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Rick Perry, Evangelical
His appearance at Liberty University last week was very much in keeping with the direction of his religious life.
Evangelicals are a key constituency for Republicans, and a Texas evangelical running for president seems a likely favorite. Rick Perry’s appearance last week at the late Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, confirmed the Texas governor’s ease when speaking about his “faith journey” to fellow evangelicals.
“I wasn’t one of those people who knew at the age of 12 that he wanted to be doctor, a lawyer, or for that matter a governor or a president,” Perry told over 10,000 students and faculty at Liberty, which touts itself the world’s largest Christian university. “I spent many a night pondering my purpose, talking to God, wondering what to do with this one life… what I learned as I wrestled with God was I didn’t have to have all the answers, that would be revealed to me in due time, and that I needed to trust Him.”
Perry recounted having been “lost spiritually emotionally” at age 27 while a U.S. Air Force officer. He turned to God not “because I wanted to — it was because I had nowhere else to turn.”
“As spiritual beings we are meant to live in relationship with our Creator and with one another — and the happiest moments I’ve ever experienced are when I am in communion with God and in community with others,” Perry told the receptive students. He reassured his audience of God’s plan for them. “He knows you by name; you’re never alone, even when you feel like it, and He doesn’t require perfect people to execute his perfect plan,” he observed. “God uses broken people to reach a broken world. The mistakes of yesterday say nothing about the possibilities of tomorrow.” And he encouraged them to become politically active: “You have the right like every American to speak your mind, you have the right to insist on change, to tell the people in power that you will not have your inheritance spent.… Your voice matters; use it. This country is your country as well.”
In what was more an inspirational pep talk than direct political plea, Perry surmised: “America is going to be guided by some set of values. The question is going to be whose values.” He prefers “those Christians values this country was based upon.” Mentioning the “Arab Spring,” he implored that America “must do as Ronald Reagan did at the apex of the Cold War, which is to speak past the oppressors and illegitimate rulers and directly to their people.” He insisted: “Regardless of tribe or tongue people desire to be free.” And, “America must continue to be the world’s leading advocate for freedom speaking the truth to adversaries and dictators and in keeping with our democratic values.”
Liberty University News Service indicated a strongly positive response. “Instead of choosing to make it a political forum, he chose to speak from his heart,” explained one student. “I will consider voting for him because he has good Christian values and I support him for his pro-life beliefs,” reported another. “What I know of Rick Perry is that he seems to be really genuine and has done great things in Texas,” extolled still another.
Religious themes have been common for Perry speeches across his political career. He has frequently preached in churches. In early August, he hosted a prayer rally for 30,000 in Houston. Organized by conservative Christian groups, it was lambasted by liberal critics as exclusionary. In his own brief remarks, Perry carefully focused on prayer and avoided overtly political statements.
As the New York Times reported after the Houston prayer session, “Few political figures in America have so consistently and so unabashedly intermingled their personal faith and their public persona, peppering speeches with quotations from Scripture, speaking from the pulpit at churches, regularly meeting and strategizing with evangelical Christians and even, in one recent speech, equating public office with the ministry.”
By most accounts, Perry’s religious faith is sincere and almost lifelong. He was raised a Methodist, where he has recalled to the Austin newspaper there was “comfort in tradition and stability” and where “we sang the doxology, the preacher would preach, we would have a hymn.” Perry currently attends a West Austin mega-church that has an unadvertised Southern Baptist affiliation. His speech at Liberty cited his spiritual search at age 27. In the New York Times story, Perry recalled: “At 27 years old, I knew that I’d been called to the ministry,” while adding how “really stunned” he is “by how big a pulpit I was going to have,” referring to his life in public service. But he has credited a Methodist evangelist for first winning him to faith at age 12.
At a Methodist Summer camp in the early 1960s, northwest of Abilene, Texas, a gregarious Methodist pastor named Ed Robb, Jr. taught Perry to swim. As governor in 2002, Perry told a reporter: “Ed taught me much more, he taught me about the Lord.” Robb recounted in his own 2002 memoir: “We had prayer together, and he trusted Jesus Christ. Little did I dream that Rick would grow up and become the governor of Texas.” Robb, who died in 2004, remembered visiting with Perry “often” in subsequent decades. Perry also befriended Robb’s son, Edmund Robb III, who pastors the Woodlands United Methodist, a mega-church outside Houston. As Texas Agriculture Commissioner in the 1990s and later as governor Perry has preached at the Woodlands Church.
The younger Rev. Robb told the New York Times that Perry is “absolutely” sincere in his faith: “Is it some newly found, politically convenient addition to his life? No. It’s long-term and it’s authentic.” Both Robbs represented the evangelical wing of United Methodism. The elder Robb as a pastor and evangelist championed conservative causes for decades in the denomination. As consummate a Texan as Perry, the elder Robb at age 19 foreswore smoking, drinking, and wild women at a Methodist altar in San Francisco after returning from the U.S. Navy in World War II. Distressed over his denomination’s alliance with Marxist liberation groups in the 1970s, the elder Robb joined with Christian intellectuals such as Richard John Neuhaus and Michael Novak in 1981 to found the Institute on Religion and Democracy in Washington, D.C. (I am now the IRD’s president and was privileged personally to know Robb during his last 15 years.) Throughout the 1980s Robb chaired the IRD and was a frequent media critic of left-wing bias by Mainline Protestant denominations.
Perry doubtlessly shares Robb’s views about their denomination’s liberal stances. As governor he has attended and retained membership at Tarrytown United Methodist Church in Austin, also attended by George W. Bush while governor. But Methodism in Austin tends to be more liberal than elsewhere in Texas, perhaps partly explaining why Perry now attends evangelical Lake Hills Church. (He cites its proximity to his home.) Perry smilingly told the Liberty students that in his home town of Paint Creek, Texas, during his boyhood the only religious choices were the Baptist and Methodist churches. Speaking as a Methodist to a school founded and run by Baptists, Perry offered an appeal to “Christian values” that likely will resonate with many evangelicals. Probably so too will his counsel to applauding students: “Don’t leave it to a bunch of Washington politicians to tell you how to live your life.”
About the Author
Mark Tooley is president of the Institute on Religion and Democracy in Washington, D.C. and author of Methodism and Politics in the Twentieth Century. You can follow him on Twitter @markdtooley.
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Michael Tomlinson| 9.21.11 @ 7:02AM
No doubt this will scare post-modernist Americans and those who fear the dangers of neocon ideas of freedom as expounded by Ronald Reagan, but it is refreshing after the last few years of Muslim appeasing Barack Hussein Obama.
JimH| 9.21.11 @ 8:45AM
Reagan a Neocon? I'd like to see that backed up.
Michael Tomlinson| 9.21.11 @ 9:17AM
I guess you've never read what Reagan said about freedom or democracy. He is the godfather of the neocons.
The political trinity of Reagan, Thatcher and John Paul II laid the foundation for the neoncon philosophy of a strong and agressive movement in support of freedom and democracy. Nothing like the anti-freedom paleocons who cherish the old idea of the status quo or pro-union Pat Buchanan who abandoned Reagan's idea of democracy for all people and porous North American borders (you might want to read his 1979 Hilton speech on the issue).
Instead of me doing all the research for you why don't you try doing it up yourself. But below is an interesting article to get you started.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t.....442546.ece
Ryan| 9.21.11 @ 9:53AM
I'm no paleocon, but calling them "anti-freedom" goes a step too far, I think. It's not like they directly promote and subsidize keeping other peoples in bondage.
Michael Tomlinson| 9.22.11 @ 5:49AM
On the contrary ardent paleocons Lew Rockwell and Pat Buchanan both have show a penchant for defending Muslim dictators and have a preference for the status quo (i.e., standing by dictatorships).
JimH| 9.21.11 @ 10:05AM
I can understand your eagerness to claim the Gipper. And while he promoted liberty and worked to bring down the Soviet Union he was not a neoconservative as the term is commonly understood. There were some neocons in his administration and they did have influence on his policies. But the man himself? No. This is the Wikipedia definition of neoconsrvatism, which I guess is about as good as any. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
Michael Tomlinson| 9.22.11 @ 5:47AM
Your problem is letting wikipedia think for you. Why make this non scholarly site the word on everything.
sirbourbon| 9.22.11 @ 1:17AM
The "god fathers" of the neocon/liberal persuasion were Wm. F. Buckley, jr. and Irving Kristol. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Kristol
Like all good neocons Kristol belonged to the Council on Foreign Relations, an influential left wing think tank that filled not only Ronald Reagan's cabinet but every administration since Reagan's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M....._Relations
-#- rrffuu--#--| 9.21.11 @ 3:57PM
Here's an item from ABC Online that will delight you supporters of Rick Perry. I can hear you cheering now "Way to go, fag!"
Fourteen Year-Old Gay Commits Suicide
"Jamey Rodemeyer sent out many signals on social networking sites that he was struggling with his sexuality, and although he encouraged others on YouTube to fight off the bullies, things didn't get better.
The Buffalo, N.Y., boy, 14, killed himself this weekend after posting an online farewell.
A student at Williamsville North High School, Jamey had been tormented for the past 12 months by cyberbullies who made disparaging comments with gay references on his Formspring account, a website that allows anonymous posts. "
If you want to read more, go to ABC Online. Happy reading, troglodytes!
Tom| 9.21.11 @ 5:25PM
Good news to me.
To read that one more young faggot has offed himself is not going to choke me up. Good riddance is what i'm thinking.
Trinacria| 9.21.11 @ 6:23PM
What kind of a mindless pile of afterbirth are you?
skip| 9.21.11 @ 11:28PM
-#- rrffuu--#--,
What do you want us to do about it?
Rodemeyer's Creator, The Lord God Almighty, has become taboo to talk about, to the point it may soon be determined to be 'hate speech'.
It is getting harder and harder, especially in public schools, to bring up to individuals like Rodemeyer that his Creator, The Lord God Almighty, has something to say about that very type of behavior. He states homosexual behavior is 'abominable'. Look it up in a dictionary if you don't know what it means.
Save some of your vitriol for Him. He created everything. He makes the rules. He is the judge. And nobody in tune with Him ever kills himself either.
Anita| 9.22.11 @ 10:10AM
Wow, you all are sad. One of God's children, no matter what sexual preference he had, chose to end the life He gave him.
I will say, I will pray for all of you. HE RESTORETH MY SOUL. He will restore yours also.
skip| 9.22.11 @ 11:49AM
Your compassion for that soul is admirable.
What is your stance on the over 54 million innocent defenseless children of God - who incidentally are endowed by God with unalienable rights including life and liberty here in America - who are 'legally' murdered, including today, where since January 1973 on average 3,836 will be brutally slaughtered?
It is, after all, sad that among the words you've gone to the trouble to grace us with here, none of those 3,836 innocent defenseless children of God, given no choice whatsoever, whose sad day is today, were even mentioned, much less those of yesterday, or the day before, or the day before that. Or those whose sad day is tomorrow, or the day after, or the day after that.
Anita| 9.22.11 @ 1:11PM
Skip- I would say that any woman who believes that an aborted child can be called a fetus is wrong. A baby from the moment of conception is a human being. To deliberately destroy a child is against all that I believe in. Have the child, put it up for adoption if you don't love it, give it life that God intended. Not death.
The article was about one boy. Not the deaths of aborted children. I understand your point.
Alan Brooks| 9.21.11 @ 5:43PM
Carter was enough to make us wary of evangelists; not their faiths-- their smarm.
SPQR | 9.21.11 @ 7:32AM
Way too scary for me, and I've been a conservative since the days of Barry Goldwater (and this magazine was soon born thereafter and was called The Alternative). While I abhor Obama, if Perry is the nominee, I'm not voting.
Doctor Right| 9.21.11 @ 7:38AM
What part, specifically, is "scary"??
You're a Conservative? Doubt it.
Michael Tomlinson| 9.21.11 @ 8:33AM
Yeah, yeah . . . As a lifelong Republican I'll eagerly vote for our next President -- Rick Perry, but aside from RINOS Ron Paul and John Huntsman I'll vote for anyone the party puts forward.
Go back and tell your liberal Democrat friends we're not fooled by the "conservative" BS line.
florin| 9.21.11 @ 11:21AM
I don't think that many people know that Perry is not pro-life - he is for abortion under certain circumstances, including the 'health of the mother' which could mean just about anything. For some reason, something about Perry makes me very uneasy...I will not vote if he is the candidate.
Mike Bergsma| 9.21.11 @ 12:18PM
Perry has a strong prolife record. The prolife groups in Texas are strongly in his camp.
Mister Grady| 9.21.11 @ 7:01PM
If the were a filter that prevented people lying on forums, 90% of the comments would never make it through.
skip| 9.21.11 @ 11:33PM
Interesting concept.
One, I believe your comment would not be posted here.
Two, readers would therefore wonder what the heck I'm talking about in this post.
Kelly Staples| 9.21.11 @ 7:48AM
Well, it could be worse. . . he could be a liberal Massachusetts Pubbie.
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 8:00AM
"That said, right out of the chute, of cause for deep concern is an apparently close relationship Perry has fostered over the years with a Muslim leader know as "His Highness" Prince Shah Karim Al-Husayni, the Aga Khan IV."
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=333701
just sayin'.
Michael Tomlinson| 9.21.11 @ 8:34AM
This from a fan of the RINO neo-liberal Ron Paul who thinks Iran having nukes is just fine and America's to blame for 9/11. What a joke!
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 8:39AM
"Rick Perry’s newbie mistake on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
By Glenn Kessler
“I certainly have some concerns. The first step in any peaceful negotiation for a two-state solution for the Palestinians is to recognize the right of Israel’s existence. They have to denounce terrorism in both word and deed. And they have to sit down and negotiate with Israel directly. Anything short of that is a non-starter in my opinion.”
— Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), in an interview with Time magazine, Sept. 15, 2011
As part of the 1993 Oslo accords, in an exchange of letters between then Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, the Palestine Liberation Organization met all of these conditions nearly 20 years ago. The letters are posted on the Web site of the Israeli Foreign Ministry.
“The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security,” the letter from Arafat said. “The PLO commits itself to the Middle East peace process, and to a peaceful resolution of the conflict between the two sides and declares that all outstanding issues relating to permanent status will be resolved through negotiations. … Accordingly, the PLO renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence and will assume responsibility over all PLO elements and personnel in order to assure their compliance, prevent violations and discipline violators.”
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 8:42AM
"Michael Scheuer, who was the head analyst at the CIA’s bin Laden unit, Alec Station, and authored the books Through Our Enemies Eyes and Imperial Hubris, said “I thought Mr. Paul captured it the other night exactly correctly. This war is dangerous to America because it’s based, not on gender equality, as Mr. Giuliani suggested, or any other kind of freedom, but simply because of what we do in the Islamic World – because ‘we’re over there,’ basically, as Mr. Paul said in the debate.”
Scheuer also agreed with Dr. Paul’s statement in the debate that the war in Iraq was a diversion from capturing or killing Osama bin Laden and that bin Laden was “delighted” that the U.S. is occupying Iraq as it has become a training ground and recruiting tool for new jihadists joining the movement."
Michael Tomlinson| 9.21.11 @ 9:23AM
Ron Paul and his cult should emigrate to Iran or the new UN state of Palestine. They'd feel right at home in those dictatorships.
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 10:07AM
Dr.Ron Paul's Foreign Policy Advisor Michael Scheuer,Former CIA Chief of The bin Laden Unit,
" On Iran, The President Should:
3.) Call in Israel's ambassador to the United States and tell him that we understand that Israel believes Iran is a threat to its survival, and that we agree that Israel has every right to defend itself. If Israel believes it must go to war with Iran, then so be it. But also tell the ambassador that if Israel attacks Iran, the U.S. administration will declare U.S. neutrality in the war and immediately cut off military and financial support to all combatants in the war.
4.) Speak to the American people and tell them to expect to be brutally propagandized by U.S. citizen Israel-Firsters through AIPAC, their ubiquitous media shills, and the men and women they own in the U.S. Congress and federal bureaucracy. Urge Americans to ignore this effort by U.S. Israel-Firsters to get them to send their soldier-children to fight in a religious war in which the U.S. has no genuine national interest at stake, and in which U.S. participation would further bankrupt the country, require the reintroduction of conscription, and put America at war with all of the Muslim world -- Shia and Sunni -- for the foreseeable future."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Doctor Right| 9.21.11 @ 12:40PM
Did you ever notice that Clint has NEVER had an original thought?
ALL of his posts are cut-n-paste jobs...and repetitive, too.
It's like the Borg...
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 2:14PM
You Ever Notice That It Upsets The Livin' Hell Outta Dr.Reich.
You're Scared Of The Tea Party & Our Tea Party Co-Favorite Dr.Ron Paul.
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 2:41PM
Nope, Ron Paul just made another foot in mouth moment. He said he would consider Dennis Kucinich for a cabinet position.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-.....is-cabinet
Yep, the Same Dennis Kucinich that when running for Presidient in 2008 told his supporters that if he was not on the Iowa poll they should vote for Obama.
The same Dennis Kucinich that wants to ban handguns for civilians.
The same man that is supported by backed by the Socialist party of America.
And I am supposed to believe that Ron Paul is a conservative?
Way to pick them Dr. Paul.
Truth to Power| 9.21.11 @ 3:08PM
"Ron Paul says he'd consider putting Dennis Kucinich in his Cabinet"
Cutting and pasting is so much fun.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 3:21PM
I wish Ron Paul WOULD put Dennis in the cabinet.
And throw away the key!
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 4:14PM
Don't worry Ron paul will call the UFO back that Mr. Kucinich saw and this time they will take him to the mothership.
GOD| 9.21.11 @ 6:26PM
Mark the day and the hour, my brothers and sisters! Margie has posted a comment without invoking my name!
Thank you, Margie!
By the way, have you fed the cats today?
DUNG BEETLE| 9.22.11 @ 1:06AM
Even I know that God would know if the cats are fed. If you are going to attempt a clever and witty statement try not to be such a dumbass when you do it next time.
Doctor Right| 9.21.11 @ 9:28AM
Oh, so they "met" those conditions in '93, huh??
Gee...Then would someone PLEASE explain to me why the PLO and HAMAS launched another Intifiadah in 1997?
First Lesson of Politics 101: Talk is cheap; actions count, not words.
Clint...a word of advice, from the heart...
It's bad enough that you spend your day cutting-n-pasting the words of Ron Paul as if you were an acolyte of Chairman Mao's, and were quoting from his l'il Red Book...
...But when you try and step into serious global issues, you risk looking like even MORE of a fool than most people on this board already consider you to be.
You're in WAAAAAAY over your head, here.
When you're Jew-bashing, stay "local".
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 10:02AM
You're Neither A Doctor,Nor Right, Joisey Social Propagandist.
Dr.Reich is a Self-Styled Pseudo-Intellect Elitist Wannabe, who thinks he can sell his sand to We,The Great Unwashed.
Go Sell Your Ricky Perry Algore Cheerleader Sand To The Arabs, Dr.Reich.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 10:22AM
Tell It To Ricky Santorum.
Rick Santorum,
" I've forgotten more about Israel than Rick Perry knows about Israel. There he is, reading a speech that I'm sure he didn't write, and has never taken a position on any of this stuff before, and [the media is] taking this guy seriously."
Rick Santorum| 9.21.11 @ 7:33PM
Clint, you are a fool. A nasty one at that.
Rick Santorum| 9.21.11 @ 8:02PM
P.S. Why won't anyone pay attention to me???!!!
Rick Santorum| 9.21.11 @ 11:37PM
Doctor Reich Is A Nazi Fool & So Is His Nasty Girlfriend, Brooks.
Doctor Right| 9.21.11 @ 12:37PM
Actually, I'm both.
And compared to you, I'm Stephen Hawking.
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 2:11PM
No You're Not
You're A Trash Talkin' Shuck & Jive Wigger From Joisey, Dr.Reich.
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 3:00PM
"You're A Trash Talkin' Shuck & Jive Wigger "
Wow, even for you that is pretty pathetic. Intolerant much?
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 4:43PM
Papists are permitted to lie an slander.
It's all an OK part of their Religion.
Marc | 9.21.11 @ 5:55PM
Have you ever constructed a post without the word "papist"?
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 8:04PM
Well, yes. There was this one time - back at band camp - when I posted a comment when I was feeling really creative and I substituted "heathen" for "papist". I got all tingly after that...
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 11:39PM
Apocalyptic Crank Lady Margie Is A Fixated Lapsed Catholic With An Obsessed Hang Up About Real Catholics.
She's A Nut Bag.
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 1:11AM
Your brother Ken agrees with you, punk.
Aren't you glad?
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 11:29PM
And quit posting in my name.
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 10:34AM
Yet, the PLO ambassador to the US states:
The Palestine Liberation Organization's ambassador to the United States said Tuesday that any future Palestinian state it seeks with help from the United Nations and the United States should be free of Jews.
Then I find this laughable.
"Accordingly, the PLO renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence and will assume responsibility over all PLO elements and personnel in order to assure their compliance, prevent violations and discipline violators.”
Yet they then turn around and form a ally with HAMAS.
In fact Yasser Arafat himself even suported Hamas going so far as to praise one of their bomb makers.
"For example, former PLO leader Yasser Arafat publicly praised Yahya Ayyash, the master Hamas bomb-maker who killed at least 60 Israelis, as "the struggler, the martyr" (New York Times, January 8, 1996) and "a martyr" (Jerusalem Post, July 28, 1996)
Bruce| 9.21.11 @ 8:03AM
I would rather have Perry out there stating what he believes than Romney and Huntsman running away from what they believe. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (what some people call the Mormon Church). I can tell you that many policies Romney and Huntsman put forward are not in keeping with their faith. Could it be they are ashamed of their beliefs or are they afraid of the fallout if they try to explain that the LDS Church believes in Jesus Christ, Heavenly Father and the Holy Ghost just like other Christians do. Maybe they are too afraid of being members of some "cult." Read the Bible about what happens to those who would deny their faith.
Ryan| 9.21.11 @ 8:34AM
There's a little run-around there if you're not looking for it. LDS doesn't believe in the Trinity - that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are One God, Equal in power and Glory.
florin| 9.21.11 @ 11:23AM
Perhaps Romney has decided not to accept the Mormon belief that God was once a human and that He evolved into being God; perhaps Romney has decided he cannot believe that Jesus is the brother of satan...but I do believe that Mitt Romney is an honorable man who has never had a scandal involving his family or himself. I may not agree with everything he does politically, but he is an honorable man. I am, by the way, an Independent voter.
JP| 9.21.11 @ 8:27AM
Perry is firing on all cylinders. He shrewdly is sealing up the Evangelical-Rural 2nd Amendment-Christian Right Vote:
1)Show up at events wearing a holster and six-shooter - check
2)Lead a public prayer service that demonstrates your public piety -check
3)Issue a public threat aimed at Wall St Bankers (who are primairily Jewish) - check
4)Give a speech at Liberty University, which seals your Baptist Fundementalist Bonafides - check.
If the Catholic vote was that big of a thing inside the GOP, Perry would have enrolled in RCIA, attended every Knights of Columbus dinner, and lead daily rosary prayers on EWTN. For all of you Fundementalists - be on guard.
Michael Tomlinson| 9.21.11 @ 8:45AM
JP you obviously aren't aware that 40% of Roman Catholics are in the GOP camp -- especially those who actually attend Mass.
It is clear you're a good religious bigot whatever your faith or lack of it. Being ignorant is easy for you isn't it? Enjoy the rest of the FAILED Obama presidency you want see another Democrat in the White House for a while.
JP| 9.21.11 @ 8:53AM
Michael,
And you obviously missed the point of my post. It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with a cynical campaign in which a group of operatives use religion and religious symbols to target certain demographics. For the last 30 years, GOP campaign operators have become very adept at this.
Michael Tomlinson| 9.21.11 @ 9:21AM
Perry is a true believer. The paranoia about Christians being a threat is a Democrat strategy that has been front and center the Reagan Presidency. Nice try trying to blame the GOP for the Democrat's political campaign of religious bigotry and hate.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 12:35PM
Catholic bigotry is the ugliest and from Satan himself, as is their ungody false teachings.
From the first Centuries they have hated Bible believing Christians.
They tortured and killed them for choosing Christ over false doctrine.
That hatred continues here on these very pages today.
JP is one of them. Their hatred is permitted though~ it gets a huge pass by most here.
Some of the biggest hypocrites are Ken & JP~ they sell out their souls to the Devil and throw in their lot with him by trashing Evangelical Christians who take their stand on Scripture rather then Darwinism and false doctrine.
GOD| 9.21.11 @ 6:29PM
Seroquel. Take twice daily with food. Go in peace.
DUNG BEETLE| 9.22.11 @ 1:08AM
Sigh.
Satan| 9.22.11 @ 1:22PM
Margie
Use your name!!
Stop using stupid names like dung beetle and mister grady and whatever. Nobody believes that others are on your side.
Be proud. Use your name.
DUNG BEETLE| 9.22.11 @ 3:13PM
Okay Satan. If that is your real name.
Bernard Webb| 9.21.11 @ 8:39AM
Far-out right-wing extremist evangelicals like Perry and his twitmate Bachmann are the American Taliban. I'm serious! Read up on the Taliban views. They overlap perfectly with the views of un-American religious nuts.
I am MUCH more worried about the attacks on America and its democracy from these sanctimonious Christian fundamentalist hypocrites than anything that their Muslim fundamentalist counterparts like the Taliban can do to us from afar.
Michael Tomlinson| 9.21.11 @ 8:48AM
Bernard you are ignorant aren't you. What a moron. If anyone is sympathetic to the Taliban it is leftist Democrats who are not only eager to appease them, but around the world defend their bigotry, hate and extremism. You need to actually educate yourself before put your ignorance and bigotry on display.
Hey, but thanks for showing us Democrats are deeply afraid of Rick Perry.
Truth to Power| 9.21.11 @ 9:12AM
If Bernie would vote for a member of the hate filled Reverend Wright's church, he doesn't look like he is being serious. Thanks for the confirmation by the way that you lefties are not serious about Muslim terrorism. We knew it already but it is always nice when you straight up say it.
Ryan| 9.21.11 @ 9:55AM
If you think Perry is anything but the establishment conservative, you need to read more. I suspect I'll wind up voting for him against Obama with my nose pinched.
Make no bones, simply because someone is an evangelical doesn't make him some sort of crazy right-winger. See GWB for that one.
TexasLighthouse| 9.21.11 @ 10:30AM
Bernard-that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What are you using for a brain?
When's the last time a group of Christians hijacked a few airliners and flew them into buildings? Or tried to blow up another airplane full of people with a bomb in their underwear? How about killing a bunch of soldiers on a U.S. Army base? (I live at the north end of Fort Hood, so that one still cuts deep here.) Surely, you're not suggesting that you or anyone else will be physically harmed by having the words "In God We Trust" on our money and the Ten Conmandments displayed in local courthouses. Or is it the gay marriage thing that makes us evangelicals so dangerous? Last I checked, the evangelical position is "The Bible says it's a sin, the U.S. is not obligated to honor a homosexual union, feel free to have a civil union because nobody's stopping you." Or maybe it's the pro-life thing? Could it be that evangelicals are not AGAINST women but FOR babies??? I'm a female so I'm pretty sure I'm not against women. Who is most to be feared in the abortion argument? The evangelicals who fight for the lives of the unborn or the non-evangelicals who fight for the right to terminate the unborn (after all, they're not registered voters)? Oh yes, we Christians are such scary people...the way we menacingly take our children to school, aggressively buy groceries at the store, and ram into pedestrians as we barrel our toward the church parking lot. Gimme a break!
Elaine Luiz| 9.21.11 @ 8:42AM
Our country was founded on Judeo-Christian values. The founders soughtand trusted in the guidance of God in this endeavor. If you haven't done so, read the "5000 Year Leap." Should be required reading!
JohnC| 9.21.11 @ 8:46AM
Never trust a liberal who panders for the Evangelical vote at election time. Open Border / NAFTA highway Rick Perry is the poster child for economic globalism as is his twin Romney.
Meanwhile, GM and GE are outsourcing taxpayer-funded green jobs to Communist China. In addition the GOP leadership and Obama are pushing for more outsourcing of American manufacturing and jobs via a new free trade giveaway (talk radio silent). Boehner said on CNBC that he wants to expand or revise H1-B visas since there is a lack of skilled American workers – yeah, right.
I guess WE are the World. Pro-American, Trump needs to run otherwise America is lost.
Michael Tomlinson| 9.21.11 @ 8:49AM
Trump has been a consistent supporter of liberal Democrats like Obama. Do you think multi-billionaire Trump doesn't have international business interests? What are you smok'n dude?
Mike Hawk| 9.21.11 @ 9:12AM
When a born-again evangelical was nominated by the Democrats and ran as a fiscal conservative, the Democrats had no problem. What's the problem here. Oh, BTW, that was 'The Jimmuh". Problem was he turned out to be an incompetent and an anti-Semite.
Rick Perry is neither of those things and in addition he is "GASP!!" an Eagle Scout. So is his son. So am I.
Bob K.| 9.21.11 @ 9:24AM
It looks like Mike Huckabee moved out of Arkansas to Texas, got a face lift and became Rick Perry!
Mike Hawk| 9.21.11 @ 1:21PM
You have to be kidding. Huckaphoney and Perry have little in common.
Bob K.| 9.22.11 @ 8:31AM
But Perry is not a Phony when he talks religion?
POST American| 9.21.11 @ 9:36AM
-----And speaking of 'evangelicals'--
IS everyone catching 'tell-a-vangelist' and
33rd degree Freemason, Pat Robertson's
pushing of the Masonic expediency and
EUGENICS agenda?
Seems it's now OK, according to him,
to shluff off the spouse of your youth
should they be so 'inconvenient' as to
contract Alzheimer's.
Of course, neither he, nor those other
33rd degree Mason 'christians' frauds,
Billy Graham, Jesse Jackson
--or any other high profile
'christian' you care to name, have said
ANYTHING about GMO foods, CHEM-trails,
the FUKISHIMA world DEPOP OP, micro-chipping,
weaponised vaccines ---OR 4 decades
of systematic Globalist TREASON against the
constituted Republic.
-AGAIN KIDDIES
---CLEAN OUT YOUR CHURCH
IF need be ---LEAVE IT
ER| 9.21.11 @ 9:38AM
What a Relief! Finally our leaders getting back to our ORIGINAL FOUNDING PHILOSOPHY of "endowed by our Creator...." For our enemies, this is the most feared shift of all, and what propelled America to become the greatest, most prosperous civilization in all of history. Which is why such a concerted attack on any and all things Christian. Our AntiAmericans have great reverence for ANY other religions, e.g. liberalism, Marxism, Environmentalism, Abortionism, multi-culturalism. Heck, AntiAmericans are even OK with building a Mosque in the smoldering crater of the Twin Towers! Unfortunately for AntiAmericans, God is insidiously embedded in the matrix of ALL of our FOUNDING DOCUMENTS. Great to see Governor Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, proudly speak of Christian America.
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.21.11 @ 9:55AM
I have continuously chuckled at the "attacks" on Rick Perry.
They are SO skewed and threadbare that they actually more clearly define the man.
Good!
Check out my blog concerning him and Sarah.
www.txbooks.blogspot.com
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 10:44AM
Crazy, isn't it Ken? The lefties call Perry a "Far-out right wing extremist" and the Paul-bots call him a lefty Liberal. Go figure!
mames| 9.21.11 @ 11:10AM
That's what happens when you are a coward or a "pragmatist" and try to please everyone. Perry has issues that scare the hell out of Jeffersonian liberals (conservatives) too.
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 12:04PM
Did you hurt your wrist spinning that? A coward? on what? Trying to please everyone? Yeah, his calling Social Security a Ponzi scheme really pleased everyone.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 12:53PM
You mean like your attacks on me, Ken?
Hypocrite?
You lied and attacked me yesterday, once again throwing me to the ungodly lying wolves in that thread, as is your habit.
You attacked even the Bible that I sometimes quote from because it doesn't suit you, just to try and turn others against me. That Bible I sometimes use is taken from the original languages, Greek and Hebrew and yet you trash a Christian for it.
Here, let me warn you from God's Own Words about what you are not going to get away with.
Which version will you try and fight against here?
It is the Word of God:
No matter which version you use, the message is clear. Read it and weep, disseminator.
Proverbs 15:5:
KJV
A false witness shall not be unpunished, and [he that] speaketh lies shall not escape.
NKJV
A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who speaks lies will not escape.
NLT
A false witness will not go unpunished, nor will a liar escape.
NIV
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who pours out lies will not go free.
ESV
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will not escape.
RVR
El testigo falso no quedará sin castigo, Y el que habla mentiras no escapará.
NASB
A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who *tells lies will not escape.
RSV
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who utters lies will not escape.
ASV
A false witness shall not be unpunished; And he that uttereth lies shall not escape.
YLT
A false witness is not acquitted, Whoso breatheth out lies is not delivered.
DBY
A false witness shall not be held innocent, and he that uttereth lies shall not escape.
WEB
A false witness shall not be unpunished, and [he that] speaketh lies shall not escape.
HNV
A false witness shall not be unpunished. He who pours out lies shall not go free.
VUL
testis falsus non erit inpunitus et qui mendacia loquitur non effugiet
WLC
עֵד שְׁקָרִים לֹא יִנָּקֶה וְיָפִיחַ כְּזָבִים לֹא יִמָּלֵֽט׃
LXX
μάρτυς ψευδὴς οὐκ ἀτιμώρητος ἔσται ὁ δὲ ἐγκαλῶν ἀδίκως οὐ διαφεύξεται
GOD| 9.21.11 @ 6:34PM
Peter, get Satan on the phone; I've had it with this Margie chick!
Satan| 9.21.11 @ 10:48PM
I couldn't do better myself.
I am so proud of my Margie.
Want to see her speak in tongues!!!
DUNG BEETLE| 9.22.11 @ 1:10AM
I can't work with these two. I'm going back to the real thing.
Satan| 9.22.11 @ 1:24PM
Margie
Use your real name!!!
DUNG BEETLE| 9.22.11 @ 3:14PM
Even I know if your were really using your real name you would know who I am.
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.21.11 @ 7:06PM
Margie, we were called to be witnesses.....NOT prosecuters.
God bless.
GOD| 9.21.11 @ 8:06PM
Ken,
Apparently Margie didn't get the memo. Funny, too, seeing as how it's right there in my book...
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 9:22PM
Then repent of what you are doing to me, Ken.
And we are called to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Something you do not do, and something for which you join with the Papists to try and shut me up.
You're a FRAUD.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 9:25PM
And p.s. Ken: STUFF IT, BUDDY.
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 10:13AM
"CONCORD, N.H. – In spite of his thundering speeches against big government, Texas Gov. Rick Perry has a troubled relationship with the tea party, a rift increasingly obvious as he gets closer to a presidential bid.
Tea party groups from New Hampshire to Texas are collaborating to criticize Perry's record on immigration, public health and spending and his former affiliation with the Democratic Party.
"It's real easy to walk into church on Sunday morning and sing from the hymnal. I saw a guy that talked like a tea party candidate but didn't govern like one," said Debra Medina, a Texas tea party activist who challenged Perry in the 2010 Republican gubernatorial primary. "I still don't think he governs like the conservative he professes to be."
Texas conservatives recently shared material on Perry's record with the New Hampshire Tea Party Coalition, which dedicated a section of its website to the Texas governor. The coalition offers links to negative media coverage and videos about the man who it says "was Al Gore's Democrat chairman" in 1988. Perry switched to the Republican Party in 1989, around the same time as other conservative Democrats."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 11:17AM
Clint,
Still beating that drum huh? You have been posting about all of these Tea Party groups (that all seem to be in two states) since Perry announced his run. This tune of yours doesn't seem to be catching. Perhaps it's time to find new material.
In fact, it's time to get new cut/paste material. This little gem of yours is from July 20th. BEFORE Perry announced his run.
http://www.rightspeak.net/2011.....rties.html
Seems only 9 people bothered to comment on it then, too. And yet after that Perry still got a majority of the Tea Party support in a AUG 29th poll, after your posted article.
http://www.rightspeak.net/2011.....rties.html
Talk about a dead horse.
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 11:18AM
Second link should have been.
http://content.usatoday.com/co.....up-poll-/1
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 2:19PM
"Mike Wilson, the founder of the Cincinnati Tea Party, conducted a straw poll before the debate watch and a second one afterwards. A straw poll is a non-binding poll where participants are given a ballot, mark a candidate and drop it in a box.
The results were most interesting:
• Ron Paul, the Texas congressman, was the clear favorite, with 51 votes before the debate and 52 votes after.
• Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who burst on to the scene a few weeks ago, to become an immediate top tier candidate, didn’t do himself much good with the Cincinnati tea party crowd – he went from 41 votes before the debate to 25 after."
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 4:25PM
Interesting I could not find this poll you mentioned on their website anywhere.
http://www.cincinnatiteaparty.org/index.htm
I did find it in a Cincannati website and it says there were a whole 300 people polled. Yes, the result came out like you said, but read down a little farther and you will see a interesting quote by the man you mentioned yourself, Mike Wilson.
But the interesting part was this: nearly half of the 300 tea party folks didn't cast a vote. In the pre-debate straw poll, 154 voted; 161 cast a ballot in the post-debate poll.
"There's a lot of tea party people who are sitting back, listening, and taking our time to make up our minds,'' said Wilson, who had given Tim Pawlenty an early endorsement but who is uncommitted now.
"I don't think you are going to see the tea party coalesce around one candidate for quite a while," Wilson said. "Tea party people are independent."
http://news.cincinnati.com/art.....l-Ron-Paul
So seems that only 154 people even voted at the poll you mentioned. Pretty weak if you ask me.
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 2:23PM
Tea Party Coalition Endorses Dr. Ron Paul for President
"The Tea Party Coalition of Western NewYork leads the nation and endorses the Thomas Jefferson of our Century, Congressman Dr. Ron Paul for President of the United States."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Dick Nome| 9.21.11 @ 7:10PM
Genuine Tea Party organizations don't endorse anybody so this is a Crock of excrement. BTW, Your guy says he'd consider the Kook Liberal Dennis Kucinich, forthwith Kookcinich, in his cabinet. Ron Paul has kooks in his closet. Paulbots who can justify this are kookier than Kookcinich, but that fits.
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 11:46PM
Wrong !
Do Your Homework,Israel Firster Clown.
We Tea Party Patriots Of The Tea Party Patriots Umbrella Group Don't Formally Endorse Candidates, As A Group , But We Vote & Straw Poll For Them.
You're Another Israel Firster Propganda Clown.
Groups, Such As Tea Party Express Do Endorse, I Believe.
Doctor Right| 9.21.11 @ 1:06PM
Dumb-Du-Du-DUMB!!!
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 2:30PM
"Sarah Palin called out Texas Gov. Rick Perry by name Monday night after the GOP debate, criticizing his participation in “crony capitalism” and for deciding he “was going to know better” than parents what was best for their daughters’ health.
Ms. Palin was referring Mr. Perry’s 2007 executive order that required sixth-grade girls to be vaccinated against a sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer. At the time, his former top aide was a lobbyist for the vaccine maker, Merck & Co."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Nite| 9.21.11 @ 9:36PM
You make it sound like all the tea party groups agree on everything. Not so fast! Even the ones around Dallas don't agree except on a few basic things. You don't like Rick Perry, but I do and so does a lot of people. Guess you support Bachmann, but she is in over her head in this fight.
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 11:48PM
Read The Tea Party Patriots Mission Statement.
That's What I Agree About Little Ricky Perry Algore Cheerleader.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 1:00PM
Just a note, and it's the truth. If Rick Perry is a committed, serious evangelical (which ALL true Christians are), then he will not cower to the Left, and he will not be liberal in his policies.
If he's a lukewarm Christian, we will see him do all of the above.
We will know him by his fruit, as Jesus says. Mt. 7:20.
Purple Lips| 9.21.11 @ 1:43PM
Jimmy Carter was/is a feverent Baptist (Bible believing Christian who serves, as you say, The Truth). I didn't realize that Fundementalist use political affiliation to determine who and who isn't Christian. BTW, GWB is a committed Methodist; his wife is also a committed Pro Choice activist. And from what I can tell, it was GWB's wife who saved his life from booze and coke.
Perhaps we shouldn't be so quick to damn everyone to eternal fire based on thier politics.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 1:53PM
Hey Papist,
quit being a liar like your pals, JP, Ken, Clint, and others here.
I didn't damn anyone.
I simply spoke truthfully.
Papists just HATE that.
Too bad.
And while you're at it, quit twisting my words and adding things I never said.
Jerk.
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 2:32PM
Uh Oh !
Satan's Niece Is In The Building, Hissing At Catholics, Again.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 2:43PM
You have a brother in Ken, the liar. He agrees with you. You should be happy, punk.
Ad Hominem| 9.21.11 @ 6:35PM
Margie,
Learn a new song, honey. We've all had quite enough.
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 11:34PM
Your Satan's Bigot Pennsy Pig Margie.
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 12:43AM
You have a brother in Ken, the other Papist, Clint.
Aren't you happy?
He agrees with you concerning me.
But that isn't going to shut me up, PUNK.
Bible believing Christians don't shut up till they're dead.
Have at me. pervert.
steve in ohio| 9.21.11 @ 1:02PM
As an evangelical, I would prefer a Christian president. Unfortunately, the two recent presidents who were most vocal about their faith--Carter and GWB--were disasters. Ironically a divorced actor who did not consistently attend church has been the favorite president of most believers (myself included). We need to be careful we don't get fooled again.
Mike Hawk| 9.21.11 @ 1:20PM
GWB was not a disaster. Ronald Reagan was a man of faith. None of the mentioned people were particularly vocal about it, they just had no qualms about answering in the affirmative. Carter was a disaster because of his politics, not his faith.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 1:34PM
Attending a physical building and calling it going to church isn't what makes anybody a Christian.
Seeking, speaking, and serving the Truth does.
And NO ONE is perfect, not even GWB. But he was certainly better than the present occupant of the People's House.
sirbourbon| 9.21.11 @ 2:14PM
Evangelicals have, perhaps, been missled by the historically ignorant and constitutionally weak evangelical big named pastors that come across our television screens.
Preaching war, pushing vitamins and let "God handle it" neo-theology.
Preaching war on "the order of the caliph" -caliphate
I've heard Christians that they have the Old Testament on their side; that being pro war is the Christian thing to do in supporting a "war on terrorism." But my reading of the OT has God as the commander not politicians and their bosses at the Bilderberg castle. God is used as prop by politicians but they do weave a clever line as they ingratiate themselves to TV preachers. In their heart the Madison Avenue Perry's of the world are beholden to the Council on Foreign Relations. Don't believe it? Hillary Clinton says the CFR sets foreign policy and she's the Secretary of State! She said it, so it must have some validity :http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/election/1447
The question is why aren't evangelicals preaching Jesus' beatitudes? Does "blessed are the peacemakers" no longer apply in the 21 century? Why aren't TV evangelists exposing the fraud of aggressive war and the crime of "preemptive strikes" with drones and bombs to a people that have not attacked you? (Iraq did not attack us.That myth has been debunked even by G.W. Bush.)
Christians are supposed to teach and practice peace and love and compassion towards everyone. Christians are also suppossed to defend their families and country. Defensive war is justified from the Christian Just war theory. But war to change a country's political form of government or a war for oil or to look for weapons that don't exist is plainly doing the devil's work. You're murdering people not to advance freedom but to advance a political agenda.
Christians forget that he devil is clever and uses war to his advantage. The CFR/Bilderberg conspirators are using war to build a NWO - an order that Christians will not be wecomed in!
The devil uses the all consumming ambitions of politicians to advance his agenda.Perry is such an ambitious creature that will say anything and do anything to get himself into power. Conning the evangelical preachers seems to have become the route to take. Bush was advised by Karl Rove to snuggle up to them and they gave their blessing to Bush that as soon as he could began to push for a European Union type system they were calling the Free Trade Area of the Americas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOAk-7F1EVU
It would do the world a huge good if the TV evanlgelicals didn't receive another dime to keep their fluff Christianity on the air. Bring back the Black robed preachers that led this young nation out of bondage from the tyranny of the World Order of their day! These preachers could spot a phony a mile away. They'd have no trouble picking Perry as a fraud.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 2:19PM
What a bunch of Pap.
Christians aren't "Pro-War."
Your premise is all bunk.
No one's buying, thanks. We already gave at the office.
sirbourbon| 9.21.11 @ 9:31PM
When the people of this nation elect men like Ben Franklyn I'll agree. Ben said that "there never was a bad peace nor a good war."
Tune your radio to Shawn Hannity,Rush, Levine or the other neocon raio shows and listen to the war mongers call in.
Call in and ask Shamitty and speak your mind that you agree with Tony Bennett. Wait what Shamitty says. He claims to be a Christian and a "good American." But he is jsu abig mouth and a lousy Christian.
sirbourbon| 9.21.11 @ 9:50PM
My pfemise is that a dupe is a dupe regardless of his religion. Do you know of one TV evangelist that has come out preaching against Obama's war? I hope they do wake up and begin to preach the Gospel of Jesus instead of stirring up their fans with words like this:
On the September 18, 2006, edition of National Public Radio's Fresh Air, Hagee discussed Islam, stating, "those who live by the Qur'an have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews... it teaches that very clearly." He then proceeded to characterize the military threat posed by those who follow Islamic scripture: "There are 1.3 billion people who follow the Islamic faith, so if you're saying there's only 15 percent that want to come to America or invade Israel to crush it, you're only talking about 200 million people. That's far more than Hitler and Japan and Italy and all of the Axis powers in World War II had under arms."
sirbourbon| 9.21.11 @ 9:50PM
My pfemise is that a dupe is a dupe regardless of his religion. Do you know of one TV evangelist that has come out preaching against Obama's war? I hope they do wake up and begin to preach the Gospel of Jesus instead of stirring up their fans with words like this:
On the September 18, 2006, edition of National Public Radio's Fresh Air, Hagee discussed Islam, stating, "those who live by the Qur'an have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews... it teaches that very clearly." He then proceeded to characterize the military threat posed by those who follow Islamic scripture: "There are 1.3 billion people who follow the Islamic faith, so if you're saying there's only 15 percent that want to come to America or invade Israel to crush it, you're only talking about 200 million people. That's far more than Hitler and Japan and Italy and all of the Axis powers in World War II had under arms."
big bob| 9.21.11 @ 11:21PM
With all DUE respect, I dont really care what any of these people say...the only authority as it relates to spiritual things is the Bible. Sorry, you Muslims, the Koran carries no significance with me. I'm just sayin.... sirbourbon, I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish by quoting people. They almost never get it right consistently. But the Bible, now that's another story!!
sirbourbon| 9.22.11 @ 12:20AM
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with your post.
But try telling us what you think Jesus meant by "blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called the children of God." Can you handle that one without quoting an expert?
Christians are supposed to be peacemakers and not warmakers?
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 1:12AM
big bob~ he along with the other liars here, Ken, Clint, RCV, Nick, among others are due NO respect.
Keep speaking God's Truth here.
skip| 9.21.11 @ 11:43PM
We get it. War is bad. Peace is good.
Do us all a favor.
Name one time in the history of mankind when there was peace.
That was not preceded by - a direct result of - war.
sirbourbon| 9.22.11 @ 12:42AM
And your point is that the cycle of war is good because _____...
Is it because war provides the Bush's and Obama's of American politics the opportunity to gain power over the citizenry via Patriot acts and Homeland Security departments. Boy how much safer are we today with all that excessive government surveillance? It must make Neocondia salivate thinking of the nazi uniforms they'll be modeling at the next big step into the total police state.
I love quotes and Madison is one of my favorites to quote and he had quite a bit to say about war was the means to destroy the American Republic.
And I love the Gospel of Jesus. His is one of love and peace.
skip| 9.22.11 @ 1:27AM
My point is there has never been peace without it being established by war. I'm surprised you couldn't figure that out.
Nice touch with all the emotional prattle. Yeah, us warmongers want every constitutional protection of liberty destroyed possible. Can't put anything by you.
Quotes are great. Stopped clocks and blind squirrels.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure." (Thomas Jefferson)
"You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come." (Matthew 24:6)
You liberals fight reality whatever the cost. The Founding Fathers didn't. And neither did Christ.
no hussein 2012| 9.21.11 @ 5:24PM
Anything anti muzzie is a good thing.
Kelly Staples| 9.21.11 @ 5:31PM
Wasn't Falwell one of the cretins who blamed 9/11 on the U.S.A. even as bodies were being pulled from the smoking ruins?
Robert Morrow | 9.21.11 @ 7:54PM
I think Rick Perry has "San Francisco Values" and it is only a matter of time before this explodes his campaign. Rick Perry is a Mount Everest of Hypocrisy who is lying to everyone, voters, donors, everyone about who he really is.
http://www.stuffedsuits.com/ne.....ry-and-men
Nite| 9.21.11 @ 9:40PM
I strongly disagree with your comments. I am from TX and know very well what Rick Perry stands for and he certainly is not a San Francisco liberal nor is he lying. He is flat spoken and a social, fiscal, and pro-life conservative. Guess you support one of the other candidates or are liberal.
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 11:52PM
Rick Perry supported Lance Armstrong's 3 billion dollar Texas taxpayer funded medical research center. That’s like ObamaCare. That’s not free market.
Rick Perry, secured a 300 million dollar business handout slush fund for him and just the two leaders of the legislature to dole out to whomever he felt like being friendly to. That’s corporate welfare, a recipe for corruption, and as bad as the TARP bailouts that caused the Tea Parties to explode all across America. In fact, Perry gave 20 million dollars to Countrywide Financial, which later went bankrupt.
He supported a new state business tax. He set up toll road tax collection booths all over Texas highways. The Austin Tea Party and the Austin Toll Party booed him on the steps of the state Capitol for that.
Rick Perry, signed an executive order mandating young Texas schoolgirls to get the HPV vaccine, while his former chief of staff was a lobbyist for Merck. Perry's judgment was so bad the Texas legislature revolted against him and overturned his decision,"
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Carpe Diem.
Robert Morrow | 9.21.11 @ 7:58PM
Rick Perry is a one who uses his Christian witness as a political weapon to get millions of votes. He is one of those Pharisee hypocrites who prays in a football stadium when he should be praying in a closet as the Bible says.
I live here in Austin, TX and I can confirm to you that Rick Perry for 30 years has lived a dirty double life every much in the gutter as Bill Clinton. Most primary sources do not want to talk, but eventually some will come forward.
http://stuffedsuits.com/news/n.....ran-values
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 9:24PM
Ken the lying PUNK would agree with you on this, your first paragraph. Mr. Morrow.
Preach it, baby.
And then stuff it.
sirbourbon| 9.21.11 @ 9:32PM
Good post!
Nite| 9.21.11 @ 9:43PM
Maybe you are the Ron Paul supporter who has put an advertisement in the paper about wanting to find anyone who has slept with Rick Perry and was willing to pay a large amount of money. If you are that sleazeball, then you should be ashamed of insulting his wife and children.
Nite| 9.21.11 @ 9:45PM
That reply was to Mr. Morrow with those slanderous comments.
Clint| 9.21.11 @ 11:53PM
Rick Perry supported Lance Armstrong's 3 billion dollar Texas taxpayer funded medical research center. That’s like ObamaCare. That’s not free market.
Rick Perry, secured a 300 million dollar business handout slush fund for him and just the two leaders of the legislature to dole out to whomever he felt like being friendly to. That’s corporate welfare, a recipe for corruption, and as bad as the TARP bailouts that caused the Tea Parties to explode all across America. In fact, Perry gave 20 million dollars to Countrywide Financial, which later went bankrupt.
He supported a new state business tax. He set up toll road tax collection booths all over Texas highways. The Austin Tea Party and the Austin Toll Party booed him on the steps of the state Capitol for that.
Rick Perry, signed an executive order mandating young Texas schoolgirls to get the HPV vaccine, while his former chief of staff was a lobbyist for Merck. Perry's judgment was so bad the Texas legislature revolted against him and overturned his decision,"
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Carpe Diem.
POST American| 9.21.11 @ 11:46PM
----------------------BOTTOM LINE--------------------
----BTW, everyone catching how Rockefellow
media is covering up, indeed, out n' out lying
about the deadly Garadasil injection scandal?
Remember, vaccines have been linked by scholarly
research to BOTH the Spanish Flu
world epidemic of 1918 (40 MILLION dead)
---AND, the more recent HIV epidemic.
CHECK OUT the background for that in the
smallpox injection campaigns in Haiti.
Remember! ----vaccines are classified, by
medical texts themselves, as INVASIVE
SURGERY.
Once you take a vaccine ---you CANNOT
take it out ----EVER.
We are, at this moment, dealing with about
the twelfth person of our little circle facing
a bizarre, possibly lethal, cancer. Stuff we'd
never heard of.
Google up the background on EUGENIST
Dr. Jonas Salk's polio vaccine--being filled
with LIVE cancer viruses. They are designed
to sleep in your system until late middle age,
when your hormones change. Then the fun
starts.
---Look around you. SEE the results.
-----------HUAC MEETS NUREMBERG 2012-------
Mrs. Wharton| 9.22.11 @ 5:22PM
As an ex-Papist. Kind of. Wasn't much of one when I should have been one.
As another poster once wrote somewhere: "How come all the Popes have Pope faces?"
To Margie: Lighten up on Catlicks. There are a lot of good, pious folk in the fold. But I hear you. Still, rise above, if it's Jesus you're after 'imitatin.
Yes, he gave it to those who needed it but good, but if rumor is true, He's God so He can do it without sinning, but you and I can't. As Ross Perot would say: "follow me?"
Evangelicals have always been good to me. They assume a good nature, and a deeply buried faith but they're imagining or projecting. Nevertheless, their 'outreach?' Always lovely.
Perry is an ex-Democrat. That's not a problem for me, but it is a mixed bag of goods and services.
Tonights's Debate is really important. I hope he knows that.
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 11:21PM
I'll lighten up on any Catholic as soon as they quit lying.
And I have nothing against individuals~ who don't lie. It's the DOCTRINE that is not of God, and I'll never stop saying it.
Anyhow, Rick Perry? Nope. Herman Cain's my guy. Been praying for him and he was the star tonight.
And not in a Hollyweird way, but in truth.
Remember, Mrs. W.~ stay near to God, and He will stay near to you. You don't need Religion, you need Christ.
Me too.
Let's pray for each other, ok?
Thanks!
Mrs. Wharton| 9.22.11 @ 5:29PM
What torment it must be to be young and Gay. To know that you cannot want what you want and that changing that, even if the desire is there, is a cross of enormous weight.
I can imagine the thoughts of a gay man wanting to rid himself of the desire. To know that to practice is to turn desire to habit and habit to fixed condition.
How often a young one must ask, 'please take this chalice from me!'
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 11:27PM
True. But with God all things are possible. That's why there needs to be more Bible believing Christians out there telling them that it doesn't have to be their choice. That the World is lying to them about it.
The Bible says that the whole World is in the power of the Devil. When young people are shown the truth, that the Devil is lying to them about Sin, they are relieved, and see the hope in Christ. Once they pray and ask Jesus for the forgiveness of all their sins and ask Him for the Holy Spirit to come inside their hearts, they become a child of God, and have the power to reject sin of any kind.
Like the Apostle Paul said:
"Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I of myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin." Rom. 7:24 & 25.
pastafarian| 10.17.11 @ 9:59AM
We need to keep adults with Imaginary Friends as far away from power as we can.