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The UN House of Lies

By on 9.26.11 @ 6:08AM

Bibi Netanyahu spoke in tones that left one longing for Jeane Kirkpatrick.

Listening to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas address the UN General Assembly last week, I thought I heard a faint echo in the chamber. I heard it again when President Obama argued that he was for establishing a Palestinian state before he was against it.

I thought for a moment that it was the shade of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, the liberal Democrat who in 1975 stood up in the General Assembly to pronounce its “Zionism is racism” resolution an obscenity.

But when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke, I recognized the voice I heard in the background. Netanyahu chose to stand on the shoulders of a diminutive woman: the late, great, Jeane Kirkpatrick.

In tones that ranged from combative to conciliatory to exasperated, the Israeli leader challenged the members of the UN to, for once, impose the same standards by which they judge Israel on the Palestinians. Why not, he argued, hold the Palestinians and Israelis to the same standards of conduct, and morality?

Netanyahu recited a brief version of the United Nations’ abuses of Israel. The 1975 “Zionism is racism” resolution. The 1980 peace agreement with Egypt that was denounced in the UN. He said, “And it’s here year after year that Israel is unjustly singled out for condemnation. It’s singled out for condemnation more often than all the nations of the world combined. Twenty-one out of the 27 General Assembly resolutions condemn Israel — the one true democracy in the Middle East.”

Not only is Israel condemned routinely, Netanyahu said, some of the worst despots, dictators and terrorists are elevated to prominence in the UN: Saddam Hussein’s Iraq as leader of the UN disarmament conference, Gaddafi’s Libya chairing the Commission on Human Rights, and now Hezbollah-controlled Lebanon presiding over the Security Council.

It is a blindness to morality, an abandonment of epistemological standards that distinguish between freedom and slavery, between terrorism and democracy, that Netanyahu argued against. It is the same moral blindness that Jeane Kirkpatrick condemned as “the sin of moral equivalence.”

Almost three decades ago, Kirkpatrick argued with intellectual precision that the Soviets had undermined the semantic rules by which people and their nations had been judged. She said that it had been important that an educated person found it important and persuasive to distinguish between the concept of civilization set forth in the U.S. constitution and the alternative concepts of the Soviet “constitution.” But, she said, by their ideological and semantic attacks, the Soviets had managed to create a sense of equality. In 1985, she wrote:

I believe that anyone who fails to see a difference between Grenada and Afghanistan is not only seriously mistaken but very seriously confused, and that their confusion is a direct consequence of the Soviets’ colossally effective assault on the realms of value and meaning which our civilization holds dear.

What Kirkpatrick saw three decades ago in the Soviets’ ideological war (which Ronald Reagan won) is what Netanyahu sees now in the ideological war the Palestinians are winning. The sin of moral equivalence in the UN — and among ideological leftists such as President Obama — compels the UN and the left to see the Palestinians and the Israelis as equals.

If the Palestinians cannot achieve that equivalence, they cannot isolate and delegitimize Israel. And if they cannot isolate and delegitimize it, they cannot achieve their goal which is to destroy it.

Preceding Netanyahu, Abbas claimed that the Palestinians had adhered to every international standard, to the terms of all their agreements with Israel, and rejected violence and terrorism in all its forms. He claimed, repeatedly, that the Palestinians’ demands were legitimated by many UN resolutions, earning them a “more effective role for the United Nations in working to achieve a just and comprehensive peace in our region that ensures the inalienable, legitimate national rights of the Palestinian people as defined by the resolutions of international legitimacy of the United Nations.”

Let’s remember who the Palestinians are, and who Abbas chooses to ally them with. Only then can their claim to “legitimacy” be judged.

When reports of the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were broadcast that day, Reuters filmed and CNN broadcast Palestinians in East Jerusalem dancing in the streets. The Palestinians tried to suppress the footage and then claimed it was false. It wasn’t .

They have yet to live up to any agreement they’ve made with Israel. And they have always been an anti-democratic terrorist force. Yasser Arafat’s export of Palestinian terrorism to Lebanon first undermined and later destroyed the Lebanese democracy in 1969.

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About the Author

Jed Babbin served as a Deputy Undersecretary of Defense under George H.W. Bush. He is the author of several bestselling books including Inside the Asylum and In the Words of Our Enemies. You can follow him on Twitter @jedbabbin.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (151) |

Drudge Ette Obama| 9.26.11 @ 6:47AM

What is so stinking difficult about the foreign policy path to take? Israel is our friend. The Palestinians are not our friends, really, in their heart of hearts. So why are we surprised when they cheered when the planes hit?

The UN security counsel members aren't our friends, either.

So, foreign policy should stick with the policy of supporting at all costs our friends, with little or no help to nonfriends. People and countries should no without one bit of doubt that if you touch Israel, you'll meet U.S. forces.

Kingofthenet| 9.26.11 @ 11:37AM

If we just dropped support from Israel, we would be much better received by the Muslims and Arabs(and save alot of money to boot)

Stuart Koehl| 9.26.11 @ 1:00PM

A claim that can only be substantiated over the dead bodies of six million Israelis.

W| 9.26.11 @ 1:47PM

King,
How do you know the Muslims would then like us?

Aside from the moral implications of abandoning an ally to amost certain destruction, Don't you think they would then have no respect for us and rightly conclude we are weak and can be intimidated by the price of oil?

This would make the world more dangerous since the radical Muslims then know they can bully us. We have never let any nation intimidate us, why should we start now?

Occam's Tool| 9.26.11 @ 1:42PM

No. We would lose our buffer state and they would be coming after us. King, you are foolish. We are infidels. What exactly did the Israelis have to do with the following: the way our men were treated by Tunisian Arabs in WWII, by the Filipino Moros in 1902-1914, and the Barbary Pirates in the 19th Century---answer: nothing. Islamists are Islamists---assholes.

Kingofthenet| 9.26.11 @ 4:25PM

Israel is likely going to start WWIII, there existence helps us out in exactly ZERO ways. How many Terrorist's making videos saying this bombing or that is for our support of Israel to say, maybe they aren't lying?

The Big E| 9.26.11 @ 5:13PM

So your proposed solution is for 6,000,000 Israelis to go ahead and commit suicide to make it easier on all the rest of us? That is the ultimate solution you're proposing. Those who oppose Israel in the ME do not do so simply because there is no "Palestinian" state - which, by the way, is a lie. When the UN created Israel in 1947, it did so by dividing Palestine into two States - one for Jews, Israel, and one for Palestinian Arabs - Jordan. What the Palestinians want in not merely a state, they want a state that exists where Israel currently exists, with the State of Israel having been extinguished from the face of the earth.

The eradication of Israel has been their position since day one. They have never changed that position. They are not proposing to change it now.

Trish| 9.26.11 @ 11:19PM

Exactly.

Kingofthenet| 9.27.11 @ 12:27AM

KILL ALL THE TROUBLEMAKERS< LET THEM DIE...

Jack in Wi.| 9.26.11 @ 6:56PM

Israel was made by the UN. The same UN resolution called for the creation of Palistine. Israel has stolen a huge part of the land allocated to the native Arabs. The Arabs in Israel were supposed to have all their rights and property respected. Israel has ignored all this for 63 years. It has murdered, maimed,expelled, stolen from, and denied equal rights to the real owners of the place for it's whole existence. It is time that the world brought criminals like Netanyahu, Liebermann, and Barak to justice. Enough is enough. the world is sick of all that the racist entity of Israel stands for.

The only solution from the beginning in Israel Palistine was one, united, secular, country with equal rights for all Arab, Jew, and anyone else. The Jews of South Africa and the USA were the most articulate and forcefull opponents of Apartheid and segregation. It is time to practice what you preach. Integrate Israel Palisitine now, with equal rights for all.

Quartermaster| 9.26.11 @ 8:21PM

The only equal rights the Jews will get is the equality of the grave. While Israel has not been a good ally (they have sold our military technology to the Chinese many times, and we prevented them from selling our AWACs technology only when we discovered it at the last minute), we have no one else in the Levant.

The Arabs have started several wars, and lost them all, including the war in 1948 in which Israel "stole" much of the land allocated to Arabs. When you start a war and lose, then you get what you have coming to you.

The Arabs started the war in 1967, and lost the Golan, west bank, east Jerusalem, and the Sinai. Once more, you start a war and lose, you get what you have coming to you. The Arabs don't like the outcome, and think they should not have to suffer the consequences of their stupidity. Tough noogies.

So tell me, the Bolivians started a war with Chile and lost access to the ocean. The Bolivians have been trying to get back the land they lost in a war they started with those cruel, nasty Chileans. Why aren't you whining for the Bolivians? They have the same grievances the so-called Palestinians have against Israel. so, pray tell, what is the difference (hint: there is no difference except the Israelis are Jews and the Arabs have better PR than the Bolivians).

nister| 9.26.11 @ 8:32PM

Israelis claim they started the Six Day War.

Occam's Tool| 9.28.11 @ 2:59PM

No. Casus Belli was, I believe, the Straits of Tiran? Am I right on this one, Stuart? The Israelis struck after this, after the Egyptians vowed to kill all the Jews in Israel.

In passing, again note who you support, King and Clint: So, an Arab Muslim immigrant to the U.S. openly supports Israel, and gunmen carve a Jewish Star tattoo into his back with a knife. Gee, I wonder what religion they are. No way they’re Muslim, right? (BTW, as you watch the video below, you should probably disregard the reference to FrontPageMag. That hypocritical site continues to pay and employ writers and editors who openly supported the praise of Holocaust-denying Muslim death, rape, and torture threats on my life and my Holocaust survivor grandparents. Remember that whenever you hear David Horowitz decrying Muslim anti-Semitism.)

Yes, this is in the United States of America. Not in Riyadh, Beirut, Paris, or London. But in the U.S.A."

Trish| 9.26.11 @ 11:04PM

There is a difference. The Palestinians are Muslims and their 'religion of peace' demands that they get back any lands that they have ever held...through deception/lies or war. Perhaps they should wake up and realize that the triumph of Israel against insurmountable odds might have divine implications. They are pathetic in so many ways.

Occam's Tool| 9.28.11 @ 3:02PM

Dunno about bad ally---they stole the MiG in the 1960s and shared data with us on the capability of the plane, and much other from an intelligence perspective, while our State Department has been in the sack with the Arabs from the beginning, so things do go both ways, somewhat, quartermaster.

Plus, a sane human might want to immigrate to Israel for the weather and the beach babes and the nightlife, while no one in his right mind would move to an Arab country...

Mike D.| 9.26.11 @ 8:35PM

Yeah, and you believe that? Really, How about a seperate palestinian state old jackie? But that don't work for you does it? Well, lets see, we "integrate"
the jews and palestinians and of course that eliminates the IDF and that nuclear weapons problem for you doesn't it. Only some kind of Anti-semetic nutcase like you promotes that bilge. Of course after the "integration" takes place then the internal terrorism begins against Jews, and then we have the convient "Arab Spring" and full Muslim control and shazaam, we have eliminated YOUR Jewish problem haven't we? "real owners of the place for it's whole existence"
where in the hell does an historical idiot(proven) like you come up with that bilge. Seriously, do you even read your BS before you post it or is it just reflex action at this point. we've seen your "solution" before from cockroaches like you. Seriously its the same BS from you, same lines, same tired rants, same old the worlds hate Isreal. I love forking dillusional people like you, but damnnnnn old jackie really get some knew material, its really getting old. Well I have to tell ya old jackie, Isreal isn't going to lay down its weapons, or its existence and sign some paper putting themselves into the hands of muslim ass kissers like you. At least come up with some new material. Member what i said about predictable?

Trish| 9.26.11 @ 11:15PM

The Palestinians were told to leave Israel by the attacking Arabs in 1948. They were told that the Arabs would wipe out Israel in a few days and then the Pals could come back and have their land plus that land granted to Israel. Unfortunately for them, the Israelis were victorious over the Arabs. Why did the Arabs with all of their oil riches keep the Pals in the squalid camps? Why did the Jordanian king attempt to wipe them out? This current ploy to divide Israel is so obvious. If they attacked Israel when they were at the 1967 borders then, why would it be any different now?It isn't. They announced their intention to have 'their' land Judenrein.

Occam's Tool| 9.27.11 @ 9:49PM

Jack's pals, who will live in a secular democratic society:

"April 12, 2010, - 12:24 pm

Palestinian Muslims Sacrifice Conjoined Twins for Anti-Israel Propaganda
By Debbie Schlussel

The late Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir once said, “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”


Rather Than Accept Jewish Help,

Palestinian Muslims Let Twins Die for Propaganda Against Israel

But, as the latest incident with a pair of now-dead Palestinian conjoined twins shows, it’ll be a cold day in hell before that happens. And the twin girls–Ritaj and Rittal–are yet another example of, “When bad things happen, blame the Jews.”

Palestinian politicians and parents let the conjoined twins die rather than accept offers of help from Israel. The Palestinians, instead, preferred to use these young, innocent babies as yet another disposable prop–another political football–against Israel and the Jewish people.

And to some extent it worked. Associated Press fell for it. But now the twins are dead. Here’s the story: two weeks ago, conjoined twins were born in Gaza. They did not have much chance for survival unless they were separated and treated because they were born suffering from a bacterial chest infection, and their hearts, livers and digestive tracks worked in tandem.

As you may know, Israel has some of the best doctors and most advanced medicine in the world. The Israelis–as is their humane and generous practice with even Islamic terrorists who try to blow them up–offered to treat the twins. If anyone would be able to successfully surgically detach them and/or treat the twins’ condition, it would be the Israelis. But the hatred of Gaza politicians was so great, the offer was quickly and steadfastly refused. Of course, you don’t read about the offer. Instead, AP snorts that the twins were flown to Saudi Arabia, after they “overcame immense obstacles to make it out of the Gaza Strip including an Israeli blockade.” This is a lie. Israel NEVER blocked the twin babies from going anywhere. HAMAS and Fatah did.

And instead of going to Israel for the best possible treatment and the most likely chance for survival, the twins flew to that great medical bastion of . . . Saudi Arabia?! Um, there’s a reason the Saudi princes and sheikhs come to America for medical treatment. Their own native medical facilities stink, and they wouldn’t be caught dead in Israel.

Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah paid for the twins’ operation and chartered a plane to fly them to Riyadh. But that’s not before HAMAS and the Abbas Fatah Palestinian factions fought over the whole thing and delayed the trip. And once they got to the Kingdom, Saudi doctors said the operation would be impossible because they claimed the twins’ organs were too damaged and their health had degenerated to such a critical condition. The twins died there, at the King Abdulaziz Medical City, on Saturday.

Had the Palestinian Muslim parents of the twins loved their kids more than they loved hating Israel, their two kids might be alive and healing today. But this is the kind of people Israel–and all of us–are dealing with. Muslims care more about destroying all that is not Muslim. And they’re willing to sacrifice their own children–like ragdolls to throw in the dumpster–to get it. (And, hey, they were girls, so their lives were even more worthless in the eyes of their barbarian people.)

And you wonder why there is no peace in the Middle East. I don’t wonder. It’s pretty clear why not."

Occam's Tool| 9.28.11 @ 7:14PM

Right, Jack---the Israelis thought it was a good idea to challenge all of their neighbors to armed conflict to capture land, and lose one percent of the population in doing so. Jack, are we evil geniuses or evil idiots---can't tell.

By the way, idiot: Palestine. Learn to flippin' spell, moron.

Occam's Tool| 9.27.11 @ 9:22PM

Well, King, these are YOUR people:

"Search: 10 lashes for Saudi woman who drove
A court in Jiddah (see where that is) sentenced a Saudi woman to 10 lashes after she got behind the wheel of a car, according to Amnesty International. (Find out more about Shariah laws.) The move comes just days after King Abdullah granted women the right to vote and to run in municipal elections. (Find out more about the Women2Drive campaign.)"

This is the 9/27/11 MSN. Not pro-Israel, ya know. But shit stinks.

Tridh| 9.28.11 @ 12:02AM

This is the true face of islam. They spread misery and barbarism wherever they take root. I pity they women who live under the hobnail boot of this cult.

Alan Brooks| 9.26.11 @ 5:33PM

We are always blaming people far away. Jefferson Davis was worse than any of Israel's enemies.

Quartermaster| 9.26.11 @ 8:25PM

Ahh, the eeeeeeeeeeevil Confederates. The Bete noir of the ignorant left. If Lincoln had never been elected, you'd have to invent the Confederacy so you could demonstrate your abysmal ignorance of american history.

From the record, Jeff Davis didn't want secession, and Lincoln's handlers wanted war. Lusted after it, in fact. Jeff Davis simply stepped into Lincoln's trap at Sumter so dishonest Abe could give his backers the war they wanted.

Dan| 9.26.11 @ 9:55PM

You seem to have a soft spot for Jeff Davis and the Confederacy.

Jeamar| 9.26.11 @ 10:19PM

Usually I just glide through your comments but really, What the h---does your remark have to do remotely with the topic under discussion?

Occam's Tool| 9.27.11 @ 9:50PM

I call bullshit on that, Alan.

oldfart| 9.26.11 @ 7:27AM

It think it is time we (the USA) take back our land on the East River and send the UN to Geneva to occupy the buildings of the Former League of Nations. The UN has made itself even less relevant to modern international politics as the League. One then might actually be able to find a parking space in the area.

Then we cut our funding to the UN in half, slash ALL international aid and start over. One would think our government would have discovered a long time ago what most citizens already know – you can't buy friends. It may not balance our budget but it would be a damn good start.

I am not an isolationist BUT the way we spend out money is STUPID. We are being played for a sucker at a poker game where everyone knows the cards are marked, including us, the cards are stacked against us and we keep playing.

DaveD| 9.26.11 @ 12:07PM

I agree. the UN sits on prime real estate. Sell it and get a little something back for decades of this silliness.

Occam's Tool| 9.27.11 @ 9:51PM

We should cut our funding of the UN to 1/2 of the lowest paying member of the Security Council with a veto. Then kick them out to Brussels.

Timothy L. Pennell| 9.26.11 @ 8:02AM

The two writers above me, have got it exactly right. Now, let's combine the two.
Let's GET RID of the UN.
It's not impossible. In fact, it's been done, before.
And, as far as the Israelis and the Palestinians, go?
One of them was Dancing in the streets, and handing out Pastries, when the Twin Towers fell.
The other one ( Israel) was not.
Pretty simple, if you ask me.

Occam's Tool| 9.26.11 @ 1:43PM

The Israelis were lining up to donate blood for the US survivors after 9/11.

spoofproof| 9.26.11 @ 8:20AM

We The People have been hearing and reading reports exactly like this one for more than 40 years and what? The rotten UN still stands; paid for with OUR tax dollars. The UN Building should have been turned into a shopping mall 30 years ago. BTW, for an instructive exercize, check the "moral equivalence" of the UN's Agenda 21

John Navratil| 9.26.11 @ 8:27AM

After the Soviets shot down the Korean Air flight, the Soviets were denied landing rights in the U.S. Charles Lichtenstein (a deputy to Jeanne Kirkpatrick) commented when the Soviets floated the notion of moving the U.N. that "We will put no impediment in your way. The members of the U.S. mission to the United Nations will be down at the dockside waving you a fond farewell as you sail off into the sunset."

Others floated the notion then, we should float the notion now.

Quartermaster| 9.26.11 @ 8:28PM

The easiest way to get the UN to move is simply deliver teh message during the annual addresses that teh US will no longer recognize the UN as a diplomatic station, and there will be no diplomatic immunity for anyone accredited to the UN.

It will be gone in a fortnight.

Ted| 9.26.11 @ 8:37AM

"Almost three decades ago, Kirkpatrick argued with intellectual precision that the Soviets had undermined the semantic rules by which people and their nations had been judged."

We live with the wreckage of these false semantic rules today. The left has been using them continously even though the Soviet Union is no more.

Ariely| 9.26.11 @ 8:41AM

At the top of his 76 age of 76 Ms Abas should know that:
Abraham Lincoln statement is still valid:
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time
Ms Mahmood Abbas speech was a parade of fake claims
A partial list follows:

1: Palestinians want peace:
*From the PLO platform:
"The struggle will not stop until the Zionist entity IS ELIMINATED""
* Palestine Ambassador Abdullah in Lebanon
"The peace talks with Israel are part of ARAB STARTEGY TO ISOLATE ISRAEL and threaten its legitimacy."

2: Israel is responsible to Arabs refugees.

Reality
*Arab League call to Arabs when 7Arab armies attacked the defending Israel:
This will be a war of extermination, a massacre which
WILL BE SPOKEN OF LIKE THE MONGOL MASSACRESS
LEAVE AND STAY IN NEIGHBORING STATES.
Later to RETURN AND OBTAIN JWEISH PROPERTY

3: Palestinians comply to Oslo agreement;
Reality:
*Arafat in many speeches across Muslims worldwide:
"The Oslo Agreement is a Trojan horse;
The Palestinians will come out of the insides of the horse.
We plan to eliminate the state of Israel and establish a pure Palestinian state"

4: Abas complains against the wall:
Reality:
The wall is build to protect Israeli civilians from Arabs terrorism.
The wall was build only following endless terror against Israel civilians in busses- shop malls- streets- weddings and religious events- children on their way to schools!
No terror- no wall!

5: Palestine's didn’t hade Israel partners for peace negotiation:
Reality:
*Failure of Camp David Summit
Clinton blamed Arafat, stating:
"I regret that Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into being
*2000- Taba negotiations Israel made unprecedented offers.
Palestinian response was to open the deadly terror war against Israel civilians
*2009 Israel PM Olmert proposed Abas a detailed peace plan.
Abas promised a reply!
He never returned to peace negotiations

6: Gaza is unjustified attacked by Israelis:
Reality:
Hamas steps when Israel withdraws from Gaza were
*Destroy synagogues and tech vegetable greenhouses left by Israel
*Smuggling arms and fund suicide bombers funded by Arabs&Iran;
* More than 8000 rockets fired against Israel civilians during 6 years
Hamas charter *
The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims kill the Jews

7: Unjust treatment of refugees
Reality:
A:Arabs refugees:
* Are maintained by Arab countries as incitement hubs to divert attention for Arab huge issues and as a tool of distraction of Israel.
* Most of them leave by obeying their leaders call to leave
*UN$ help Arabs refugees is 4 times higher that Marshal aid to Europe
No other refugees worldwide (approximately 100 million since WW2) received a fragment of similar help.
Almost all refugees across the globe are solved except the Palestinians
A: Jews refuges expelled by Arabs are part of Israel building society without UN $help.
:1.000.000 Jews from Arab countries versus 650.000 Arab refugees
Jewish land stolen by Arabs=57000sqkm

Summary:
Mahmoud Abbas habit is to distort the reality in line with Arabs lying to infidels doctrine called : Takyyia
In his doctoral thesis he wrote:
* Nazi Holocaust he called a fantastic lie.
* The Jews killed by the Nazis were victims of a Zionist-Nazi plot.
The same has been said in UN by Iranian president Ahmedinjad.
Many countries walked out UN assembly

Ret. Marine| 9.26.11 @ 8:53AM

The UN, or the United Nithings as I tell it, is nothing but a den of vipers, and anyone with a sense of history, actual history not the rewritten history of these vipers and their cohorts in our Country by our liberal liars calling themselves American's with a small a, knows the first rate lies spewed from this den of vipers. Its not all that surprising to this observer of history that islam, as a whole is the real problem in this den, how many chairs do they hold at present, one is far too many and we all are aware of the strife they continue to create in order to cover up their tradegies in their own Country's.

Yes the United Nithings role in this world has out lived its usefulness, if there really was a role in the first place, we all know it was created by the lefturds when it was popular with FDR, Stalin, etc. etc. it has no purpose in these days and times other than to serve as a reminder of the evil prevelent within our borders. Call me whatever if you insist but, I stopped listening to these vile creatures long time back, are they saying anything new or is it the same old rehashed hatred towards the city of the GOD of Moses, and Jacob, that takes up about 1/16th of the arab landscape. Truth be told, islam and the arabs are decendents of pure evil, nothing has changed, nothing ever will with these people. It has come time to seperate the wheat from the chaft in this world and by that I mean evil vrs good. Afterall, this is what this fight is really about. Is it not?

Israel has the same right to exist as do the Jordanians calling themselves palestinians, I, along with a majority of my fellow Patriots know full well of the circumstances and lies used for far too many years to justify their hatred for the People of the Book, by the sons of anarchy, satan. The time is fast approaching for this issue to have an ending, question is, by whom. We all know how the book ends. Tell the vipers of the United Nithings to go and bark all they want before the moon god allah, it ain't going to help them nonetheleast. Pray for Israel, pray for the lost souls of islam that they see the light before the United Nithings take them down further into the pit known as hell. Semper Fi. Patriots

hardcard| 9.26.11 @ 8:58AM

close the doors at the UN, stop using tax dollars to fund the UN, send all the delegations and it's employees home, deny diplomatic immunity to all. stop the insanity now.

Conservative View| 9.26.11 @ 10:48AM

I can not agree with you more. Why, when our country is so broke, are we spending millions on the UN? If the liberals want a place to cut the budget, it sounds to me like cutting the UN is a great place to start.

Think of it. No more DPL licence plates. Why, send the UN packing and the block party in NYC would be historic.

Get rid of it. It serves no useful purpose now. I recommend that the UN be moved out of the US just as fast as we can. Then we simply ignore any UN resolution. Hey, retired Marine, imagine, no more of our service members being forced to wear those pretty sea foam blue helments ever again. That alone is enough to get me dancing in the streets.

Kingofthenet| 9.26.11 @ 11:34AM

We can get more if we 'defund' Israel.

Kingofthenet| 9.26.11 @ 11:34AM

We can get more if we 'defund' Israel.

loulou| 9.26.11 @ 11:29AM

Defund all our enemies: Pakistan, Egypt, the Palis.

Stuart Koehl| 9.26.11 @ 1:02PM

Actually, it's cheaper to bribe and subvert your enemies than to fight them.

Occam's Tool| 9.26.11 @ 1:44PM

I agree, Stuart, but where the hell is the subversion?

Quartermaster| 9.26.11 @ 8:32PM

FedGov is too incompetent to subvert anything other than the US Constitution. Perfidious Albion used to be quite good at it, until Churchill dissipated the empire in two unnecessary world wars and they ended up with a series of soft headed zeros as PM.

Louis Jenkins| 9.26.11 @ 9:41AM

The cause of the Palestians is now falling on deaf ears. Only the ultra liberals hear their message. They claim they're for peace after every last one of the Zionists are dead. And the UN is about to make them a nation? A nation that's very founding is about hate?

Bruce| 9.26.11 @ 10:12AM

Israel has already stood in Palestine's shoes. They know what it is like to be without a "home country". They know what it is like to be mistreated by the Muslim countries in the Middle East. They know what it is like to have to defend yourself from the enemies who surround you. If a Palestinian state is such a dire need, why doesn't Jordan give up part of their land that was part of the British mandate for a "Palestine"?

Kingofthenet| 9.26.11 @ 11:32AM

So let me get this straight, I take your stuff than say to you, don't look to me to give it back, go to X and ask them for some stuff?

Stuart Koehl| 9.26.11 @ 1:27PM

In 1949, the UN brokered a ceasefire and truce between the warring parties in the Israeli War of Independence. As a result of that negotiation, national boundaries were established for Israel; Jordan annexed the West Bank of the Jordan; and Egypt annexed the Gaza Strip.

Notice anyone missing from this? That's right--the Palestinians! Their good friends the Arabs simply annexed the land that should have gone to them, and in return the Palestinians blamed. . . the Jews! (but of course)! From 1949 to 1967, Egypt and Jordan kept tens of thousands of Palestinian refugees in squalid camps, refusing to assimilate them into their own citizenry.

In 1949, Arab and Islamic states from Morrocco to Iran expelled some 300,000 Jews from their territory; most of these wound up in Israel. Israel, at great expense to itself, clothed, housed, educated and assimilated these people and made them into full citizens of Israel. Today, they constitute a majority of Israeli Jews, and include numerous members of the ruling parties.

If the Arabs had done for the Palestinians what the Israelis did for the Jewish refugees from Arab oppression, there would be no Palestinian crisis today.

RCV| 9.26.11 @ 10:19PM

It's even more sinister than that Stuart. When Jordan annexed the West Bank, it did so with a declaration that Jordan WAS Arab Palestine, a declaration that was ratified by the Palestinian National Assembly. And you're right on target about Israel doing mor for Palestinian refugees than Jordan, Lebanon or Egypt ever did for them.

Occam's Tool| 9.26.11 @ 1:46PM

See Stuart below---The Arabs stole the Palestinian land in 1949.

And, King, if you tell me that you're going to kill me because my land you believe is yours, and you destroy and murder my kin, but I finally beat you...well, nations have been built with far less legitimacy.

Kingofthenet| 9.26.11 @ 4:32PM

So your defense is some Arabs stole the land in 1949? Here is the problem it ain't 1949 and the land isn't in the hands of any Arabs, get it?
You seem to think the war is over, how much Jewish blood for that stolen land are you willing to spill? I am not talking in the past but in the Future, because the Palestinians backs are against the wall, and they will either make a good deal or fight forever. If I were an Israeli I would give them every inch of it, not worth the price.

Quartermaster| 9.26.11 @ 8:38PM

If their backs really are against the wall (and that is highly questionable) then they are the ones that put them there. As Abba Eban put it, they "don't miss an opportunity to miss and opportunity."

Their goal is the destruction of Israel. Period. They have no interest in peace until the last Jew is exterminated, or run out of the Levant. They have proven that over and over. It isn't about the land, it's about Islamic ideology and the Ummah. It is teh same ideology that caused them to fight the Crusaders, and led them to keep going to the Gates of Vienna and Tours.

You can believe what you want, but it is about the contents of the Koran, and it will always be the Koran or the sword.

Occam's Tool| 9.27.11 @ 9:26PM

The Arabs attempted to steal the Jews' land in 1949, and lost. The Palestinians believe that ALL of Israel belongs to them.

Because of people like you, Jews need a sanctuary, because you would not stop a Jewish massacre (review your statements, and tell me where I am wrong. Do you really want me to quiote you on this?). In short, King, I do not trust you with the safety of my children. I view that as the greatest insult I can give a man, by the way, and I am sorry to do it to you, because I do not view you as evil like Clint, but simply misguided and possibly open to reason.

VBMax| 9.26.11 @ 11:12AM

Hopefully, our next president will establish a referendum on the UN so that we the people can decide what to do with it. My opinion is that the majority of Americans would vote to leave. Let the evil ones stew in their own creations. Let those who share our values build a new organization with us.

no name| 9.26.11 @ 11:13AM

Get the US out of the un. Get the un out of theUS. Get oboma out of the Whitehouse.

Kingofthenet| 9.26.11 @ 11:30AM

I guess the 'take-away' is that the Palestinians aren't nice people, so they DESERVE to have their land taken by force by the good(Israel) guys?

oldfart| 9.26.11 @ 12:09PM

Before you open your mouth - study history. The UN authorized the creation of a Jewish state on 29 Nov 1947 with Jerusalem to be under UN control. This was to be effective when the British withdrew. From the beginning and now the Arab states opposed the idea and upon British withdrawal attacked the new Jewish State that was authorized by the UN General Assembly.
The Arabs started the conflict and with the exception of Jordan and later Egypt have been constantly humiliated by the Jewish military.
Now the UN wants to create a state for Arabs just as it do for Jews. But that is not enough for the Arabs they want to destroy another country authorized to exist by the UN.
So who is the real aggressor here? Is Israel calling for the murder of all the Palestinian people? I think not. Is the Palestinian leadership calling for the destruction of Israel? Sure are.

Kingofthenet| 9.26.11 @ 12:17PM

Was it the Palestinians who's armies attacked Israel? Wasn't aware they HAD an army? If it wasn't the Palestinian armies that attacked Israel, why not take land from those who did instead of the innocent Palestinians?Didn't the UN authorize TWO states? If the UN authorized a state for the Jews, I am pretty sure they gave that state boarders, is every Israeli citizen inside those boarders today?

Stuart Koehl| 9.26.11 @ 1:17PM

There actually was an indigenous Palestinian Arab force led by one Fauji al-Khaukji, a brigand. There were also numerous Palestinian Arab irregulars who waged a war of terror against the Jews both before and after the Partition. See, for instance, the Arab pogroms of 1929, and the Arab Insurrection of 1936-39, inspired by Adolph Hitler's good pal, Haj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

As regards the borders established by the Partition Resolution, the Arabs ended up with some lands earmarked for the Jews, and the Jews ended up with some lands earmarked for the Arabs. Neither side would endorse a return to the Partition borders today, because it would involve a massive shift of populations on both sides.

Besides, the principal Palestinian objection to Israel isn't its borders, it's Israel's very existence. Or as the PLA likes to say, "One Palestine, from the River to the Sea". The River is the Jordan; the Sea is the Mediterranean. A quick look at the map shows the main obstacle to achieving their objective.

Occam's Tool| 9.26.11 @ 1:47PM

The Arabs attacked, including Palestinians. They killed 1 percent of Israel's entire population in that war.

Stuart Koehl| 9.26.11 @ 1:29PM

That would be right. The Palestinians are NOT nice people, and are only bothering us today because the world has protected them from the repeated folly of their actions. In any other circumstance, they would have been expelled from their lands entirely and never heard from again.

Who Knows?| 9.26.11 @ 11:55AM

Get out of the UN!

Reality ALWAYS bites---and, bites back

Basic truths, whether known or not, ever lawfully keep things in order---or, chaos!

To wit---there is really no such thing as “hope”.

“Hope is for dopes” was the way it used to be put. With the latest electoral iteration of “hope” by Obama in his “hope and change” advertising slogan, we have the perfect expression of way too many dopes exposing their “inner child”.

While “Obama is the One” is true enough, we each forget that “I am the One” as well---and so, here comes “hope” as a form of seeking, which of course leads to all the depredations we're now suffering.

I hope it doesn’t, or does, rain tomorrow!

Kingofthenet| 9.26.11 @ 12:22PM

Any any Israeli what the TWO BLUE bars on an Israeli flag stand for...The blue horizontal bars at the top and bottom represent the Nile and Euphrates rivers which presumably one day will encompass "Greater Israel".

Stuart Koehl| 9.26.11 @ 1:19PM

You like to make up this stuff as you go along, don't you?

Stuart Koehl| 9.26.11 @ 1:19PM

So, I'm curious--are you as stupid as you appear, or merely malignant?

Kingofthenet| 9.26.11 @ 1:24PM

Stuart, why don't you move to Israel, you love it so much!

Stuart Koehl| 9.26.11 @ 1:30PM

Because I love America more, pudknocker. I think we've pretty much demonstrated that you don't have the intellectual chops for this discussion and are driven principally by anti-semitic animus. In my book, that puts you outside the pale of civilized discourse. Please leave now, and don't come back.

Stuart Koehl| 9.26.11 @ 1:31PM

By the way, all those who belong to a Middle Eastern Church, raise your hand. I've got mine up.

Occam's Tool| 9.26.11 @ 1:50PM

Stuart---you do kick ass on a regular basis, you know that?

Your books are on my reading list for my December cruise with my parents and my sister. To prevent a nervous breakdown, I will be in my cabin or the dining room most of the time. My reward for doing CME (Continuing Medical Education) will be to read chapters from your book on National Security. G-d Bless, Stuart.

W| 9.26.11 @ 2:54PM

Stuart,
Last week I went to a Lebanese Food Fesival at a Lebanese Maronite Catholic Church, does that count!
Excellent comments and informative history, as always.

Kingofthenet| 9.26.11 @ 4:35PM

Bunch of Traitors, like Pollard...Should Hang

VBMax| 9.26.11 @ 3:36PM

King, I lived there for 3 years. I must be the only one who didn't know that the blue bars mean what you say they mean.

Quartermaster| 9.26.11 @ 8:42PM

The Israeli flag is based on the design of the ancient Jewish prayer shawl. Your idea the blue bars are representative of two rivers is demonstration of abysmal ignorance.

Nathan| 9.26.11 @ 1:32PM

When everyone refers to Israel as the only "democracy" in the middle east then they have to expect that they will be held to a higher standard than everyone else. Look at the west bank. When Israel takes homes land on the west bank from law abiding Palestinians and gives it to settlers, some from the United States who have no legal, moral, or ethical claim to it that is not the actions of what we understand a "democracy" should do. Years ago when General Sharon invaded Lebanon and surrounded those two refugee camps and then let the Phalangists murder hundreds if not thousands of innocent refugees while the IDF looked on and did nothing, that is not what a "democracy" does. Not only was Sharon not arrested when he returned to Israel, didn't he become prime minister?

Israel and the American right complains constantly about Hamas. How many of you know that early on Israel supported Hamas, gave them money and recognition. They did so at the time because they thought that they could use a religious movement against the secular PLO. How did that work out for them?

We tend to forget that until recently muslim based terrorism was a rarity. Habash or Hadid, whichever one, was a Christian who became a terrorist when the Israelis with no justification whatsoever took his home and that of his family. He had rights and the Israelis violated them as they routinely do so on the west bank.

Israel is the occupying authority on the west bank and has been for decades. They are primarily responsible for what happens there. Under their rule the west bank should have the best schools, the best medical care, the best of everything in maybe the Arab world. This should be a show case for how to do it right. Why isn't it? Make all the excuses you want but their rule has been less than exemplary.

Peace has to come to the middle east but it won't come until there is recognition that both sides have not been the best here and both sides need to compromise.

And maybe it's time for us to get out of this. What national interest is being served by our presence there?

Occam's Tool| 9.26.11 @ 1:50PM

Stuart---you do kick ass on a regular basis, you know that?

Your books are on my reading list for my December cruise with my parents and my sister. To prevent a nervous breakdown, I will be in my cabin or the dining room most of the time. My reward for doing CME (Continuing Medical Education) will be to read chapters from your book on National Security. G-d Bless, Stuart.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.26.11 @ 2:03PM

Hi Nathan
Your lies no longer hold water. Sorry. Go whine somewhere else please.

Margie| 9.27.11 @ 1:06AM

Neither do your lies, "sir".

Dan| 9.27.11 @ 6:58AM

Margie,
You found your soulmate of hate, Kingofthenet.

Margie| 9.27.11 @ 1:42PM

Take heed to yourself, liar.
No one who practices falsehood is allowed into Heaven.
Your repeated lying here, along with your Catholic pals, Ken, RCV, Joseph, et al is preparing you for an Eternity in Hell:

"But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.21:27.

Dan| 9.27.11 @ 2:51PM

I'm in fine company

Kingofthenet| 9.26.11 @ 4:40PM

Nathan, the truth is MANY Conservatives are Dual-citizenship wielding TRAITORS, they would sell out our secrets in a second to Israel, and try to run there after committing unspeakable crimes in the USA. Israel has NEVER helped the USA, they are a drain on our resources and provoke hatred of us around the world.
P.S. Israel would be ALOT less belligerent if Daddy(USA) wasn't backing them up.

Occam's Tool| 9.27.11 @ 9:43PM

Intelligence data from Istrael has been invaluable to the US. For example, the MiG they stole in the 1960s and shared data on with us. The Israelis are also constantly sharing data on the performance of Russian air systems with the US. The Intelligence data alone has been worth billions.

Then there's the use of Haifa as a US base in the Med. (The Palestinian state would kick us out in a heartbeat)

Then there's the advanced research on trauma of all types, including PTSD. Congressman Gifford's life was saved by an emergency bandage designed in Israel.

Thanks much, King, for playing.

Incidentally, it was hard to tell your posts from the faker's posts. Nobody fakes me. My style is too unique.

Bill A | 9.26.11 @ 1:33PM

Having listened to both Netenyahu's and Obama's
speeches to the UN, I could not help but be struck by the differences. Compare the two speeches and then tell me againjust how brilliant Obama is.
Netanyahu is repectful, firm and direct. Obama is wandering, pointless and glib.

Occam's Tool| 9.26.11 @ 1:51PM

I believe that the Palestinians have the best medical care in the Arab world, since they have access to Israeli hospitals. Education is also better than the Arab world as well. They choose to be scum.

Trish| 9.26.11 @ 10:15PM

Bingo.

Occam's Tool| 9.27.11 @ 9:28PM

Thank you Trish. I will treasure that.

Again, Margie is a wonderful lady as long as you treat her like one. That seems to be simple to me.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.26.11 @ 2:09PM

An excerpt from my political thriller.
www.txbooks.blogspot.com

Part Two
America Alone Said NO!
South Florida, Tuesday, March 1, 2011….. 12:06 PM
“Rush Limbaugh with you, ladies and gentlemen. Without further ado, the speech …live …from the President of the United States…Joe Biden…”
*
“Fellow Americans, in all candor, I must inform you that we are still at war. We have smashed the dictatorship that unleashed nuclear weapons upon our country, but a more insidious enemy is still at our gates.
“I am speaking of course of the Islamists who are determined to bury us under demographics, and under their Sharia Laws.
2
“The Islamists have utilized our western concern for life, to propagate death. They hide behind our freedom of religion commitment in order to propagate a “tyranny of religion”.
“This will not stand!
“I am hereby issuing an executive order. Beginning tomorrow, every non -citizen Muslim will be excused from our country, but without prejudice.
“Each of those persons will be properly compensated for the loss of student tuitions or other financial losses…..but we can no longer afford them in our midst.
“Muslims who are United States citizens will be required to stand by their “Pledge of Allegiance”.
“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
“If a Muslim United States citizen is caught in the process of committing a trespass against their pledge of allegiance, he or she will be immediately detained, without bail, until their case is brought to court.
“Further,
“with the consent of the United States Senate, I will excuse the United Nations headquarters and personnel from our country….and our purse. Though we will remain in the organization, we shall no longer fund it…or any of its disbursements, beyond our proportionate share of basic expenses, where ever it chooses to convene.
“Further,
“I shall ask the U. S. Senate to help form a new organization of “Democratic States”, and will ask the Senate to bar Muslim controlled states from membership due to their overwhelming dismissal of female human beings as merely chattel property ….and female children as merely non-humans to be mutilated and sold into a joyless marriage.
“Finally, fellow citizens, I am moving to secure our borders; all of our borders!"

Mike 3/505| 9.26.11 @ 2:46PM

Ken,

President Biden?!?! I haven't got that far in the book yet. Not sure I can now. Just the thought of "Intellectual Joe" as president is enough to give me nightmares. :-)

Regards,

Mike

Nathan| 9.26.11 @ 2:36PM

Ken:

A question or two for you.

Every non citizen muslim . . . What about resident alien muslims married to American citizens? With American citizen children? The American spouse here, probably female, is confronted with a (A) divorce, or (B) going to a muslim country where her fate is likely not to be best?

Conceded that immigrating to the US is a priviledge not a right, but resident aliens already in the country "probably" "maybe" have unalieable" rights here? (Non resident aliens by definition can be sent home without offending the Constitution. They were by definition going home anyway.)

But resident aliens? Accused/convicted of no crimes? Presumption of innocence? Does the Constitution apply only to Americans? And of course the unalienable rights doctrine is universal right? "All men" as Jefferson put it.

I urge you all to go back and read the 1866 Supreme Court ruling. They were ruling on the actions taken by the Lincoln administration during the Civil War, actions justified by Lincoln and his supporters in the name of "saving the country", "national security" etc. They totally repudiated what Lincoln did and made it clear that war, national security, all that could not be a reason for violating the Constitution. In all cases actions taken in defense of the country had to be consistent with that document. No exceptions. That ruling is as applicable today as it was then.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.26.11 @ 5:36PM

Nathan...heh heh heh...read the book, and weep.
www.txbooks.blogspot.com

Margie| 9.27.11 @ 3:21PM

Read this and weep, liar:

"Everyone transgressing and not abiding
in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.
The one abiding in the doctrine of Christ,
this one has the Father and the Son.
If anyone comes to you and does not
bear this doctrine, do not receive him into
the house, and do not speak a greeting to
him.
For the one speaking a greeting shares
in his evil works." 2 Jn. 1:9-11.

Kingofthenet| 9.26.11 @ 4:42PM

The ONLY good thing is that the Jews are huddling close together, making it ONE weapon of mass destruction, away from solving the problem.

W| 9.26.11 @ 4:47PM

King, get lost.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.26.11 @ 5:39PM

King of asses, I am truly glad I don't know where you live.

Kingofthenet| 9.27.11 @ 12:28AM

Ken, Me and mine would kill ALL you Kike loving ASSHOLES!

RCV| 9.27.11 @ 1:50AM

You are pure scum, sir.

Margie| 9.27.11 @ 2:09AM

As are you, but for another reason, "sir".

Joseph| 9.27.11 @ 6:56AM

Buzz off, MullahMargie

Margie| 9.27.11 @ 1:43PM

After you, punk.

Dan| 9.27.11 @ 3:02PM

Margie is defending her soulmate, Kingofthenet.

Margie| 9.27.11 @ 3:07PM

Liars defend one another, on their way to the Abyss.

Margie| 9.27.11 @ 3:13PM

My comment to Ken the liar had nothing to do with KingoftheNet's comments, liar.

Joseph| 9.27.11 @ 3:07PM

Margie,
Kingof thenet hates Jews and Israel, you hate Catholics. You are both bigots. Both of you should buzz off.

Margie| 9.27.11 @ 3:11PM

Joseph,

You're a liar who takes his stand with other liars against Bible believing Christians.
It is what your Religious Cult has been doing since it began, centuries ago.

Proving yet still that Catholicism isn't Christianity, and that it teaches its dumb sheep to hate anyone who stands on the Words of God.

I hate liars, and so does Christ, which is what you and your Papist pals are.

You FORSAKE the Word of God and replace it with false doctrine.

"Everyone transgressing and not abiding
in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.
The one abiding in the doctrine of Christ,
this one has the Father and the Son.
If anyone comes to you and does not
bear this doctrine, do not receive him into
the house, and do not speak a greeting to
him.
For the one speaking a greeting shares
in his evil works." 2 Jn. 1:9-11.

Dan| 9.27.11 @ 4:45PM

We have Kingofthenet and Margie as Queenofthenet. Perfect pair.

John Navratil| 9.26.11 @ 6:17PM

Kingofthenet,

Perhaps you should join them. Clearly beyond the pale - you should enjoy the origin of that expression.

Mike D.| 9.26.11 @ 6:23PM

Got news for you Jackboot, Yeah, I like the new name BTW. One big WMD into Isreal gets you about 300-800 going outbound. How does that sound?

Trish| 9.26.11 @ 10:52PM

Right on 'target' Mike!

Kingofthenet| 9.27.11 @ 12:33AM

Why do you like YOUR kids dieing for those ASSHOLES!

Occam's Tool| 9.27.11 @ 9:32PM

Mike D, Trish, nice to see ya.

RCV| 9.26.11 @ 10:26PM

You show your rabid antisemitism for all to see in its ugliness. You are despicable, Kingofthenet.

Kingofthenet| 9.27.11 @ 12:31AM

Die, you shitheads, and leave the USA alone, I HATE Israel.

Kingofthenet| 9.27.11 @ 12:34AM

Man, Nothing better on the ASS than two-ply a Koran and a Torah, a sheet of each should do...

Occam's Tool| 9.27.11 @ 9:30PM

The previously noted, "I don't trust you with the safety of my children." Perhaps you are as evil as Clint, King.

King, do you know why you are not at risk of Polio?

John786| 9.26.11 @ 6:38PM

I watched Netanyahu at the UN. Pure unadulterated racist evil. We know that zionist ethnic cleansing and murder is based on biblical fairy tales but to have it spelt out so starkly at the UN left me speachless. What is to be done. At some points the Palestinians have to turn this into a civil rights issue. I have no doubt that the Palestinians will be victorious very soon. Because they have truth on their based on reality and not lies based on biblical fairy tales. The worst zionists are of the christain variety- totally and absolutely racist to the core. And complete loons to boot. Shame they have so much influence in America spreading hate speech everywhere. Palestine must be inevitable even the racist netanahu accepts as much. Next year in Al Quds inshallah.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.26.11 @ 8:20PM

John Muhammed, glad to have your input here.
heh heh heh.

John786| 9.26.11 @ 9:45PM

Ken, ken, ken
I hope we both live to see justice in the holy land. Evening all.

Trish| 9.26.11 @ 10:22PM

Justice as in subjugating women in slavery? Justice as in all of the other throwback totalitarian Muslim run countries? Justice as in the subjugation of the infidel? I will put Israeli justice up against the totalitarian systems the Muslims inflict on the world anyday.

Occam's Tool| 9.28.11 @ 7:17PM

Yes, so do I. When the Palestinians are no longer raping and murdering little girls.

RCV| 9.26.11 @ 10:29PM

It is not God's will, John. Sorry. Although, inasmuch as Jerusalem is and always shall be in Israeli hand, people of all faiths are welcome there. (Unlike Mecca.)

Trish| 9.26.11 @ 10:39PM

Jerusalem was never mentioned in the Koran. Mohammed was never there. The muslim claims of ownership are more of their lies. THATS the truth.

Trish| 9.26.11 @ 10:36PM

What are christAINS? Btw, why are the muslims murdering black muslims in Libya? Why do muslims continue to enslave blacks in Africa? Perhaps the civil rights issue Palestinians need to address are their own abuses wherever they are. My last question is where did you learn to spell? The word is speEchless. As to whether the Palestinians will be victorious, may I remind you of 1948, 1956, 1972, etc, etc, etc??? I wouldn't count on it Mohammed.

Mike D.| 9.26.11 @ 10:59PM

Save your Anti-semetical bilge, you Muslims have killed more muslims than any Infidel or jew has throughout your history. Whats more is that Muslims enjoy it. Saladin never had a big problem icing Muslims to get his way to the top and neither did the Mamelukes who followed in their sweep after. As far as biblical fairy tales go, your adherence to a religion that has some kind of inbred desire to return humanity to the 7th century and treats women like dogs isn't much basis for criticizing anybody elses.

Timothy L. Pennell| 9.26.11 @ 7:07PM

Let's GET RID of the UN.
It's not impossible. In fact, it's been done, before.
And, as far as the Israelis and the Palestinians, go?
One of them was Dancing in the streets, and handing out Pastries, when the Twin Towers fell.
The other one ( Israel) was not.
Pretty simple, if you ask me.

Trish| 9.26.11 @ 10:25PM

Purely simple, unless one is a simpleton ala John786. One culture celebrates death. The other celebrates life.

Trish| 9.26.11 @ 10:26PM

Purely simple, unless one is a simpleton ala John786. One culture celebrates death. The other celebrates life.

Trish| 9.26.11 @ 10:17PM

Jean Kirkpatrick, on of my top five heroes.

Occam's Tool| 9.27.11 @ 9:33PM

We will see justice, John, when your friends stop beheading 3 month olds, which you support. Sheesh.

Occam's Tool| 9.27.11 @ 9:33PM

Trish, my wife is my biggest heroine.

But your doing a damn fine job here, ma'am.

Occam's Tool| 9.27.11 @ 9:44PM

Sorry, "You're doing a damn fine job." Worth correcting, and repeating. Good Night, Trish.

Trish| 9.28.11 @ 12:17AM

Thanks for the kudos Occam. I was evacuated from the London tube on 7/21/05 when the dear young muslim men tried to blow up our train ala their prior successful London attack. I saw the face of hate up close and personal. Their women are enslaved in slave shrouds. They may as well be wearing balls and chains. That is the tip of the iceberg of the darkness spread by this 'religion'. All I can say is thank God for Israel, and may the U.S. stand with her.

Occam's Tool| 9.28.11 @ 3:08PM

Trauma or near escape can do it to you, huh, Trish. My story: when I returned from New Zealand, I had two job offers. The first one I took, before being offered this one, was for a job in Texas, as a psychiatrist, at a Military base in Killeen, Texas, where a certain Nidal Hasan would have been my colleague.

The Angel of Death's touch can sometimes be felt by the living. G-d Bless, dear lady, and I'm glad you were saved. You are absolutely correct.

POST American| 9.26.11 @ 11:16PM

-----------------BOTTOMLESS LINE-------------------

ALAN WATT did the definitive takedown of
Jeanne Kirkpatrick, and her REAL background
as a Globalist and a Communist. CHECK IT OUT.

We ALLL know the UN and Agenda 21 are calling
for world population extermination on a truly
VAST scale over the coming decades.

Agenda 21 has been exposed, and so now hides
behind such labels as 'Smart Future', 'Smart Planning' etc. DON'T be deceived.

"Understand, every one of your leaders who signed the
UN charter back in 1945 pledged
themselves to undermining their own govern-
ments. Evryone of them committed TREASON
in the name of world government."
-ALAN WATT

AGAIN, that would've been 33rd degree Freemason
Harry S. Truman who mandated
the nuclear destruction of Japan's catholic
centers of Nagasaki and Hiroshima --BOTH,
not incidentally, on the 33rd degree.
(NO we are not and have never been catholic)

He later preseided over the betrayal of the
good people of China into the 'EUGENICS
friendly' clutches of the OSS enabled, RIIA
set up, MAO TSE TUNG (---and later
the same bunch, betrayed North Korea into
similarly 'EUGENICS friendly' rulers in
North Korea).

As we can all agree ---we're living with the
'designed' consequences.

AS the REAL nature and agenda of the PRIVATE,
Masonic, corporate USURY and EUGENICS front UN emerges
----WHY is no one taking up the issue of exiting, expelling and dismantling this
horror?

Truly a central issue.

Kingofthenet| 9.27.11 @ 12:30AM

You want to see an Israel MORE than a Texas, a California or a NYC, Die Traitor!

Kingofthenet| 9.27.11 @ 1:18AM

Whoa, I just checked back after being out on the town, I don't know what to say, SOMEONE is using my name to spew HATE. That isn't me, sure I feel the Palestinians are getting a RAW deal, but the answer is good people of both sides coming to an agreement, I REJECT this Anti Semitic and Anti Arab stuff...

Occam's Tool| 9.27.11 @ 9:38PM

Probably Clint, no doubt.

Still, I don't think I would trust you with my children's safety.

Incidentally, given that the Palestinians on the West Bank have more freedom and economic prosperity under Israeli "occupation" than the Hamasites in Gaza, I'm not sure that your view is valid.

The Palestinians have been raised on a Cult of hate, and murder of Jewish infants and THEIR OWN CHILDREN, while their leaders hide. I cannot think, outside of North Korea, of a more pathological society, and liberated North Koreans are grateful, unlike Palestinians.

Trish| 9.28.11 @ 12:20AM

Brillian Occam, particularly your final paragraph.

John| 9.28.11 @ 11:05AM

I don't trust you with our safety since you main concern is Israel.

Occam's Tool| 9.28.11 @ 3:04PM

No, my main concern is the survival of the West, especially that pillar of Western values, the USA. Israel is also on our side on this one, as well. No Arab country or people is, except the Kurds.

John| 9.28.11 @ 4:10PM

My first concern is my country the USA.

Occam's Tool| 9.28.11 @ 7:18PM

John---the West dies, we are all alone, and will die, too. You have no strategic understanding. In short---would we have had an easier time in WWII without the British as allies?

You are a simpleton, like Clint.

John| 9.28.11 @ 8:04PM

You cannot reason so you call names. It is you who are a simpleton because you see everything as what is best for Israel and not for the USA. In some cases our interests are the same but in others not. You cannot make any distinction. Just be honest and say so and stop pretending and calling names. You believe that then just say it.
You are more like Clint than you want to believe. You are obsessed with him. Every comment you make is about him.

Occam's Tool| 9.28.11 @ 7:19PM

I said especially the USA. But I will grieve when France, Germany, and Britain die at your people's hands, John.

John| 9.28.11 @ 9:16PM

My people are Americans. Who are yours.

Occam's Tool| 9.28.11 @ 3:05PM

Thanks Trish. I deeply admire you, too.

charles794| 9.27.11 @ 3:40AM

The institutions we have created to promote common good have become self-serving and are turning against us - the UN, the IMF, the financial institutions, stock exchanges, big governments, large companies, etc. It's time to start weighing the benefits they bring against damages they cause.

D Roamer | 9.28.11 @ 12:31AM

All I observe over the years is the Muslim hate for all infidels and will try to enslave us or kill us at first chance. How do I pick the fly poop out of the pepper, because there are some that are not that barbaric?
What would the dear Golda Meir have about this today?

POST American| 9.28.11 @ 5:24AM

------And speaking of the UN and world EUGENICS -----

WHY's no one on to the Big Farma move
in California that has injections being forced,
door to door, on children?

FURTHER, our sources in Massachusetts
tell us the Romney bunch is pushing for MANDATING
injections ----and even charging
a 1000 dollar a day fine for those who refuse.

And DO CHECK OUT Dr Wakefield and
Dr Cherri Tenpennies exposes of the autism
and injections link.

----------HUAC meets NUREMBERG 2012----------

Occam's Tool| 9.28.11 @ 3:05PM

Wakefield lost his medical license over that hoax.

Occam's Tool| 9.28.11 @ 3:03PM

Yes, it is---Jordan, for one.

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