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Republican Campaign Apocalypse

By on 10.14.11 @ 6:11AM

Can the conservative grassroots stop Mitt Romney?

HAGERSTOWN, Maryland — Hickory trees were blazing brilliant gold in the forest surrounding my home on the western slope of South Mountain as I stepped outside Thursday afternoon to take a call on my cellphone from a well-informed source. My enjoyment of the autumn scenery was diminished only slightly by the cool drizzly overcast weather, but much more by the shadows of gloom gathering over the 2012 Republican presidential campaign, which was the reason for the phone call.

After listening with great interest, I walked inside to the dining room table, picked up a pen and asked my source to repeat the information which I scrawled into a notebook: “Rubio [chief] of staff — CESAR — used to be w/ Romney’s campaign … used his contacts to push primary to 31st because they want Romney in.” A couple more phone calls to D.C. and Florida, a few minutes of online research, and I had an exclusive: “Top Rubio Staffer Reportedly Pushed for Early Florida Primary to Help Romney.” Perhaps not the kind of story Matt Drudge would consider worthy of a banner headline, but a key piece of the puzzle surrounding events that have hopelessly scrambled the 2012 schedule.

What my tipster explained was that Cesar Conda, influential chief of staff for Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, had been a key force behind the scenes urging Florida Republican officials to move their state’s primary — which should have taken place in March, according to the schedule approved by the Republican National Committee — to Jan. 31. Florida’s fateful decision Sept. 30 set in motion a chain of events which, as matters now stand, could result in New Hampshire holding its first-in-the-nation primary as early as December 6, less than two months from now. Although Florida had long threatened to break the RNC-imposed rule protecting the four states (Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina) that traditionally hold early nominating contests, the timing of Florida’s final decision — immediately after Herman Cain won a Sept. 24 straw-poll in Orlando — aroused deep suspicions from conservatives.

Conda is well known as a supporter of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who has led the GOP 2012 field for most of the past year. On the day two weeks ago when a Republican-controlled special committee in Tallahassee set Florida’s Jan. 31 primary date, Texas Gov. Rick Perry was still leading the Real Clear Politics poll average with 26.5 percent to Romney’s 23 percent. However, Romney was regaining lost ground, as Perry’s support collapsed in the wake of his embarrassing performances in three September debates. It appeared that Romney, with vastly superior fund-raising potential and a top-quality campaign organization, was clearly once more a pre-emptive favorite to win the nomination, and Florida’s move would help maximize Romney’s advantage. Or at least that was the conventional wisdom of pundits and Republican insiders, especially because a front-loaded primary schedule would make it more difficult for New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie to make a late entry into the field. Five days after Florida announced its primary would be Jan. 31, Christie said his final “no.” By the time Christie made his inevitable endorsement of Romney, major GOP funders like Georgette Mosbacher were already aboard the Romney bandwagon.

For Rubio’s chief of staff — formerly an aide to Dick Cheney and a top D.C. lobbyist — to be a Romney supporter is scarcely surprising, nor was I particularly shocked when my source said Conda had been encouraging Florida to jump ahead in the 2012 schedule. The early-primary madness gripping Florida Republicans has been well-nigh universal for months. A lone voice of sanity warning against the move to January seems to have been the state’s RNC committeeman, Paul Senft, who chastised Florida officials with a reminder, “Republicans have always been law abiding people who obey the rules.” True, but Republicans are also creatures of habit, and few habits have become more predictable than the GOP’s “It’s His Turn” principle of choosing presidential nominees. Romney was the chief rival to Sen. John McCain in the 2008 primaries and has been building his 2012 campaign ever since. By long-standing Republican tradition, it’s Mitt’s turn, and no one should be surprised that the organized forces of the party establishment (evidently including Cesar Conda) are doing everything in their power to deliver the nomination to him.

So far, so good for the conventional wisdom which would have us believe that Romney is inevitable as the Republican 2012 standard-bearer. Even conservatives determined to resist Romney’s nomination — many of whom are still holding out hope that Perry can somehow regain his footing — seem to be trying to convince themselves that Romney wouldn’t be so bad. Why, however, did my item yesterday about Cesar Conda and the Florida primary provoke such a phenomenal reaction, getting re-Tweeted more than 200 times in the span of a few hours? Why did Michelle Malkin react, “Damn, I hate politics”? Because the Conda story seemed to implicate Marco Rubio in the insider maneuverings to coronate Romney, and Rubio was one of the greatest heroes of the Tea Party uprising. Indeed, if the GOP Establishment had gotten its way, Rubio would not today be one of the most promising young Republicans in the Senate.

In May 2009, Florida’s GOP chairman Jim Greer endorsed Gov. Charlie Crist in the 2010 Senate race, more than 15 months before the primary. National Republican Senatorial Committee chairman Sen. John Cornyn of Texas also endorsed Crist, who was then leading Rubio by more than 30 points in the polls. Greer and Cornyn were both acting on the conventional wisdom that Crist, with statewide name recognition and proven fund-raising abilities, would be the safe bet to hold the seat being vacated by the retirement of Republican Sen. Mel Martinez. Outraged by this attempt to anoint Crist — who had endorsed President Obama’s deficit-spending stimulus program — conservatives rallied behind Rubio. Within a year, as the Tea Party movement boosted Rubio to a commanding lead in the primary polls, Crist quit the GOP and launched a doomed third-party bid. (Greer resigned in disgrace and is now awaiting trial on corruption charges.)

Just as the Republican elite’s attempt to anoint Crist backfired, sparking a Tea Party uprising that carried Rubio to the Senate, there may be a possibility that the behind-the-scenes effort to anoint Romney could ignite a grassroots movement to unite conservatives behind Herman Cain’s surging candidacy. The strength of Cain’s surge may have been underestimated in the conventional wisdom of late September, when Florida Republicans made the decision that scrambled the campaign schedule. And the Atlanta businessman got an unexpected boost on Oct. 5 when former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin announced she would not be a candidate in 2012. Many of her most fervent supporters had waited for months hoping she’d jump in the race and, when she finally said “no,” Palin singled out Cain for praise in an interview on Greta Van Susteren’s Fox News program. Whether Palin’s supporters took this as a signal or whether they naturally gravitated to Cain’s populist “outsider” appeal, the effect is noticeable: Cain’s RCP poll average on Oct. 4 was 13.7 percent, but in the four national polls taken since Palin announced her decision not to run, Cain’s average is 26.3 percent. In the latest Rasmussen survey, Cain is tied with Romney, with Perry fading to single digits in fourth place behind Newt Gingrich.

The GOP Establishment’s alignment behind Romney has produced a Newtonian counter-reaction, and the voices of Establishment spokesmen deriding Cain’s chances of winning are likely to solidify Tea Party support behind the Atlanta businessman. Last night, Karl Rove (a pundit especially loathed by Palin’s fans) told Sean Hannity that he doubts Cain can sustain his current momentum, saying Cain was “coming up short” and predicting his campaign is “not gonna have a nice ending.”

Of course, Rove never predicted Cain’s October surge, and how this year’s Republican campaign will end is probably beyond anyone’s power to predict, when no one yet knows whether the New Hampshire primary will be in December or January. The odds favor Romney, but the odds have always favored Romney. For the past three weeks, events have seemed to be accelerating toward some kind of apocalyptic climax, the outcome obscured by ominous clouds of uncertainty. For now, there is only the campaign trail ahead, which will bring the candidates together Tuesday in Las Vegas for a CNN debate in which Cain will defend his newfound contender status against his Republican rivals. Autumn leaves are falling, and the days are rapidly running down toward the time when at last the predictions of polls and pundits will be less important than the decisions of actual voters.

UPDATE: “Marco Rubio Denies His Office Influenced Florida Primary Date”

About the Author

Robert Stacy McCain is co-author (with Lynn Vincent) of Donkey Cons: Sex, Crime, and Corruption in the Democratic Party (Nelson Current). He blogs at The Other McCain.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (494) |

Timothy L. Pennell| 10.14.11 @ 6:22AM

Look. This is simple. Ya know how everyone's always saying that, "You can't just run AGAINST someone. You have to be FOR something."?
Ladies and Gentlemen. Allow me to introduce the Exception to the Rule. Barack Hussein Obama.
If there was ever, a Clay Pigeon, just begging to be taken out? It's His Majesty, the guy with the "Blacks Only" Justice Department.
Tell me something he's done right. ANYTHING!
Now, tell me what he's done wrong.
Simple, right? Of course it is, IF you're willing to do, what needs to be done.
Our Nominee needs to be FEARLESS. Our Nominee must be prepared to GO AFTER Der Fuhrer, with Both Barrels. The Country needs to be REMINDED of all the Golf Outings, and Parties at the White House, while the people in the Gulf, watched their livelihoods disappear, underneath a sheen of Oil. They need to be REMINDED of all the Vacations. The Jaunts to Ireland, and to England, to drink Beer and $1000 Wine, in a Toast to Shared Sacrifice.
They need to be REMINDED of the illegal Drilling Moratoriums, and the Jobs they destroyed. REMINDED of the attacks against the Coal Industry, and the Natural Gas Industry, and the Canadian Pipeline Deal, and the Hundreds of Thousands of Jobs, that have been ABORTED.
They need to be REMINDED of his associations with Frank Marshall Davis and Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan and Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn and Khalid Rashidi and the Black Panthers.
They need to be INFORMED of his complicity in the Deaths of Hundreds, if not Thousands, of Mexicans, killed by the Weapons that HE bought, and HE had taken over the Border and given to the Dug Cartels, so that HE could use their murders, to push for more Gun Control.
Only Herman Cain, can do all that. None of the others will DARE to do these things. They're too afraid of the "R" Word. And, if they're afraid of THAT? What else are they afraid of?
The Rich Kid (Romney) doesn't have the BALLS, to do what needs to be done.
And, the "MORMON" thing?
They will hang that around his neck like an ANVIL. And, it WILL cost us the Election.
Believe it!

Drudge Ette Obama| 10.14.11 @ 6:55AM

I was one of those who sent in a few bucks to Rubio. (I almost made it all back by saving the 44 cent stamps that followed in a slew of additional fundraising solicitations.)

Timothy Pennell may capitalize too much in his comment BUT he is right. But right isn't reality. Let's back Herman Cain with talk and money - he's real.

Then let's think about Rubio more carefully.

Hank| 10.14.11 @ 8:37AM

Not stated in the article was the fact the O'Reilly came out last night and predicted that Cain could not win against Obummer. The elites are scared of Cain and the Tea Party! We have been quiet to long, it's time to get organized again and take this country back!!

Jack in Wi.| 10.14.11 @ 12:31PM

Romney and Cain are both Mr. TARP, Mr. Endless War for Israel, Mr Bailouts for the Rich, Mr. Federal Reserve, and both have flip flopped on everything at least once. Romney also has Romneycare tied around his neck.The only man with the money and following to stop Romney and all his countryclub and media backing is Ron Paul. He has the most on ground supporters and the most money left of anyone but Perry. Perry seems to have imploded and Cain is not far behind. His 999 plan is laughable. His naming Alan [ big bubbles ]Greenspan as his favorite Fed chairman show where his true loyalties lie.

Ron Paul has just issued the finest prolife commericial, [ in 30 years of prolife work] I have ever seen put out by an American politician. It will be shown all over New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina and Nevada. All you prolife people should see it on U tube.

In Wednesday's Reuters poll Ron Paul is in 3rd place behind Romney and Cain. Romney 23%, Cain 19% and Ron Paul 13%. I remind you of all the people who been put up to by the elites to be our leader. Trump, Bachman, Perry, Christie, Ryan, Barbour, and now Cain have all been floated and found wanting.

Ron Paul is the only candidate that can get the necessary, independent and conservative Democrat vote. Romney is disliked by 2/3 of the Party. It is Ron Paul or ruin. I predicted long ago on this site that Ron Paul will win or come close in Iowa and New Hampshire. I stand behind that prediction right now. The wars, bailouts and the Fed are as popular as cancer in those states. I don't think this country should have a guy like Romney who was total flop in the only elected job he ever held, as a governor running the country.

Noolasi Luapnor| 10.14.11 @ 1:49PM

Ron Paul is the only candidate that can get the necessary, independent and conservative Democrat vote.

You say the funniest things!

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 2:30PM

If you think THAT'S funny, wait until you hear one of Jack's anti-Semitic rants!!!

Mike D.| 10.14.11 @ 2:36PM

Its the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO's

Jack in Wi.| 10.14.11 @ 6:44PM

When they have no answer, for an argument, you start using the antsemite label. You guy never change. Pushing for an American First foreign policy is always called antisemitic. Most of us are getting sick of forever paying for Israel while people like Herman Cain want to cut Social Security and throw granny off dialyisis.

Mike D.| 10.14.11 @ 7:31PM

Its used because YOU ARE ONE, idiot. Your own words, nobody elses. Hey, You used the throw Granny off dialysis material a couple weeks ago Jew hater, get some NEW material. My god do you even think before you post anything or is it the same crap you get off your Paulbot talking point tips line? Your a lame freakin pathetic commercial stuck in a loop. Now change your depends and lose the tin foil headgear.

Jack in Wi.| 10.14.11 @ 7:43PM

Your the ones who want to cut money from poor and sick Americans but continue Israel's lavish subsidies. You would gladly throw granny off diaysis then cut the greatest welfare queen in the world back to where it belongs. Israel is not worth one drop of American blood or one American dollar. Let Soros, Goldman sachs and Greenspan and the rest of you use your own funds to support your religious homeland. Let Israel support itself. After 63 years on the world's dole it is time.

Mike D.| 10.14.11 @ 8:18PM

Save your bilge Jew Hater, You are what you are, if you want to hide your Nazi bile behind Granny and her dialysis machine then by all means be the coward that you are. What you and what you post are is exactly why your candidate will never win anything. Just keep posting, by all means keep posting because its a learning lesson everytime you do.

Mike W| 10.15.11 @ 8:44AM

If you oppose the endless transfer of US dollars to Israel then you are a "jew hater". If you oppose endless transfer of US dollars to Africa then you are a black hater?

The anti semite card gets really old.

emo| 10.14.11 @ 10:05PM

Israel can survive just fine without US Aid. I wish the US would end aid to Israel, which amounts to only 2.5% of its GDP. Then Jew haters like you would have to come up with some other excuse for Israel's success. And you are an anti-semite as Eqypt and Pakistan receive as much aid as Israel does, bit that doesnt seem to bother you.

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 9:32AM

Because he's a Muslim terrorist sympathizer, I would love to repost some of his best stuff on his love for Muslim Terrorists.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 12:24PM

Then, Go Into The American Spectator Archives & Do It Israel Firster Smear Artist,Little Micky D.

Put Up or Shut up, Rodent.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

A.M. Mallett| 10.16.11 @ 3:46PM

I want to plug you into dialysis whether you need it or not.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 9:52AM

But Micky, you told us it was the MUUUUUUUUUSLIMS !

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 10:27AM

No Dave, Muslim TERRORISTS.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 12:27PM

The Name Ain't Dave,Israel Firster Rodent, Little Micky D.

And We Al Know That You're An Israel Firster Stealth Bigot Agendist,Who Hates All Those MUUUUUUUSLIMS.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 2:52PM

The Big Yellow Bus Calls The Lemon Pie Yellow.

Dr.Reich Is Part Of American Spectator's Resident Anti-Catholic Tag Team With Apocalyptic Crank Lady Margie.

Jack in Wi.| 10.14.11 @ 6:48PM

Dr. Wrong: Ron Paul in all polls gets by far the most independent and conservative Democrat voters. The Bush- Cheney war forever and ever brain dead voters are down to 20%. No warmonger Republican will win this election.

RCV| 10.14.11 @ 7:38PM

Ron Paul doesn't get "conservative Democratic voters". The Democrats he attracts are the very far left, anti-war Kuccinich types.

Jack in Wi.| 10.14.11 @ 7:51PM

Even if what you said is true, he would still get Democratic votes. He has been getting huge numbers of conservative Democrats to vote for him in Texas for over 30 years. The independents are sick of Obama and the Republican war mongers. Ron Paul will get huge numbers of them to vote for him. I also think he would get a lot of liberal Demcrats to vote for him as well. The wars are unpopular throughout the electorate.

emo| 10.14.11 @ 10:06PM

Drop dead Jack. Then Jebus can kick you ass in hell

john dubose| 10.15.11 @ 8:04AM

Ron Paul has been winning big votes in his home district for years. That is because they like him and because he brings home the goodies that everyone knows he does not approve of. But the same folks that love their Rep Paul are looking for another person to be the president. That is a bummer, but it is true. To win Ron Paul must show that he has the personal characteristics that make an effective president. At 70 something, that is a tough sell.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 9:56AM

Hey Look The Obama Israel Firster LawBoy RCV Is Here To Badmouth Our Tea Party Co-Favorite Presidential Candidate Dr.Ron Paul.

Go Back & Sit With Your Muuuuuuslim Hussein Obama, Ya Little Rodent.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 3:21PM

The RINO-CINO's Are Trying To Keep The Attention Off Their Frontman Mittens Romney, So He Can Win The GOP Primaries.

Romney Is A Plastic RINO-CINO Ruling Elite Fop From TARP, To RomneyCare, To Abortion, To Gays,Etc.

His Record, As A Little "Chain Saw Al " At Bain Needs To Be Exposed.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

K.J.| 10.16.11 @ 11:31AM

What's Ben Stein's health status after his gastric bypass operation? Have there been any complications?

Thomas Paine| 10.14.11 @ 2:35PM

I love Ron Paul but he wouldn't stand a chance against Obama. Not a prayer.

You might disagree, but that would only tell me you don't have as much exposure to the bottom end of the Electorate (bottom end of information and attention) as I do.

I think Cain can beat Obama -- if he gets the "Old Hands" behind him with money and handlers to coach on foreign policy, avoid gotchas, etc. That's just politics.

The Republican Establishment wants Romney, because they're just as much behind all the loopholes in the tax code, and profits off of government contracts, as Establishment Democrats.

NEITHER Establishment wants to see the system they've been profiting from, at the expense of the country -- the BIG SPENDING GOVERNMENT -- get cut down to size. Only we do.

So following the Buckley Rule, "Nominate the most conservative candidate WHO CAN WIN" -- that's HERMAN CAIN.

Jack in Wi.| 10.14.11 @ 6:38PM

In the Harris poll of a couple of weeks ago Ron Paul beats Obama 51% to 49%. Ron has been tied or close to tied with Obama in several other national polls. Herman Cain and his 999 plan is dead on arival. No Republican can even get the the Republican vote by pushing a 9% national sales tax, while we still have the income tax. The Democrats would destroy him worse then his Republican opponents did in the last debate. Herman loves Alan Greenspan, TARP, and endless war, plus a tax plan cooked up by one of his buddies for the Federal Reserve.He lied outright about his wanting an audit of the Federal Reserve. Talk about a manufactured, by the media, candidate put in the race to divide the real conservative vote.

Now that Herman has shown his true colors. I predict Newt Gingrich will get his time in the sun. At least he knows enough to attack the Federal Reserve in sound terms. He knows where the country is on taxes and bailouts. It's too bad Newt is such a moral slug. He could of been a contender.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 6:56PM

"Now that Herman has shown his true colors."

According to whom?

Writers here? Commenters here? Republican Elites who can't stand him?

LOL. You're an idiot if you or anyone listens to them.

Herman Cain is conservative through and through.

El Rushbo agrees:

http://www.therightscoop.com/r.....servative/

Mike D.| 10.14.11 @ 7:32PM

No Marg, the Jews got to Cain, jack can't abide with that.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 9:58AM

But Micky told us to be scared of the MUUUUUUUSLIMS.

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 10:28AM

Muslim TEEERRRRRROOORRISTS, Dave.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 12:31PM

Tols Ya Israel Firster Rodent, The Name Ain't Dave.

You're A Stealth Israel Firster Bigot, Who Hates Al MUUUUUUUUUUUSLIMS.

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 12:37PM

Terrrroooooorrrrist Muslims Dave, Whos Al Muslims?

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 12:42PM

Israel Firster BIIIIIIIIIGGGGOOOOOT.

Who's Bibi ?

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 12:52PM

Bibi? I think thats a stripper in Vegas with 44D breasts. Actually might be 42 DD's.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 12:59PM

Bibi ? We Heard He's A Male Whore In Tel Aviv. Or Was It Haifa ?

Jeamar37| 10.15.11 @ 12:59PM

Bibi is a nickname for Benjamin Netanyahu.

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 1:29PM

No, Dave said He's A Male Whore In Tel Aviv. Or Was It Haifa?

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 1:32PM

No, Brooks said I think thats a stripper in Vegas with 44D breasts. Actually might be 42 DD's.

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 1:36PM

I'll take the 42dd's, much squishier.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 2:19PM

Brooks Does A Bronski Between The Fun Bags.

Jack in Wi.| 10.14.11 @ 7:35PM

Herman is symtom of the problem the elites have Margie. He was puffed up in Florida to get rid of Rick Perry. Perry was supposed to win that straw poll. The elites covered the 175 dollars it cost to compete in that poll to puff Cain as a way to divide the conservative vote. Perry was supposed to perform much better then he did. So the elites used Herman as the messenger boy. The trouble is that Herman was liked by a lot of people who hated Romney and has taken off to some extent. Herman showed his incompetence in the last debate. He was awful. Santorum, Gingrich, Bachman, Huntsman, and most of all Ron Paul destroyed him. He has little money, little organization, and is unable to defend his crackpot tax plan. The Democrats would destroy him. In any general election There would be massive defections from the Republicans to third parties or stay at home. I expect Herman to withdraw before the primaries and endorse Romney. They agree on everything, and are soft on abortion as well. No way in hell would I vote for either of them. I voted for the Republican nominee in the last 11 elections. Most of those votes were wasted.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 8:10PM

Jack says, "Herman is symtom of the problem the elites have Margie. He was puffed up in Florida to get rid of Rick Perry. Perry was supposed to win that straw poll."

LOL. It's a conspiracy. I tell ya!
I'm sorry, but I couldn't even get past that sentence before busting out laughing.

But then you say this, "Perry was supposed to perform much better then he did."

He was SUPPOSED to perform better?

But it was all some plan?
Yikes.

Mike D.| 10.14.11 @ 8:23PM

Everything is a conspiracy with Jackboot, the site nutjob. The Jews control everything with jack. Ron Paul is going to free us from the Jewish Bondage.....blah.....blah....blah...Aliens landed and .......and so on and so forth.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 10:07AM

Actually Micky, you appear to have a bug up your ass about Jack.

What's the matter, Israel Firster Flunkie Stooge Smear Artist, ain't Jack Asskissin' your Israel Firster Agenda ?

Neither are many of us Tea Party Patriots nor is Our Tea Party Co-Favorite Presidential Candidate Dr.Ron Paul, Neither Is Our Tea Party Senator From The Commonwealth of Kentucky, Dr.Rand Paul.

Wanna make somwthin' of it Rodent ?

Hmmmmm Girl ?

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 10:31AM

Dave H. Jr., getting a bit ruffled? Huh? Somwthin? Hands shakin when you type? Rodent? Girl? Yeah, thats it. Give me your best shot, C,mon, I know you got better than that.

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 10:46AM

Dave, did you see how I used c,mon and shakin in that post? This butchering of the English language is fuuuunnnnn stuff!

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 10:49AM

I am going to capitalize every word in my next post, Dave, thats really cool!

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 12:50PM

Let's Guess, Which Fixated Israel Firster Flunkie Stooge Is Really, Little Micky D. Here.
The Crippled Russkie, Victor.
The Anti-Catholic Joisey Girl, Dr.Reich.
Occam's Tool Puller.
Drunk Swabbie.
Meat Whacker Grizlicker.

You're Scared Of The Tea Party & Our Co-Favorite Presidential Candidate Dr.Ron Paul.

Boo !

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 12:54PM

Boo, Cool, its Halloween.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 1:00PM

And, You're A Candy.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 12:53PM

Why Sweetie Pie ?

Are You Toughie Girl, Little Micky D. ?

Hmmmmmmm Cupcake ?

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 1:27PM

So whats it going to be Dave? Candy, Isreal Firster, Rodent, Toughie Girl, Regular Girl, Plain Girl, Girl Girl, Female Girl. Personally, I like Rodent myself.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 1:35PM

I Kinda Like Rodent Too, Brooks.

Have Your People Call My People & We'll Do Lunch.

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 1:40PM

Cool, Brooks the Rodent and Dave Hitler Jr. WWF here we come. The skies the limit, I tell ya the skies the limit!!!

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 2:07PM

Le Bec-Fin , Johnny Pollard Brooks.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 12:34PM

Little Neo-Chickenhawk Israel FirsterMicky D. Is Scared Of MUUUUUUUUUSLIMS.

Aaaaaand You're Scared Of The Tea Party & Our Co-Favorite Presidential Candidate Dr. Ron Paul.

Boo !

Mike D.| 10.14.11 @ 8:27PM

See thats why jackboot always posts late. He get his little anti-semetic rants and Paulbot is Jesus....sorry jackboot, jesus was jewish...how about the political messiah....whoops....Messiah is Jewish too. How about Ron Paul is the only hope for the world. That cool?

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 10:11AM

Sorry Israel Firster Rodent Micky D., Jesus Was The First Jew For Jesus.

Many of Us Tea Party Patriots Are Supporters Of Our Co-Favorite Presidential Candidate Dr.Ron Paul.

Wanna Make Somethin' Of It Israel Firster Rodent ?

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 10:35AM

Dave H. Jr. , I think it goes something like this:

Wanna Make Something Of It Israel Firster Rodent? Fixed for you, and at no charge!

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 12:38PM

Dr.Reich, I think It goes like this.

You were invited to come to my gym & sign a waiver & then I would give you a free boxing lesson.

Did You Forget, Cupcake ?

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 10:50AM

Whats it going to be Dave? 20 paces turn and fire, sword duel, or scrabble?

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 12:39PM

Asked & Answered Dr.Reich.

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 1:01PM

Wow, Dave Hitler Jr. vs. Isreal Firster "The Hebrew Hammer" One for the Ages.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 1:27PM

The Terminator vs. Brooks "The Super Jew"

http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/.....er-jew.jpg

Mike D.| 10.14.11 @ 8:50PM

Ask Jackboot about the Holocaust fraud. Yep, the thing was a setup as an excuse to create the state of Isreal. Its great stuff.

emo| 10.14.11 @ 10:07PM

Jack:

Go back to Stormfront, no one likes you here

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 10:02AM

We Tea Party Patriots like Jack.
He's An American First, Not An Israel Firster Traitor Bastard.

Wanna Make Somethin' Of It, Rodent.

Caroline| 10.14.11 @ 8:07PM

From an article written by Dr. Jack Wheeler at To The Point News. He used to work for the CIA and was part of the Reagan Adminstration.

tothepointnews.com

"The next GOP presidential candidate debate is four days from now, Tuesday, October 18, in Vegas on CNN. It will focus primarily albeit not exclusively on foreign policy.

I've been asked by friends of a particular candidate to provide him with a private briefing on the most critical foreign policy issues America faces. What follows is not the usual HFR but a condensed summary of that briefing, which contains much of my Map of the Future talk at Rendezvous XI last weekend."

The American Economy and Foreign Policy. A strong America obviously requires a strong and flourishing economy. This can only be achieved by getting the government out of the way of it.

This cannot be done by a smooth-talking sophist who believes in Warmism (thus renewable energy crony capitalist scams), and whose health care program served as the model for the abomination of Obamacare.

This cannot be done by a Johnny One Note who can only talk about his tax reform plan that will take years to implement (if ever), and thus will do absolutely nothing to immediately revive the economy and create massive job growth.

This cannot be done by anyone pretending his business experience can be applied to running a government. Governments and their bureaucracies are the opposite of a for-profit business and cannot be run on business principles. Governments, the federal government in particular, can only be run on Constitutional principles, which means eliminating all federal activities, programs, agencies, and departments not enumeratedly authorized by the Constitution. (Not all at once but in an orderly manner - Rome wasn't torn down in a day.)

This can be done only by someone with successful executive government experience who is committed to those Constitutional restrictions, most particularly those embodied in the 10th Amendment.

I wish that person well in the debate next Tuesday and in the months of campaigning to come. The 2012 GOP nomination campaign will be a test of endurance. It will not and mathematically cannot be won quickly.

30 states hold their GOP primaries before April, which are by new RNC rules proportional. A candidate who wins a majority or plurality of votes in these primaries only gets his proportion of the delegates - it's not winner-take-all. 55% of the votes, say, gets you 55% of the delegates, no more.

Further, because they are in violation of RNC rules for insisting on ridiculously early primaries, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina, Florida, Arizona, and Michigan will be penalized with a loss of half of their delegates. Iowa is a non-binding caucus so it's just a pr show.

The race will not be won until deep into April - and thus will be won by the best funded, best organized, and most determined never-give-up persistent candidate. For America's sake, let that candidate be also the most Constitutionally principled.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 8:14PM

"This cannot be done by anyone pretending his business experience can be applied to running a government."

Another attack on Herman Cain. LOL!!
This guy's really getting to them!

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 4:30PM

Wall Street & The Ruling Elite & Their Flunkie Stooges Are Setting Us Up For Their Frontman, Mittens Romney.

Follow The Campaign Money Trail.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

loulou| 10.14.11 @ 12:31PM

If you must send money to Florida, send it to Col. Allen West.

Thomas Paine| 10.14.11 @ 2:36PM

Hear hear!

Racer99| 10.14.11 @ 3:40PM

Tripple Hear!

Simon Templar| 10.14.11 @ 7:05PM

Mr. Pennell:

You are avery perceptive person and have an amazing stream of thoughts. It is like surfing a wave. Just wanted you to know that.

Would also like to add...have you noticed that within the first twelve hours of release of the polls that put Cain out in front of Mitt, a hurricane of negativity, smear, distortion, and attack started with all fury from the AP news wires all the way to the O'Reilly factor.

The Paulbots below have come out of their holes as well. These people are truly demented. They will stop at nothing to smear, lie, cheat, rant, and attack every candidate to promote their lover boy even if it means increasing the chances and position of Obama for reelection. They will sit at home and let it happen if their lover boy is not nominated. You can count on it.

Vivian Pondexter| 10.14.11 @ 9:46AM

Will someone please give us an update on Ben Stein's condition.

He had gastric bypass at Cedars of Lebanon Hospital in L.A. a couple of days ago, and I understand there were some complications following the operation.

Please issue an update, and let Ben know that he is in our hearts and prayers. Thank you.

faxmatter| 10.14.11 @ 12:26PM

Let's see if I have this right. Romney's campaign says that we should keep the Mormon thing out of the equation - otherwise we are bigots. Then Romney conspires with the Mormon states (Utah and Nevada) to cheat the party rules by moving their primaries forward to help anoint Romney as the GOP's candidate. I think that stinks. Romney needs to go down.

Racer99| 10.14.11 @ 3:48PM

I live in Utah, I am not a Mormon, and I have heard nothing of Utah moving it's date up.

Also for those Christians that fell Romney is not a REAL Cristian I would like to state you are listening to the whisperings of The Adversary. Christ makes that decision, not the purveyors of religious bigotry. It is the Fallen One who wants to prevent the unification of Christians, why are you helping? I know who Romney is, I know what he is, and he would be a fine president.

By the way I am a re-born christian and a Cain supporter. I much prefer Cain because he is NOT a politician, he is a true citizen leader and would make a superb POTUS. Cain/Gingrich all the way.

Alan Brooks| 10.14.11 @ 4:06PM

Just today, a savvy rightwing friend urged me to vote for Cain; and if Cain shows he's better than Obama, then I will. Next summer is a long time from now, and the election is a few months after that. So there's time to make up the mind.
However, if you are going to merely trade a liberal darky for a progressive darky- forget it.

Alan Brooks| 10.14.11 @ 4:11PM

..you have to admit: Cain is a statist.
Cain isn't a vegetarian gay buddhist democratic socialist...
however Herman Cain will wind up being- if is elected president- every bit as statist as all your post-Reaganites.
Cain is your negro state-capitalist 'conservative' (sentimentally old fashioned).

Solo| 10.14.11 @ 4:12PM

"Darky"...? Are you kidding me?

You lose all credibility when you use language like that.

Alan Brooks| 10.14.11 @ 4:13PM

Take your Rightwing PC and shove it.

Simon Templar| 10.14.11 @ 7:08PM

Alan, what is with the 'darky' language?

Alan Brooks| 10.14.11 @ 7:59PM

"Alan, what is with the 'darky' language?"

You have neo-confederates such as Red Phillips saying 'nice' (racist) things about the Confederacy, so one can have fun with it, too. long as its not the 'n' word.

Alan Brooks| 10.14.11 @ 7:59PM

Or Jack in Wi, with his "I am not a goddamned JEW hater.

Mike D.| 10.14.11 @ 8:29PM

Com'n Alan, Jack don't hate Jews, he just wants them gone off the face of the earth. They can live on some other planet if they can find a way there.

Alan Brooks| 10.14.11 @ 10:29PM

You're right, when Jack wrote above, "that giant WELFARE QUEEN state Israel, he meant it affectionately.
And Jack's other comment:

"Himmler and Heydrich were good clean family guys"...

was a family values comment.

And when he wrote,

"Ilsa Koch only used the skin of Jews to make lampshades because there was a shortage of conventional lampshades in her house"...

it was a statement of practical fact:
in wartime shortages DO occur.

Alan Brooks| 10.16.11 @ 1:31AM

Jack in Wi:
"I DO NOT-
REPEAT, NOT-
HATE THE GODDAMNED JEWS;
ONE CAN HATE GERMANY WITHOUT HATING GERMANS:
AND HATE AMERICA WITHOUT HATING AMERICANS.

THUS ONE CAN HATE ISRAEL WITHOUT HATING JEWS."

Have A Nice Goddamned Day :)

Mike D.| 10.16.11 @ 3:17PM

Jack in Wi.| 9.10.11 @ 10:04AM
"Whatever good individual Jews have done in the world pails in comparission to the bad of the last 200 years. Atheism, communism, Socialism, Nuclear Weapons, expansionist Zionism, and nuclear blackmail"

Notice, NOT talking about Isreal here, Just Jews period! That above quote Alan is some of the most twisted logic I have seen in a while.

Alan Brooks| 10.16.11 @ 10:43PM

Jack will be staying late after school on Monday
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Mike D.| 10.17.11 @ 8:23AM

In Hebrew! LOL

missbosslady| 10.14.11 @ 6:09PM

In May 2009 I had the following e-mail exhange with the folks over at the Club for Growth:

My E-mail:

I just joined this site today and was about to donate to you when I noticed your endorsement of Marco Rubio (FL).

I was astonished, in as much as Rubio is exactly the reason I came to this site, to seek opposition to him as a candidate for the US Senate.

I will refer you to an April 17, 2008 article in the Miami Herald titled Dade Lawmakers Stymie Bills, under the category: Immigration.

In short, Mr. Rubio conspired (successfully) with Miami-Dade lawmakers to stifle debate over illegal immigration proposals in the house.

I was outraged then, and am more so now. I will not donate a single penny to your PAC. I am flabbergasted by your support of Rubio who puts Cubans first and foremost.

I have lived in Miami-Dade for over 30 years and have watched the Cuban/Hispanic community take over, fill elected positions with their own and legislate, not on behalf of Republicans, but on behalf of Cubans and Hispanics.

South Florida lawmakers, mostly Hispanic, have consistently put the interests of illegal aliens over those of the citizens of the state. It is beyond comprehension that you would endorse such a candidate.

My worst fears are confirmed; the Republican party is doomed. The GOP has been hanging onto me by a thread, and this may be the last straw.
Just plain sickening!!!

Their Response:

If it's any consolation, our thoughts on the FL-Sen race is more about opposing Crist than supporting Rubio. And regarding that race, I believe Crist is just as bad on immigration as Rubio so when comparing the two, Rubio is clearly the better candidate.

Regards,
Andy Roth
VP of Government Affairs
Club for Growth

My Retort:

You make a terrible argument. Yes, Rubio may be the lesser of two evils, but there are other candidates out there. Why settle for Rubio? I want to see opposition to Christ but not from Rubio, there are other Republicans in the state. In fact, there are Republicans in the state that actually support the party platform better than Rubio.

Again, I vehemently disagree with the Club's endorsement and wish you would reconsider. As I stated, this is exactly the problem with the GOP, agents within the party actively working against it. We cannot afford to continue to support candidates like Rubio if we ever hope to emerge with a clear agenda.

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And so it goes in the life of Republicans. (Shakes head sadly)

BackToBasics| 10.14.11 @ 7:46PM

I have also read that Rubio will do nothing to stop illegal immigration. He's far, far better than his opponent, Crist, in the election but still, he's overrated regarding his conservative credentials.

I've said it before that the litmus test for a true conservative is to see if he is both against illegal immigration and will take measures to try to stop it.

Of the nine primary candidates on the Republican side, on paper at least, Bachman is most opposed to illegal immigration and Cain is second to her in this. They are both better than Romney. I do back Cain however since I think he has a much better chance of beating Obam and he has many other strengths I like as well.

missbosslady| 10.14.11 @ 8:12PM

Rubio is not who conservatives thinks he is, his skill was in seeing the opportunity presented by the Tea Party and pyaing lip service to them. No doubt he played a good game, but if you go back and review you will find that he has never taken a position on illigal immigration and that is certainly by design. Rubio knows that if his position became known conservatives would abandon him in a heart beat.

BackToBasics| 10.15.11 @ 2:35AM

I think you misunderstand my reply. I was agreeing with your initial comment. He has said enough to where it is known that he will not stop illegal immigration.

missbosslady| 10.15.11 @ 11:10AM

I didn't misunderstand. I have a tendency to repeat myself. Living in South Florida for almost four decades has me a bit over wrought about the issue.

John II| 10.14.11 @ 8:53PM

"Tell me something he's done right. ANYTHING!"

The Professor and his retinue of zanies and thugs and degenerates shattered the Clinton machine in 2008. Other than that, nothing. And much worse than nothing.

And now back to "The Last Hurrah" (1958), in which Spencer Tracy heads a political machine that finally poops out. In retrospect, I think it may turn out to have been better to have had the shameless narcissism of the liberal mindset on full public display for four years in the form of the Professor, rather than to have had it obscured by the smarmy mendacity and icy hysterics of what's-her-name, the Velociraptor.

Alan Brooks | 10.14.11 @ 11:56PM

http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET.....r20111014/

aware| 10.14.11 @ 6:22AM

Sooner or later you will realize politicians are not your friends and that government is a vast criminal conspiracy. Maybe then you will also know it won't matter who gets "elected", this train is going over the cliff.

TrueBlue| 10.14.11 @ 11:33AM

When it comes down to it, any time Karl Rove says something I go the other direction. The man is a prime example of the Ruling Class Elite in D.C. and their attempts to keep out anyone that speaks out against it.

Perry and Newt need to drop out and throw their support to Cain. That will do three things for the GOP. One, it will put support behind the only candidate that has an actual plan (regardless of how you feel about it) to fix things in government instead of only focusing on things the current administration did wrong. Two, it will prove they are both actual conservatives and not just talking heads trying for "their turn." If they really want to stay involved beyond that point that can join the campaign and get selected for various Cabinet positions. Three, it will show the country that the GOP is not composed entirely of those same Ruling Class Elite morons that have screwed up America so much in the last 20 years.

As for my comment above about not focusing only on what the current administration has screwed up, I'm NOT saying not to bring those up. But you need to also have a plan to fix it. Other than repealing things that have been put in place, nobody except Cain has a dang plan. Even Ron Paul has only been harping on how they shouldn't have done this, how he'll remove this, how he'll end that. The only original idea he's had is how he'll audit the Fed... yup, that'll fix everything right there! /sarcasm

Whether you like it or not, Cain's plan is actual action that can be taken (no matter how hard it may be to get through Congress) to fix the problem that is our federal government. He has also shown that he is willing to admit when he is wrong. And above all, he started from the bottom and worked his way all the way to the top THREE TIMES. Cain is the embodiment of the American Dream; that no matter who you are, or what part of life you come from, you can make something of yourself. That even someone whose parents were both working class citizens can rise to become one of those wealthy people just about everyone wishes they could be, so long as you are WILLING TO WORK FOR IT. He is the counter for all these kids that think they are entitled to an education, or a high class job, just because they went through school. Cain worked for everything that he got, and that is what angers and scares the establishment people.

He isn't one of them.

aware| 10.14.11 @ 3:51PM

If you knew what the Fed does you would know how UNsarcastic it really is to know a lot of our economic problems would be fixed with ending it.

As far as "fixing the Federal government" goes, Cain plan won't even touch that but it will get you a Democratic wet dream, a national sales tax with the income tax. Just imagine with a consumption tax how much the Nits in the Nanny State can control your life. He, and anybody else, who doesn't understand what boon to politicians and the State this will be is either a naive fool or a paid dupe.

The problem is not taxes. Or how an extortion scheme is administered. Number 1 problem is spending. Number 2 is debt to keep #1 going. Number 3 is the amount of private wealth removed from the economy in the form of taxes, also to keep #1 going. Cain has already said his plan is "revenue neutral" which means the amount of wealth confiscated to keep this circus on the road is fine by him. It doesn't do anything about the spending thing.

If you put a national sales tax on the table without the 16th amendment repealed first you will be very sorry. Has Obama made conservatives so incoherent in their rage they don't see the awful danger in this idea? Remember another time when we(our grandfathers) were promised that the new income tax would only affect "the richest"? Or when politicians promised that Social Security would only be 2% out of our checks?

Once upon a time conservatives would have proposed the repeal of income taxes for the evil it is. Now they just want to "make it fair", just like the the left. And they honestly believe this is "opposition" to "the socialists". Pathetic.

TrueBlue| 10.14.11 @ 4:05PM

Everyone with half a brain knows the 16th would have to be repealed, and that Cain's plan would have to be an actual Amendment with actual safeguards against modifying it that the 16th never had, so bring that up as a reason the plan is bad is silly.

Revenue neutral means that no matter how much you make you're not taxed differently than anyone else. No idea how you figure it means he's okay with the amount of wealth confiscated right now. If he was okay with it he wouldn't be proposing a system to tax people LESS. Also, a sales tax, while it would increase the cost of goods would STILL result in my getting 6% more of my income in my pocket than the current system does.

No matter how much everyone wants to get rid of taxes, until the government has ZERO debt it just isn't possible. The best thing to do until that point is to reduce taxes to increase business and grow the economy, curtail spending, and remove a good number of departments and agencies that have no reason to exist. Every conservative already understands, and most agree, on the last two. The only one that really needs discussion in a GOP debate is the first one, and Cain is the only one that's bothered to talk about it.

TrueBlue| 10.14.11 @ 4:39PM

I take that last sentence back slightly. Santorum has spoken about tax changes as well, and what he'd do. Sadly he's way down in the polls and I don't see him coming up any time soon or I'd be backing him. He'd make a great VP or head of the Treasury though.

aware| 10.14.11 @ 5:54PM

Do you have any idea of what passing a constitutional amendment entails? See here and notice especially the president has NO role in the entire process:http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/
It always helps to know correct things. The pertinent article in the Constitution is V.

Revenue neutral means the same amount of money collected by government no matter what changes in the tax code. Not sure where you get "Revenue neutral means that no matter how much you make you're not taxed differently than anyone else." But this is NOT what the term means. Hence you couldn't understand what I mean by him being OK with the amount.

"...my getting 6% more of my income in my pocket ..." Isn't it wonderful when our rulers and would be rulers decide to let us have 6% more of what we work for! God save the king! Sorry but I couldn't help myself.....

The reality is that conservatives have never cut anything. Name one agency, department, or even funding for same that was cut? They've promised it for 50 years, just like now, but it has never happened. I wish it had, even a little bit. None of the "frontrunners" will cut a thing, if you think they will you're smokin' hopium. They just want to rearrange the deck chairs. They aren't worried about the speed and the fog.

TrueBlue| 10.15.11 @ 1:13PM

I'm well aware the President has practically nothing to do with the process, but he CAN push for the party to get off their asses and do the right thing. Whether they agree to do it or not is another matter entirely. But you know the White House releases a budget every year right? Then Congress adjusts it and votes on their "finished" version before it goes back to the President for signing. In that budget he can make suggestions for tax rate adjustments, etc.

Even assuming the government takes in the same amount through the taxes, what is the problem? When taxes go down, government revenue tends to go up. His plan is cautious in saying it's revenue neutral. People make more money, they tend to spend more, which means more tax revenue. You'd think it was rocket science.

Oh yea, and the personal income taxes he's talking about INCLUDES SS and Medicare.

I would be all for us going back to not having to pay ANY income taxes, but you know what? THAT ISN'T REALISTIC. IF the country had no debt then we could do that, but we are in huge debt, so the idea of not having an income tax right now is insane.

You know why they never cut anything? Because people keep voting for the establishment types in. If people would actually vote for someone else when the politician they elected last time didn't keep his word, you'd start to see changes. Everyone else on that stage is a politician, vote for the one who isn't.

I'll say it again, it may not be a perfect plan, but it's better than anything anyone else has proposed. At the very least it gets people actually thinking about it!

aware| 10.15.11 @ 3:50PM

Since having an income tax didn't prevent the acquisition of the debt, I fail to see how keeping it somehow pays it off. You don't understand politicians at all. Maybe Cain doesn't either. Failure to understand the political arena is like swimming in shark infested waters with a cut on both legs. You don't have to be a shark, but you'd better understand sharks.

Now you pay the Feds when you make money. With Cain's plan you will pay them when you earn AND when you spend. If you or he, thinks that 9% is anything but an "introductory" teaser rate in the hands of the political class, you are both insane. And if you can't see the glaring Orwellian nightmare this will be for liberty, well its hard to overcome conditioning and indoctrination of a lifetime. 'Specially for a party man. It will be a disaster economically and for liberty.

If the Democrats were proposing this you would smell a rat immediately, but because a Republican is it hardly gives you pause. Wait till you see what Democrats will do with a national sales tax to beat the "wrong" kind of "behaviors" out of you.

TrueBlue| 10.15.11 @ 4:29PM

It will only be introductory if it is written to allow it to be adjusted. I understand politicians quite well actually, which is why I support Cain, BECAUSE HE ISN'T ONE. All of the other candidates have held political office.

No matter how you look it, no matter how much the government reduces spending, they will need taxes to pay off the debt. Which candidate would you prefer? Since you seem to have an idea of the perfect person for the job. All you have done is point out negatives, but you have yet to give a solution of your own. If you have one, find a candidate and suggest it, or send it to your House Rep or Senator maybe! Hell, run for office yourself and tell people about it!

I could care less what somebody's political party is, I've always voted based on each particular candidates record, whether in private industry or their previous political record if they have one. So don't assume that I am agreeing with it just because a Republican suggested it. I didn't like either of the Bush presidencies, though H.W. did better than his son if you ignore the fact he fell for the same trick Reagan did of promising cuts for raising taxes. They were still better than the alternative (barely in the case of Jr.).

Everything you have said has led me to believe that either you don't live in reality, or you are searching for some theoretical perfect candidate that knows exactly what to do to turn things around, has never done anything wrong in their life, and has never come even close to being in politics... oh wait, those are all impossible, especially that last one, because dealing with people is technically politics.

aware| 10.16.11 @ 12:42PM

You actually think a debt of 60 to 80 trillion bucks can be paid off? The real debt may well be 10 times GDP. The debt is unpayable and governments throughout history in this position have only had 2 choices, default or hyperinflate the debt away. I suggest you investigate the Ming dynasty, the Ottoman empire, or Brazil in the '90s, Germany in the '20s, or a host of other examples. They all did the same as we will do.

I would also say check out what Mises called The Crack up Boom.

There is no such thing as an honest politician. None of them can prevent what they have caused, a systemic collapse of epic proportions. Money printing can hide this, like now, for a while but that always ends the same, monetary destruction. Don't believe those offering superficial treatments for mortal wounds.

Instead of believing one of them will save you with their promises you should take steps for yourself. The step from inflation to hyperinflation is a swift one with shattering consequences if you are not prepared.

And maybe I am nuts, but I say it is too late for "policy" edge nibbling to prevent what years of folly have brought us to.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 12:18PM

You know that the Bible says that the whole world is in the power of the evil one. 1 Jn. 5:19.

You also know that when Christ returns, the government "shall be upon His Shoulder". Is. 9:6.

For now, as Christians, we should do our civic duty and vote for the best candidate possible for the Presidency. It's just common sense and reality till He returns.

aware| 10.14.11 @ 3:54PM

And you know He said that the rulers of this world lord it over those under them and call themselves benefactors. Then He said His people are not to be like that. And then there's the part about serving 2 masters?

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 6:52PM

Yeah, so?
Are you trying to tell me that by voting in the elections, I'm being "like them?"
Nah. Just not the truth.
Nor is anybody "serving two masters by voting for the most conservative candidate that we are able to.
Remember He also said we are in the World, but not of it. It's what we are on the inside that counts.

aware| 10.14.11 @ 7:19PM

"Nor is anybody "serving two masters by voting for the most conservative candidate that we are able to."

Maybe, maybe not, but you are deluding yourself if you think any of these Party cogs are going to change anything. Remember last Nov. when I told you your boyfriends would snake out on you? Rubio lookin' good now, ain't he? Where's that repeal Obamacare you were promised? Seen any cuts in spending? Seems all quiet on the cut and repeal front. Nary even a threat of "defunding" to be heard. Bet your boys raise the debt ceiling again in the next 4 months too. Irritating isn't it?

There's only one Party and you support the right wing of it.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 8:03PM

We've talked about this before, about how things are so messed up and at the point of no return. I keep saying I get it, with the addition of the fact that I see it as my duty to vote.

None of the candidates are perfect, one's a terrorist sympathizer, one's a member of a Religious cult, or rather two are (Huntsman is too?).. but Herman Cain's a Christian. So is Perry.
You can't get much better than that.
Christian AND conservative? Sounds good enough to me!

And there isn't just one party. It's just that the Republican party has gotten soft.. because we've let it.

I haven't given to the RNC for many years. I suggest we all put our money where are mouths are, and send it to the individual candidates.

I just don't see it as God's will to sort of "drop out of society" and not vote, or throw my vote away to the Left.

TrueBlue| 10.15.11 @ 2:50PM

News flash, it takes both the House and Senate to repeal a bill, or to pass a new one. Which one do the new guys have control of? Oh yea, ONLY the House. How many bills have they passed only to be tabled by the Senate without even any discussion? At least 6 last time I checked, including 2 budget bills.

Blame the people responsible, the Democrat controlled Senate, and President Obama who has said on several occasions he would veto any of the bills the House has put forward, specifically mentioning the bill each time they come up with a new one. Yea, darn those guys in the House for doing their job and only being 1/3 of the entire law process...

Alan Brooks| 10.14.11 @ 4:13PM

"Sooner or later you will realize politicians are not your friends and that government is a vast criminal conspiracy. Maybe then you will also know it won't matter who gets "elected", this train is going over the cliff."

Yet Americans are, since they have more freedom, particularly dishonest--
so they get dishonest government.

Democracy is everyone getting what they deserve.

aware| 10.14.11 @ 6:08PM

You have it backwards, it is the State that breeds corruption in its citizens. If you believe Americans are more dishonest because of freedom then we would have been much worse people at the beginning. And we would have been getting steadily better with the rise of State control over more and more of our lives.

Government is always at the center of a corrupt nation and is always dominant over corrupt citizens. Indeed, corruption on this scale would be impossible without government.

Kitty| 10.14.11 @ 6:31AM

If the GOP elites are reading this -- especially the ones who were quoted in that NYT article "Does Anyone Have a Grip on the GOP?" -- know this: You are loathed.

Anthony| 10.14.11 @ 10:15AM

I agree Kitty. They are right up there with the New York Times itself.
Guess I have to ask my liberal friend to save me the NY Times magazine section so I can read this article carefully.
We have been fighting a multi-front war for decades now. 2012 will blow the lid on all this regardless of who wins, the pressure point has almost been reached.
America on the verge.

Jack von Bauer| 10.14.11 @ 6:32AM

Et tu Rubio?

Once again conservatives are left shaking their heads. There isn't one conviction conservative available for your Chief of Staff?

Thomas Paine| 10.14.11 @ 2:38PM

I'd reserve judgement until all the facts are out.

missbosslady| 10.14.11 @ 8:45PM

Want to know where Rubio's heart really lies? Look up and see the very first piece of legislation that he put forward.

I'll give you a hint.

It had absolutely nothing to do with any of the very serious problems the country is facing, but the Cubans were happy.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 6:33AM

Wall Street & The Ruling Elite are setting us up for their Frontman, Mittens Romney.

Follow The Campaign Money Trail.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 8:13AM

Ron Paul = 5%

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 8:15AM

Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday.

Romney, 23%. Cain, 19%. Paul, 13%.

Steve A| 10.14.11 @ 9:25AM

Ap poll released moments ago.

Bowling Pin, 27%. Pocket Lint, 24%. Ron Paul, 13%:

Margin of error +/- 3%

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 9:44AM

Ron Paul = 5%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....al_primary

Reuters = left-wing crap.

Rasmussen is the MOST reliable poll.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 9:56AM

No It Isn't, RINO-CINO Bloviator.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com.....l/pollster ratings

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 10:01AM

RON PAUL = 5%

NO ONE cares what www.fivethirtyeight.com says...except you and your dimwitted Paul-bot buddies.

5%

5%

RON PAUL = 5%

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:57AM

Do Your Homework, RINO-CINO Bloviator Dr.Reich.

FiveThirtyEight.com is the 2008 Weblog Award Winner for "Best Political Coverage".

FiveThirtyEight.com earned a 2009 "Bloggie" as the "Best Weblog about Politics" in the 9th Annual Weblog Awards.

In April 2009 Nate Silver was named "Blogger of the Year" in the 6th Annual Opinion Awards of The Week, for his work on FiveThirtyEight.com.

In September 2009, FiveThirtyEight.com's predictive model was featured as the cover story in STATS: The Magazine for Students of Statistics.

In November 2009, FiveThirtyEight.com was named one of "Our Favorite Blogs of 2009" ("Fifty blogs we just can't get enough of") by PC Magazine.

In December 2009, FiveThirtyEight was recognized by The New York Times Magazine in its "Ninth Annual Year in Ideas" for conducting "Forensic Polling Analysis" detective work on the possible falsification of polling data by a major polling firm.

In November 2010, Editor-in-Chief of Politico John F. Harris, writing in Forbes Magazine, listed Nate Silver as one of seven bloggers among "The Most Powerful People on Earth": "The New York Times recently began hosting Nate Silver's delightfully granular blog about the numbers that underlie politics".[105]

In June 2011, Time's "The Best Blogs of 2011" named FiveThirtyEight one of its Essential Blogs: "In 2010, political-numbers man Nate Silver moved his independent blog onto the big-time platform that is the New York Times' site. The new version of Five Thirty Eight has a more corporate look and feel, but the appeal — Silver's clever analysis of poll data and other information relating to political horse races — remains the same. And the Times' tougher moderation of comments has improved the quality dramatically. With Election Day 2012 on the horizon, this blog is going to get more essential in the months to come".

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 11:57AM

5%

Quartermaster| 10.14.11 @ 1:58PM

Are you old enough to know what the mean of "stuck record" is? A stupid comment does not become intelligent by repetition.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 2:31PM

Yes.

I've resorted to dealing with Clint in a manner he'll understand:

Robo-posting the same point over and over and over again...

RON PAUL = 5%

Spartanfan| 10.14.11 @ 2:01PM

Oh my God... More of this?!

Would you two STOP! I asked you last night on American Spectator to bring something new, some sort of insight and here you are... again...

Did not!... Did so!... Am not!... Are so!... Did not!... Did so!... Am not!... Are so! ... Did not!... Did so!... Am not!... Are so!... Did not!... Did so!... Am not!... Are so!... Did not!... Did so!... Am not!... Are so!...

Just STOP... BOTH OF YOU KNOCK IT OFF!!!

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 2:31PM

...Did not!

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 2:49PM

Ooooh yes you did!
LOL!

Noolasi Luapnor| 10.14.11 @ 2:22PM

One, that fivethirtyeight site redirects to the new york times. That's a clue for ya. Here's another:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.n.....for-perry/

Article's mostly about Perry but ... Ron Paul 2.5%.

Ha ha.

Doctor Right might be right though. Ron Paul only has to double from here to get to 5%.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 2:59PM

Sneaky Bastard Coward Noolasi Luapnor has to hide behind His Backward Punk Poseur Poster Moniker.
Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday.

Romney, 23%. Cain, 19%. Paul, 13%.

That's Top Tier.

Where's Perry ?

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 10:49AM

Steve, according to my calculations, Pocket Lint is surging, and drawing support from Ron Paul.

However, my money's on my own dark horse candidate: Sir Lancelot Du Lac.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a mythical figure and, even if he were real, he'd have been dead for, what, 800 years?

But he'd have been against the Fed, and, dammit, that's good enough for me. And if you don't believe that Lancelot will save the Republic, I will burn it down in order to convince you.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:38AM

Tell Your Crap To Our Military, Grizzilicky.

" Overall, 71 percent of military donations for the 2012 presidential race have gone to Ron Paul, while Minnesota Representative Michele Bachmann received five percent, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney eight percent, and Cain 13 percent. All other candidates combined have received three percent of the military donations. "

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 11:58AM

Ron Paul = 5%

Noolasi Luapnor| 10.14.11 @ 2:23PM

I looked that one up Lint, and it's about a tiny selection of contributions totally a little over 30 thousand. And Obama was a close second behind Ron Paul.

Facts are not your friends, lint.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 2:32PM

Facts aren't Clint's friend???

...Neither are people.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:51PM

Not Anti-Catholic Bigot People Like You, Dr.Reich.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:05PM

Do Your Homework Israel Firster Propaganda Poseur Punk Poster With The Phoney Backward Moniker.

You're Scared To Post Under Your Usual Name.

The Facts Are Just What Politifact Says They Are.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 12:20PM

"But he'd have been against the Fed, and, dammit, that's good enough for me."
LOL!!

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 12:33PM

Former FED Guy Herman Cain Was Against Auditing The FED , Before He Was For Auditing The FED.

Tea Party Pressure Made Cain Capitulate.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 12:38PM

Dr.Ron Paul Called Out Cain On The FED.

Check Both Before & After Videos.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/....._blog.html

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here

Dan| 10.14.11 @ 1:53PM

Clint and Dr.Right
Since yout both want to beat Obama why don't you guys can the attacks on the candidates. Waste of time. Same stuff every day.

Noolasi Luapnor| 10.14.11 @ 2:25PM

Dan, what makes you think Lint wants to beat Obama?

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:54PM

What Makes You Think That Israel Firster Backward Coward's Poseur Punk Poster Moniker Isn't A Traitor Bastard ?

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:10PM

Dan, Fixated Dr.Reich Stalks & Starts It, Most Of The Time.

Where I Come From We Stand Up To His Kinda Crap.

He Can Either Steer Clear Of Dr. Paul & I Or Get What He Asks For.

The Tea Party Doesn't Back Down.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 2:33PM

RON PAUL = 5%

Alan Brooks| 10.15.11 @ 12:08AM

"Bowling Pin, 27%. Pocket Lint, 24%. Ron Paul, 13%:"

Caledonia Mahogany Elbow, 14%.
Ear Wax, 15%
Do Not Remove Under Penalty Of Law mattress-sticker, 16%
Hairy Tarantula Pedipalp, 17%

Too close to call!

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 10:21AM

We Tea Party Patriots Note that Obama Israel Firsters Alan Brooks & RCV always jump in on this website to help RINO-CINO Israel Firsters Smear up & Marginalize Our Tea Party Co-Favorite Presidential Candidate Dr.Ron Paul.

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 9:41AM

Hey, jackass fanboy:

As long as Paul's most vocal supporters are drooling whack jobs like you with bumper sticker brains, he will remain a fringe candidate.

Ever consider that jackasses like you are why nobody takes Paul seriously?

Perhaps if he had some grown-ups among his vocal supporters he would be higher in the polls.

The last thing the "tea party rebellion" needs is angry, ignorant apes like you cheerleading.

I like some of Paul's positions. What I don't like are the many cretinous thugs like you who believe he is a messiah.

Now what are you going to do? Use a tire iron to convince that other 86% that he's just dreamy?

Asshole.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 9:46AM

Don't sweat it.

Clint and his ilk will jump off of a bridge after Ron Paul loses the nomination...again.

RON PAUL = 5%

http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....al_primary

USSAlabama| 10.14.11 @ 10:01AM

They won't jump off a bridge -- but they won't vote.

That is a huge problem and emblematic of the childishness of the followers.

If their guy doesn't get the nomination -- they boycott the election and whine for the next 4 years.

Mike D.| 10.14.11 @ 10:20AM

Well, at the very least somebody will have to remove all the sharp silverware out of the drawers.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 10:28AM

The amount of true, die-hard Ron Paul rock-heads who won't vote is VERY small.

I think they purposefully inflate their influence.

Most of them will vote on election day because most of them aren't dumb.

...Then there's Clint...

But he'll still vote on election day. Clint is ALL talk.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 12:21PM

He wrote in his brother-in-law last time.
I wonder who he'll vote for this time around.

TrueBlue| 10.14.11 @ 11:35AM

If you don't vote, you have no right to complain about the results.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 12:22PM

Bingo!
But they will never shut up or quit blaming the rest of us for actually voting, (but not for THEIR candidate!)

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 12:43PM

What "Us " ?

You Mean Your Mancrush John McCain RINO-CINO Margie .

You Said You'd Vote For Romney.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 12:52PM

Hey stupid:

Oh, and LIAR:

I had no "mancrush". I'm just not an idiot, and voted for the Republican ticket, in order to ensure that Obama wouldn't get elected.

What did you do, punk?

And yes, I'll vote for Romney IF he is the nominee, and for the same reason.

IDIOT.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:58PM

You Bloviated On The Serial Traitor To Conservatism Until He Got His Ass Kicked, Israel FirsterApocalyptic Crank Lady Margie

You'd Vote For A Refrigerator, If It Would Go To War For Your Israel Agenda, Apocalyptic Crank Lady RINO-CINO Margie.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 6:47PM

FALSE again. You just make stuff up as you breathe, dirtbag.

Repent, idiot. Your mind is gone.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:27PM

You're A Serial Sociopathic Liar, Apocalyptic Crank Lady, Margie

You Only Fell Off The John McCain,When He Was Being Badmouthed in His Later Arizona Senate Race.

God Knows You're A Liar.

He Has Your Number World Class Hypocrite & Anti-Catholic Bigot Pig.

Quartermaster| 10.14.11 @ 2:03PM

Sure you do. Particularly when the GOP elites keep providing an echo instead of a choice.

The whack jobs are the ones that keep voting for the same "lesser evil" the GOP hacks keep putting up. If they put up a Romney, then the GOP may well be destroyed by its own idiocy. We'll see if teh predictions of a real conservative party comes to pass. It's clear from the bloviators here and at the RNC, along with morons like Rove, that they are anything but Conservatives. They are just "right-wing" Progressives.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 2:47PM

Oh, I don't know, QM... maybe we should just pull the lever (or press the button) or pull the hanging chad for Obama then, and be done with it???
Sheesh.

axbucxdu| 10.15.11 @ 12:07AM

If more levers are pulled for conservative Congressmen and Senators it won't matter who is elected President.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:12PM

I Did Vote.

Don't Tell Me, Who I Have To Vote For, As An American Freeman, Sport.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Noolasi Luapnor| 10.14.11 @ 2:28PM

They'll vote, but they'll for for the libertarian candidate (the genuine ones) or for Obama (the trolls who are just piling on to make conservatives look loony).

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:15PM

You Gotta Hide Behind Youe Poseur Punk Poster Backwards Moniker.

We Tea Party Patriots Don't Allow You Israel Firster Propaganda Fanatics To Tell Us ,Who We Can Vote For.

We Are American Freemen,Israel Firster.

The Tea Parrty Rebellion Is Here.

Jack in Wi.| 10.14.11 @ 7:00PM

Why would I vote for Cain. I watched him in the last debate. He was destroyed by Bachman, Santorum, Gingrich, Huntsman and most of all by Ron Paul. 999 is 666 turned upside down. Such a plan would slash income and corporate taxes for the rich and pile on a 9% national sales tax on the rest of us. I have watched Herman in other venues. All he talks about how much better a manager he will be then Obama. He can't even defend his own tax plan. How the hell is he going to lead the country? If by some trick of fate old Herm got the nomination, there would be a record defection to third parties and stay at homes.

RCV| 10.14.11 @ 7:46PM

No, they'll vote. Ron Paul's ego is so tied up in this race, that he'll run as a Libertarian when he loses the GOP nomination. He's the Ralph Nader of the GOP. It's all about him.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:30PM

Dr.Ron Paul Is An Honorable American Military Veteran, Who You Israel Firsters Attempt To Smear Up & Marginalize, Israel Firster Obama Lawboy RCV.

Crawl Back In Your Hole .

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:06AM

Gee Dr.Reich, Joisey RINO_CINO, You're The Guy,Who Said He'd Vote For Romney.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 11:58AM

Ron Paul = 5%

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 11:02AM

Dr. Right, Clint has come up with what I think is a winning strategy:

He and his ilk are going to renounce violence in order to convince us they believe in civilized discourse (right, Clint? Now put down the tire iron, Mr. Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs).

Instead, they are collectively going to hold their breath until they all turn blue.

That ought to fix our wagons.

Well, when Paul fades into the memory hole of the 2012 campaign, Clint will at least have that nifty poster of Paul posing as a Super Hero (mounted atop a white steed, no less) above his bed to drift off into la-la land to every night.

Ronnie Loves Clinty 4-EVER!

Don't worry, Clinty - there's always 2016! And Paul will only be, what, 81 then? Good thing he invented that elixer of youth in his basement a couple of years ago.

Unfortunately, it's the Cloak of Viability that's giving him fits.

Turn that frown upside, Clinty. Just keep repeating, "The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here. The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here. The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here. The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here. The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here."

There now. Feeling better?

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:25AM

Tell Your Crap To Our Military, Grizzilicky.

" (CNN) -- America's veterans are proud of their military service, but in a new report published Wednesday, they expressed ambivalence about the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

In a new Pew Research Center report on war and sacrifice, half of post-9/11 veterans said the Afghanistan war has been worth fighting. Only 44% felt that way about Iraq, and one-third said both wars were worth the costs."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 11:59AM

In 2016, they'll all be shilling for Rand Paul...

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 12:10PM

The RINO-CINO Dr.Reich Badmouth's Our Tea Party Co-Favorite Presidential Candidate Dr. Ron Paul & Badmouths Our Supporting Our Tea Party Senator Dr. Rand Paul.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 12:31PM

5%

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 2:34PM

Rand Paul = 6%.

Jack in Wi.| 10.14.11 @ 7:04PM

Dr. Wrong: That is right in 2016 we will be pushing for Vice President Rand Paul to succeed his retiring father.

Mike D.| 10.14.11 @ 7:36PM

Keep on dreaming Jackboot. Just keep on dreamin'

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:33PM

Little Micky D. The Israel Firster Flunkie Stooge Attempts To Play His Dog Eared Anti-Semite Card On Jack,Who's More Of An American Than Micky D. Ever Will Be.

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 9:04AM

I don't have to attempt to play anything, its allllllll self inflicted. Its called using his own words numbnuts, Jackie here has his OWN anti-semite card and he could cut your finger with the edges. Young Dave, your dad Adolf could have used a lot of Americans like Jackie.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 10:26AM

But Little Israel Firster SmearBoy Propagandist Micky D. Many of We Tea Party Patriots don't Asskiss Your Traitor Bastard Israel Firster Agenda.

You're Scared of The tea Party & Our Tea Party Co-Favorite Presidential Candidate Dr,Ron Paul.

Wanna Make Somethin' Of It Israel Firster Traitor Bastard Little Micky D. ?

Hmmmmmm Rodent ?

Mike D.| 10.15.11 @ 9:24AM

One more thing Dave H. Jr., I don't play cards. I take them out of peoples pockets who already have one and show people what they look like. By the way, I'm BIG Micky D. Remember that.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 10:28AM

Yeah Ya Do Ya Little Israel Firster Rodent Smear Artist Propaganda Twerp .

Your A Little Gutless Coward Neo-Chickenhawk Rodent.

Remember That Cupcake.

Solo| 10.14.11 @ 4:21PM

IN the last nomination cycle we heard the same propaganda from the PaulBots who poo-pooed Rasmussen for consistently having Ron Paul polling at 4% nationwide.

When all was done and everything was tallied, Ron Paul had polled nationwide at ....4%.

They are consistently the most accurate polling service.
Trolling the net for some off the wall alternative source which simply tells you what you want to hear does you no service.

Hell...if the RuPaul finishes at 3 times his current polling numbers, he'll still fall waaaay short.
Learn to live with it.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:36PM

Tell Your Crap To Reuters, Israel Firster Weasel Stooge.

Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday.

Romney, 23%. Cain, 19%. Paul, 13%.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:03AM

Gee Grizzilicky, You Seem So PMS'y & Cranky This Fine Morning.

Maybe This Will Brighten Your Day.

"Harris Poll: Ron Paul, Mitt Romney Would Top President Obama

Released on Tuesday, September 27, the latest Harris Poll surveyed 2,462 adults and was conducted between September 12 and 19. According to the poll, if Texas Congressman Ron Paul wins the Republican presidential nomination he would beat Obama by 51 percent to 49 percent in the general election. On the other hand, if former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney wins the GOP nomination he would top Obama by 53 percent to 47 percent in the general election."

The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On Grizzilicky's Face.

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 10:51AM

Yeah, that's the stuff. You are SOOO convincing me you're not barricaded in some basement wearing a tinfoil hat and listening to Alex Jones.

WHACK JOB.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:10AM

Tell Your Crap To Our Military, Grizzilicky.

" Overall, 71 percent of military donations for the 2012 presidential race have gone to Ron Paul, while Minnesota Representative Michele Bachmann received five percent, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney eight percent, and Cain 13 percent. All other candidates combined have received three percent of the military donations. "

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

TrueBlue| 10.14.11 @ 11:38AM

I answered this yesterday. They only count votes over $200, which means mostly officer votes, and they do ZERO checking to confirm field of employment, so people can write whatever they want.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:58AM

Ohhhh !

Soooooo, Now You Say It's Military Officers Donating 71 Percent To Dr.Ron Paul.

" Dr. Ron Paul served in the United States Air Force as a flight surgeon for several years (1963-1965). While in the air force, Paul reached the rank of Captain. Directly after his service in the air force, Paul worked again as a flight surgeon for the United States Air National Guard (1965-1968)."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 12:33PM

5%

And Paul was a Doctor, genius.

CAPTAIN is the STARTING rank for a Physician in the military (Full LT. in the Navy).

So he didn't "reach" anything. He was sworn in as a CAPTAIN, and left as a CAPTAIN.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 12:54PM

Do Your Homework.

It depends on where you do your residency in The U.S. Air Force, RINO -CINO Bloviator, Phoney Dr.Right.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 2:35PM

Proof?

Source?

Citation?

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:17PM

Look It Up Ya Lazy Ass Pseudo-Intellect Elitist Wannabe, Nazi Bastard, Dr.Reich.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 11:55AM

Selective cutting and pasting from Ron Paul's Web site, or from pro-Paul sources, doesn't cut it, clinty.

According to the Center for Responsive Politics (http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/09/barack-obama-ron-paul-military-cash.html) Paul has raised about $32,000, which makes him number two in garnering "active military" donations.

Care to guess who number one is?

Barack Hussein Obama, at $34,000.

This exact same propaganda emerged from the 2008 campaign.

How'd that work out for Paul again?

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 12:03PM

Tell Your Crap To Politifact. Israel Firster PropagandaBoy Grizzilicky.

" On the Democratic side, Obama’s campaign received more than $16,000 in donations from members of the military.

Politifact.com concluded that it is in fact true that military contributions to Paul are more than double that of the contributions to all other Republican presidential candidates, and that those donations also exceed those received by President Obama."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 12:21PM

Why, clinty, I can almost hear your blood vessels popping.

It's not my crap. If you have an issue, take it to the Center for Responsive Politics. Or are your facts better than my facts because you are filled with righteous rage?

Again, this same line came out in 2008.

Remind me again, how'd that work out for Paul?

Oh - and your puerile (look it up, genius) string of invective REALLY lends weight to your credibility as a non-jackass.

Not.

The Whack Job is Here, and his name is Clint.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:24PM

Well Zany Crazed Grizzilicker, It's Got You All Atwitter & PMS'y.

You're Silly.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 12:33PM

5%

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 12:00PM

Ron Paul = 5%

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 12:35PM

Dr. Right, I love your economy of language.

The Whack Job is Here, and his Name is Clint.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:25PM

The Zany Crazed Grizzilicker Likes Dr.Reich.

Steve A| 10.14.11 @ 10:08AM

Grz, Don't sweat it. If Paul is not the nominee, Clint & the other 237 Paul supporters will write him in. No harm done.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:27AM

"Ron Paul Hauled In $8 Million From 100,000 Donors Last Quarter

2012 presidential hopeful Ron Paul announced today that his campaign raised $8 million last quarter, noting that the money came from over 100,000 donors — almost five times as many contributors as Texas Gov. Rick Perry."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 10:29AM

That stat is already two weeks old, and during that same time period, donations to Perry were 3X that of Paul.

If Paul is soooooooooooooo popular, then why does he ONLY HAVE:

5%?

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:38AM

Those Figfures Are from The Candidates Third Quarter Reports, RINO-CINO Bloviator.

Aaaaaaand, Ricky Perry Is The Poster Boy For Crony Capitalism.

"AUSTIN - Nearly half the companies that received Texas Enterprise Fund grants also made donations to Gov. Rick Perry's state campaigns or the Republican Governors Association, according to a report released Thursday by a watchdog group.

The governors association, which Perry twice chaired, has been his top state campaign contributor.

The report - "Perry's Piggybank" - by Texans for Public Justice says 43 companies gave nearly $7 million in political contributions to Perry or the RGA.

To date, 90 companies have been awarded $439 million in state economic development grants from the Perry-championed Texas Enterprise Fund."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 12:00PM

Ron Paul = 5%

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 12:35PM

Yeah...

3rd quarter ended...TWO WEEKS AGO!

And if these stats were released when the 3rd-quarter ended, you can bet they're even older than that!!

LOL!

"Stupid is as stupid does."

- Clint Gump

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 12:59PM

Duuuuhhhhh !

Perry Had To Release His Figures The Same Time As The Other Candidates, Buffoon Bloviator RINO-CINO Dr.Reich.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 1:04PM

The Whack Job is Here, and his Name is Clint

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:39PM

The Meat Whacker GrizzLicker Is In The Building, & His Name Is RINO-CINO Licker.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 2:35PM

...And Perry had 3x as much.

Duuuuuuuuuhhh!!

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 12:55PM

Total amount raised in Q3:

Mitt Romney: $14.2 million
Rick Perry: $17 million
Ron Paul: $8 million

Barack Obama: $42 million

The Whack Job is Here, and His Name is Clint.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 1:04PM

Israel Firster BibiBo PropagandaBoy Grizzilicky Seems To Like Perry's Crony Capitalism.

" The report says many of the projects whose companies donated heavily to Perry or the RGA have defaulted on job promises, amended contracts to lower job goals, inflated job claims or terminated their contracts.

"Where there is a cozy connection between a powerful and-or monied interest, I think people naturally are suspicious of the money being more influential than the merits," said Sheila Krumholz of the Center for Responsive Politics, whose RGA contribution data was tapped for the report. "I think it resonates with voters ... all the way across the spectrum, including the tea party and the occupiers, beyond mainstream Democrats, Republicans and independents."

The tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 1:05PM

The Whack Job is Here, and his Name is Clint

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 1:49PM

Zany Grizzilicky Is The Big Yellow Bus Callin' The Lemon Pie Yellow.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:40PM

Grizlicker The Meat Whacker Is In The Building & His Name Is Israel Firster Flunkie Stooge

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 1:14PM

BTW, Whack Job:

1) Why do you call me an "Israel Firster?" Have I shared my opinions about Israel, or, like all liberals, are you simply hurling epithets?

I guess, by your logic, you want to exterminate all Jews, you Israel-laster.

2) Have I said I support Perry, or are you simply hurling epithets?

So basically, what Clinty does for a living, apparently, is 1) cut and paste tendentious (look it up, genius) content that pumps up Paul; and 2) hurl feces.

You're a good feces hurler, Clinty boy. You're probably the best feces hurler in the monkey house.

If you really wanted to help your lover boy Paul, you'd try something like persuasion. But you're too stupid to resort to anything but name-calling; the only thing Paul is for you is a repository for otherwise inchoate rage. You think Paul would be happy to count a lunatic who can only quake with blind rage as one of his followers?

You might as well be an Occupy Wall Streeter, you Israel-laster, isolationist-loving Paul butt-boy.

Hey, that was fun. How'd I do?

The Whack Job is Here, and his Name is Clint.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 1:43PM

Read Your Own Name Calling Posts, Israel Firster Grizzilicky.
Apparently, You Don't Know The Difference Between Isolationistism & Non-Interventionism.
You Wouldn't Know Real Conservative Foreign Policy If It Jumped Up & Bit Ya, Bloviator Grizzilicky.

Then Read George Washington's Farewell Address & Thomas Jefferson's Firste Inaugural Address & TThe Old RightAnd Get Back To Us.

Box Of Tissues Crybaby ?

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

RCV| 10.14.11 @ 9:30PM

Avoiding entanglements in foreign affairs made a whole lot of sense when we were a vulnerable new nation whose future survival was tenuous at best. It would be sheer folly for the most powerful nation on earth, the only real force for liberty in the world.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:42PM

The Obama Israel Firster LawBoy RCV Jumps In To Help His RINO-CINO Israel Firster Girlfriends.

RCV| 10.14.11 @ 7:49PM

... and Obama raised $70 million in that same quarter.

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 12:37PM

Do they accept crayon in non-Democrat precincts?

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 1:07PM

Do They Accept Your Knesset Votes In Your Precinct BibiBot Israel Firster Propaganda Boy Grizzilicky?

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 1:17PM

The Whack Job is Here, and his Name is Clint.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 1:48PM

Grizzilicky Wrote,
" But you're too stupid to resort to anything but name-calling"

You Just Hoisted Yourself On Your Own Petard, Asshole.

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 2:35PM

Well, since all you do is call anyone who doesn't accept Ron Paul as the second coming of Christ all sorts of names, why shouldn't you be subjected to the same treatment?

Or are we supposed to cower before cretinous rhetorical thuggery and be browbeaten into submission to your will?

How is your bullying different from an SEIU thug's bullying, exactly?

And my petard is doing just fine, thank you very much. How's yours?

The truth is, this isn't even about Paul for you. You just want to vent your rage - which, apparently, is bottomless.

The Whack Job is Here, and his Name is Clint.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 2:42PM

Hey Screwball Grizzilicker, You Started It With Me , Crybaby Asshole.

" Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 9:41AM
Hey, jackass fanboy:

As long as Paul's most vocal supporters are drooling whack jobs like you with bumper sticker brains, he will remain a fringe candidate.

Ever consider that jackasses like you are why nobody takes Paul seriously?"

You're Zany & Silly.

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 4:10PM

I've been reading your unhinged posts beyond this article, jackass.

You're a real piece of work and, frankly, not worth the time.

You call others bloviators and that's all you do yourself; then you whine when others treat you the way you treat them and accuse them of whining.

What on earth would happen if Paul became president? Where would you direct your rage? At random passersby?

Probably at the many exigencies that would preclude his being able to succeed. Because, as Obama's legions of idiot voters found out, getting elected isn't the goal - it's GOVERNING that matters. Presidents are not dictators (or at least they weren't prior to Obama's inauguration); they don't have magic wands. They have to deal with the world as it is, not as devoted fans want it to be. As I've said MANY times, there are a lot of things I like about Ron Paul. But one of the things I don't like is the rabid, cult-like zombies that comprise such a large portion of his followers. There's something disturbing about you people, and I think it's rooted in a desire to settle scores -which is similar to what drives a lot of liberals. It's what drove Lenin, Hitler and Obama.

And nuking Israel isn't going to make the booboo go away. America is (or used to be) a de facto hegemon, and that breeds ill will. It's the same reason people hate the Yankees and the Patriots.

The problem with foreign policy is that the lines aren't clear between what lies within the realm of our own interests and what lies outside that realm; it is not a binary equation. Hence the problems of the last, oh, 10,000 years of civilization.

I guarantee you, if Paul got elected, you would be disappointed because ALL politicians disappoint. It is inevitable. When reality meets idealism, guess which one gives way?

Why don't you take an anger management class or take up a hobby other than collecting Ron Paul press clippings?

At least get outside and break the suction for a few minutes.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:59PM

Hey Meat Whacker, You're Now The Crybaby, Who's So Fixated Unhinged That You Attacked Me & Dr.Ron Paul First & Have Been At It All Day.
See A Therapist,Asshole.

If Dr.Ron Paul's Elected,Then Obama & You RINO-CINO's Won't Be In The White House.

If It Doesn't Matter To You, Then You're Double Nuts Craving The Negative Attention Or Attempting To Pass Yoiurself Off As A Superior Intellect,Who Has To Lecture Down To We, The Great Unwashed.

Stick Your X's & Y's Pseudo-Intellect Crap.

And I Guarantee You That Anything Better Than You Israel Firster RINO-CINO's Or Obama Wouldn't Be Disappointing To Real Conservatives.

Take Two Shock Treatments & Call Dr.Reich In The Morning.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 2:36PM

Clint = Rhodes Scholar

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 2:44PM

Doctor Reich= Pseudo Intellect Elitist Wannabe RINO-CINO.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:27PM

Aaaand, Israel Firster ProgandaClown Steve Likes Grizzilicker

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 4:30PM

The Whack Job is Here, and his Name is Clint.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:01PM

The Meat Whacker GrizLicker Is In The Building & His Name Is RINO CINO Flunkie Stooge.

PAUL| 10.14.11 @ 6:50AM

Draft Bob McDonnell.

John Daniel| 10.14.11 @ 6:51AM

Can't run against Obamacare if it's merely Romneycare writ large. But the Stupid Party has given us McCain, Dole, et al, so there's no reason to suppose they won't give us Romney. We are doomed.

Pecos Pete| 10.14.11 @ 7:19AM

RSM: Good commentary.

Either business as usual with Romney (which is good for the Ruling Class) or take a ride on the Cain Train.

Drudge Ette Obama| 10.14.11 @ 7:23AM

Exactly - those are the choices. I would love to take the Cain Stand. By god, I will.

Teaghan| 10.14.11 @ 8:12AM

I'm on the Cain Train~Honkys for Herman!

Grzmlyk| 10.14.11 @ 11:29AM

Don't you love the bigots like Lawrence O'Donnell - a draft dodger and freeloader himself - excoriating Cain for not being an authentic American black - when O'Donnell's messiah, Barack Obama, has a white mother, grew up in friggin Hawaii and Indonesia, was coddled within the cloistered cocoon of academic pretense during his formative years and, as an adult, has been continually kicked up the ladder of achievement solely because of white guilt???!!!

Bigots like O'Donnell hate Cain because he is his own person; they just HATE it when blacks get all uppity and stop obeying their lilly-white overseers.

Meanwhile, you have pretzel-logic morons like Janine "I'm so riddled with self loathing that I can't even see" Garofalo calling Cain himself a racist (Janine, do us all a favor and just end it all, ok? A needy, transgendered Namibian can make better use of the air you breathe)!

The level of insanity that we have reached in discourse in this country bodes very, very poorly for our future. We need someone of Cain's temperament and common-sense approach if we are to have a prayer of making it to 2016.

I have my doubts about 9-9-9, but I have no doubt Cain would be good for this country (oopsie - that's going to set Clinty off! - I know, Clinty, I know: The Tea Party Rebellion is Here!).

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 12:26PM

Amen, Gryz.

Country Class Women for Herman Cain 2012!

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:10PM

Angelo Codevilla,
"Unlike the ruling class, the country class does not share a single intellectual orthodoxy, set of tastes, or ideal lifestyle. Its different sectors draw their notions of human equality from different sources: Christians and Jews believe it is God's law. Libertarians assert it from Hobbesian and Darwinist bases. "

Margie| 10.15.11 @ 12:19PM

Gobilty-gook.

RJ| 10.15.11 @ 1:49PM

Because you're a dimwit Margie

Margie| 10.15.11 @ 11:21PM

Well, I certainly haven't seen ANYTHING of substance from you, JERK.

RJ| 10.16.11 @ 4:26PM

Margie, New here, just reading stuff for past week and you three are the worst. No substance just name calling.

tsd| 10.14.11 @ 7:36AM

Romney is being pushed by the ruling elite to hold they're control... mitt the nit wit is not the answer to fix our problems, just a continuation of the stupidity that is built into the Washington good old boys club. Time to shake it up!

Shamus| 10.14.11 @ 7:37AM

There's a surprising amount of support for Herman Cain, who appears to be a very smart person who enthuses conservatives. What could derail Cain is the move to hold the New Hampshire primary on December 6th. A poor showing in the first primary could derail Cain's efforts.

martin j smith| 10.14.11 @ 7:38AM

I will start with the view that the CNN or any of the prior debates stunk and this one will stink as well because it is controlled by the MSM and thus the Establishment Republicans. Having said that:

Unless Romney shows that he is not a Socialist but will run as a real Conservative I think he will not be the nominee. That means he must come clean about Romney Care and state outright that he will support repeal of Obamacare. among other things. If he does not do that I think Cain or any of the others have a good chance to take his place.

In spite of the MSM and Republican Establishment's efforts to control and manipulate the situation of the debates, voters are more informed now than ever and will find the candidate that sounds more Anti-Washington and Anti-Crony Capitalism--Not Ron Paul or John Huntsman.

Spartanfan| 10.14.11 @ 2:07PM

He has already said that he would sign a repeal of ObamaCare...

... I don't believe him...

Chuck| 10.14.11 @ 7:50AM

As I stated in earlier posts when the Florida news broke this had the finger prints of Mitt Romney all over it. The question is why in God's name would the GOP nominate such a queer creature? The answer, remember Roe v. Wade, the GOP establishment wants abortion on demand intact certified by the federal courts. Plus a relaxed attitude towards illegal immigration and non-heterosexual rights plagues the party. Republicans of all stripes went nuts over nationalized health care and now they’re poised to turn over the party to the person who authored the state version of Obamacare. The Republican establishment is a blob of satanic goo and their gooey leader is Willard Milton Romney.

Mormon Girl| 10.14.11 @ 8:52AM

This is a bunch of blather and Rubio would be an excellent choice for Mitt's running mate.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 7:59AM

Dr.Ron Paul,
" When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 8:11AM

Ron Paul = 5%

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 8:17AM

Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday.

Romney, 23%. Cain, 19%. Paul, 13%.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 9:47AM

Ron Paul = 5%

http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....al_primary

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 2:36PM

Clint = genius

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:11PM

Dr.Reich= Pseudo Intellect Elitist Wannabe & Joisey Anti-Catholic White Trash Bigot.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 9:47AM

No, that's incorrect.

Ron Paul = 5%

http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....al_primary

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:08AM

Dr.Reich's ,The Joisey RINO-CINO, Who Said He'd Vote For Romney.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 10:30AM

5%

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:12PM

Dr.Reich Anti-Catholic Joisey Bigot, No Sense.

Steve A| 10.14.11 @ 10:09AM

Dr. Ron Paul,
"When one gets in bed with itchy arse, one must expect wake up with smelly finger."

W.T. Foxtrot| 10.14.11 @ 2:37PM

I wonder whose finger smells like Clint??

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:29PM

You Talk Like The Faggot You Must Be, Foxtrot.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:14PM

Another Israel Firster Queen, With Sugar In His Pockets.

Gary B| 10.14.11 @ 8:02AM

Well, now we know. The fix is in. The RNC is either blackmailing or bribing. That's what they do.

But, remember, the establishment didn't want Reagan either. They feared him just like they now fear Cain.

The Tea Party can lead the charge and we can win this thing.

Mimi| 10.14.11 @ 8:03AM

Robert Stacy....You just caused a "QUAKE" with your exclisive ! Well, well the slickster PUB'S are still with us, You'd think they learned something from 2010. Don't you boy's get it....It's the PEOPLE who choose, It's who we want not what you can MANIPULATE!
Rubio...fire this CONDA guy...send him back to Romney...today...He's gonna set you back for dirtying up your image!
Go ahead... screw -up the "DATES".....our votes will pick the winners!

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 12:28PM

"Don't you boy's get it....It's the PEOPLE who choose, It's who we want not what you can MANIPULATE!"

You said it, Mimi.
PRAYER has great power in its effects.
Enough of us must vote for Herman Cain.. so far, he is the one we are looking for.

Margie| 10.15.11 @ 11:20PM

Sorry Mim, I guess you don't agree. It was just my opinion, and I thought you too were for Herman Cain.. or else you are in with the crowd here who loves to shun me.
Oh well!!
The Truth is my friend, anyhow.
I agree with you about good old Newt, as I've posted before. I've said I WISH he could be Prez.
But do you really think he even has any more or less of a chance than Herman Cain does with the Establishment?
Nah.

Mimi| 10.17.11 @ 9:51AM

I bend this way and that Margie. I haven't quite made up my mind....When I know WHO, I'll let all know!!!

Solo| 10.14.11 @ 8:06AM

I watched the Fox News interview with Karl Rove last night and he made some VERY valid points.

Herman Cain is spending all his time (and what little money he has) campaigning in Kentucky, etc when he needs to be putting his time into the early Caucus and Primary states.

Also, bear in mind, that in order to win these primaries, you need a solid "ground game" (as they call it) with a well oiled organization of volunteers, offices, phone banks, E-Mail blitzes, door to door marketers getting out your message...and so on...
Cain has almost NONE of this. He's like a one-man band with little money behind him....and that ain't good.

It could be that his sudden rise in the polls surprised even him and has caught him flat-footed.
If he doesn't get his game together, and REALLY FAST, his candidacy will be over by Valentine's Day.

Simon Templar| 10.14.11 @ 1:49PM

Then start sending Cain some funds. Or maybe we could for once in the history of this nation elect someone who does not have the biggest pile of money to buy the office.

I understand what you are saying and am not trying to dismiss your point.

Rove and the esatblishment attempt to set the rules of the game and the expectations. No one either he or anyone else could have predicted what happen in 2010 years before, it did not fit the expected game or racket they have constructed.

The same could happen, if we wanted it to in this election. We really have to stop listening to the likes of Rove, O'Reilly and all the other establishmnent RINO's and opportunist.
There is a whole group from Peggy Noonan to O'Reilly to Rove to George Will. You know who they are. They will pander to the Tea Party and conservatives and flyover country went it suits them.

When those 'folks' stray to far from what they consider possible and within their definition of moderation and their worldview, they throw you overboard in a blink of an eye.

When it comes down to it they do not believe in self government and they perceive that the vast public are abunch of rubes incapable of seeing what is up from down and need to be ruled and guided by an elite..preferably themselves.

Lets us be truly honest and willing to really look here at the full political landscape and the forces at play.

Take a good look at most of the AS writers and pundits here, for example. each day, a new article about how the GOP field sucks, Cain can not do it, we are helpless, Romney is the only hope, money is what counts, and on and on, They buy into the limited, cynical, and stale thinking that has infected the conservative movement and the GOP for most of a century.

Hell, it does not even matter that some general public polls have actually show cain able to beat the poser. No, like dogs to vomit, they are right back to slopping up the conventional thinking and propaganda.

Solo| 10.14.11 @ 4:40PM

Wow! Well...don't sugar coat it, Simon. Tell us what you really think! LOL!

I agree! I'm not suggesting that Cain 'shouldn't win" or that he "couldn't win". But, unfortunately, face time with the public (and that includes "The Great Un-washed" who also vote) costs money in this day and age.
And...when you have little (by comparison) that is a HUGE disadvantage.
It's not fair....but it is most often true.

THAT is what Rove was expressing. He's a nuts & bolts political guru and he knows of what he speaks--like him or not.

I'm a Perry fan for now but I do like Herman Cain, as well. I hope he does well. But...it takes a strong ground organization to do that and that takes money. He has neither right now and damned little time to accumulate either prior to the 1st round of Primaries and Cauci.
Meanwhile....as Rove pointed out, he's campaigning in..... Kentucky.

Simon Templar| 10.14.11 @ 6:30PM

Solo, when did I ever sugar coat anything! :)

What you are saying has merit and is the current conventional thinking. I am not saying Rove is an idiot.

What I am trying to say is that it is very possible to not make this about who has the most money and boots on the ground to pay them. Hell, if that is the case we should quit now, Obama has billions to spend and raised 4o million in one month.

If I came up to you five years ago and said, you know, I think it is possible for average citizens around the country to organize themselves and circumvent the GOP establishment, run their own candidates and take almost every local, state, and congressional seat open in this next election cycle without essentially RNC direction or money or approval, you would have laughed and told me to take a pill.

The fact that we just roll over and accept this as the way it works is the problem. It does not have to be so.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 6:45PM

Screw the writers and editors of TAS who try and knock him out of the race, and screw the Republican Elites.

Conservatives know what we want.
El Rushbo (as always) gets it: Herman Cain is consistently conservative:

http://www.therightscoop.com/r.....servative/

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 8:08AM

Despite the money, despite the cheerleading from the media and the GOP elites, Romney's campaign is in trouble, and they know it.

Romney CANNOT rise above the mid-20% range in the polls. Cain leads in SC and FL, and Gingrich is rising slowly but surely. Soon, Bachman, Santorum, and probably Perry will be forced to drop-out. When they do, their supporters will likely shift allegiance to Cain as opposed to Romney.

The Pro-Romney crowd is well aware I'd this, which is why they're pushing hard to move-up all of the primaries. They want to lock this up by Christmas, and be done with it, thus negating millions of GOP primary voters across the south and southwest who will NOT support Romney.

Cain, Gingrich, Perry, and the rest should announce that they plan on campaigning throughout the primaries regardless of NH and Iowa, and if necessary, they will take the fight straight to the GOP convention floor next Summer.

If Romney wins fair and square, that's one thing. But this frontloading shenanigans that the GOP establishment is engaged in must not be allowed to stand.

Mike D.| 10.14.11 @ 8:13AM

Agree totally, good take!

Al Adab| 10.14.11 @ 11:14AM

Dr:
Conservatives are repeating the same error we made in 1968 when we chose to back Nixon, as electable, over Reagan. We repeated the error in 1976. Even though the convention wanted Reagan it went with Ford as the Conservatives were too timid to push through.

In 1960 Goldwater told the convention, "Lets grow up Conservatives. If we want to take this party back...lets get to work."

Simon Templar| 10.14.11 @ 1:51PM

Al, you are a voice of reason in the wilderness.

W.T. Foxtrot| 10.14.11 @ 2:38PM

Goldwater '64 was a slaughter for the GOP, so that might not be the best example.

Al Adab| 10.14.11 @ 3:48PM

Yes, '64 was a disaster, but from those roots- and remember the country wasn't going to elect any republican following november '63- grew the success that was the Conservative era. You do remember the USSR don't you, just to name one small accomplishment. Without Goldwaters' willingness to sacrifice his career for the sake of the Movement, the deluge would have come much sooner. He was the most significant losing candidate of the 20th century. It was the GOP which failed the Movement following 1980 and 1994 not the other way around.

Al Adab| 10.14.11 @ 5:17PM

BTW:
To give credit where it is due, we must mention Bush 41 and his masterful handling of the collapse of the USSR. History owes him a great debt that the tanks did not roll nor the missles fly during the coup.

W| 10.14.11 @ 6:53PM

Al Adab
None of the current candidates is a serious dedicated conservative like Goldwater that wants to oppose the growth of the federal government. Goldwater voted against most of LBJ's legislation.

The only one who comes close is Ron Paul but he has been marginalized because his foreign policy views on terrorrism and Israel. Goldwater was marginalized because his foreign policy was seen as agressive while Pual's is seen as passive. But who else realy talks about reducing the size of government? Maybe Santorum shares some of Goldwater's views.

Clinton| 10.16.11 @ 7:33AM

Cain is Romney's guy that's why he's followed his "good friend" Mitt's lead on social conservative issues (pro-life, pro-marriage and gun control) and thought a pizza marketing made sense as the recipe for his massive tax increase 9.99.

Mike D.| 10.14.11 @ 8:12AM

Heres one for Rove, F off! I'm sick of Rove being played as some kind of guru king maker we need to listen to. He's a statist RINO election mechanic for the establishment class. Hannity kisses this guy's @ss whenever he has him on so adios.

CalMark| 10.14.11 @ 11:21AM

"Election mechanic"--great term! You should copyright it.

Rove is contemptible.

bottes ugg ultra short | 10.14.11 @ 8:13AM

yes!

PAUL| 10.14.11 @ 8:21AM

We are screwed; none of these guys have it. We needed a conservative governor like Bob McDonnell or Scott Walker to step up. I will support Cain for lack of a better candidate. I am very disappointed in Rubio. The only way I vote for Romney is to get rid of the Muslim, Socialist, anti-Semetic, America - hater.

Gary B| 10.14.11 @ 8:23AM

I heard a guy call in yesterday to a San Antonio station with a great comment. He said, "The only Republican Obama can beat is Romney."

How's that for some stark reality? Know this; The establishment loves Obama. He has been their most useful of useful idiots. Why? Because he's the mother of all idiots and, as a world class narcissist, can be manipulated like a true puppet.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 8:33AM

The GOP Ruling Elite & Their Frontman Mittens Romney Are Cynically Counting On The Usual Republican Voters "The Lesser Evil" Vote.

Conservatives Who Are Saying They Will Hold Their Nose & Vote For Romney Are Playing Right Into The Ruling Elites' Agenda.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 9:48AM

Ron Paul = 5%

http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....al_primary

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:09AM

You're The RINO-CINO Guy,Who Said He'd Vote For Romney.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 10:35AM

Because you're as dense as a 2 x 4, and because I believe in helping the mentally disabled, I'll explain it to you again:

I will vote for Romney AGAINST Obama.

Period.

But...

I will vote for Cain AGAINST Obama.

I will vote for Perry AGAINST Obama.

I will vote for Gingrich AGAINST Obama.

I will vote for Huntsman AGAINST Obama.

I will vote for Bachman AGAINST Obama.

I will vote for Santorum AGAINST Obama.

I will vote for Paul AGAINST Obama.

Do I prefer Romney?

No.

But I'm not a knee-jerk ideologue.

The #1 priority in 2012 is DEFEATING OBAMA.

ALL I want is a fair and open primary that's not being manipulated by the RNC to hand victory to Romney this early in the campaign.

I can accept the will of the GOP electorate.

Can you?

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:40AM

Like I Said, "You're The RINO-CINO Guy,Who Said He'd Vote For Romney."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Paul Bot| 10.14.11 @ 11:24AM

This is typical Ron Paul. They are party busters who give no loyalty. They should get none.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:32AM

Hey BibiBot !

The GOP Nor Your Bibi Doesn't Own Us Tea Party Patriots.

We Aren't Mind Numbed Flunkie Stooges For Your Democrat Lite Wag The Dog GOP Ruling Elite.

I'll Match My Conservative Voting Record Against Your's Any Day, Bibibot.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Paul Bot| 10.14.11 @ 12:01PM

Clint is a party busting stooge. He is either stupid or a Democratic troll. I am betting on stupid. Either way he is ineffective.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 12:17PM

Gee Israel Firster PropagandaBoy BibiBot, I'm A Registered Republican & Active Tea Party Member,Who Voted For Both Bush '41 & '43. & Pat Toomey When He Ran Against Specter in 2004 & Again in 2010.

I Wrote In A Protest Vote Against The Serial Traitor To Conservatism, John McCain.

Now, Tell Us All About McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, Gang Of 14, Opposing Bush Tax Cuts Of 2001 & 2003, TARP, Hobbitts.

You're Up Israel Firster BibiBot PropagandsBoy.

Paul Bot| 10.14.11 @ 12:30PM

"I Wrote In A Protest Vote Against The Serial Traitor To Conservatism, John McCain."

How ironic. One party busting disloyal stooge stabbing another party busting disloyal stooge in the back. Very entertaining. At 5% and falling I won't have to hold my nose and vote for Paul but I was willing.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:34PM

We Tea Party Patriots Aren't Owned By Any Party , Israel Firster Propaganda Flunkie Stiioge BibiBot.

We Notice that You Israel Firsters Hide Behind Poseur Punk Poster Monikers.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Paul Bot| 10.14.11 @ 3:45PM

Poseur Punk Poster Monikers like Clint or Tim*? You are a joke. Your immediate jump to Israel when somebody disagrees with you sort of makes the case that you are an antisemitic moron. I like Rand better than his Dad, please don't "help" him.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:20PM

And You're A Typical Neo-Chickenhawk Israel Firster Coward, Hiding Behind Your Poseur Punk Poster Moniker.

You're Not A Joke. You're A Traitor Bastard To America First.
Dr.Rand Paul Doesn't Like Sniviling Cowards Like You Israel Firster Fanatics, Who Attempt To Smear Up & Marginalize His Veteran Former Military Officer Father.

Paul Bot| 10.15.11 @ 11:35AM

Clint needs to keep working, Ron will be at 1% within a month. Some people have kooky Dads like Rand and some have kooky sons like Clint's poor father. The Israel stuff is priceless. It is where log cabin boy Clint always goes first. In a strange way he is the Israel firster. By the way, using the fact that someone was in the military as a shield against criticism is what lefties do. It is a lame argument. It didn't work for John Kerry, George McGovern, or Max Cleveland and it won't work for gynodoc Ron Paul. 5%

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 12:36PM

5%

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:21PM

Dr.Reich, American Spectator's Resident Anti-Cathoilic Bigot Fanatic.

Dai Alanye | 10.14.11 @ 11:59PM

CLINT tells us: "I Wrote In A Protest Vote Against The Serial Traitor To Conservatism, John McCain."

But that was effectively a vote against Sarah Palin, as well, simply to protest against McCain. Not good, not good at all. Disloyal and foolish both to turn over the nation to Obama while harming the political career of a good conservative.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 10:39AM

Like many Registered Republicans ,We Are Not Gonna be "Flunkie Stooges For The GOP Ruling Elites "Lesser Evil " Candidates, Like The Serial Traitor To Conservatism John McCain.

Now, You Tell Us All About McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, Gang Of 14, Opposing Bush Tax Cuts Of 2001 & 2003, TARP, Hobbitts.


The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 12:03PM

OK...produce your "Conservative voting record", then !!!

LET'S SEE IT!!!

...crickets...

Ron Paul = 5%

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 12:19PM

Asked & Answered RINO-CINO Dr.Reich.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 12:37PM

That's NOT an answer.

You have NO proof of anything.

You've been called-out, and you failed to respond.

You are weak.

You are funny.

We LAUGH at you.

Ron Paul = 5%

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 1:11PM

You've Proven That You're The RINO-CINO Joisey Cupcake,Who Will Vote For Romney, Dr.Reich.

You're Scared Of The Tea Party & Our Co-Favorite Presidential Candidate Dr.Ron Paul.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 12:33PM

Dr. Right,

Clinty-poo has stated that he wrote in his brother-in-law last election rather than vote for McCain/Palin.

All the while of course excoriating others for doing so and accusing us of being RINO'S!

When, what is the definition of RINO? Someone who CLAIMS they're Republican, but doesn't vote Republican.

He's so blinded by his own hypocrisy, he can't see straight, or speak straight.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 12:37PM

Clint wasn't old enough to vote in 2008...

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 1:14PM

RINO-CINO Margie,Late Of Joisey & RINO-CINO Dr.Reich Still Of Joisey Join Together & Will Vote For Romney.

These Are American Spectator's Resident Anti-Catholic Fanatics, As Well.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 2:01PM

You're The Hypocrit Apocalyptic Crank Lady Margie.

You Were Mancrushin' On McCain Before Ya Ever Heard The Name Sarah Palin.

It's All About Your Israel Firster Agenda Apocalyptic Crank Lady Margie.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 2:43PM

You just aren't capable of speaking one time without lying.
Not only are you demented, but you're delusional as well.
Imbecile.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:37PM

You're A Serial Sociopathic Slandering Liar, Apocalyptic Crank Lady Margie & An Anti-Catholic Screwball Along With Joisey Dr.Reich.

Aaaand, You're An Israel Firster Apocalyptic Crank Lady & A RINO-CINO,Who Will Vote For Romney.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 6:40PM

Blah... Blah... Blah.

El Rushbo on Herman Cain: He's consistently conservative!

http://www.therightscoop.com/r.....servative/

Clinton| 10.16.11 @ 7:37AM

Except he joins his old pal Mitt in refusing to sign the pro-life and pro-marriage pledges, he supported gun control when interviewed by Wolf Blitzer on CNN and he's the only one who really never goes after Mitt Romney. He's Romney's ringer in this race to undercut any conservative opposition.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 12:02PM

Ron Paul = 5%

W.T. Foxtrot| 10.14.11 @ 2:39PM

Dr. Right = Freaking hilarious.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:23PM

Foxtrot, The Israel Firster Queen Is In The Building.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:29PM

American Spectator's Resident Anti-Catholic Plus Joisey White Trash Bigot Pair Are In The Building.

You Trash Neo-Con Ricky Perry & RINO Mittens Romney's Religions, Yet Your Nasty Ass Fanatic Fundamentalist Israel Apocalyptic Agenda Trashes Dr.Ron Paul, While You Use These Catholics, Mormons & Israel's Jews & Muslims To Carry Out Your Apocalyptic Agenda.

RJ| 10.15.11 @ 1:11PM

Dr. / Clint/ Margie
Will the three of you leave us alone? The scroll key is wearing out every time I see you three writing the same old every day. Get a new act and a life.

Margie| 10.15.11 @ 11:17PM

Oh please. Why don't you take a stand yourself one way or the other?
Do you give a damn about the future of our country?
Do you care a whit about these punks trying to infest the Republican party with lunacy?
Guess not.
Like the typical Liberals always do, just throw stones at anybody who cares enough to fight against blatant evil!

Kelly Staples| 10.14.11 @ 8:46AM

Rove doesn't seem to care for Herman. What more proof do we need? Cain 2012.

Proud Mormon| 10.14.11 @ 8:46AM

I'm getting sick and tired of this anti-Romney propaganda on this blog fueled by Tea party right-wing fanaticism. Mitt is a fine decent church going family man, experienced executive in both business and politics. His resume is full of accomplishments. He's the best Republican candidate out there bar none.

JP| 10.14.11 @ 9:09AM

And that should give the GOP cause for worry. Mitt has a whole slew of advisors (many still on his payroll) who continue to advise the President on implementing ObamaCare. If Huntsman and Romney are represenative of the Mormon religion, then Utah has more problems than it thinks. Romney is a Progressive Democrat posing as a Republican. If the conservatives bolt the GOP, the GOP is finished as a party. A Mitt Romney nomination will go a long way to making that a reality.

Steve A| 10.14.11 @ 9:34AM

Proud, I even heard someone found a gold tablet buried on a mountain with Romneys name on it. It was ancient text & when they translated it from behind a curtain, it spelled out the terms of Romneycare.

Mimi| 10.14.11 @ 10:19AM

Would a decent best candidate get minions to manipulate the dates of PRIMARIES ? And deny all those voters across the country to not have their say? We suffered a RINO in 2008.... It's time for a Conservative Republican....Their numbers are thereand that's why Romney can never get past 29%..... It's time for the moderates to back off for a change.... we see no conservative bones in any part of Mitt....The COUNTRY is CRYING for a return to TRADITION and Conservative policies to unwind the STARK, DRAB, lean to the LEFT! We are now on the verge of financial collaspe...we need a strong LEADER.....only the PEOPLE can choose that for the country!!!

Steve A| 10.14.11 @ 10:26AM

Romney makes McCain look like Reagan.

Maxwell| 10.14.11 @ 10:31AM

Proud, with all due respect sir, Mitt and his side kick Chris Christie are not my idea of who I would like as President and Vice President and I will tell you why too. First, I love my guns, that includes my AR15. My law firm of Wilson, Brown, Bear, & Springfield are all in favor of gun rights. Both Mitt and Chris are very anti gun.

Second, I am no fan of Mitt or Obama care. If the pro abortion people want me out of their reproductive rights, then stay out of my gun safe and my doctors office.

Third, how is that MMGW working out for you? Yup, Chris Christie is for MMGW and safe cities. I know all to well how that works out in Princeton.

You know the old expression, look at who your friends are.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 10:40AM

Well, we're getting sick and tired of the GOP foisting one weak candidate after another on us every four years.

You think Romney is the best candidate? Swell. That's your opinion. It's not mine.

Is Mitt a fine man and a decent human being? I don't know him personally, but from all I do know about him, that's an accurate statement.

The problem is that he's not campaigning to be "Most Popular Guy in Class"; he wants to be POTUS.

And based on his record as Governor, there are some issues that give pause to us "right-wing fanatics".

Finally, as a "Proud Mormon", you should be used to criticism of the LDS.

I don't think Mormonism is a valid faith.

But un my opinion, that doesn't disqualify Romney from the office of POTUS.

Others, unfortunately, disagree. And they have that right.

Al Adab| 10.14.11 @ 11:19AM

Electing an accomodationist republican will not serve to unwind the disaster that this administration has fomented. It will only serve to slow the inevitable slide into tyranny and statism. Frankly, what is the point of that? Why should the GOP nominate someone to the left of McCain and expect to accomplish a roll back of the policies and economics we are suffering through today? Why cement the current policies by electing a republican who will seek compromise rather than the restoration of Liberty?

W| 10.14.11 @ 12:25PM

Al,
I am not persuaded by the lables such as conservative, moderate, or tea party attached to the candidates because when faced with decisions on specific concrete issues the labels do not predict the decision. GWB is the perfect example, he ran as a conservative but he increased government, such as the Education dept with the No child left Behing Act, McCain Feingold, the wars, Medicare Drug Benefit, and Homeland Security.
In these debates all the candidates say they will repeal obamacare, but they need congress for that and most of the other decisions, such as reduce taxses and cut spending. We need to elect senators and representatives who will cut taxes and reduce spending.

Al Adab| 10.14.11 @ 3:38PM

W:
Yes indeed. Unless the Congress is solidly in control of Conservatives (I don't use the other labels) instead of simply Republicans there is little chance to unwind this mess. It is why I am concerned over the emphasis on who the President may be. Local elections (and every state is being redistricted) are where the rubber meets the road. The DEMS will pull out all stops to create "competitive" (read safe for them) districts in the new maps.

The problem is getting any of the candidates on the record regarding Obamacare, regulatory nightmares (like CFLs) bailouts, what to do with GM, the banks, Fannie etc. There is so great a totalitarian agenda it will take a generation to undo it and I doubt we have the time.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 12:37PM

"I don't think Mormonism is a valid faith.

But un my opinion, that doesn't disqualify Romney from the office of POTUS."

I agree. Because of the Constitution, Romney cannot make any laws forcing anyone to become Mormons, thankfully!

I have no fear of Mormonism, nor any other cult for that matter. The President is sworn to uphold the Constitution, and this is not a Theocracy.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 2:29PM

So What Are Ya Gonna Do About it ?

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Al Adab| 10.14.11 @ 3:43PM

Proud One:
You are correct on one point. Romney is the best Republican candidate. That is also his problem. Conservatives are tired of backing republicans who sell us down the river time and again. This is an historic opportunity to elect a Conservative, not an east coast, accomodationist, establishment Republican. Remember the Rockefeller/Romney (George) wing of the GOP opposed the Conservative Movement from its beginning, yet that movemet brought the GOP its only successes in the last 50 years.

Casey Abell| 10.14.11 @ 8:48AM

"For the past three weeks, events have seemed to be accelerating toward some kind of apocalyptic climax, the outcome obscured by ominous clouds of uncertainty."

I think Robert's writing style is accelerating toward some kind of apocalytic silliness, the outcome obscured by ominous clouds of unintentional hilarity.

Jeez, Robert, get a grip. It's a political campaign. If a candidate you don't like gets the nomination, the world will survive.

Last I checked, Robert was screaming that Florida's primary on January 31 meant the sky was falling. Or his knickers were twisting. Or something really really really evil and awful was unfolding and we were all doomed to the ultimate unfathomable horror of...a Florida primary on January 31.

Maybe he just needs a few days off.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 8:50AM

Sooooo, What Are Ya Gonna Do About It ?

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 9:48AM

Ron Paul = 5%

http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....al_primary

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:10AM

You're The RINO-CINO ,Who Said He'd Vote For Romney.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 10:41AM

5%

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 12:06PM

Tell us your name, and where you live, and maybe you'll see.

Otherwise, your threats and taunts are nothing but hot air...

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 12:25PM

We Have A Valley Forge Patriots Meeting Tonight, RINO-CINO Dr.Reich.
Show Up & Show Us To Our Face How Tough You Are, Cupcake.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

W.T. Foxtrot| 10.14.11 @ 2:40PM

I think he meant your address. Like your house. Maybe if you ask your mommy, she'll let you have friends over to play. Just don't get into the matches again.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:41PM

And I Think You're Scared Of The Tea Party & Our Co-Favorite Presidential Candidate, FoxShit.

JP| 10.14.11 @ 9:02AM

The entire primary process is broken. Perhaps it would be better for the party to return to an open convention. The RNC during the 1970s adopted the DNC's primary process, which doesn't make much sense. A candidate needs beaucoup bucks, and must spend 2-3 years in Iowa and New Hampshire just be considered "relevant". This is just insane. Mitt Romney, if nominated, will garner at best 35% of GOP primary votes. And the RNC is bound and determined to get him the nomination as early as possible; they know the longer the process takes the more likely he stands the chance of losing support and momentuem.

If the RNC persists they just may cause an irrevocable break between conservatives and the GOP. The GOP is leaving conservatives, and not the other way around. The Grand Ol Party is quickly going the way of the British Tories.

Casey Abell| 10.14.11 @ 9:07AM

Oh yeah, giving party insiders a lot more power is just the ticket. We don't want some idiot voters deciding on the nominee.

Who do you think the party insiders would pick? Hint: the guy who is doing best in the polls against Obama. And who do you think that guy is? Hint:

http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....dates.html

JP| 10.14.11 @ 9:13AM

You don't seem to understand how the old convention system works. The Insiders have no hold on party delegates. The delegates can change thier mind at any time. In reality, someone like a Bachman, or Cain can run an insurgency right up until the floor vote. This occured several times between 1948-1960 - the most famous being JFKs insurgency in 1956. Goldwater "stole" the convention against Rockefeller and Mitt's father in 1964 (the later 2 being solid Establishment Republicans). Go back and read your history.

Casey Abell| 10.14.11 @ 9:21AM

Right, the party insiders would have no hold on the delegates, and pigs would fly, and the GOP would pick a big winner like they did in 1964.

Please. The insiders would make sure the candidate doing the best in the polls against Obama got the nom. You just don't like the guy who's doing the best in the polls against Obama.

Well, I'm not crazy about him, either. I'm the last Perry supporter, so I'm not feeling too swell right now. But that doesn't mean I want to hand the entire nomination process to Karl Rove and friends.

JP| 10.14.11 @ 9:20AM

"Who do you think the party insiders would pick? Hint: the guy who is doing best in the polls against Obama. And who do you think that guy is?"

You don't seem to know what you're talking about. Party Insiders are forcing Mitt on the primaries. If current trends continue, Perry, Bachman, and Sanatorum will be out of the race before Thanksgiving. This is insane. Spot polling driven by "debates" (which are moderated by Democrats and the MSM) have elevated one to 2 candidates months before the first primary. And it is polling that drives fundraising. Essientially, Mitt will have the nomination sealed up by the end of January. This is not only insane, but it is a death wish for the GOP.

Casey Abell| 10.14.11 @ 9:24AM

"You don't seem to know what you're talking about."

Yeah, I can't read the RCP averages. Because, you know, they're so hard to understand. Numbers and everything.

"Spot polling driven by "debates" (which are moderated by Democrats and the MSM) have elevated one to 2 candidates months before the first primary. "

Yeah, because people can't watch the debates and make up their own minds. People are stupid. So let's have the party insiders make their minds for them.

The Big E| 10.14.11 @ 9:16AM

Frankly, I'm sick of primaries scattered all over the calendar. I'm sick of New Hampshire and South Carolina and Nevada (and the Iowa caucus) being treated as if they're the only states, the only citizens, the only votes, which count. And I'm sick of my vote being meaningless because I don't live in one of those states. I live in NC. Our primary is May 8. I will likely get the choice of voting for someone who already has locked up the nomination, or someone who doesn't have enough sense to realize their opponent has already locked up the nomination. One thing you can count on though, my primary, along with the primary vote of every other Republican here, will be meaningless.

I will say this though, if Mitt Romney is nominated, I will go to the polls in November and vote against Barack Obama. If Herman Cain is nominated, I will go to the polls in November and vote for Herman Cain.

I haven't had the chance to vote FOR somebody since the very first Presidential ballot I ever cast - in 1984 for Ronald Reagan.

Since then, it's been a choice between the lesser of two evils.

Arthro| 10.14.11 @ 9:19AM

Herman Cain is a great man, but he's not the best candidate for the job. Romney is.

Strong conservatives pushing for Cain will result in Obama getting re-elected, and Perry would guarantee a loss to Obama.

So, from my view...the most important isue is getting rid of Obama. Romney is the guy who can do that - debate skills, readiness, fund raising, executive leadership. Come on, folks. Get behind Romney and let's take this country back from the socialists entitlement protectors.

And, by the way, I don't give a crap if he's Mormon and I don't give a crap about Romneycare. It's time to get this country back on track. Mitt Romney is the man.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 9:59AM

Debate skills???

Ok...he's a polished debater...so what???

Have you actually listened to what he says when he delivers one of those polished answers???

He says he's going to issue a "waiver" to all 50 states to nullify ObamaCare.

PROBLEM: This "waiver" nonsense is unconstitutional. And if the SCOTUS upholds the individual mandate, we're screwed.

He claims that "RomneyCare" is not the same as "ObamaCare".

PROBLEM: Romney's advisers advised Obama on ObamaCare! They said that "RomneyCare" was the template for "ObamaCare". If Romney is the nominee, the #1 single biggest election-year issue - ObamaCare - is OFF THE TABLE!!! Then what?!?!

Sorry that you don't "give a crap" about RomneyCare...that simply means you don't even understand why it's a problem.

Romney supported TARP.

PROBLEM: Much of the TARP money was improperly used to nationalize banks and the auto industry. Does Romney think that's OK??

Romney is a Mormon.

PROBLEM: Rightly or wrongly, that will alienate MANY voters in the south. You may think it's nonsense, but that does NOT negate it as a valid issue.

Please explain exactly WHY "Strong conservatives pushing for Cain will result in Obama getting re-elected, and Perry would guarantee a loss to Obama.".

The RINOS like to repeat this over and over, but they cannot justify it with one shred of evidence.

Defeating Obama is the priority.

Defeating the RINO GOP-establishment comes next.

You RINOs need to understand one thing:

The anger in this country is palpable, and it FAR exceeds anything that existed in 1980. We got Reagan into the White House in '80 despite the interference of the GOP-establishment, and we will overcome those bastards in 2012, too. But this time, if they try to screw us and force Romney onto the nomination without a fair primary fight, there WILL be a reckoning.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 10:12AM

Gee Dr.Reich, Joisey RINO-CINO, You're The Guy,Who Said He'd Vote For Romney.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 10:41AM

5%

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 12:07PM

You're so dumb, it's tragic-comic...

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 1:58PM

You're So Scared Of The Tea Party & Our Co-Favorite Presidential Candidate Dr.Ron Paul, It's Zany.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Boo !

Spartanfan| 10.14.11 @ 2:24PM

Clint...

Please go away... Dr. Right gave a solid, impassioned post and you came back with the same nonsense you have posted 2,683 times since 10 am...

I can't read any more of it... If American Spectator does not ban you, I will not be back...

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 2:35PM

Good.

Now, Get Bent.

Thank You

P.S. Wolverines Gonna Eat The Spartons.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Doctor Right| 10.14.11 @ 2:42PM

I actually want Clint to stick around.

Nothing says "stupid" like one of Clint's posts. He exemplifies why Ron Paul = 5%.

Ron Paul appeals to knuckleheads.

Oh, I almost forgot...

Ron Paul = 5%

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 3:43PM

Actually, You're A Joisey RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooge Dr.Reich & An Anti-Catholic Screwball Fanatic.

JR| 10.14.11 @ 10:45PM

Hey Clint why are you so against Isreal. I'm serious about that. What is it that has you so against them?

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:39PM

I'm An American,Who Agrees With our Tea party Presidential Candidate Dr.Ron Paul.

Dr.Ron Paul,
“Our military’s purpose is to defend our country, not to police the
Middle East.

“As the President prepares to send even more support to Egypt, we should
be reminded that it was our foreign aid that helped Mubarak retain power
to repress his people in the first place. Now we have to deal with the
consequences of those decisions, yet we keep repeating the same mistakes.

“I am not the only one who can see the absurdities of our foreign
policy. We give $3 billion to Israel and $12 billion to her enemies.
Most Americans know that makes no sense.

“We need to come to our senses, trade with our friends in the Middle
East (both Arab and Israeli), clean up our own economic mess so we set a
good example, and allow them to work out their own conflicts.”

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

JR| 10.14.11 @ 10:45PM

Hey Clint why are you so against Isreal. I'm serious about that. What is it that has you so against them?

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:40PM

Asked & Answered

JR| 10.14.11 @ 10:46PM

Hey Clint why are you so against Isreal. I'm serious about that. What is it that has you so against them?

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:40PM

Asked & Answered

JR| 10.14.11 @ 10:46PM

Hey Clint why are you so against Isreal. I'm serious about that. What is it that has you so against them?

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:41PM

Asked & Answered.

JR| 10.14.11 @ 10:46PM

Hey Clint why are you so against Isreal. I'm serious about that. What is it that has you so against them?

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:41PM

Asked & Answered

Al Adab| 10.15.11 @ 12:42PM

The Court: Overruled.

Margie| 10.15.11 @ 11:14PM

LOL!

RJ| 10.15.11 @ 1:08PM

For a "Doctor" you have way too much time to spend every day with Clint saying the same old same old. You two guys need a new act and a life.

emilio lizardo, PhD| 10.14.11 @ 11:38AM

WORD

TURK| 10.14.11 @ 10:01AM

MEDIA--ACADEMIA--DEMOLEFTISTS--RINOS

The deck is stacked against conservatives. The WORST we have to fight are the rinos. They do it or try to do it every time. They would rather have a destructive leftist democrat in the Whitehouse than a Reagan or Goldwater. Their power base in the party is precious to them. Decades have proven they are happy with playing second fiddle to the democrats; but abhor having the party run by conservatives--or as daddy busch once said "that vision thing". It's "Kinder gentler" as opposed to a Reagan or "Compassionate conservatism" setting the stage for a monster like O!

Guys like rove torpedo conservatives in favor of rino moderate/liberals.

In '08 the rinos came up with Huckabee to siphon conservative votes so we would end up with a loser like mccain. The democrats wanted it that way! The media wanted it that way! The power loving rino's wanted it that way!

THIS TIME IT"S romney! With his health care and his aiding & abetting obama care! With his global warming and the resultant strangulation of our energy sources! Etc. Etc.

This time no acceptance of ultimate nose holding voting in NOV 2012. We fight on for either Cain-Perry-Santorum or even Newt. But we DO NOT accept the rino choice.

Mimi| 10.14.11 @ 10:34AM

We have a dilema....WE CANNOT ELECT OBAMA! We need to fight this out long before...We should PICK one CONSERVATIVE&Support; him financially and every way we can!

POST American| 10.14.11 @ 10:07AM

---AS we deal with CHEM-trailed skies
mixed with FUKISHIMA fallout ---on
top of those cancer weaponized POLIO
shots---and the sterilant GMO foods
---and flouride tainted water ----and the
saturation of our entire enviornment
with bisphenol and estrogern leeching
plastics ----------------UH-------------------
can even the Rockefeller FAKE 'Left' and
FAKE 'Right' find ----------A MAN????

Remember kiddies ---it REALLY IS
the Globalist RED China sellout, TREASON
and world EUGENICS OP.

----------------IT REALLY REALLY IS-----------------

elmo| 10.14.11 @ 10:08AM

OMG!!! Say it ain't so. Rubio is not part of this is he? As a Florida native, he is my young "shining star" and I have contributed significantly to his campaign. What a true disappointment if he is part of this deal.

Mike D.| 10.14.11 @ 10:13AM

Rubio is a politician. whats new here?

Petronius| 10.14.11 @ 10:18AM

We're already toast. The Republican party in my state has declared the spring primary "nonbinding". This makes it a farce and a lose-lose, as it is being done expressly to checkmate TeaParty voters. The Replisnobs and the Demoncrats have one commonality; the desire to prevent anybody they don't like from ever accumulating enough wealth to escape their socialistic meat grinder. They have acted in concert to destroy the value of our homes and savings. We cannot beat them politically, but that isn't what this struggle is about. Only the highly affluent up to and including the independently wealthy enjoy the luxury of what used to be our Right of Free Association. That means the Right not to. The so called Civil Rights Law took that Right from one segment of society, the white middle class, and forced us to be preyed upon by all the lowlife in the world. Ironically, traitors among our own did this because they identify with that collection of lowlife who want everything given to them. And they have us right where they want us. Romney will be nominated and be elected the best Democrat Republicans ever had. The Conservative voters will again have nowhere to turn on election day and regardless of who wins, all we can expect is more intense persecution which will continue until we hit bottom and lose all we have to the predators in our streets and the parasites in government.

aware| 10.14.11 @ 10:48AM

Bravely said, Petronius.

Mark B| 10.14.11 @ 10:19AM

Your comparison between Romney & the GOP field to the Rubio/Crist race does not jive. Marco Rubio was a skilled, and talented politician already well established in Florida politics, with a base of support amongst grassroots conservatives and voters in South Florida, particularly Cuban-Americans. Rick Perry is a conservative and has vast political experience, but he does not have the talent and ability to wage a 50 state national campaign based on what I've seen. Herman Cain has no political experience. Now, many might say that is a positive for Cain, and honestly I might be inclined to agree with you, but the fact is, it is extraordinarily difficult to run for President, having never held elected office in your life. His 9-9-9 tax plan, which gives the federal government authority to levy sales and value-added taxes on top of the income tax is something that a seasoned conservative pol would never do.

Mimi| 10.14.11 @ 10:39AM

You know what MARK ? I see the same thing.!
I'm beginning to look at Newt!

BackToBasics| 10.14.11 @ 8:04PM

Gingrich is a good debater but I do not see him lowering spending at all and any tax cuts would be narginal. He's too establishment for what the country needs to pull back from the brink just as Romney and Perry are as well.

He's in camp with the Democrats on global warming too.

http://www.foxnews.com/politic.....ad-pelosi/

Clinton| 10.16.11 @ 7:42AM

Right! Herman Cain doesn't want to win he only wants to make sure no conservative stops Mitt's coronation. Anyone who looks seriously at his pizza deal of 9.99, his being anti life and marriage and pro-gun control knows Hermitt Cain isn't a real conservative anymore than Mitt or Christie.

Steve A| 10.14.11 @ 10:40AM

Mark, I think you have stumbled upon the nuggget here. Cain is doing & saying things that "seasoned politicians" would not do & say. This is the appeal.

As for the 999. The fact of the matter is that any future leftist administration can & will raise, create & impose higher taxes in any variety of ways (cap & trade, for example). 999 is simple, easy to understand, a net reduction, more fair & far superior to the current code. The 2/3 congressional authority to raise is not a safegurad against changing it (Unconstitutional), but it's name alone would create huge barriers for future administrations to overcome in terms of jacking it up. How popular would it be to push 10/10/10 & raise taxes on EVERYONE?? Ain't gonna happen.

Mimi| 10.14.11 @ 10:53AM

Steve...there is not a time I see or hear Herman Cain that I smile and like him....the 99 is fine but a NEW SALES TAX on top of the income tax is a KILLER for me! In N.Y. our sales tax started out @ 4% now it's 8%. If we BUY, it's 17% !
BUT IF.....Cain looks like he's IT....I will vote for him.
Newts ideas are BRILLIANT and will carve out A HISTORICAL path to our FREE nations future...Too GOOD for me to resist and think ahead for my many childrens and 23 GRAND-CHILDRENS future! Read up on this I found it to be PROFOUND and reason to bend toward Newt.

Steve A| 10.14.11 @ 11:23AM

Mimi, I hear ya. I personally think Newt is easily the best candidate in the field. It's not even really close. I would love to see him get momentum. If it looks like Cain, I think Cain / Newt would crush Obama. Cain could use Newt's policy skills & DC navigation to enact positive legislation.

All of the "pros" tell me Newt is done & damaged goods, but these are the same guys who gave us McCain. They say he is poison for independents, as well as Cain, but I'm just not gonna buy that. The last thing we need is Romney, but I still pull the lever for him vs. Obama.

Conserdude| 10.14.11 @ 12:57PM

Newt is a great debater and policy wonk, and a deeply flawed character who failed as Speaker and reckless in his personal life. I have no use for Romney, but he's preferrable over Newtie.

Steve A| 10.14.11 @ 2:18PM

Newt failed eventually as speaker because the press was relentless in seeking his destruction due to his effectiveness. Things are different today whith the Net, Fox, Talk Radio to balance the nonsense.

I remember seeing a clip of him back in the day & it went like this, " Now, I'm going to go reeeal slow here cause I know there are members of the press present. If you reduce the rate of projected growth from 7% to 5% of a government program, it is not a cut." "Do we understand, Just nod your head yes."

He takes no sh*t whatsoever from these leftist morons in the press & this alone puts him at the top of the list, along with Cain.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 2:41PM

Mimi,

There are a lot of people here at TAS that don't like Herman Cain and are blatantly trying to misrepresent him.

I believe that what the 9% sales tax is, is a maximum sales tax. Not an additional one.

Beware of the Republican Establishment types AS WELL AS the despicable Paul-bots trying to write him off.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:49PM

Herman Cain Was For TARP, Before He Was Against TARP.

Herman Cain Was Against Auditing The FED, Before He Was For Auditing The FED.

Herman Cain Was Against Muslims In His cabinet, Before He Was For Muslims In His Cabinet.

Margie| 10.15.11 @ 12:29PM

Clint was a lying idiot named Tim* before he was a lying idiot named Clint.

Clinton| 10.16.11 @ 7:47AM

If Cain actually knew anything about the Constitution and didn't get it confused with the Declaration of Independence he'd know, as the Democrats found out with Obamacare, you cannot obligate future Congresses to a 2/3 vote to repeal anything or vote anything up or down. That would take a Constitutional amendment.

His pizza marketing idea of 9.99 is a massive tax increase that will make Dodd-Frank look like a brilliant piece of legislation.

POST American| 10.14.11 @ 10:43AM

IMPORTANT to remember as we
take in the cardboard for 2012---

in this age of FULL-spectrum cyber
surveillance etc. there is very likely not
a single candidate on show (--with the
exception of Ron Paul--) who hasn't
been seriously compromised.

Remember, PCs all have back doors,
can be activated for eavedropping and
even video even when not on. Cellphones
likewise. CHECK IT OUT.

Everyone should now be aware the
new model cars are ALLLL equipped with
ON STAR etc. satellite tracking and eavesdropping devices.

Hence, if you're perplexed WHY
your party's candidate isn't talking
about anything that matters ----
DON'T BE.

This issue is made more disturbing by
the FACT that it's NEVER addressed,
or even mentioned by the CON-trolled
Globalist front 'media'.

--------Of course, needless to add,
there is NO longer ANY press.

SO----------Keep a goin' kiddies!

------------------FOX is watchin' out for ya'

------------------------Just keep a goin'!

Steve A| 10.14.11 @ 10:49AM

Hey POST, Better get you tinfoil hat on so nobody intercepts those "stellar" thoughts of yours.

Mike Hawk| 10.14.11 @ 4:58PM

DOn't worry to much about him. He's still revved from yesterday's full moon. Tomorrow he's get his meds and go back to his room.

Timothy L. Pennell| 10.14.11 @ 11:10AM

Look. This is simple. Ya know how everyone's always saying that, "You can't just run AGAINST someone. You have to be FOR something."?
Ladies and Gentlemen. Allow me to introduce the Exception to the Rule. Barack Hussein Obama.
If there was ever, a Clay Pigeon, just begging to be taken out? It's His Majesty, the guy with the "Blacks Only" Justice Department.
Tell me something he's done right. ANYTHING!
Now, tell me what he's done wrong.
Simple, right? Of course it is, IF you're willing to do, what needs to be done.
Our Nominee needs to be FEARLESS. Our Nominee must be prepared to GO AFTER Der Fuhrer, with Both Barrels. The Country needs to be REMINDED of all the Golf Outings, and Parties at the White House, while the people in the Gulf, watched their livelihoods disappear, underneath a sheen of Oil. They need to be REMINDED of all the Vacations. The Jaunts to Ireland, and to England, to drink Beer and $1000 Wine, in a Toast to Shared Sacrifice.
They need to be REMINDED of the illegal Drilling Moratoriums, and the Jobs they destroyed. REMINDED of the attacks against the Coal Industry, and the Natural Gas Industry, and the Canadian Pipeline Deal, and the Hundreds of Thousands of Jobs, that have been ABORTED.
They need to be REMINDED of his associations with Frank Marshall Davis and Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan and Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn and Khalid Rashidi and the Black Panthers.
They need to be INFORMED of his complicity in the Deaths of Hundreds, if not Thousands, of Mexicans, killed by the Weapons that HE bought, and HE had taken over the Border and given to the Dug Cartels, so that HE could use their murders, to push for more Gun Control.
Only Herman Cain, can do all that. None of the others will DARE to do these things. They're too afraid of the "R" Word. And, if they're afraid of THAT? What else are they afraid of?
The Rich Kid (Romney) doesn't have the BALLS, to do what needs to be done.
And, the "MORMON" thing?
They will hang that around his neck like an ANVIL. And, it WILL cost us the Election.
Believe it!

Steve A| 10.14.11 @ 11:15AM

Grz, Lancelot would bring some baggage. He nailed Arthur's wife on a patch of moss. This would be fine were he a Dem. but could cause him some problems.

fmm| 10.14.11 @ 11:35AM

Dump Romney! The only viable choices are Cain and Gingrich.

martin j smith| 10.14.11 @ 11:43AM

Ron Paul is comprised--sounds like one half of Obama. Sorry, unacceptable to me will never vote for him.
As for the rest of this dog and pony show: Here is the backdrop of it all.
Obama continues his curruption and thru his Marxist,Communist and Socialist crowd has set up a thuggury mob that could be a gigantic problem. Now I do not know how folks feel about Andrew Breitbart, but he has stated that he posses e-mails that confirm the idea of violence organized by LEFTIST most likely with the support of Obama. He has said so i gather that he will release them. I hope a) he does release them b) the are real and c) if they are what he says they are spread thru the internet. While this going on the Republican Establishment tries to manipulate voters . I am getting extremely close to deciding that Romney is on my NO list. A lot depends on what happens in the coming days and weeks. Stay tuned

Mike D.| 10.14.11 @ 12:12PM

I hear ya, but prepare. THEY, meaning our President and his Communist thugs WANT this in the streets. Make no mistake about it. The only question about next year is how far this thing in the White House is willing to push it to keep his position.

Mimi| 10.14.11 @ 4:58PM

I'm getting a whiff of "ODINGO" stink.....does anyone else smell a RAT ???.....rumors of coming violence from "O" .....Does anyone have a copy of the letter sent by "O" to Kenya to help in an election there?????

martin j smith| 10.14.11 @ 11:47AM

Check the headline on FOX on line --Mobsters confront and clash with Police in NY and Denver.
Sorry, but this is what I am talking about.

Who Knows?| 10.14.11 @ 12:03PM

Sizzle, not the steak.
Style over substance.

As an older observer of the 24/7 political dance, I’ve learned to avoid SEEING and HEARING via cathode ray tube images and sounds the sizzle and style of the candidates, as well as---especially!---the pundits.

Why, it’s more than enough of an effort to put up with the written words I deign to read daily!

However, gains made by winnowing out losers over the years have resulted in a residual of chelated-out winners, who I do, if I’m in the mood, choose to SEE and HEAR.

For me, as one who almost always follows Quin’s one time shot of eschewing all but the written words from these GOP wannabes, of course the rise of Cain has to be the most intriguing story. His 9-9-9 economic plan is thus most vital to understand.

Hence, until today (as someone who basically has an MA in economics from UCSB), after reading the reliable WSJ editorial pages and all the other hot shots give their erudite opinions about it, I was convinced it was a bad idea. So, I was eager and happy to SEE and HEAR Art Laffer, via Realclearpolitics.com’s youtube portal, give his APPROVAL to 9-9-9.

Actually, I was kind of shocked that Art didn’t denigrate it, BEFORE I carefully listened to him.

His analysis of 9-9-9 and what it would do was absolutely clear---and, his rebuttal to the argument that in the future politicians could make it a 20-20-20 etc “plan” cold cocked this complaint.

As Milton Friedman taught us, it’s the TOTAL amount of government spending that matters, not how it’s financed.

It’s the SPENDING, stupid!

In simple terms, then, pace the many-years argument by the WSJ, the key number to pay attention to is the percent of GDP that the federal government has SPENT, on average, over the years---usually excepting WWII for example.

So, 22% is about what SHOULD BE acceptable.

Now, attention must be paid to HOW that money is removed from the clinging fingers of taxpayers. At the present, as everyone agrees, the tax system is ROTTEN, inefficient, not reformable, and indeed, corrupt.

Cain’s 9-9-9 plan would be a HUGE improvement on what we now suffer, and in a much more efficient way be able to provide the 22% the fed should spend---and, NOT screw people who don’t deserve to be screwed. In short, if we were starting over, 9-9-9 would certainly be preferred to what we now have.

Now the bad news.

Nothing will change, except more fiddling in the future, around the edges, of the current tax system---probably for the lifetime of anyone over 50, at least. The status quo has many weapons to defend itself. It would likely be necessary for a war or some horrible catastrophe for the people to be FORCED to get back to a basic and efficient and FAIR tax code.

As for Romney, and the seven or eight other “dwarves” fighting to be able to “debate” Obama and win the presidency, they face a simple test---convince enough voters to choose them. This means, without a doubt, that---

Sizzle and style are what it’s all about! Proof---Obama!

So, my advice is to NOT take seriously all the inside baseball games about substance and the “steaks”, because even though they are interesting and edifying, for the people who matter—the average voters---they DO watch and listen to the candidates, and for the most part they don’t HEAR or SEE what’s beneath the shimmering offerings.

It rained today. It’ll probably rain tomorrow.

Obama ran against McCain in 2008.

You know what comes next!

mder4thegov| 10.14.11 @ 12:32PM

Fact: Herman Cain is getting Palin supporters.
It doesn't take Albert Einstein to know this.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 2:36PM

And if that's the case, we have ourselves a winner.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:46PM

Like Sarah Palin Said, Cain's The Flavor Of The Week.

Margie| 10.15.11 @ 12:27PM

You and your perverted pals keep slandering Herman Cain.

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death."
Rev. 21:8.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 2:39PM

Cain's 9-9-9 Is A Shuck & Jive Non-Starter Embarassment.

We Conservatives Will Never Allow Big Government To Have A National Sales Tax & An Income Tax.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Margie| 10.15.11 @ 11:07PM

You're not a conservative.

Margie| 10.15.11 @ 11:12PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0O4GjEWDzE

She meant it that He's the REAL deal, imbecile.

Conserdude| 10.14.11 @ 12:48PM

Romney will follow the GOP presidential tradition of presiding over Democrat-Liberal advancements like Ike, Nixon and Bush's I & II before him. Conservative voters need to coalesce around Herman Cain to stop this pending nomination debacle of Romneycare being the nominee. All the others (Perry, Bachmann, et al) have no chance.

Ken (Old Texican)| 10.14.11 @ 1:00PM

Folks,
Mr. Romney doesn't know...OR CARE... diddly shit about creating jobs and wealth.

PERRY DOES!

Two million jobs literally over-night...for zero taxes spent.
Please get serious.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 1:51PM

I AM serious. Is Perry serious?

Michael K| 10.14.11 @ 1:14PM

Rather have Obama as a 4 year lame duck thanks to a GOP Congress than Romney possible POTUS for 8 years jamming his Demncratic-lite agenda down the throats of a GOP Congress.

Diane L Asp| 10.14.11 @ 2:02PM

I don't believe a person should get the Republican Presidential Nomination because "it's their turn". That's how we got John McCain and that's how we got Robert Dole. Thanks for writing this article. I've posted it on FB. Keep up the great work you're doing.

Sparky| 10.14.11 @ 2:21PM

Wait till they bring up Mitt's magical underwear and that Satan is Jesus' brother. Not to mention what Mitt did to that poor dog.

Intelligent Design| 10.14.11 @ 6:23PM

Romney would perpetuate Obama's socialist policies. Perry would turn Obama's world upside down.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 6:39PM

El Rushbo on Herman Cain: He's consistently conservative!

http://www.therightscoop.com/r.....servative/

Simon Templar| 10.14.11 @ 7:31PM

Nice, Margie, thanks for the link, I just listened to it and read the article.

I have been giving this GOP fiasco establishment election process some thought and am proposing that the Tea Party and conservatives break out of this trap and pick their own candidates, Cain, perhaps being one of them, and get on with it; turn over their volunteers, their organizational structure, and their fund raising machine to that person and take control of this situation.

Rove wants to see money and boots, then let us show him.

Margie| 10.14.11 @ 8:24PM

You're more than welcome, good sir. I needed some encouragement in the face of all the Cain bashing, so I thought, let me see what Rush says about him. It seems he's always in agreement with me, LOL. For years.
I don't get to listen to him as much, but when I do, I await to to hear what he's thinking about especially Cain and Perry.
And, I happen to also agree with Mimi and Steve A's comments here about Newt. I think he'd be pretty great as President, but don't know if he''s got a chance.

As to your idea, how would we do it? Is it possible?
What does anyone else think here?

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:57PM

Ron Paul calls out Herman Cain On The FED.

Watch Both Videos.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/....._blog.html

Margie| 10.15.11 @ 12:25PM

All the more reason to know that we should check out Herman Cain.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 2:35PM

All The More Reason To See Cain As A Shuck & Jive RINO-CINO FED Fraud, Who , As Sarah Palin Said, Is The Flavor Of The Day.

Margie| 10.15.11 @ 11:06PM

Herman Cain ruffles your (snake) scales.
Keep lying about Herman Cain and what Sarah meant.
It won't do you any good, why?
Because real conservatives actually have BRAINS in their heads, and think for themselves, unlike you sick and perverted Ron Paul cultists.

Do you REALLY believe ANYBODY believes you?
The TRUTH speaks for itself, and you have no truth in you!

Caroline| 10.14.11 @ 8:00PM

From an article written by Dr. Jack Wheeler at To The Point News. He used to work for the CIA and was part of the Reagan Adminstration.

tothepointnews.com

"The next GOP presidential candidate debate is four days from now, Tuesday, October 18, in Vegas on CNN. It will focus primarily albeit not exclusively on foreign policy.

I've been asked by friends of a particular candidate to provide him with a private briefing on the most critical foreign policy issues America faces. What follows is not the usual HFR but a condensed summary of that briefing, which contains much of my Map of the Future talk at Rendezvous XI last weekend."

The American Economy and Foreign Policy. A strong America obviously requires a strong and flourishing economy. This can only be achieved by getting the government out of the way of it.

This cannot be done by a smooth-talking sophist who believes in Warmism (thus renewable energy crony capitalist scams), and whose health care program served as the model for the abomination of Obamacare.

This cannot be done by a Johnny One Note who can only talk about his tax reform plan that will take years to implement (if ever), and thus will do absolutely nothing to immediately revive the economy and create massive job growth.

This cannot be done by anyone pretending his business experience can be applied to running a government. Governments and their bureaucracies are the opposite of a for-profit business and cannot be run on business principles. Governments, the federal government in particular, can only be run on Constitutional principles, which means eliminating all federal activities, programs, agencies, and departments not enumeratedly authorized by the Constitution. (Not all at once but in an orderly manner - Rome wasn't torn down in a day.)

This can be done only by someone with successful executive government experience who is committed to those Constitutional restrictions, most particularly those embodied in the 10th Amendment.

I wish that person well in the debate next Tuesday and in the months of campaigning to come. The 2012 GOP nomination campaign will be a test of endurance. It will not and mathematically cannot be won quickly.

30 states hold their GOP primaries before April, which are by new RNC rules proportional. A candidate who wins a majority or plurality of votes in these primaries only gets his proportion of the delegates - it's not winner-take-all. 55% of the votes, say, gets you 55% of the delegates, no more.

Further, because they are in violation of RNC rules for insisting on ridiculously early primaries, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina, Florida, Arizona, and Michigan will be penalized with a loss of half of their delegates. Iowa is a non-binding caucus so it's just a pr show.

The race will not be won until deep into April - and thus will be won by the best funded, best organized, and most determined never-give-up persistent candidate. For America's sake, let that candidate be also the most Constitutionally principled.

Rob N| 10.14.11 @ 6:54PM

Folks--We are being played by the Republican Establishment. Herman Cain is not to be trusted. His campaign is designed to capture Tea Party enthusiasm and nullify it long enough for the true conservatives to drop out. Cain's tax plan is asinine -- at best, it won't pass through Congress; at worst, it will be a brand new revenue stream for our already oppressive government. Cain is a supporter of the Federal Reserve and is a TARP supporter. Wake up, people.

There are two movement conservatives that we need to get behind -- Ron Paul & Rick Perry.

Full disclosure -- Paul is my first choice, hands down. If you call yourrself a conservative, then you ought to see how amazingly consistent and wise his positions are. The problem with Paul is not him, but the electorate. Neoconservatism has thoroughly polluted the Republican party. Hopefully, conservatives have not been so brainwashed by the Murdoch/Kristol/Rove vision of the Republican party that they fail to see the true conservativism of Paul.

Perry is flawed, but he could be dynamic. The energy policy that he rolled out today is excellent. Look at the opposition he is getting. A politician who has both the Establishment and opposition party vigorously oppposing him has my attention. So what if he is a lackluster debater? He can lead and usher in positive changes. His record is impressive. And if you think about it, he is actually right on the most controversial positions.

Pay attention to both men going forward and don't be seduced by the likes of Cain, or even worse, Romney.

Simon Templar| 10.14.11 @ 7:17PM

Where are you getting this stuff? Did you sneak into the secret campaign room of Cains staff or wiretap his phone? Are you playing with the rest of us?

Simon Templar| 10.14.11 @ 7:20PM

Oh, sorry, I did not read carefully your comment but skimmed it. You are a Paulbot, it makes complete sense now.

Clint| 10.14.11 @ 11:44PM

Cain's 9-9-9 Is A Non-Starter.

Conservatives Won't Allow Big Government To Have A National Sales Tax & An Income Tax.

Margie| 10.15.11 @ 12:24PM

You're not a conservative.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 2:28PM

You're A Serial Slandering Liar, RINO-CINO McCain Broad, Margie.
You'll Use Romney Too, Israel Firster Screwball.

The Tea Party Steps On Apocalyptic Crank Lady Margie's Face.

Margie| 10.15.11 @ 11:03PM

HA HA HA!!!
Stupid little boy.

Clint| 10.16.11 @ 12:00AM

You Got Little To Laugh About Joisey White Trash Anti-Catholic Bigot Pig, Margie.

Margie| 10.16.11 @ 12:44PM

"He will guard the feet of his faithful ones; but the wicked shall be cut off in darkness; for not by might shall a man prevail." 1 Sam. 2:9.

Ha! Ha! Ha!

Caroline| 10.14.11 @ 8:00PM

From an article written by Dr. Jack Wheeler at To The Point News. He used to work for the CIA and was part of the Reagan Adminstration.

tothepointnews.com

"The next GOP presidential candidate debate is four days from now, Tuesday, October 18, in Vegas on CNN. It will focus primarily albeit not exclusively on foreign policy.

I've been asked by friends of a particular candidate to provide him with a private briefing on the most critical foreign policy issues America faces. What follows is not the usual HFR but a condensed summary of that briefing, which contains much of my Map of the Future talk at Rendezvous XI last weekend."

The American Economy and Foreign Policy. A strong America obviously requires a strong and flourishing economy. This can only be achieved by getting the government out of the way of it.

This cannot be done by a smooth-talking sophist who believes in Warmism (thus renewable energy crony capitalist scams), and whose health care program served as the model for the abomination of Obamacare.

This cannot be done by a Johnny One Note who can only talk about his tax reform plan that will take years to implement (if ever), and thus will do absolutely nothing to immediately revive the economy and create massive job growth.

This cannot be done by anyone pretending his business experience can be applied to running a government. Governments and their bureaucracies are the opposite of a for-profit business and cannot be run on business principles. Governments, the federal government in particular, can only be run on Constitutional principles, which means eliminating all federal activities, programs, agencies, and departments not enumeratedly authorized by the Constitution. (Not all at once but in an orderly manner - Rome wasn't torn down in a day.)

This can be done only by someone with successful executive government experience who is committed to those Constitutional restrictions, most particularly those embodied in the 10th Amendment.

I wish that person well in the debate next Tuesday and in the months of campaigning to come. The 2012 GOP nomination campaign will be a test of endurance. It will not and mathematically cannot be won quickly.

30 states hold their GOP primaries before April, which are by new RNC rules proportional. A candidate who wins a majority or plurality of votes in these primaries only gets his proportion of the delegates - it's not winner-take-all. 55% of the votes, say, gets you 55% of the delegates, no more.

Further, because they are in violation of RNC rules for insisting on ridiculously early primaries, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina, Florida, Arizona, and Michigan will be penalized with a loss of half of their delegates. Iowa is a non-binding caucus so it's just a pr show.

The race will not be won until deep into April - and thus will be won by the best funded, best organized, and most determined never-give-up persistent candidate. For America's sake, let that candidate be also the most Constitutionally principled.

Caroline| 10.14.11 @ 8:09PM

The Republican elite are in for a surprise, Romney won't win. Romneycare/Obamacare. Romney believes in man made global warming. He's a socialist, because his actions show it.

Rob N| 10.15.11 @ 12:54AM

Excellent posts. I don't think people realize how dangerous Romney is. The entire narrative that is fueling his candidacy is based on an extreme pragmatism ("We need a candidate that can capture independent voters," "We need someone that can beat Obama"). Hogwash. A vote for Romney is not pragmatic; it is a complete abandonment of any conservative principal. He has strong socialist tendencies and has aligned himself with some notorious neocons (note his new foreign advisory team).

Romney could beat Obama, but he is exactly what the Obama administration is hoping for.A Romney nomination neutralizes most of the effective arguments against Obama. Obamacare? Forget it -- Romney is the fountainhead for that abomination. Bailouts? Romney agreed with TARP. Romney's blue-blood background allow Obama to use his full class warfare playbook. Romney never served in the military and it will be hard to convince general election voter that he has the chops to be Commander-in-Chief. Obama will just remind voters that "he got Osama."

Ironically, the argument for "electability" may beguile conservatives into getting behind a candidate that gives Obama his best shot at reelection.

John II| 10.14.11 @ 9:17PM

What is this "DOCTOR Ron Paul" stuff I keep hearing from Clint and others? Where I work, I'm surrounded by people who call themselves "DOCTOR"--the most pathetic of them attaching the silly title to their monikers on their office doors. Sort of like "DOCTOR Martin Luther King" (who, by the way, cribbed his Ph.D. thesis).

I know hundreds of DOCTOR's, and the only DOCTOR I'm personally acquainted with who ISN'T a jackass is my cardiologist. (Well--there's me, but at my insistence they call me MISTER.) Who is this DOCTOR Ron Paul, anyway?

And now back to "Grapes of Wrath" (1939), in which DOCTOR Henry Fonda anticipates the advent of his insufferable daughter with the musings of a yokel: "Reds! Reds! All I hear about these days is REDS! Who ARE these Reds, anyway?"

Margie| 10.15.11 @ 11:02PM

Because, if you're a "Doctor", everyone's supposed to fall on the floor and listen to you. No matter WHAT you say.

Clint| 10.15.11 @ 11:56PM

Only A Total Asshole, Who's Moniker Is Paul II Would Ask.

John II| 10.16.11 @ 5:13PM

Doctor Ron Paul II? You mean . . . there's TWO of 'em?!!??

And now back to "Duck Soup" (1933), in which the Marx Brothers parse the world of politics.

Cabinet Member One: "We need to take up the national budget!"
Cabinet Member Two: "No, we need to take up the election!"
Groucho: "You're both wrong. We need to take up the carpet."
Cabinet Member Three: "No, we need to take up the tax!"
Groucho: "That's true. You need to take up the tacks before you can take up the carpet."

Nite| 10.14.11 @ 9:50PM

Conservatives need to get ready, because the GOP elite are pushing Romney hard. The GOP elite does not want a conservative like Rick Perry to get the nomination, because they don't think he will appeal to the independents and moderates. Well, I say huey, if he can get this country back to work. Energy is his forte and he can certainly do what he says in a short period of time. TX also developed more jobs than any other state. He has stated that he would use the TX model as a blueprint and work with Congress to get things done. He has been Chair of the Republican Governors, so he knows them all very well. The bottom line is the Dems only know how to increase union labor as public employees. They don't actually know how to create jobs, they simply drive jobs out of the country. Elect Rick Perry to the job and watch him get the country back to work. He is the only one with a huge resume in the energy sector, which would get the results quickly.

Tomp| 10.14.11 @ 11:10PM

Romney will be McCain II.

Alan Brooks| 10.15.11 @ 12:01AM

anyone the GOP elects will be McCain II, because the
era of small government is over- since 9/ 11.

Alan Brooks| 10.15.11 @ 12:02AM

...IF he (whomever the GOP nominates) is elected.

POST American| 10.15.11 @ 4:01AM

--------------------FINAL WORD------------------------

"Understand folks --you've got to know
WHO these people are? ---their family connections?
---what organizations --occult organizations
they belong to? ---WHO they've been involved
with, funded by? ---and most important, what
oaths they've sworn? IF they're associated with
the foundations, NGOs ---the CFR --Trilateral
--UN --Rockefellers they've already sworn
on to world govern-ANTS. They've already
committed TREASON against their people."
-ALAN WATT
(superb coverage of the CON)

-----------------------------UNDERSTAND?

Dan Mathewson| 10.15.11 @ 5:11PM

Sorry Skippy, I don't think anyone understands you.

martin j smith| 10.15.11 @ 7:54AM

Every person must make up their own minds and again ignore pundits,politicians and pollsters --yeah even them. There is too much manipulation going on.
But watch Obama, watch the Establishment Republicans and Socialists moves, watch what candidates do or do not do. Example: How come Romney is getting a free pass from ALL of the other candidates about Romney Care and its connection to Obama Care ?

There are those who say if Romney is the nominee vote for him. This may be wise advice--its more likely ( if it happens ) our only choice. I would like the competition for the nomination to be a fair one not manipulated.
If it is manipulated you will know.

Delta Zelda| 10.15.11 @ 10:46AM

Think about this seriously: Do you really think the RNC will nominate Herman Cain as its presidential nominee? They are not ready to nominate a woman or a black. They are hell-bent on nominating Romney. Unless Rick Perry starts tearing Romney apart on Romneycare and his flip-flops on everything else, we will be stuck with Romney.

Margie| 10.15.11 @ 12:23PM

Ok, I see the point, but how is Rick Perry any different to them than Cain?
He's a Christian and a conservative supposedly, too.
Even if he did break through, or quit holding back, or whatEVER it is he's doing~ would the RNC ever back him?
If it's Romney they want...

Cpm| 10.15.11 @ 11:06AM

I'd be much happier if they'd stop feeding on their own and try to stop the democrat candidate.

Larryk| 10.15.11 @ 12:01PM

"2012 - If it's Mitt, on my hands I'll sit!"

Buck Ofama| 10.15.11 @ 12:45PM

...and, by default, let the mulatto continue to shit... on the USSA.

Buck Ofama| 10.15.11 @ 12:44PM

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Clinton| 10.15.11 @ 1:43PM

Cain supporters can deny it, but Herman Cain was, is and always has been Mitt Romney's man in this race to take out the real conservatives. That's why he's followed Romney's lead on conservative social issues (abortion, marriage and gun control), proposed a ludicrous tax increase as Huntsman joked based on a pizza deal, has zero organization, zero money and never attacks Romneycare or Romney.

Hermitt Cain is Romney's inside man to destroy any chance conservatives have winning the Republican nomination.

bluecollarbytes| 10.15.11 @ 4:09PM

The one thing that can be detected for sure is a huge majority voting block for 'someone besides Romney'.

We are not going to turn the tax codes upside down without years of public debate, so I hope Herman Cain recalibrates his smart public policy to something that our current politics can digest, something less/different than 999.

Brian| 10.15.11 @ 10:21PM

I've been warning ppl about Rubio. As Speaker of the FL House of Reps he could have stopped lots of Rino crap. But he let it get to the floor. Like funding for Planned Parenthood etc. Rubio is RINO.

BackToBasics| 10.16.11 @ 11:53AM

I agree. Though Rubio's not in it this time around, this primary and election, more than any in my memory shows just how much RINO / Establishment Republicans oppose much more conservative candidates. That includes not only many pundits on sites such as National Review but many who write posts here.

The RINO's really do not see the danger we face as a nation. We are at a precipice and they think we can continue to make marginal policy changes and all will be well. I think Democrat leaders do see the danger and most welcome it since it will usher in a revolution that they hope will be the end of capitalism.

Democrats see the precipice as do conservatives. Dems like it and want to go voer the edge, conservatives don't. But RINO's are the most blind of the 3 groups.

The Bruce| 10.16.11 @ 10:12PM

You know, for all the pissing and moaning about this GOP candidate over that GOP candidate, I can't help but wonder who they'll support once the primaries are over.

We need to be unified in our support of whomever wins the nomination, warts and all.

Because, at the end of the day, if you decide to hold your nose and not vote for the Republican candidate because he or she doesn't pass your holier than thou litmus test for a conservative, libertarian, or GOP candidate, you're only helping to ensure the Marxist gets a second term.

Is that what you really want?

You all need to get onboard and understand that any, ANY, of the current Republican candidates would be a better President than the current one.

Look, I didn't like McCain as a candidate either, and I made the mistake of staying home on election day of 2008. In other words, through my inaction, I helped put the community agitator in office, and my country's been paying the price ever since.

Bulgaricus| 10.16.11 @ 10:53PM

Romney & the rest of the foolish GOP establishment are a bunch of stuffed shirt idiots. They are the same fools that got Mc Cain & Dole nominated. These dummies need to stop what they are doing & go to work for Obama. Hell would freeze over before I vote for Romney. He is just another run of the mill RINO like Arnold or Bloomberg. REAL conservatives love Cain & Palin. The rest of the old like establishment dinosaurs & zombies will do everything to get Romney the nomination where he will either 1. loose badly or 2. win & be just another Obama. These big shot republicans never learn. They can all take a hike-especially Karl Rove!

John II| 10.17.11 @ 12:00AM

Er, isn't it mathematically correct to say that, if you take Gingrich and add him to Bachmann and add her to Cain and add him to Perry and add him to (my own favorite--but hey, I'm a conservative, in love with lost causes) Santorum--I mean, if you add up the support for ALL the sure-enough conservatives, you go way the hell over 50 percent?

And is there anyone in this room who thinks any ONE of those conservative candidates wouldn't draw in the support of all the others? And at least half or more of the squishy-minded Romney supporters would shrug and vote for the conservative candidate?

So what is all this Romney talk, anyway? "Oh, sometimes I think I will just go mad." (Groucho Marx quoting Greta Garbo, 1929)

section9| 10.17.11 @ 8:29AM

Great reporting, Stacy.

I suspect that the story was leaked by someone to damage Rubio's prospects of being picked by Mittens as his VP. OTOH, the Establishment wanted to wrap up the nomination early; witness the scrum they put up against Palin.

Well done. I wish Cain well, btw.

Red at Heart| 10.17.11 @ 8:41AM

The fix is in, clearly, with regard to Romney as being the Establishment Republicans' own version of The Annointed One.

Cain is going to begin to lose steam because he has no real-time record during the last few years and during the Recession. He's never defended a border, had to stand by a piece of legislation that he wrote that is under scrutiny, voted and had a negative backlash because of his decision. The grassroots movement should not ignore the incredible record of conservatism that Perry has and for those that automatically kicked him to the curb for instate tuition, do your homework on how that bill came about. Read up on Plyler v Doe and look at the growing number of other states that are taking the same approach. To make the ridiculous blanket statement that Perry is weak on immigration is entirely disingenuous. The opposite it true; in fact, no border state governor has done more.

Pahokee Pete| 10.17.11 @ 10:59AM

I wish I could say I am surprised and shocked by all of this. And...I know Marco's people deny it. What would you expect them to do, admit it? The darling of so many desperately searching conservative souls will not willingly come clean. He is quite the slickster when he needs to be.

Why does Rubio need a lobbyist as his Chief of Staff? And, one who is a Romney man? One is left to conclude that the "message" and "ethos" of the tea party movement rolled over Marco like water off a ducks back. He did use it well though.

Anywhere one finds the Bushes lurking there is far more afoot than is visible to the naked eye. Jeb played the role of Marco's patron from behind the curtain. He only came out into the light on election night. The Bushes too have an agenda. Marco fit right in as the perfect surrogate.

Well we've got to live with this mistake for another 5 years. There is plenty of time to do a lessons leaned. There must be a vetting process, and hopefully not a desperate lot of Conservatives grasping at anything resembling "close enough". Marco's history in Tallahassee did have raise concerns. In the end he seemed better than the others, not the ideal way to choose a rep for 6 years.

And...Much like the broken watch, Paul Senft just happened to be right this time. Have no fear, he is part of the Ruling Class Establishment, most likely for Romney, and wishing for McCain. He proved he holds the "average" guy in nothing but contempt, when he did a fill in as a County Commissioner. Doubtful he could get elected dog catcher there today.

T rodeo| 10.17.11 @ 11:47AM

There is no story here. Of course somebody lobbied for Florida's primary to be moved up. So what if Romney supporters wanted it? Just vote for who you want, whether its in March or January. People are always clamoring for some sort of conspiracy theory and somebody always wants to cry victim as if the big guys are out to get them. I think we are too much of a victim society. Candidates and advocacy groups should advertise what they have to offer, not cry about who is being mean and getting all the attention.

Liz| 10.17.11 @ 2:49PM

I came on this blog to try and learn something...won't stay though...only children blogging...from both sides...really pitiful...

Daniel| 10.17.11 @ 5:45PM

After a killing winter at Valley Forge most of his troops most without shoes and on the frozen ground marched to Trenton leaving a bloody trail from frostbitten feet of men he loved like his family marched with the possibility out numbered to possible oblivion. no more to see he beloved Martha or his beautiful home in Mount Vernon. He risked everything to save America. After Trenton the decision was not in doubt, America would live.

We live in far more perilous times now than Washington. Communists ring the streets. Traitors line our congress and president.

According to Cicero a traitor is far more dangerous than the enemy without the gates, one can ruin an entire nation.

Now we have the greatest woman leader since Joan of Arc, since perhaps Ester to save us true Americans and we cannot have her as our standardbearer. McCain and Alaska did not call you from obscurity Sarah, God did. As the children of Israel were unworthy to have a male leader the prophetess Deborah lead the armies of the Living God.

Jesus said that if mother or father sister or brother or child holds you back from the Kingdom of God it was unworthy.

Sarah, you are the best of us, without you America will never be the same. Please reconsider and run for all of the sons and daughters of the Living God!

POST American| 10.18.11 @ 12:30AM

--------------------BOTTOM LINE----------------------

SUB--Mitt ROME--knee

TTTT-Rick Pair--hee

and, now, a new bottom,
HER--MAN ----CAIN

--------------------------CAIN-----------------------------
--------------------------is the------------------------------
-----------------------psychopathic----------------------
----------------------USURY driving---------------------
------------------------ROT-child-------------------------
---------------------------FED------------------------------

-------------------------------------STEER clear!

But DO find the road to
-----------HUAC meets NUREMBERG 2012---------

REALLY

somnolence| 10.18.11 @ 12:31AM

If Mitt is the nominee in November 2012 he will receive my vote. In the meantime, once again today, I ripped up his latest campaign fund request which arrived unsolicited in my mail.

Earle Belle| 10.20.11 @ 5:08PM

Paul v Romney – Donations Show Stark Difference
Paul raised most from active military, Romney tapped big banks

LAKE JACKSON, Texas – A recent independent analysis of candidates’ campaign contributions reveals an interesting disparity between the Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign and frontrunner Mitt Romney’s campaign. Romney’s top supporters appear to be made up of big banks while, unsurprisingly, Paul’s top contributors were men and women serving in the U.S. Armed Forces.

“This fundraising analysis confirms Americans’ beliefs about Ron Paul and their suspicions about Mitt Romney. It is that Dr. Paul is extraordinarily popular and accepted by the everyman and by everyday heroes, while Romney relies almost exclusively on his big-business ties,” said Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton.

According to the analysis, the top three organizations that employ Romney’s supporters are Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse Group, and Morgan Stanley. Reflecting his popularity with the everyman and our uniformed service men and women, the top three organizations that employ Dr. Paul’s supporters are the U.S. Air Force, the U.S. Army, and the U.S. Navy.

The study notes that the organizations themselves did not contribute. Rather, “the money came from the organization’s PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals’ immediate families.” The analysis suggests, then, that the use of PACs, bundling, subsidiaries and the like was not a feature of Dr. Paul’s grassroots fundraising.
Ron Paul Campaign Tops Others in Q3 Active-Military Donations
Outraises all other Republican candidates combined, outraises Obama

LAKE JACKSON, Texas – The Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign raised more campaign donations from active military than all other presidential candidates—Republican or Democrat—including having raised more funds from this segment than all other GOP competitors combined, and more than incumbent President Barack Obama.

Dr. Paul, an Air Force veteran, raised more than $75,000 from active military in the third quarter. This comes after Dr. Paul out-raised all GOP candidates – including all GOPers combined, and President Obama singularly – in the second quarter of this year. Dr. Paul also outraised his GOP competitors in a head-to-head comparison during his 2008 run for the presidency.

This determination was arrived at using an independent campaign analysis of FEC filing data focusing on contributors who listed their occupation and employer when contributing.

“Ron Paul is the only candidate with a plan to end the growing number of unconstitutional undeclared wars, having an unclear connection to U.S. national security, end costly overseas nation-building that pays no friendship dividends, and stop subsidizing global security. Instead Dr. Paul will bring our troops home, secure our borders and lead the nation in practicing a traditional Republican noninterventionist foreign policy,” said Ron Paul 2012 Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton.

“Let me also submit that Dr. Paul out-raising all candidates in military donations demonstrates that his ‘Plan to Restore America’ might sit well among voters who are active-military or veterans,” continued Mr. Benton.

To view the Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign’s latest veterans-themed ad, click here. To view its latest foreign policy-themed ad, click here.
Ron Paul’s Free Market Fix for Healthcare

Ron Paul on how we can substantively fix our healthcare problems:

Obama is just adding on more government…

Our problem is that we have too much government management of our healthcare…

If you want better competition and healthcare you should allow the American people to opt out of government healthcare…

When a government gets involved in an industry prices go up…

We need more competition in healthcare…

Let people have control over their own money…
Standing Above the Fray

Once again, it’s worth pointing out that all of these candidates are viciously attacking one other over each of their lackluster, big government records.

They all have them. Except one.

And that candidate continues to stand above the fray because there is nothing to attack.

http://www.revolutionpac.com/2.....er-snipes/

The Obama Timeline | 10.20.11 @ 6:58PM

The second Rubio is chosen as the GOP's vice presidential candidate the lawsuits will fly because, like Obama and Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio is NOT a natural born citizen. (He is only a native born citizen, as his parents were not U.S. citizens at the time of his birth.)

On the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives in 1862, Congressman John Bingham—the “father of the 14th Amendment”—stated, “All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.” In 1866 Bingham stated, “Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” Bingham’s definition was never disputed by other Congressmen. (Obama supporters—including attorneys filing briefs with the U.S. Supreme Court—have omitted the words “of parents” when quoting Bingham’s statement, in a shameful and intentional effort to mislead.)

In Minor v. Happersett (1875) Chief Justice of the Supreme Court C. J. Waite wrote, “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.”

The Obama Timeline | 10.20.11 @ 7:01PM

November 2012, Obama versus Romney

Lesser of two evils? Or the leper with the fewest missing fingers?

We had better elect 60 Republicans to the U.S. Senate... It will be a vicious campaign and Obama's Axelrod and the media will leave no Mormon stone unturned.

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