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Cain in the Cross-Hairs

By on 10.21.11 @ 6:10AM

The new GOP front-runner suffers “slings and arrows.”

LAS VEGAS, Nevada — Steve Foley has been supporting Herman Cain’s presidential campaign since before it was even officially a campaign. In January, Foley launched the independent website Citizens4Cain.com to report news about the campaign and rally grassroots conservative activists behind Cain. Having been through a few campaigns as an online media consultant to Republican candidates, Foley is not surprised to see Cain coming under increasingly hostile scrutiny this week.

“This is what they’re going to do,” Foley said. “When you’re the front-runner now — Cain’s a front-runner — bull’s-eye right on your back, everybody’s going to come with all their slings and arrows. That’s just the way it’s gonna be.”

Now at or near the top of the Republican presidential field according to recent polls, Cain came under fire from his GOP rivals during Tuesday’s debate here, and he has been loudly criticized for two gaffes he made this week. First, in an interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, Cain botched his answer to a hypothetical question about releasing terrorism suspects in order to obtain the release of a U.S. soldier held hostage. The question referenced the situation faced by Israel in the Galid Shalit case and began: “Imagine if you were President — we’re almost out of time …” This was a classic “gotcha” interview technique, both in terms of its timing at the end of the interview and the hypothetical nature of the “what if” question. But front-runners have to be able to deal with “gotcha” questions, and the Atlanta businessman did not deal well with it, subsequently explaining that he “misspoke.”

The second gaffe came Wednesday in an interview with Piers Morgan, also of CNN. The transcript shows the host repeatedly interrupting Cain’s answers after Morgan asked him about his views on abortion. Cain began by restating the “no exceptions” opposition that won him applause two weeks ago at the Values Voter Summit in Washington, but Morgan then asked him to respond to a hypothetical question: “If one of your female children, grandchildren was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?” Cain’s answer sounded very much like a pro-choice argument, except that the question wasn’t whether he would want abortion to be legal, but rather whether he’d want his child or grandchild actually to raise the baby born under such circumstances. (The possibility of adoption was not discussed.) And, as Cain said in his initial response to Morgan’s question, “You’re mixing two things here.” Nevertheless, Cain’s answer provided an opportunity for his opponents to criticize him as insufficiently committed to the pro-life cause, with former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum sending out a fund-raising e-mail that said: “In fact, Herman Cain’s pro-choice position is similar to those held by John Kerry, Barack Obama and many others on the liberal left.”

“Gotcha” interviews and criticism from rivals are nothing unusual in politics, but Cain’s gaffes provided the political press with an opportunity to pronounce doom on the Tea Party-backed candidate who has surged ahead in recent weeks. “Cain’s Troubles Multiply” was the headline on a Washington Post item Thursday by Jennifer Rubin, while a column by Wayne Woodlief in the Boston Herald carried the headline: “Cain Already Deflating.” Cain’s campaign has been dealing with doomsayers since Day One, however. And having worked for months to help their candidate reach contender status — with contributions pouring in at a pace that may exceed $5 million for the month of October — insiders bristle at the media’s attempts to write off Cain so early.

“The people who are picking out these supposed gaffes are simply validating Herman Cain as the presumptive front-runner,” said one source close to the campaign. “These are the same people who were against Herman Cain before he ever announced.”

Nor do Cain’s supporters — who have backed him since the days when the long-shot candidate was regarded by pundits as “Herman Who?” — think he’ll be damaged by his occasional gaffes. “If this stuff was going to hurt him, it would have hurt him six, seven, eight months ago,” said Chris Barron, a Republican strategist best known as chairman of the gay conservative group GOProud. “If Herman Cain was your typical well-polished politician — if it was Mitt Romney who was on [TV] and had said something [controversial] — this type of gaffe would absolutely cost him. But the fact is, one of the reasons why people love Herman Cain is because he’s not a polished politician, because he’s not talking off of talking points given to him by highly paid consultants. At the end of the day, people like Herman Cain because they have a feeling for him, a sense of what he actually believes…. It’s that plain-spokenness that has attracted people to Cain.”

Similar views were expressed by another early Cain fan, Erick Telford of the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity. Telford got to know Cain while working for Americans for Prosperity, which has worked closely with the Tea Party movement, organizing events where Cain became a crowd favorite as a speaker at rallies during the past two years. “It makes me feel good about politics every time I hear him speak,” said Telford. “I can’t think of anyone in the [Republican presidential race] with a more compelling personal story.”

Cain’s recent gaffes — and the media reaction to them — have not dimmed Telford’s enthusiasm. “The average American knows sometimes you say things or things get taken out of context, and I think they’re not going to hold that against him. He’s in the cross-hairs now because he’s rapidly emerging as the front-runner or in the top tier, and people are going to start gunning for him.… Most people are generally pretty forgiving about that kind of stuff and this may be a big story for a couple of days, but it will fade into the background in time.”

Those who support Cain, as an outsider challenging the status quo, see strength where many pundits see a weakness. “He’s not going to give you a polished politician’s answer,” says Foley, the Citizens for Cain founder.  “If you want that, vote for Romney — a finger-in-the-wind guy who has had every position on every issue since the beginning of time.” Cain’s supporters are looking for something different, Foley says. “He’s appealing to a populist, grassroots, Tea Party liberty movement kind of folk — us, the real people.… He’s not trying to get Washington, D.C. to love him. He’s not trying to get all the media to love him.… Herman Cain is for real.”

Pundits who seem over-eager to write Herman Cain’s political obituary might pause to consider that he has so far defied all such predictions.

About the Author

Robert Stacy McCain is co-author (with Lynn Vincent) of Donkey Cons: Sex, Crime, and Corruption in the Democratic Party (Nelson Current). He blogs at The Other McCain.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (324) |

Darin| 10.21.11 @ 6:26AM

Of all those running for the GOP nomination, Cain strikes me as the most "real." I can relate to him where I can't relate to any of the others. Reagan had that sort of ability, as did Clinton. And that's got to scare the daylights out of the GOP establishment who want one of "their" folks to get the nomination (Perry or Romney). And Cain has the Democrats terrified because he has a compelling story and reveals the Democratic party for the racists they really are. Is Cain the right person for the job of President? Possibly. As a businessman, he should know how to recognize his shortcomings and surround himself with trusted experts in those areas (Reagan did this very well). He does need to become more knowledgable in areas like foreign policy even if he's not an expert - the President has to go broad in knowledge base and deep in leadership.

Bernard Webb| 10.21.11 @ 7:59AM

Oh no! Now we liberals are "terrified" of the foolish clown Cain. This comes after years of being told we were "terrified" of airheaded ditz $arah Palin. Why do right-wingers always mistake withering scorn and contempt for crippling fear? Is fear all you can understand or relate to? Weird.

Teaghan| 10.21.11 @ 8:28AM

Bernard, I will admit to being afraid because of the marxist you obviously helped to put in our White House.
Barring massive election fraud by ACORN, Black Panthers and the like, obama will be shown the door next year. At that time, my fear will subside just a tad.

Jack in Wi.| 10.21.11 @ 8:49AM

A race between Herman Cain and Barack Obama would be like a race between tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber. They are both for the TARP, The Federal Reserve, endless war for Israel and oil. Obama loves abortion. Herman Cain is just another countryclub Republican on the issue. Both are likeable windbags who haven't got a clue to what the countries real problems are. Isn't one affirmative action President enough for you people. Both know nothing of history, economics, foreign policy, history, or geography. Both are clay in the the hands of their handlers and advisors. they each have never had an original thought in their lives.

Now Herman is popular on this webbsite. He has been destroyed in the last 2 debates by his Republican opponents. What do you think the Democrats will do with his 999 plan? It is a huge tax inrease on working people and the retired but huge tax cut for the rich.

chuck| 10.21.11 @ 9:07AM

If he has been "destroyed", why is everybody talking about him? He is the topic on many radio talk shows, is appearing on a lot of political shows, and seems to be the candidate generating the most interest.
BTW, where is DOCTOR Paul? Don't remember this much attention for him.
Must be tough for you.
So sorry.

Sean| 10.21.11 @ 9:15AM

You will never see the MSM prop up Paul like Cain because Paul is the real deal. Paul actually would cut government big time.

DTOM| 10.21.11 @ 12:55PM

Oh, Sean!

Ron Paul's been in Congress for over twenty years. What's he accomplished other than generating a lot of quotes about how everything is wrong and he'd do it all different.

Also say Dr. Paul does end the Fed. Who is going to control the money supply? The Treasury and Tim Geithner, which report to the President? Congress, lately run by Nancy (Isn't that ol' Constitution funny?) Pelosi and Harry (The real problem is government employees losing their jobs-the private sector is just fine.) Reid?

Do you really want the Democrats to ever have a direct hand on the value of our currency? Isn't Bernacke scarey enough for you all?

Hmmm?

Nunya| 10.21.11 @ 2:14PM

DTOM, we did fine as a country without the Fed for well over 100 years. Since their founding 98 years ago, the Fed has accomplished utterly destroying the value of our currency to the point it's worth about 3 cents of what it was in 1913. Besides all that, the Fed is a private bank, it is not a part of the US government, and its profits go to its owners. The Treasury says we need X number of dollars, and the Fed then prints it and LOANS it to the Treasury WITH INTEREST. It's a good gig if you can get it--start with paper and ink, and make BILLIONS. Yes. End the Fed

Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson WERE RIGHT!!

Nunya| 10.21.11 @ 2:15PM

PS, I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, but he does have a few good ideas.

Rockerbabe| 10.21.11 @ 11:47PM

Name one that will not wreck this country and take us back to the 19th century.

Clint| 10.22.11 @ 10:20AM

Auditing The FED.

You're Up.

Boar Hunter| 10.21.11 @ 4:14PM

Ron Paul is a nut. He is of such diminutive size in both stature and intellect that someone has to prop him up.

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 4:37PM

Uh Oh !
The Chairman Of The Bores Doesn't Like Former Air Force Officer, Doctor & Congressman Dr.Ron Paul,Who Can Ride Bore Into The Dust In A Bike Race.

Gee, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz !

victor| 10.23.11 @ 2:04AM

Sean (Penn)?:
"Paul is the real deal. Paul actually would cut government big time."

Dist. Rep. 2010 2009 Years Life
14th D PAUL 96.00 91.00 20 83.51

What's Ronaldus Minimus done in his 20 years and why has he got only a 83.51% lifetime conservative rating, eh?

Seems to me that he's all hat and no cattle.

Clint| 10.23.11 @ 10:32AM

Seems you're all Israel & No America, Victor

victor| 10.23.11 @ 2:52PM

Clintie-Pooh:
"Seems you're all Israel...."

Me: "What's Ronaldus Minimus done in his 20 years and why has he got only a 83.51% lifetime conservative rating, eh?"

Can't answer the question. little Paulie?

Jack in Wi.| 10.21.11 @ 9:15AM

He has beeen puffed by the controlled media to divide the consevative vote. Dopes like you are the people that would fall for such a trick. Herman's 999 plan is an elites wet dream, a national sales tax to fund all their wars and bailouts. Herman is way above his pay grade and is imploding as we speak. He is endlessly making excuses, for his many flip flopps, and trying to justify his 999 plan.

PAUL BOT 1| 10.21.11 @ 9:31AM

PAUL IS GREAT. EVERYBODY HATES HIM BUT THE SMART PEOPLE. WHOEVER IS LEADING IS A RINO CINO BAD GUY WHO WE MUST CHOP AT UNTIL SOMEBODY ELSE IS LEADING AND THEN WE WILL CHOP AT HIM.

PAUL BOT 2| 10.21.11 @ 9:33AM

I AGREE BUT HAVE YOU EVER NOTICED THAT PAUL IS NEVER ANYTHING BUT THIRD. WE WILL CALL THAT TOP TIER AND A MORAL VICTORY.

PAUL BOT 3| 10.21.11 @ 9:34AM

ABSOLUTELY. WE ARE THE SMART PEOPLE.

Jack in Wi.| 10.21.11 @ 9:47AM

You have just proved my point paulBot. The stupid sheep are for Herman Cain. Last month they were for Rick Perry. The month before that for Sarah Palin. Next month they will be for Newt Gingrich. Only someone stupid would be for such a farce as 999. It is a huge tax on the poor, elderly and working people but huge tax cut for the rich. What do you think the Democrats will do with that?

Doctor Right| 10.21.11 @ 10:52AM

Maybe the sheep are for Ron Paul.

Maybe the die-hards who will fall on their proverbial swords and write-in Ron Paul or their dentist or their brother-in-law, instead of helping to defeat Obama are the REAL sheep?

Maybe...those who pledge faith, allegiance, fidelity, and fealty to a politician in the naive belief that HE is somehow "different", with magical powers that will not only solve the nation's problems, but theirs', too...are the REAL sheep..?

Wadda' ya' think, Jack from Nuremberg?

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 11:40AM

"RON PAUL “PLAN TO RESTORE AMERICA”

SPENDING:
Cuts $1 trillion in spending during the first year
of Ron Paul’s presidency, eliminating five cabinet
departments (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and
Education), abolishing the Transportation Security
Administration and returning responsibility for security
to private property owners, abolishing corporate
subsidies, stopping foreign aid, ending foreign wars, and
returning most other spending to 2006 levels."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 12:34PM

"However, there are also problems with the plan. For one, it would take a Republican super-majority in Congress to even consider doing any of the things in Paul's plan, and many Republicans don't agree with its prescriptions. Many of Paul's proposed eliminations are sacred cows in Washington, not least of which is the Department of Education. Yes, it duplicates state power and resources and is unconstitutional to boot, but even Ronald Reagan couldn't eliminate it, and it was less than a year old when he took office.

Primarily, however, Paul offers little explanation for the thinking behind his proposals, much less how to achieve them. The entire plan consists of a one-page executive summary, followed by charts and graphs of one sort and another. Paul must make a better case for why the departments of Commerce and Interior, for example, are unconstitutional or unnecessary, and how he would implement an orderly transition. The would-be commander-in-chief also needs to explain how zeroing out line items for wars or foreign aid serves our national security interest."

From The Patriot Post today.

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 2:10PM

Rush Limbaugh on Ron Paul’s ‘Restore America’ Plan: ‘A Good Idea’


Rush Limbaugh, host of “The Rush Limbaugh Show,” likes Texas Congressman and GOP candidate Ron Paul’s “Restore America” plan.

“Ron Paul has a good idea,” Limbaugh said on his radio show in response to a caller’s question about how Republicans should deal with the debt crisis if they take back the White House in the 2012 presidential race.'

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 2:20PM

And Rush continued:
"Genuine, big spending cuts are the only thing that is going to bring us back into some semblance of ideas. Now, these aren't really Ron Paul's ideas. They are ours. On this program, I myself, El Rushbo, have suggested freezing spending at 2008 levels. In fact, I said, you guys, the Democrats, you're running around and you're talking about how great the Clinton years were, let's freeze, let's take spending back to that level. You said Clinton produced a boom, let's go back to those years. Let's do that. So Paul is stealing that idea. Cutting the EPA, we've long been an advocate of this, eliminating whole bureaucracies. But nobody on our side's ever really seriously proposed it, and Ron Paul's going to."

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 2:39PM

Duuuuuuuh !

Dr.Ron Paul has been talking about spending cuts since he was first elected to congress in 1976.

Rush was A Radio Music Disc Jockey then.

Do Your Homework.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 2:58PM

Ha ha ha!!
Your response is duly noted.

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 3:06PM

We Note:
"Rush Limbaugh on Ron Paul’s ‘Restore America’ Plan: ‘A Good Idea’

Rush Limbaugh, host of “The Rush Limbaugh Show,” likes Texas Congressman and GOP candidate Ron Paul’s “Restore America” plan.

“Ron Paul has a good idea,” Limbaugh said on his radio show in response to a caller’s question about how Republicans should deal with the debt crisis if they take back the White House in the 2012 presidential race.'

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Boar Hunter| 10.21.11 @ 4:16PM

Ron Paul is a nut.

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 4:39PM

The Chairman Of The Bores Plays With His Own Nuts.

Boar Hunter| 10.21.11 @ 6:44PM

Are you saying I own you now Clint?

Clint| 10.22.11 @ 10:31AM

I Thought Bawney Fwank Owned You, Chairman.

victor| 10.23.11 @ 2:21AM

Clintovich:
"Ronaldus Minimus has been talking about spending cuts since he was first elected to congress in 1976."

And what's he done with those years in Congress, eh?
Dist. Rep. 2010 2009 Years Life
14th D PAUL 96.00 91.00 20 83.51

"Rush was A Radio Music Disc Jockey then."

And what is Rush now, eh Clintie-pooh?

He's on more than 600 stations, has an iced tea company, best selling books, shall I go on?

Ronaldus Minimus is still flogging that dead libertarian horse.

Rush is the most feared man on radio.

Just who has been spinning his wheels for decades, eh?

Clint| 10.23.11 @ 10:38AM

We Like Rush Aaaaaaaand.

Rush Likes : "RON PAUL “PLAN TO RESTORE AMERICA”

SPENDING:
Cuts $1 trillion in spending during the #rst year
of Ron Paul’s presidency, eliminating #ve cabinet
departments (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and
Education), abolishing the Transportation Security
Administration and returning responsibility for security
to private property owners, abolishing corporate
subsidies, stopping foreign aid, ending foreign wars, and
returning most other spending to 2006 levels."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

victor| 10.23.11 @ 2:53PM

"What's Ronaldus Minimus done in his 20 years and why has he got only a 83.51% lifetime conservative rating, eh?"

RUSH BOT 1| 10.21.11 @ 5:15PM

How dare that little weasel Ron Paul steal ideas from my man Rush! Now I know Rush stood by Bush when Bush doubled the size of the U.S. DOE, passed the largest entitlement in 50 years, and signed TARP into law. And I know Ron Paul voted against all that, but Rush was just sticking up for a Republican back then. He's real serious about spending cuts now. Stop stealing his ideas Ron Paul!

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 2:17PM

Now, The Rest Of The Story.

From That Same "The Patriot Post" Article.

" GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul has a plan to change all that. Titled "Restore America," Paul aims to cut $1 trillion in spending during his first year in office, in part by "eliminating five cabinet departments (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and Education), abolishing the Transportation Security Administration and returning responsibility for security to private property owners, abolishing corporate subsidies, stopping foreign aid, ending foreign wars, and returning most other spending to 2006 levels."

Some other elements include using block grants for states to solve their own problems with Medicaid and other welfare programs; cutting the federal workforce by 10 percent, as well as the pay of congressional members and the president; lowering the corporate tax rate from a crippling 35 percent to a more competitive 15 percent; eliminating the death tax; and repealing ObamaCare and Dodd-Frank financial regulations.

There is much for conservatives to cheer in Paul's plan. It's important to lay out a broad vision for what Republicans would do once in control of the White House and Congress again. Paul proposes to cut almost as much in one year as the much-ballyhooed congressional super-committee will recommend over a 10-year period. Furthermore, it's not as if Paul is trying to turn back the clock on the last century, as Democrats so love to charge. He's merely pointing to 2006 -- just five years ago -- as the goal. Finally, who wouldn't want lower taxes and fewer regulations? Well, besides Democrats and Flea Party protesters."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 2:21PM

Right. That was the beginning of it. I posted the REST of the story, oh, deceitful one.

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 2:41PM

Why Didn't You Post It Then.

Let's Guess.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 2:58PM

Because, you dimwit, you posted the first part of it.

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 3:09PM

Not Before You Deliberately Left It Out, Israel Firster Propaganda Broad, Apocalyptic Crank Lady, Margie.

The Caniac Margie Does The Shuck & Jive Shuffle.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 4:13PM

Stupid fool. You posted the first part, I posted the second.
Scumbag.

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 4:43PM

Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha !

You Posted The Second Part First , While Deliberately, Hiding The First Part.

Caniac Margie Does The Herman Shuck & Jive Shuffle.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 7:45PM

Sorry, but that's actually what you did. You posted the first part, leaving off the rest of what Rush said.
That Ron Paul stole OUR ideas.

DERRRRRR.

Clint| 10.22.11 @ 10:45AM

Uh Oh !

Caniac Margie Tries To Do The Cain Apples & Oranges Shuck & Jive Shuffle.

Apples=The Patriot Post Article.

Oranges= Rush Likes Ron Paul's Plan Comments.


Costello: Who's On First ?

Abbott: Yes.

Jack in Wi.| 10.21.11 @ 4:56PM

No it wouldn't Margie. He could stop foreign aid the first day he was in office by just declaring it unconstitutional, which it is. Let the Israeli Lobby take him to court on the matter. He could close down the wars in Iraq and Afganistan by just ordering that the troops to come home as fast as is safely possible. He could use his veto pen as a huge negotiating tool to get his program through. In fact if he is elected there would be a sea change in Congress as well. We are pushing for a huge, peaceful Revolution in this country.

We want nothing less but to close down a big part of the New Deal and Great Society. We want a small Federal government with most social and economic policy decided in the states and private economy.

We want our troops home with their families defending only the shores, borders, and intrests of this country. We have gone broke funding wars for other people. It is time to put America an Americans first. The reason that Ron Paul gets more money from our active service people then all other candidates combined, including Obama is that a lot of the military agrees with him.

We want Roe overturned by a simple vote of Congress. We can do the Constitutionally by simply taking the power of the Federal courts to have jurisdiction on the matter. Then it would be put back in the hands of the indivigual states to regulate abortion. Romney, Cain and all the rest are just more of the same. It is Ron Paul or ruin.
Ron Paul for President and Rand Paul for Vice President is the only winning ticket that will change America for the better.

Quartermaster| 10.21.11 @ 6:12PM

Unfortunately, most of the GOP is certifiably insane. They have gone so long looking at the problems, and not doing something when it would have been fairly easy. Now the cancer is late stage 4 and the treatment will have to be extreme.

Too bad for the country.

Doctor Right| 10.21.11 @ 12:36PM

See what I mean..?

...Sheep.

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 2:23PM

We See That Dr.Reich's The Very Same Poster,Who Said That He'd Vote For Dr.Ron Paul.

victor| 10.23.11 @ 2:13AM

jack in wii land:
"It is a huge tax"

http://www.heritage.org/resear.....is-poverty

Your "heart" really bleeds for them, eh?

Those crocodile tears are really flowing.

The "poor" can afford cell phones, dish tv, new cars and wii's, but they cannot afford to pay one dime in taxes?

"What do you think the Democrats will do with that?"

Same thing they do every year, get saps such as yourself to bang their drum for them.

Jim| 10.23.11 @ 1:31PM

Victor, do you pay any income tax?

SilverStreake| 10.23.11 @ 10:27AM

It is a huge tax on the poor, elderly and working people but huge tax cut for the rich. What do you think the Democrats will do with that?
What they always do - nothing. They like having more taxpayers. And besides, why not have the "poor" pay taxes? Give them some skin in the game - like the rest of us.

PAUL BOT ?| 10.21.11 @ 12:56PM

Uh, guys, I forgot what comes after 3...

PAUL BOT ?| 10.21.11 @ 12:58PM

Uh, I mean after 4. C'mon, I gotta get my assigned post up there...

Guys!!!

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 3:10PM

Get Lost ObamaBoy Brooks.

PAUL BOT 4| 10.21.11 @ 9:45AM

RON PAUL IS NOT ALWAYS THIRD. HE IS SOMETIMES FOURTH OR FIFTH. BECAUSE THE MSM PROP UP CAIN. IT IS A TWO WAY RACE BETWEEN PAUL AND PALIN.

Jack in Wi.| 10.21.11 @ 9:58AM

There has not been one vote cast and already, Bachman, Santorum, Perry, Huntsman, and Cain are gone. That leaves Gingrich the next bum of the month for the neocons, Romney and Ron Paul.

Primaries are won by committed people who have money. Ron Paul has by far the largest and most committed group of activists and a good supply of money. Romney has the Mormons for his activists and a lot more money from the bankers and his Mormon friends. I have said for weeks it is between Romney and Ron Paul. It is Ron Paul or ruin. He is the only guy on stage that has a clue what to do about our fiscal and foreign policy nightmare.

Ron Paul is not third in national polls against Obama but usually in the top 2 along with Romney.
Ron Paul gets by far the most votes in polls from independents and conservative democrats. No Republican can win without these people.

Drunken Sailor| 10.21.11 @ 10:15AM

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, huh, what? I'm sorry were you saying something Jack?

Cam O. Milety| 10.21.11 @ 10:21AM

I know it's pointless but I can't resist. Can you explain what you mean when you say that Cain is gone? The Iowa poll that Clint has posted about a million times recently has Cain in first place with 28%. On the other hand Paul, Gingrich, Bachmann and Perry are all within the margin of error of each other, struggling to get out of the single digits. What does "gone" mean to you?

The most recent national poll listed on Ron Paul's own official web site has Cain in second place at 20% and Ron Paul at fourth place at 8%.

Ron Paul has a group of committed activists like yourself, but don't you understand that supporters like you and Clint who are so deeply out of touch with reality --- and that's what it takes to describe Cain as "gone" when he's polling 20 percentage points ahead of Paul --- are part of the reason that Paul isn't taken seriously?

Michael Tomlinson| 10.21.11 @ 11:15AM

This is a poll from the 2008 Republican primary. Notice anything? The guy who eventually won wasn't at the top. The Cain supporters are feeling good right now and want to act like its all over, just as the Romney folks did a few weeks ago and before that even many Perry supporters were feeling the same way (Cain and Romney have never touched the high 30's Perry had). The race is volatile and anyone who banks on polls right now stands a good chance of being disappointed. Republican voters in the primaries will decide who represents our Party. Hopefully, it will be a conservative, but a moderate wouldn't be that bad compared to what we have right now.

McCain and Huckabee were the two who were left standing in 2007 when it came down to two candidates. Last week Tim Pawlenty was lamenting he got out of the race too soon. He was right to lament. This primary is a long way from being settled.

Right now we're finding out about the candidates. Mitt Romney has improved his campaign style, but the majority of Republicans don't trust him; Herman Cain is affable, but doesn't seems certain of what he actually believes (I tend to think he's telling the interviewers the truth, but changes when it isn't popular) maybe why a majority of Republican don't trust him; Rick Perry is a great Governor, a conservative, his flat tax is out of the Jack Kemp/Ronald Reagan playbook and he's a horrible debater that's killing in a race where style is more important than substance; New Gingrich is smart and smart at staying focused on Obama, because he has substance (his star is rising); Michelle Bachmann is a true conservative, but her gaffes, that are less damning than Cains are hurting her, because being the real deal she's held to a higher standard (like Perry); Rick Santorum is still a social conservative warrior with a sound grasp of foreign policy; Ron Paul is Ron Paul and his wacky foreign policy will keep anyone like him from winning the GOP primary and why Jon Huntsman is running is anybody's guess.

Giuliani – 32% (27)
McCain – 18% (19)
Gingrich – 10% (13)
Romney – 8% (9)
Huckabee – 4% (4)

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 11:22AM

Rick Perry's a conservative?

A letter from the Patriot post today:

Patriot,

What if we didn't have to choose between the lesser of two evils for President? What if we had a conservative choice we could be proud of? Let me explain.

Conservatives have been told they have to pick Mitt Romney, despite his flip-flops on abortion, immigration, gun control. Plus, he's the intellectual father of ObamaCare. No conservative really LOVES Mitt Romney. But they think they might be stuck with him.

We were told Rick Perry was the "Tea Party" alternative to Mitt Romney, until we found out he mandated 12-year-old girls receive a vaccine for HPV without their parents' permission, opposed building a fence along America's southern border, and supported free college tuition for illegal aliens.

We have a real choice this time: Herman Cain. Herman Cain is surging in Iowa and New Hampshire. Just this week, a new poll showed that if the election were held today, Herman would beat Barack Obama. Will you help him today?

Today we are launching "Americans for Herman Cain," a project of 9-9-9 Fund.

I wanted you to be among the first to see our new video about our efforts. I hope you'll like it, and share it across Facebook and Twitter:

http://sm.responsebeacon.com:8.....iewbrowser

Michael Tomlinson| 10.21.11 @ 11:40AM

Of course, compared to Herman Cain Ron Paul is a conservative. You need to take off your rose colored glasses and see that Herman Cain is a liberal Republican (pro big business and socially liberal as his interviews reveal).

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 11:52AM

That's a lie. He isn't socially Liberal according to his interviews.
He isn't a Lib Repubbie.
That would be you. And Rick Perry.
You need repent of your mask of deceit:

"He who speaks the truth gives honest evidence, but a false witness utters deceit." Prov. 12:17.

Jack in Wi.| 10.21.11 @ 12:21PM

Cain is done. He has been destroyed by his Republican opponents in 2 straight debates. He can't coherently defend his 999 plan. The reason he can't defend it, is because it is incoherent. Ron Paul has been right on foreign policy and economic policy for decades. I agree with Mr. Tomlinson about the 2008 campaign. Guilanni was supposed to be the new Republican messiah. I predicted many on many sites that both he and Hillary Clinton would not be the nominees. I picked Obama as the next president because he was black and antiwar. The people were fed up with the Republicans, and their wars and bailouts of the rich. they were willing to try someone, new, exotic and antiwar.

Obama has been proved a liar on foreign policy and a disaster on domestic policy. The people are disgusted with all these wars and bailouts by both parties. The only man running now who embodies the disgust with these wars and the only man with a plan to restore this country to fiscal sanity is Ron Paul.

I don't know who Mr. Thomlinson now supports but it used to be Rick Perry. I think Mr. Perry has imploded and so has every other candidate but Romney and Paul. I now predict that the neocon money and effforts will move to Newt Gingrich. He is the last one standing of the anti Paul group. Romney will be a disaster, for everything that I believe in as a conservative. But he does have lot of banker and Mormon money and effort. A dead cat should beat Obama. But who the hell needs a Republican who wants just more wars and bailouts for the rich?

Doctor Right| 10.21.11 @ 10:54AM

I'm sorry, but..."Cain is gone"..???

In what universe??

He's ahead of Romney in national polls.

He's ahead of Romney in Iowa, where he's BARELY campaigned.

Meanwhile, Ron Paul, despite your RICH fantasy life, is mired in 3rd place.

Seriously...what are you smoking???

Why do you refuse to accept that elusive thing called "reality"???

CAIN BOT 1| 10.21.11 @ 10:07AM

Thanks Dr. Right for your support.
Can you please explain 9-9-9 and abortion because I can't.

Doctor Right| 10.21.11 @ 12:35PM

9-9-9.

9 is the single-digit number that comes AFTER 8, but before 10. It is the ONLY odd, single digit number that is NOT a PRIME number.

A "percent" is a "portion of one-hundred". It comes from the Italian "per centuale".

"9-9-9" is a BOLD plan to scrap the current tax system that will personally save tax-payers BILLIONS with a 9% Federal Rate. It will also cut the corporate rate to an unbelievable 9%, thus initiating massive corporate re-investment that will stimulate the private sector, stimulate the economy, and create millions of jobs at home and invite BILLIONS of $$ of foreign investment.

The final "9" stands for a 9% VAT/sales tax. Doesn't bother me. Based on how much I'll be saving in personal income taxes, that will more than make up for this.

See? Simple! Hope you can FINALLY understand it!

Drunken Sailor| 10.21.11 @ 12:48PM

DR, not to quibble but I was under the impressino that Cain's final 9 was a sales tax not a VAT. I could be wrong but I thought a VAT added taxes at each and every single level of manufacturing a product, which would make that product much more expensive than a flat sales tax at point of consumer purchase, which I believe was Cain's plan.

W| 10.21.11 @ 7:24PM

DS,
I think the 9% tax would apply when one business sells a product to another business, for example a windshield sold to Ford, so it could be a value added tax. That was Bachman's argument. Don't know for sure. The problem with tax laws is every law creates issues which require more laws and regulations to adress those issues.

irish19| 10.21.11 @ 11:55PM

You are correct. It is NOT a VAT. This confusion is, I think, what is turning many people off of Cain's plan.

CAIN BOT 1| 10.21.11 @ 1:13PM

Thank you, thank you Doctor. Now I think I do understand it. Rich white guys like you will pay less in taxes. And you don't care if poor people will pay more in income tax and sales tax. Do I have your permission to use your explanation in my campaign?

Detro996| 10.21.11 @ 2:00PM

Cain, you say the poor will pay more taxes under the 999 plan. How can you pay more taxes when you are currently paying none.

CAIN BOT 1| 10.21.11 @ 2:32PM

Detro
If you pay zero today and under Cain you the 9% sales tax and 9% on your income don't you understand that 9 is more than zero?
Doctor Right Please help here. You are better with words and numbers.

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 3:15PM

"The business portion of Cain’s plan apparently does not allow employers to deduct wages and salaries, which means — for all intents and purposes — that they would levy a 9 percent withholding tax on employee compensation. And that would be in addition to the 9 percent they presumably would withhold for the flat tax portion of Cain’s plan.

Employers use withholding in the current system, of course, but at least taxpayers are given credit for all that withheld tax when filling out their 1040 tax forms. Under Cain’s 9-9-9 plan, however, employees would only get credit for monies withheld for the flat tax.

In other words, there are two income taxes in Cain’s plan — the 9 percent flat tax and the hidden 9 percent income tax that is part of the VAT (this hidden income tax on wages and salaries, by the way, is a defining feature of a VAT)."

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 11:56AM

" Alice Stewart Bachmann's communications director, noted in response to the ( Herman Cain ) comments that "Michele has always been 100 percent pro-life from conception to natural death."

"This year, more than ever, we cannot settle on a candidate who is not consistent on this critical issue," she added. "

"Probably like me, you were absolutely floored by what Herman Cain said on CNN last night," Santorum told supporters.

"I find it gravely troubling that Herman believes it's a life, but that he doesn't consider it a life worth fighting for," the former Pennsylvania senator said."

Drunken Sailor| 10.21.11 @ 12:50PM

Did you even read the article?
" Cain's answer sounded very much like a pro-choice argument, except that the question wasn't whether he would want abortion to be legal, but rather whether he'd want his child or grandchild actually to raise the baby born under such circumstances. (The possibility of adoption was not discussed.) And, as Cain said in his initial response to Morgan's question, "You're mixing two things here."

Rick Santorum is taking what Cain said out of context and you are pasting that. Kind of like what Liberals try to do to Rush Limbaugh all the time.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 1:33PM

Thank you, DS!
Rick Santorun has now PROVEN he is just another despicable fraud who is willing to tear an honest PRO LIFE man down in order to tout himself.
REAL conservatives do NOT appreciate this!

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 2:30PM

Uh Oh !

Hear Comes The Cainiacs' Apples & Oranges Tap Dance.

Tell It To Michele Bachmann & Rick Santorum, Sport.

Words Have Meaning & Cain Is Now In An Argument Against Himself.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 10.21.11 @ 2:33PM

But that doesn't matter because it doesn't meet their agenda. Which would be bashing Herman Cain. Remember, these religious zealouts would rather have someone control others' decisions on abortion (how is this conservatism?), than insure that our country survives a commie.

To them, despite the fact that Liberty (which, sorry so-called conservatives, Liberty includes the right to decide whether or not you want to have an abortion) is on life-support in this country, and our economy is on life support, they can't find anything more important than a candidates' stance on abortion.

For the record, I am pro-life. But like a true Conservative, I believe it is NOT the Federal Government's business to decide whether or not a woman can have access to a safe abortion. It is also NOT the Federal Government's business to state sponsor abortions. If abortion is outlawed, it will just take away the safe options for women. Abortion will still happen. Want to reduce unnecessary abortions? We should focus more on eliminating state subsidies for them. When it becomes more expensive, it won't be used as a method of contraception anymore.

Anthony M| 10.22.11 @ 1:15AM

The problem with your argument is that it is now a scientifically proven fact that life begins at conception, can we, as conservatives, allow the murder of an innocent human being so as to not inconvenience the parents? Freedom should not extend so far as to allow anyone to kill another, especially a baby.

Tim the Enchanter| 10.24.11 @ 2:45PM

Tell that argument to the thousands of women who have died undergoing "safe, legal" abortions, then get back to me.

DTOM| 10.21.11 @ 1:07PM

On pro-life, anybody ever notice that the President is the last guy to have a say on abortion? First you gotta get it through the Congress. If it gets through there, one would think that the polling data and public pressure could be brought to bear on a President. If you read RSM's article you'll note that Herman Cain is pro-life per RSM.

And please don't try to tell sell the notion that RINO Romney, Mr. ORomneyCare, and Rick Perry with heart big enough to trade in-state tuition for out-of-state illegal immigrants for their votes, are not both totally unclear on the concept of the rule of law?

Hell, Ron Paul gets it way better than those two! That's a huge "Yikes!" isn't it?

Spambalaya| 10.24.11 @ 4:11PM

It seems that no matter the topic, The Ron Paul supporters manage to hijack nearly every political thread into a pointless bickerfest. but let's get real. Ron Paul has some good ideas, but he can't win. Not the primaries, and certainly not the general. Cain's recent performance on Fox News where he flipflopped from pro-life to pro-choice and back in the span of a few minutes is what did him in, not the Piers Morgan interview or the Gilad Shalit/Guantanamo debate question. The choice will almost certainly come down to Romney vs. Perry. All the Paul talk is useless pixels.

Doctor Right| 10.21.11 @ 9:59AM

Didn't you post this EXACT same comment about 3 days ago?

bluecollarbytes| 10.21.11 @ 7:45PM

Who exactly managed to 'destroy Cain' in the debates?

I missed that.

There seems to be only 3 possible outcomes now-
Cain
Romney
Newt

Romney can't get traction due to friction. He's the candidate 3/4 of primary voters want an alternative to.

Newt is fully competent to be president, but personal baggage offers an anti-newt narrative to the opposition, in addition to Newt's apparent love for the big idea- how to fit the round conservative plug into the liberal square hole.

Cain is a serious fiscal thinker, a type we desperately need. But that 999 plan is not workable in any reasonable time frame-either in educating the populace on its merits, or lining up allies to fight the inevitable battles with those having vested interests in the current code.

whatever shall we do?

respects to Paul, Santorum, Perry and Bachmann.

chuck| 10.21.11 @ 8:30AM

Looks like the Soros funded attack squad is out in full force today! Hermen must REALLY be getting to them.

Bernaaaaaarrrrdd, wtf kind of parents call their kid Bernard? Anyway I digress. You only attack the people who concern you. You make fun of the idiots, like VP Biteme.

I'm sure the Paul-bots like Clint and Jack will drop by soon to pile on.

Jack in Wi.| 10.21.11 @ 9:04AM

Herman has flip flopped on the Fed audit, He has flip,flopped on abortion and flip flopped again again and again on the issue. He has changed his position on Muslims several times. He is incoherent when he tries to explain his 999 plan. He is equally incoherent on foreign policy. He is a Baptist preacher like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, all shive and jive.

Now Herman, Obama and Romney are all funded by the same people, big wall strreet banks and the Israeli Lobby. The only guy financed by the people like me and you is Ron Paul the working man, and soldiers best friend. It is Ron Paul or ruin.

A Cain Romney or Obama administration will just be more of the same, endless war for Israel and oil and endless bailouts for the rich. 999 is a recipe for a 3rd party which will finally put an end to the Stupid Party forever. What does it say about Cain that the his most fervent supporter here is also the dumbest, Margie?

chuck| 10.21.11 @ 9:12AM

Wow, do we really want to start the list of the stupidest posters here?
In no specific order:
Clint
Jack
Purpleguy (good to see you yesterday)
Bernaaaaaaard
PostAmerican, but maybe he's just nuts, and not stupid, so no.

Jack in Wi.| 10.21.11 @ 9:18AM

I put you right behind Margie for stupidity Chuck. Only a dope would fall for the 999 plan which is huge increase in taxes and which opens the door to many more increases.

Doctor Right| 10.21.11 @ 10:00AM

...Dopes in glass houses...

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 10:27AM

Why, don't you know? Paul-bots and anti-semites are thee smartest people on this Earth!

We just don't understaaand their genius!

Like for example the fact that Ron Paul is actually losing, it really means he's winning!
Shh, don't tell them that.

RCV| 10.22.11 @ 8:56AM

"Paul-bots and anti-Semites"? Don't be redundant, Margie!

Clint| 10.22.11 @ 10:56AM

Uh Oh !

Obama Israel Firster LawBoy RCV Attempts To Play The Race Card On Dr.Ron Paul's Supporters.

RCV| 10.22.11 @ 3:54PM

The "race card"?

Clint| 10.23.11 @ 10:46AM

The " Israel Firster ObamaBoy RCV " Card.

tsd| 10.21.11 @ 10:08AM

You, the liberal can claim you have withering scorn and contempt for a conservative candidate, but yet support morons like Obama who hates the limitations imposed by the constitution and is working hard to destroy the USA. By the way this is the one country where you have the freedom to talk so stupid! Why not move to Cuba or Valenzuela and be a real communist. Oh yes that would mean you would not be able talk so dumb.... I would think you should be fighting like hell for a conservative candidate who supports the constitution so you can continue to have the freedom to talk so stupid.

Boar Hunter| 10.21.11 @ 4:03PM

Its only natural that you would have "withering scorn and contempt" for any black man who left the plantation Bernard.

After all, the "foolish clown" you have such disdain for actually epitomizes the ability of any and all Americans to rise out of poverty and achieve great things "on their own."

You, and those like you in the flea and locust class, take comfort in believing you corrected some imagined past inequity by handing unearned success to a man like Obama. Sadly, you corrected no mistake, either real or imagined. All you accomplished was to hand unearned and undeserved power to a man who is entirely evil.

What an accomplishment Bernard. You chose Obama to represent America.

You elected the dope smoking product of a loose woman and a man from another country, both of which were communists.

In case you failed to notice Bernard, all of Obama's heros have been communists and other America haters. Some of his closest friends actually engaged in acts of armed terrorism against the United States. Good job Bernard!

I'm sure you remember that your hero, along with his wife and children previously attended a vile hate filled assembly they called church, a church, where over the course of twenty years of regularly attending services involving the most vile anti-American, racist rhetoric imaginable, Obama never heard anything he objected to. I remember that you said nothing about it Bernard.

Obama, openly despises anything patriotic and denigrates anything Christian. How strange you liberals scream with indignation over any representation of Christianity within the White House, yet, in violation of one of the most closely held tenants of your faith, the president you elected regularly throws parties to celebrate Islam and has even changed the mission statement of NASA to encourage and support muslims everywhere.

I wonder Bernard, how many millions of dollars in borrowed Communist Chinese money has Obama spent so far on the hundreds of Czars he appointed? Czar's, accountable only to him. I wonder why Bush never did that?

But I guess it is nice to have someone in office now who has done so much to improve America's image abroad, right Bernard? Thank goodness we no longer have to tolerate Bush Hitler and his constant golf games now that there's work to be done.

Ungrateful for the honor you bestowed on him and devoid of respect for the office he now holds, Obama is perpetually photographed with his feet on America's furniture. Like a petulant child, this self absorbed, obnoxious reprobate fails to comprehend that it is the American people and not himself he dishonors when he bows to leaders of other countries.

You must be so pleased that America's representative is totally devoid of respect for the law, honesty or morality. The epitome of unethical, Obama simply decides not to enforce laws he disagrees with. Obama has even initiated legal action against his own country for trying to enforce immigration laws. Guess what Bernard, filing suits like that cost a lot of money, who do you think is paying for it?

The same Black Panther members Obama posed with at a prior political rally did what at a polling place? I wonder Bernard, what was your response to that? I know what Holder's was.

How long and how much involvement did both Erick Holder and Obama have with Operation Gun Runner before its scandalous, illegal nature came to light and that racist, terrorist supporting coward Holder started obstructing justice?

How much money did Obama give Solendra even after he knew it was a failed business?

How much money did Obama give Acorn after congress acted to defund them?

How much money has Obama given to support the Unions? Hell, Obama's administration has done so much crooked shit I can't even remember half of it.

So, as it pertains to Obama and his supporters, including you Bernard, you are all liars and lovers of lies who share no common ground with any real American. You are useless human fecal matter that should be wiped off the shoes of our collective history and forgotten.

The laws written by the founding fathers were designed to protect us from the exact behavior the people you continuously elect engage in on a daily basis.

Unlike you Bernard, I don't care who is in charge. I simply want the laws to be enforced, not perverted by a bunch of lawless, immoral bastards just because they can afford attorneys that enable them to undermine the law and loot the country at the expense of "we the people."

I would ask you Bernard, how does it feel to have no soul? To be devoid of any reason, to embrace lies as the truth?

America's problem Bernard, is with evil people like you, those who accept and support evil and detestable behavior. Those who brag about the triumph of Obama. Our problem is that we have allowed the cancer you represent to spread to such an extent that we now must take drastic measures to reverse it and people like you should, in your own words be "terrified" Bernard.

irish19| 10.22.11 @ 12:10AM

You know, you really need to stop holding back. Don't keep all this stuff bottled up inside; it's unhealthy. Just say what you feel.

Alan Brooks| 10.21.11 @ 11:42AM

How is Cain going to do any better than Bush? better to re-elect Obama if Black Power is what you are after.

Jill James| 10.21.11 @ 12:19PM

But that's the point. Back Power is precisely what conservatives are NOT after. What they are after is something that has nothing to do with blackness -- unlike Obama, whose Justice department is committed to racialist politics

Doctor Right| 10.21.11 @ 12:38PM

If Cain did "no better" than Bush, we'd be back to 5% unemployment and a roaring economy.

Sounds good to me!

Alan Brooks| 10.21.11 @ 12:51PM

Roaring 2005- '07.
Bush conserved nothing, nothing fiscally, nothing militarily.
Debts, dead soldiers.
As the Derb put it: "I had thought Bush had a conservative bone in his body"

idalily| 10.21.11 @ 3:31PM

Roaring until '07 when the Democrat Congress took over. Thanks for proving Dr.'s point.

Alan Brooks| 10.22.11 @ 4:33PM

But Bush decided to go with the Prescription Drug Plan in 2005.

I'm sentimental too, however you take it too far: you are all nothing but members of the Reagan Recollection Fan Club.

idalily| 10.25.11 @ 2:25PM

Yeah, when all else fails, deflect. Reagan has nothing to do with this. You wanna condemn Bush as a spendthrift? Fine. But you must tar all with the same brush. Blame the dem controlled Congress and Obama, too. Not doing that makes you a hypocrite.

Alan Brooks | 10.21.11 @ 11:44AM

Jack in Wi's favorite lady, Barb Steisand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIC7Acx8lqM

Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 6:45AM

Herman Cain is our humble version of Joe Biden on issue after issue. Of course, to Cain's supporters the more he misspeaks, thinks the question is asked too fast or said, but didn't say the more proof he's the best candidate to face the 2008 cypher Barack Obama.

Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 Problem:
Jennifer Rubin in her Right Turn column nicely encapsulates Herman Cain’s magical thinking about his regressive 9-9-9 tax increase. But it is not only his regressive tax increase, but his method for dealing with every major issue.
“Herman Cain’s biggest problem on “Meet the Press” yesterday was not his 9-9-9 plan. His current tactic is simply to deny what every independent analyst has said about it, namely that’s it’s a very regressive “reform.” (‘MR. GREGORY: And you think those people are going to rally around tax reform where the wealthy [pay] less and middle-class and lower-income folks pay more.’ MR. CAIN: ‘Yes.’)”

Rubin aptly summarizes the Cain strategy. “Cain is banking that voters aren’t following closely the details of what he is saying (I’d say he’s banking on voters being dense). He better hope that lack of attention to detail continues so long as what he is saying is either gobbledygook or antithetical to key constituencies he will need to win the nomination.”

Cain’s Muslim Problem:
A liberal from ThinkProgress.org questioned Cain at the Conservative Principles Conference in Des Moines, Iowa. "Would you be comfortable appointing a Muslim either in your Cabinet or as a federal judge?" "No, I will not," Cain replied. "And here’s why. There is this creeping attempt, there’s this attempt to gradually ease Sharia law and the Muslim faith into our government. It does not belong in our government."

When the #*&^ hit the fan Cain told Glenn Beck his statement was "misconstrued." "[The reporter] said, would you be comfortable with a Muslim in your Cabinet?" Cain told Beck. "And I immediately said, without thinking, ‘No, I would not be comfortable.’ I did not say that I would not have them in my Cabinet. Because if you look at my career, I have hired good people regardless of race, religion, sex, gender or orientation and this sort of thing. "

But later on Fox News’ “Your World with Neil Cavuto” Cain said, "A reporter asked me ‘Would I appoint a Muslim to my administration?’ I did say ‘no,’ And here’s why ... I would have to have people totally committed to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States. And many of the Muslims, they’re not totally dedicated to this country."

Cain repeated he would not hire a Muslim to radio host Bryan Fischer, “[T]he comment I made that became controversial, and my staff keeps hoping will die, is that I wouldn’t have Muslims in my administration. And it’s real simple. The Constitution does not have room for Sharia law ... and to introduce that element as part of an administration when we’ve got all of these other issues, I think I have the right to say that I won’t," Cain said.

Following a meeting with Muslim-American leaders, Cain released a groveling apology, saying that he had enjoyed the “heartfelt dialogue,” which took place in one of DC’s largest mosques. “I remain humble and contrite for any statements I have made that might have caused offense to Muslim Americans and their friends,” Cain said. “I am truly sorry for any comments that may have betrayed any commitment to the U.S. Constitution and the freedom of religion guaranteed by it.”

Cain’s Electric Fence Problem:
Cain said the U.S. should put an electric fence on the Mexican border to stop/kill illegal immigrants trying to cross into the US. Later he insisted he was joking, but in typical Cain fashion he flip-flopped again when discussing the issues saying that, yes, "it might be electrified."

At a pair of campaign stops in Tennessee, Cain said the United States has an immigration crisis and mimicking Texas Governor Rick Perry he would be willing to put U.S. troops on the border in addition to the barbed-wire fence with a sign that says "it will kill you -- warning," the New York Times reported. Asked about the comments Sunday on NBC's Meet the Press, Cain said he was joking. "That's not a serious plan," Cain told host David Gregory, "that's a joke. I've also said America needs to get a sense of humor. That was a joke, OK?"

After first apologizing when told his remarks had upset some Cain said, "Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa," for suggesting an electric fence along the border. Later in typical Herman Cain fashion he told reporters that he still thinks it's a good idea for controlling illegal immigration. "I'm not walking away from that," he said. When a reporter challenged his description of his comments, saying he didn't seem to be telling a joke, the retired pizza executive acknowledged: "You're right." He said he still believes in the need for a border fence "and it might be electrified."

Cain’s Killing of Terrorist Anwar Awalaki Problem:
How about killing terrorists like Anwar Awalaki? He's against it well he said he was, but now he says he didn't say that. When asked Cain responded, "In his case, no, because he's an American citizen. If he's an American citizen, which is the big difference, then he should be charged, and he should be arrested and brought to justice.” Cain also stated in the same interview, “He [Awlaki] should be charged. And since he’s an American citizen, he should be tried in our courts.” Another time he said, "I don't believe that the president of the United States should order the assassination of citizens of the United States. That's why we have our court system, and that's why we have our laws."

The new Herman rather than explaining his Ron Paul like position just denies it, "I never said that [President Obama] should not have ordered [the killing]. I don’t recall saying that. I think you’ve got some misinformation. Keep in mind that there are a lot of people out there trying to make me sound as if I am indecisive.” (He's doing well enough on his own proving he’s not only indecisive, but either disingenuous or making it up as he goes.) The new Cain went on to say, “I don’t know all of the compelling evidence that the intelligence agencies and the military had. I’m convinced — I’m convinced that they have enough intelligence information that said he’s a threat to the United States of America. You don’t try to prosecute or capture him simply because he’s a United States citizen.”

Cain’s The Palestinian Right of Return Problem:
On Fox News Sunday Cain was confused by the idea of the Palestinian "right of return" (to Israeli territory). After jabbering to himself, "Right of return? Right of return?" Cain said in his best Ron Paul fashion, "Yes. They should have a right to come back if that is a decision that Israel wants to make." Unsurprisingly, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says it's just "not going to happen."

Cain’s Afghanistan Problem:
WALLACE: We have been at war in Afghanistan for almost 10 years. And yet you say — and you say it quite proudly — you have no plan for what to do in Afghanistan. You'd have to wait until you got into office, until you met with the experts, until you met with military officials and then you decided.
CAIN: The right approach is: the day I'm elected president, I will start on that plan such that the day I was sworn in, I will be able to implement the plan.
CAIN: Chris, let's go back — let's go back — let's go back to the fundamental question. We've got to work on the right problem. I think it is disingenuous to tell the American people what I would do when I don't have the intelligence information. I don't have all of the factors that are affecting this particular situation. I owe the American people a responsible decision and a responsible plan. And I don't think any candidate can responsibly say what they would do if they are elected president.
Doubling down on nothing another Cain response on Afghanistan.
MR. GREGORY: How would you define victory in Afghanistan?
MR. CAIN: In Afghanistan, victory is, can we leave Afghanistan in a situation where they can defend themselves? I don’t know if that’s possible right now because, here again, what do the commanders on the ground say? What does the intelligence community say? A lot of analysis needs to into determining whether or not there is a definition of victory in Afghanistan.

Herman Cain’s Second Amendment Problem:
In an interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer Herman Cain took a surprisingly liberal view on gun control that echoes Obama Supreme Court justice Sonia Sotomayor.
BLITZER: How about gun control?
CAIN: I support the 2nd amendment.
B: So what’s the answer on gun control?
C: The answer is I support, strongly support, the 2nd amendment. I don’t support onerous legislation that’s going to restrict people’s rights in order to be able to protect themselves as guaranteed by the 2nd amendment.
B: Should states or local government be allowed to control guns, the gun situation, or should…
C: Yes
B: Yes?
C: Yes.
B: So the answer is yes?
C: The answer is yes, that should be a state’s decision.

Herman Cain’s Problem with Traditional Marriage:
Herman Cain joined Mitt Romney in not signing National Organization for marriage pledge while that is not important to Cain supporters we may now know why he did it – he’s pro-homosexual marriage or trying to have it both ways.
MR. GREGORY: A couple more. Same-sex marriage. Would you seek a constitutional ban for same-sex marriage?
MR. CAIN: I wouldn’t seek a constitutional ban for same-sex marriage, but I am pro-traditional marriage.
MR. GREGORY: But you would let the states make up their own mind as they’re doing now?
MR. CAIN: They would make up their own minds, yes.

Herman Cain’s Pro-Life Problem:
Like the man he supported for the 2008 GOP nomination, Mitt Romney, Herman Cain refused to sign the Susan B. Anthony pro-life pledge. Like the marriage issue it is probable while Cain verbally states he’s pro-marriage and pro-life it those terms means something totally different to Herman Cain than traditional social conservatives.

After initially saying that he believed in abortion "under no circumstances," Cain appeared to change his tune entirely when pressed by CNN’s Piers Morgan about cases of rape and incest. “It's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision,” Cain said. “Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue.” But Cain went further in what seemed to be a pro-abortion position, “. . . I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn't be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.” When CNN’s Piers Morgan noted Cain was departing from a traditionally pro-life stance Cain said, “Yes” then to clarify his point “Exactly.” Cain’s comments plainly left the impression that while he personally opposes abortion, he does not believe it should be made illegal.

But this is Herman Cain and there is always a reason why his clear statement wasn’t what he said or meant to say or didn’t say, but said. Much like his convoluted position on gun control Herman Cain was befuddled again. Cain said he thought the question he was asked by CNN's Piers Morgan on Wednesday night was "whether that I, as president, would simply 'order' people to not seek an abortion." Is Herman Cain that out of touch or stupid to think someone would ask that kind of question? Americans know the President cannot order them not to have an abortion, but does Cain?

A Cain spokesman, reached by phone Thursday, declined to explain why the Roe v. Wade decision was not mentioned and would not say whether Cain thinks abortion should be illegal.

Herman Cain’s GITMO Problem:
On negotiating with terrorists Herman Cain is to the left of the Daily Kos, but of course he later clarified he misspoke and the question was asked to fast. This is the guy some conservatives want to replace Obama?
BLITZER: Could you imagine if you were president…and there were one American soldier who had been held for years and the demand was al Qaeda or some other terrorist group, “You got to free everyone at Guantanamo Bay” – several hundred prisoners at Guantanamo. Could you see yourself as president authorizing that kind of transfer?
CAIN: I could see myself authorizing that kind of transfer but what I would do is I would make sure that I got all of the information. I got all of the input, considered all of the options. And then, the president has to be the president and make a

Pecos Pete| 10.21.11 @ 7:08AM

Clinton: Your criticism of Cain is interesting. I'll be interested to see if, in the future, you have any similar detail comments about the other Republican candidates. Or, is it that you just don't like Herman Cain now that he is attracting lots of interest?

How about a detail criticism of King O? However much you criticize Mr. Cain, and whatever his weaknesses, King O is a WHOLE LOT worse.

Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 10:19AM

One thing I hope happens if Herman Cain gets the nomination is that he will bring in conservatives to tell him what to do and he'll continue to be the nice grandpa telling the populists what they want to hear. I want hold my breath since he's pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-gun control, wants to raise taxes and his knowledge of foreign policy makes 2008 Obama look like a State Department veteran. Since he likes John Bolton a conservative and Henry Kissinger a moderate on foreign policy, is a fan of Alan Greenspan and he's part of the same business circles as Mitt Romney I'm guessing we'd be lucky if it was a hodge podge with a couple of conservative leaning people in the cabinet. Maybe even a conservative Vice President, but that's generally a dead end job unless Cain is going to bring in someone to actually do the day to day business so he can rurn around and talk.

As for attacking Obama why waste the space since this is supposed to be a conservative site, but you can't tell that from the support a liberal Republican like Herman Cain is getting.

Considering Cain has a political philosophy closer to Obama than Reagan on abortion, marriage, gun control, taxes and foreign policy I'm not sure O is that much worse.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 10:46AM

Let me guess... you're for Ron Paul?

DTOM| 10.21.11 @ 1:14PM

Have pity on Clinton and Jack. Their task is huge, they have to off every Republican candidate until only Ron Paul is left standing.

You have to admire their single-mindedness. Or maybe their single-celled braininess...

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 1:30PM

Nothing to admire what so ever.
And I know, it's oh, so "mean" to actually confront the little buggers... but hey, I'm actually a Christian. Can I help it if I love the Truth, and hate lies?
:^).

Of course, if they turned from idolizing a man, and instead began to worship the Son of God, the Savior of Mankind, their zeal could be commendable!

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 5:04PM

Duuuuuuuhhhh !
Apparently, You're Brainless, Sport.

" Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 3:04PM
I will support any one of the 4 conservatives Bachmann, Gingrich, Perry or Santorum."

Timothy L. Pennell| 10.21.11 @ 7:31AM

I'm guessing that this is from CHELSEA CLINTON.
You might wanna get a new moniker, there, sweetheart. No, not MONICA. Your Dad already had one of those.

oldfart| 10.21.11 @ 7:51AM

Very detailed analysis and interesting reading. Do you have a similiar analysis for Barack Obama?

Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 10:38AM

The misery index is the highest it has been in 28 yrs, poverty jumped in the last 3 yrs to over 15%, wages have dropped to historic modern lows in the last 3 yrs, debt, deficits, America's popularity all worse thanks to Obama. It doesn't take much to come up with bad things about Obama. If you're a conservative you know that.

He's also a 1 term preident if we don't nominate his Republican twin Herman Cain plauged with the same foot in mouth disease as Obama.

Bernard Webb| 10.21.11 @ 8:02AM

It took longer to read this comment than Cain will last on the national stage! This rancid flavor of the week is melting fast.

Teaghan| 10.21.11 @ 8:32AM

Troll, slither back over Moveon, the failing HuffPo, Mediamatters, or wherever it is you usually hang. Your silly comments aren't needed here.

Vern Crisler | 10.21.11 @ 8:46AM

Yes, I got bored with it after 3 paragraphs. Obviously a campaign troll from one of the other candidates, or from Hilary maybe. If that's the best you can do against Cain, then he's going to be our next President.

Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 10:42AM

I can understand your boredom since you'd have to read what Herman Cain says and not watch him acting like a conservative. For that act he should get an emmy if that's what they give for soap operas.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 10:45AM

Ah-hem.
Are you trying to say that YOU are actually a conservative?
LOL.

Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 11:45AM

Yes. Unlike Herman Cain I'm pro-life, pro-traditional marriage (I don't support gay marriage like Cain), anti-gun control, support Isarel, anti-Iran, anti-terrorist and believe in low taxes. All things Cain opposes.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 11:54AM

So now you add to your list of blatant lies that he;s for "Gay" Marriage?
Gun control too, huh?
Hey, keep on going.
I can hear the bails going into your coffin with each additional lie.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 12:35PM

That would be nails.

Drunken Sailor| 10.21.11 @ 12:58PM

So Mr. Conservative (with a liberal moniker) WHO IS YOUR CANIDATE?

Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 3:04PM

I will support any one of the 4 conservatives Bachmann, Gingrich, Perry or Santorum.

Vern Crisler | 10.21.11 @ 4:39PM

Perry? Mr. in-state tuition for illegals?

Truth to Power| 10.21.11 @ 9:37AM

Get used to the idea that whatever Republican is nominated is going to kick the crap out of the moron the Bernard Webb voted for. Bernard, your four years of corruption are over.

Drunken Sailor| 10.21.11 @ 10:18AM

Herman Cain melting? You must have a different dictionary from mine.
http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....-1452.html

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 10.21.11 @ 2:39PM

All I need to know about Herman was confirmed yesterday. The Unions HATE HERMAN CAIN!

This is a Conservative I can Believe in! lol

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 10.21.11 @ 2:57PM

Notice the Unions didn't come out full force against Romney or Perry?

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 3:01PM

Amen!

Sean| 10.21.11 @ 8:37AM

You forgot to include Cain's support of TARP. Once it passed Cain went against it. You see to Cain it was good legislation it was just implemented wrong.

Also you forgot his stance against a FED audit. He said we wouldn't find anything. Well woe and behold 16 trillion in manipulations found and now he is for one.

Vern Crisler | 10.21.11 @ 8:52AM

A lot of people supported TARP initially, because Bush was proclaiming the end of America if it wasn't passed, so Cain got caught up in it, too. People who want to audit the FED are generally those who don't believe it should exist in the first place. Maybe it shouldn't, but an audit of the FED is not going to solve our economic problems. It's not IRS or the FED, or any other government institution that's at fault. It's us. We vote all these bozos into office and THEY are the ones who pass all the legislation that drags our economy down. If libertarians had any sense, they'd be protesting in front of Congress, not blathering on about auditing the FED.

Sean| 10.21.11 @ 9:24AM

Sorry, but I expect my President to be able to think for themselves and not participate in herd mentality. If Cain's excuse is that Bush thought it was a good idea than that is even worse.

You are right that Congress has been a huge problem, but that doesn't mean an audit of the FED is a bad idea. The FED manipulates more money than Congress. The corruption is at an even greater magnitude.

Vern Crisler| 10.21.11 @ 12:16PM

Why not audit the corrupt voters who put these politicians into office?

idalily| 10.21.11 @ 3:35PM

For the love of God, look at Cain's resume. Do you REALLY think a man with his experience can't think for himself? Please. Herman Cain has already stated his position on TARP changed because changes to it were made AFTER his support was given.

Sean| 10.21.11 @ 5:01PM

It was a terrible idea from the day it was conceived. No true conservative would have supported it at anytime.

victor| 10.23.11 @ 11:04PM

Clintoonian:
"Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 Problem:
Jennifer Rubin in her..... ...."

There's your problem right there, you're citing a squishy moderate who misrepresented Steve Lonegan's positions against future squishy moderate governor Crispy Creme Christie, sounds conservative, but he still is a jersey moderate republican.
Lonegan and Schundler before him were the real conservatives and were shot down in favor of squimodreps.

victor| 10.23.11 @ 11:04PM

Clintoonian:
"Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 Problem:
Jennifer Rubin in her..... ...."

There's your problem right there, you're citing a squishy moderate who misrepresented Steve Lonegan's positions against future squishy moderate governor Crispy Creme Christie, sounds conservative, but he still is a jersey moderate republican.
Lonegan and Schundler before him were the real conservatives and were shot down in favor of squimodreps.

Nancy in NC| 10.21.11 @ 7:14AM

If only the MSM had given Obama the same "vetting" they are now giving Cain.

I think Cain should listen to his gut and stick by his first answers to these gotcha questions, and refuse to enter the fray with these PC type of questions. He gets himself in trouble when he tries to "explain" his answers, where in fact he was on target the first time. His standard response should be "Did you ask Obama that questions?"

Sean| 10.21.11 @ 8:39AM

What gotcha questions? These are everyday questions asked of all Republican candidates. Cain is just schizophrenic in answering them.

DTOM| 10.21.11 @ 1:17PM

Sean;

What gotcha questions?

Find the Laurence O'Donnell interview and watch that - read RSM's article above, try to breathe a little oxygen, from time to time...

Mike Hawk| 10.21.11 @ 9:16AM

The Media doesn't vet anybody.

Frank Drackman| 10.21.11 @ 7:19AM

Mitt Romney: Phoney-Baloney-Mondale-Hair..
and how hard IS it to run the Olympics? Are there millions of competing Olympics using ill-legal aliens? Offering Free Olympics if it's not hot at your door in 30 minutes or less?
OK, he does get points for patting Perry on the Shoulder like the Busboy at Mortons...NEXT!!
Rick Perry: saying your "Offended" is a deal breaker for Heterosexual Males,. And might wanta stop poppin those Oxys 5 minutes before the debate..AND YOU CAN'T JUST LET A MAN PAT YOU ON THE SHOULDER LIKE THAT..
unless it's Hulk Hogan...NEXT!!
Michelle Bachman- Kudos for deep-throating that Corn Dog like a pro...Perfect VP
Huntsman: sounds too much like "Cuntsmen", and your a liberal NEXT
Gingrich: solid Man Card for serving ex-Wife divorce papers in the Hospital. But $500,000 account at Tiffany's?!?!??! Dudes whipped with a capital "W" NEXT
Santorum: You let your name become slang for soomething even more vile than Ted Kennedy? Can't you find some Paulie Walnuts characters to rip that Savage homo a new one? NEXT
Ron Paul: can't trust a guy who's shirt doesn't fit NEXT
which leaves my Man, Herb Cain
I'm in the friggin 31% bracket, and I don't even work that hard, the 9% sales tax is only on New Items, which I don't buy.
Seriously, I even buy used food, brew my own beer, grow my own (Non wacky) Tabacky, and order porn only from PPV like God intended
Its about time the "Poor" paid THERE fair share instead of only Tobacco and Alcohol excise taxes...

Frank "Tax the Poor to the Poor-House" Drackman

Nathan| 10.21.11 @ 7:24AM

Herman doesn't seem to really want smaller government. Morgan asked him during the interview which of his rivals would not make a good president, Cain replied Rep. Ron Paul because he wants to "end" programs and I want to "fix" them. Fix the DOE? As well as his continued support for the concept of bailouts, as long as he gets to decide who gets bailed out. Is that a Tea Party, smaller government position?

Sean| 10.21.11 @ 8:42AM

No one that supported TARP is a small government conservative. Republicans are not called the stupid party for nothing.

Frank Drackman| 10.21.11 @ 7:25AM

and Herb's the only one without perfect Hair.
Last bald President was Gerald Ford, wait...
DWIGHT IKE EISENHOUR!!!!!!!!
who had Zero elected experience too.
I know, beat the Germans, but he had like 5 million dudes with M1's and Thompsons in front of him.
Running a Pizza place is tougher.
More Dangerous anyway.

Frank "I Like Herb" Drackman

Bernard Webb| 10.21.11 @ 8:03AM

Read as free-verse poetry, your comment has a certain charm. Read as political commentary, not so much.

Frank Drackman| 10.21.11 @ 8:32AM

thats what your wife said about your penis,

Frank

Bumr50| 10.21.11 @ 7:26AM

It's pretty clear that Herman Cain is pro-choice.

I'm getting the feeling that Cain's biggest detractors (aside from the Paulians screaming "The FEEEEED!!) are Rick Perry supporters who I've found to be the worst part of the Perry campaign.

Since their candidate has proven to be and ill-tempered, stammering moron on stage, it seems that all they've got left is the "Perry by attrition" strategy.

Sure 9-9-9 needs some tweaking, perhaps moving away from the consumption tax for now, but Cain has the stones to tell it like it is.

His foreign policy "gaffes" are little more than "gotcha"attempts to try and stump the man. It's clear that he has a great sense of the problems this country faces and the willingness to provide actual solutions and ideas, rather than politispeak.

Cain is a breath of fresh air, and it's bringing out the ugly envy of the "political class."

PS- Rick Santorum, Cains a "pro-choice, left-wing liberal"? That's really disgusting, and you know it to be a falsehood. You don't do the SoCon movement any favors by using your "family values" stance as a bludgeon. Shame on you.

chuck| 10.21.11 @ 8:40AM

I've been listening to Herman Cain for a long time, when he subbed for Boortz, and doing his own radio show. IT IS CLEAR THAT HERMAN CAIN IS PRO-LIFE! One little hypothetical gotcha question does not change this.
Voters will make up their own minds, and a bunch of ninnies piling on with "HE'S PRO-CHOICE, HE HATES MUSLIMS, HE WANTS TO FRY MEXICANS AT THE BORDER!" isn't going to sway too many people.

oldfart| 10.21.11 @ 7:53AM

It may very well be that Mr. Cain is the person many thought Mr. Obama would be. However we soon learned that Mr. Obama is the ultimate 'useful idiot' who will be discarded when no longer useful.

Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 7:57AM

Unlike Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman who we know are moderates Cain is a closet moderate/liberal masquerading as a conservative. His gaffs reveal the inner Cain and his opposition to positions important to conservatives.

Sadly, that's not important to the Canites who defend his anti-conservative rhetoric and explain it away deluding themselves his style is more important than substance. You've got to hand it to Cain he's a marketing genuis to repackage warmed over 2008 Romney campaign and sell it as conservative.

Aside from Libitard Paul the other GOP candidates even with their problems, are conservatives. Anyone of them would make a better candidate than Herman Cain.

Criticizing Obama is too easy, because he is an utter failure, but his increasing poverty to depression levels in 3 yrs ensures his defeat next year if we nominate a real conservative.

Just ask the Democrats how they feel about putting their version of Herman Cain in the White House. After watching the liberals embrace an inexperienced cypher it would be foolish for Republicans to do the same thing.

Frank Drackman| 10.21.11 @ 8:39AM

Rick Perry's debate skills make Trig Palin look like friggin Steven Hawkins...
And I'm not sayin I want an effete Ivy-league snob like Thurston Howell John Kerry III...
but seriously, Perry looks like every Bubba-Bob-Billy-Joe who's tried to sell me an Air Filter I don't need...
Herb Cain, OTOH(that means "OTOH") has the Street Smarts & Cunning that all those minorities who run Mom&Pop; businesses have.
Frank

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 2:09PM

People say you, Clinton, are a closet troll posing as a conservative and living in your mothers basement and while you are not blogging, you are reading old copies of readers digest and playboy magazine. They say you are not the genius you think you are and you are not realated to the Rove's.

Hey, this is what I just heard! It is got to be true.

hardcard| 10.21.11 @ 8:18AM

many trolls, commander zero 57 states !

Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 8:26AM

Over on the FOX website this morning Mr. Forbes is interviewed announcing Perry's flat tax proposal.

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 2:03PM

Lets us hope we can give his proposal a fair hearing and review and not let it fall the same way into cynicism, smear, half truths, and distortions.

Bumr50| 10.21.11 @ 8:26AM

Fear the Hermanator!

Look at all the crazy he brings out!

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 10.21.11 @ 2:42PM

LMAO!! Fact!!

somnolence| 10.21.11 @ 8:28AM

More politics as usual, and many Cain detractors here, but the alternatives toward the top are Romney and Perry, so I'm definitely in Cain's corner. Oh, BTW he is as pro-life as I am, and that is 100% , and no, the latest polls show that "the flavor of the week" is not "melting". Perry remains a distant 13 points behind Cain. So it is the "man of the people" concept against lifetime politicos. It has become an easy decision for millions.

Teaghan| 10.21.11 @ 8:35AM

Morning Joe is ripping up Cain this morning. And they don't just give it a few minutes of discussion, it's the morning topic. They must be getting worried. And no one mentioned obama's "it's above my paygrade" statement when asked about abortion. Not a mention.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 10:36AM

To be expected from the reprobate Joe Scarborough & co.

He's gone over the Leftist edge some time ago

W| 10.21.11 @ 1:18PM

Imus referred to Scarborough as "Deliverance Boy" which I thought was unfair and defamatory to the original Deliverance boy.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 10.21.11 @ 2:44PM

Joe Scarborough looks like he has down's syndrome, but the people I know with that are much more intelligent. Must be some other disease..

Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 9:10AM

Canite denial doesn't change the fact he's not a conservative or that their zeal for him is based on style over substance. If he's our candidate in 2012 Republican's buyers remorse will be bigger than Democrats with Obama.

As for trolls better to be a troll who thinks for himself or herself than a Canite zombie. At least the Paulbots actually know what their guy believes and stands for.

Stilling waiting for one of

Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 9:12AM

Still waiting for one of the zombies to explain why Cain keeps screwing up on what he believes. Cain is just an Obama whose had a job.

W| 10.21.11 @ 1:20PM

Can you ask Hillary how she made the $100,000 on the $1,000 investment in cattle futures? Tell her to help Obama since he lost $500,000,000 on the Solyndra investment. She should be in charge of the investments.

Frank Drackman| 10.21.11 @ 9:16AM

Smell that?
that gasoline smell, nothing else smells like that...
I remember one time, we fenced like 20 miles of border, didn't find one illegal alien, just that smell... smells like..
VICTORY...
someday this war's gonna end...

Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 10:32AM

Smell that waffles! Herman Cain just caught again spouting his liberal philosophy so he's changed his position, misspoke, the question was asked to fast or he didn't say what he said and came up with a new position.

Hear that Democrats smacking their gums looking forward to eating Herman Cain's waffles and taking down the whole party if he's the nominee.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 10:38AM

"A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who utters lies will not escape." Prov. 19:5.

Ever stop to consider, escape from what?

Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 10:43AM

Take the beam out of your own eye lady. Your hateful bigot.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 10:49AM

Ooooh. Bringing out the big guns.
BIGOT!
Anyone who speaks the truth to you punks is a BIGOT.
Spare me, loser.
Grow a spine and quit your lying, then maybe I won't have to warn you about what God's gonna do to your sorry rear end.

Dave Williams| 10.21.11 @ 12:53PM

Once again, the true christian spirit of love on display. Religion is an utter con job from top to bottom.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 1:26PM

So, in your dark mind you think that Christians shouldn't speak the truth to liars? To false accusers?
Nowhere does Jesus teach this. In fact, He was VERY strong in speaking to liars and hypocrites. Especially twho chose to reject Him:

"You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to Hell?" Mt. 23:33.

And here:

"He said therefore to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by Him, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?" Lk. 3"7.

Better watch out what you are believing.
God despises lying and slander and hypocrisy.

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 1:59PM

Dave, what are you displaying?

Dave| 10.22.11 @ 3:59PM

Responding to the village bigot, something you are afraid to do.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 11:24AM

p.s.

Think about it: You say I'M a hateful bigot, yet you post your lying diatribes about Herman Cain here?

Not only are you a hateful bigot, but a liar as well.

Repent.

POST American| 10.21.11 @ 9:44AM

-----FILE this one under Lord ROT-child's
'Right Wing' SAP OP.

Meanwhile, some light from the past:

Putting aside their KEY involvement
with getting the Bolshevik genocide
hopping in 1918 ------

"The Federal Reserve has pumped so many
BILLIONS into (---NAZI---) Germany that
they dare NOT name the total."
REP. Charles H McFadden
1935

--------We all know where that led.

In 2011, THINK RED China ---and you'll
see where this leads.

-----Psychopathic USURY is an ABOMINATION----

----------IT REALLY, REALLY, REALLY IS-----------

-----------HUAC meets NUREMBERG 2012----------

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 10.21.11 @ 2:47PM

I just heard the little girl from poltergeist when I read this.. "Hello...... Helloooo... la la la la... la la la la.."

linda| 10.21.11 @ 9:48AM

Herman Cain is running for Romney's VP. He as much as said so on the radio last night. He would be a good VP for Romney as he is at least likeable and could help Romney in the south. Let's hope none of this comes to pass.
Cain is not as conservative as some would lead us to believe. A perfect fit for white bread Romney.

Doctor Right| 10.21.11 @ 10:02AM

No, he isn't.

NOTHING in Herman Cain's resume says "Yes-Man" or "Second-Fiddle".

Say what you want about his political POV's, but the guy leads from the front-lines.

That does NOT mean that if offered, he would not accept a VP-slot.

It means that he's gunning for the whole enchilada. And since he's now leading Romney by 8 points in Iowa, he might likely get it.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 10:20AM

Now that's what I like hearing.. the truth!

Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 10:26AM

Linda he would make a good Romney running mate since they agree on everything and both like to waffle and flip flop.

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 1:55PM

linda, you made some spot on comments in the past. I would caution you not to jump to conclusions particularly on what you think you hear or see in the media. He may have been asked a question about whether he would accept a VP position on the ticket and he just answered affirmatively and was not thinking of Romney or anyone in particular. He is not a politician. He shakes hands and is freindly with all the other candidates and he has tried to stay out of the negative sniping game. Unlike politicians who will hold a grudge, he is a business man who knows the value of being gracious to everyone.

What would you think of a Gingrich/Cain ticket?

Sean| 10.21.11 @ 5:07PM

That would be a dream ticket for liberals. At the head a global warming supporter. At the bottom a TARP/Prochoice/big spending black man to make them feel good

Simon Templar| 10.22.11 @ 8:33PM

Sean, what would you propose....Paul/Kucinich?

Or maybe Sean/Clint?

Go away, No one gives a crap what you think, particularly me.

os| 10.22.11 @ 10:21PM

Poor ol Simon still being lead astray by his shepherds Rush and Levin. Stop pissing your pants Simon, the crypto-statists talking heads will tell you who to support in no time.

Simon Templar| 10.23.11 @ 1:58PM

Your operating system is malfuctioning.
You, like it, garbage in, garbage out.

victor| 10.23.11 @ 11:28PM

Simon Templar:
" Sean, what would you propose....Paul/Kucinich?"

Hello Simon,
Funny you should say that, Ronaldus Minimus would be a perfect fit with Dennis the Menace, but Barney the Frankfurtr Boy as well as many other looney leftist liberals:

http://warisacrime.org/sites/a.....letter.pdf

Sorry for this particular cite, but it seems that Frankie boy has taken it down, not only on Ezra Klein's article, but many others.

Ron Paul is very much at home on the left side of the aisle.

victor| 10.23.11 @ 11:29PM

I forgot to say that RuPaul is at home with those that want to gut the military.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 10.21.11 @ 2:49PM

No he isn't. I listened to the entire interview. He was asked if someone offered the VP to him, would he consider the VP position? He answered that he might, depending on who it was coming from, if he agreed with the policy of the candidate and if he thought he could work with him.

Liar.

OregonBuzz| 10.21.11 @ 9:53AM

As far as Mr. Cain's answer to the question regarding hostage exchange, his response expressed a sentiment not a "policy". He stated what all Americans do believe, or should believe, that one G.I. is worth all of the rabble at GITMO and more.
Mr. Cain is under attack because he represents true American values and beliefs, and he's not another status quo candidate. The career politicians can't handle anything outside the status quo comfort zone.

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 1:58PM

Oregon, that was a very smart and insightful comment. Very perceptive! I did not think of it quite that way but that makes a lot of sense.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 2:05PM

I second that emotion.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 10:24AM

No matter how the arrogant Establishment Republicans along with their partners in crime in the Media and here try and destroy him, Herman Cain isn't going anywhere.

He is a genuine conservative through and through, not a weak spined lily-livered punk who has to try and put his running mates down in order to try and "prop" himself up.

Are you listening, Ken?

The Country Class doesn't appreciate that kind of garbage.. from anybody!

We'll see, won't we?

Country Class Women for Herman Cain 2012!

Sean| 10.21.11 @ 10:35AM

Cain is a supporter of TARP. It doesn't get much more establishment than that. If you want a coherent answer don't ask Cain ask his advisers. Maybe we can include one of them in the next debate to speak for him.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 10:40AM

Sean is a blatant liar. It's what men who've sold their souls to the Devil do.
It's what following a man does, a man who blames America for terrorism.
You've lost your minds.

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 2:48PM

Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha !

The Crazy Nuts Big Yellow Margie Bus Calls The Lemon Pies Yellow.

Attendants, Get The Net For Margie.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 3:03PM

You've BEEN in the net for as long as we've known you, Clinty-poo who used to post as Tim* before he got booted for his foul mouth.

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 3:21PM

You & Your Tag Team Zany Crazy Crippled Russkie Hubby, Victor Share A Family Plan Net.

See A Shrink.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 4:16PM

You have been shrunk all along.
Imbecile.

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 4:57PM

Apparently, So Has Your Crippled Russkie, Victor's Junk.
This Might Help Explain Some Of Your Zany Crazed Angry Religious Bigot Act.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 6:59PM

You never could stand my posting of Scripture, liar.

"Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my Own accord, but He sent Me.

Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear My Word.

You are of your father the Devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

But, because I tell the truth, you do not believe me." Jn. 8:42-45.

Repent, liar.

Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 11:39AM

Margie,
you know you love me, and I have the e-mails to prove it.
Sorry you feel like thhe "woman scorned", but I am already happily married to a wonderful Christian woman.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 11:57AM

Excuse me?
You disgusting slob. You have the emails to prove what?
Post them.
Lying scum.
That's it~ you are going to be sued for slander you filthy scumbag.
You just wait.
You haughty, lying filthy piece of garbage.

Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 3:08PM

You're a very frustrated and hateful old shrew. I can see why you'd support a deceitful liberal like Herman Cain.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 6:54PM

Well then, you'd better get right with God, kiddo.
He's the One who throws liars into Hell.
He DESPISES them, too.

Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 3:55PM

Here you go, Margie.
I won't post the one you asked me not to show Vic.

Re: RCV ReplyTuesday, January 4, 2011 8:53 PMFrom: net>Ken,

Thank you. Love you.. and am still sorry for my nasty outburst recently.
Your posts at AmSpec always top them all.
I figure you've got to be the real thing. Christian, I mean, otherwise how would you stay so calm and reasoned. Something I am so sorely lacking in.. but we already know that I guess.
p.s. Vic called Bob Castignetti yesterday as we didn't hear from him and he said he's been under the weather health wise. He wished him well and hopefully we'll hear something in the near future as far as business is concerned.

Thanks again for your support.
Margie

Bob Grant| 10.21.11 @ 3:59PM

Uh, if this is a "love letter" then I'm in love with my sister, various female friends, and half the member of my Church.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 4:18PM

I'll post his where he says he loves me, too. And mine, where I tell him it is Christian love.

The man's a scumbag.
He knows he has nothing.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 5:42PM

How does the lying Ken do business with us:

Here it is:

--- On Thu, 3/17/11,Vic & Margie
From: Vic & Margie
Subject: Re: My truck for sale
To: Ken>
Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 5:06 PM

Hi Ken,

What a beautiful vehicle that is! I wish we could buy it ourselves. We came out here from NJ with a little (car) and have talked about one day trading it in for a pick up truck. Out here in western PA it would be a blessing.

We would be honored to sell it for you on ebay and thank you for the offer of allowing us to keep a bit of it, as you stated. We could just say that it is located in Texas but that the owner would be willing to drive it to them.. anywhere?

We couldn't open the one file though on our Macs. We were able to open the 2 pictures only. Vic wants to know if you can send it as a PDF? I don't know what that means but hope you do?

Thanks!
Margie

----- Original Message -----
From: Ken
To: "Vic & Margie Amspec"
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 5:11:38 PM
Subject: My truck for sale

Hey guys
Y'all know E-bay and .....craigslist?

I want to sell my pickup truck. retail bluebook is around $13,500

Anything over $9,000 is yours...except my gas to drive to customer heh.

See attachments

Yeah, how about a hundred thousand copies of "America Alone Said NO!" I sent it to my publishing agent last week.
Hi
The picture from the rear shows the only damage to truck. See bumper.
(Wife) and I travel out of town a lot on business. We usually drive her SUV when we are home
(heh the golf clubs stay out of the rain)
Our office is ****** miles from our home. I have basically used the truck to commute to work and run errands. thats why it has so few miles

--- On Fri, 3/18/11, Vic & Margie wrote:
From: Vic & Margie
Subject: Re: My truck for sale
To: "Ken
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 5:16 PM

Hi Ken,

Me again. If the e mail got rejected it could be one of 2 things~ you sent it to us at the old @verizon.net instead of the new comcast.net. OR~ the pics you sent are too big. See if you can send them smaller.
Ebay needs to know what kind of cab your truck has, how many airbags, does it have a warranty, radio, CD? What's the color of the truck and interior?
How long is the bed?

Anything else I'll let you know.

Let me know what it has and I'll get it started.

thanks

Victor
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken
To: Vic & Margie
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:45:13 PM
Subject: Re: My truck for sale

Vic I tried to send more pictures but the internet rejected my e-mail to you.
The rear bumper has a dent maybe an inch deep. heh, (Wife) backed into a steel post.

The truck is a "plain Jane" model. No power windows for wimps and it has cloth upholstery in great shape.

Other than that the truck is a cherry with 13,000 miles on iit...with a brand new battery.
VIN: ************

--- On Fri, 3/18/11, Vic & Margie> wrote:

From: Vic & Margie
Subject: Re: My truck for sale
To: Ken
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 1:23 PM

Hello Ken,

We'll be happy to list your truck and help you sell it.
First we'll need the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN),
next, we'll need all the standard and optional equipment,
the particular model, if any
and some more pictures:
head on, rear view, side view, interior, front and rear cab, steering wheel, radio, dashboard, etc, pick-up bed, wheels and tires, engine compartment.
Any dings, chips or dents, if any.

I looked at some listings and the more information and pics the better.

They also provide a free vehicle history check and a score of your vehicle.

Fill in missing information:

Body type: Pickup truck Engine: V-6 (displacement?) Exterior color:
Transmission: 5-Speed Manual Fuel type: Gasoline Interior color:
Drivetrain:
Disability equipped:
Cab type (for trucks only): Crew cab

Any of these or more?

Standard equipment
Power Windows Air Conditioning AM/FM Radio
CD ABS Power Steering
Cruise Control

Tires On/Off Road Power Door Locks Fog Lamps
Air bag
Dual Air Bags
We can do an auction with a reserve and see what we get.
One guy did a Auction/Buy it Now with a reserve with bidders and one guy bought it.
We can do a seven auction.
Once I get the information I can list it.

We'll see what happens and hope it sells.
talk to you later.
Victor
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken
To: Vic & Margie
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:57:38 AM
Subject: Re: My truck for sale

2005 Dodge Dakota

For sale by original Owner> Only 13,000 miles>Perfect mechanical condition>Never seen snow or salt >Air-conditioner Ice cold >Clear title >V-6 engine> 5 speed manual transmission >AM-FM Radio > Retail value: $14,500…….Your price direct $11,500…firm. For test drive

Truck located at (Ken's Office)

--- On Sat, 3/19/11, Vic & Margie wrote:

From: Vic & Margie
Subject: Re: My truck for sale
To: Ken
Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 3:44 PM

Hey Ken,

Thanks for the additional info on your truck.
I just listed it, so you can go take a look at it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors.....364wt_1167

I still need some more pictures, so could you send some to me when you get a chance?

Let me know if there is anything else I should know about it.

Thanks
Victor

----- Original Message -----
From: Ken
To: Vic & Margie
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 12:26:53 PM
Subject: Re: My truck for sale

2005 Dodge Dakota

For sale by original Owner> Only 13,000 miles>Perfect mechanical condition>Never seen snow or salt >Air-conditioner Ice cold >Clear title >V-6 engine> 5 speed manual transmission >AM-FM Radio > Retail value: $14,500…….Your price direct $11,500…firm. For test drive

Truck located at ............ (Ken's office).
Truck has “extended cab” two feet of available space behind front seats with doors for access.

(1 and a half doors?)

The bed is six feet six inches long.

Two air-bags. Passenger air-bag can be de-activated with a push of a button.

Warranty expired.
amfm radio...no cd player.
Color medium blue (duh, pictures)
Interior dove grey.

--- On Sun, 3/20/11, Vic & Margie wrote:

From: Vic & Margie
Subject: Your Truck
To: "Ken
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 12:22 PM

Howdy Ken,

The bidding's up to 2750.00 so far. We've put up a buy-it-now option of 13,500. so that if somebody wants to pay that they can buy it ASAP. A man in Fort Worth is bidding and sent us a note asking about it. We told him if he would like to take a look at it to let us know and we'll arrange it, so as soon as he lets us know we'll get him in touch with you.

Margie :^)

p.s. This is really cool... got any more things you'd like us to sell? This is giving me the idea that we ought to advertise ourselves as sellers for others on consignment!

Subject: Truck sold here!
Date: March 22, 2011 6:53:22 PM EDT
To: Vic & Margie
If the check clears tomorrow, we can delete from E-Bay.

I only wish you guys could have had it for your personal use.
ken

Nice guy, huh?

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 4:32PM

From: Ken
Subject: if we never meet
Date: March 1, 2011 10:22:01 PM EST
To: Vic & Margie

Vic and Margie,
We may never meet here on earth, but.....................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

I've come to love you guys. Several million folks have read my words. I pray I have helped them along the road.
enjoy all their songs.
God bless

LOL. Uh oh, it's looooove!

Hey Ken, if I sent you an e mail asking you not to "show" Vic, I'll post the one where you told me your wife doesn't read the ones at the e mail addy you gave me. (Which I always wondered WHY you said that, when I had nor do I have anything to hide).

And then the one where YOU actually told ME not to let Vic see our e mail.

How about it, big man?


And then

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 5:57PM

From: Ken
Subject: Re: AmSpec
Date: October 26, 2010 5:31:15 PM EDT
To: Vic & Margie
I haven't noticed Tim* on the comments since you last e-mailed me. I wonder if he was banned as well.
Who knows? Maybe I just haven't noticed. I scroll past his remarks unconsciously perhaps. He has nothing to say I want to read.

I know a couple of things. One, there are a LOT of non-commentors that read the comments, and I told the editors that your Biblical references were quite welcomed and I personally would welcome you back.

Two, your flame wars with Tim* or whoever he calls himself get tiresome and petty. He manages to consistently drag you down to his level of intercourse,...you fall for it time after time.

Don't speak to him any more. Speak to us that have ears to hear.

I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. We did.
Love
Ken

Oh, NO!
He signed it (LOVE!).
OOOOOOh.

Ken,

When would you like to come clean and repent and end this fiasco?
Or are you too hard hearted?
I mean, we could go on and on..

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 6:12PM

Ugh. I left off the beginning of his e mail, where he says his wife doesn't read them. So I'll repost the whole thing again.

From: Ken
Subject: Re: AmSpec
Date: October 26, 2010 5:31:15 PM EDT
To: Vic & Margie

My email address is ******* but the address is under my wife's name. Just another layer of security for my private e-mails

Linda never uses the above address.

I have written to Quin and his boss about that. They just don't have the software to prevent it darn it. It has happened to me as well as you know. They really run on a shoestring there at TAS.
I have a recurring $$ per month donation to help, but they all have another job to even make a living.

--- On Tue, 10/26/10, vicandmarj@comcast.net wrote:

From: vicandmarj@comcast.net
Subject: AmSpec
To: "1-bean"
Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 12:15 PM

Hi Ken,

It seems we have 3 different e mails for you. 1-****, **** and then ********. I don't know how it came about but which one should we use to write to you? I had written one to you recently that went to one of them and I don't think you got it. It was about a comment I had made and you told me it was probably the best one I had ever written. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT: After I wrote that, someone USING MY NAME rewrote it and at the end added ROMAN CATHOLICISM to my list of isms. This turned many away from me, including Anthony who called me a bigot.

Today and yesterday it looks like someone is using Mimi's name to post and some are turning against her.

Why doesn't AmSpec have a registration procedure~ NOT to stifle free speech but just so that people cannot use other's names to post under and turn others against them.

Would you be willing to suggest this to Quin? I wrote to him about it but he ignored me. What do you think?

p.s. My husband ordered the book you suggested. It's on its way. He got the new edition and I will remind him to start at the appendix.

THANK YOU for the time you spent with us newbie western PA hicks. I'm fantasizing about a stainless steel semi auto. .22 "beebee gun" now. Heh.

NOW: Folks, I'm not going to try like the pervert is trying to do to slander him and say that he meant that (about his wife doesn't read this e mail addy) and say that he was trying to hook up with me or something. But I COULD, couldn't I?

He IS.

I can post about 100 e mails between us and you can read and judge for yourselves.

I AM NOT THE ONE who started this nonsense. Ken does not like being disagreed with.. if you do dare to you had better watch out for the swift destruction he will do to you.

I will take my stand on Scripture here and anywhere, no matter who or what anyone tries to do to me. And THAT'S the problem Ken has with me.
Tuff cookies.

One thing I've learned from all of this is, NEVER EVER trust anyone.

Margaret| 10.21.11 @ 7:27PM

Hey Tex,
I am not a fan of Margie but your are a PIG, with apologies to pigs.
No class whatsoever, posting private emails.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 4:54PM

Now, concerning the business aspect of things:

Ken lied when he said HE sent us over a "million dollars" worth.
I said, no, he didn't. HE sent us nothing.
He also said HE sent it free of charge. Ken did NO such thing.

It wasn't HIS property, he didn't send it, and it wasn't a "contract" of his either, as he posted here as well.

Ken has a huge ego. His problem with me is that I dared to disagree with him months ago concerning biblical things. He could not stand the fact that I disagreed with his (wrongful) stance on not only Darwinism, but Homosexuality as well.

He then undertook to try and slander me here, openly, and turn others against me.
He has sent me threatening e mails, comparing me to Clint (the scumbag here), absolutely horrid and despicable accusations.

I haven't posted them.. I find it hard to unlike him destroy him. But he's asked for it.
I've asked him to QUIT e mailing me, which he wouldn't.
I've threatened to sue him, which he doesn't care about. But I just may, unless he REPENTS NOW.

And since he has also already seen fit to put his friend's full name out there in Cyberspace, I won't remove it from the e mail I'm posting.

Here's an e mail concerning business:

Subject: Re: Hi there
Date: March 1, 2011 9:51:54 PM EST
To: Vic & Margie

Well, work on selling the stuff??????????????
Bob tells me he has some $$ dollars worth of the stuff, and he is too frail to work it.
Heck, he sells a couple of antique cars a year and makes $$$.

He tells me the paperwork is the real money maker.........but he just doesn't have the energy to promote it.
He thinks it is pretty cool for someone to get the stuff in the hands of the people that really want it.
God's speed

--- On Tue, 3/1/11, Vic & Margie wrote:

From: Vic & Margie
Subject: Re: Hi there
To: Ken
Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 6:32 PM

Hello there, Ken,

Yes Bob sent us about 330 pamphlets and booklets that are about old cars. Vic happens to have always liked old cars so he can actually tell what year and model an old car was! Which is amazing, because this just "happens" to be what Bob does and has. ..And then we just happen to meet you and you just happen to introduce us, Of course nothing is ever a coincidence as believers know.

We offered to pay the shipping and it was a pretty penny but we are hoping to be able to recoup it plus some. If they all sold for 9.99 it would be around 3,000.00 or so. I really hope they will sell for more, and some may not sell at all. Then we have to divide the money too, at least I think we do. We'll see. Right now I am acting too much like that person of little faith I think!

By the way, we ended up buying a house in .... that was Fannie Mae owned previously. We put everything we had into it. A house for $$$$ if you can believe it. It's gonna need a new roof, which is leaking so we are hoping this new endevour (sp.?) what happened to my spell check, oh boy.. will help out with that. It's taking a while to close because they have to pay a couple of back mortgages on it. You know how the government does things! We'll be here in .... till the end of ..... just, then our lease runs out and we'll move there then.

Have I given you too much information? TMI as they say.. oh well, I do that a lot, don't I.

Thanks for your note and thanks for Bob. We just started listing them and I'll drop you a line as to our success, if that's ok.

Kind regards,
Margie

----- Original Message -----
From: Ken
To: Vic & Margie
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2011 6:21:48 PM
Subject: Hi there

I had a nice conversation with Bob Castignetti today. He told me he shipped you several thousand dollars worth of inventory to sell.
YAAAAAY!
I hope you are able to spin up to speed and sell a bunch of it.
Best of luck
Ken

Bob Grant| 10.21.11 @ 6:53PM

Wow!!

Maybe they should change the title of this article from Cain in the Cross-Hairs to Ken(Old Texican) in the Cross-Hairs...Heh.

Jerry Springer| 10.21.11 @ 7:34PM

I can book you two for one hour, name the date.

Bob Grant| 10.21.11 @ 8:16PM

Toss in a midget for good measure and you've got a deal!

Dave| 10.22.11 @ 4:03PM

Ken and Margie
Stop wasting our valuable space with your petty trailer park feud. The two of you deserve each other.
Ever hear of discretion and privacy?

Bumr50| 10.21.11 @ 10:31AM

Wow are there some people on here who think that they have influence aren't there?

I'm so glad your days are spent trolling the web in an effort to sway ALL of those idiotic "swing" voters that frequent "American Spectator.'

LMAO!

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 10:42AM

Let us hope that the Truth has the greatest influence.
The goal should be to dethrone the current dictator and replace him with a genuine President.
Those of us who care enough to defend genuine conservatives from the lies of the Left (that includes moronic Paul-bots) will continue posting here to that end.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 11:02AM

From the Patriot Post: Support Herman Cain:

http://sm.responsebeacon.com:8.....iewbrowser

Sean| 10.21.11 @ 5:14PM

Anyone who supports TARP is no patriot. They are just a thief who steals money from the taxpayer to give to their buddies.

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 11:35AM

" Alice Stewart Bachmann's communications director, noted in response to the ( Herman Cain ) comments that "Michele has always been 100 percent pro-life from conception to natural death."

"This year, more than ever, we cannot settle on a candidate who is not consistent on this critical issue," she added. "

"Probably like me, you were absolutely floored by what Herman Cain said on CNN last night," Santorum told supporters.

"I find it gravely troubling that Herman believes it's a life, but that he doesn't consider it a life worth fighting for," the former Pennsylvania senator said."

Mal_Content| 10.21.11 @ 11:51AM

Cain isn't ready. Maybe in '16.

What a sad crop of candidates to choose from.

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 11:59AM

perfect moniker...you might want to add Mal_Content_Whiner

Mal_Content_Whiner| 10.21.11 @ 12:08PM

They're questioning Cain! The end is nigh!

God forbid a candidate clarify an answer, Simon. What's next, you gonna call me a racist for daring to question Cain? I wouldn't put it past you.

It the GOP nominee can't improvise a good answer to STANDARD CONSERVATIVE QUESTION during a debate then you might as well vote for Obama, cause he will steamroll this wishy-washy goon.

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 1:43PM

See my comment below, whiner. By the way, these are not standard conservative questions. They are well crafted gotcha questions developed by Liberal MSM to trap conservatives. There is no way to answer them without offending someone and they are used as political distractions from the real and pressing issues.
They also give the candidate a whole ten seconds to answer them.

We have heard them over and over to ad nauseum every single election cycle.

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 1:45PM

Wishy-washy goon?

Yeah, you are objective and clear headed. Not.

Mal_Content| 10.21.11 @ 1:51PM

Here's a thought, Simon.

If a conservative candidate has a clear understanding of his own principles and positions (knowing the argument AND the counterargument of a position), then there are no gotcha questions.

Cain wasn't able to avoid a "trap-question" by a late-night MSNBC liberal mouthpiece...what does that say for his preparedness for this election?

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 2:50PM

Nothing.

Mal_Content| 10.21.11 @ 3:54PM

In your opinion, of course it says nothing.

You are in Cain's veal pen already, Simon. Not only are you uncritical of Cain, but you bash those who DO have questions about his positions and preparedness.

If Cain already knows that he has your vote in the bag, then why should he trouble himself with addressing your concerns in the future?

Spoiler alert: He won't.

This is how we get bad candidates, Simon, by uncritically supporting them despite doing nothing to earn that support.

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 5:11PM

Do not tell me who I am in for or supporting.
You do not have questions, you have pronoucements, slander, and misinformation.

No, this is how we help the opposition win and snatch failure from the jaws of victory.

What you are doing is quite obvious and really not clever.

You and your ilk come out here to create divisiveness and chaos, liberals and Paulbots, one in the same, to take down each conservative candidate with accusations, smears, and inuendo in the attempt to clear the field for your messiah.

You do with it all the smarminess, arrogance, and false so-called objectivity you can muster.

We can do this all day and night, but frankly you are now boring me and find you not worthy of response.

Sean| 10.21.11 @ 5:17PM

Conservatives do not support TARP.

Simon Templar| 10.23.11 @ 1:27PM

Most conservatives do not support Ron Paul. Some of his ideas perhaps, but not his candidacy. Deal with that.

Mal_Content| 10.21.11 @ 5:29PM

Quitting already, Simon? I hope Cain has a little more stamina than you do...it doesn't bode well that the Cain Pep Squad can be so easily deterred.

"You and your ilk come out here to create divisiveness and chaos, liberals and Paulbots, one in the same, to take down each conservative candidate with accusations, smears, and inuendo in the attempt to clear the field for your messiah."

Right, because preferring one candidate over another and promoting that candidate creates divisiveness and chaos....and I sound like the liberal?

"Lets all hold hands (and noses) and vote together guys! Unity within the party! No mean-spirited bickering!"
-Blue Dog Simon Templar

Simon Templar| 10.22.11 @ 8:39PM

You are nothing but a troll. You still have made nothing but smarmy pronoucements, lame denials, and half truths. Still waiting for some grown up talk to come out of you. Now, scurry off and play with yourself. You really think your worth debating, LOL. Waste of time, like talking with someones whom is 7 years old.

os| 10.22.11 @ 10:30PM

I, along with others, have shown that you are absolutely ignorant about the conservative movement in this county. Your foreign policy ideas line up with Woodrow Wilson, FDR, JFK, LBJ, Madeleine Albright, Bill and Hillary Clinton, and get this...Obama!

And now on the domestic side you support a guy who wants to add a brand new tax!

You should head on over to some lefty blog place.

Simon Templar| 10.23.11 @ 1:20PM

Well, operating sytem, you are crashed! I have a better grasp of the conservative movement precisely because I was a left winger, have seen politics on both sides of the fence and know the arguments from both directions. And what have you got...your dogmatic, ill-informed, blind spotted, knee jerkism.

You do not have a clue at to what my foreign policy beliefs are nor my understanding of anything. The fact that you would say so with such vehemence tells me that you are rather immature. My guess is that you are another Paulbot, poor Ron Paul, he really needs to disavow you. I may be wrong but your style of attack and the ridiculous assertion to appoint yourself expert as to what is conservative and not conservative thought seems to confirm it.

Even a beginner to this knows that the conservative movement has include a plethora of beliefs, policy positions, values and perspectives under a general umbrella of agreement of shared principles and directions. It damn well is not what you or the Paulbots define it as...

Please, do not quote me Ronald Reagan about Ron Paul..by now I have it practically memorized.

Frank Drackman| 10.21.11 @ 11:58AM

Cain in the "Crosshairs"????
I'm not some PC light in the loafers Homo but..
would you have used that phrase for JFK?
MLK?
how bout "Ted Kennedy Campaign Drowning in Red Ink"
"Michael J Fox campaign shuffles off to..."
"Christopher Reeves campaign paralyzed by...

Frank

Buck Ofama| 10.22.11 @ 9:56AM

The term OUGHT to be applied to the worthless assh0le in office now, Ovomit.

Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 11:59AM

Margie,
you know you love me, and I have the e-mails to prove it.
Sorry you feel like thhe "woman scorned", but I am already happily married to a wonderful Christian woman.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 12:13PM

Post them, liar.

Frank Drackman| 10.21.11 @ 12:47PM

Margie Baby,
Kens just a frustrated wanna-be who gets off braggin about his fleet of imaginary corporate jets, and his Wonderful Christian Woman.
And when ever a dude uses "Wonderful" in describing an XX, its just code for "weighs over 200lbs"...
Frank

Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 4:09PM

Frank,
I have flown mostly single engine Bellancas for the last thirty years. Dim-bulb, heh, Bellancas are not jets.
They only cruise at 220 mph. Interestingly enough though when flying into small airfields close to my final destinations, and without all the big airport waiting times, rent a car delays, and baggage times etc. I can usually be in a meeting more quickly a thousand miles away than if I flew in a non-stop jet.

PS: learn to spell and write a declarative sentence. You might garner more credibility here.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 4:55PM

Respectability you say?

The Truth is on my side, liar.

REPENT.

Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 4:00PM

Margie, see above.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 1:21PM

We're still waiting for the emails, Ken.
You egotistical whack job.
And in the meantime, I will post your threatening e mails to me.

Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 4:10PM

You have my permission, Margie.

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 12:08PM

So, frigin what!

When are conservatives going to STOP listening to the criticism and propagnada of the LEFT.
You are going to judge the basis of YOUR candidates on the anwers to gotcha questions of some frigin left wing talking head?

Really, what the hell is a matter with you people?
Do you not remember the dozens of crazy, stupid, screw ups Obama made during his campaign?

You keep this stupid self destructive bullshit going neverthess.

You do not seem to want to recognize that the electorate reall does not give a rats ass about these mispoken incidents.

Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 12:16PM

Simon,
Well spoken.

George S| 10.21.11 @ 12:27PM

Exactly right. Obama and the Democrats face a serious hurt at the ballot box next year. Their only hope is to get the Republicans in-fighting about abortion, school prayer, gay marriage and other distractions so as to give Democrats a foot hold on the debate.

Every answer to abortion should be "that's a distraction... here is why ObamaCare gives the government the power to determine your time of death."

Mal_Content| 10.21.11 @ 12:43PM

What the TAS commentariat is asking conservatives to believe:

Instead of asking Cain hard questions to determine his qualifications and preparedness for being President, we should just click our heels and HOPE that our seemingly unqualified candidate is a CHANGE from the rest of the professional GOP pols.

There's a winning strategy if I've ever seen one. Let's hope that Herman can get the script down in time!

We don't get better candidates by kissing their boo-boos when the mean media turns on them, we get better candidates by holding their feet to the fire when they waffle on softball questions like this.

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 1:36PM

No, what the TAS commentariat wants is for the Republicans and conservatives to start controlling their own message and narrative and not leave it up to their opposition to run their debates, define the narratives, ask the questions, and sandbag their candidates.

What the TAS commentariat wants is conservatives to ask the real hard questions to the conservatives, develop the nararative, enhance the brand and message of conservativism and vet their own candidates rather than let their political enemies who have no vested interest other than distorting and misinforming.

What the TAS commentariat wants is for conservatives to wake up and stop falling for the same old tricks and traps that the left wing rolls out every election cycle.

What the TAS commentariat wants is conservative media to do more effective analysis, research, and background checks on all it candidates and not leave this up to the left wing media and allow them to have the last word on the matter.

What the TAS commentariat wants is trolls like you to shut and roll away because you offer nothing but cynicism, smarmy remarks, arrogance, and very little original thought.

Mal_Content| 10.21.11 @ 1:46PM

If you want conservatives to control the narrative, then you probably shouldn't automatically throw your support behind someone who can't even HANDLE the narrative without looking unprepared and amateurish.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 2:25PM

To the perverse, all things are perverse.

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 4:25PM

To Bigot Margie With Her Bigot Hammer, All Things Are Nails.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 4:56PM

There is none so perverted who posts here as you.
The entire World knows that.

Mike Hawk| 10.23.11 @ 9:19AM

You are an expert, Mr Bigot??

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 2:43PM

I think you should change the name to Mal_Adjusted.

You apparently did not 'hear' a word I wrote.
Like all liberal, liberal trolls, and Paulbots, you distract and sidestep the points brought up by your opposition and return to the vomit of your argument like a dog.

He has handled most of these ambushes quite well. That is good enough for the rest of us. In fact, I think most all have handled the liberal MSM as best as they can.

You still can not get it through your thick head that our candidates do not have to handle a smarmy, sneaky, and biased liberal talking head's questions to prove their leadership qualities or readiness for the Presidency. Who died and made these frigin liberals the arbitrators of morality, the social order, and now who is qualified to be president of the US?

Now, you are one of two things, a liberal troll or a Paulbot. I do not see much difference but if you are a Paulbot you really are a thick headed idiot.

Now, Ron Paul has to face this same rigged game and biased manipulating media and liberal infrastructure which is dedicated to distorting his record, his ideas, and his message. He like all human beings can make mistakes and at times can be trapped in one of these liberal idiotic question mazes like anyone else. Shall we throw him overboard if he does and allow the liberal MSM to pick our candidate?

Shall we extrapolate all kinds of inferences and meanings from the 1o second sound bites and these ambush interviews. Shall we throw up our arms and say, well he is now finished! Goodbye, Ron, sorry, but we care more about what Joe Scarborough and Maddow think than you do.
Gee, Paul, our candidate has done 12 dozen of these interviews and 90 percent of them he has avoided their traps and games. Oh, no, jimminy crickets, he misspoke and did not say everything perfectly right! He does not read the politically correct magazines and books! Well, we should just go right down there and apologize to Maddow and the bunch and say we are sorry for wasting their time and putting up such a worthless candidate. We will try to do better next time!

Get it, now?

Mal_Content| 10.21.11 @ 3:23PM

"That is good enough for the rest of us."

"Good enough" is not good enough for me, Simon.

I want for great, and prepared, and ideologically consistent.

"Now, Ron Paul has to face this same rigged game and biased manipulating media and liberal infrastructure which is dedicated to distorting his record, his ideas, and his message. He like all human beings can make mistakes and at times can be trapped in one of these liberal idiotic question mazes like anyone else. Shall we throw him overboard if he does and allow the liberal MSM to pick our candidate?"

Appearently you already have thrown him overboard, Simon.

"Like all liberal, liberal trolls, and Paulbots..."

So you wan't me to cut Cain slack because the MSM badgers him "unfairly", but you badger RP quite frequently (trolls, nuts, kooks, liberals, Paultards, Paulistas) on this board and call his supporters all manner of names...and you don't see any problem with that at all, in fact you participate without hesitation.

Cain is unprepared, Simon, and I don't say that out of malice or partisanship...I say it because I want Obama gone and I don't think Cain is up to the task of defeating him.

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 4:47PM

I am not throwing anyone overboard. You are.
When you are done trashing Cain, you will start on the next one. Apparently, you do not understand the concept of sarcasm to make a point nor did you understand anything in my example of Ron Paul, it could have been anyone, to illustrate the rigged, ridiculous, and uselessness of this election process particularly as it relates to conservatives who allow the MSM to pick apart and pick our candidates. Too hard for you to grasp?

Well, great, it is not good enough for you today but I can bet that you will be protesting this if Ron Paul starts moving up in the polls and he is ambushed with some ridiculous interview.

What you want amounts to a pile of horsedung. I have never badgered Ron Paul. I do not waste my time repeating lame MSM talking points about conservatives. I HAVE "badgered" his crazy, immature, vindictive, and often offensive supporters on this blog that do him a terrible injustice.

I have never attacked but defended myself and others from their assaults, lies, distortions, and name calling. I do not use the words you listed except perhaps, Paulbots and idiots, when you act like an idiot and programmed robot.

You do say it out of malice, right, goon?
You are not in any position to judge anything about a candidates preparedness. You can't even address my arguments or refutations of your statements. Yes, they were statements, blitherings, not arguments.

Mal_Content| 10.21.11 @ 5:20PM

Where are these alleged arguments and refutations, Simon?

"The big bad MSM hates Herman and my butt hurts about it!" is not an argument...it is you bitching because the media doesn't show your preferred candidate in the light you want.

Well guess what, Simon. I agree with them. I don't think Cain is ready either.

"You are not in any position to judge anything about a candidates preparedness."

Um, yeah I am Simon. I'm a citizen and a voter.

Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 3:24PM

Why are Cain supporters so mean & nasty? Could it be Cain's on words are driving them as crazy as he's starting to sound?

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 4:57PM

Mean and nasty? What is your middle name, Nancy? Well, don't get your little knickers in a twist over our meaness and nastiness.

Its old and lame and quite frankly effeminate, Clinton. You trolls get on these blogs, make ridiculous non-backed assertions, accusations, and pronoucements, attack, distract, name call, and project. Then, when someone challenges your diatribes and pronouncements, you cry about how nasty and mean they are.

LOL. Actually, you gave yourself away there.
No self respecting conservative woman or man would complain about "nasty and mean," only a liberal troll.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 5:58PM

"Mean & Nasty" are the ones who speak the truth.
End of story!

Mike Hawk| 10.23.11 @ 9:17AM

Why are you such a racist and anti-Semite, Mr Paulbot??

Dave| 10.22.11 @ 4:07PM

What's with this Paul-bot word? You are the one that wants all conservatives to stop attacking each other to defeat Obama, but you attack Paul supporters by using this stupid word some idiot on this site made up. Practice what you preach.

Simon Templar| 10.22.11 @ 8:47PM

The shoe fits, Dave. Every man has a right to defend himself. I did not attack anyone. They did.
That was the point, Dave, they continually ran their smear campaigns, offended everyone on these blogs, and acted like cult members defending their messiah. Practice using your brain, Dave, and looking at the whole truth not just what you want to see. Try reading through the whole thread.

Simon Templar| 10.22.11 @ 8:52PM

You are the Dave that hates religion, right... and makes smarmy remarks about people of faith?

Dave| 10.22.11 @ 10:10PM

no.
who runs the smear campaign.

Simon Templar| 10.23.11 @ 12:57PM

Thanks for the clarification, I respect your honesty.

Dave| 10.23.11 @ 1:48PM

Simon,
You and the Cain/Perry/Bachman supporters are making a mistake attacking Ron Paul supporters asn anti semites and racists, and attacking Romney supporters as RINO's. You can disagree on policy but the anti semitic charges are stupid. You may be basing these charges on the comments of a few here such as Jack and Clint, and at the constant attacks by Occam's Tool on those two, but even if you take their charges as anti semitic, you shouldn't generalize across the board. Stick to the individuals. All you guys are doing is antagonizing conservatives who like Paul. This is good only for Obama.
It is the same if conservatives describe the Cain supporters as anti catholic bigots because of the comments of Margie.
I offer these in the spirit of constructive criticism and not a personal attack on you. I agree with much of your stuff, but not all.

Jeff N.| 10.21.11 @ 1:05PM

The establishment Republicans are scared of him, and the Leftists are unhinged because of him. Why? Because he's offering real common sense solutions to the econimic holocoust we are now in due to this (and previous) administrations. People are drawn to him because they're tired of the lip service of the past and see a potential canidate who can guide us out of this dark time. We're not concerned about a few "Stumbling Blocks" during a debate or interview. We just want leadership and believe Mr. Cain is right for the job.

Sean| 10.21.11 @ 5:23PM

Yeah you don't get more establishment than endorsing Romney and TARP.

Clinton| 10.21.11 @ 3:14PM

Former Cain water carrier conservative Jennifer Rubin discovers Herman Cain's 9-9-9 is a liberal regressive tax increase. People are starting to wise up about the the Great Pretender.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/....._blog.html

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 3:24PM

Cain's 9-9-9 Plan Is A Non-Starter.

Conservatives Will Never Allow Big Government To Have A National Sales Tax & An Income Tax.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 10.21.11 @ 4:00PM

"The Civil Rights Act of 1964 is non-starter." -- Some idiot like you in 1964

Conservatives would never allow 40,000 pages of tax code either. Or a 4 trillion dollar budget. But guess what, Einstein, we already have it. At least its movement in the right direction.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 10.21.11 @ 4:02PM

Taxes Conservatives would never allow.

-Capital Gains
-Gasoline Tax
-Cigarette Tax
-Alcohol Tax
-FEDERAL income tax
-FICA/Payroll Tax
-Medicare Tax

Get over your talking points. You seem rather dense.

os| 10.21.11 @ 4:51PM

Tell that to Rick Perry who increased cigarette taxes and pretty much placed an income tax on businesses. Hell he even taxed the internet!

Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 4:22PM

Personally, I think very highly of Herman Cain.
I'm just afraid he is going to get his lunch "ate" in the cesspool of DC.

I would hope and pray that Mr. Perry has a chance to go up there and clean house and kick butt.
Heh, we Texans are "ungovernable" but he has served honorably and successfully here.

I had hoped Sarah would run. She and Rick were my dream ticket.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 4:59PM

Right, You think very highly of Herman Cain. Except for the Racist comment you made about it being a pity about replacing one Black President with another, and about how low we would be stooping, or some such thing like that.

You're so utterly disingenuous it's pathetic.

Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 6:10PM

Margie,
I think it is sad that some folks want Cain because we can avoid the rassssssssse issue. and NO! I WILL NOT MARRY YOU! I HAVE A LOVELY WIFE.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 6:15PM

Well, I am a Christian who is also has a handsome husband and I never wanted to Marry you. And you still haven't posted this despicable accusation.

In fact. you told me to not let him see our posts when you said you wanted to counsel me.

You're insane.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 6:22PM

From: 1-bean@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: AmSpec
Date: June 30, 2010 2:28:49 PM EDT
To: vicandmarj@verizon.net
From: 1-bean@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: AmSpec
Date: June 30, 2010 2:28:49 PM EDT

Love ya, Margie: Today I posted...

Another one. Hmmmm. Just WHOM IS THE WEIRDO HERE, FOLKS?

What is Ken trying to HIDE or COVER?
Sick.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 6:38PM

From: Ken
Subject: my post on amspec
Date: April 22, 2010 6:15:21 PM EDT
To: Vic & Margie
Ken (Old Texican)| 4.22.10 @ 4:28PM

Awww shucks, Margie.
Thanks...but I THINK the amspec guys are trying to experiment with cutting off yah yah arguments.
We shall see.
New posts are never deleted...so far...just the "reply" function
We need your thoughts here.
Ken

Lady, don't give up. Love yah.
Ken

OH MY! IT'S LOVE!!!!

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 6:50PM

That ISN'T what you said about Cain, either.

You said this:

Ken (Old Texican)| 10.4.11 @ 12:46PM

yOU KNOW,

It's a hell of a note that our only response to a black President is a black competitor.

That is sorta' scary, folks.

HEY...Mr. Cain can't get those votes. Not in a million years.

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 7:39PM

From: Ken
Subject: Re: Attitudes
Date: December 16, 2009 10:00:37 PM EST
To: Vic & Margie
Marjorie
I love you lady.
I am getting ready to send out an electronic Christmas Card to every one I know.
You get it first because your email popped up before I could send it.

~~~~

Can't you just feel the Love?
LOL!

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 4:23PM

Diiiihhhhh !

There Wasn't A Tea Party Then.

Let's See How Far You Caniacs & Your Shuck & Jive Frontman Cain Get With TARP Recipient Wells Fargo Division Employee, Rich lowrie's 9-9-9, now Cain Labeled 9-0-9 Plan , Sport.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Bob Grant| 10.21.11 @ 4:24PM

A rassist?

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 4:51PM

Uh Oh !

Grant Is Lookin' For His Race Card.

Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 6:14PM

cLIT,
You are becoming a very sad joke here.

Bob Grant| 10.21.11 @ 6:56PM

You got an End The Fed rally to attend?

RUSH BOT 1| 10.21.11 @ 4:34PM

Everybody just calm down! We'll figure all this out when Rush tells us who to support.

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 4:49PM

Go Feed The Squirrels In The Park, Brooks.

Simon Templar| 10.21.11 @ 5:14PM

Clint, leave Alec Baldwin alone, stop stalking him, and go to your AA meeting tonight.

Mal_Content| 10.21.11 @ 5:32PM

Calling someone a drunk is so divisive, Simon!

Think about the conservative community!

Clint| 10.21.11 @ 8:25PM

Uh Oh !

It's The Israel Firster Crybaby Simian Pimpler.

http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/.....people.jpg

Dan| 10.21.11 @ 6:51PM

Cain seems to be very likeable and although I would vote for a non politician, he will never get my vote as long as he continues to push his 999 program, which if ever enacted into law will shortly become the 15-15-15 program.

BackToBasics| 10.21.11 @ 11:57PM

So many act as if 9-9-9 would be codified the moment he is sworn in. It's a starting point. So many who say they would never vote for Cain with this plan will then turn around and admit that they will hold their nose and vote for Romney who will no doubt keep almost all of the current tax code mess in place.

Why the double-standard for Cain?

If it was 2008 and Cain had the same race and background and ability to speak well on stage and during interviews except that he was liberal, the Dems would have swooned even more over him. The Dems candidates were all far left in 2008 but if they had a liberal Cain, I think Hillary would have dropped out long before she did with Obam. If such a candidate had been elected, the Republicans would not be able to defeat him in 2012. Thank God the Democrats got someone of much lesser abilities.

I heard a conservative talk show host the other day say that Cain should be put under the most strict spotlight of all the candidates since he had more to prove than the other candidates because he had not held a previous elected government position. That's more double-standard nonsense from someone who's more RINO than he will publicly admit.

Dan| 10.22.11 @ 7:21PM

This RINO business is a lot of crap. Does it mean if one is not a conservative they can't be a Republican? I hope not, because if it does we will see four more years of Obama.

BackToBasics| 10.23.11 @ 12:55AM

If you don't want to see 4 more years of Obam, then vote for Cain if he gets the nomination. Don't use that arguement with me when you are the one who said you'd never vote for Cain if he continues with his 9-9-9 plan. He is using a simple slogan that everyone can understand and one to get the ball rolling on cutting government spending and make a more business-freindly climate in America. He has said as much. He knows it's a only starting point.

I have said previously that I'd vote for even Romney if he was the candiate but I certainly do not support him in the primaries when there are better alternatives. But RINOs, who love big government almost as much as Democrats will fight Cain all the way and then not vote for Cain if he gets the nomination because he's not sold out to the Republican establishment.

BackToBasics| 10.23.11 @ 1:05AM

That's why they atre called RINO's, because they will not vote for a fellow Republican if he is too conservative or too "Christian."

Bob| 10.21.11 @ 9:11PM

Cain was caned by his answer on abortion. Cain attempted a Romney...yes he is pro-life but no he really isn't. That just won't sit well with certain radioactive elements in the Republican Party. So what's left? Social liberal Bane Romney? Heartless Gardasil Perry? Michele? Who recently flunked the Iowa Test of Basic Skills third grade level history and geography? Who?

Simon Templar| 10.23.11 @ 12:37PM

Bob, not all of us are programmed idiots. We can actually see through your liberal manipulations, half truth, and distortions. Let us never forget the false premises. Bob, 38 percent and falling. You and Gary should get together and change each others diapers. By the way, are not diapers now paid for by the federal government and a new right?

Margie| 10.21.11 @ 10:48PM

Washington Times Reporting:

Cain tops field again in Nevada GOP straw poll

http://www.washingtontimes.com.....traw-poll/

POST American| 10.21.11 @ 10:53PM

-------------------------CAIN------------------------------
-------------------------is the------------------------------
-------------------ROT-child USURY-------------------
--------------------------FED------------------------------

----------------------STEER CLEAR!

Clinton| 10.22.11 @ 1:45AM

If Cain is the nominee can real conservatives swallow their principles and vote for this closet liberal who supports abortion, gay marriage, gun control, freeing GITMO terrorists, allowing American born terrorists to go free, turning our foreign policy over to Henry Kissinger, raising 84% of Americans taxes, using tax payer money to bailout his big business cronies, expanding the IRS to collect his Nancy Pelosi inspired national slaes tax and basically lying to voters whenever he feels like it? I know the Canites don't care if Cain is a liberal they love him, becuase he's so "genuine and nice," but what will conservatives do? Maybe we could draft Sarah Palin, Jim DeMint, Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio next year at the convention in Florida.

Simon Templar| 10.23.11 @ 12:40PM

Clinton, you would be better if you spent your time focusing on your messiah and what he is going to do. If that is too strenuos than I suggest getting yourself on a greyhound to NYC and joining the other half of the brain dead liberals.

gary siebel| 10.22.11 @ 2:23AM

Well Am Spec, you haven't even touched on the points that would undo ol' Hermie in the general election, assuming he gets to that level, which is doubtful.

Can you say, "Supersize" me? Hermie has bad eating habits and he presents us with a tax plan that sounds like a Burger King advertisement -- the only thing that prevents a destructive SatNtLv parody (a la Palin) is that he is black, so their political correctness acts as an inhibitor.

Cain is precisely the kind of character to whom evangelicals are always and forever vulnerable because he supposedly validates what they want to believe is true, even though he is clearly (like Obama) an exception to the rules of probability. How many affairs has he had? Women just love his kind of voice, which has deprived countless evangelicals of their life savings.

Obama's gonna win.

Dave| 10.22.11 @ 4:09PM

Obama will beat Perry, Cain, Bachman, Santorum, but it will be close with Newt or Romney.

victor| 10.23.11 @ 2:29AM

Only if Obama weasels out of any debates with Cain or Newt.

They would wipe the proverbial floor with him.

They both know stuff and have done far more stuff than Barry O'Bama could ever dream of.

Simon Templar| 10.23.11 @ 12:32PM

Good ol' Gary, where you been troll? Busy crapping your pants and changing you liberal diaper? Thirty eight percent and falling, Gary!

How many affairs has he had?
Really you can do better than that, you might try recycling the load of shit some of the Paulbots here cycle through on Cain. Save you a lot of trouble...

martin j smith| 10.23.11 @ 8:07AM

Lets see why is Cain in the cross hairs ? He is a threat that is why.

To the Establishment Republicans he is a Tea Party--er and thus a threat to them. To the Socialists, he is an articulate and successful black businessman who challenges their perceptions of black Americans and challenges Obama on so many levels, race the least of it. So--why the mystery ?

Nixonfan| 10.23.11 @ 11:34AM

First, he didn't exist. Then, he was a curiosity (a black pizza-making conservative). Next, he was a protest vote (the black Bachmann). Now he's an unserious gaffe-meister. Since the front-runner can no longer be easily ignored, he has to be handled in any way other than as a serious contender because, like the Easter Bunny, there is no such thing as a black conservative. And what's best: the man is pure teflon. Nothing sticks. I can see the oppo boys at the NYT, DNC and WaPo as they realize to their horror: "There's nothing here! We have nothing!" The next amusement will be the major hit piece. "Disgruntled former Godfathers employees say Cain ignored grievances".

Simon Templar| 10.23.11 @ 12:54PM

To Ken and Margie:

At the risk of being dismissed and ridiculed for wanting unity over unnecessary and self detructive divisiveness, may I suggest you guys talk this over on the phone and not here.

I have been coming out to this site for nearly three years and have read your comments and have become to know both of you, and what is important to you, your values, and your love for this country.

I think both of you are interesting people that have a great deal to offer in this fight. You should not be working against each other. I do not know the particulars that got this feud going but I do not need to know. One thing seems true. Both of you are more than capable of clearing the air and pushing this aside. Please do. We need you both in this fight focused on the target.

Sincerely,

ST

Margie| 10.24.11 @ 10:05PM

Simon,

You're a good man. I appreciate what you said, however, Ken undertook to slander me here, and to turn everyone against me. Short of a lawsuit against him, I have NO CHOICE but to defend myself here.

I could just go away, but why should I? Because he wants me to?
He needs to repent and come clean, but he's so arrogant, I don't think he has any plans on it.

There are some reprobate Christians that cannot bear others standing on Scripture. He's one of them. I hit a little too close to home for him, and so he set out to try and destroy me.

Sorry, but till he quits his pathetic behavior, I'll continue to blast his ever loving socks off.

POST American| 10.23.11 @ 10:16PM

------------------BOTTOMLESS LINE------------------

SUB--Mitt ROME--knee is a Globalist

TTT--Rick PAIR--heee is a Bilderberg
oppurtunist, EUGENICS enabler, and
sided with the 'Break their wills', TSA
outrage --against the good people of
Texas

---and---

----------------------HER--MAN-------------------------
-------------------------CAIN------------------------------
----------------------------is--------------------------------
-------------------David Rockefeller's-------------------

--------------------------MAN-----------------------------

In this, the 11th hour of the swiftly
CON--solid--ating Globalist-RED China
sellout and WORLD TREASON OP,
and in this, the opening salvo of 'aggressive'
depopulation ----------

-------------YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED-------------

-----------HUAC meets NUREMBERG 2012---------

ole meanie| 10.25.11 @ 12:02PM

Cain is the next Obama. Whereas Obama "wrote" a memoir, Cain ran a fast-food chain. Both had no experience in governing. Both have nothing to offer but rhetoric. Both are appreciated--though by different constituencies--mainly because of their race. If elected, Cain will be the Republican Obama.

Jackpine Savage | 10.28.11 @ 1:36PM

The posts by the Paulites on this thread exemplify exactly why I will NEVER VOTE for Ron Paul. You idiot paulites spew the same hateful garbage that the lefty trolls have spewed on conservative blogs for years, then you expect us to take your hero seriously??? I think not.

You can tell a lot about a candidate by the people who support him, and from what I have seen over the years of the Cult of Paul, There is NO way in hell I want that little hand grenade anywhere near the oval office. Paulbots = Nuts therefore Paul is Nuts.

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