The American Spectator : Perry's Slide Continues

rssg| 9.23.11 @ 6:14AM

We wouldn't have to debate in-state tuition for illegals if they weren't here in the first place.

The problem is their mere presence.

Enforce the border, enforce immigration laws. Deport by the millions.

Jack in Wi.| 9.23.11 @ 8:55AM

The only one who won this debate was Ron Paul. They refused to ask him many questions. But the ones he did get asked he knocked out of the park. He is by far the most thoughtful and intelligent man to seek the Presidency in my long lifetime.

All the big media is doing by giving so much time to the gold dust twins Romney and Perry is to let them prove how stupid and incompetent they are. If either man would get nominated it would be an electoral disaster for the Republicans. They would just be Herbert Hoover, Alf Landon, Wendell Wilkie, Tom Dewey, the Bush's, McCain and Dole all over again.

Dmac| 9.23.11 @ 5:59PM

The winner last night was Cain or Santorum.

Jack in Wi.| 9.23.11 @ 6:19PM

Cain and Santorum are only on the stage to take up time from the real debate. neither of them has 2 quarters to rub together, or the support of more then a handful of people. Romney has the Mormons and the Eastern banking establishment for him. Perry had the countryclub and neocons for him. They are both abandoning him in droves. Michelle Bachman has some support but has spent most of her money and is falling behind.

That leaves Ron Paul who has been right on economic policy, monetary policy, The FED, foreign policy and prolife issues for decades. He has a huge and committed following of supporters in back of him. They come from the Libertarian and real conservative wings of the Party. They are for America first and foremost. They will no longer go along with Bush or Bush lite. Either we will take over the Party or we will replace it.

chuck| 9.23.11 @ 9:51PM

Paul, excuse me.......DOCTOR Ron Paul, will never, ever be the nominee. You are deluding yourself if you think he will. He might have some good ideas, but he comes across as a nutcase.

Jack in Wi.| 9.24.11 @ 1:03AM

Dr. Paul gets the most applause by far in every debate. He has a huge number of active supporters, far larger then any other candidate. He rasies a lot of money and all the issues are his. Huge majorities by polling want an end to these wars now. They want an end to all foreign aid. They want the FED audited. And they think that the Federal government is out of control. These are all Dr.Paul's signature issues.

Dr, Paul is right up there in the polling against Obama. He polls best by far among the young, Independents, and conservative Democrats. no Republican can win without these people. The braindead Bush Cheney crowd is down to about 20% of the population. Perry and Romney are both imploding. Ron Paul is the only candidate with the natural intelligence and experice to get this country throgh this crisis. The only nutcases are you supporters of such rino's as Perry, Romney, Cain [ Mr. Federal Reserve ], Santoum, [ Mr. Arlen Spector ] or old, fat, flop, Gingrich, ass kisser to power.

chuck| 9.24.11 @ 7:50AM

Ron Paul has the same problem that Newt has, he has no filter between his brain and his mouth. Whatever kooky idea pops in there, out it comes. His comment several debates ago that a border fence would like an awful lot like it was there to keep people in was just freaky loony-tune. We have people just streaming across the borders, and he's concerned that the government is trying to keep people in?
You must be so proud of your Messiah!

Jack in Wi.| 9.24.11 @ 8:20AM

They asked him about comment, in this debate, and he more hit it out of the park. He has the answers on immigation, secure the border, end anchor babies, and cut off all government benefits. among other things. He is thoughtful and consistant. Newt on the other hand is flighty like a bird. He is like the military budget, big, bloated, corrupt, and massively out of control.

Wayne| 9.24.11 @ 11:03AM

Paul's problem is obvious. He is too old. His son would be the better choice. We can not run another old timer against Obama. Obama looks good next to stodgy old white men.

Jack in Wi.| 9.24.11 @ 1:07PM

Obama hasn't got a chance against Dr. Paul. His son Rand will be his running mate. Obama can't think his way out of a paper bag. Dr. Paul is the most intelligent and skillfull debater I have seen in over 60 years of watching politics.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 7:36PM

p.s. Ron Paul is a distant 5th place.

Clint | 9.25.11 @ 10:56AM

Dr.Ron Paul, " I ’ve offered to ride a bicycle for 20 miles in Houston when the temperature is 100° and the humidity is 100% and I will go 20 miles with them and then we’ll decide who’s the youngest."

Dr.Paul Would Have You Suckin' O's , PropagandaBoy Wayne.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 7:35PM

FLASH!
Drudge Reporting Herman Cain wins FL. straw poll!
Go Herman!

http://www.washingtontimes.com.....traw-poll/

Mike D.| 9.24.11 @ 7:57PM

Perry, dead meat.

Clint | 9.25.11 @ 10:47AM

"Ron Paul in third place, polls say

September 20, 2011|By Michael Muskal:

Quietly, and very much under the radar, Ron Paul, the Texas congressman who no pundit believes has a serious chance of winning the Republican presidential nomination, is staging a bit of comeback, returning to his position as a solid No. 3 candidate in the GOP race.

According to the USA Today/Gallup poll released on Tuesday, Paul was at 13%, displacing Rep. Michele Bachmann, who fell to 5% and into a three-way dead heat with former House speaker Newt Gingrich and businessman Herman Cain."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Clint | 9.25.11 @ 10:58AM

" Ron Paul in third place, polls say:

September 20, 2011|By Michael Muskal

Quietly, and very much under the radar, Ron Paul, the Texas congressman who no pundit believes has a serious chance of winning the Republican presidential nomination, is staging a bit of comeback, returning to his position as a solid No. 3 candidate in the GOP race.

According to the USA Today/Gallup poll released on Tuesday, Paul was at 13%, displacing Rep. Michele Bachmann, who fell to 5% and into a three-way dead heat with former House speaker Newt Gingrich and businessman Herman Cain."

Jay| 9.24.11 @ 11:12AM

Definitely, Cain and Santorum won it. I really like Santorum's eagerness for endless war, and Cain’s interest in creating a new 999 tax, without getting rid of any existing taxes is a great move.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 7:34PM

FLASH!
Drudge Reporting Herman Cain wins FL. straw poll!
Go Herman!

http://www.washingtontimes.com.....traw-poll/

chuck| 9.25.11 @ 8:06AM

Jack just said Cain has no support. Cain 37% Paul 10%. Seems like Cain opened up a brand new can of whoop-ass!

HONKIES FOR HERMAN!

Clint | 9.25.11 @ 10:52AM

Associated Press-GfK poll: Ron Paul the most favorable GOP candidate

A new national poll of the general population has revealed that top tier candidate Ron Paul is the most favorable choice in the Republican Presidential nomination race.

Ron Paul 37% favorable vs 36% unfavorable = +1
Mitt Romney 39% favorable vs 41% unfavorable = -2
Rick Perry 33% favorable vs 36% unfavorable = -3
Michele Bachmann 35% favorable vs 43% unfavorable = -8

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Kenny| 9.23.11 @ 10:52AM

"Deport by the millions."

Amen to that. Bro.

USSAlabama| 9.23.11 @ 11:35AM

Who is going to do it? Romney?

When asked a question on obamacare, Romney did not say he would repeal it or get rid of it -- his replies were regarding how he would change it.

Anyone notice? Could we trust Romney with obamacare in place?

Perry is weak on immigration; Romney is weak in healthcare. Two bad places to be weak these days.

Last night Romney and Perry may have held sway as frontrunners, and Rick Santorum moved up to third.

Doctor Right| 9.23.11 @ 12:06PM

You must not have been listening.

Romney said - again - that if elected, one of his first acts as President would be to sign an executive order directing the Secretary of HHS to immediately grant a full waiver to all 50 states on ObamaCare.

USSAlabama| 9.23.11 @ 12:22PM

That is exactly what I did hear.

A waiver is not a repeal of the law.

William| 9.23.11 @ 1:02PM

It's what he could do as President, without having to get a repeal through Congress. It effectively puts the law into suspension.

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 1:46PM

Is not a waiver a simple refutation of duly, maybe stupidly passed legislation? Is this really Constitutional? Wouldn't a sane SCOTUS rule that the Executive Branch cannot unilaterally issue official "Neverminds" to specific uncomfortable legislation? And if one President did issue this waiver, couldn't the next one simply undo it with a stroke of the pen?

This is nothing but Romney campaign malarkey that sounds positively yummy to the non-thinking. To anyone who has given it a minute's thought it is absolutely anathema. Can you imagine Reagan granting waivers?

Romneycare is Mitt's first love and he's only publicly spurning it to get elected...when the romance will come back out of the closet. I thought we got rid of John McCain!

Good grief!

DTOM

Doctor Right| 9.23.11 @ 2:40PM

Disagree completely.

The waiver plan is the best, FIRST step. Romney is not stupid; he won't walk away from a Congressional repeal.

Doctor Right| 9.23.11 @ 2:39PM

THANK YOU!!

Michelle Bachman said at the last debate that a President CANNOT repeal the law with an executive order, and that this beast would have to be "pulled-out by it's roots" in Congress.

That will take time.

While that is happening, Romney's waiver-plan is an excellent idea.

Additionally, all he really needs to do is defund it, and disband the agencies that Obama's people are now putting in place to "manage" ObamaCare.

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

William| 9.23.11 @ 12:59PM

I think you missed Romney's statements on Obamacare.

Alan Brooks| 9.23.11 @ 5:34PM

Romney, too.
I read an interview with Romney last Tuesday: he said if people don't want to vote for him, "that is their right". How kind of Perry.
Only way I'd vote GOP is if Palin and Bachmann run on the same ticket; either one prez,
either one veep.
Otherwise I vote Obama.

Alan Brooks| 9.23.11 @ 5:38PM

how kind of Perry to be such a mediocrity that Romney gains the lead.
With all the good conservatives in America you can't do a bit better? the days of WFB and Goldwater are over.

TrueBlue| 9.24.11 @ 10:41AM

Unfortunately too many people listen to and believe the MSM, too many people are on the federal government's payroll, to easily get a decent candidate. And whoevers idea it was to have primaries in some states be open to the general public was a genious, one more thing to assist the Left in deciding who the Repub candidate is.

Timothy L. Pennell| 9.23.11 @ 6:29AM

Hey. Romney's right. You can educate these kids, but, they must not get "In State " Tuition, any more than someone who lives in another State, would get it.
We got a problem, The horses are outta the Barn.
I agree, that it's not the fault of these kids. But lines have to be drawn.
I agree with the parts of the Dream Act, that allow for Children of Illegals, to become Citizens, if they Serve in the Armed Forces. I would set the duration at 4 Years. If they can DEFEND this Country, then they've EARNED their shot.
The "Going to College" portion of the Dream Act, we can do without. We've got "College Students/Useful Idiots" marching around, outside of the Stock Exchange, on orders from the FAR LEFT, as we speak. Perhaps they could be "Rewarded" with a coupla free nights and meals, on RIKERS ISLAND?
The problems I have with Romney, is that I'm wary of someone who wants to be President, SO BADLY. And I'm not comfortable with the whole - "It's his TURN" - thing.
Romney's got his own problems, and ROMNEY CARE is at the top of the list. I understand what he means, when he says that: "It's a STATE matter." That he wouldn't want it all done from Washington. I GET IT.
I also "GET" that he has a soft spot for MAN MADE Global Warming. And, that's a big problem.
But, I think, on this one, the In State Tuition, he's absolutely right.
It's not about having a HEART.
It's about using your HEAD.

Tea for Two in Texas| 9.23.11 @ 12:56PM

Texas' law requires only 6 mos residency for American out of state-ers to qualify for in-state tuition. It further requires illegals to maintain residency in Texas for 3 (THREE) years prior to admission, PLUS they have to have graduated from a TEXAS high school, AND fill out the ICE paperwork to stay in the USA. That's much more restrictive on illegals than US citizens to attend college. In Texas, they make up less than 1% of the total Texas College/University population as well. These kids are not the problem.

The Clintidote| 9.24.11 @ 1:51PM

Once they're identified as illegal, throw their ass out. Don't screw around with 3-year waits or anything else - throw their criminal illegal ass OUT.

John Daniel| 9.23.11 @ 7:09AM

If Romney's the best the Republicans can do, they richly deserve the title of Stupid Party. We are doomed.

Doctor Right| 9.23.11 @ 7:55AM

I couldn't disagree more.

This is the best roster of candidates the GOP has had this early in a campaign in my lifetime. ALL of them would be far superior to Barack Obama, and probably George W. Bush, too.

4 of them are successful businessmen (Romney, Huntsman, Cain, and Bachman) who understand how the economy works, and 3/4 of them (Romney, Huntsman, and Cain) were HIGHLY successful businessmen.

Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are a tad wacky, but at least we know they have a splod respect for the Cobstitution and the limits of Government power. Both did well last night.

Santorum and Bachman are solid and committed social Conservatives who speak with passion, intelligence, and a command of the issues. Perry us also a solid Conservative, but he leans a bit towards the squishy side (like GW Bush), and that gives me pause.

And Gingrich is an idea-man with a commanding knowledge of the issues, and he's unafraid to speak his mind. He's a bit of a DC-insider, but that's not always a bad thing.

Santorum, Cain, Bachman, and Paul each did well. Johnson had a good debut, and may win over some Libertarian and Conservative voters who are turned off by Paul's supporters, but they are essentially two peas in the same pod. Romney did well, but played a lot of defense.

Perry continues to do poorly in debates, it's just not his forum. His strength lies in smaller, mire personal venues where he can connect with people. Regardless, his stance on illegal immigration is BAD, and it will cost him. I have been a Perry supporter, but the immigration issue is giving ne pause.

And let's not forget Sarah Palin.

So..."Stupid Party"? Not anymore. Even the more moderate candidates on that stage "get it" on economics and job creation, the pivotal issue in 2012.

And besides...the opposing Party is running an utterly incompetent fool as their nominee, abs they know it.

I understand what Michelle Bachman said last night about "Anybody but Obama" being a weak rallying cry, but I also disagree. Yes, I want a solid Cobservative as our nominee, but I strongly believe we MUST defeat Obama, and to that end I will strongly support whomever is selected as the GOP nominee, even Paul or Huntsman.

Drunken Sailor.| 9.23.11 @ 10:24AM

I find myself in agreement with you DR. I like Perry but his stance on the tuition issue and his refusal to say it was a mistake hurt him. I underatand why he is for boots on the ground and not a fence but the tuition thing was wrong.

Of course Romney is smoother in the debates. He has already had a election cycle of practice. Perry needs to learn fast or he is done.

That said I think Herman Cain did very well. No weak answers and a few good points last night. I would not be surprised to see him get a good bounce from this debate and possible even pass Bachmann.
There is no one canidate I agree with 100% but Perry is still one of the top contenders for my vote. I disagree a lot less with him and a leaning his way but it is still early in the cycle. Time will tell if he has what it takes.
Johnson looked and sounded good and I think that may be bad for Paul like you suggested.

Tea for Two in Texas| 9.23.11 @ 12:59PM

Hopefully, you know the "qualification" fine print of the 10 year old Texas In-State tuition law for illegals. 13 other states have the same law, including Utah, Nebraska, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Maryland, New York, etc. and the SCOTUS just upheld California's law last June.

Drunken Sailor.| 9.23.11 @ 1:21PM

Thanks for the info. I did not know that. I still don't quite agree with it but it doesn't seem to be much of a game changer yet.

Tea for Two in Texas| 9.23.11 @ 5:29PM

Hannity just talked to Perry on the radio. Perry's much better when he's candid. He said Texas does not subsidize tuition using taxpayer dollars under Texas' In-State Tuition law. And they don't. We've lived in Texas over 4 decades, btw. Have lived from El Paso to Houston & all places in between. :)

Dan Hirsch| 9.24.11 @ 11:33AM

Tea!

"Texas doesn't subsidize tuition usingtaxpayer dollars." Well where in tarnation does Texas get dollars from then? If I give one customer a discount, i.e. instate tuition, then somewhere I've got to make up that reduced cash inflow. Unless Texas operates its universities at a profit, it has to come from either other students' tuition or endowment income or state coffers. If the universities take a dime of state funding then we can all argue whether the illegal alien's tuition discount comes out of other students' tuitions (taxpayers all) or endowments or state coffers, but it is economic nonsense to say that the taxpayers don't pay the discount. Absolute nonsense.

Unfortunately that reinforces Governor Perry's Gardisil campaign donation issue which I heard him answer as "C'mon, I got millions in campaign donations, what would I do for a measly $5,000?" That did not close out the issue and I never really heard him it. It would have been better for him to have never imposed the mandate in the first place because it still displays a penchant for do-gooderism with taxpayers' money.

I'm not impressed with the Gov's decidedly sloppy handling of these issues. I am still pretty raw from GW Bush's insistence that his was a compassionate conservatism, as I opposed to mine and most others which he plainly implied is uncompassionate.

No, please, not another apologist for pure, plain, Constitutional conservatism.

Please. Sorry Perrisites, but Houston, we've got a problem.

DTOM

PS.

Paging Sarah Palin, Paging Sarah Palin..How much longer do you need to keep your powder dry, ma'am?

Curious in Illinois| 9.23.11 @ 5:05PM

I'm curious what processes other states (like Illinois) have in place to prohibit illegals that have lived within the state for a few years from getting in-state tuition. Anybody know this? I'd be shocked if the state required proof of citizenship.

Tea for Two in Texas| 9.23.11 @ 5:26PM

Illinois is an In-State Tuition for undocumented immigrants also. You'll have to check each State's laws for specifics on residency requirements. In Texas, it's 3 years residency, graduated from a Texas high school, and completed ICE documents for the undocumented. For every other American Citizen in other states, they just have to meet a minimum residency requirement, 6 months in Texas.

Curious in Illinois| 9.23.11 @ 5:36PM

Thanks. I'm not supporting this approach, but I wondered as I watched the debate if an illegal in PA applied to Penn State, and lived in PA for a few years, would they be able to deny in-state tuition? Again, I'm not supporting the approach but I wondered if the same thing that these folks accused Perry of was already going on in their own states.

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 6:18PM

How would any state determine who was or was not resident legally? State residency requirements are mostly very lax. Put a kid in school you become a resident. Get a job, you become a resident. What do the schools require to enroll a student in say first or second grade?

I ask seriously due to lack of knowledge on my part. Cannot the parent just walk in and register the child?

Tina B| 9.24.11 @ 8:39AM

Just as an aside, Al Adab, I have learned more about documenting citizenship in the last 6 weeks than I ever wanted to know. I am one week from retiring from a school district in Florida, and for the first time in 40 years, and I'm turning 62 in October, I need my proof of citizenship to collect my deceased husband's Social Security. And he was born, raised, and never set foot out of America.

I lost my important papers when my hubby went home, and can't find any of them. My parents (European) papers I can find, along with 75 year old school reports and Polish military papers from just after WW II. Just not my stuff.

Sooooo, I got a copy of my British birth certificate, for $40 and a 2 week wait. But my naturalization proof, which I did get along with my passport in 1970 to travel to England, cannot be produced for less than $400 and a 4 month wait to "find my data". I won't collect any of my or my hubby's SS until I have this. But I have NEVER been asked to pruduce it at any other time. I have attended 2 elementary schools, 1 high school, 7 colleges, in either Cali or Florida, and had numerous jobs including one at UCF, and teaching at 1 school. My word on an app was proof enough, all this time.

But now, with money on the line, I must produce these confounded papers that are . . . here somewhere. A decent human being, a woman with the SS in Burmingham, AL, is filing so my pmts will be retro, but, who knew? Citizenship proof, papers I took totally for granted.

I became a Naturalized citizen at age 16 when my parents were sworn in as proud citizens of the USA 6 years before me. I only needed the papers to prove it when I wanted to leave the country to travel. I saw them in my personal papers year after year. But being an "automatic" citizen upon turning 16, I never really thought about them after that. Just checked yes in the box where they asked me the question. and now. . . I pay and wait.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 1:43PM

Tina,

My husband has had to go through this insanity, too. It was because of a law that Bily Boy Clinton changed back when the low life was occupying the people's House.

My husband came to America at the ripe old age of five with his Parents, who waited on a list for ten years to come here, after escaping Nazi Germany to Canada.

All his life he got a driver's license, and worked as a productive citizen. When we moved to western PA a year ago, he suddenly wasn't allowed to get a PA license. Even his Parents CERTIFIED papers, with his NAME WRITTEN ON THEM, red ribbons hanging from them and all, wasn't good enough.

His NJ license ended up expiring and he was without a driver's license for some time.

He is now not considered a citizen of the U.S. He had to go and apply for a "Green Card".
This is outrageous!
We have yet another Leftist punk to thank for this!

He drove to Pittsburgh to speak directly with the offices there several times. And what happened? They gave him the PA license, and then two weeks later, they revoked it, saying somebody made a mistake.

Well, back and forth to Pittsburgh, and the head of Motor Vehicles in our area, and they gave him a TEMPORARY drivers license until he gets his green card. UGH!

But one thing he found out when he talked to a lwayer, and this might be helpful to you as well, you can claim financial hardship and they will wave those fees you mentioned.

Speak to an immigration lawyer on the phone, and they'll direct you.

Best wishes.

Tina B| 9.24.11 @ 3:23PM

Thanks, Margie. I went to INS alias the Dept. of Homeland Security last week and got nowhere. I will call an immigration lawyer on Monday. I am grateful to you. . .again.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 6:06PM

I'm so glad you happened to come here and happened to speak about it.
Jesus takes care of His own, as always!!

John Daniel| 9.23.11 @ 1:15PM

Your analysis that they all "get it" is a bit optimistic. A sound economy if rooted in a culture that appreciates the rule of law - properly understood - and seeks a morally informed happiness. The country clubbers diminish the importance of social issues, but they are fundmentally related. Yes, any Republican is better than the incumbent, but that's hardly the standard we should apply.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 2:44PM

Great comments, Dr. Right! Wonderful, actually.
Well said and I couldn't agree more!!

Emily | 9.23.11 @ 9:48AM

The GOP is doomed because of the shrill reactionery rhetoric of Tea Partiers.

They are an embarrassment, and they, unfortunately, will ensure that Obama is re-elected. Take a look at the GOP contenders! What a pathetic lineup!

Calling Sarah Palin! Sarah Palin--the trashy Sarah Palin! Please step forward and pump up the bizarre hilarity of the GOP runaway circus train.

I'm a Country Club Republican with a little intelligence and class, two characteristics that the Tea Partiers obviously lack.

Drunken Sailor.| 9.23.11 @ 10:25AM

Don't be so hard on yourself. You forgot to add your condescending attitude, your snobbiness, your elitism and arrogance.

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 12:06PM

Well put D:
It is exactly the Country Club, establishmentarian, accomodationist Rockefeller/Romney wing that we Conservatives have been fighting since 1964. That wing of the GOP has opposed Conservatives at every turn. Why for any reason would we now nominate someone to the left of McCain?

Drunken Sailor.| 9.23.11 @ 1:22PM

They need a shot Al. Not from a gun but from a bottle. Maybe it will loosen them up enough to pull that stick out of their ass.

Mimi| 9.23.11 @ 10:39AM

Heh...Rooty-Toot -Toot... Get off your high horse!
THE TEA PARTY IS THE PEOPLE ! They will save the Republican Party and the COUNTRY!

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 1:50PM

No one else can.

No one else should.

No one else will.

Actually, that is our system of self-governance.

Hopefully this is not too surprizing to too many...

Fat chance.

DTOM

Doctor Right| 9.23.11 @ 11:28AM

You're a liberal moron (is that redundant?) trying tio stir-up trouble.

And if you think the Tea Party's rhetoric is "shrill" and "reactionary", then you must think that the US Constitution is also "shrill" and "reactionary."

Please move to Cuba or North Korea. They'll enjoy your big mouth and your dissenting opinions far more than we do.

And it's the DEMS who are headed for a train wreck. If you haven't noticed that, you're also dead stupid.

skip| 9.23.11 @ 11:46AM

Emily

It is difficult to take you seriously at all. Can you name any political figure, in the history of mankind, ever, much less of America, who is more a combination of a shrill reactionary rhetorician, who is more just plain trashy, more bizarre, displaying more of a runaway circus train style of leadership, who is more of an embarrassment, and more pathetic, with less intelligence, and with less class, than Obama?

Seek| 9.23.11 @ 1:45PM

I can think of just one: Sarah Palin.

skip| 9.23.11 @ 8:57PM

Is it Palin because of the massive debt through massive spending strictly intended to purchase votes that wrecked Alaska's finances?

Is it Palin because of the massive regulations mandated through nonrepresentative massive amounts of agencies that wrecked Alaska's businesses?

Is it Palin because of the massive diplomatic blunders that wrecked Alaska's standing among the other states like bowing to other governors and badmouthing her own state's citizens publically when in other states?

Is it Palin because of the massive ignorance that wrecked her credibility not knowing to within 7 how many counties are in her own state or not knowing there is no Nebraskese or Vermontian or Floridic languages?

Is it Palin because of the massive ignorance that wrecked her credibility not knowing how to pronounce her name of her own state by calling it 'Alaka'?

Is it Palin because she took over her state's citizens right to teethcare and mandated when they can brush, controlled how many bristles and bristle spacing per brush, licensed who can do the brushing, regulated when they can brush, dictated how many brushes per tooth are allowed, assigned flossers, appointed toothczars, and promised cavities will be eliminated because of it, with any future tooth matters to be determined after the citizens open and say aah?

Or is it because you share the same combination of qualities I used to describe Obama gleaned from Emily?

SCM| 9.23.11 @ 12:28PM

Yes, Emily, "little" is the proper adjective in your case.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 9.23.11 @ 2:31PM

False advertising. Just another liberal troll. Carry on.

irish19| 9.23.11 @ 5:46PM

"with a little intelligence and class"
Very little it would seem.

Dmac| 9.23.11 @ 6:09PM

Emily,
Which started first, your hatred for your parents, or your hatred for your country? Just wondering because I'm doing a study on mental dis-ordersand have always wondered why book smart white women hate their parents and country so much. Are you ralted to Barry's mother by chance?

dw| 9.23.11 @ 6:10PM

You are a country club troll.

bluecollarbytes| 9.23.11 @ 9:11PM

I hadn't noticed your little class and intelligence. Might you point to it wherever it is?

jolizoom| 9.24.11 @ 1:58AM

I misread the line, "I'm a Country Club Republican with little intelligence and class," and couldn't help but agree.

Tina B| 9.24.11 @ 8:45AM

Gag me with a pitchfork.
"I'm a Country Club Republican (a what?) with a little (yep) intelligence and class (people with class never need to mention that they have class BTW)."

Class just shows, in what you say and how you say it. Many people who post here have wit, wisdom, intelligence and class. I don't know about you, though, Emily.

emilio lizardo, PhD| 9.23.11 @ 9:57AM

Word.Romney couldnt even best pathetic John McCain last go round. Perry was Al Gore's boy in Texas and the only one of the rest of them with any original ideas is Herman Cain. The neocons/Rinos and tea party squirrels have ruined the GOP's chances against the worst president ever. America needs Herman Cain.

Mimi| 9.23.11 @ 10:44AM

And I'm beginning to think thats not a bad idea.
He never appears on the TV that I don't smile!
He is starting to get infectious..full of GOOD-WILL, Happy, One you have respect for!

Dai Alanye | 9.23.11 @ 11:40AM

Are "Emily" and "emilio" the same troll?

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 12:08PM

I'm not sure Emily is not just being facetious. Perhaps she can answer.

emilio lizardo, PhD| 9.23.11 @ 1:38PM

Hardly. And if by "troll" you mean someone who is disgusted by the inept socialist idealogues and government stooges on the left who are destroying the country, and sickened by the republican old guard who got the job started for them, as well as the goosesteppers,serfs and morons arising as a splinter movement under one flag within the party, then I am a troll

dw| 9.23.11 @ 6:18PM

Yes, you are a troll. Your rant is full of counter statements that add up to no meaning.

Paul from SA| 9.23.11 @ 12:30PM

You need to read more and stop reciting Democrat talking points. Please study the Perry/Gore thing before writing.

'Neocons' are a liberal talking point.

Paul from SA| 9.23.11 @ 12:28PM

Romney is obviously the choice of the Republican Establishment, the same people who gave us John McCain. I will not vote for Romney. He is a major liar. Please see Deroy Murdoch's column at NRO from 6/24.

http://www.nationalreview.com/.....oy-murdock

It's devastating. Romney is a major liar.

They are protecting Romney.

There were no questions about his military service. No questions about the Mass. health insurance/medical care problems -- rationing, long wait lines, high cost, gaming the system, loss of doctors, rising emergency rooms visits, etc. Oh, and that mandate thang.

No questions about his religion. I still don't know what a Mormon and why he is not a Christian.

Perry is soooo disappointing. You cannot build a fence in the middle of the Rio Grande or atop mountains. Why won't he say it? Why won't Perry crack down on employers employing illegals?

I don't like Santorum. I've lost respect for Michelle Bachmann. You can criticize each other, but don't use liberal tactics (see KBH).

Newt is terrific on stage, but flawed, and not presidential material. He belongs on stage, not in the Whitehouse.

Herman Cain is my favorite.

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 1:55PM

The Mormon question would come out at 150 decibels the minute, God forbid, Romney clinches the nomination...(as a Republicna, that is.) As would his refusal to refute the odious Romneycare...

He would be John McCainFree, not even "McCainLite." (Sorry, RSM.)

Sheesh...

DTOM

irish19| 9.23.11 @ 5:49PM

Herman Cain would be an excellent choice. The race card would go right out the window. Watching the two of them debate would be wonderful.

shoelessmusic| 9.23.11 @ 7:11AM

With Perry starting to unravel and many of his policy stances most certainly not holding water with true conservative voters like me, it is becoming a foregone conclusion that Sarah Palin must enter this race. If not, then who will take on Romney, who is going to gain on Perry after last night's debate debacle? I do not trust Romney -- he must not be the Republican nominee in 2012.

carnot| 9.23.11 @ 7:45AM

perhaps the challenge is to bend Romney toward more conservative views. lest you forget...every President must have a base to in order to lead. if there is the expected ascendancy of Republicans in the Senate and House in 2012.....Romney....just like Obama.....has to bend to their will. even more so since it will be his party. all depends on what kind of Republican leadership is in the House and Senate. but if the 2012 elections send a clear message on priorities, Romney can be boxed. the first priority is to get rid of Obama so that a true economic recovery can be initiated. then we can worry about the other stuff. Romney is not going to do much in the way of AGW until the economy is righted first....and that is going to take several years. so...and I'm not committed to any candidate yet...I wouldn't stress as much as you might over Romney.

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 1:58PM

We've tried that before-they always springback. Forget about it-we'll be really, deeply disappointed. And his actions would be used to discredit conservatism at every opportunity.

Bending before election, bad plan.

Believing that the candidate will repeat past behaviors, no surprises!

DTOM

Redstateboy| 9.23.11 @ 9:37AM

gimme a break.. Perry's not unravelling. I do believe he's listening to some bananaheads coaching him though. Rick Perry needs to be Rick Perry and Not who his handlers are telling him to be. I like Santorum.. Bachmann did better.. she's hurting herself by droning on and on and on about Perry's vaccination progream (Sheezzsh! Give it a Rest Michele! - we get it! but there was an opt out.) but last night she just touched on it.
Gary Johnson has the best line of the night!! His next door neighbors 2 Dogs have created more shovel ready projects than Obama - hilarious!!
You Cannot ignore Herman Cain.. and Paul says good things - he's just....Eeee.. uh... too out there on other things.. Romney sounds like a nice guy but I don't trust him - sorry.. and Newt is awesome.. Hunstman - I don't trust him at all. Any of them will be better than Hussein.

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 2:00PM

Gary Johnson's great line?

Yes, but he forgot to credit Rush Limbaugh who delivered the same line almost word for word on national radio 8 hours earlier.

Paging Joe Biden.

DTOM

Anommynous| 9.23.11 @ 7:16AM

All the people who don't want to vote for Romney are still going to vote for somebody. Bachmann's star is falling and Perry is stumbling, so who's it going to be? I'm actually seeing more of an opening for Palin now, maybe for the first time, and if her strategy all along was to let the front-runners take each other out before she jumps in, then it's brilliant. However, if she's going to jump in, I would think she has to do it in the next month or she'll start missing actual deadlines.

The more I hear from Herman Cain the more I like him. I can't think of a good reason that he hasn't gained more traction, but maybe if he delivers more solid debate performances then people will start to listen.

carnot| 9.23.11 @ 7:48AM

Palin will never make it over the top. Ideas are one thing...but she just doesn't have the stature. She never strikes one as "presidential". Add to that the character assassination the media has murdered her with since 2008 and I just don't see it happening.

Doctor Right| 9.23.11 @ 8:26AM

Don't let the media pick your candidate.

None of the mud that the scum in the media have thrown at Sarah Palin since 2008 has stuck. In fact, the constant attention has helped her.

She's a lot smarter than people think. And she's playing this nominating process beautifully. Her strategy is obvious:

Let the back-benchers chew each other to pieces, and then announce your candidacy.

By that time, half of the current field will gave dropped out, and the juxtaposition of Palin versus Romney or Perry or Paul will be a stark contrast.

canuckistani| 9.23.11 @ 10:59AM

Sorry DR, all of the mud has stuck.
The biographer had it right: her inability to adapt her rhetoric and modulate her responses to criticism only amplify the key leadership attributes she lacks.
Her willingness to go to DefCon 1 for the smallest of shots is immature, bolsters her critics reps and leaves the viewer completely polarized.

Her hero, Saint Ron had the rhetoric down pat, but his nuance in governing and self-awareness were borne out of experience and perhaps he profited from governing a mixed state to the completion of his term.

If she were to get in the nom process, just watching the grenades being thrown from her camp into Willard's would be amusing, but it would further undermine the chances of BHO being defeated.
He is already on the campaign trail and has begun to frame the narrative while we're still tilting at windmills and fighting old wars. Be wary: booing soldiers and cheering the uninsured are grist for the dem machines.
We do not need to reveal any more of the bagger underbelly this cycle.

Doctor Right| 9.23.11 @ 11:30AM

Oh, the mud "has stuck", huh??

I guess that's why Sarah Palin still out-draws ANY of the current candidates at her public appearances?

You don't like Palin? Whatever...but please, get in touch with reality.

idalily| 9.23.11 @ 11:59AM

Yes, the mud has stuck. Her poll numbers HAVE NOT MOVED. Despite the wishful thinking about her "populist" appeal, it ain't there.

After Perry's poor performance, especially on immigration, I'm leaning toward Cain. I'm even...gulp...considering Newt.

Ack. I can't believe I said that.

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 2:15PM

Isn't Mrs. P now within 5 pts of BHO? Yes.

Ronald Wilson Reagan polled 10 pts below Jimmy Carter in the final national polls in 1980...

Right now we should be focusing on what they are saying and how that squares with what they've done.

Romney: unrepentant on Romneycare, looks very "crony," 59 point plan? what doesn't it do? Too complicated, it'll never fly - designed to be forgotten by electorate. We can handle maybe ten points...

Perry: Compassionate conservative fighting for illegals' in-state tuition, sheepish on Gardisil mandate, yes with an opt out...

Paul: in Congress forever, ain't done nothing so far, (Jaw flapping doesn't count)

Santorum: Lost in his own state, but seems genuinely conservative

Newt: Great ideas, no personal discipline, probably won't get anything done...Newt, sorry, but you are our H&C guy, but at least your ideas might work-BHO's are proven duds.

Bachman: more great ideas, some legislation, pretty feisty, got a little wound up on Perry's Gardisil

Herman Cain: I kind of like him; he's got some sound ideas-would be fun to watch him work over an um-prepared, un TOTUS'ed BHO. Maybe time is on his side. He'd sure let those suffering racial guilt vote against BHO...

Gary Johnson...what ever Limbaugh plagiarist-he hasn't polled above the margin of error yet...

Huntsman...Tried to set up cap and trade carbon emissions system - he's BHO in Republican drag. Why is he on our stage?

Other than that, I have no real opinions on the race to date...

DTOM

Doctor Right| 9.23.11 @ 2:43PM

She's NOT a candidate!!!

Perry was below Romney until he officially announced. And LOTS of people will ditch their preferred candidate IMMEDIATELY in favor of Palin if she jumps in.

And...she will.

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 3:15PM

I'm wichoo on dat...

DTOM

canuckistani| 9.23.11 @ 5:27PM

DR, it's not about liking or disliking a candidate, we've come too far to worry about likeability. I want electability and effectiveness at governing. She possesses neither.

With her skills and vacant record, we would be replacing one reckless novice with another one - this time with a thin skin and axes to grind that have zero to do with the price of milk.

sinanju| 9.23.11 @ 10:53PM

"Inability to modulate her responses to criticism"?

"Willingness to go to DefCon 1 for the smallest of shots"?

You mean that--unlike a proper RINO gentleman-politician--she refuses to just live with that "kick-me" sign the libs try to stick on her? She ain't "establishment". No one ever taught her that Republicans weren't allowed to fight back.

I remember grinding my teeth at the way Dubya spent the latter four years of his administration refusing to defend himself, his policies AND his people from the Left's attacks and mudslinging. Maybe the Bushes thought they were above it all and laying treasure up in heaven but it had a predictably corrosive effect on their allies and on the voters. You don't refute vile criticism and accusations year-after-year and eventually the general public starts to believe it. I also recall El Rushbo's voicing frequent frustration at having to defend him because he wouldn't defend himself. When GWB went on Greta recently and said how proud he was of not hitting back I wanted to gag. Politics ain't a gentleman's pastime. You learn to groin kick and eye gouge or you lose. And furthermore, there's no celestial tablet on which it is chiseled that Republicans have to let Dems and Libs kick them in the 'nads for free. As for Maverick John and his "honorable" campaign... well, let's just not go there.

I imagine you must have gotten the vapors when Sarah and Todd actually went to court, filed charges, and gave testimony against that adorable little scamp who hacked her email account and posted her private correspondence online? Must have shattered your ladylike image of her when she refused to laugh it off, but kindly take notice of the fact that nobody has since repeated that little stunt.

I, for one, find it refreshing to see a Republican "fight like a girl". If Sarah Palin is dumb enough to take the advice of her sworn enemies then she does not deserve to be on the stage.

Doctor Right| 9.23.11 @ 8:03AM

I agree! Herman Cain is looking better each day!

And I think the Democrats would actually fear the specter of a strong, confident, successful, self-made Black man standing across from Obama in a national debate.

Only Herman could look at Obama and say, with all confidence and sincerity "Son, you're in over your head, and you've really screwed thongs up!"

A Cain candidacy would also provide a lot of Black voters an excuse to NOT vote for Obama, and it would prevent the media from using the race card.

I'm fast becoming a Cain-iac!

Stefan Stackhouse| 9.23.11 @ 9:05AM

No, Obama really screwed THINGS up. It was the previous Democratic occupant of the White House that screwed THONGS up!

irish19| 9.23.11 @ 5:56PM

ROTFLMAO!!!

PJ| 9.23.11 @ 9:42AM

I agree w/your reasoning about Cain.

I would also curiously like to see how well the Democratic Party brainwashed the Black-Americans if there is a Black-Democrat vs Black Republican race. Are they going to vote for the easy money or for the morals & long-term economic health?

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 1:52PM

Black, white or green, they will continue to vote for the "easy money".

Redstateboy| 9.23.11 @ 9:45AM

At the First debate Doctor - I kept yelling to my roomy.. "dude?! who's this Herman Cain?!!" (he was tired and preferred to watch something mindless in the other room) He yelled back.. "you don't know Herman Cain!?" He said he's awesome, he sit's in for Neil Bortz from time to time.. and every time I've seen Herman Cain interviewed.. This is an impressive guy. I even wrote a column to the Knoxville News Sentinel about Cain.. stating blacks are gonna have a choice between Das Messiah - who's done Jack for them.. or a Black man who would offer a completely different role model.. Does black America want honest work.. or continued Democrat Party Slavery.

Squint| 9.23.11 @ 11:32AM

Cain would also get the all-important and oft-overlooked Wigger-vote...

RefriedTomatoes| 9.23.11 @ 12:25PM

Me too. What a fascinating racial conundrum he must be creating in the halls of the CBC. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Rev. Al Sharpton comes to curry favor. And Cain's strong support among whites and tea party conservatives is genuine and color blind, because it is plain he has no hidden agenda. When are blacks going to realize that Mr. Cain IS the hope and change they were? This guy might just plow right through all the election rhetoric with his plain, simple and honest message. He just might be interviewing Mitt for V.P., if only, as he said, he'd cut that 59 point clusterf**k economic plan down to a simple 9-9-9.

Seek| 9.23.11 @ 1:48PM

I can count on one hand the number of black voters who would switch to Republican on account of Cain being the nominee. Politics is about hunting where the ducks are. And like it or not, our ducks are white.

Forget about the black vote. In a pinch, they always vote Democratic, even with a black GOP opponent. Or perhaps you've forgotten about Alan Keyes' run for the U.S. Senate in Illinois back in 2004. Oh, yes. His opponent was a guy named Barack Obama. And Obama won by 70%-27%.

Prester John| 9.23.11 @ 2:08PM

Cain is a successful businessman; Keyes, while a passionate and wonderful speaker, was easily depicted as a theocratic lunatic.

If Cain pulled 15% of the black vote BHO is history.

Doctor Right| 9.23.11 @ 2:48PM

If he pulls 5%, Obama is history!

irish19| 9.23.11 @ 6:00PM

I remember that election. Keyes was in effect a carpetbagger imported after the Obama & the media got Ryan's divorce records unsealed in spite of the fact that neither Ryan nor 7 of 9 (aka Jeri Ryan) wanted it done. Keyes had no time to organize a campaign. He might, and I emphasize might, have done well given adequate time.

Dan Hirsch| 9.24.11 @ 11:46AM

And remember the evil crime revealed in those divorce records? He actually asked his wife to go to a gentlemen's (strip) club, and when she refused, he had the nerve to ask again! They apparently never went...The low, dirty bastard!!

Talk about "for the want of a nail, a shoe is lost..."

Thanks to the Chicago Tribune, thanks. A grateful nation owes its deepest gratitude for exposing this veritable mole hill of evil in candidate Ryan's character. How many people have lost their homes, their jobs, their insurance under this little President? You, Chicago Tribune, acted like thugs, bloody damned thugs in that incident.

Thanks! Fie on you!

DTOM

irish19| 9.25.11 @ 12:39AM

Yes, they did. Then they endorsed zero for Prez. They still haven't admitted they made a mistake.
Col. McCormack must still be rolling in his grave.

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 2:23PM

Seek;

Alan Keyes speaks spectacularly well. He's smart and engaging. And one of the worst political candidates I have ever seen. HE lost that Illinois run because he was such an obvious carpetbagger, politically speaking. I still love the guy, though...

Reagan carried Illinois 2X. The Dems in Illinois just raised the state income tax by 67% and they're still broke. If BHO keeps polling as badly as he is, a cagey GOP candidate would spend an inordinate amount of time in Illinois. BHO and his handlers would overreact and look really weak, cause he'd spend time in Illinois-something that he should not have to do....

DTOM

irish19| 9.23.11 @ 6:01PM

Excellent points!

Doctor Right| 9.23.11 @ 2:47PM

Truthfully, I HAVE forgotten about the "black vote", and if I were a GOP candidate, I'd ignore them altogether.

The "black vote" has proven time and time again it's slavish devotion to the Democrat Party...

...and WHAT has it gotten them? ZERO.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 3:42PM

Although... if Herman Cain were to become President, I'd say he would be the first GENUINE black President.
:^).

Seek| 9.23.11 @ 4:41PM

It's gotten blacks a mountain of public benefits and "civil rights" lawsuits. For them, that's a good deal. Meanwhile, we Republicans have been "reaching out" to blacks for more than 40 years ever since Richard Nixon fawned over James Brown, promoted "black capitalism," while his administration instituted affirmative action for the construction industry ("the Philadelphia Plan"), which got the whole diversity ball rolling. Where has it gotten us? Nowhere.

Blacks are Democrats by instinct. They can be counted on to stay that way. Herman Cain is a sharp businessman, but he's not ready for the presidency and his ability to sway blacks is almost nil.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 2:50PM

Dr. Right,

I became a Herman Cain fan the first time I heard him on the radio. That was only a few months ago, and I had never heard of him before that!

It's great when you hear someone for the first time and just know they are wonderful!!

yaye!

Mimi,
Look, a new bumper sticker:

Herman Cain 2012!!!
The Man the Makes You Smile!

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 3:40PM

Drat.
Revise:
Herman Cain 2012~ The Man that Makes You Smile!

chuck| 9.23.11 @ 10:01PM

HONKIES FOR HERMAN! 2012

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 10:43PM

Honky-Tonk Women for Herman Cain 2012!

Not that I am that, but hey!

irish19| 9.25.11 @ 12:40AM

I like it!

Margaret| 9.23.11 @ 7:41PM

Margie honey

You lied. Again.
You said you would leave if I did. I left. I came back and saw you here. Oh my. Why lie.
Nobody likes you.
Nobody likes you.
Please Please LEAVE.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 8:31PM

But you're still here!

Dan| 9.23.11 @ 10:57PM

Hey moron Margie, she is telling you to leave, you said you would, she came back because you keep posting here. Is that too hard for you to understand.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 1:32PM

After you, dannyboy!
LOL.

scotchieguy| 9.23.11 @ 9:56AM

Are you serious about Palin? Imagine her in a bebate w/ Cain? He would destroy her. I think Cain, Newt and Santorum all just blow away the frontrunners, Perry and Romney. Perry really looked flat last night, and that stupid grin has to go. Romney is Romney, another RINO. Sorry, Palin is not the answer. Looks like another election where we hold our noses while voting for repub. candidate.

scotchieguy| 9.23.11 @ 9:57AM

Ooops. I meant 'debate.'

idalily| 9.23.11 @ 12:01PM

Agree totally. But so far, I wouldn't have to hold my nose to vote for Cain.

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 2:25PM

Ever watch any of Sarah's debates?

She smiled at the sitting governor and then pulled his arms off and beat him senseless. She smiled and left the governor mumbling, shaking his head...

Really.

Doctor Right| 9.23.11 @ 2:49PM

I agree. Those who think Palin is a dim-witted shrinking violet don't really know much about her.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 2:52PM

Well, idalily,

If Herman Cain is able to win you over, that's a good sign because it means he can win over lots of others, too!

POST American| 9.23.11 @ 7:38AM

---Capstone Freemason (SUB-Mitt ROME-knee)
meets David Rockefeller/ Globalist front op
(TTT-Rick PAIR--he).

"Understand, before you support, let alone
vote for ANY of these characters you HAVE
TO find out what organizations they belong
to, or have belonged to; who they've taken
money or favors from; what oaths they've
sworn. IF they've sworn allegiance to a
Masonic agenda, or such private organizations
as the CFR or any of the NGOs -they've already
committed to subvert your sovereignty.
They've already betrayed you. They've
already committed and act of TREASON."
-ALAN WATT
(essential onne coverage)

-----AMEN-----

----And BTW, in the matter of Freemasonry
with its deadly doctrines of 'eel-eat--ism'
and 'bennie violence' ----they are known to LIE about their affiliation. IN FACT it's part of the code. Likewise, their code of covering for
fellow Masons at all costs no matter what
they've done, what crimes they've committed.

Anyway, there should be some kind of public
examination, with hand on the Bible (Geneva
version). Somehow, scripture present 'quickens'
the thing --no matter what their particular
professions of belief.

Beyond their occult affiiations, they should
be queried as to blackmail and extortion.

In this age of full-spectrum and unrelenting
geek surveilance we suspect, at this very moment,
the majority of our sitting congress, maybe
right up to Obama himself --are under some kind
of blackmail or compromise.

R Paul| 9.23.11 @ 8:04AM

I could use you in my cabinet. DO you you think they will let you out for a couple of years?? Kucinich is already in and you two would be good together.

Clint.| 9.23.11 @ 8:39AM

Duuuhhh !

"According to U.S. News and World Report, Paul joked about making Kucinich
"Secretary of Peace." He added: "The Department of Peace is what he promotes. The Department of Peace. Believe me there is a lot more prosperity with peace."

When The Hill contacted Paul's campaign about his remarks, a spokesman said the candidate was joking and that Kucinich is too ideologically different from Paul to be a candidate for a Cabinet spot.

"Ron works with Dennis on some coalition issues, and respects him as a thinker, but was joking and would not consider him for Cabinet position. He made clear he did not want to name Cabinet officials," spokesman Jesse Benton told the newspaper."

DIck Nome| 9.23.11 @ 8:42AM

His co-sponsoring a marajuana legalization bill with Bahney Fwank was a joke too just like Rube Paul is. Yeah, sure, it was jsut a joke. Didn't sound like it. BO and Plugs Biden are a couple real jokers too. HA HA

Clint.| 9.23.11 @ 8:48AM

Dr.Ron Paul Moves Up.

" A Suffolk University poll of likely New Hampshire voters found Paul in second place. While former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney maintained a huge lead over all his competitors, Paul was leading the pack of other contenders at 14 percent, with his closest rival, former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman, four points back. "

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

R Paul| 9.23.11 @ 8:57AM

Thanks for your support Clint. I'm considering Huntsman for my VP. We need a real squishy establishment moderate to balance the ticket.

Israel Firster| 9.23.11 @ 9:06AM

We must stop Ron Paul.

He's too American.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 3:46PM

Ron Paul stops himself, no outside help necessary.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.23.11 @ 7:39AM

I was disappointed in Perry's performance last night. He needs to write a paper on his stance for college tuition here.
It is pretty clear to me as a Texan. Witness our legislature's overwhelming vote on the bill. They would have overridden Rick's veto anyway.

We have foreign students in a lot of universities across the country...many of them Muslims.

Rick certainly can't make his case in a one minute blurb with six or seven verbal arrows stuck in him by other candidates.

carnot| 9.23.11 @ 7:50AM

he doesn't look in command of the ideas or himself. he constantly stumbles as though he's searching for the canned response. who wants that in the WH during a time of crisis. he's going through his learning mode just like Romney did in 2008. not very polished at this point.

Tennesseevolunteer| 9.23.11 @ 8:07AM

Ken, I respect your opinion a lot so I have been interested in perry. His response that we dont have a heart if we don't agree with in state tuition for illegal aliens signifies name calling when we don't agree with him.
I have a tremendous respect for Texas and the governor would do well to have that same respect for those of us in flyover country who have shaped our ideas from years in the private sector and a good dos of common sense.
He didn't help himself last night but he has time. He has to think like a President and not as a Governor. Calling us names will get him nowhere.
Best wishes, TV

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.23.11 @ 8:29AM

TVolunteer
Thank you for your kind words. I'm going to go to word and give you our reasoning and copy paste it here in a while.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.23.11 @ 9:16AM

T Volunteer
Just some thoughts from a Texan on immigration. We have a LOT of fine multi-generation citizens of Texas with Hispanic backgrounds. As I have mentioned before, there were several Hispanics that fought INSIDE the Alamo. (to real Texans, that is a passport signed in blood, just like Davy Crocket’s).
A lot of those citizens have nephews and nieces whose parents have NO passports…from anywhere, but who live across the border.
Third, we did no “ethnic cleansing” when we won our independence from Mexico “Tex-Mex” is more than a mix of dishes to us. It is a huge part of our culture. (Well, we did shoot a lot of Comanches.)
Fourth, being a blue eyed Anglo, if I brought MY nephew across to save him from abject poverty…or even having been orphaned, no one would even lift an eyebrow. “Hell, Ken, it’s the Christian thing to do.”
Fifth, I began my “real career” working for a Japanese company. Many of my Japanese co-workers were here on long term “business visas”. Well a poor mixed blood, (Indian/Spanish) laborer doesn’t have the connections or the money to obtain those niceties.
The Japanese were welcomed if they worked for their own company. Gazillions of “undocumented aliens” have THEIR own businesses here. Heh, many of us practice “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”. Heck, my own lawn service may be one of those, and you know, I have NEVER had an Anglo knock on my door and ask me for my landscaping business.
Right or wrong, Volunteer, that is just the real world down here.
I know that Mr. Perry shares a lot of these thoughts…THAT’S WHY he probably believes the Federal government should enforce the borders…ALL the borders, with a workable guest-worker program. Heh, like Gingrich quipped: “Let Fed-Ex handle it.”
Seriously though, I hope you guys can forgive Mr. Perry for having mixed feelings. Hell, he grew up sharecropping a cotton farm. Some of the guys working right along side him in those cotton fields were probably “undocumented”, and chances are, some of them were childhood and lifetime friends.

Stormzeye| 9.23.11 @ 10:12AM

Ken, I appreciate your heartfelt apologia for hard-working illegals. As a Floridian I am well-aware that the millions of acres of landscaping in our state doesn't get cut by Anglos every day. Frankly, though I don't want some tattooed parolee looking in my windows while cutting the hedges. I prefer Guatamalans who want to keep a low profile and are grateful for their jobs. Unfortunately their children end up on the margins and frequently join gangs after becoming infected by the Hip Hop or La Raza culture their marginalization brings them in contact with. Allowing illegals to enter the US is a Devil's Bargain that only sensible LEGAL IMMIGRATION with guest worker provisions for the unskilled and green cards for their educated English-speaking children can solve.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.23.11 @ 10:40AM

Stormzeye
Very well spoken, sir.
This one of those things the ONLY THE FEDERAL government can handle properly.

chuck| 9.24.11 @ 8:13AM

Ken,
I have to agree with you, though I have to admit that in the past, I was one of those "I hate Mexicans, send them all back" people.
As a contractor, I used to hire only American workers. I usually ended up with these guys that would work 3-4 days a week, never really knew if they would show up at all. I had a Mexican come up and ask me for a job a few years ago. I told him that I didn't need anyone. He came back 3 more times over the course of 2 weeks. The final time I was there by myself again, no one else showed up, and he looked at me and said "you're here by yourself, you need help, why won't you hire me?" I didn't have it in me to tell him that I wouldn't hire him because he was Mexican. So he started the next day. One of the nicest, most polite, hardest working men I ever had work for me. Thanked me at the end of the day for the work. Over the next weeks, I hire his cousin, his brother, and some of his friends.
I came to realize that these were good guys, who happen to come from a piss poor, highly corrupt country, who wanted to make a living and support their families. Hell, I would do the same thing if I were in there shoes. It's called doing whatever is necessary to survive. Something that the tough people do in tough times.
I had a young Mexican work for me a few you back. His parents brought him here when he was 1 year old. Grow up here, spoke English and Spanish fluently. Got arrest for something stupid, and got deported to a country that he never remembers being in, and knows no one there. How is this justice?
I can understand Perry's point of view concerning illegal immigration, and I wish this other politician would stop their damned piling on. They need to attack Obama, not each other.

Tina B| 9.24.11 @ 9:04AM

Ken and Chuck, you both speak with elegance and candor on a very touchy subject. I appreciate both your opinions, thanks.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 1:31PM

Ken is a blantant liar, Tina B,
He's reprobate Christians who has undertook to try and destroy me here with lies.
He is unrepentant reprobate Christians who has sold his soul to the Devil.
He lies about me and then asks, "What have I lied about?" He is VILE.
Just so you know, he also claims that Homosexuals are born that way. He rejects the Word of God, therefore that says it is SIN.
He also rejects the Word of God by believing in Darwinism.
He also believes he has "a deal with God" and is "permitted" to use His Name in vain.

He slanders Bible believing Christians for standing on the Words of God and calls them "Bible Idolators."
He is a VILE man!

Dannyboy| 9.24.11 @ 6:07PM

Tina, Margie is trying to recruit you for her one person cult.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 7:27PM

Tina's already a sister in Christ. You don't have to worry about it, DB.
Worry about your own Salvation.
Philip. 2:12.

Tina B| 9.26.11 @ 7:23AM

Amen Margie.

Kingofthenet| 9.25.11 @ 9:03PM

Than GROW some balls, and push for Amnesty and a comprehensive immigration reform bill...

WJ| 9.23.11 @ 8:26AM

As someone who lived in Texas in the last 10 years it is not surprising that Perry is falling apart. His positions on illegal aliens and Gardisil plus his inability to think quickly always stood out.

Nancy in NC| 9.23.11 @ 8:42AM

The problem is not that the illegals get to go to school, is that the people of Texas are supporting the reduced tuition. If I were to send my daughter there (from NC...but she is an American) she would not qualify for in-state tuition rates. That's the rub.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.23.11 @ 9:25AM

Nancy, the last time I checked, North Carolina has some splendid in-state schools. There is no rub.

Please check my rather long post above.

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 12:19PM

Wait, didn't we pick the current guy because "he speaks so well."? How about vetting our candidate based on principle whether they are Demosthenes or not.

Is there any reason to even consider nominating someone who lies to the left of McCain? What would that accomplish?

The "immigration" issue is one that has evolved over the last few years (and still is) as we try to sort out a logical solution to the illegals who are present. Office holders should be viewed on that matter as to how they are developing policy, not on what was fashionable three or four years ago. While we do not want someone who goes with the wind, we do want someone who can develop strong positions based on principle.

W| 9.23.11 @ 1:13PM

Al Adab,
I think Obama's immigration and tax policy is to have open borders so Mexicans, and others, cross the border to work. Then we tax them to fund Social Security and the deficity.

martin j smith| 9.23.11 @ 7:45AM

I did not and do not watch debates. But with that said my take is this: Its not about an individual candidate its about the future of our nation: What kind of governmental system do we want ? That will be the underlying issue for 2012. There are no perfect candidates. However who ever is the winner must be capable of handling the viscious attacks from the LEFT which includes violence,voter fraud and intimidation,smears.lies you name it. So on the one hand if Perry cannot handle the debate process well better we know that now not later.

But, let us make no judgements hastily. Let us take our sweet time and examine EVERY CANDIDATE. I do not trust FOX or any other media outlet to tell us what to think. Voters are best served by being their ownjudges of what they see or hear.

Finally at some point and SOONER RATHER THAN LATER some one better come out and lead this nation against SOCIALISM. The candidate who does this first and effectively might well be the nominee. We are closing in on very desperate times and in this regard we need leadership NOW NOT LATER. So these debates need to produce such a leader.

Tina B| 9.24.11 @ 9:07AM

Martin, you make some excellent points here. But then you often do, thank you.

emo| 9.23.11 @ 7:51AM

I was a Perry supporter, not any more. The guy just is just pathetic plus the fact he is upside down in TX is a very bad sign. Bush never had less than a 60% approval rating in TX.

I frankly dont see any of these candidates beating Obama, even if unemployment is 10%. I want a candidate who is economically conservative (actually cuts real spending levels), doesnt believe in creationism, doesnt drone on about DADT and Gardisil, is articulate, qualified (meaning they have held public office before and didnt quit mid term), and who will crack down on illegal immigration. None of that exists in the present candidates. This is the worst field Ive ever seen in a GOP primary. Huckabee must be kicking himself for not running.

Perry -inarticulate and weak on immigration. Would probably kill the GOP brand once and for all if elected.
Romney-Romneycare. A party serious about repealing the Obamacare abortion, cant nominate they guy who got the whole concept of mandates rolling
Gingrich-Retread with 25% approval rating in the 1990s
Bachman-Shrill social conservative who will lose her House seat in 2012
Santorum-Excellent on foreign policy but shrill social conservative who lost his homestate to a hack by 20 points
Paul-Excellent on economics, disaster on foreign policy and 50% of his supporters are diehard anti-semites and conspiracy kooks
Cain-Every Dem of GOP primary has someone like Cain. Couldnt even win the GA primary for Senate but wants promotion to President
Huntsman-Insult to one's intelligence
Palin-Not running and hopefully wont. Why anyone supports her is beyond me. Unqualified quitter who was the #2 on a losing Presidential ticket. Kinda like running Geraldine Ferraro in 1988. Her supporters remind me of Obamabots. They refer to her simply as....SARAH!!!! Not Gov Palin, not Sarah Palin. Just like black supporters of Obama call him...BARACK, not Barack Obama or Pres Obama. Such behavior reveals a deep emotional and personal attachment to a public figure. Creepy and disquieting. My guess is she is beloved because she was martyred, is good looking and speaks her mind.....None of these are qualifications.

At least history shows when a office holder (in this case Obama) wins an election they shouldnt, but do so because of the opposition's incompetence, the winning party is wiped out in the following election (ie Wilson 1916-1920, PM John Major 1992-97, Gerhard Schroeder 2002-06). The GOP would win 8-10 Senate seats in 2014 (after winning 2-3 in 2012) and 30+ House seats (after losing 15-20 in 2012). Then in 2016, we'd have potential candidates who are smart and qualified like Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, Bob McDonnell, John Kaisch, Bobby Jindal.

PS If the GOP does lose 2012, they will have lost the popular vote in 5/6 last elections. That is as bad as the Dems from 1968-88

Doctor Right| 9.23.11 @ 8:17AM

Utter nonsense.

All if these candidates are qualified to be President, and they would all do a far better job than Obama.

Sorry, but when you refer to someone as a "shrill" social Conservative, the inference is obvious: you don't like social conservatives. And your shallow criticism of Bachman and Palin also indicates that you don't think much of strong, successful women, either (threatened?)

So who would YOU nominate?

This oughta' be good...

emo| 9.23.11 @ 8:29AM

As far as social issues are concerned, I want the Pres to nominate SCOTUS justices who will overturn Roe and uphold DOMA...That's it. Not drone on about Gardisil. The Tea Party as a economically conservative movement has been far far more successful than all the social conservative movements of the past 40 years...combined.

""So who would YOU nominate?"
The point of my post is there isnt anyone in 2012 to nominate who can beat Obama. There are great 2016 candidates out there, but none are ready today.

Nancy in NC| 9.23.11 @ 8:48AM

The way things are going we may be like Greece by 2016...or worse.

What will Obama do with 4 more years? Unless we have a majority in the Senate and house he will be able to pass more of his socialist agenda, including more bureaucrats and more statist control. What's to stop him for appointing himself President for life?

The bar keeps moving further left, and I keep expecting the American people to say "enough already". So far it hasn't happened.

scotchieguy| 9.23.11 @ 10:10AM

You can't be serious about Obama appointing himself President for life. You need to stop reading those strange novels.

RCV| 9.24.11 @ 5:37PM

The nut factor among the far right is high.

Doctor Right| 9.23.11 @ 10:33AM

Again, I disagree.

ALL of the candidates on that stage last night can beat Obama.

And one of them (or Sarah Palin) will do exactly that.

Obama is, electorally speaking, dead-man-teleprompting. Even his Party has grown tired of him.

Unless the economy does a serious upward swing (yeah, right), Obama has NO chance. He cannot run on his record, and the tired, old class-warfare rhetoric will only go so far.

canuckistani| 9.23.11 @ 11:15AM

It is possible, Slick Willie did it - with a third candidate eating the GOP's cake before the party.

The problem the GOP has is that the faux targeting of Obama has revealed their own weaknesses in Congress. Cantor's calling for cuts before disaster relief is beyond the pale, Walsh's ludicrous rhetoric while he is a deadbeat father adds to the narrative, and Bachmann outing herself as a one-note whacko will bring more districts into play. Control of the house, in some respects, is more important than the presidency this cycle, given we have a pres in BHO that has moved strikingly to the right (the old right) during his term. He would be maliable with a strengthened GOP congress calling the shots.

Willard will not repeal Obamacare. He will not enforce DOMA and he will not build a wall along the Rio Grande. Perry won't either. So let's get on with the greater issues of debt and growth positioning, and extracting oursleves from intractable wars.

Squint| 9.23.11 @ 11:36AM

BAD comparison.

Clinton is a liberal, but he's NOT an ideologue. His first, second, and third priorities were keeping himself on AIR FORCE ONE for two terms.

To that end, when he needed to play Mr. Moderate, or even Mr. Conservative, he did.

And let's not forget the impact of the economy, either. Under Clinton's watch, the economy roared. Reasonable folks can disagree on the cause, but the bottom line is that Clinton NEVER ran against 10% unemployment.

Obama is a leftist ideologue with none of Clinton's personal charm, political savvy, or charisma. And he's got an economic mess of his own making to answer for.

Possible? Yes. Likely? No.

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 2:31PM

Mickie, Minnie Mouse, or Goofy could beat BHO with 10% unemployment.

We just need a candidate who can keep up with Mickie, Minnie, and Goofy. Some of these, the fake conservatives, cannot. The others can.

DTOM

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 8:31PM

Mickie, Minnie Mouse or Goofy~ are you running for President, Hirsch-bot?
LOL.

Dan Hirsch| 9.24.11 @ 11:52AM

Margie,

Who is calling who names here?

Is that Christlike?

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 1:25PM

Yes.
Remember what Jesus called the fraudulent Pharisees like yourself?
VIPERS.
Repent.
and... Quit Treading On Me, Punk.

Tina B| 9.24.11 @ 9:09AM

Dead man teleprompting, I love it. We should share that with miss sarandon, I'm sure she'd laugh. Not.

Stefan Stackhouse| 9.23.11 @ 9:16AM

None of them really excite me, although I must say that I at least genuinely LIKE Herman Cain. I don't care what his chances are, he really is a likeable guy. Maybe he would make a great VP pick if his Presidential bid can't take off?

I just can't seem to really warm up to Romney - he seems a little too phony, too much of an opportunist and flip-flopper. On the other hand, his qualifications look pretty good on paper, and he stands steady and is smoothly articulate. I could see him having a real chance of actually taking away one or two of the 14 states that Obama must carry to win. How would Romney govern? I suspect he would put together a very good team; if the GOP quarterbacks lack star power right now, at least there is a very deep and talented bench. I suspect that any Republican president is going to be almost totally preoccupied with economic and fiscal issues for the next four years.

scotchieguy| 9.23.11 @ 10:08AM

Excellent points! I especially agree about your thoughts on Palin, and the "deep emotional personal attachment to a public figure" reference. The same people who melt in front of "SARAH' are the same people who did the same in front of THE ONE. If the republican party truly wants to commit political suicide, then yes, nominate Palin. As a longtime conservative, I would for the first time stay home, or just vote third party. Not a pretty site. Can you imagine, Obama v. Palin in 2012?

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 2:36PM

Staying home is the same as voting for Obama. Staying home on election day is not an option, unless you just want Barryfor 4 more years. Then you can enjoy the fact that you lived through the worst Depression in American history. Won't you be proud!

DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT STAYING HOME IN NOVEMBER 2012.

DTOM

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 2:41PM

And please, "as a longtime conservative" explain all of the non-conservative positions Sarah Palin has supported and espoused that disagree with your "conservatism."

OR are you a misogynist coward? An idiot? Or a troll?

Well, which is it?

Of course, if you can show us a non-conservative position Sarah Palin has taken, then you are not misogynistic, idiotic, or trollish...

Good luck with that.

DTOM

Mimi| 9.23.11 @ 11:10AM

emo....Cheer-up...How on earth did you come up with such negativity...How could you see what we all saw last night and were so excited over the very excellence of ALL these candidates
FROM a NURSE....Go take a long walk in the SUN !!!

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 2:57PM

Mimi,

You are just fabulous.

Mimi| 9.23.11 @ 3:15PM

Thanks Margie so are YOU...Love Ya

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 3:37PM

"..for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came from the Father." Jn. 16:28.

:^).

Margaret| 9.23.11 @ 7:43PM

Margie honey

You're trying too hard to make friends here.
Nobody likes you.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 8:29PM

I don't have to try, nor do I care who DOESN'T like me, Troll.

I have a Saviour Who does.
Now, git along li' doggie, before I git the paddy wagon.
LOL.

Margaret| 9.23.11 @ 8:43PM

Margie honey

I'm the only one who likes you. You are starting to remember....doggie....

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 8:48PM

Why, I figured you to be schitzoid, Troll!
Woof.

Tina B| 9.24.11 @ 9:17AM

I don't know you Margaret, but I do know, because I have read their words, a lot of folks here love Margie, even when they disagree with her. Can you say that, here?

Why do you tell her to go away. It is not your business. I love reading her posts, even when she gets furious. She just pours out her heart, and her faith, for all to see.

Dannyboy| 9.24.11 @ 6:08PM

Name the people who love Margie

Clint.| 9.23.11 @ 7:59AM

Perry appears to be another of The Manipulating Media's Candidates Du Jour.

martin j smith| 9.23.11 @ 8:01AM

Ah, here come du trolls.

Clint.| 9.23.11 @ 8:41AM

Ah, here come da Israel firsters.

Con Chef (NB) | 9.23.11 @ 8:58AM

Here come the web fingered meth heads from Stormfront & Alex Jones.

Israel Firster| 9.23.11 @ 9:10AM

You tell those bad americans, Connie.

Con Chef (NB) | 9.23.11 @ 9:15AM

Neo Nazi loving, "Turner Diaries" reading, Hitler Jugen wannabe Ru Paul fellators are as American as Hanoi Jane Fonda.

Israel Firster| 9.23.11 @ 9:25AM

Good Connie.

Play The Nazi Card.

That'll fix those bad Americans.

Israel Last-er| 9.23.11 @ 11:37AM

I will be voting for Ron Paul.

Only Ron can and will fight ZOG.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.23.11 @ 12:26PM

...Laster...
Paul and you will lose the fight...live long and die with heartburn, (smile).

Tina B| 9.24.11 @ 9:18AM

Why do you bring up Israel here in this thread? And you are a troll, and that IS relevant here.

Tina B| 9.24.11 @ 9:19AM

that last post of mine was for Clint.

Clint | 9.25.11 @ 11:10AM

To Counterpunch The Israel Firster Propagandist,who wouldn't know Real Conservatism,If It Kicked Them In Their Fat Asses, Tiny.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Intelligent Design| 9.23.11 @ 8:07AM

Remember that Texas does not have Perrycare, but MA has Romneycare, the parent of Obamacare. Obama can't win re-election, so those who like Obamacare are shifting to Romney. What we need is the repeal of Obamacare in its entirety, and Perry would champion that.

Con Chef (NB) | 9.23.11 @ 8:18AM

Perry was my guy until last night. Now, I'm convinced Santorum has a shot. And WHEN Newt drops out (he's only staying to shape the debate), he should back Santorum.

Stefan Stackhouse| 9.23.11 @ 9:23AM

Sorry, but with all due respect Santorum - and Bachman - are the type of candidates that will make you feel good about yourself all the way up until election night.

I suggest that everyone imagine election night in Chicago's Grant park, with the huge crowds chanting "Four more years! Four more years!" Burn that image into your consciousness, and keep ever mindful of that as we move forward. I really, truly don't want to see that image as a reality.

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 2:45PM

Stefan,

Now is the correct time for us to be fighting like cats and dogs! The battle scars will heal over before September 2012 and the winner will be way tougher having fought and won. Poor ol' Barry, his short (golf) game will be way better but he'll not have learned the good answers to the hard questions.

Battle on my hearties!

Steel sharpens steel.

Baloney sharpens nothin...

Sharp steel minces baloney...

DTOM

martin j smith| 9.23.11 @ 8:19AM

One point I want to make. Who will be winner of the Presidential dog an pony show run against ?
there should be some question that it will necessarily be Obama.

If perchance there is a primary challenge and Hillary Clinton becomes the Socialist nominee I would say this was pre ordained by an agreement between Obama and Clinton. Be aware of this possibility. Hilary and Obama are intrerchangeable except for raqce and gender.

Con Chef (NB) | 9.23.11 @ 8:30AM

BUT, she's a WHITE woman. I don't think the Dems wanna be seen dumping the first black "president" for ANY white person.

But that's just my opinion...

Tomp| 9.23.11 @ 8:29AM

Romney lost me when he refused to answer the question - is obama a socialist?
I'm afraid he's another McCain. A wuss.

Nancy in NC| 9.23.11 @ 8:40AM

That was a loaded question that the MSM would have had a field day with if he had answered honestly. Many in this country are unable to handle the truth. I think Romney believes Obummer is a socialist, but he was savvy enough to keep that thought to himself.

Romney is far from my ideal candidate, but he would be far better than McCain (I hope).

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 1:23PM

Nancy,
Romney is to the left of McCain. He represents the wing of the GOP that Conservatives have too often follwed to defeat. Why follow them again?

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 2:58PM

Al,

You betcha. The answer to the BHO a socialist question? How about:

"A socialist is somebody who thinks that you should take what people have earned and give it to those haven't, because you think they need it. Another way to say it is: 'Tax the rich!' Is President Obama a socialist? Ask him!"

Not real hard, actually.

The question is an obvious trap and the response to persistent follow up could be, "Sir, my mother told me never to call people names, so I don't. What did your mother tell you about namecalling?"

Mom is always safe. And that's pushback enough to get them to drop it...

DTOM

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 4:58PM

When is your press conference scheduled?

Sharp answers.

Stefan Stackhouse| 9.23.11 @ 9:25AM

No, he's not a socialist. Obama is far to the left of some socialists I know.

Mike D.| 9.23.11 @ 10:10AM

Socialist is just first base in describing the current occupant of the White House.

George S| 9.23.11 @ 9:33AM

You don't touch that question when, as governor, you yourself championed legislation that every citizen is mandated to purchase health insurance.

idalily| 9.23.11 @ 12:05PM

Bingo. And that's why I hate Romney.

Nancy in NC| 9.23.11 @ 8:36AM

I will agree with all those who say that none of these candidates are perfect. However, I will gladly vote for ANY of them before Obama. At least they appear as real Americans that care about this country, and I can't imagine that any of them would apologize for being an American.

Let's face it folks, the perfect candidate doesn't exist, and if he/she did, most are reluctant to jump into the nasty fray of politics. I bet most of you would agree with my conservative stance however (if qualified, which I'm not) I would never enter the race as I would not expose my family and loved ones to the brutality of the MSM. I, like most people, have skeletons in my closet that I would prefer to keep there.

Unfortunately, we expect more of our candidates than we expect of ourselves. We can not expect to find a moral, principled individual to run for President when many (most?) of the American people are not moral or principled.

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 1:28PM

You sound like an honest lady Nancy; I look forward to hearing more from you.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 3:35PM

Honest? Nope.
She cares nothing for the truth, she clacks with a liar named Ken (Old Tex) and joins with him in his lying and slandering.
Honest my rear end, Al Adab, friend of the liar.

Margaret| 9.23.11 @ 7:44PM

Margie honey

Give it up. Nobody likes you. Nobody wants to talk to you.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 8:27PM

How would you know anything, you're a Troll~ a figment of the imagination.
LOL.

RCV| 9.25.11 @ 4:43PM

So now you've decided to heap abuse on Al Adab, who's always treated you kindly, because he chooses to act as a gentleman?

hardcard| 9.23.11 @ 8:42AM

divide and conquer

Bob| 9.23.11 @ 8:48AM

I still want the Jersey Fat Man to enter the race. They will need to shore up the stage because of his weight. But it will be fun to see him flab the rest of these GOP morons right off the stage.

Con Chef (NB) | 9.23.11 @ 8:56AM

Well, they could hire the people who shore up the stage for Angela Davis Jr, aka Ms. Obama. They've had LOTS of practice.

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 1:35PM

I had (thankfully) forgotten Angela Davis. Good analogy.

W| 9.23.11 @ 11:02PM

Al.
A useless piece of trivia for you: Angela's brother, Ben Davis, was a cornerback for the real Cleveland Browns in the late 60's.
I think Angela is a university professor in California.

NJ Kay| 9.23.11 @ 9:17AM

A President Christie would appoint Muslims to the Supreme Court like he did at the state court level.

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 1:38PM

Conservative ones, or liberal ones?

Unlike Soto whatever, they believe in something.

RCV| 9.24.11 @ 5:41PM

Christie's appointment was an excellent one

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 7:23PM

FLASH!!!
Drudge Reporting Herman Cain wins FL. straw poll!
Go Herman!

http://www.washingtontimes.com.....traw-poll/

scotchieguy| 9.23.11 @ 8:42PM

When is the last time we have seen such heft in a president? Taft?

Frankie| 9.23.11 @ 8:56AM

The media, including the increasingly odious Chris Wallace, want Romney as his election would make their job of preserving Obamacare that much easier. Of all the rollbacks that need to occur starting 2012, this is #1. My worries about Perry have been confirmed. I've moved on to Santorum and am waiting for Palin.

Dai Alanye | 9.23.11 @ 12:24PM

Sanrorum was my choice from the start, but he needs one big idea to bring himself out of the pack. Fortunately I know what that idea should be, and I'm waiting for his call.

In the meantime I'm pleased to see Perry failing. He has neither the intellectual heft nor the consistent conservative philosophy this nation needs in leadership.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.23.11 @ 9:27AM

I hope you guys will check my (rather long) reply to Tennessee Volunteer above.
Thank you

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 2:59PM

No thanks, liar.

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 5:44PM

Margie,

C'mon, please. We can do better than Democrat civility, can't we.

DTOM

Margaret| 9.23.11 @ 7:45PM

Margie honey

I know you can't do better. You are what your are.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 8:26PM

So, if you are lying, we can't call you a liar?
Huh, slimeball?

Bob Grant| 9.23.11 @ 9:30AM

As I've stated numerous times about Perry, there's a reason why he chose not to debate his democratic challenger for the governorship last year.

You just saw it last night. He failed miserably and should now bow out before he wastes more money. As a governor in a weak state he performs adequately but his talents end at the Texas border.

His only strengths are his team (his Zero Obama ad was brilliant) and his voice.

Romney performed consistently well again and am open to voting for him.

Cain, Bachman, Santorum, and of course Gingrich were solid.

Weedouts:
Perry - Gone
Huntsman - Gone
Johnson - Even though I love the guy --- gone

Mike Hawk| 9.23.11 @ 10:44AM

So why do we need the primaries and caucuses, it's over.

skip| 9.23.11 @ 12:09PM

The illegal tuition comment by Perry was abysmal.

The boots on the ground comment was terrific. I hate the idea of a fence, an idea evocative of the Berlin Wall. This the United States of America dammit. Patrol the damn border, with shoot to kill orders if need be. Word would spread through every Mexican village but quick if that was the case and most of our new illegal problems disappear.

Perry is not gone. The United States is if a RINO big spender who provided the blueprint for Obamacare is the replacement for four years of the current dithering idiot liar.

It's not as if Perry made any poor comment about any of the other 56 states in the union. Or about an imaginary nonexistent country called Pokiston. Or wanted the boots on the ground to be all corpsmen only. Or suggested we add the Austrian language to election ballots.

Perry does need to improve but fast though. Which is not an insurmountable obstacle. If the coaches who do this are the ones who provided the new ad he could be just fine.

Bob Grant| 9.23.11 @ 1:07PM

I agree in your agreement on Perry's stance on the border. Santorum, Romney, and Huntsman were wrong. It's not feasible nor necessary to have a fence/wall along the entire border. In large population centers, yes, but other areas "boots on the ground" and aerial surveillance are all that's needed. To that I would add providing assistance to land owners along the border and harsher penalties for trespassing into the country.

He's done, however, because people will realize what we Texans have learned long ago about him.

Don't you remember how frustrated you were with Bush because of his verbal mistakes and lack of persuasion skills? ...Of course you do...

Multiply that times 3.

Shill Watch| 9.23.11 @ 5:17PM

RomneyCare. Wow that ability to talk can be quite an advantage. Can Bob talk? Well sure. Look at the the massive grassroots conservative movement in New York. If the President will just keep dissing Israel we can depend on more protest votes by left wing Jewish voter. Thanks for all your good talking Bob. Have you ever noticed that wherever you call home is an unassailable Democratic stronghold. Wow talkers are really something aren't they? More advice Bob please.

Bob Grant| 9.23.11 @ 7:56PM

Ronald Reagan - The Great Communicator - would beg to differ with your sarcasm.

Shill Watch| 9.23.11 @ 8:57PM

There was nothing sarcastic intended. It was straight talk about a so-called conservative celebrity and his insatiable egotism. What a person says is more important than how they say it. Romney falls mighty short by his record. He is typical of Republicans that get elected in weak states. Unfortunately in a weak state he was forced to say things about gun control, abortion, gay marriage, global warming, socialized heat care, you name the leftist fad. I am not comforted by his new need to say different things. What will he say next week or in 2013? He is what a New Yorker feels lucky to get. I don't feel so lucky.

Anthony| 9.23.11 @ 9:41AM

Yikes!!! It appears Mr. Perry has contracted that fatal Texas disease from George Bush, compassionate conservativism.
While there is a sane political strategy for keeping Texas in play for the election, given its electoral votes, I'm not sure this will work.
America is sinking under the weight of misguided governmental policies. Mr. Perry thinks this policy will not capsize the boat..... Wrong!!!

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 4:39PM

Marvin Olaskey( whom I greatly respect) from Baylor coined the phrase. It has haunted the Movement ever since as it seems to suggest that Conservatism is not a compassionate philosophy. I believe it to be inasmuch as the best way for an individual to propser if for him to enjoy Liberty and opportunity.

Sean| 9.23.11 @ 9:47AM

Look Democrat Rick Perry is a Bush clone. He was recruited by Rove to come to the Republican party. His heartless comment was because he has the same mentality as Bush. He is for keeping the illegal aliens here same as Bush was.

Mriordon| 9.23.11 @ 9:52AM

A few thoughts. 1) These media spectaculars are not debates. When you have 9 candidates and 3 moderators all vying for attention in a limited time span you get little of substance. If you're going to pick a candidate based on that forum, go ahead and pick Gingrich. Of course that would mean you'd have to overlook a lot of uncomfortable things in his past. 2) It's easy to say you'd do something different if you've never had to do anything similar. It's kind of like Obama promising to do this and that during the campaign, i.e. Guantanamo, turns out most of these things were a lot harder than they sounded at the time. 3) I admit that I don't watch these extravaganzas, but I do read 50 to 100 articles and editorials every single day. I browse the Spectator, Real Clear Politics, National Review, Townhall, Drudge, Daily Mail and various others. I find the time to do this by not watching television- this is my entertainment. I really do need a life. I would though encourage others to read about what the candidates have done in the past and what various writers are saying about them. Sadly, much of what is written is either outright lies or at best exaggerations, but if you read enough you can figure out the truth. All that being said, I still support Perry and Cain, though I am fairly certain Perry will be ripped to shreds by his own side and Cain will always be an afterthought. The GOP will do what it always does, nominate some rino centrist who will appeal to the vaunted independents, may or may not win the election, and if winning will change nothing- and probably make things worse. (i.e. Bush 1, Dole, Bush 2, McCain)

Stormzeye| 9.23.11 @ 9:55AM

We conservatives must keep in mind that Obama's defeat is more important than the purity of any Republican nominee's credentials. Remember that it's the so-called Independents that determine the outcome of elections and only Romney appeals to that group. That makes him my man.
Perry does not have a nimble mind and is as inarticulate as Bush.
Santorum is humorless, strident and often arch.
Bachmann is a good and sincere woman and that's all.
Cain is genuinely conservative, a patriot and an unsophisticated thinker.
Paul should hook up with Ralph Nader and corner the "crank" vote.
Huntsman is the perfect Independent and seeking the "middle" in times like this makes him dangerous.
Gingrich's brilliance is exceeded only by his ego both of which compromise his judgment. I can't forgive his couch-sitting with the Bitch by the Bay.
Johnson matters not.

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 1:42PM

To replace Obama with an accomodationist GOP President will accomplish nothing. It was, after all, Nixon who gave us EPA and imposed wage and price controls. That wing of the GOP opposes everything the Conservative movement stands for.

If America is doomed to descend into tyranny, it is better that Ceasar be blamed rather than Cato.

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 3:04PM

Al,

You're right, an accomodationist would not accomplish anything, EXCEPT it would stop or slow the leftward avalanche. That'd be thin gruel, but it'd be better than the sharp stick in the eye we've been getting.

There is no staying home in 2012, none. Cannot. Must not. Do not do it. Don't think about it. Don't say it. You're voting against BHO, come Global warming, cap and trade, OBamaCare, TaxtheRich, hell, and high water.

Please!

DTOM

Stormzeye| 9.23.11 @ 3:42PM

Al, you're right about Nixon. You have to remember though that the Congress passes those odious laws, not the President. The Tea Party Movement is the best check we have on a runaway Congress and an accomodative President. No one can do the damage that Obama/Pelosi/Reid have done.

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 4:41PM

Thank you guys:
Oh No, there is no staying home. This is just my pessimistic side counting the cost of a battle that gains no ground.

marie| 9.23.11 @ 10:04AM

I am surprised at the posters' desire to see Palin jump in. Really? We can do so much better. Christie is the far better choice. Palin quitting her job is a big problem. Aside being a quitter, she cut short her executive experience. Also, I know several black people who were going to vote for McCain but didn't because of her.

Re: Perry. The illegal in-state tuition issue is terrible. That said, consider a couple things: 1) Romney will have trouble garnering the votes of conservatives and southerners. That's a fact. Man to man, Perry has many more solid conservative credentials than Romney. The national GOP needs to recognise that Perry's debating skills (or lack of) can be well helped if they coach him. 2) Perry is awesome on the stump and one on one. He also makes killer ads and he will take it to Obama hard and look strong and manly doing so. 3) He is an unapologetic lover of Israel.
Regards,
Marie

loulou| 9.23.11 @ 10:08AM

Christie is a RINO.
He is pro Ground Zero Mosque and appointed a jihadi to the NJ bench.

I know thousands of people who voted for McCain ONLY because of Palin.

Anthony| 9.23.11 @ 2:16PM

loulou,That would include me. It was also the first time I contributed $$ to McLame's campaign.
P.S. Gov. Tony Soprano Christie, " get the hell off the beaches", also refused to join other governors in fighting Obozocare in court.

Bob Grant| 9.23.11 @ 10:27AM

Marie,

With all due respect, it's too late for a debating coach. He chose not to grant a debate to his democratic challenger in last year's Texas governorship race which was smart politically on a state level but wont work in a national race.

Rick Perry obvious lacks debating skills but it goes deeper. He also lacks articulating his message on a consistent basis and relies on poll tested sound bites to get is point across. Does this sound familiar?

One of George W. Bush's negatives were he did not have the ability to persuade people via his verbal skills. Being a smart man he knew this and it - in my opinion - prevented him from moving much of his conservative agenda through congress so he relied too heavily on "compromise".

The same thing happened to Dole and GWB's daddy. The same thing will happen to Perry. It forces you to rely on "compromise" instead of moving boldly.

Reagan did not have this problem because of his ability to persuade.

I do not want to go through another bumbling, inarticulate republican candidate, and for that reason will not support Perry.

W| 9.23.11 @ 11:12PM

I don't believe it is a matter of debating skills although Perry is a poor speaker.

The problem is he doesn't have strong conservative ideas that motivate him to say them forcefully.

The examples you mention, Bush 1, Dole, Bush 2, and I add McCain, were not strong conservatives like Reagan. Reagan was a great speaker but he believed in what he said. Dole was awful. McCain wanted to be liked by the Dems and media, Bush 2 believed in compassionate conservatism, which means he liked spending money just like the Dems but on his projects.

Perry better concentrate on a few simple direct ideas, like cutting taxes, secure the border, repeal Obamacare, and stick to those.

loulou| 9.23.11 @ 10:06AM

Debating skills (that was not a real debate, BTW) have little to do with ones ability to be a good president.

Perry is soft on illegal immigration.
Romney is soft on Obamacare.
Both are unacceptable. They are statists and are not conservative.

Romney seems like he's on speed. I want to scream, SHUT UP! Calm down.

I support Herman Cain. I don't want my candidate chosen by Karl Rove and other GOP establishment elites. It's Romney's turn?? Who cares?

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 3:06PM

loulou,

Right you are - a President doesn't need to debate on a daily basis! But if you can't debate, you'll never have to worry about the rest of the Presidential responsibilities, will you...

DTOM

Citizen Jerry| 9.23.11 @ 10:07AM

PLEASE don't tell me the GOP wizards of smart are trying to foist Willard Romney on us again! That's how we got John McCain and Bob Dull. The candidate they tell us is "electable" usually gets shellacked by the Democrat.

loulou| 9.23.11 @ 10:09AM

Yes, they're doing it again.
Will we ever learn?

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 1:46PM

Not judging by the commentary above. Apparently it is better to follow the establishmentarians to defeat (or slow socialism) rather than face the sad truth. Those who do not stand for something, stand for nothing.

ConantheContrarian| 9.23.11 @ 10:11AM

Are any of the candidates good on immigration? I doubt it. If Perry is going to tell me how heartless I am about in-state tuition for Texas, how will he be in a federal office? He just lost my vote. I will vote for Paul, though even he is a bit wishy-washy.

martin j smith| 9.23.11 @ 10:13AM

Let me tell you all this-while you are focusing on the "debate' and "who won" or whatever I would strongly urge you to follow the moves of the Socialist Party for this reason:
WHOEVER IS OUR CANDIDATE WILL FACE AN ONSLAUGHT THAT HAS YET TO BE SEEN.
THEY WILL STOOP TO THE LOWEST POSSIBLE LEVEL TO KEEP POWER

And it might not be Obama. White,black shmuch, schmack to the Socialists no one matters really its only about race if you are a Conservaative. For them, any piece of meat is fine. That is why our side must be prepared for ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING and these debates do not even go near that aspect.

Violence, voter fraud and intimidation,smears
lies etc.
Whoever is the nominee has to be able to deal with that. If that person cannot deal with these dog and pony shows then that is a serious problem
regardless of their other attributes.

F
or me the winner ( but I will vote against the Socialists no matter what ) will be that person who with facts shows the American people hope for a better future and pushes back against Socialist propaganda such as class warfare and appeasemet.

no name| 9.23.11 @ 10:31AM

What if I bring my college age kids down to Texas from Indiana thru no fault of their own, will they be entitled to in-state-tuition? If not, why not? Would it be because of the color of their skin? How about Nationality? Maybe only foreigners need apply??? How about the perception that the 12% hispanic vote counts more than the almost 70% white vote? Better do the math again Perry.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 9.23.11 @ 10:33AM

As much as I like Perry, and as much as I understand the point he's trying to make on things like Social Security and Illegal Immigration, he sure does a poor job of articulating it. Even though he can't explain it, I know what he means.

That being said, I'm in the camp that thinks thats awfully risky to send a man who is unprepared for debate against the Great Liar.

I don't trust Romney. It's down to Herman Cain and NEWT for me. Newt has a better command of the issues than anyone.

P.S. Hi Everybody! Been a long time! I've been reading, just not much time for commenting lately.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 9.23.11 @ 10:34AM

P.S.S. I would vote for the Hamburglar against Obama.

Citizen Jerry| 9.23.11 @ 11:14AM

So would I, but only if Elmer Fudd decides not to run.

Marie| 9.23.11 @ 10:34AM

I have a question re: Romneycare.

Was anyone else struck by Romney saying that 92% of Mass. citizens had health insurance and that they 'had' to find a solution for the 8% uninsured?? How crazy is that? Why transform an entire system for 8% of the citizens. Someone really should have asked him that last night.

Stormzeye| 9.23.11 @ 3:45PM

Massachusetts is governed by a Liberal House and a Liberal Senate. Romney did the best he could against that collection of Progressive Statists. His veto would have been overridden. All he could do is compromise.

Keith D. Rodebush | 9.23.11 @ 10:40AM

Please think this all the way through. First as to 'the people were for it.' If you ask the people if they want free money they'll say yes too. Is that a good policy for the state?
Second, we must realize that there are always people hurt in every political decision. In this case, good citizens with good records get turned away from Texas colleges everyday. For every ILLEGAL immigrant that gets into a state college there is a LEGAL citizen who does NOT. All children of criminals get hurt. We cannot salve the wound of every criminals child.
Third, the real issue is the colleges don't want to check immigration status. With in state tuition, voila! all they need is a Texas address and they don't care if you're an ILLEGAL or not.
Finally, giving benefits to ILLEGAL immigrants encourages more ILLEGAL immigration period. Cut off the health care, Lone Star cards, employment and education and they will go home. For every ILLEGAL immigrant that gets any benefit, there is a LEGAL immigrant or citizen who does NOT get the benefit. There are limited resources and no one can argue against this logic. Someone always gets hurt. The only question is are you for hurting the ILLEGAL immigrant or the LEGAL citizen or immigrant?

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.23.11 @ 11:01AM

Keith.....PURE BS...A STRAWMAN!
There are ALWAYS plenty of unoccupied seats in our Texas university system.
(I can prove it, bozo, but you are not worth doing so.)
You remind me of the Colorado transplants who want to "shut the doors.....right behind me."

By the Grace of God you were born here?

I will re-post my post above:
T Volunteer
Just some thoughts from a Texan on immigration. We have a LOT of fine multi-generation citizens of Texas with Hispanic backgrounds. As I have mentioned before, there were several Hispanics that fought INSIDE the Alamo. (to real Texans, that is a passport signed in blood, just like Davy Crocket’s).
A lot of those citizens have nephews and nieces whose parents have NO passports…from anywhere, but who live across the border.
Third, we did no “ethnic cleansing” when we won our independence from Mexico “Tex-Mex” is more than a mix of dishes to us. It is a huge part of our culture. (Well, we did shoot a lot of Comanches.)
Fourth, being a blue eyed Anglo, if I brought MY nephew across to save him from abject poverty…or even having been orphaned, no one would even lift an eyebrow. “Hell, Ken, it’s the Christian thing to do.”
Fifth, I began my “real career” working for a Japanese company. Many of my Japanese co-workers were here on long term “business visas”. Well a poor mixed blood, (Indian/Spanish) laborer doesn’t have the connections or the money to obtain those niceties.
The Japanese were welcomed if they worked for their own company. Gazillions of “undocumented aliens” have THEIR own businesses here. Heh, many of us practice “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”. Heck, my own lawn service may be one of those, and you know, I have NEVER had an Anglo knock on my door and ask me for my landscaping business.
Right or wrong, Volunteer, that is just the real world down here.
I know that Mr. Perry shares a lot of these thoughts…THAT’S WHY he probably believes the Federal government should enforce the borders…ALL the borders, with a workable guest-worker program. Heh, like Gingrich quipped: “Let Fed-Ex handle it.”
Seriously though, I hope you guys can forgive Mr. Perry for having mixed feelings. Hell, he grew up sharecropping a cotton farm. Some of the guys working right along side him in those cotton fields were probably “undocumented”, and chances are, some of them were childhood and lifetime friends.

RCV| 9.23.11 @ 12:53PM

As an outsider to the nomination fight, my perspective is that Perry is the only GOP candidate who seems to realize that there is a general election beyond the GOP nomination process. I still believe that he has his eye firmly on the end game, and that a Perry-Rubio ticket would be Obama's biggest nightmare. Just my two cents.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.23.11 @ 1:14PM

RCV,
you knothead; every once in a while you exhibit true brilliance here.
Please,
get back on the light side of the "force". (smile).

I still hold my "hole card". Check out my last blog.
www.txbooks.blogspot.com

RCV| 9.23.11 @ 2:19PM

Thanks, Ken. Hope you're well.

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 5:03PM

Gentlemen:
You prove that it is possible to disagree yet treat each other (on occasion) with civility. Well played.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 5:22PM

And "playing" it is.

RCV| 9.23.11 @ 5:35PM

Thanks, Al Adab. You're always a gentleman yourself.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 8:46PM

Kiss, kiss.
Fake phony frauds.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 1:23PM

Al Adab calls liars gentlemen!

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 3:01PM

There is no "force", only God.
And he doesn't approve of liars.

RCV promoting Perry? Veeerrry interestink.
Why would an Obama suck-up (oooh, I said a bad word) do that?

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 3:11PM

Margie, Margie,

Have you quit sparing us already?

Play nice and we can all talk, please.

DTOM

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 3:26PM

Begin with yourself, Hirsch.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 3:33PM

P.S. Quit behaving like a liberal and deal with the truth in what I said instead for once.

Eh?

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.23.11 @ 5:31PM

Margie,
may Jesus bless your heart.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 8:22PM

Another phony patronizer Papist liar. When will you repent of your slandering?

Despicable man.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 8:25PM

P.S. Liar Ken:

"Their throat is an open grave, they use their tongues to deceive." "The venom of asps is under their lips." Rom. 3:13.

You can't fool Jesus.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 1:22PM

I don't see any repentance from you yet, Ken, concerning the lying.

Dan Hirsch| 9.23.11 @ 5:50PM

Margie,

Is that how your mother taught you to behave?

I have been very careful to refrain from saying anything about you, Margie. All I have done is ask you questions, hoping that you yourself might see ways to become even more Christlike. That is your intention, isn't it? Or have I misunderstood you?

Praying for you,

DH

DTOM

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 8:21PM

Spare me, Hirsch-bot.

Dan Hirsch| 9.24.11 @ 12:04PM

Margie,

Please, spare us all, please?

DTOM

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 1:21PM

Please do not try and pretend that you speak for everyone, ok, fraud?

Look,
You say you're a Christian, and yet you clack with a Darwinist, a reprobate Christians who hates the pure gospel of Jesus Christ. Who calls speaking the truth to lies, hatred.
Who believes he has a "deal with God" to use His Name in vain.
A man who believes that Homosexuals are "born that way."
A man who comes on here and tries to destroy me with lies.
You're not a Christian if you see fit to clack with such a vile man.
You're a nothing and a nobody Hirsh-bot, so stuff it.
As to you and your reprobate of a Christian pal Ken:

"Everyone transgressing and not abiding
in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.
The one abiding in the doctrine of Christ,
this one has the Father and the Son.
If anyone comes to you and does not
bear this doctrine, do not receive him into
the house, and do not speak a greeting to
him.
For the one speaking a greeting shares
in his evil works." 2 Jn. 1:9-11.

I'm not going anywhere, punk.

RCV| 9.24.11 @ 5:46PM

Margie never misses an opportunity to spit venom on someone. She is a very hardened vindictive woman with not an ounce of Christian charity in her. Still angry at her parents and taking it out on the world.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 5:59PM

RCV and Ken, his pal, cannot post without lying~ once!!

Dannyboy| 9.24.11 @ 6:11PM

Margie call her parents Papists

RCV| 9.24.11 @ 6:20PM

Margie's parents are Catholics and Democrats, so she projects her resentments at her upbringing on ..... Catholics and Democrats. A good long session of therapy might help. In the meantime, we'll keep her in our prayers ... maybe even pay for a special novena to the Virgin Mary in her name!

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 6:49PM

Ah, but nothing of what you say here is true, therefore God does not hear your prayers, and they are an abomination to His Ears:

"When you spread forth your hands, I will hide My eyes from you; even though you make many prayers, I will not listen; your hands are full of blood.
Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the evil of your doings from before my eyes; cease to do evil,
learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; defend the fatherless, plead for the widow.
"Come now, let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.
If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land;
But if you refuse and rebel, you shall be devoured by the sword; for the mouth of the LORD has spoken." Is. 1:15-20.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 6:52PM

No, Troll, that isn't true.
Papists are those who actually reject the Words of God~ as written in the Bible, and replace them with false teachings of Catholicism.

My Parents have the fear of God in them, and do not even go to "church."

They actually believe God's Word.

So, they aren't Papists. Are you?

Joseph| 9.24.11 @ 10:36PM

Mullah Margie,

Did you learn your anti- Catholic hatred and bigotry from the book "Roman Catholicism," by Loraine Boettner, the classic for the fringe fundamentalist cults, the Paul Blanchard books, the KKK literature, Or did you develop it yourself.
I really am curious how one ended up like you.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 10:58PM

Let's just see if you can post just one comment without resorting to name calling using the words, Mullah, bigot, KKK, anti-Catholic, or hatred.

I saw your post to me below, whereupon you feigned self-righteousness and requested same of me.

Wouldn't want to be a hypocrite now, would ya?
LOP.S. Where did you learn to so despise the written Word of God?
Was it in catechism classes? Under the tutelage of a pedophile priest. perhaps?
Do you attend Vatican get togethers?
Or have just read the accounts of torture and murder done by those possessing the same lying spirit as you do for those six centuries, of my brethren the Martyrs of Jesus Christ?
Ya know, the Papists who hatred with such vile hatred that they had to torture children and parents together, while their parents looked on?

What was their crime? They refused to bow the knee to your Papists~ they refused to accept their false and demonic teachings.

They so hated the Bible believing Christians.
With the same sick hatred with which you and your pals hate me.

Or anyone who dares to confront your lies.

No, I'm not curious at all, because I already know why you are the way you are.
You are deluded because you refuse to love the Truth.

"For the mystery of lawlessness already
is working, only He is restraining now,
until He comes out of the midst.
And then “the lawless one” will be revealed,
“whom” “the Lord” “will consume”
“by the spirit of His mouth,” and
will bring to nought by the appearance of
His presence. Isa. 11:4
His coming is according to the working
of Satan in all power and miraculous
signs and lying wonders,
and in all deception of unrighteousness
in the ones perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth in order for
them to be saved.
And because of this, God will send to
them a working of error, for them to believe
the lie,
that all may be judged, the ones not
believing the truth, but being well-pleased
in unrighteousness." 2 Thess. 2:7-12.

And perhaps you do not prefer that particular version of the Bible, so here is another for you:

"For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.

And then the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His Mouth and destroy him by His appearing and His coming.

The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false,
so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thess. 2:7-12.

Joseph| 9.24.11 @ 11:55PM

From your answer the answer is YES to my question.

W| 9.25.11 @ 12:39PM

Joseph,
Now that is interesting you mention Boettner.

The Boettner books is the classic handbook for the anti-Catholic fundamentalist cult, along with the other intellectual theologian Jimmy Lee Swaggart who wrote " Catholics and Christianity."
Jimmy Lee Swaggart popularized the absurd claim the the Pope authorized the murder of over fifty million (50,000,000) people after the Protestant Reformation. That is more than died in WW II.
Jimmy Lee had a hit TV show until the probem with his zipper and money.

If you look at these two books you will see amost verbatim the anti-Catholic comments made here by a few of the cultists.
An example is they will say Peter never lived in Rome, and cite some snippet, but ignore the history.

The method is to make a statement, followed by a cut and paste snippet from the Bible, and hope nobody reads it. To answer them fully takes much time and more than a few sentences, but the response is "you lie." Just look at the thoughtful replies and comments by Nick and RCV, quoting the Bible, only to be called liars, punks, and cultists.

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 10:16PM

Typical commenting from another Darwinist, W:

You reject the Words of God as written in the Bible.

That's your choice, but Jesus says this, sir:

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of My Hand.
My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's Hand.
I and the Father are one." Jn. 10:27-30.

As to using a book that is pro-Catholic in order to further your warped thinking even further and help assuage your conscience for rejecting His Word and Bible believing Christians both~ and for using Jimmy Swaggert as a defense in so doing~ I would look to your own Religions six centuries of murderous Papacy, and as to perverts who can't keep their zippers closed~ well we know which Religion it is who continues to this day protecting pedophile "priests" don't we?
And all in the Name of God!

W| 9.27.11 @ 3:24PM

Which pro catholic books? Swaggart and Botetner are like you.
You routinely claim that fifty million, that is 50,000,000, were killed. Is Jimmy Lee your source?
What do you mean by Darwinist?

Margie| 9.27.11 @ 4:03PM

I am nothing like Swaggart and I do not know anything about the other one you speak of.

You're a blatant liar, W.

And Catholic Papists did torture and kill millions upon millions of Bible believing Christians for six centuries~ yet you refuse to face it.

Your love of Cultism is stronger than your love of God's Truth.
It's also why you reject the very Words of god and replace them with Darwinism, like all good Papists do.

W| 9.28.11 @ 8:40AM

Your comments here are almost verbatim from the anti-Catholic handbooks of Boetner and Swaggart and the comic books by Jack Chick.

RCV| 9.24.11 @ 11:12PM

So, you lied about you parents, too? Do they deny that Jesus is God, of one being with the Father, as you do? So there are four people who share your unique theology?

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 10:07PM

RCV,

I never lied about my parents.
I said they were Catholics, but like most, aren't practicing Catholics.
Why?
Because it is a fraudulent Religion by which no one can attain the righteousness which comes by Faith in Jesus Christ, Who is LORD of all.

And I do not deny the Divinity of Jesus. Actually you have a problem with the Bible (God's Own Words).

Because every time I post them in order to show you what I believe, you disregard them.

You think you'll go unpunished for lying about what one of Christ's own children believes?

You will not.

"A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who utters lies will not escape." Prov. 19:5.

RCV| 9.26.11 @ 10:48PM

Margie, you continue to be disingenuous about you belief as to the nature of Jesus. Since you don't accept the doctrine of the Trinity, or even acknowledge that Jesus and the Father are of one being, there are only two alternatives: (1) that you are a polygamist and believe there is more than one God, or (2) that you don't believe Jesus is a God, but only "Lord" -- a different, separate and lesser being than the Father, but not God.

You won't tell us which of these categories you place yourself in, because you don't want people to know. Throwing back excerpts from the Bible doesn't answer that basic question, and it's an important one. "Who do you say I am?" asked Jesus.

Margie| 9.27.11 @ 3:58PM

You're a blatant liar, RCV~

It is you who rejects the very Words of God.
Each and every time that I post the Scriptures concerning exactly how I believe in them~ you persist in blatantly lying, repeatedly.

It is because you reject His Own Words concerning Himself, and have created your own Jesus.

You are in dangerous territory with God because of your repeated lying:

"The one acting unjustly, let him still
act unjustly; and the filthy one, let him
still be filthy; and the righteous one, let
him still do righteousness; and the holy one,
let him still be holy.
And, behold, I am coming quickly, and
My reward is with Me, to give to each one
as his work is.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the
Beginning and the End, the First and the
Last.
Blessed are the ones doing His commands,
that will be their right over the Tree
of Life, and by the gates they may enter
into the city.
But outside are the dogs and the sorcerers,
and the fornicators, and the murderers,
and the idolaters, and every one loving
a lie, and making a lie.
I, Jesus, sent My angel to testify these
things to you over the assemblies. I am the
Root and the Offspring of David, the bright
and morning Star.
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come!
And the one hearing, let him say, Come!
And the one thirsting, let him come; and
the one willing, let him take of the water
of life freely.
For I testify together with every one
hearing the words of the prophecy of this
Book, if anyone adds to these things, God
will add upon him the plagues having been
written in this Book.
And if anyone takes away from the
words of the Book of this prophecy, God
will take away his part from the Book of
Life, and out of the holy city, and of the
things having been written in this Book.
The One testifying these things says,
Yes, I am coming quickly. Amen. Yes,
come, Lord Jesus!" Rev. 22:11-20.

no hussein 2012| 9.23.11 @ 10:58AM

ABO, the GOP field is weak but they all trounce the hussein, then again so does butch, the lab sitting next to me.

howard lohmuller| 9.23.11 @ 11:00AM

Perry may not have won a debate on points. But he won a fight with a knockout punch. He criticized Romney, his main opponent, for deleting a line in his soft cover book that was in the hard cover edition. The line said Romneycare could be accomplished throughout the country. Romney flat lied about it but his aide confirmed it. This lie will be a millstone around Romney's neck, dropping him out of contention and reinforcing Perry's #1 position over the other candidates.

As to immigration, Perry's supposed weakness, the Texas law says children of illegals whom have lived in Texas and graduated from a Texas high may get in-state college tuition and work toward citizenship. Out of state legal students don't get Texas in-state but can get in-state tuition from their own states. Texans want college graduates whom have gained citizenship to settle in Texas.

To deny this program is heartless and an affront to hispanic citizens whom will soon be a majority in Texas and eventually, the Nation.

no hussein 2012| 9.23.11 @ 11:10AM

Then their goes this nation.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.23.11 @ 11:05AM

Howard, sharp observations.

no hussein 2012| 9.23.11 @ 11:12AM

Cain and Paul are definitely at the bottom of the list.

elmo| 9.23.11 @ 11:34AM

Perry's comments/position on immigration may win him a lot of support from Mexican American supporters, especially those that are pro-life. While most of us are good at running our mouths, it's not just us white folks that vote.

no hussein 2012| 9.23.11 @ 11:42AM

They're are either mexican or American, they can't have it both ways.

elmo| 9.23.11 @ 11:53AM

But they can vate--doofus.

no hussein 2012| 9.23.11 @ 12:41PM

I don't care about "vating", but to sell out to a minority of the population for a vote is wrong. most of them are either illegals or anchor babies, they ruined their countries already, I don't want them ruining mine.

Sharon | 9.23.11 @ 2:40PM

Texas does require a picture id to vote now. That should shut down some of the illegal voting. At least I hope it does. I personally think one should have to present a picture id to register.

Steve A| 9.23.11 @ 11:43AM

The only 2 candidates on the stage last night that did not make me cringe with apprehension as they spoke were Gingrich & Romney. Gingrich has no shot. Romney is a moderate. We have problems.

no hussein 2012| 9.23.11 @ 11:46AM

None are shining prospects but ABO right now.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 9.23.11 @ 2:12PM

That is stooooopid. Obama is the one who has problems...

Steve A| 9.23.11 @ 11:53AM

If you could take Gingrich's mind & experience & infuse it onto Perry, he would win "all 57 states."

Best ticket would be Ryan / Rubio but unfortunately, Ryan has taken a pass. Can't much blame him. Who the heck would want that job?

Mike Hawk| 9.23.11 @ 12:03PM

Rubio needs to be Senate majority leader. I won't sacrifice his career on the VP altar of political retirement. Besides, he's only been in the Senate 6 months. We need him there.

martin j smith| 9.23.11 @ 12:51PM

My thoughts about the so called debates are this: This is all a phony dog and pony show without any focus on the crisis in our nation. This rating of the candidates is truly not worth while until we have competition about such essential matters is this: What is your vision of America and how do you see yourself turning our economy around. Until then I thin its all puh bah. That friends is the MSM + the Republican party establishment.

hope| 9.23.11 @ 1:39PM

Perry has the right strategy...shore up the latino and independent voters. If the Right wing Republicans can't see the big NATIONAL picture ..(if you don't appeal to a vast culture)get ready for 4 more years of Obama. That is a devastating thought.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 9.23.11 @ 2:13PM

touche'

no hussein 2012| 9.23.11 @ 2:17PM

ABO and mexicans.

Seek| 9.23.11 @ 2:48PM

Pandering to Hispanics will gain little and lose much. McCain, the amnesty booster, found that out in 2008.

martin j smith| 9.23.11 @ 1:46PM

The candidate that takes a leadership role right now in speaking about our current crisis will have my respect. That means addressing Obama's policies and its affect on this nation and most recently the Socialists threat to shut down the government--that is really extremely important and requires a response. My g-d when will ONE candidate say ENOUGH the American people demand change and this is what I intend to do.
The reason for this in my view is that the currupt and tepid Republican establishment refuses to take a stand. That is why I am getting disgusted !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sharon | 9.23.11 @ 2:37PM

Perry is a RINO, which has been obvious to Texans for years. He courts the Hispanic votes, which is why he is opposed to the fence, gives away tuition, and managed to stop an anti-sanctuary city law. The only reason I voted for him last time was because his opponent, who would otherwise have been a good governor, had turned Houston into a sanctuary city.

martin j smith| 9.23.11 @ 2:46PM

Is is not just Perry-it is the whole format of "debates" which limits the direction/ It is the assortment of candidates and finally it is the Media
including FOX and the Republican Establishment and that includes such notables as John Boehner and Mitch McConnell.

no hussein 2012| 9.23.11 @ 2:52PM

Illegals are the dregs from third world countries, put two and two together.

Havoc| 9.23.11 @ 3:10PM

In the debate, Perry explicitly bound himself closely to President G. W. Bush. That may be a big mistake. It certainly is a mistake where my support is concerned.

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 3:31PM

Perry's a goner anyway. I don't think he really wants the Presidency.
To me, I got the impression he's given up already.
I could be wrong, but he just struck me that way.
He reminded me of Rudy Guiliani when he was campaigning.
Not really into it?

Al Adab| 9.23.11 @ 4:29PM

That may very well be the correct analysis of Perry. It happened to Fred Thompson also. Capable, qualified but down deep, disinterested.

Dan| 9.23.11 @ 7:49PM

We all wish you were a goner Margie

Margie| 9.23.11 @ 8:20PM

Oh, I will be sooner than even I think. But in the same vein, so will you, sir.

Which one of us will be gone soonest?

"For we shall all stand before the Judgment seat of God; for it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall give praise to God." Rom. 14:10 & 11.

martin j smith| 9.23.11 @ 4:06PM

Maybe in three or four months we will have a better idea of who is in or out and more to the point who has survived the process. These debate by debate hand wringing articles are not really useful once we get the idea of how the candidates interacted and responded. I think we are grown ups and can figure out what we think and we do not need filters or "focus groups". I also think that in terms of format the voters ask the questions the better.

Bob| 9.23.11 @ 6:08PM

Governor Cowpuke is debate burnt toast; Willard removed incriminating evidence from his book and told a health care fib, naughty-naughty. So here comes the fat man, he will take center stage, the whole stage and nothing but the stage. Call him what you will, blubber, lard, chubby (women) he's your nominee. Grand sakes alive the Garden State Gargantuan will do it.

Gold BC| 9.23.11 @ 6:19PM

In an oblique sort of way you have a point. Both Perry and Romney have checkered political pasts leaning to far left on key Tea party issues. Therefore the GOP will get desperate and go for a name BUSH, JebBush that is.

Tea for Two in Texas| 9.23.11 @ 6:43PM

For the record, all US States allow undocumented, illegal immigrants to be admitted to and attend their Colleges and Universities. None are permitted to give Federal dollars in tuition. 37 states charge the "Out of State Tuition" rate for these students. There are only 13 states that charge "In State Tuition" rates, also not permitted to give Federal dollars in tuition. So the accusations from Minnesota's Bachmann, Pennsylvania's Santorum and Massachusetts Romney that this "tuition rate" is some sort of 'magnet' making for an immigration issue are patently false.

somnolence| 9.23.11 @ 6:50PM

Romney is now totally acceptable to me after confirming he would sign an executive waiver against Obamacare. He also knocked Perry out on the immigration issue, as did Bachmann.

somnolence| 9.23.11 @ 6:51PM

The anti-gun Christie would fall on his sword just like Giuliani and Fred Thompson both did. He is a laugh.

somnolence| 9.23.11 @ 6:52PM

My bet is now on Romney winning the whole shebang, unless Palin gets in. Then it is a whole new ballgame.

Mimi| 9.23.11 @ 7:02PM

If they are a strong prolifer it follows that in all probability that they have integrity and are a "STRAIT - SHOOTER" . More likely they will be trusted and that is key! When Obama lost the trust of the AMERICAN PEOPLE it was all OVER for him!!
I see candidates like Santorum and Cain and even the "NEW-NEWT"...now a forgiven Catholic convert...that I could TRUST.!!!

Dan| 9.23.11 @ 9:00PM

With the excecption of a small but vocal base, Ron Paul has no chance of beating even Obama. Paul's stance on foreign affairs is unrealistic and would leave the U.S. vulnerable to every country in the world that has a nuclear device.

Nite| 9.23.11 @ 9:40PM

I am the first to admit that Perry is not a good debater. He does excellent though on one to one. He did get tired half way through, just like he did in the last one. I do believe this is related to his having back surgery the end of July. It takes several months after back surgery for an individual to be able to stand in place for that long of a time without being in pain. In each debate he has had the same three people constantly attacking him. Romney, Santorum and Bachmann are the three candidates. Santorum and Bachmann are not likely to get the nomination. I sure won't vote for them and I am not inclined to vote for Romney either. If Christie gets in the race, I won't vote for him either because he is pro-choice and too liberal. In fact, the Evangelicals will simply stay home allowing Obama to be elected again. Perry has not attacked anyone except a little on Romney. The rest of the group has conducted themselves with great dignity and said what they will do. Personally, I do NOT want to hear the strident attacks. It has simply turned me off or Romney, Bachmann and Santorum. The bill for instate tuition for children of illegal aliens was passed by both houses of the TX Legislature with only 4 NO votes. Perry signed the bill. It is for tuition only. Perry was correct when he said it was a Texas State issue and it is. Perry has always signed legislation when it had that much support in the Legislature, which means it had the support of the voters living in the individual districts. Perry always owns up to his own actions and was obvious in the debates. I know, because I am from TX and have voted for him 4 times and will again this time.

BackToBasics| 9.23.11 @ 10:49PM

Herman Cain is a practicing Christian. You did not comment about him. I don't know if you count him out even against Obam, but if so I think it is too soon to do that.

Imagine the 2 of them debating together if Cain got the nomination. I'll bet the MSM would try to keep it to 1 debate only and we all know why.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 7:41PM

FLASH!
Drudge Reporting Herman Cain wins FL. straw poll!
Go Herman!

http://www.washingtontimes.com.....traw-poll/

RCV| 9.24.11 @ 11:15PM

What was it you said about straw polls when Ron Paul won a few of those? Hard to choose which has the better chance of success! LOL!

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 10:01PM

All I know is that something's in your craw concerning Herman Cain, but not Rick Perry.

Since you're a lying Obama suck up, we know what that's telling us!
LOL.

RCV| 9.26.11 @ 10:55PM

There's nothing"in my craw" about Rick Perry OR Herman Cain. I wouldn't vote for either of them. I merely observed that I thought a Perry-Rubio ticket would be the strongest one the GOP could field. But I would be delighted if your party fielded a weaker ticket. And Cain would most certainly fall into that category, so I'm delighted to join your cries of, "Go, Herman!".

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 11:37PM

You are the way you are because you are very sick and perverted.

I hope you repent.

RCV| 9.27.11 @ 1:58AM

I hope you see a Psychiatrist, and soon. The peace of God be with you, Margie.

Margie| 9.27.11 @ 3:52PM

So he says while trying to destroy me, like a perfect vile hater of God.

You and Ken deserve each other, both vile snakes.

"Let him not trust in emptiness, deceiving himself; for emptiness will be his recompense.
It will be paid in full before his time, and his branch will not be green.
He will shake off his unripe grape, like the vine, and cast off his blossom, like the olive tree.
For the company of the godless is barren, and fire consumes the tents of bribery.
They conceive mischief and bring forth evil and their heart prepares deceit." Job. 15:31-35.

Dan T| 9.26.11 @ 10:10PM

It's funny, when Paul wins multiple straw polls they are considered meaningless, when Cain wins they are sacrosanct. Our media is a joke.

RCV| 9.26.11 @ 10:56PM

That's Margie's view as well!

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 11:36PM

Ya know, RCV, you are one extremely immature man.
And a blatant liar to boot.
What are you, like five years old?
LOL.

RCV| 9.27.11 @ 2:02AM

I don't call people childish names like you do, Margie. But the point I made is entirely accurate. When Ron Paul won several straw polls, youcorre toy observed how meaningless straw polls are. When a candidate you like wins one, suddenly it means something.

It doesn't. Herman Cain polls at or below Ron Paul in every national poll of voters.

RCV| 9.27.11 @ 2:03AM

"correctly"

Margie| 9.27.11 @ 3:48PM

You are worse than "calling" childish names~ you are a blatant liar, a vile snake, a master manipulator.

A liar is a liar is a liar. A Leftist scumbag is a Leftist scumbag is a ...well, you get the picture.

If the shoe fits, the Lord will make you wear it.

BackToBasics| 9.23.11 @ 9:43PM

The Tea Party has made a big mistake in backing Perry.

Herman Cain and Michelle Bachman are still there and looking better than Perry or Romney.
Don't buy into this nonsense that they cannot beat Obam. Either of them are able to beat him and I think Cain has the authority and honesty already to create a groundswell of support behind him. Bachman can get there too but needs to REGAIN the straightforward honesty about her own conservative policies she had until recently. She's become more cautious, unlike Cain. She should stop going after Perry and act as if she is the frontrunner already.

Either Cain or Bachman will need a grassroots effort since elites will not get behind either of them. The people will need to lead first. In today's economy, it can most certainly be done.

And who else looks better than the top 2, Santorum and Gingrich, but they are both less conservative than Cain or Bachman.

When establishment candidates lose, Dole or McCain or win, Bush I or Bush II, we all still lose. Republican establishment "winners" lose the nation's conservative moorings more slowly than losing under Carter, Clinton or Obam, but we still lose!

Forget Perry and Romney and get behind one the 2 most conservative people in the race, Cain and Bachman. They are REAL Tea Party candidates.

Stormzeye| 9.23.11 @ 11:02PM

The Tea Party Movement is not a political party and as such does not "endorse" candidates. It's up to the candidate to adopt the Tea Party's positions not vice versa.

Michael Tomlinson| 9.24.11 @ 12:30AM

Good point.

Michael Tomlinson| 9.24.11 @ 12:30AM

Good point. It

Michael Tomlinson| 9.24.11 @ 12:30AM

Good point. It is interesting

Michael Tomlinson| 9.24.11 @ 12:30AM

Good point. It is interesting to note

Michael Tomlinson| 9.24.11 @ 12:30AM

Good point. It is interesting to note that

Michael Tomlinson| 9.24.11 @ 12:30AM

Good point. It is interesting to note that Perry

Michael Tomlinson| 9.24.11 @ 12:31AM

Good point. It is interesting to note that Perry was one

Michael Tomlinson| 9.24.11 @ 12:31AM

Good point. It is interesting to note that Perry was one of

Michael Tomlinson| 9.24.11 @ 12:31AM

Good point. It is interesting to note that Perry was one of the

BackToBasics| 9.24.11 @ 2:00AM

It is interesting to note that Perry was one of the candidates whose "have a heart" comment sounds a lot like George W. Bush's compassionate conservative comments.

Michael Tomlinson| 9.24.11 @ 12:31AM

Good point. It is interesting to note that Perry was one of the first

Michael Tomlinson| 9.24.11 @ 12:31AM

Good point. It is interesting to note that Perry was one of the first pols

Michael Tomlinson| 9.24.11 @ 12:31AM

Good point. It is interesting to note that Perry was one of the first pols to

BackToBasics| 9.24.11 @ 1:48AM

It is interesting to note that Perry was one of the first pols to pretend he had the conservative credentials to get Tea Party backing.

Dan Hirsch| 9.24.11 @ 12:08PM

Michael T,

How long did you work for Burma Shave? I loved their roadside signs!!

HeeHaw

PS Isn't this site really slow, sometimes?

W| 9.28.11 @ 8:42AM

Dan,
Are the Burma Shave signs still around?

BackToBasics| 9.24.11 @ 1:45AM

Yes, as a movement it does endorse candidates. All over the web and on the news we hear about how the Tea Party backs someone. Others have used that Tea Prty backing argument against me here It was probably you using one of your other nom de plumes.

This is just deflection on your part because either because I am making valid points.

Rick| 9.23.11 @ 10:54PM

Rick Perry is a dunse and a rasist!

Dan Hirsch| 9.24.11 @ 12:10PM

Rick,

Did you flunk spelling often?

And if Rick Perry is a dunce and a racist, what is Barack Obama?

Wrikk| 9.25.11 @ 4:10AM

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POST American| 9.23.11 @ 11:59PM

---------------------BOTTOM LINE---------------------

---AS the RED China Globalist TREASON OP
finishes off, and as NAFTA dissolves our sovereignty,
and as GMO has weaponized our
food chain, and as fallout from the greatest
world nuclear disaster in history saturates
our air, mixing with those HAARP enabling
CHEM-trails that DON'T exist -----and just
months after the Masonically provocateured
Norway 'Break their hearts' massacre-----
viz a viz the 2012 'election':

"Understand, you're putting your lives
in the hands of these people. You have to
find out WHO these characters are
--what their past and present afilliations
are ---who they've accepted sponsorship
from ----what oaths they've sworn. IF
they're part of the CFR, or Masonry, or
part of the NGOs ---they've already sworn
loyalty to 'world government'. They have
already BETRAYED their nation's sovereignty."
-ALAN WATT
(a week ago)

-----YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED---------AGAIN

Michael Tomlinson| 9.24.11 @ 12:29AM

While Mitt Romney has spent the last few years brushing up his debate techniques Rick Perry has been governing and leading the nations #1 state in creating jobs, home sales and creating a growing economy despite Barack Obama. As for Mitt he refuses to promise to repeal Obamacare, but wants to “fix it” ala his failed Obamneycare in Massachusetts. As for Social Security Mr. Status Quo has a plan to “fix it” too that I’m sure will please Democrats and squishy independents once he’s poll tested his ideas. As for in state tuition for the children of illegal aliens that’s a state’s rights issue unlike Obamneycare that Mitt boasted about in 2008 and wanted to take national if he’d been elected then.

As for Michelle Bachmann her lack of integrity and honesty about the made-up story about HPV and retardation makes her look shallow, petty and deceitful. Coupled with her lack of transparency concerning business dealings are starting to make her look more and more like a typical DC insider. It is clear she’s not going to be the nominee and she need to accept reality rather than going into the gutter and jumping on the Romney bandwagon of defending the status quo on Social Security. I’m sure Democrats are just salivating to use her and Mitt in attack ads against Rick Perry on Social Security when he’s the nominee.

Rick Santorum needs to know what he's talking about -- Perry knows more about real border security than Santorum. His opposition to allowing insurance companies to sell wherever and to whomever they wish (Texans or Mexicans) sounds a lot like Barack Obama. Perry’s call to end sanctuary cities, boots on the ground and drones to secure the border is far more effective than a fence that can be cut, climbed and is a nuisance, but not a deterrent or impediment to illegal aliens from south of the border. The volunteer Minutemen were far more effective than fences. It is amazing to hear those who decry illegal aliens now pooh poohing Perry’s solid solutions that just a short time ago were all the rage. Proof again these people aren’t looking for real solutions just an issue to complain about.

Herman Cain is still a solid guy, but unlikely to get the nomination. Newt Gingrich is still the smartest man in the room, but the baggage he carries is weighing him down. Jon Huntsman was Obama’s ambassador to China and is weaker and squishier than Romney. Chris Chrisitie is to the left of Romney and while he’s not a lover of jihadists and demented ayatollahs like RION neo-liberal Ron Paul he still thinks allowing sharia law in the US is just hunky dory and while his abusive style may fly in NJ and telling people to shut up is ok there on the national stage he’s going to look like a bully and lose votes to the geek whose playing nice to make independents happy – Barack Obama. Sarah Palin is popular with a third of the GOP, but over 60% of Tea Partiers and over 70% of Republicans DO NOT want her to run. She should listen to at least the Tea Partiers who like and in some case love her.

Rick Perry needs to pick up his game in the debates and come out with some solid policy proposals (spending a little time with Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio would be a good thing). His record in Texas is solid, but he’s got to tell Americans what makes him the guy for the White House. He may never out debate those who put their political ambitions before principles (Romney, Huntsman, Bachmann and Santorum), but he could whip them with solid conservative ideas just like former New Deal Democrat and supporter of FDR and Truman, Ronald Regan did.

Perry should push for a flat tax that exempts military pay (active duty, retiree, retirement, etc.), repealing Obamacare, block granting Medicaid to the states, insurance choice across state borders and taking a serious look at reforming the ponzi scheme we call Social Security (with nods to Pat Toomey and Paul Ryan’s ideas without fully embracing one or the other).

BackToBasics| 9.24.11 @ 2:03AM

from your post - "As for Michelle Bachmann her lack of integrity and honesty about the made-up story about HPV and retardation makes her look shallow, petty and deceitful."

Is the pettiness she displayed the same kind of pettiness you displayed when writing 12 unfinished comments below my post?

Clinton| 9.24.11 @ 7:42AM

Actually Backto Basics I didn't write those and not sure where they came from or why.

Michael Tomlinson| 9.24.11 @ 7:46AM

BTB:
I was trying to write "Perry was one of the first pols to support the Tea Party when it wasn't cool." Then something happened to my computer. I do apologize for the error and uncompleted comments. I just checked back and discovered they posted despite my attempt to quickly shut down and reboot.

BackToBasics| 9.25.11 @ 11:18AM

You left off the "Good point" part where you agreed with Stormzeye's petty remark to me that the Tea Party doesn't endorse anyone. As a movement, it most certainly does.

I've said here before that I'd vote for Perry if he got the nomination. But I've said that I'd continue to back Cain and Bachman and was leaning towards voting for Cain in the primaries if he is still in at that point.

You seem to like more establishment candidates so don't worry, with Perry faltering and Cain doing better than expected in Florida, Christie is the next "electable" guy who will most likely be getting in.

In the meantime, if you disagree with me, fine, but do not put up petty arguments with me about it. I already know the arguments as to why so many think Cain or Bachman could not possibly win. I think Cain could win, with Bachman I'll need to see if she regains her original straightforward speaking without being petty herself which she was.

I still back her somewhat though because she is very conservative and she used to speak strongly about protecting our borders. Both Cain and Bachman are much more inclined to protect our borders than Pery, Romney and way more than Christie would be if he gets in.

But no more of the petty arguments about whether the Tea Party acts in the same as an official party does. A couple people have run as Tea Party candidates in local races anyway. A computer glitch woul NOT append one word at a time like your posts did. It is possible to post two or 3 times if the computer happens to freeze and you continue to hit the submit button but the messages would be the same each time. And your time stamps show you had almost 2 minutes to do copy and pastes.

I'll back the Republican nominee against Obam even the establishment guy wins because I have to this time around, but I will continue to back the most conservative candidates until that time comes.

Purple Lips| 9.24.11 @ 8:08AM

Perry's star is falling. He seems oblivious to the fact that he's not running for mayor of Midland Texas. Not all voters are chicken fried-hillbilly-cotton farmers from Gullywash Texas.

Nite| 9.27.11 @ 10:38PM

I am from Texas and Perry is the Governor. I am truly insulted with the comments about being chicken friend-hillbilly-cotton farmers from Gullywash Texas. Your rude hateful comments certainly does not make you a shining star. There are a lot of people from rural areas in the US, and plenty from poor back grounds. However, that does not make us stupid or ignorant, nor does it make us any less intelligent voters than the "oh so intelligent big city folk". You don't have to like Rick Perry, but please have the courtesy not to insult the people of TX who elected him to three terms as Governor.

POST American| 9.24.11 @ 1:10AM

"We are using MASSIVE third world immigration
to DESTROY British culture, beyond repair,
once and for all ---FOREVER."
-Fmr PM TONY BLAIR
(Daily Mail interview cited
by ALAN WATT online)

-------And NOW, as the Globalist , RED China set up
and TREASON OP, and zealous EUGENICS
(ie Fukishima) rev forward
---we learn Blair's new role is fronting
for ROT-child's J.P. Morgan 'sin--dick--it'.

"-----------WHO ARE THESE CHARACTERS?"

WHO? -----------------------You're gonna' find out!

martin j smith| 9.24.11 @ 8:06AM

I have no favorite and i will waite and see what happens. My hope is to get rid of Obama and the other Socialists. Beyond that we will see. There are at least for now six potential candidates --two I will under NO circumstances cast a vote: Ron Paul and John Huntsman. Never the less each candidate should get a hearing and instead of blogers,pundits,News services, the Socialist Party,
Establishment republicans manipulating our views--lets watch,observe, make up our own minds and vote in primaries etc. Then we will
have a candidate. My beef is with three forces: Establishment Republicans,Socialists, and MSM .
The truth will set you free.

William| 9.24.11 @ 9:48AM

I just don't understand what part of "ILLEGAL" these politicians don't get - just to gain favor with Liberals or to avoid being called "heartless". Why not then pay for college for everyone in the world? Just because they can't illegally cross our borders should not keep them from getting an education. Why, it would be "heartless" to leave them out.

The Government loves spending your tax dollars on people who do not pay taxes. It's another form of buying votes.

p-squared| 9.24.11 @ 10:56AM

The RINOs are rubbing their hands with glee as Perry slips. The honeymoon is over, now it's time for the Texan to campaign on something more than soundbites. This is a Texas issue folks, if Texas wants to offer education on the cheap to the children of illegals then they can. As long as they aren't using federal funds to do it, what the heck do I care?

Wayne| 9.24.11 @ 11:04AM

Here is my answer to Perry. 18 year old's from other countries should not be punished by having to pay out-of-state tuition. Through no fault-of-there own, there parents chose to obey US laws and not sneak into the US dragging their kids with them.

Dan Hirsch| 9.24.11 @ 12:27PM

Wayne;

It's not punishment - out of state tuition for state schools has historically been higher to reflect the fact that instate students have been paying taxes to the state which are used in part to subsidize the university's operation. If you are not from that state, you have not paid those taxes and therefore should pay more to reflect the fact that you have not paid taxes to the university's state.

The flaw in this historical practice is that the student has been paying taxes to his own state and not gotten the benefit of his own state's subsidized university.

I do believe some neighboring states have developed reciprocity agreements so that the subsidies and the in-state tuition savings can be shared across state lines, reducing the students' overall cost for going to a nearby, but out-of-state, school.

Oh what tangled webs we weave...

DTOM

martin j smith| 9.24.11 @ 12:16PM

One final note from me, FOX NEWS I find highly manipulative in regards to this issue with Perry. I have trouble with illegal immigration benefits too--but what about Romney--or anyone else--are they all paragons of virtue ? That is exactly why I say--do not be manipulated. Romney has a lot of RINONESS to explain as far as I am concerned. And exactly why is he being given a pass ? Huh ?

Erling| 9.24.11 @ 1:06PM

My Perry for President bumper sticker comes off today after that debate. He's no Reagan. I'm encouraged by a couple of stories about Gov. Christie's comments about the current crop of candidates, and the possibility he may announce his run for the White House.

Months ago, I wrote in my legal notepad, "Christie-Rubio 2012"- I think that's the winning ticket.

martin j smith| 9.24.11 @ 1:54PM

I lied thanks to Fox News. The feature is on Chris Christi entering the race. But I must say if he enters the race, he too is no paragon of virtue and he too should be questioned his PC attitudes towards Radical Islam will need focusing and questioning among other things. Stay Tuned. Will others enter the race. I say the more the merrier.

rdman| 9.24.11 @ 5:09PM

Big RINO contributors are talking to Christi to enter the race for one purpose... to scare off Palin!!

Won't work... Christi, like Perry, is not a genuine Conservative and has too may skeletons.

RCV| 9.24.11 @ 5:49PM

Speaking of skeletons, the new book on Palin will provide the media with months of scandal to follow up on. Not sure she's up for the fight, as her resignation as Governor proved.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 6:01PM

Well, RCV thinks Homosexuality isn't SIN, and mocks the Word of God~ he hates Bible believing Christians, and does nothing but lie here concerning Christians and conservatives~ (except the reprobate ones).

His "words" are to be rejected, as they are filled with deceit and lies.

Joseph the Papist| 9.24.11 @ 6:19PM

Where is your so called Christian charity towards homosexuals. Should we stone them?
How do you punish this sin?

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 6:45PM

The same thing Jesus tells everyone they must do:

"Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,
and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand; repent, and believe in the gospel." Mk. 1:14 & 15.

What do you tell them, if anything? Or don't you even care where they end up?

Joseph the Papist| 9.24.11 @ 10:07PM

Margie
Try speaking in english declarative sentences, rather than excerpts out of context.
Let's see if you can construct a sentence without using liar, troll, punk, papist.
Try, you can do it.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 10:37PM

Let's see if you are able to respond to at least one answer of mine when kindly given to you, when asked.

You cannot, can you?

See Jn. 8:44.

RCV| 9.25.11 @ 12:38AM

And "the Gospel" Jesus preached was this: love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself.

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 11:33PM

"He who does not love Me does not keep My Words; and the Word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me." Jn. 14:24.

What RCV does here is LIE repeatedly, and lisrs are not allowed into His Kingdom:

"Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, and every one who loves and practices falsehood." Rev. 22:15.

"The LORD loves those who hate evil; He preserves the lives of his saints; He delivers them from the hand of the wicked." Ps. 97:10.

"The LORD is on my side to help me; I shall look in triumph on those who hate me." Ps. 118:7.

RCV| 9.24.11 @ 6:22PM

At least I acknowledge the divinity of Jesus Christ, you phony Christian.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 6:40PM

You acknowledge the Devil himself, liar.

He's in agreement with you, for he is the Father of lies:

"You are of your father the Devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies." Jn. 8:44.

As to what, and more importantly, in Whom I believe? It is the Word of God, Who says this about Himself.

Read it and weep. liar:

"In many ways and in various ways of
old, God having spoken to the fathers in
the prophets;
in these last days He spoke to us in the
Son, whom He appointed heir of all things;
through whom He indeed made the ages;
who being the shining splendor of His
glory, and the express image of His essence,
and bearing up all things by the
Word of His power, having made purification
of our sins through Himself, He
sat down on the right of the Majesty on
high, Psa. 110:1
having become so much better than the
angels, as much as He has inherited a name
more excellent beyond them." Heb. 1:1-4.

Repent, blasphemer!

RCV| 9.24.11 @ 11:17PM

We' 've all learned of late what you believe, Margie, and it certainly isn't Christianity!

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.25.11 @ 8:33AM

RCV
About that divinity of Jesus thing. Saint John 1-1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...."and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us....." (verse 14).
The first chapter of John is my favorite Christmas reading.

RCV| 9.25.11 @ 4:48PM

Mine too. When our pastor reads it at the end of our annual Service of Lessons and Carols, just before Christmas each year, there is utter silence in the Church, and many - including me -- get that lump in the throat and tear up. Maybe the most moving passage in Scripture.

Dan T| 9.26.11 @ 10:13PM

We read that at the end of the end of every Traditional Catholic Mass. It is a beautiful scripture.

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 11:26PM

What about the rest of the year?

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 9:59PM

Look who clacks with RCV against me~ Ken and RCV are in agreement with Satan himself.

And are also in agreement with Clint.

Both Ken and RCV and Clint have openly proclaimed that I am not a Christian now.

Ken is a liar, who has not the doctrine of Jesus Christ,
he has said that Homosexuals "made that way."
He believes he is permitted to use the Lord's Name in vain because of a "special deal."
He believes in Darwinism.
He doesn't like Bible believing Christians who DARE to say something to him concerning his faulty doctrine, and has set out to try to destroy me here with blatant lies.
He is friends with Catholic "clergy".

Yet the Bible says this:

"Any one who goes ahead and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God; he who abides in the doctrine has both the Father and the Son.
If any one comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into the house or give him any greeting;
for he who greets him shares his wicked work." 2 Jn. 1:9-11.

RCV| 9.26.11 @ 10:59PM

I didn't realize that was Satan's favorite passage in scripture! And imagine - being friends with Catholic clergy!

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 11:25PM

Read the Word of God, Papist:

"Everyone transgressing and not abiding
in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.
The one abiding in the doctrine of Christ,
this one has the Father and the Son.
If anyone comes to you and does not
bear this doctrine, do not receive him into
the house, and do not speak a greeting to
him.
For the one speaking a greeting shares
in his evil works." 2 Jn. 1:9-11.

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 9:54PM

Since you are a blatant liar who rejects the doctrine of Jesus Christ~ that makes you no Christian.

You say that Homosexuality isn't Sin.
You are therefore calling God a liar.

You are a Papist, who reflects the Popery and not Christ, Who is LORD of ALL!

"Any one who goes ahead and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God; he who abides in the doctrine has both the Father and the Son.
If any one comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into the house or give him any greeting;
for he who greets him shares his wicked work." 2 Jn. 1:9-11.

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 10:21PM

"We?"

You mean, you,, Ken... and Clint?
All liars.

RCV| 9.26.11 @ 11:00PM

At least I acknowledge that Jesus is God, Margie, as all Christians do.

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 11:23PM

You acknowledge no such thing, RCV.
You, along with your lying friends here, TRAMPLE the Gospel of Jesus Christ under your feet.

"He who does not love Me does not keep My Words; and the Word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me." Jn. 14:24.

Dan T| 9.26.11 @ 10:19PM

Being a Homosexual is not in-and-of-itself a sin. Allowing and encouraging in lustful thoughts and engaging in the homosexual act is the sin. In fact a person tempted by same sex attraction can be a example of virtuousness if he/she fights that temptation and remains chaste/pure. By offering up their suffering the become closer to Christ they can obtain grace from God.

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 11:23PM

Tell that to your pal, RCV.

rdman| 9.24.11 @ 7:57PM

Yeah, right... a book written by a slimy stalker full of unsubstaiated filth and lies.

Neither McGinniss nor Crown/Random House reached out to verify or even comment on all the alleged hearsay from multiple unnamed sources.

Scumbags McGinniss and Crown/Random House better hire the best gangster with a law degree they can find.

McGinniss, the publisher and the LSM are little more than a corrupt and treacherous Fifth Column.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 8:37PM

Unsubstantiated filth and lies... like every word that comes out of RCV's mouth.

Better watch it, rdman, you said some baaaad words.
You shall be delegated to the Papist dungeon forthwith, for you are not reflecting the "views" of the Religionists here!

In other words, sir: Great Post!

RCV| 9.24.11 @ 11:18PM

Plenty of grist for the media mill all year long!

Nite| 9.27.11 @ 10:46PM

You are incorrect. Perry is a genuine Conservative and always has been. He is a fiscal, social, defense hawk, wants strong borders, (obama has not done anything) pro-life, and a friend to Israel. I am from TX and have voted for him in the past 4 elections and will vote again for him in the Primary. Obama hates him and Perry feels the same. Perry can beat Obama, the rest of the field is doubtful. Christie is truly a liberal Republican. I would not vote for him. He is to the left of Romney and that is scary.

rdman| 9.24.11 @ 5:04PM

Perry = Big hat, Big hair, NO Cattle! Dumber than a box of rocks!!

Perry was picked by the RINO Establishment to foil Bachmann. Once they knock Bachmann out of the race, they'll dump Perry.

sirbourbon| 9.24.11 @ 5:21PM

Former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson opined about Obama's "shovel-ready jobs" creating less jobs than his neighbor's dogs. Johnson's analogy could have been directed at others on that GOP debate forum stage except one - Ron Paul.

Romney, the former liberal Governor of "Taxachusetts" is a on again off again supporter of anything that smells like a federal handout education bone.

Romney tried to wear a conservative Reagan cowboy hat by saying that he too wanted to "get the federal government out of education." Romney got away with it due to Perry's inability to place a dunce hat on Romney. Mitt just winked at the camera and tipped his ten gallon Stetson at voters despite being the school yard federal bully's biggest supporters.

If Romney really wants to "get the federal government out of education," why is he", asks Jack Kenny of The New American "concerning himself with whether and how much your kids are tested, how bright your teachers are and whether they are paid properly? These sort of things are local issues that should be addressed by local and state school boards and local voters, not a president that claims to want to 'get government out of the education business.'"
http://thenewamerican.com/opin.....or-schools

Texas Governor Rick Perry tried to pin the donkey's tail on the Massachusetts Republican pachyderm with a series of weak attempts. Mitt hurled back with an excuse about how his dog ate his homework.

Matt Landler and Trip Gabriel of the NYT set the record straight. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09.....&emc=tha24

In Friday's New York Times, Landler and Gabriel pointed out that Romney, just the day before he denied supporting the program, did just that. At a town hall meeting in Miami on Wednesday, Romney is quoted: "'I think Secretary Duncan has done some good things. I hope that's not heresy in this room. He [Sec. Duncan], for instance, has a program called Race to the Top, which encourages schools to have more choice, more testing of kids, more evaluation of teachers. Those are things I think make sense.'"

On that same stage was Ron Paul who has remained consistent on his positions through out his political career was allowed a brief moment to give his opinion on the issue and responded by saying correctly that if you if you care about your children you'll get the federal government out of education.

Politicians like Mitt Romney, it appears, have not changed their strategy. Not since his days as Massachusett's Governor. Romney is straddling both sides of the education issue with "shovel-ready" rhetoric.

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 7:07PM

FLASH!!!
Drudge Reporting Herman Cain wins FL. straw poll!
Go Herman!

http://www.washingtontimes.com.....traw-poll/

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 7:29PM

FLASH!!!
Drudge Reporting Herman Cain wins FL. straw poll!
Go Herman!

http://www.washingtontimes.com.....traw-poll/

RCV| 9.24.11 @ 11:23PM

If Herman wins one more straw poll, he gets 50 tickets for a prize at Chuck E. Cheese!

sirbourbon| 9.24.11 @ 7:32PM

Ron Paul won the California straw poll and Cain the pizza man came in after the anchovies in that contest. http://www.washingtontimes.com.....onference/

Margie| 9.24.11 @ 7:37PM

Well, California?????
LOL.

RCV| 9.24.11 @ 11:19PM

Winning straw polls will get Paul and Cain the same prize!

Clint | 9.25.11 @ 12:31AM

Obama LawBoy Troll RCV Is Scared Of Dr.Ron Paul & We Tea Party Patriots.

Boo !

"Associated Press-GfK poll: Ron Paul the most favorable GOP candidate

A new national poll of the general population has revealed that top tier candidate Ron Paul is the most favorable choice in the Republican Presidential nomination race.

Ron Paul 37% favorable vs 36% unfavorable = +1
Mitt Romney 39% favorable vs 41% unfavorable = -2
Rick Perry 33% favorable vs 36% unfavorable = -3
Michele Bachmann 35% favorable vs 43% unfavorable = -8"

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

RCV| 9.25.11 @ 12:41AM

That's quite a lineup of numbers!

Clint | 9.25.11 @ 11:14AM

That's Right, Obama Lawby RCV.

Deal With It.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Osamas Pajamas| 9.25.11 @ 12:05AM

The non-Democrat electorate is very well educated and explicitly issues-oriented --- which explains the 2010 election debacle for Democrats --- and we don't want to have the wool pulled over our eyes by Republicans, either.

martin j smith| 9.25.11 @ 7:38AM

RCV should be ignored totally and the reason is that s/he is either a computer machine or computer brain programmed with the same garbage. You will get no where unless you enjoy banging your dead against the wall. If so be my guest.

RCV| 9.25.11 @ 4:49PM

Love you, too, Martin.

Reprobate Charlatan Vomitus| 9.27.11 @ 1:40PM

I don't bother with silly critics, at least I belong to a party that cares about human beings AFTER they're born; you must be just another tea party conservative, wholly lacking in intelligence, wholly lacking in real Christian love, wholly lacking in compassion, espousing policies dangerous to this country, policies that are damaging this country, all based on your lack of education coming from a red state location; on being a silly critic who thinks I've ridiculously stated what a lifelong scholar of both the Bible and the Constitution I am, and who thinks he's read a shitload of sanctimonious hypocrisy in all my incessant posts, whether on Christianity or the Constitution or scientific or political or social or economic matters.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.25.11 @ 8:50AM

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.25.11 @ 8:48AM
FoX on Perry Sunday morning:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion.....migration/

Oh, bye the way, I wonder if Margie even remembers what I supposedly lied about somewhere back there.
Go in peace, Margie.

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 9:49PM

You know what you've lied about, Ken. You even asked me the other day, and I typed it all out. And what did you do? Ignore it.
You tried to destroy me with your lies here.
You did not succeed, nor will you.

You are an unrepentant, smooth talking snake.

"Be assured, an evil man will not go unpunished, but those who are righteous will be delivered." Prov. 11:21.

"Go in peace" he says, while seeking to destroy me.

sirbourbon| 9.25.11 @ 10:04AM

Oh, Margie, you must like your politician's served up with piles of ketchup to hide the smell of their rotten huevollos rancheros. Herman Cain, the 'Mister Generality' of the bunch is waaaaay out of his league. The only thing he has going for him are,well, nothing really. LOL.

The guy's 999 plan? You need to walk around and view his plan from the otherside.

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 10:24PM

So... do ALL Catholics hate Herman Cain because he's a Bible believing Christian?

Something surely stinks around here, and it is you.

Dan T| 9.26.11 @ 10:51PM

Cains "999" plan would be a disaster. Unless you repeal the 16th amendment all talk of a national sales tax should be ignored. I personally think Mr. Cain is a good guy but I cannot support this plan.

martin j smith| 9.25.11 @ 11:03AM

Can you find the troll ?

Rob| 9.25.11 @ 6:19PM

We don't need another pro-illegal alien Texas governor in the White House.We need someone who is going to put Americans first and doesn't call people who disagree with him heartless.

insomniac| 9.26.11 @ 3:45AM

"fighting vainly the old ennui. . ." as Cole Porter wrote, thought I would check in to see if you were all still calling each other trolls and accusing each other of not being true Christians , and lo, you are!

I recall a year or two ago I said something faintly critical of Bible thumpin' Margie, and Ken, the Old Texican rode to her defense taking me to task for asking when TAS Comments had become a Revival Meeting. I can see her writing in to Guide Post or The Watch Tower, but having to run to the Bible to see how Margie is buttressing her political argument du jour - - she reminds me of the joke, What would Jesus drive - - one citing was an Accord, another was a Fury and I forget the third. . . all biblical references, chapter and verse.

What happened to Ken and Margie and their Mutual Admiration Society?

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 10:31PM

If it's one thing most Catholics abhor it is the Bible (God's Own Words), and they simply cannot stand Christians.

They must try their darndest to make Bible believing Christians out to be Mullahs, terrorists, zealots, etc., and try and assign us to some kind of cult like Jehovah's Witnesses (Watch Tower), as he mentions above.

They cannot stand it that we believe in the inerrant Word of God, and choose to reject the cult of Catholicism with its myriad of false teachings.

Ken, Clint, RCV, Joseph and this person, they all are in agreement~ and all will seek to DESTROY the Bible believing Christian with lies to their characters and doings.

Dan T| 9.26.11 @ 10:57PM

"Bible believing Christian"? What does that even mean? You talk to 15 different "Bible believing Christians" and you get 15 different interpretations of the same scripture. You are all a "pope" unto yourselves, each believing the Holy Spirit has given you the correct and infallible interpretation. It's total confusion.

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 11:16PM

Catholicism has always taught (wrongly) that "the church" is the means of Salvation, and it is works based.

What you believe and are talking like, is false teaching. Catholicism has taught since its beginning that reading and believing the Bible alone, is not enough. In fact they have always taught that one is not able to read the Bible on their own, and a "Priest" or "Pope" is needed.

In fact they put Bible believing Christians to DEATH for so doing. For six centuries.
The blood of the Martyrs is on their hands.

Do a little reading of history yourself, and you will find this out.

The Bible contains the written Words of God, therefore Christians revere it, and know and believe that we are to obey His Words.

We reject the false teachings of Catholicism, as it teaches a different gospel, not the gospel of Jesus Christ.

As to interpretation~ those who teach anything other than what is written in the Bible are the ones interpreting for themselves~ and Catholicism, amongst other Religions do that very thing.

There is no such thing in the Bible about Christians having a Church Hierarchy, with Priests and Nuns. It isn't taught by Jesus or the Apostles, and in fact God hates hierarchy of any sort. All one has to do is read the Gospels to find this out.

And God does give His Holy Spirit to those who ask Him. That's in the Bible, too.
But Catholicism is lying to you to say otherwise.

If you want to know Jesus, read His Own Words, and reject all else.

"If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!" Lk. 11:13.

Do you truly believe in Jesus? If you do, then you would believe His Words.

Dan| 9.27.11 @ 8:22AM

DanT
In Margie's case it means you create your own cult of one and become the Mullah of that cult. And then you call anyone who disagrees with you a liar and punk. You read your version of the Bible any way you want because your are the only member of this cult.
Don't confuse this cult of one with Christianity.

RCV| 9.26.11 @ 11:10PM

And here's a newsflash, Margie: Catholics, like most Christian denominations, not only don't "abhor" the Bible, they read it aloud in Church -- at every Mass, every day!

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 11:39PM

"You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe--and shudder." Jas. 2:19.

That verse could not apply to you better!

RCV| 9.26.11 @ 11:06PM

Once you disagree with Margie -- or even say a nice thing about someone who disagrees with her -- you instantly become a "lying, Papist, snake-like scum socialist monster", intent on persecuting "bible -believing Christians" (some of whom don't believe Jesus is God).

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 11:19PM

Everyone reads what you say, RCV. You're a blatant liar.
A master manipulator.
And you do have a few very VERY "choice" pals clacking with you, who are also ENEMIES OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST.

RCV| 9.27.11 @ 2:18AM

Margie, you've isolated yourself more and more each day on these posts. Even people who once befriended you and tried to treat you with respect and kindness -- Nick, Ken, Al Adab -- you lash out at them, and call them the vilest of names.

You tell people that it's Catholic doctrine you hate, not Catholics, and yet you slander the latter by hurling lies at them, like your foolish statement above ("if there's one thing most Catholics abhor, it's the Bible". You call most anybody you disagree with a "Papist", even when they're not Catholic.

You have this glaring persecution complex, even though no one has any interest in persecuting you. You fantasize about being one of Fox's "martyrs" and try to make yourself into one by alienating everyone who tries to have a dialog with you.

I hope someday you can defeat your internal demons and someday find happiness and some fellowship with other human beings. You're a sad lonel angry lady.

Margie| 9.27.11 @ 3:41PM

If anyone has demons, sweetheart, it is you.

RCV~ an Obama suck up and liar extrordinaire has many a friend here, all Papists who reject the Word of God for a lie, who are in agreement with you.

You openly state that Homosexuality isn't sin. You are a fraud, and in open rebellion towards God.

Ken also lies when he says Homosexuals are made by God to be Homosexual.

And that is just one thing you Papists preach, and slap Christ Jesus in the face.

No matter how many times you lie about Bible believing Christians here, it doesn't matter, RCV~ you're a delinquent Leftist who thinks that as long as they say something, it must be true.

You openly have said you do not believe that the Bible is the inerrant Words of God~ therefore it is YOU that is the liar.

You have also mocked the Apostle Paul and see fit to judge him unworthy of God's appointment.

Just because you have other reprobate Christians backing you here, a haven of Papist liars and haters of the pure gospel of Jesus Christ, doesn't mean you are right.

And angry? Ah yes, well wait until you find out how the Wrath of God Almighty is going to treat you according to your lying, and according to your rejecting of His Words.

"Evil shall slay the wicked; and those who hate the righteous will be condemned." Ps. 34:21.

"Those who hate the LORD would cringe toward Him, and their fate would last for ever." Ps. 81:15.

"The LORD loves those who hate evil; He preserves the lives of his saints; He delivers them from the hand of the wicked." Ps. 97:10.

"I will not set before my eyes anything that is base. I hate the work of those who fall away; it shall not cleave to me." Ps. 101:3.

"The LORD is on my side to help me; I shall look in triumph on those who hate me." Ps. 118:7.

Well, RCV the liar~

You are indeed one of many here. You provoke with lies like a snake and then attack for any response that contains anger or emotion.

That makes you a snake like the Devil himself, who is using you.

You say I am no Christian and say I deny Christ. And that, repeatedly.
Do you think I should be inhuman and not respond in any way?

You are disgusting, and are on your way to Hell.
I hope you repent, but if you don't, I will thoroughly enjoy seeing you cast into Hell with your friends, fellow reprobates.

Satan| 9.27.11 @ 7:08PM

Beautiful, Marg, Beautiful!!!!

insomniac| 9.26.11 @ 3:58AM

OK, the joke was WWJD - what would Jesus drive?

One theory is that Jesus would tool around in an old Plymouth because the Bible says God drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden in a Fury.

But Psalm 83, He clearly owns a Pontiac and a Geo. The passage urges the Lord to "pursue your enemies with your Tempest and terrify them with your Storm."

Perhaps God favors Dodge pickup trucks, because Moses' followers are warned not to go up the mountain "until the Ram's horn sounds a long blast."

Yeah, I know - levity is no laughing matter.

See, Margie? You can prove anything, it's all in the interpretation.

If you want to know why I am hell-bound, I am Roman Catholic - with a sense of humor.

Margie| 9.26.11 @ 10:25PM

You're just another Papist, self-righteousness in full display, yet you consign yourself to Hell?
Hmm.

insomniac| 9.27.11 @ 2:22PM

I counted 53 posts made by Margie in a short 9/23--9/24 time frame. I had no idea sanitariums allowed so much free recreation time.When does that leave her time to pore over her Bible looking for passages that support her self-styled religion that combines claims of godliness while spewing hatred for mankind that does not share her crackpot view.

My reference to being hell-bound was merely beating Marginal Margie to the punch. My entire life has been Heaven on Earth. If the Lord has nothing more in store for me, I won't complain.

Margie needs an Exorcist. Picture her in a 24 hour Puke Fest, brought on by a Catholic Priest, casting out her demons.

Or a lobotomy. The incision goes across this pre-frontal area here - - I think I know how to do it, WoW - - step back! Who knew a skull could be so full of maggots and scorpions!

I am finished with you Margie. I have a short attention span and religious cranks bore me. Spew on.

The only other time I commented on this harridan, courtly Ken the Texican, posted that all posters should be respectful of other opinions. I say courtly in a complimentary way. He is a thoughtful gentleman.

It is a shame that a site with many knowledgeable posters is interspersed with one or two idiots cluttering up the landscape and distracting the flow of intelligent discussion.

I see below that Comments are routinely monitored and will be deleted if profane, bigoted, or grossly impolite. Probably I have exceeded the bounds of decency while Margie rolls on, 53 times a day calling everyone everything her limited vocabulary allows. She is repetitious, isn't she?

Margie| 9.27.11 @ 3:26PM

"For the Word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the cleverness of the clever I will thwart."

Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.

For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom,
but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." 1 Cor. 1:18-24.

Margie| 9.27.11 @ 4:06PM

The Catholics here like yourself, are blatant liars who say I'm not a Christian.

Ken has said the same thing.

You are all Catholics, and liars.

God will be through with liars one Day very, very soon!

insomniac| 9.27.11 @ 11:17PM

I didn't say you were not a Christian, I said you are a malicious crackpot. At least that is what I meant to convey. Loonier than the homeless guy who used to stand in front of Neiman Marcus in Union Square waving a "Repent, The End is Near" sign and damning shoppers to the fires of Hell for shopping at an expensive store. Macy's was right across the street and he didn't bother them.

He was there for years - a kind of disheveled, filthy, deranged landmark of a guy. That was about 1964 and 10-15 years forward. He is gone and we are all still here.

I am probably the most evil (in your troubled mind) kind of Catholic - - a convert. I actually studied to become one. I was not converted. I was not coerced by another Catholic. I freely chose to be Catholic.

I have allowed myself to do what others here have done - give you an opportunity to rave on in response to any voice of reason. Rising to the bait of your screeching interpretations of the Bible is second only to the futility of responding to Alan Brooks.

insomniac| 9.29.11 @ 5:02PM

How did I do it? I shut Malevolent Margie Up. No, like the Hydra, she is just taking time out, growing more heads to preach her gospel with. Or frothing at the mouth on some other site.

shia| 10.18.11 @ 10:35AM

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