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Campaign Crawlers
Cautious, Clever, and Stumbling
Romney, Cain, and Perry play to type this week — though the real star was a clown named Touré.
The leading candidates in the GOP race conformed to expectations this week. The cautious and moderate Mitt Romney lived up to his image by initially exempting himself from the debate in Ohio over public employee unions. Asked where he stood on an Ohio ballot initiative that will decide the fate of Governor John Kasich’s law restraining these unions, Romney declined to answer on Tuesday.
“I am not speaking about the particular ballot issues,” Romney told CNN. “Those are up to the people of Ohio. But I certainly support the efforts of the governor to rein in the scale of government. I am not terribly familiar with the two ballot initiatives. But I am certainly supportive of the Republican Party’s efforts here.”
Seeing him as forked-tongue flip-flopper, conservatives lit into Romney for his temporizing, and several media outlets noted that his suddenly prim respect for states’ rights hadn’t stopped him from taking a stand on ballot initiatives elsewhere. The backlash worked. By Wednesday his initial hesitation had given way to “110 percent” support for Kasich’s law.
Herman Cain lived up to his image as cleverly defiant and unconventional by releasing a web ad that some interpreted as a middle finger to the nanny state. The ad features his cigarette-smoking chief of staff, Mark Block, offering a testimonial to the candidate that is punctuated with puffed smoke at the camera and a lingering final shot of Herman Cain with a memorably mischievous grin. A perplexed and vaguely disapproving media didn’t know what to make of the ad but sensed it was effective. Block testified that Cain is running a campaign “nobody has ever seen” before and the ad proves it. But it also shows that the nanny state has so succeeded that moments of public smoking have become singular, much chattered about events.
Cain has all the right people reeling. An elite unable to see its own absurdities declares him “dumb” and “ridiculous.” A cocky third-rate pundit who insists that people call him by the single name “Touré” pronounced in Time that Cain is a “clown” and the “Black Sarah Palin.” It hasn’t yet occurred to “Touré” that his only expertise on buffoonery comes from his own single-name pretension.
This fraud’s column is an indication of what passes as high qualifications for seriousness in elite circles. “Touré” writes that Cain is a dunce because he fails to see that racism is as omnipresent as “the weather.” Yet “Touré,” departing from his analogy, also holds that “modern racism is subtle and hidden.” Apparently it is not as obvious as, say, a Time column casting an accomplished black man as a “clown.”
And then there is this gem from the deep mind of “Touré”: “For my book Who’s Afraid of Post-Blackness?, I asked about 100 people, What’s the most racist thing that’s ever happened to you? More than a third of them said the answer is unknowable. It’s something that they weren’t aware of happening but that materially changed their lives. There was no confrontation, no ugly words, just power exerting itself in a smooth, efficient, prejudiced way to maintain the vast inequalities of this country.”
So the proof for racism is at once “unknowable” and certain? Cain would call “Touré” “brainwashed.”
Rick Perry lived up to his image as a stumbling candidate this week by entertaining stale “birther” questions at a time when he should have been exclusively focused upon the release of his flat tax plan. Wags have noted that Perry’s recent appointment of Joe Allbaugh, the former FEMA chief under George W. Bush, to head up his campaign underscores its status as a disaster zone.
Perry’s flat tax plan had to compete with headlines about his idle answer to John Harwood on CNBC that Obama’s birth certificate is a “good issue to keep alive…. It’s fun to poke [Obama] a little bit and say, ‘Hey, let’s see your grades and your birth certificate.’ I don’t have a clue about where the president—and what this birth certificate says.”
It almost looked like Perry didn’t know that Obama had released his long-form birth certificate. In any case, given the perilousness of his campaign, one wouldn’t think this the best time for Perry to join boon companion Donald Trump in frat-boy joshing of Obama over an exhausted issue.
Perry did come up with at least one noteworthy prop this week, a tax form in the size of a post card. But even here he seems a bit late, as a few pundits observed that in the digital-only days to come cards won’t go in the post.
About the Author
George Neumayr, a contributing editor to The American Spectator, is co-author, with Phyllis Schlafly, of the new book, No Higher Power: Obama’s War on Religious Freedom.
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Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 10.27.11 @ 6:32AM
Obama's birth certificate may be real but there are still questions about it.
However, no one has explained yet how Obama got a Social Security number from Connecticut even though he had never been there before the number was issued.
As far as politicians being proficient, that's not a requirement.
All a politician need do is convince the public they have something to offer.
Most don't, but that's a different story.
littlejackyinwi| 10.27.11 @ 8:45AM
IT'SRONPAULORRUIN! ITSRONPAULORRUIN!
Clint| 10.27.11 @ 9:17AM
Dr.Ron Paul Signed The SBA Pro-Life Pledge, littlejackyinwi.
Did Your Mancrush ?
Hmmmmm, Poseur Punk Poster ?
http://www.sba-list.org/2012pledge
Jack in Wi| 10.27.11 @ 5:25PM
Ron Paul is the best exponent of the Catholic doctrines of Subsidiarity, Just War Theory and pro-life policy to ever run for office. Yet he is a Protestant. Mr. Neumayr continues his campaign to find someone else. Now it is the incoherent blowhard Herman Cain. His 999 plan would be a tremendous burden on the poor and elderly. It would be a tremendous windfall for the rich. 85% of the population would pay more taxes. He is equally incoherent on abortion and he loves people like Alan Greenspan and Henry Kissinger for his advisors. The Fed is pumping the economy. Obama is going to run as a peace candidate again and the Republican elites want to run another campaign on endless war for Israel and endless bailouts of the rich. It is Ron Paul or ruin.
M.McC| 10.27.11 @ 7:58PM
Ruin it is then.
Negro X| 10.27.11 @ 9:56AM
Alan Brooks=Toure'
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.27.11 @ 6:42AM
George...and everyone else....please read american thinker article this morning.
http://www.americanthinker.com.....omney.html
M.McC| 10.27.11 @ 12:23PM
Read it. Not impressed. Perry's foot, Perry's mouth, Perry's fault. Like if we don't say it, Demos won't either? Dream on.
Keith| 10.27.11 @ 7:40PM
Perry and the other non-Romney's should immediately get up to Ohio and fight for State Issue 2. Any true reformer that wants to demonstrate his credentials in reducing the size of government will have to take on the public unions. Romney failed. Perry could galvinize his support for reform and would give him good cover for not attending the next upcoming debates. "While y'all are talking, I'm fighting for Ohio, and I'm fighting for America", etc.
Clint| 10.27.11 @ 1:37PM
Follow Romney's Bain Trail.
" American Pad and Paper was an Indiana-based office products company. Bain bought the company in 1992, and seven years later, when Romney left Bain, American Pad had seen two US plants shutter, lost 385 jobs, and was hobbled by $392 million in debt."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Michael Tomlinson| 10.27.11 @ 7:02AM
Romney was being Romney.
I think Cain supporters should be happy that he didn't have to change his position on abortion, gun control, homosexual marriage, freeing terrorists from GITMO, assassinating American born jihadists or his Alice Rivlin and Nancy Pelosi inspired tax increase 9-9-9/9-0-9. That may be a first for Herman. Of course, he still has time to repudiate, deny or flip-flop on his "pro-smoking" ad. Rather than tell us he supported smoking as chairman of the National Restuarant Association why doesn't he tell us why he did NOTHING to stop the hiring of illegal aliens in the food service industry (thanks to Cain still a giant magnet for illegals around the country)?
As for Perry he was sticking his middle finger up to those who make an issue of his poor grades at Texas A & M (both left and right wing blowhards), but give Obama a pass on every issue.
The good news he's released a flat tax plan that comes right out of the Kemp-Reagan conservative movement of tax cutting and not creating new revenue streams for the Federal gov't (Cain and even Romney is now talking about flattening taxes rates). His plan to limit spening to 18% of GDP is exactly what conservatives in Congress are championing and he wants to do what conservatives have demanded for years -- block grant Medicaid to the states.
Just a reminder to all those "brilliant" so-called conservative pundits or bulls**t artists who think the primary season is over and want to tell Republican voters what to think and do. This is the Rasmussen poll from late October 2007: Rudy Giuliani 24%, Fred Thompson 19%, Mitt Romney 16%, John McCain 12% (the eventual nominee), Mike Huckabee 8% . Time to give them the finger too.
Vern Crisler | 10.27.11 @ 8:34AM
George wrote an excellent article, Michael and you have to ruin it with Cain-bashing. Okay, back at you: Perry is boring, sounds dumb, and reminds everyone too much of George Bush.
Get off the Perry bandwagon and become a Cainanite Michael; it'll do you good.
JimH| 10.27.11 @ 10:53AM
I like Hermaniacs better.
Al Adab| 10.27.11 @ 11:46AM
The use of the word cautious in the title explains exactly what is wrong with the GOP. We have a desperate need for boldness and courage and we find the GOP stuck inb its same old rut of accomodation and establishmentarianism. Where are the men of vision and courage who have the ideas to rebuild this nation? Where indeed are the leaders of "The home of the brave."?
Michael Tomlinson| 10.27.11 @ 1:12PM
Unlike Cain (who is worse than Romney for flip flops) or Cainites I have principles that I think are important and worth standing by and I'm not easily impressed by marketing. I'm pro-life, oppose homosexual marriage, support the 2d Amendment, believe killing Muslim terrorists is a good thing, don't believe we should negotiate with terrorists, believe in state's rights and oppose vehemently Cain's Democrat inspired tax increase. Herman Cain has taken both sides on all the above issues (aside from his tax increase). If I was going to support a liberal I'd support Obama, because he has more experience than Herman Cain.
While the Canites may turn a blind eye to his incredibly liberal and obtuse statements the Democrats will beat this GOP version of Joe Biden into the dirt.
Romney is better than Cain who if our candidate has all the hallmarks of the worst Tea Party candidates of 2008 and portends a disaster for our Party in a year we should crush the Democrats.
Vern Crisler | 10.27.11 @ 6:35PM
I believe you have greatly misstated Herman Cain's positions. The man is not a polished politician and can, like most of us, get caught with gotcha questions. Cain has supported conservative ideas and values for many years now. He is not a flip-flopper like Romney. The Cainanite rebellion is here! ;-)
Sean| 10.27.11 @ 8:43AM
Perry is thinking about skipping the rest of the debates after one more. They are just too much for him. I say good riddance to Al Gores chairman. It get one more big government La Raza type out of the race.
RCV| 10.27.11 @ 6:35PM
Still not going to help Paul's anemic GOP poll numbers.
MM| 10.27.11 @ 8:45AM
Take a moment and imagine Perry in a debate with Obama.
littlejackyinwi| 10.27.11 @ 8:58AM
Good Lord! My English Mastiff could out debate Perry, and is a helluva lot prettier! Even if he does slobber all over himself.
W| 10.27.11 @ 9:01AM
Not that it is important, but I heard that Bachman campaigned for Jimmy Carter. Can anyone confirm this. Perry did campaign for Gore, I think he has Algore as his speech/debate coach. Hillary campaigned for Goldwater, so people do change.
Mike Hawk| 10.27.11 @ 9:53AM
I voted for Carter.... to my eternal regret... I have not voted for a Democrat since. What does that tell you?? I guess I should never be 'electable' as a Republican in some people's small minds.
W| 10.27.11 @ 10:10AM
Mike,
Have you repented? Go and sin no more.
Mike Hawk| 10.27.11 @ 11:40AM
Over and over. I work for the local Republican commitee at the polling places and vote in all primaries and regular elections. I have been a registered Republican since The Great Renoldus Magnus or Ronald Reagan showed me the light. Proud to be an American, no apologies.
Michael Tomlinson| 10.27.11 @ 1:46PM
Georgian Carter posed as a conservative so you shouldn't be too hard on yourself. There always opportunists and con artists running for President.
Mike Hawk| 10.27.11 @ 10:34PM
I have a Carter/ Mondull campaign flyer. Anyone who read the verbage without the references to Democrats would think it was a Republican, even Reagan. The big theme on it is "Change", sound familiar??
Al Adab| 10.27.11 @ 12:47PM
W:
It certainly is possible as Carter claimed the mantel of evangelical Chrisitanity during his campaign. Sometimes we need to look back to see ahead and realize just how far we have fallen.
W| 10.27.11 @ 1:17PM
Al Adab,
I forgot that Jimmy posed as an evangelical Christian. We have all voted for politicians that disappoint us. These weekly debates are good in that the candidates get questioned by friendly and unfriendly reporters. But they all have their two minute canned reply to every question, still the debates are good.
Al Adab| 10.27.11 @ 2:15PM
Many voters W claim they "vote for the man, not the party" and indeed many try to do so. Sadly what they fail to realize is that, like it or not, they get the Party with the man. It has come to this, "Choose you this day whom you will follow..." for we must take sides in the debate of Pottage vs. Liberty. Sadly again, in that issue there is little room for compromise.
Michael Tomlinson| 10.27.11 @ 1:16PM
Ronald Reagan campaigned for FDR and Harry Truman. Herman Cain was a Democrat and has taken Democrat positions on numerous issues during this primary, but for Cainites that's irrelevant so long as he keeps spooning them his snake oil.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 4:51PM
The only one who's trying to sell us snake oil around here is you.
Blatant liar.
chuck| 10.27.11 @ 9:11PM
I'm with you Margie, these damned liars can burn in hell! For those of us who have been listening to Herman Cain for several years, we know the truth. Cain is as conservative as they come. Pro-life, pro-business,pro-smaller government, for a much simpler tax code, against gay marriage.
Cain's got them scared, so out comes the filthy lies!
victor| 10.28.11 @ 1:16PM
Michael Tomlinson:
"Ronald Reagan campaigned for FDR and Harry Truman."
Nice way to revise or take history out of context.
Reagan was a liberal democrat like his father.
"And he bragged that his father, Jack, a salesman, had, back long ago when Reagan was a kid, once spent the night in his car rather than sleep in a hotel that wouldn't take Jews. Ronald Reagan as a young man was a Roosevelt supporter, he was all for FDR, and when he took part in his first presidential campaign he made speeches for Harry Truman in 1948."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/ch.....eagan.html
Reagan did not become a conservative until much later, more than 10 years later when he endorsed Goldwater who in his dotage was a libertarian and quite senile.
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 11:54AM
Cain said awhile ago that his tax plan was just an interim plan until a flat tax amendment could get passed. It's never been meant as permanent, he just doesn't feel the need to repeat himself because he treats people like they are actually intelligent and not little children like the "elite" establishment buffoons.
He never changed his position on abortion. Cain's only real problem is that he is a bit naive. Someone asks him a question he answers it honestly and then they twist it to their own meaning. Cain is pro-life, but he is also small government, which means he doesn't believe in passing unnecessary laws. What a woman chooses in regards to an unborn child is between her and her maker. His view actually puts him in line with most of the country. He wasn't flip-flopping, he sounded the way he did because he was trying to explain his viewpoint to an idiot that thinks he's a genius.
As for GITMO, people either weren't listening, or they only saw the soundbites that the MSM has been replaying. Yes, he said he would release every prisoner in GITMO to get one American soldier back alive, not a dang thing wrong with that. But he also said he would speak to his advisors to find out what the possible ramifications of that release would be (that's the part that constantly gets ignored or cut out of the soundbites).
I have no doubts that Perry is a good man, but he suffers from a problem that I've noticed a lot of evangelicals suffer from (especially politicians), he wants to be liked by everybody. Texas has been doing very well, but just about everything that's been done there is because of the laws their state congress has passed, Perry was just smart enough to sign them into law instead of vetoing good ideas. He's a good executive politician, so long as the right people are in Congress, because he will go along with what the majority wants in order to be liked. Bush suffered from the same problem, that's why he ended up spending so much dang money, but he had a bunch of RINOs and then a full Democrat congress pushing him to do things he shouldn't have done in order to try and be liked by them.
Michael Tomlinson| 10.27.11 @ 1:27PM
Poor Herman Cain those journalists just ask their quesitons too fast for him to figure out how he should answer to keep fooln' folks. They're so fast he actually tells them what he actually believes then has to backtrack, because he realizes he's agreeing with Democrats.
If anyone wants to be liked by everyone it's Herman Cain who has taken both sides on issue after issue and on only backtracks when conservatives hammer him and/or demand answers for his liberal positions. If not for conservatives holding his feet to the fire Herman Cain would do nothing.
Obama or Democrats will not be so kind as Cainites or George Neumayr's fawning excues for Cain's faux pas' or inexperience. It may appeal to some, but all that will save us if Cain is our nominee is the failures of Barack Obama then conservatives and independents will hold their noses and vote for the Obama of 2012.
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 1:55PM
Sorry, wrong again. He doesn't backtrack, he keeps getting forced to explain to people, "This is what I believe, but I don't think government has a right to tell you what you should think." It's not his fault nobody seems to be able to understand the concept of limited government after all the years of public indoctri... sorry, education.
Michael Tomlinson| 10.27.11 @ 2:20PM
So Cain is so bad at articulating conservative principles that after making statements that could easily come from a liberal Democrat he has to re-explain himself so he can be understood. But he says he mispoke about GITMO, the journalists aked their questions on abortion too fast (he's repudiated your pro-choice type defense) and he just denies he said what he said about gun control and the killing Anwar Awalaki. So who should we believe Cain's apologists or Cain? If it's confusing on the small scale of the GOP primaries think how bad it's going to be in a national election to explain Cain.
Like Obama's voters in 2008 Cainites hear whatever they want to hear from their "messiah" then make excuses for his off the wall comments even if what they say in defense of him conflicts with his own explanation. How can anyone argue with that "logic?"
If Cain's at the helm of the GOOD SHIP GOP in 2012 it looks like 4 more for Obama.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 3:23PM
Cain isn't bad at articulating. We understand him perfectly. You're blatantly trashing him, but the Country Class doesn't listen to liars like you.
You & Ken will be voting for Perry.
LOL. We'll see who else does.
Country Class Women for Herman Cain 2012.
Oh, and p.s. Rick Perry doesn't have a chance.
Vern Crisler | 10.27.11 @ 6:40PM
Mega dittos Margie!
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.27.11 @ 7:11AM
Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbWz1RYGE3Q
Frank Drackman| 10.27.11 @ 7:21AM
Just gonna poke some fun...
But whats the Over/Under on Rick Perry's IQ?
I'm guessing mid 90's, which coincidentally was the best era of American History to date, that I've experienced personally anyway.
Gas was $1.50/gallon, you could drive a brand new Z28 off the lot for under $15K, and Mayim Bialik was a spunky teenager instead of the dour PhD 30-something she's turned out to be...
Where was I, oh yeah, Rick Perry's IQ.
I mean, maybe I'm a little slow, but didn't the Peas-Eater-in-Chief release his Birth Certificate a few months ago? And whats with the Tax Return on a Post Card? Yeah right, put down my name, SSN, address, how much money I make, and put it in a BOX, for some government employee to pick up??
And I know Perry flew C-130's, it was the Post-Vietnam 70's, Jeffy Dahmer was able to enlist back then for cryin out loud...
And I'm not sayin brains are everythang. Ned Beatty was probably smarter than those North Georgia Rednecks who saddam-ized him in "Deliverance", lotta good it did him.
But if your gonna be Slow, ya gotta be mean.
Perry let Mitt pat him on the shoulder like he was some illegal-alien waiter who got a complicated order right.
Seriously, if he can't handle a Milk-Toast like Romney hows he gonna stand up to Amanidejad? Putin, or someone really Evil and Despicable, Hairy Reed?
No way Romney does that to Herb Cain, he'd pull back a bloody stump...
Frank
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.27.11 @ 7:31AM
Well, one can't be good at everything:
http://www.breitbart.tv/presid.....teve-king/
Timothy L. Pennell| 10.27.11 @ 7:40AM
Look. He's not a Conservative. He's a Lifelong BEUROCRAT. (I think he could even get away with wearing a Powdered Wig. Don't you?)
He can try and convince everyone of his Conservative Credentials, but it seems like, every time he gets the chance, he runs away from the things that make one a Conservative.
Like Obama: He may have an American Birth Certificate, but he's not one of us.
Romney has NO CORE Principles. "But, he's great at Debates." He should be. He's been in about a hundred of them. All he does is Run For Office. All he does is SEEK POWER. Has he ever had a job? I mean, a REAL JOB. One that gets your hands dirty, and bloody.
Of course not.
He's flipped and he's flopped, and he's said everything that he thinks you wanna hear. But, when asked to take a stand, as he was in Ohio? He ducks, and he dodges, and he LIES through his teeth. When I look at him, and I listen to him, I'm reminded of what JESUS said: "What does it profit a man, to gain the whole world, and lose your immortal Soul?"
If he has to LIE? Then I don't want him.
Romneycare, Global Warming, and now this, in Ohio.
3 Strikes. He's out.
Sean| 10.27.11 @ 8:46AM
My 12 year old daughter identified Romney as fake the first time she saw him in a debate. I guess it is pretty obvious.
DTOM| 10.27.11 @ 8:51AM
Mitt's kind of a finger-in-the-air kinda guy. Right now, in campaign season, it's the wetted index finger trying to figure which way the wind is blowing. Pathetic thing is, he keeps holding it up in front of the TV letting the MSM blow baloney wind on it, completely bamboozling him.
After the election, it'll be the middle finger, extended in the direction of the conservatives and Tea Party. We won't be bamboozled, just really, really peeved. And left with four more years of stagnation-how long do you think you are actually going to live? 100 years? 200 years?
I'm just saying - Romney is ObamaLite.
Mike Hawk| 10.27.11 @ 11:44AM
McCain lite maybe, but he is nowhere near close to Obama's Socialism/ Marxist agenda.
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 11:56AM
Maybe not, but he was the inspiration for some of it.
DTOM| 10.27.11 @ 12:16PM
Mike;
Problem is the moderates. They always take the position midway between the two "extreme camps." So in Romney vs. Obama, ORomneyCare becomes acceptable, as does cap and trade, as does global warming, as does unpoliced borders, as does class warfare, as does OWS, as does Solyndra money laundering, as does the rest. These positions will then be described by the MSM as "common sense." We'll never get clear of them. Think the economy's bad now? Imagine what companies are going to do if Obama's at the wheel for another four years! This will be the new Great Depression!
That is the real problem with Romney (and actually McCain.) The middle stays far to the left where Obama has dragged it.
When Reagan was President, the entire country and the political discourse all moved right because Reagan got way to the right of the liberals, inevitably moving the non-thinking moderates to the right. Most didn't even notice where they had gotten to!
Really, this is how it works. It's why the political "wisdom" of Romney's electability is so false.
The conservative, low energy voters will stay home. The right half of the middle will vote for Romney, but the left half of the middle will vote for Obama, his base will vote for him, and his lunatic supporters (OWS, ACORN, SEIU, unions, Black Panthers will be out lying, stealing, and cheating for Obama. It's 2008 all over again.
'nuff said.
axbucxdu| 10.29.11 @ 10:15AM
DTOM| 10.27.11 @ 12:16PM wrote:
"...When Reagan was President, the entire country and the political discourse all moved right because Reagan got way to the right of the liberals, inevitably moving the non-thinking moderates to the right. Most didn't even notice where they had gotten to!
Really, this is how it works. It's why the political "wisdom" of Romney's electability is so false."
This calculus also applies to Republicans in general. The fact that they constantly use it betrays the cowardice that is the root of our problem. I can't fault Romney for what comes naturally to him.
Michael Tomlinson| 10.27.11 @ 1:37PM
Cain the defender of abortion choice, homosexual marriage, who supports state and local gun control, negotiating with terrorists and wanting to create a new revenue sources for the Federal gov't is a conservative?
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 1:56PM
Step away from the indoctrination machine and listen for a change.
Michael Tomlinson| 10.27.11 @ 2:22PM
Please actually listen to your own candidate and quit drinking the Kool-Aid.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 3:25PM
Michael, please supply quotes to support your position, since you're speaking for Herman Cain.
Okay bubs?
martin j smith| 10.27.11 @ 7:44AM
I think I know what Cain stands for but I do not Know what Romney stands for. What does he stand for other than wanting to be the nominee( I do not even know that he actually wants to win or if he does win if he intends to roll back or eliminate the worst or all of Obama's policies. )Similar for Rick Perry.
here are some "tests" that guide my determination of a genuine candidate: How up front about their positions are they ?
How willingly are they to tell the truth abou Obama's political agenda and his polcies--and who Obama really is ?
How willingly are they to criticize Obama ?
So far Cain is closest on all three. but
The one area all fail to deal with and is absolutely necessary is foreign policy and national security.
I awaite their responses.
Mimi| 10.27.11 @ 8:51AM
Martin....As far as calling out Obama...There is only one who does it brilliantly, also with a plan on day one to undo his crap...That's NEWT ! he speaks naturally without notes or using anothers words...because they are his own thoughts and words. Smart enough to stay out of the fights on the debate stage...He is starting to look, more and more like the President we need NOW!
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 11:58AM
Unfortunately he has a track record of screwing the pooch shortly he gets into power, because at his heart he wants people to like him. He's a fantastic ideaman though, would be good in an advisory position, just not as POTUS.
Michael Tomlinson| 10.27.11 @ 1:40PM
Mimi:
Newt is by far the smartest guy at the debates, but his personal baggage and support for global warming and friendliness with Hillary will make him an even bigger target for the Cainites wrath to defend their faux messiah.
boogalie| 10.27.11 @ 7:57AM
Romney will be my 'hold my nose' vote if nominated. This country needs a conservative, not a Romney. While I suspect he is a good man, I do not see him as having the frame of mind to take on big government...he is in fact a product of it and believes in it. A classical establishment type. I will pray for the true conservative who will win this election, and take on the responsibility of delivering this Nation from its' current troubled circumstance. Whoever that conservative is, will have to endure a terrible onslaught from the Marxists (formerly Democratic) leadership.
DTOM| 10.27.11 @ 8:55AM
The word you are looking for to describe Romney is "statist." He has gotten 'his' - he's not going to allow any big changes because then maybe you'll get some of his.
Just like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Lil' Barack Obama, Dick Turban, George Soros, et al.
JayDick| 10.27.11 @ 10:29AM
"This country needs a conservative, not a Romney." Of course we do; that is not the issue. What we need more is someone other than Obama; any of the Republicans running would be much better than Obama. So, first, who can beat Obama? I used to think Romney was the best in this regard, but I'm thinking that less and less recently. I love Cain, but his political inexperience might hurt him in campaigning and maybe even in governing. Perry could probably govern OK, but I don't think he can beat Obama.
As much as I dislike some of his previous liberal positions (global warming comes to mind quickly), I'm thinking Newt may have the best chance, all things considered. He certainly would tie Obama in knots in a debate. Mostly, he is a very effective campaigner, although he has had a few notable gaffs in his career. He would probably be OK if he develops a good script and sticks to it. We have a little time yet, but time is passing by.
If I could designate the next president, I would pick someone as conservative as I am (very), but such a person could not win an election against Obama.
DTOM| 10.27.11 @ 11:27AM
JD;
Newt is a heavyweight Republican version of John Edwards. In a general election, they'll wring his neck with his personal life, his 1990's Contract for America (which was wonderful, but most have no concept of what it was.) and his hopelessly smarmy demeanor. He knows so much, but just can't reduce it to practice in his own life. They'll tar and feather him with the hypocrite brew.
And Newt is streaky, sometimes he's on and sometimes he's off. And when he's off, it's just grim.
And then there's the stuff he did with the Democrats. How could he have posed with Nancy Pelosi? I can see the Democrat ads against him starting with footage of him with her and then the voice over asking why did Newt flipflop on the wonderful Mrs. Pelosi. Ugghhh!
And, in the final analysis, could we really stand a President Newt?
I'm just saying.
Mimi| 10.27.11 @ 3:10PM
We gotta get past the Old Newt....time and events have passed....Who is the BEST , right -now to undo the Socialism, misconduct, incompetence and poor handling of the economy....so much linen to hang on the line....Newt has an air of authority, will make a good LEADER to help this country get to where we were. I see a pristine well run nation under Newt, decisive, .....just maybe we can all relax, go back to living our lives and get over this dreadful danger the nation is in now.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 3:27PM
What made you withdraw your support for Herman Cain, Mimi?
The lying punks who write and post here?
JayDick| 10.27.11 @ 4:15PM
I think the third 9 of Cain's 999 plan (the sales tax) will be easy to demagogue and his political inexperience would hinder his efforts to refute this and other attacks. I think he's a fine man and would make a good President or even VP, but he would first have to get elected.
DTOM| 10.27.11 @ 6:45PM
He sure looked politically incompetent getting every single MSM outlet to cover his latest campaign ad for free by committing the hopelessly unforgivable crime of showing a guy taking a drag on a cigarette. When everyone knows the biggest smoker out there is Barry.
Then Cain starts advertising on Rush Limbaugh's show, placing himself in the race against Obama. Getting Rush to do his obligatory new sponsor introduction and de facto, pro forma endorsement!
That is some of the canniest, savviest political campaign advertising I can remember. FTR, I started watching campaign ads when Goldwater was running.
I wonder what Herman Cain will be like once he gets the hang of this politics thing.
Trash him as you wish, but you are not watching what he's doing, you're listening to others tell you what they think he's doing.
I do so hope to get to watch lil' Barry and Herman Cain debate, 1 ONTOP of 1. Barry'll start smoking again, nomatter what Moochelle threatens him with....
Clint| 10.27.11 @ 8:04AM
The following candidates refused to sign the pledge: Herman Cain, Gov. Jon Huntsman, Gov. Gary Johnson, Gov. Mitt Romney.
http://www.sba-list.org/2012pledge
Mimi| 10.27.11 @ 8:57AM
They need to sign it...better late than never! We may need those MANY white-haired ladies in the church basements, sending out brochures and making get out the vote calls! If your Pro-Life sign the list..why would you choose to not to?
Michael Tomlinson| 10.27.11 @ 1:50PM
Cain might sign it since he's a worse panderer than Romney, but it will be just another flip-flop for The Great Pretender.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 3:28PM
"They need to sign it."
Ya mean like how the Catholic Papists here demand for me to say I believe in Jesus THEIR way else I can't be a Christian?
Puleeze.
JayDick| 10.27.11 @ 10:37AM
The more I see these pledges, the less I like them, even when I agree with their intent, which I do in this case. Most, including this one, are very absolutist in their wording; they leave no room for exceptions at all. I can see the possibility of legislation that, while likely effective overall in reducing abortions, violates some specific provision of the pledge. Would the President be violating the pledge if he signs the legislation? Would he get lots of pressure to veto it?
I think it's better for the candidate to state a position and for voters to evaluate the statement based on previous actions more than words.
Jeamar37| 10.27.11 @ 11:57AM
JayDick: Your point is excellent about signing pledges. I attended a "Tea Party" type meeting of a Republic organization, which shall remain nameless, and was serious about becoming a member until I was handed their pledge. When one signs a pledge, one gives up open-minded thinking and acknowledges that circumstances may never change. Being a "knee jerk" conservative makes no more sense than being a "knee jerk" conservative.
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 12:02PM
The best cure for abortion is not more laws, it is proper support (mostly from family and locals, not government) and proper morals. We need to start teaching kids proper respect for their elders again, along with a sense of RESPONSIBILITY instead of entitlement. As entitlements increase, personal responsibility goes down, and that is the real problem.
Michael Tomlinson| 10.27.11 @ 1:55PM
But which Herman Cain should we believe since he has no record? All the other candidates have records that we can check, but we only have Cain's word for it and that's not something I'd take to the bank considering how many times he changes his position even on his vaunted 9-9-9 or is it 9-0-9? Wait for some more criticism and Cain will change that again too.
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 2:05PM
You mean the fact he changed his plan to remove the sales tax portion because he admitted it had no chance to pass but still stuck with the fact that tax reform needs to happen? He's a businessman, if he knows something won't work because it doesn't work on paper, or there is so much opposition that it won't be implemented no matter what he does, he adjusts. If he had completely dropped the plan and pulled out something totally different then you could call it a change of position. As it is, it is an adjustment based on new data. Have you ever even been in a management position? If you have then you should understand how working with your people to get the best result is necessary no matter what your plans say on paper.
Cain has a record, it is a record of working his way up from the bottom, turning several companies around, and a direct request by the Navy to stay where he was because he could do more good working on their ballistics technology. A record of having working at REAL jobs rather than living in politics like the rest of the candidates.
No candidate is perfect, Cain sure isn't, but he has done real work, has a sense of humor, and understands how business actually works. All of which will do more for us than any other the others that only work on theory.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 3:29PM
Yeah, you're man Perry, the supposed conservative who's for tuition for illegals?
We not only have his word for it, we have his record.
Bob Grant| 10.27.11 @ 8:19AM
This weak field is making an obama re-election more likely which is unacceptable.
Haley Barbour, I'm begging you to reconsider.
Mimi| 10.27.11 @ 9:00AM
And SARAH, and Paul Ryan....Any OTHERS ?
Bob Grant| 10.27.11 @ 9:07AM
We need someone who can convince people that they can get things done on day one of their presidency.
Palin - No organization skills whatsoever. I cannot imagine Todd Palin lobbying capitol hill.
Ryan - Sure. Why not.
Barbour - knows what buttons to push in Washington, and more importantly, where they are. He could advance the conservative agenda more effectively than anyone else I can think of.
JayDick| 10.27.11 @ 10:40AM
I don't want someone who can get things done; I want someone who can get things undone, including most of what Obama has done. What good is getting something done if it's the wrong thing?
Michael Tomlinson| 10.27.11 @ 2:03PM
The Canites and Tea Party would never accept a Haley Barbour he actually has experience, was a lobbyist and has a successful record as do the only conservatives in this primary contest -- Perry, Gingrich, Santorum and Bachmann. Sadly, that's considered a weaknesses by Cainites and some in the Tea Party. So it is possible we'll be stuck with a moderate (Romney) or a cypher faux conservative (Cain).
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 3:34PM
"The Canites and Tea Party would never accept a Haley Barbour."
Ya know Michael, you've really turned into an all out liar without a shred of conscience.
You're up there with the Paul-bots. Perhaps you should be one of them.
Oh wait! You've already yucked it up here with the resident scumbag, Clint agreeing on his positions.
You have no clue, kiddo. I'm a conservative through and through and have always sung the praises of Haley Barbour.
You speaking for conservatives, be they TEA Party or otherwise is like Clint trying to speak for conservatives.
Spare us.
DTOM| 10.27.11 @ 9:06AM
It's too late to get on primary ballots in a lot of states. You'd better hope for a brokered convention.
It is how we got Lincoln, isn't it?
It is NOT how we got Dole, McCain.
Yikes.
PS
I hold Messrs. Dole and McCain in highest esteem and regard for their absolutely magnificent contributions to our military during their youth.
However, Bob Dole never had the star power for national office. And McCain is entirely blind to the Democrats' incessant lying and cheating and stealing.
Remember?
No death panels,
Really, we'll seal the border
No, you can keep your doctor
Republicans are going to cut your (insert government entitlement here) off completely
We are going to cut spending
They want you hanging from trees
Some Tea Party type called the Congressman "N****r!
I never had sex with that woman
Ad infinitum!
They are the LIAR party.
Al Adab| 10.27.11 @ 12:53PM
DTOM:
You make a very good salient point. Brokered conventions and legislative election of Senators produced the giants of our history. Who emerges from the primary system but those who sound best and make fewer campaign mistakes. That makes for wattered down nominees and policies. We have suffered long under such.
In addition many states have primaries that help select the GOP candidate and yet are unable to deliver electoral votes to the GOP. Why should they, states like CA, NJ, NY, IL and so, on have such power in naming the candidate?
Casey Abell| 10.27.11 @ 8:59AM
Neumayr is completely in the tank for Cain, of course, but I have to wonder why. That "cleverly defiant and unconventional" Herm is making the pro-choice case better than NOW could. You'd think Neumayr would holler and holler some more.
And he would be yelping if Romney (or really anybody else) said that stuff. But Neumayr sleeps with Cain's picture under his pillow. Beloved Herm can do no wrong.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 3:35PM
Liar. Cain is not pro-choice.
People like you have no conscience. Don't you understand that God throws liars into Hell?
You obviously have no fear of Him, do you?
Louis Jenkins| 10.27.11 @ 9:02AM
Maybe Cain is poking some fun at himself by showing his campaign head smoking, afterall, the Democrats are doing the same, only they're not allowing it on camera. It's not about habits, it is about the direction this country is headed. As the MLB bundit said, we'll stop chewing when you guys stop playing around with the interns, stop having illicit sex, etc. That's were the truth is at.
Stammon| 10.27.11 @ 9:13AM
"It almost looked like Perry didn't know that Obama had released his long-form birth certificate. "
I'm done. Educate yourself. Go to the whitehouse.gov site and look up that long form birth certificate. It has both grey scale and matrix imaging. That means it is a crude, simple, obvious forgery. Why is this so hard to learn? Why do people insist on their stupidity? Why would anyone take you as a pundit seriously if you can't even look at the evidence?
chuck| 10.27.11 @ 9:14AM
Romney is the guy that makes 3/4 of Republicans want someone else. He has remained at a consistent level of support, never really breaking out. He won't undo enough of the big government to really even make a dent. The only ones who would, and really have a shot of winning the nomination are Cain and Gingrich
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 12:07PM
The only reason Romney is still around is the same reason McCain got the nomination last time, people are split between the various flavors of conservative talking points. Unless the bottom rung types like Perry, Bachmann, Newt, Santorum, and Ron Paul (get ready for the flames) drop out we are going to get stuck with Romney. If they all cared for the country as much as they say they do they would realize this, back up Cain's candidacy, and broker for various appointed positions once he's elected. Heck, put Ron Paul in charge of the Fed, then he can audit the dang thing and be in a position to fix it.
chuck| 10.27.11 @ 9:27PM
I really believe the only ones with a chance are Cain, Romney, and Gingrich.
Perry has imploded, looking like an idiot at the debates. His only use at this time is to get Romney down in the dirt with him to drag Romney down. No one is taking him seriously anymore.
Bachmann had a shot, but she is becoming more annoying everyday. Just tired of hearing about her 8000 kids. Don't care!
Santorum is a loser, tries too damned hard to be the good Catholic, Mr. In-Your-Face- With-My-Holier-Than-Thou attitude. Just gag me!
Paul......like his domestic ideas, but comes off as a slightly unbalanced Perot-type, and his followers are just nutcases(Jack, Clint,Sean).
These guys need to leave, and allow conservative support to rally around either Cain or Gingrich, and Romney would disappear.
hardcard| 10.27.11 @ 9:18AM
Thanks ,toure you twit, you have convinced me; I just domated $$$$ to Mr. Cain's campaign.
hardcard| 10.27.11 @ 9:19AM
sorry for typo "donated"
Clint| 10.27.11 @ 9:28AM
Romney Will Be Exposed For TARP, RomneyCare, Bain Capital's Hand In Job Cutting & Bankruptcies, Crony Capital Campaign Money, Not Signing The SBA Pro-Life Pledge, Just For Starters.
This RINO-CINO Is The Frontman For Wall Street & The Ruling Elite, Not Main Street & We, The Country Class.
Follow Romney's Campaign Money Trail.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 12:09PM
Actually only about 23% of the country is Pro-Life to the point they believe laws should be passed making abortion illegal, so signing that is actually a negative from an electability standpoint. As for Cain's hand in job cutting it cracks me up how people respond to company downsizing like it's such a horrible horrible thing. Nobody looks at it from a logical standpoint. Would you rather have 20,000 people out of work, or 200,000? Take your pick, there is no option C.
Clint| 10.27.11 @ 12:15PM
Romney's Trail.
" Dade International, was a medical testing company acquired by Bain and Goldman Sachs in 1994. As Bloomberg reported, Bain cut 1,600 jobs from the company between 1996 and 1999 after merging the company with several others as part of Bain's restructuring plan. In 1999, Bain and Goldman sold Dade International, as it was later called, for a profit, but left the company buried in debt. It filed for bankruptcy in 2002."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Clint| 10.27.11 @ 12:19PM
W. James Antle, III
"Finally, when a pro-life Republican loses an election it is often asserted that they lost because they were pro-life. When a pro-life Republican wins an election, there abortion position is often ignored. Polls have shown that single-issue abortion voters tend to be pro-life, sometimes by as much as a 2-1 margin, and that the pro-life position is frequently a net vote-getter even for losing Republican candidates. This has been especially true in presidential elections since at least 1988."
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 1:31PM
Most voters however are not single-issue voters. Very rarely will you see people vote on ONLY the abortion/pro-life issue. I'll say it again, most Americans are pro-life, they just don't believe in making it illegal because it is a matter of choice, freedom to make your own decisions.
There is a difference between those people and the hardcore Pro-choice crowds the MSM loves to tout around on camera.
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 1:28PM
Misunderstanding on my part in response to Bain, I thought it was a mistype of Cain. That part I'll agree with you on, Romney's type are a totally different manner from how Cain handled Godfather's. Buying out companys for a quick profit and then entirely shutting them down after spending them into oblivion is very sleasy. It's actually a time worn Mob tactic, you know, the same guys that have been seated in Chicago forever... Now who do we know that's from Chicago?
Melvin| 10.27.11 @ 9:47AM
Tax reform wasn't even on the political plate, until Herman made it so. Then all the candidates realized that they were about to be kicked off the bus, so they concocted half-baked tax reform plans.
What has made voters gravitate towards Herman Cain is Herman's consistency. His message has been basically the same since he declared his candidacy.
Herman has made verbal mistakes along the way, but these alleged mistakes are at least showing Herman is at least willing to take on difficult subjects that candidates don't like talking about.
It is easy for Romney to just stand there and avoid the subject entirely, but the leader of the free world sometimes can opt out from answering the hard question(s) that need to be asked.
It is kind of difficult for Romney to stand behind the Presidential podium, and not say anything, with that silly grin he has on his face.
Mitt Romney is a political Cyborg. He was created by the RNC. He speaks regurgitated sound bites, that have been screened and approved by the RNC that are specifically designed not to arouse any controversy whatsoever.
Romney is the guy to always take the safe route, don't raise any Cain, (no pun indented)
Clint| 10.27.11 @ 9:52AM
" RON PAUL'S “PLAN TO RESTORE AMERICA”
TAXES:
Lowers the corporate tax rate to 15%, making
America competitive in the global market. Allows
American companies to repatriate capital without
additional taxation, spurring trillions in new
investment. Extends all Bush tax cuts. Abolishes the
Death Tax. Ends taxes on personal savings, allowing
families to build a nest egg."
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the.....e-america/
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.27.11 @ 10:09AM
Folks,
I have just finished a STUNNING series of novels by Joel C Rosenberg.
The series begins with “The Last Jihad”.
This series is a must read for everyone here. One of the reviewers of my own book wrote me and suggested I read these books…..THANK YOU MICHAEL!
Day after day we here quibble along failing to realize we are in the midst of a world war…and we spend our time quibbling about “guardasil”.
God bless him, Mr. Cain doesn’t know…OR CARE TO LEARN…about the war we are in with the Islamists. That is scary.
Mitt Romney doesn’t even know which end of a rifle to shoot… or why.
Further, I am becoming convinced that our current President is a closet Islamist.
Only Newt and Rick Perry are cognizant of the threat.
Please, people, get your heads out of your nether parts darkness.
Frank Drackman| 10.27.11 @ 10:27AM
"Rosenberg"?, wow my mom's maiden name, which was tough to live with in the 50's...
And Herb Cain's from Atlanta, lives about 2 miles from me BTW.
And anyone who's caught a cab at Atlanta-Hartsfield-Zimbabwe-Jackson(Maynard, not Stonewall) Airport knows whats goin on bout' the Rag-Heads..
I mean if it wasn't for the C0ca-Cola signs everywhere you'd think you were in Terror-Anne...
Frank
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.27.11 @ 11:39AM
Frank,
Get yourself a pee-bucket before you start this series. Especially if you read books on your computer as I do. You will cuss every time you have to get up to pee or pour a scotch. (smile)
My book is a chill producer as well. If you buy it direct off my website, you even get a money back guarantee if not blown away. (right at 17,000 copies direct and no refund requests yet.)
www.americaalonesaidno.com
Bydand76| 10.27.11 @ 12:42PM
Ken, My old friend.
What truly matter is what kind of Scotch is being poured....
Single Malt from the Ilse of Skye at least 30 yrs. old .? (Tallisker) Oh yeah...
Did you ever read The Last Centurion by John Ringo?
Al Adab| 10.27.11 @ 12:55PM
Bydand76:
Laguvulin or Laphroigh. But I'd not turn down a Tallisker.
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.27.11 @ 3:01PM
Bydand,
I personally enjoy plain ole Johny Walker Red (straght).
I have bored everybody here talking about "The Last Centurion".
One of the most important boks I have ever read.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 4:10PM
Genuine Christians don't drink alcohol, never mind the hard stuff.
Nor do they claim they have a "deal with God to use His Name in vain", as you have said.
Reprobate.
RCV| 10.27.11 @ 5:49PM
Genuine Christians don't drink wine? Since when?
Al Adab| 10.27.11 @ 6:36PM
Margie, RCV:
Many adherents of Christian demoninations eschew alcohol due to their belief that its use harms the body (the temple of our Lord) and could be a stumbling block to others. My particular denomination is one such. Nonetheless the matter is not one of salvation but of personal restraint and choice. Ergo, while permitted (after all Christ made several hundred gallons at the Cana wedding) it is something to be avoided and certainly in excess. Paul is correct however, in his advice to Timothy, that a little wine for stomach upset is wise and good medical practice, as Luke no doubt advised him.
Vern Crisler | 10.27.11 @ 6:44PM
Wine was the common drink in New Testament times. Only baptist types have a problem with wine. Catholics, Anglicans (but I repeat myself), Lutherans, and Presbyterians all drink for effect, not for taste. Wine makes glad the heart of both God and man. Hmmm, where did I hear that from?
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 12:55AM
"Only Baptist types have a problem with wine."
Sorry, but that is not true. Serious Christians don't drink. Period.
Read the Scriptures I posted. How do you reconcile?
His Words, not mine.
Are you led astray by strong drink like the Scripture says?
Ken is a perfect example of it. He makes a mockery of God, but God is not mocked, as you well know.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 6:49PM
LOL. Yeah, ye olde upset tummy thingy.
"Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler; and whoever is led astray by it is not wise." Prov. 20:1.
"And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery; but be filled with the Spirit, addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with all your heart.." Eph. 5:18 & 19.
It isn't a matter of the tummy nor is it a matter of denominationalism. It's a matter of the Will of God.
That's to those who are actually interested in His Will.
And perhaps if Ken the slanderer wasn't given to strong drink, he wouldn't allow himself to slander Christians.. thus proving once again, that the Word of God proves true, and that wickedness does not deliver them that are given to it. Prov. 30:5, Ecc. *;*.
Vern Crisler | 10.27.11 @ 6:52PM
The Bible makes a distinction between use and abuse, Margie. It's legalism to condemn all drinking.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 12:51AM
Read the Scripture. Obey Him or not.
RCV| 10.27.11 @ 8:58PM
Thanks Al Adab. I happen not to drink alcohol for the same health reasons, but not religiously based ones. Just find it hard to understand a Christian based reason for eschewing moderate wine consumption, which is something that the apostles undoubtedly did, although there were few healthful alternatives available then, to be sure.
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 12:12PM
I'm sure Cain is aware of it, but given how people respond to specific attacks against a religion it's better not to discuss that until after he is elected and can prove it to people.
W| 10.27.11 @ 3:38PM
Along the same type of fiction, I prefer Daniel Silva who has a series about a Mossad agent, Gabriel Allon. Excellent writing and there is much current history about terrorrism and Israel.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 3:42PM
Nobody's arguing about Guardasil, Ken the liar. And why does it not surprise me that you jump on the trash Herman Cain bandwagon with the lowest of the low here?
He doesn't know or care to learn? About the war we're in with Islam? Just where do you get that from?
Oh, that's right: you just make them up. You're a lying destroyer, a man who destroys people he "doesn't like."
If anyone needs to get his head out of the nether regions of darkness, it's YOU.
W| 10.27.11 @ 10:14AM
Cain's cigarette ad is great. It is being played everywhere, everyone is talking about it, and it is driving the nanny-state Dems crazy. What more could you ask for.
And while Obama sneaks a cigarette, Cain is up front, by his campaign manager, saying smoke if you want.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 3:43PM
For once I can agree with you.
Vern Crisler | 10.27.11 @ 6:46PM
No, he is not saying "smoke if you want." He's saying "be free." That's what Dems don't like.
martin j smith| 10.27.11 @ 10:58AM
The "Weak Field" lament is very destructive and not helpful . What is needed is a continued vetting process to get a clear idea of where the various candidates stand and let voters decide.
Now to those that are not happy with the field either get some o one else to run or, help one of
the candidates and stop your whining.
I am looking for a candidate who a) Wants to win b) Wants to be a Pro American president and c) is
willing to take on Obama's policies head ond0 Wants to roll back as much as possible Obama's destructive policies.
Now for those who are not happy with the field: What kind of president are you looking for ?
JayDick| 10.27.11 @ 11:04AM
Good points, but don't forget job 1: beat Obama.
M.McC| 10.27.11 @ 12:50PM
A weak field IS lamentable. Weak candidates lose. Ideology does not equal electability.
martin j smith| 10.27.11 @ 11:14AM
My last point covers that in case there is the slightest question: Absolutely want to win.
I have to wonder if the " weak field " people want our side to win ? They do trouble me a lot.
M.McC| 10.27.11 @ 1:31PM
Huh? Weak candidates lose. Good ideology + weak campaigning = losing. Disagree?
OregonBuzz| 10.27.11 @ 11:36AM
The only negative I can find in Herman Cain is that he is a definite threat to the status quo inside the beltway. The career politicians don't like to have their boat rocked regardless of their political affiliation. Let's hope that the electorate, both living and dead have their heads on straight this time. Romney = Democrat Lite, Perry = ?
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 12:16PM
Exactly, just look how they reacted to all the new blood in the 2010 election.
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.27.11 @ 11:44AM
Oregon,
Perry will do precisely what he says he will do. Uh, he has already done it here in Texas for ten years. Please, go to youtube and listen to him. He is dead serious.
Clint| 10.27.11 @ 11:56AM
Follow Romney's Crony Capitalist Campaign Money Trail.
Goldman Sachs $354,700
Credit Suisse Group $195,250
Morgan Stanley $185,800
HIG Capital $176,500
Barclays $155,250
Kirkland & Ellis $129,100
Bank of America $121,500
PricewaterhouseCoopers $118,250
EMC Corp $117,300
JPMorgan Chase & Co $109,750
The Villages $92,500
Vivint Inc $88,250
Sullivan & Cromwell $78,750
Marriott International $75,837
Bain Capital $69,500
UBS AG $64,250
Wells Fargo $63,000
Blackstone Group $57,300
Citigroup Inc $56,550
KKR & Co $53,900
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Kingofthenet| 10.27.11 @ 12:16PM
Washington (CNN) -- Call me crazy, but I recall when presidential candidates ran for the high office because they had things to say. The notion went like this: I have ideas that I think will be great for the country. I have thought about them, vetted them with experts, spoken about them throughout my career. I have refined them, many times, even changed some. And now I think it's time to run for the presidency, armed with those ideas to present to the nation.
So imagine my surprise when, at a recent debate, Texas Gov. Rick Perry turned to Mitt Romney and, with a certain amount of disdain, sniffed, "Mitt has had six years to be working on a plan. I have been in this for about eight weeks." In other words, I'll get back to you.
Read more at:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/27/.....?hpt=hp_c1
Except for Ron Paul ALL the Republican Candidates will say and do whatever to become President, they have NO core beliefs. Say what you want about Obama but he has basic ideas of where he wants to take the Country, he wanted Universal healthcare, went for it and got it(A bit bastardized, but that's politics) even at great political pain for himself, do you see any of these jokers fighting for anything?
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 12:19PM
You mean like Herman Cain, who has been saying the same things since he started running? Who also doesn't have a cult of people following him that scream with rage and throw insults and slurs at anyone who doesn't fall in line behind Ron Paul, who while saying he wants to reduce government is more than happy to stuff in the pork on a bill...
Clint| 10.27.11 @ 12:28PM
Herman Cain Was For TARP, before He was Against TARP.
Herman Cain was Against Auditing The FED, before He was For Auditing The FED.
Herman Cain was Against Muslims In His Cabinet, before He was For Muslims In His Cabinet.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.27.11 @ 12:40PM
lint,
can't you get it?
Ron Paul has never accomplished ANYTHING!
I'm sorry. He just hasn't.
Sean| 10.27.11 @ 1:15PM
And when he is President he will have the power to accomplish a lot. We vote for people based on their ideas. Ron Paul is the most fiscally conservative person running. Look at his proposed budget of balancing in 3 years based on spending cuts. Your guy Perry balances it in 2020. 2020? Imagine what Paul can do with just the veto.
Clint| 10.27.11 @ 1:23PM
Do Your Homework.
Dr.Ron Paul Is The Chairman of The House Financial Services, Monetary Sub-Committee,leading The Auditing of The FED.
Dr.Ron Paul has written successful legislation to prevent eminent domain seizure of a church in New York, and a bill transferring ownership of the Lake Texana dam project from the federal government to Texas. By amending other legislation, he has helped prohibit funding for national identification numbers, funding for federal teacher certification, International Criminal Court jurisdiction over the U.S. military, American participation with any U.N. global tax, and surveillance of peaceful First Amendment activities by citizens.
How Many Federal Bills Has Your Boy Co-Sponsored Or Passed .
And, You're Boy Supported Al Gore & Hillarry Clinton's HillaryCare.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.,
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 2:08PM
He was also supposedly against pork spending while shovelling last minute pork into bills, but that's fiscal responsibility for you.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 5:04PM
In other words, he was supposedly against porkulous spending before he was for it, or.....?
Foxfier | 10.31.11 @ 4:44PM
Oh, he's against it the whole time, won't vote for it, but he'll happily put in goodies for his areas before he makes a symbolic vote against hit. One of those tricks that only works if very, very few folks use it.
Harrison | 10.27.11 @ 12:35PM
Mitt knows he's the establishment's choice... he's just waiting everybody out.
Tired Taxpayer PRM| 10.27.11 @ 12:39PM
I just have to ask. Who do you think pays “Corporate” taxes? Do the corporations pay them? Or do the corporations raise their prices to cover the taxes?
We all need to realize that corporations do NOT pay taxes, their customers do. You and I are their customers. Corporate taxes are just a hidden way to tax the people who buy stuff. Why, that’s just like a consumption tax, isn’t it?
Now, where have I heard something about a consumption tax????
Stop playing the progressive, liberal, statist, socialist, communist (sorry for repeating myself) game and, as conservatives, let’s concentrate on the REAL issues. You do not get points when you advocate something that the progressives want, just a little less of it.
No corporate taxes. No income taxes. No payroll taxes. NO HIDDEN TAXES, PERIOD! If you need a tax make it a wide open, I do not need to let government in my life, consumption tax that everyone pays every time they buy something. That way when the lying, thieving politicians (yes, every single one of them) want to raise taxes they will be very visible and everyone will have some skin in the game.
Mr. Cain comes closest to this ideal, especially as he advocates for the Fair Tax. Until someone better comes along, he is my guy. It also helps that he can actually speak English and has an upbeat disposition.
Oh yes, and bring back tar and feathers!
Clint| 10.27.11 @ 12:40PM
Dr.Ron Paul Has Never Voted For An Earmark & Never Voted For An Appropriations Bill, Because The Executive Branch Is Usurping Congress's Responsibilities & Power.
Dr. Ron Paul,
" I have never voted for an earmark. I voted against all appropriation bills. So, this whole thing about earmarks is totally misunderstood.
If you cut off all the earmarks, it would be 1 percent of the budget. But, if you vote against all the earmarks, you don't cut one penny. That is what you have to listen to. We're talking about who has the responsibility, the Congress or the executive branch?
I'm saying, get it out of the hands of the executive branch. Just listen again about what I have said about the TARP funds. We needed to earmark every penny. Now we gave them $350 billion, no earmarks, and nobody knows..."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
TrueBlue| 10.27.11 @ 2:09PM
Ummm, he has pushed his own earmarks into plenty of bills...
Mike Hawk| 10.27.11 @ 3:24PM
He always puts his earmarks into a bill he knows will pass and then votes against the bill. That is called duplicitous.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 4:57PM
And hypocritical. But then, what is to be expected from a lunatic who sympathizes with terrorists?
Clint| 10.27.11 @ 5:45PM
Bullshit.
Dr.Ron Paul,
" And the second issue is, the spending decision goes to the executive branch, which is wrong. All spending decisions should be by the Congress. So I argue the case that the Congress should make these decisions, since voting against the earmarks, you know, won't do any good.
Now, as far as making the request, you're absolutely right: I vote against them all, so I've never voted for an earmark. You know, because I vote against all of them.
But to make the request, it's sort of like of you coming and asking for your Social Security check. I don't like the system, and I want to change it, but I don't deny your access to your representative.
So I think there is so much understanding about this earmark. It saves no money whatsoever. It emphasizes that you want to give the power to the executive branch and take it away from the responsibility of the Congress.
Now, if it's wasteful, that's a different story, and most of 'em are, and that's why I vote against the bill. So you can't say I voted for an earmark.
But I think I'm responsible for representing the people. To me, it's like taxing a tax credit or a tax deduction. I want to get rid of the income tax, but I'm still gonna give you all the tax credits possible, in order to get as much money as possible. So, to me, it's in that category.
Transparency is the only way we can get to the bottom of this and if you make everything earmarked it would be much better."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 5:48PM
The only Rebellion you're part of is the one against God.
Liars go to Hell.
Repent.
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.27.11 @ 12:42PM
Clint:
one word: Shrimp. HAHAHAHAHA!
(shrimp subsidies)
Clint| 10.27.11 @ 1:02PM
Duuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh !
Do Your Homework.
Dr.Ron Paul Has Never Voted For An Earmark Or An Appropriations Bill.
Dr.Ron Paul's Constituents Know That His Principled Stand Is To Never Vote For Earmarks Or Appropriations Bills,Until Congress Takes It's Usurped Responsibilities Back From The Executive Branch And Earmarks Every Single Penny Of Spending In Full View Of The Voters, Itself. He Submits Requests From His Constituents, With The Full Understanding That He Won't Vote For Them And He Won't Vote For Appropriation Bills Until Congress Earmarks Every Single Penny Of Spending Of The Taxpayers' Confiscated Money In Full View Of The Voters.
Tell Us About The " Non-Earmarked" Executive Branch Spent TARP Money That Your Boy Supported ?
You're Up .
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Mike Hawk| 10.27.11 @ 3:25PM
Rube Paul always puts his earmarks into a bill he knows will pass and then votes against the bill. That is called duplicitous.
Clint| 10.27.11 @ 5:47PM
Bullshit.
Dr.Ron Paul,
" And the second issue is, the spending decision goes to the executive branch, which is wrong. All spending decisions should be by the Congress. So I argue the case that the Congress should make these decisions, since voting against the earmarks, you know, won't do any good.
Now, as far as making the request, you're absolutely right: I vote against them all, so I've never voted for an earmark. You know, because I vote against all of them.
But to make the request, it's sort of like of you coming and asking for your Social Security check. I don't like the system, and I want to change it, but I don't deny your access to your representative.
So I think there is so much understanding about this earmark. It saves no money whatsoever. It emphasizes that you want to give the power to the executive branch and take it away from the responsibility of the Congress.
Now, if it's wasteful, that's a different story, and most of 'em are, and that's why I vote against the bill. So you can't say I voted for an earmark.
But I think I'm responsible for representing the people. To me, it's like taxing a tax credit or a tax deduction. I want to get rid of the income tax, but I'm still gonna give you all the tax credits possible, in order to get as much money as possible. So, to me, it's in that category.
Transparency is the only way we can get to the bottom of this and if you make everything earmarked it would be much better."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Mike Hawk| 10.27.11 @ 9:47PM
Bullshit to you. If it wre electricity, you'd be a powerhouse.
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.27.11 @ 2:42PM
Shrimp subsidies...........heh heh heh.
Ron Paul...shrimp subsidies guy.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 4:13PM
In state tuition for illegals.. heh heh.
Rick Perry.... illegal coddler guy.
Paul McGrath| 10.27.11 @ 4:38PM
If it's going to be Romney, we could do a lot worse. He's got a very impressive CV. Yes, he was born into privilege, but he has challenged himself all of his life. He spent two years in France as a Mormon missionary, has an incredible education, was successful in private business, and was governor of Massachusetts. Not to mention, he can think on his feet and comes across as a nice guy.
yes, Yes, YES I wish he was more reflexively conservative. The most important thing about Romney is that more than anyone, he can beat Obama. He will KILL Obama.
So many of us were so disillusioned by Bush--not to mention McCain--that we can't stand the idea of anyone running who is not a staunch conservative. I get it. Romney may not be as conservative as Reagan, but he is far more conservative than Bush or McCain. I like Gingrich, and I like Cain. But it may have to be Romney.
Margie| 10.27.11 @ 5:01PM
Conservatives (true ones) will go ahead and vote for whomever actually becomes the nominee. Even if it's Romney. It's what we do.
But the blatant lying and misrepresenting of Herman Cain and his words is despicable.
If you (meaning those who do it) aren't MAN enough to allow the best man to win on his own merits, but must slander and pervert in order to promote your own preferred candidate, it reveals EVERYTHING about YOUR character, and it ain't good.
True conservatives don't do that crapola.
Intelligent Design| 10.27.11 @ 5:38PM
Mr. Romneycare speaks with forked tongue, and the people know it. Gingrich is and looks too old. Cain has shot himself in the foot with 9-9-9. Governor Perry is the one. He has a solid track record in Texas. His agenda includes low taxes, controlled spending, predictable regulations, and curbing frivolous medical lawsuits. There is no "Perrycare" in TX. Since 2001 when he became governor, Texas has added 825,000 jobs while the nation has had a net loss of private sector jobs. Perry is right about Social Security being a Ponzi scheme, and young people know it. Perry is right that building a fence along the entire border with Mexico is crazy, but he is in favor of more boots on the ground, more use of aircraft, and fences in higher population cities such as El Paso. Perry knows that the federal government is too big, and it is crushing initiative, innovation, job creation and prosperity. Perry's flat tax package is excellent. It would significantly reduce the burden of tax compliance, and it would encourage savings and investment. Perry was a military pilot, and has a decade of relevant executive experience. I recommend his book titled FED UP! He is the best choice for president.
Vern Crisler | 10.27.11 @ 6:50PM
Not going to happen ID. Perry sounds like George Bush combined with Al Gore -- inarticulate and with some goofy ideas.
Clint| 10.27.11 @ 5:56PM
These RINO-CINO'S Are Gonna Vote For The RINO-CINO Ruling Elite Frontman, Mittens Romney.
Romney Will Be Exposed For TARP, RomneyCare, Bain Capital's Hand In Job Cutting & Bankruptcies, Crony Capital Campaign Money, Not Signing The SBA Pro-Life Pledge, Just For Starters.
This RINO-CINO Is The Frontman For Wall Street & The Ruling Elite, Not Main Street & We, The Country Class.
Follow Romney's Campaign Money Trail.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Earle Belle| 10.27.11 @ 6:44PM
“Plastic Men” Exposes Establishment Candidates:
http://www.revolutionpac.com/2.....ctober-18/
Comparing the Candidates on TARP
Let’s face it: The Cookie Monster is as good, if not better, than most journalists in highlighting this crucially important distinction between Ron Paul and Barack Obama, Herman Cain and Mitt Romney concerning TARP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....2EqhZND1_I
Earle Belle| 10.27.11 @ 6:47PM
"ObamaCare Advisers Were Also RomneyCare Advisers" Writes James Antle at The American Spectator:
“Records show that Mitt Romney aides met a dozen times with the White House to discuss health care reform, according to reports that are sure to refocus attention on the similarities between Obamacare and Romneycare. The Massachusetts health care plan Romney signed into law was an inspiration for the federal legislation, signed by Barack Obama, that the Republican frontrunner has pledged to have repealed.
It’s worth noting that at least two of the aides, Jon Gruber and John McDonough, are liberal Democrats, the latter a former aide to the late Sen. Ted Kennedy. The Romney campaign has downplayed Gruber’s role in crafting the Massachusetts law. These facts could either be mitigating, since it isn’t shocking a Kennedy aide would visit the Obama White House, or one could argue it revealed the liberal imprimatur on the Massachusetts health care law even during the design phase.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....KfuS6gfxPY
Cain/Paul on the Housing Bubble
Of course, there is no comparison. One was absolutely right and the other was absolutely wrong. No one is perfect and this is especially true of politicians, but to be so horribly wrong–even arrogantly wrong–about one of the worst financial crises in American history does not bode well for anyone seeking this nation’s highest office.
Would anyone hire Cain as an economic adviser? If not, then why would anyone hire him for president?
http://a4cgr.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/01-785/
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.27.11 @ 7:13PM
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.21.11 @ 9:32PM
Margies' "denomination" seems to be the "denomination of Margie"...population, One; Margie.
I'm comfortable with that. I grew up Baptist. We believe in the "priesthood of each individual Christian".
Margie has taken up her cross.
I certainly respect that.
On the other hand, I can tease her if I want to.
She is a majority of one. (smile)
She dismisses millions of committed Christians, living and passed on as "papists".
Darn, she must be lonely being a "church" of one.
...all the rest of you sinners like me.....Go In Peace, heh, and don't elect Margie.
As President, she might consign all of you to hell.
And hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
I promised Margie I would not tell her husband what she told me...so I shall not.
I will simply say again..."Sorry Margie, I'm spoke for and happily married."
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 12:45AM
There he goes again, folks. The lying scumbag is still at it. I spoke to a lawyer already concerning your slander. He said I should take it up in Texas. Maybe I will.
"On the other hand, I can tease her if I want to."
Tease me? Is that what you call it? Is that what you call blatant lying and slandering?
You are despicable. I told you to post the supposed email that says I asked you to Marry me, but you haven't done it.
You're a perverted and sick man.
You lied and told me you were experienced in "counseling Christians". Then I asked if you would and you said yes. Then YOU told ME not to let Vic see our emails. But I always did. He knows everything that I think.. good and bad.
In fact, every single time we spoke on the phone it was never without him on the other line.
Then, you say I'm a church of one, just like the despicable Catholics who harass and lie about me here. The lowest of the low. That's because in truth, you have sold your soul to Satan. You were a Christian and now you've become a reprobate.. Catholic? NO one who is actually born of God can do that, and you know it. No one who has been enlightened by the Spirit of God can join themselves to a harlot. Unless you were never saved to begin with.
You're preaching another gospel.
What a disgrace. You are knowledgeable in the Scriptures, you know full well that Christians who stand on the Word of God are in fellowship with one another the world over and that is has nothing to do with denominations. You're a flaming hypocrite.
Jesus says that if anyone preaches a different gospel let them be accursed. HIS WORDS, not mine.
You also know full well that Catholicism isn't Christianity.
And I don't dismiss anyone, it is God Who dismisses anyone who refuses to obey His Words.
You reject His Words, therefore like the lying Papists you reject Christ, and slander those of us who stand on His Word~ and against false doctrine.
You know this truth full well.
It is because you are unfaithful to Jesus yourself, otherwise how could you do what you are doing to me here?
You have said that you have a "deal" with God to use His Name in vain! You're a maniac, and in direct rebellion.
You drink, curse, lie, steal and cheat as well as slander Bible believing Christians.
You will receive your reward.
Now, POST THE SUPPOSED E MAIL YOU LIAR!
"He who does not love Me does not keep My Words; and the Word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's Who sent Me." Jn. 14:24.
"A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who utters lies will perish." Prov. 19:9.
I don't consign anyone to Hell. They do it to themselves accordingly, anyone who rejects His Words, as He says, and as you are already doing because you're practicing falsehood:
"But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life." Rev. 21:27.
Do you REALLY believe that you are going to get away with what you are doing by God?
You have also spoken to Catholicism in your e mails to me, you know it is a false Religion. I'm going to post your e mail to prove what a hypocrite you are:
Dec. 21, 2009:
From: Ken
Margie you shouldn't feel bad, nor should you "fight with him or any rock-ribbed Catholic".
The poor souls think that sprinkling watwr on them and some priest mumbling ...makes them Christians...because Roman priests have been doing that for two thousand years
Their church wants their "laymen" to keep their ignorant noses out of their Bibles, (and yes Virginia, There is a Catholic version...heh...).
Kingofthenet| 10.28.11 @ 1:05AM
When is the Wedding? Are you going to wear white?
Jim| 10.28.11 @ 4:18PM
We gots to rent us a trailer parrkk
Dannyboy| 10.28.11 @ 4:55PM
BIGOT ALERT!!!!!BIGOT ALERT!!!!!
Margie in bad mood.
Margie spreading her phony "Christian" message.
Margie no Christian.
Margie doesn't believe Jesus is God. Doesn't believe in divinity of Jesus.
Donald Ward| 10.27.11 @ 7:35PM
"...perplexed and vaguely disapproving media..." would be far more accurately described as "...hysterical media...". As Rush Limbaugh noted, they act as if one could receive second hand smoke via television!
Keith| 10.27.11 @ 7:39PM
Perry and the other non-Romney's should immediately get up to Ohio and fight for State Issue 2. Any true reformer that wants to demonstrate his credentials in reducing the size of government will have to take on the public unions. Romney failed. Perry could galvinize his support for reform and would give him good cover for not attending the next upcoming debates. "While y'all are talking, I'm fighting for Ohio, and I'm fighting for America", etc.
PCP Smoker| 10.27.11 @ 8:35PM
i loved Cain's middle finger to the establishment, right and left. Perry's flat tax is a great move. Romney is McLame all over again.
POST American| 10.27.11 @ 10:38PM
---------------------BOTTOM LINE---------------------
ROME--knee will make you SUB--Mitt
PAIR---HE is a Glow-ball-ist ---TTT-Rick
and
--------------------HER-MAN CAIN---------------------
--------------------------is the------------------------------
----------------Rockefeller/ ROT-child----------------
---------------------------FED------------------------------
GusBlake| 10.28.11 @ 8:45PM
Cain would get my vote if he exposed the anti-white PC State Religion by saying:
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
spinrabbit| 10.28.11 @ 9:27PM
Everywhere I go people keep saying anti-racism is just a codeword for anti-White. What's up?
El Cid| 10.28.11 @ 11:20PM
I’m sure the massive non-White immigration and forced assimilation into every White nation and only White nations is just a big accident. Maybe it is a statistical anomaly, huh? It just so happened that 92% of the worlds population must be flooded and assimilated into where 8% of the worlds population lives and ONLY into where the 8% of the worlds population lives. And it was just a big coincidence that the 8% is White.
This is the common ground on which anti-Whites say we must all agree:
What is non-White belongs to non-Whites. What is White also belongs to non-Whites.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.
axbucxdu| 10.29.11 @ 10:38AM
Our maximum leader is running for re-election. Coincidently, Bernank is now targeting NGDP. I see some evidence that the banks are finally releasing the Fed's funny money into the private economy. I suspect the favorable trends will be unmistakable by Nov 2012. The GOP establishment response is Romney. Buckle up for Hope and Change II. Face it, when it comes to politics, the Rethug establishment is just not enthusiastic about it. They got planes to catch and bills to pay...