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Alinsky to Obama to Occupiers
A president in his element.
Civil unrest is President Barack Obama’s crutch, his comfort zone, and his trump card. That’s why he has encouraged the “Occupy Wall Street” protest and its progeny across the country, despite significant political dangers to him for doing so. Closer looks at Obama’s career roots and at the protesters’ behaviors help explain both why the protests are worrisome developments and why the president actually likes them.
First, it helps to understand just how radical most of these protesters are — and just how obscene. Clearly, they are mostly socialist or communist in orientation. And reports are rampant about the lewdness, vileness, and illegality that has marked the Wall Street “occupation” zone, including plenteous drugs, public nudity and sex, and defecation on police cars. A lot of this isn’t free speech; it’s open law-breaking.
So why does Obama applaud it, when he repeatedly castigated Tea Party demonstrators who lawfully secured permits, usually behaved with remarkable decorum, and cleaned up after themselves?
The answer is easy: This is Obama’s milieu. This is how he was trained. As Ryan Lizza explained in a definitive piece in the New Republic — a liberal magazine, not a right-wing/anti-Obama hit factory — Obama’s intellectual roots and career choices made him a student of, and later actually an instructor in, the particular mass-movement methods taught by the late, radical, Saul Alinsky. The sort of unrest seen in the anti-Wall Street movement comes directly out of Alinsky’s secular bible called Rules for Radicals.
“The first step in community organization is community disorganization,” wrote Alinsky. “The disruption of the present organization is the first step toward community organization…. The organizer dedicated to changing the life of a particular community must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community…. When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an ‘agitator’ they are completely correct, for that is, on one word, your function — to agitate to the point of conflict.”
Alinsky hardly was squeamish about using filth to get his way. “If your organization is too tiny even for noise, stink up the place.” Later, he gave a fictitious but oh-so-literal example of one way to do it: He suggested that protesters gorge on beans before occupying a public building so that their — uh, their natural emissions — would literally create a stench. “In a fight almost anything goes,” he wrote. “It almost reaches the point where you stop to apologize if a chance blow lands above the belt.” Alinsky openly and exuberantly belittled the notion of ethics. All that mattered, he said, was whether your side is losing or winning. Only afterwards do you try to find an excuse for your illicit behavior: “The tenth rule of the ethics of means and ends is that you do what you can with what you have and [then] clothe it with moral garments.”
To be clear, nobody suggests Obama is personally orchestrating the various “Occupy” demonstrations. Then again, he doesn’t need to. The Occupiers are receiving financial help or organizational muscle from many of his associates or major supporters, including several union bosses of the sort who just weeks ago pledged to “take these [SOBs] out” of commission. Despite Obama’s eloquent words earlier this year demanding milder rhetoric and more carefully calibrated political actions, he has not uttered a peep in admonishment of the increasingly virulent language, not to mention lawless actions such as attempting to physically “take over” public buildings.
Critics have noted that the protesters often can’t even define what they are protesting, or that their “issues” are such a diverse hodgepodge as to be unintelligible. Again, this is straight from Alinsky’s playbook. The organizer, he wrote, “should search for and use the wrong reasons to achieve the right goals. He should be able, with skill and calculation, to use irrationality in his attempts to progress to a rational world. For a variety of reasons the organizer must develop multiple issues…. Multiple issues mean constant action and life.”
What Obama particularly likes about this disruptive movement is that its only universally acknowledged target is the one he himself provided: Wall Street. He’s the one who repeatedly gave the marching order against corporate bogeymen. As Alinsky wrote in his most famous rule of all: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” This is exactly what Obama himself tried to do as a community organizer in Chicago. It is what he has done every step of the way as campaigner and as president, always finding someone to blame or be against: George W. Bush, greedy corporations, millionaires, Republican congressmen, or people who “cling to guns or religion.”
The problem with Saul Alinsky — and for the protesters who still, knowingly or unknowingly, do his work — was that nothing was sacred. Rules for Radicals is, in Alinsky’s own words, officially dedicated to “the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”
Alinsky seemed to mean the dedication to be funny. But it’s no laughing matter, and neither are protests that violate common decency.
About the Author
Quin Hillyer is a senior editor of The American Spectator and a senior fellow at the Center for Individual Freedom. Follow him on Twitter @QuinHillyer.
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Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 10.21.11 @ 6:21AM
You forgot the most important point.
One thing that Saul Alinsky and Obama and the OWS supplicants have in common is that they hate the Constitution and the rule of law.
The rule of law prevents them from the outright seizure of wealth. Instead they work for the redistribution of wealth.
tsd| 10.21.11 @ 9:53AM
And why is it that the ones that want to take from others never want to give they're own?? Thief's are thief's, out right seizure or redistribution... are just a play on words by our current liberals.
Alan Brooks| 10.21.11 @ 11:49AM
Hillyer is a liar: he is exaggerating the negatives. Plus, the OWS protesters are anarcho-syndicalist, not socialist/communist.
Alan Brooks| 10.21.11 @ 11:51AM
What would be good is if OWS protesters ruin the GOP convention in Florida next summer- to spare us another McCain.
JimP| 10.21.11 @ 12:31PM
"Anarcho-syndicalist"? LOL. You are playing word games, Alan. Socialism= anarachy and communism= the syndicate that forms to bring order to the anarchy brought about by socialism. Thus, it's all the same.
Alan Brooks| 10.21.11 @ 12:53PM
At any rate, I hope protesters spoil next summer's GOP convention.
JimP| 10.21.11 @ 1:03PM
I hope they "spoil" it too, because by protesting a la the NYC/Wall Street protests they will be creating more GOP voters and making more Tea Party converts, just like the '68 protestors did at Chicago and around the rest of the nation with their protests.
Margie| 10.21.11 @ 1:58PM
Check this out:
http://swordattheready.files.w.....morons.jpg
JimP| 10.21.11 @ 2:00PM
ROTFL. Thanks, Margie.
Margie| 10.21.11 @ 2:07PM
My pleasure.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 10.21.11 @ 3:43PM
I got a good laugh off of it also.
That should be posted as the article photo.
cuban pete| 10.21.11 @ 4:15PM
Good catch, JimP.
I recall a letter to the editor of some magazine or newspaper wherein the writer complained he was watching the "protesters" guarantee the election of Richard Nixon.
JimP| 10.21.11 @ 5:54PM
Funny how their adolescent temper tantrums brought about their bete noir- NIXON as President. I'm still laughing about that one. How long's it been? 43 years?
Patrick| 10.21.11 @ 11:02PM
Before you can be a leftist, you have to have your sense of irony surgically removed.
Alan Brooks| 10.22.11 @ 5:07PM
"just like the '68 protestors did at Chicago and around the rest of the nation with their protests."
Another Nixon? that'll shake things up!
"all we are sayyyyyying is no more Cheney"
Alan Brooks| 10.22.11 @ 5:11PM
You miss the point! Nixon led to Carter
who in turn led led to Reagan.
Aren't you happy?
Geez.
JimP| 10.24.11 @ 9:47AM
LOL Was that your point with all your statements about OWS, Hillary and disrupting the GOP convention? That you want no more Chanies? Why not just say that in the first place? Why must people always breakout their super secret decoder rings to determine what your points/complaints really are? And why are YOU frustrated, Alan: "Geez"?
Of course I am happy that Obama is fulfilling Rush's hopes [of failure], but I wasn't complaining, I was celebrating the OWS crowd's masterful achievement of alienating even more people, faster than Obama himself has been doing. Bravo to them.
Say, do you actually read the comments people make or do you just scan them, focusing on a word here and a word there and then fire off one of your bizarro world comments/replies?
jan| 10.24.11 @ 2:11PM
It will BACKFIRE big time , moron
Stan Redmond| 10.21.11 @ 4:53PM
You sound like the constitutional peasant in Monty Python's Holy Grail. You haven't been paying attention. There are plenty of openly communists running around these occupations.
Dennis| 10.21.11 @ 11:06PM
Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you?
Mike| 10.22.11 @ 12:58PM
Listen, strange women lying around ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
True executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!
Alan Brooks| 10.22.11 @ 5:14PM
..."some moistened bing"? you like that kinda stuff, eh?
Or the grossly obese guy vomiting from the " 'wafur' thin mint" in MPTMOL.
Your style? yup.
JmsA| 10.22.11 @ 5:28PM
That's what you think.
bottes ugg bailey button 1873 | 10.21.11 @ 6:34AM
remember.
Timothy L. Pennell| 10.21.11 @ 9:08AM
I'm looking at the Picture, and I'm wondering. Is there something going on there, that, if you show up on Wall Street, looking like Woody Allen, you get a free Handkerchief?
Alan Brooks| 10.21.11 @ 11:54AM
If the OWS protesters were really malcontents these protests would have occurred 10 years ago, the protesters waited until things got really bad-- which is not unreasonable.
TrueBlue| 10.21.11 @ 1:13PM
Waited until things got really bad and then made them worse. If all you are is against something, but don't know what you want, then your opinion means exactly NOTHING. Without a goal it is just protesting for the sake of protesting, an excuse to break the law and hide behind a mob to prevent from being punished.
What truly cracks me up about the various Occupy groups is how they complain about having their things stolen.
Patrick| 10.21.11 @ 11:10PM
$5,500 Macs for instance. What a waste of money, and on a stupid, spoiled brat. I guess this is to be expected of these trendy rich kids going on about how much they suffer in their parent's basement. I guess that Masters Degree in underwater basket-weaving didn't pan out.
Alan Brooks| 10.22.11 @ 5:17PM
"but don't know what you want"
I want (pay attention, please) no more Bushian lapdogs in the White House. But you will elect another one next year or in '16-- or at the latest in 2020.
Alan Brooks| 10.22.11 @ 5:19PM
You talk Reagan but walk Rove,
er, I mean, Bush.
You go through the motions of reducing govt.
Doctor_X| 10.21.11 @ 7:12AM
I remember reading about this in history class. It was the unit on the 1960’s…and look what happened with that! A decade of decline called the 1970’s.
Pecos Pete| 10.21.11 @ 7:16AM
If King O was not president, he would be a leader of OWS NY. I expect to see him there in February 2013.
If we think Jimmy Carter is a bit strange, just wait until ex-pres O starts community organizing.
oldfart| 10.21.11 @ 7:59AM
I know a number of people who are so disgusted with what is going on, who also voted for the Pretender-In-Chief, that they have changed their party affiliation to Independent rather than be associated with the Animal Farm of Clowns that now passes for the Democratic Party.
Nunya| 10.21.11 @ 9:28AM
I changed to independent as well, only because I'm fed up with the current leadership in the Republican party, and the RNC specifically. They're nothing more than ruling party leftists, in my opinion. Go down the same track as the communists in the Democrap party, just not as fast....
Margie| 10.21.11 @ 10:04AM
Nah, the Zero won't have to get his hands dirty anymore. After he's dethroned, he'll be sitting home while Moochelle's out shopping, watching re-runs of his tele-prompter speeches and living off his pension for life.
More undeserved tax payers money.
SpiralArchitect| 10.21.11 @ 7:07PM
Zero is a multimillionaire. Pension is irrelevant.
It would be really interesting to see Zero (re-)distrubute some of his 'wealth' instead of the taxpayers money.
JmsA| 10.22.11 @ 5:30PM
Don't forget: He'll probably go on the dupe talk circuit, a la Clinton.
JimH| 10.21.11 @ 11:18AM
I can't even organize his sock drawer.
JimH| 10.21.11 @ 1:17PM
I = He. Bad typeing skills today.
Margie| 10.21.11 @ 1:59PM
He can't even choose the right colors.
Nancy in NC| 10.21.11 @ 7:20AM
Hopefully this strategy will backfire on Obama. One thing for sure, he would never have involved himself personally in anything remotely like OWS...he prefers other to do the dirty work...typical of mob bosses. Hire your minions to break kneecaps.
Mimi| 10.21.11 @ 7:35AM
Soon the snow and ice and cold will come to the PARK!
Has anyone thought of the health and welfare of the " Occupiers"
The Occupier in the Whitehouse could stop this with a word! If only he would act like a leader not one of the "KIDS"
Enough with re-election...honor the oath....
The city officials , who allow this to go on day and night should be replaced. Protest in the DAYTIME only. It is their job to protect the public, The occupiers are in someones family, sons and daughters of probably worried folks.
We should concentrate our energies on getting the "NEW" Occupier of the Whitehouse!
Larry| 10.21.11 @ 7:42AM
Where is Hurricane Irene when we really need her?
Tankrtrash| 10.21.11 @ 8:01AM
Welcome to the party Mr Hillyer, this has been evident, for anyone willing to look, since before he was elected.
This administration is filled with Alinsky disciples engaged in a very well orchestrated and coordinated plan to circumvent and undermine the Constitution.
Think 'Fast and Furious'. Wasn't it around the time that fiasco was being implemented, that the President and Secretary of State Clinton (ardent student of Alinsky) were spewing forth that 90% of the guns in Mexico were coming from the USA? A classic Alinsky ploy and frankly, the only explanation that makes sense when considering the illegality and unconstitutional aspects of this operation. What's the old Alinsky saw "By any means necessary"?
Now we have OWS being coordinated with the unions, Holder's DOJ providing cover for the NBP, Soro's Tides foundation and the Center for American Progress funding and pumping propaganda.
It's coming to a head, and it's not going to end well.
Quin| 10.21.11 @ 10:29AM
Don't welcome me to a party I helped found. Go back and look. I was warning about Obama's Alinskyite past long before most people were, and have done so repeatedly.
SpiralArchitect| 10.21.11 @ 7:11PM
You spoke too soft then, Quin.
Perhaps if you start thumping your stick (pencil is an acceptable stick as you display abundant prose) a little louder now some souls can be saved & perhaps a few more individuals enlightened.
Ivan Ivanovich| 10.22.11 @ 12:13PM
Don't worry Quin. One needs to be hurt before they learn to avoid such things. After someone says "Oh this tastes bad!" how many times have you heard "Let me try it." Now we can say "Been there done that"
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 8:02AM
Quin,
there is a fascinating article over at American Thinker this morn ing.
http://www.americanthinker.com.....imism.html
Steve A| 10.21.11 @ 8:45AM
Ken, Thanks for the link. Everyone here should read this Americanthinker piece. Very likely to come to pass. Let's hope so.
USSAlabama| 10.21.11 @ 10:08AM
One of the titles I skipped on Thinker this morning . . .
This article is not to be missed! One of the best pieces I have read in years.
Thanks for posting the link.
Redstateboy| 10.21.11 @ 11:05AM
thanks for the link Ken..! Great read!
SpiralArchitect| 10.21.11 @ 7:12PM
The consistancey & quality of AT is unshakable.
No Name| 10.21.11 @ 8:24AM
Just like Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe. I'm working on how they are literally connected but am sure there is a connection.
Alice Moore| 10.21.11 @ 8:34AM
Remember in November 2012!
USSAlabama| 10.21.11 @ 8:40AM
Good article Quinn. Even if it is a little delayed.
Hate to say it, but Glenn Beck said this would happen. That was before Van Jones quietly left the administration over a weekend so as not to cause notice.
I try to listen to or watch a little of everything to know what is going on, including the libs, and when I first heard Beck I wasn't sure about what he was saying -- so much detail I had to slow down and take it in --
This is the chaos the statist left has been seeking. Expect more.
Redstateboy| 10.21.11 @ 8:40AM
Since the Lame Stream isn't reporting it.. I know in my gut I'm right.. the Flee Party's numbers are diminishing with the cold. All of a sudden..., T'ain't no fun sleeping outside on concrete at 3 in the morning in 40 degrees, then having to find a bathroom, coffee and then look forward to...... what? sitting around all day outdoors? right.. this'll collapse with a whimper.
Buck Ofama| 10.21.11 @ 12:47PM
Hey, they're not just "sitting around all day"; they have those kewl drums to beat off on, dude!
Timothy L. Pennell| 10.21.11 @ 8:40AM
You people in the Media, or whatever you call yourselves, keep dancing around the OBVIOUS.
He's not "Encouraging it". He ORGANIZED it! That's all he knows how to do. He NEVER was a Professor. He NEVER "Taught" Constitutional Law. These are all just parts of The Big Lie, that is Barack Hussein Obama/Barry Soetoro/Abu Hussain. When your Life is Sealed in a Vault, you can pretty much, make it up as you go along.
Nope. Old Barry only knows how to do One Thing: Agitate. Disrupt. Intimidate, and Threaten.
Okay. 4 Things.
He actually did teach a Class, but, it was in SAUL ALINSKY. He taught a Saul Alinsky "Workshop" for his ACAORN students. He taught the Wit and Wisdom of a book, with a shout out, on its Jacket, for the "World's first Community Organizer: LUCIFER". That's who our Boy is.
Who has he been talking to, on his Canadian built Bus Tours? He's been talking to YOUNG PEOPLE, at Colleges and Universities. And, what has he been talking about, in between Vacations and Fund Raisers, with Bankers, the Rich, and Millionaires and Billionaires? He's been talking about Evil Bankers. The Evil Rich. And all those Evil Millionaires and Billionaires. He's been riling them up. He's been "Agitate".
Who were the first folks on the scene? Young College Students, with Student Loans, carrying signs about the Bankers, the Rich, and the Millionaires and Billionaires. "Disrupt".
Who showed up, next? Richard Trumpka, and Obama's Army of AFL-CIO Thugs. Richard Trumpka, who bragged that he goes to the white House, at least 3 times a week, and that he gets a Phone Call from THE ONE, almost Every Day. "Intimidate".
Moveon.org is involved. CODE PINK is involved. ACORN. SEIU. "Threaten".
Whaddya know? Barry's got the Band back together.
There's NOTHING spontaneous about this. Nothing: Grass Roots. This is the DEFINITION of AstroTurf. Every Leftist DEMIGOD has done the same thing, from LENIN to CHAVEZ to this THING, in the White House, with 3 Names.
I hope these Democrats hook their wagons to these Scumbags for the whole trip.
Just never forget WHO is in charge.
The Greatest Community Organizer since JESUS, who worships from a Book, dedicated to LUCIFER.
Oldefarte| 10.21.11 @ 2:55PM
TLP must be a terrific shootist, since he hits the bullseye with every shot!!!!!!!
POST American| 10.21.11 @ 9:18AM
---STOP talking front men
------START talking the puppet masters.
The entire sex n' dope n' POP scene, from
the 50's on, was engineered and brought
to you ENTIRELY by ROT-child front
Rockefeller/ Ford and Carn-egg-hee
'bennie violent' foundations --working
with our good friends at Stanford Research,
the Frankfuhrt School, the Globalist CIA/MI6
etc.
John C Coleman will lay it all out for you.
Listen to his interview on the Tavistock
crowd online ---if you can still find it.
------AND DO CLEAN OUT YOUR CHURCHES...
Timothy L. Pennell| 10.21.11 @ 2:27PM
I hate it when this idiot, posts under my Comments. he just makes everyone's eyes glaze over, and then move on to the next comment.
cuban pete| 10.21.11 @ 4:19PM
TLP:
Don't worry about this goof.
Your comments are read and appreciated.
Thanks
MM| 10.21.11 @ 7:49PM
Nobody reads him Tim.
Paul McGrath| 10.21.11 @ 10:10PM
Well, my eyes glaze over when I read your things, Pennell. Write English. The way you were taught. Ya think, perhaps, you're more creative than POST American?
You're both idiots.
Timothy L. Pennell| 10.22.11 @ 6:07AM
Your eyes glaze over because you're a Dumb*ss. It's got nothing to do with me.
Now, why don't you back to licking yourself.
Dan Mathewson| 10.22.11 @ 1:12AM
I read POST American's rantings the P.J. O'Rourke wrote in Ship Of Fools about reading leftist propaganda.
Minuteman78| 10.21.11 @ 9:34AM
If Bloomberg had any guts, he'd get the NYPD to turn the fire hoses on all these Obama lackeys. But that would actually clean them up in a sense, so maybe just a good old fashioned caning?
Margie| 10.21.11 @ 10:09AM
Rudy Giuliani might have done it. Where's Rudy when ya need him?
JimH| 10.21.11 @ 11:20AM
Out making big bucks making motivational speeches.
Margie| 10.21.11 @ 11:27AM
Hey, why not?
tsd| 10.21.11 @ 9:45AM
This is a great article and on point....unions who support unions, socialism, communism and control for power by the elitist. They say it is for the better of all when they really are looking for the same for all (but themselves, the elitists) which for the masses is poverty and suffering. The prophet, Alinsky and his minion Obama who is playing on all the games of the past with a new twist. Keep shining the light and showing him/them for what they are and we can bury them for century's. In the end the truth will win out...always does.
Margie| 10.21.11 @ 10:32AM
Here's another great post to admire.
Dear Occupy Wall Street.. A Message from Dave Ramsey:
http://www.daveramsey.com/arti.....omy/text1/
tadcf| 10.21.11 @ 10:39AM
A very clever diatribe. Only one problem: It doesn't reflect reality. Also, it shows the author's lack of empathy for the demonstrators who are representing a broad swath a Americans who have been hurt during this economy---ultra-conservatives seem to have forgotten: There are about 20 million citizens unemployed (they can't all be faking it).
As for Saul Allinsky, don't forget, the Republican have Lee Atwater--the father of modern Republican dirty politics--and where Quin Hillyer gets the tactic of calling everyone a communist or socialist that he desires to discredit.
George S| 10.21.11 @ 11:40AM
Really? The unemployment rate for 18-35 year old blacks is over 50%. Not many black faces in a white sea of college students and aging hippies. Why is that?
No one has forgotten the 20 million unemployed, you can count on that. Just wait until November 2012.
Citizen Jerry| 10.21.11 @ 10:41AM
No doubt Alinsky is now in place where he can sign copies of his book for those acknowledged in the dedication.
Moe Blotz| 10.21.11 @ 10:41AM
The "occupiers" claim a right to protest, but they do not have the right to be a public nuisance. Manhattan residents in the neighborhood surrounding Zucotti Park are harrassed as they leave for work in the morning, are disgusted with public urination/defecation on their private property, and annoyed by the cowbells being rung whilst guitars strum at all hours of the night. In regards to Rudy, he has stated publicly that he would not have allowed this fiasco to go on.
Anthony| 10.21.11 @ 12:02PM
Are these the same Manhattan denizens who continue to vote D and love Obozo?
Actions have consequences, and not all the animals are confined to the Bronx Zoo either.
Paevo| 10.21.11 @ 10:43AM
The president of the US basically worships the writer of a book dedicated to Satan... Nice...
Pete| 10.21.11 @ 10:53AM
Perhaps the worst part is that some percentage of this degenerate filth festival is being funded with public money. Let that stew in your brain for a while and when it has, exercise your 2nd amendment rights to protect yourself and your family from the violence that is virtually inevitable.
k962| 10.21.11 @ 11:11AM
No doubt this is Obama's "civilian army" which he mentioned 2008! They repeat his very own words,pertaining to the rich! His minions in the left wing radical cabal ,organized it. Obama did nothing but fire them up!
Anthony| 10.21.11 @ 11:17AM
Alinsky's star pupil is just getting warmed up, no pun intended to Lucifer's spawn. Just wait and see what a year from now will bring.
Assuming elections are not cancelled, as Jessie Jr. and the totalitarian left are pining for, many of us will be voting with our six shooters at our side.
Oh yes, thanks to Obozo, Happy days are here again, in the bowels of Hell.
Nina| 10.21.11 @ 11:28AM
My reply button isn't working. Yes, there are many there legitimately, but why Wallstreet? Pennisylvania Ave would be a better place to protest. Also, I find it hard to feel sorry for someone who has a $5000 laptop. Or one who complains of a homeless person collecting money from people attending. And yet they are quick to try to cover up a rape, or manage it on their own, so that person is free to do it again. How many other "criminals" are there just to take advantage of the "utopians" gathered at one place? Yes, they have some legitimate gripes, but leaving behind trash and filth, hindering others from their jobs, etc is not endearing them to most of Americans. I believe many there are there just to reek havoc and anarchy, to trash, destroy because that's all they know. Too bad public schools and universities don't evaluate and teach how this behavior has destroyed other countries instead of trashing this one.
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 11:54AM
These "occupiers" are wimps. They won't do much here in Texas except get jeered at for their whining.
We are a right to carry State. "An armed society is a polite society."
Anthony| 10.21.11 @ 12:10PM
"An armed society is a free society".
Margie| 10.21.11 @ 2:10PM
Ken,
You're a wimp and a wuss.
You have made a certain charge against me here, in fact, many false charges.
Put your money where your egotistical mouth is and post the e mails you claim you have.
And then I will post the 93 or so I have to you.
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 4:38PM
Margie,
I won't post the one you asked me not to tell Vic about. I will honor your wishes. On the other hand,
Try this:
Re: RCV ReplyTuesday, January 4, 2011 8:53 PMFrom: "vicandmarj"
Margie| 10.21.11 @ 7:57PM
http://spectator.org/archives/.....tcontainer
Wowee. You really exposed me! LOL.
and everyone got to see who YOU REALLY ARE!
Praise God for Jesus, and for His Truth.
He ALWAYS wins, especially against the perverts!
George S| 10.21.11 @ 12:02PM
Rules for Radicals will also be Obama's undoing. Rule 11 states "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
Obama has no constructive alternative, even though that's what he was elected for. This is why Alinsky only plays lip service to "What Would You Do Different?" It's not about solution, it is about destruction. The last thing the car-chasing Alinsky dog wanted was to catch the car. Because now YOU become the power structure and others will organize against you (as in Tea Party). The only way to avoid that is to ban organizing by force. Which is why Alinsky and his followers are nothing different than all other revolutionaries in history who seized power and closed the door behind them with the iron fist of tyranny.
Anthony| 10.21.11 @ 12:36PM
A good point George. The Alinsky maxim follows the more basic construct of "you break it, you own it", one of Colin Powell's favorites.
Hmmm, I wonder what Obozo supporter numero uno, General Powell, has to say about his wonderkind president now?
Wayne| 10.22.11 @ 8:22AM
Powell is part of it. He is one of the elite that helped put him in that position. He only gets mad at Obama if Obama fails.
JimP| 10.21.11 @ 12:45PM
As a Boomer I find the present protests quite fun to watch. A bunch of screwball losers and commie plants making fools of themselves and alienating the great "silent majority" of America. These protests are even more doomed than the 60's protests were. Nixon+Wallace clobbered the Dems in '68 after the great Chicago convention riot and then in '72 the Dems had their first anti-war socialist candidate-McGovern. Nixon won 49 states in '72. The 60's protests were led by the "anarcho-syndicalist" aka: socialist-communist radicals, but the galvanizing matter for the huge Boomer generation was avoiding being drafted to go to Vietnam. It was the draft that made the protesting attractive to the majority of kids in the streets back then. As soon as Nixon ended the draft, the protests evaporated. Now there is no draft or war for the young to worry about. They want a job to buy all the 'crass' commercial stuff made by Apple etc because their parents are broke or unemployed and who wants to live with their parents anyway. The young and the rest of the "silent majority" will be voting GOP next year- is my humble prediction. So let the hippies riot, watch the COPS respond, crush a few skulls and make beaucoup arrests, and enjoy it all fellow Americans on your HD widescreen. Pass the popcorn.
Wayne| 10.22.11 @ 8:21AM
You make good points. I can attest that it was the draft that drove the protests. That and the death of 59,000 soldiers in a useless war. By '71 troops were getting early outs. I got out 6 months early. This current group of protesters lack the passion and the conviction of tea partiers. Lets face it, its an opportunity for sex and cheap drugs.
W| 10.21.11 @ 1:39PM
REPORT FROM OCCUPIED PGH
Walking to my meeting this morning at 11:00 AM I walked through Mellon Park in Pgh where the occupiers are occupying.
There are a number of small tents that were all closed, and a few big tents that had donuts, coffee, and water. The young lady offered me a donut but I declined and thanked her. It seems the occupation has helped the Dunkin Donuts across the street. There were garbage bags throughout, hay on top of the grass, and plywood in the walking grass areas and in front of the tents.
Lots of homemade signs on cardboard such as "Private profits but Socialized Losses." Hard to disagree with that. And "Universal Health Care," "Single Payer Plan,"and "Trickledown poverty." Nothing very imaginative.
Considering it has been raining all week, the place was relatively clean and orderly.
On my way back they were all out of their tents and in front of the old USSteel Bldg chanting "Univeral Health Care," with very little enthusiasm, no harmony, and hard to say if it had any effect.
Less than 100 people.
Everybody walking except me ignored them.
David T| 10.21.11 @ 2:05PM
On the contrary, W, it's very easy to disagree with "private profits but socialized losses." Look at Fannie and Freddie, who are a huge reason for the economic mess we're in. Whenever risk is "socialized," the risk taker will ignore market signals because he knows the taxpayer will absorb his losses. Essentially, he's playing with other people's money.
W| 10.21.11 @ 2:27PM
David,
I agree with you, I wasn't clear. The occupiers are against the taxpayers paying the lossess of Goldman Sachs, Solyndra, GM, etc. when those companies and individuals keep the profits and we pay the lossess.
Margie| 10.21.11 @ 2:01PM
Jim P, W:
http://swordattheready.files.w.....morons.jpg
Oldefarte| 10.21.11 @ 3:02PM
Quin's accurate discription of Obama is only a tad too PC. IMHO, not only did Obama subversively instigate this mass protest with his previous wording of MILLIONAIRES & BILLIONAIRES, FAT CAT BANKERS etc; but he is expressing solidarity with same now in order to further his class warfare political propaganda. The sad sad part of all of this is that the young college students [who SHOULD but do not have the common sense and intelligence to see through his BS] are those buying into his political garbage. The man is simply the biggest fraud the world has ever seen. It's one thing to come out of nowhere with no history and proclamate his lies, but after three years of witnessing same, no one except total morons should now be unaware of the barnyard nature of his words/actions!!!!!!!
Wayne| 10.22.11 @ 8:14AM
The irony is that these are the people he had in mind for his national police force. If goaded, they would be at your throats telling you to eat shit if the Comrade in chief even made a faint suggestion.
Margie| 10.21.11 @ 3:13PM
Alec Baldwin's in on it again.
Alec Baldwin joins Occupy Wall Street to tell protesters 'capitalism is worthwhile' (but could it be anything to do with his ad campaign for Capital One bank?):
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....z1bRereF9B
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....while.html
PattyMor| 10.21.11 @ 3:24PM
Well, if the protesters had a brain, they'd be protesting at 1600 Penn. Ave. That's were Bush and Rubin wrote up the bailouts for Millionaires Billionaires and both parties participated.
The second thing to protest is the university you attended Who encouraged you to take out massive loans for overpriced degrees. Why the socialists at the very same university. And you know what, you can't discharge your obligations using bankruptcy. So you are stuck; basically an indentured servant to your university.
Oldefarte| 10.21.11 @ 4:21PM
PM: Although I agree that the original TARP stunk worse than a skunk; unfortionately it was at the time entirely necessary. Without a bailout of the banks [only] as the ORIGINAL TARP was conceived, every bank in this country would have failed [closed its doors] and same would have adversely effected each/every depositor [ie you and me]. The problem was that after 1/1/09 when the Obama Administration took over, they reconstituted TARP to bail out GM and Crysler solely due to the loss of labor union jobs that would have been lost if these auto manufacturers had failed. The difference between the original and the final TARP was that the former was essential for the economic/financial benefit of this nation's economy and for each/every citizen with a bank/savings/CD account; whereas the latter only benefits Obama's/Democrats' political friends/financial supporters THE LABOR UNIONS [which if they had failed would have only hurt Detroit and the domestic automotive industry, and no one else]!!!!!
SpiralArchitect| 10.21.11 @ 7:20PM
Thanks 'farte.
As I tirelessly try expressing the same thoughts on the bailouts it still manages to tire me so.
Preconceived notions are so hard to change, none the less replace - especially with the truth (ie:facts).
juniper | 10.21.11 @ 4:00PM
Alinsky clearly studied and admired Pol Pot, creator of Year Zero and the following mass-murders. Pol Pot was in the same college in France as Hitler's Swiss banker, Francois Genoud.
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 4:39PM
Re: RCV ReplyTuesday, January 4, 2011 8:53 PMFrom: "vicandmarj"
Margie| 10.21.11 @ 7:58PM
Are you on drugs or alcohol?
Claudia| 10.21.11 @ 7:43PM
I literally cry for this country. And, finally someone is talking about what happened to common decency, manners, please and thank you, good grooming, a kind word and a soft voice. The debasement and decline of our social standards has been stunning. Whenever I watch an old movie on Turner Classics I always think of a time when Americans dressed and were polite; when multiculturalism (where loyalties to our great nation are not even required) did not rule the day; when people were proud of their country and taught their children the same. In 2000 I went to Germany on a seven (7) day tour. I could always pick out the Americans. There was a glow and animation in their faces -smiling and laughing, kindness and inquisitiveness. In short, there has always been an American spirit. Europeans, on the other hand, seemed dour and lack-luster. I guess that's what saddens me the most - Americans are losing their spirit. And once the spirit is broken people no longer have the energy to fight. Witness the Republicans, who for the most part have either remained silent about this so-called “movement” or have actually said that they understand it. Are they just to dispirited to denounce these radicals in the most pronounced way? Are they just too tired to fight the on slot of what names they’ll be called for having dared to speak the truth about the debauchery? It seems Republicans have a slam dunk here. Will they be brave enough to see it? I have always been optimistic about this country, but I'm afraid, my spirit is broken, as well.
davelnaf| 10.21.11 @ 9:46PM
Are mainstream dems still supporting Obama because of the damage he can still do to the Democratic Party if they try to dump him? Or, have they mentally bifurcated Obama into (1. a leftwing, but still in their eyes somewhat mainstream, president that they want to support, but don’t exactly believe in and (2. a very radical president well outside the mainstream that they chose to ignore?
If dems turn on O they know that they lose a lot of their block voters. If they don’t turn on him they will likely go down with him next year in the biggest political conflagration ever. But they continue to put on this public veneer of business as usual and of not being all that worried about O. They forget that they did something like a lite version of this during most of 2010.
Wayne| 10.22.11 @ 8:12AM
Too late for the Dems. They have double-downed on stupid. Obama is a one-trick pony and is the rock-thrower thrust by buffoons into the presidency. He will bring down the party. He may seek refuge in Switzerland after the Defeat of 2012. I assure you the power players in the Democratic Party will not want to see him around.
Don Woods | 10.21.11 @ 9:56PM
Claudia, don't be too depressed. You are probably too young to remember Carter. He had the whole of the US in a funk. I had a neighbor who had always flown the flag - he stopped. Hopefully, after Obama the spirit will return. People had given up on patriotism and Regan brought it back. Conservatives MUST get behind the Republican candidate whoever that is. We must get our country back from these anti-Americans.
Claudia| 10.21.11 @ 11:55PM
Thanks, Don - for saying I'm probably too young to remember Carter, that is. Yes, I remember the malaise. But here's what I feel the difference is: Our very institutions are different now so that no one can become a Bill Gates or Steve Jobs; the courts are stacked; Obamacare is a runaway train and I'm not sure that it can be stopped. With the Supreme Court only taking up the individual mandate provision what is to stop the rest of this monstrosity from taking place? Just today, Walmart is either dropping health care for their part-time workers or raising the premiums on the rest. My health insurance, which I had to fight for as an individual, has gone up $100 a month, even though my health has remained the same - excellent. Couple that with the loss of decency and a news media that actually protects the culprits and I just don't see our way of life ever returning to the glory days. Immigrants have little loyalty to our country. Elected officials are afraid of their own shadows and our schools are propaganda machines. I remain hopeful, but I'm afraid America has seen her best days. I stand by that but hope that the Republican presidential nominee can prove me wrong. Romney, I'm afraid is just not inspirational enough.
POST American| 10.21.11 @ 10:58PM
---------------------FINAL WORD-----------------------
'60's Show' DIS---tractions.
FACT IS the entire LSD culture was the
creation of USURY and EUGENICS
madman Victor ROT-child working
through MI6.
------ON RECORD------
The first of the dope was developed
in Switzerland, and sacks of the crap
were hurled over college walls by
Globalist chump CIA.
------------DO get with the DE---program.
ALAN WATT will fill you in. He's got the
docs and has done the background.
--------------------HE WAS THERE---------------------
Wayne| 10.22.11 @ 8:08AM
"Obama's eloquent words" - give me a break. Actually listen to the words. A 6th grader could right them. You guys still persists in spreading the myth that Obama is actually literate.
J.C.Eaton| 10.22.11 @ 12:53PM
This!!!!!1
Bob White | 10.22.11 @ 9:03PM
I'm all for the public nudity, but keep the communism (and keep your hands out of my pockets).
POST American| 10.23.11 @ 10:46PM
"----INTER-national USURY and
EUGENICS mad man---"
Now, go, look in the mirror --and
substitute for the final word ---ENABLER."
-----------------YOU ARE THERE----------------------
NOW, back to 'bennie' basting your rectums.
Marc Jeric| 10.23.11 @ 11:51PM
Not only is Abu Hussein al-Mombassa a marxist Muslim from Kenya, he is also our Community Organizer-in-chief (in Russian community organization = soviet). In the 2012 election be ready for the most massive voter fraud in history of democracy.