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The Obama Watch
His Biggest Big Lies
Good morning, suckers: President Obama is playing you.
If you work hard, play by the rules, save your money, create jobs, and make a success out of yourself, President Obama and the Democrat party will plunder everything you have worked so hard for, because in their view that is only fair.
That is the meaning of the policies President Obama is espousing as he campaigns for re-election around the country this week. As Mark Steyn has explained, there is no bill yet that the President is demanding Congress pass, it won’t create any jobs, and there is no money to pay for it. It is just a traveling road show, and we need to start to hold accountable our relatives, friends and neighbors who would fall for it, and thereby darkly threaten the entire future of America.
Calculated Deception
Campaigning for re-election on Monday, President Obama said,
Middle-class families shouldn’t pay higher tax rates than millionaires and billionaires. That’s pretty straightforward. It’s hard to argue against that. Warren Buffet’s secretary shouldn’t pay a higher tax rate than Warren Buffett. There is no justification for it. It is wrong that in the United States of America, a teacher or a nurse or a construction worker who earns $50,000 should pay higher tax rates than somebody pulling in $50 million. Anybody who says we can’t change the tax code to correct that…. They should have to defend that unfairness — explain why somebody who’s making $50 million a year in the financial markets should be paying 15 percent on their taxes, when a teacher making $50,000 a year is paying more than that — paying a higher rate. They ought to have to answer for it.
Let me educate you, Mr. President, even though I am quite certain you are not interested in hearing any answer that contradicts your committed religious beliefs. But the truth is that the unfairness you discuss is a fantasy. The facts are just the opposite.
Even before you were elected, Mr. Obama, under the tax policies adopted by President Reagan, House Speaker Newt Gingrich, and the much vilified President George W. Bush, official IRS data for 2007 showed that the top 1 percent of income earners paid more in federal income taxes than the bottom 95 percent combined! The top 1 percent of income earners that year earned 22 percent of income but paid 40.4 percent of total income taxes. When Reagan became President, the top 1 percent paid 17.4 percent of income taxes, as I note in my recent book, America’s Ticking Bankruptcy Bomb. As Jack Kemp used to say, if you want to soak the rich, cut tax rates. Moreover, the bottom 40 percent plus of income earners now pay no federal income tax on net as a group.
So if “the rich” are not paying their fair share, Mr. President, what would that fair share be? Based on these official facts, for you to run around the country telling America that we could have jobs and balance the budget and solve the debt crisis you are creating if the rich would just pay their fair share of taxes only demonstrates that you are not qualified to be President. Either you don’t understand the basics of America’s tax policies even after you have been President for three years, or you are engaged in calculated deception thinking your fairy tale will fool enough gullible people that you can be re-elected despite an economic record so bad that it is threatening to rival the Great Depression.
As the Wall Street Journal further explained yesterday, in 2008 official IRS data shows that taxpayers earning over $1 million paid an average federal income tax rate of 23.3 percent. Those earning between $500,000 and $1 million paid an average federal tax rate of 24.1 percent. As the Journal further elaborated, “that is more than twice the 8.9% average rate paid by those earning between $50,000 and $100,000, and more than three times the 7.2% average rate paid by those earning less than $50,000. The larger point is that the claim that CEOs are routinely paying lower rates than their secretaries is Omaha hokum.”
Actually it is a Warren Buffett scam. His company that made him rich, Berkshire Hathaway, itself is a sophisticated tax shelter. If tax rates are raised, that will only lead more of the wealthy to flee to investing in his company to avoid the abusive multiple taxation. The IRS claims that Buffett’s company owes a billion dollars in back taxes. If Buffett thinks the rich don’t pay their fair share, why is he fighting this? Why doesn’t he just pay his fair share as required under current law?
Buffett is just playing all of us like President Obama is. What a disgrace that our public debate has fallen this low, to this level of rank, manipulative dishonesty.
And the above doesn’t even count the corporate income tax. America suffers from virtually the highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world, nearly 40 percent on average counting state corporate income taxes. Even Communist China has a 25 percent corporate rate. The average rate in the European Union, which is reputedly mostly socialist, is even less than that. In formerly socialist Canada, the corporate tax rate is 16.5 percent, slated under current law to fall to 15 percent next year. Compared to America, Canada has been booming since Obama was mistakenly elected.
The Obama/Buffett ruse arises just like any other magician’s trick. It focuses attention on just one tax rate paid on income arising from capital investment — the capital gains tax rate of 15 percent. The florid abusive rhetoric distracts from the multiple taxation of that income, which is actually taxed at least four separate times under our tax code. Capital investment income is taxed first by the above mentioned, abusive, internationally uncompetitive corporate income tax. If any is paid out as dividends, then it is taxed again by the individual income tax. If the value of the capital interest, say a share of stock, manages to increase in the Obama depression, then it is taxed again by the capital gains tax. If anything is left at death, then it is subject to taxation again by the death tax.
Moreover, a basic principle of our tax code is that any business expenses incurred to produce income are deductible in the year they are incurred. But not the expenses of capital investment. Those expenses can only be deducted over several years under depreciation rules, which is yet another form of discrimination and plunder of capital investment. Moreover, the money devoted to any capital investment has already been taxed when it was earned, so that is effectively still more taxation of the same income.
That is how the top 1 percent of income earners ends up paying more than the bottom 95 percent combined. And it is why the average tax rate paid by millionaires is three times the average rate paid by the middle class.
About the Author
Peter Ferrara is Director of Entitlement and Budget Policy at the Heartland Institute, General Counsel of the American Civil Rights Union, Senior Fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, and Senior Policy Advisor on Entitlements and Budget Policy at the National Tax Limitation Foundation. He served in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Reagan, and as Associate Deputy Attorney General of the United States under President George H.W. Bush.
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Robbins Mitchell| 9.21.11 @ 6:26AM
Well,none of this is really all that surprising...Barokeydoke's entire life is a put up job....a fraud inside and out
ENOUGH ROPE| 9.21.11 @ 3:06PM
Obama is competent about his now not so hidden agenda to destroy the United States.
Perhaps Solyndra, Light Squared, and Fast and Furious will undo Obama's evil in a way parallel to Al Capone's evil being undone by taxes instead of by conviction for his root evils.
Sanjay | 5.21.12 @ 5:15PM
Obama is just a puppet of blood sucking Jewish parasites. Gullible zombie whites are clueless.
We haven't had a free president since JFK.
Jew controls banking system, foreign policy, IRS, FBI, CIA and Whitey is the useful idiot who embraces open borders and tax/borrow/print plunder by the Jewish blood sucking leech.
Whitey is becoming poor and less free every day. Whitey is aging, shrinking, dying every day. And whitey wonders why? Whitey blames puppet Obama, not the Jew puppet master lurking behind the curtain.
Whitey goes to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Whitey bleeds and bankrupts.
Christian Zionists, Evangelicals are gullible zombies, useful idiots for Jewish parasite.
Alan Brooks| 9.21.11 @ 6:06PM
Then you have to do better next year. Running McCain was NOT doing better. Living in the Heartland, I know America is very old fashioned; if you had run a 1st rate candidate in '08 you would have won.
But you are rebellious, you think: "we'll run whomever we damned well please", then you are surprised when you lose.
Alan Brooks| 9.21.11 @ 6:08PM
and you repeated the mistake you made in '96 of running a silly old man who got into govt. merely for being a Vet and for no other reason.
Alan Brooks| 9.21.11 @ 6:21PM
I repeat this over & over because you repeat the same mistakes hoping for a different outcome- as you've been doing since 1992.
And you were surprised Clinton won? You go on ceaselessly about competition yet you run noncompetitive candidates, expecting the electorate to vote for them merely because you want them to. Then you are injured innocence: "how could Bob Dole and McCain lose?", you thought, when it was predictable they would.
It would be water under the bridge but the worry is you will botch it up again next year. You did so well with Ike and Reagan, then you pissed it away by running the candidates tricky Nixon and slippery Bush.
carnot| 9.21.11 @ 6:24PM
hmmm...and the "valid" reasons/criteria for any citizen to get into government might be?
and...btw.....you have no idea what his reason's were for seeking a life of public service. good or bad...they were more complex than the caricature you dribble.
Alan Brooks| 9.21.11 @ 7:23PM
"you have no idea what his reason's were for seeking a life of public service."
No, the reasons he was nominated by those who urged him on and those who nominated him, NOT his personal reasons- who knows what goes on in an old RINO's head?
Alan Brooks| 9.21.11 @ 7:24PM
and why would you think a RINO would serve the public to begin with?
But no one says you have to be consistent.
Alan Brooks| 9.22.11 @ 1:21AM
I love Obama, I live good off the stimulus money and other entitlements I have gotten out of the system. He needs re-elected, if he isn't I may have to work for a living and that is unacceptable.
ENOUGH ROPE| 9.22.11 @ 2:41AM
Society benefits when its citizens are productive. Are you benefiting from other citizens' productivity without your producing anything ? If you are, is that just?
Drudge Ette Obama| 9.21.11 @ 6:31AM
The I.R.S. better get that money from Buffett because we need more rat treadmills and superman suits for professional "unemployment insurance collectors".
Buffett is one cool cat - he's enjoyed hanging with the liberal rich for years - remember Katherine Graham and how he crawled into the Washington Post to make money. Legend doesn't seem to align with reality, though. Stroke a check to the I.R.S., Mr. Buffett, and then get out of the news -you are overexposing your public image and it's starting to unravel. I am So Over You...
Shamus| 9.21.11 @ 12:02PM
The IRS claim is against Bershire Hathaway rather than Warren Buffett. Berkshire is a public company with a fiduciary duty to manage shareholder assets. The correct business decision is to make the IRS demonstrate in court that tax is lawfully due. If Buffett simply agreed to the claim, then he might be unfairly delivering other people's money to the government. Buffett should be encouraged to give his own money to the government rather than that of others.
carnot| 9.21.11 @ 6:26PM
true. but I believe the point is about the distinction between talking and walking.
Brian Mc| 9.21.11 @ 6:48AM
I love the opening paragraph. There is a fundamental problem in this country that is being encouraged by liberalism. That problem is the avoidance of that little commandment; "Thou shalt not covet thy neigbor's goods".
I see a huge number of Marie Antoinettes sitting on their hands while waiting for their knight in shining armour to come cantering up on his charger. This mythical character might yet appear. But, in the meantime, the Democrats are gleefully building their guillotines resentful that contrary to their best efforts, Bastille Day has not arrived yet.
I pray that it is not too late to empower this Republic's masses with the fact that it is up to them, and not the federal government, to realize their own determinations and realizations. If the libs have won, and the resentments are too well entrenched, the blades will run red very soon. The "Get Even-ism" is running rampant, the achievers are villified, and the generation that gave us "Everyone Gets a Trophy" will cause the opposite to come true in this real world.
Michael Tomlinson| 9.21.11 @ 6:55AM
If Obama were serious about the rich paying their "fair share" he would excoriate Buffett (whose currently fighting the IRS not to pay his fair share) and other Democrat tax cheats like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, John Kerry . . . You get the picture.
In particular rich Democrats Barack and Michelle Obama could easily pay more taxes if they weren’t so intent on cheating the system. Here is how.
1. Do not utilize itemized deductions.
According to the 2010 Obama personal tax filing, Barack and Michelle Obama claimed $373,289 in standard deductions. Instead of claiming all these deductions, the Obamas could have simply selected to utilize the standard deduction ($11,400 for married couples), thereby boosting their taxable income by $361,889.
By utilizing this strategy, they could have paid an additional $126,661 in 2010 income taxes (utilizing a 35% marginal tax rate).
2. Do not place any money into deferred asset accounts including 401Ks, IRAs, Self-Employed 401Ks, SIMPLE or any other retirement type account.
In 2010, the Obamas contributed the maximum of $49,000 into a Self-Employed 401K. By utilizing this strategy, the Obamas successfully managed to avoid $17,150 in 2010 income taxes.
3. Do not recognize capital losses.
The Obamas managed to take the maximum capital tax loss deduction of $3,000 in 2010. If the Obamas had not recognized a long-term capital loss at some point in the past, they could have paid an additional $1,050 in 2010 federal taxes.
4. Do not utilize the Foreign Tax Credit.
Given that President Obama is hypercritical of U.S. multinational companies for holding assets overseas to avoid high U.S. corporate tax rates, it's almost hypocritical of the president to utilize the Foreign Tax Credit on the individual Form 1040. But that is exactly what he did -- to the tune of $22,215.
If the Obamas had utilized these four simple tax maximizing strategies, they could have paid an additional $167,076 in 2010 federal taxes.
This number would have more than offset the $69,050 they "saved" thanks to the Bush 4.6% marginal tax rate cut on incomes over $200,000.
Mimi| 9.21.11 @ 7:16AM
Brilliant! What a eye opener! CAN THIS INFO GO OUT TO THE Main Stream Media ???....THANKS !!!!
chuck| 9.21.11 @ 7:30AM
Even simpler, just write a check to the United States Treasury. They do accept donations.
Put your money where your mouth is, and pay all you want!
Indy| 9.21.11 @ 9:16AM
Right on and everyone who is preaching for higher taxes and does not do this is a complete hypocrite. Buffett who is "begging" for higher tax rates plans to leave his wealth to the Gates Foundation....why not leave it to the government to redistribute? The sad thing is in the world of 30 sec sound bites, the uninformed fall for this which translates to votes, we have much work to do to wake people up
Should Have Impeached| 9.21.11 @ 3:18PM
Excellent point!
People on this site know wayyy too much about the numbers.... I feel like an intellectual pygmy. (No offense to pygmies.) Guess I have some studying to do.
Intelligent Design| 9.21.11 @ 8:20AM
Great post!
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 10:53AM
Exactly! I wish I could talk to Warren Buffet to tell him that if he feels guilty for paying less of a % than his secretary perhaps he should fire all of his tax accountants that he pays large salaries. Then he can stop taking all those deductions. Just because they are there doesn't mean you HAVE to take them. Once that is done if he still feels guilty, break out his checkbook and write a nice fat check to the treasury to cover his guilt. Problem solved.
Al Adab| 9.21.11 @ 11:27AM
DS:
Buffett could always send a billion bucks to his favorite government agency (or to AmSpec). They do take donations.
What is most disheartening about all this is that there are amongst us still people who believe in this "soak the rich" kill the golden goose type of redistribution. The rich are not rich because we are poor they are rick mostly because of a lot of "luck and pluck".
Government policy should encourage the creation of wealth and wealthy Americans not punish them for success in the name of a false political doctrine.
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 12:06PM
Preach it brother Al!
Al Adab| 9.21.11 @ 12:15PM
Amen DS:
We can all keep it up. Of course most here are the choir and the others refuse to listen.
Kishego| 9.21.11 @ 3:35PM
Hubba Hubba !!! Well said TM, that was excellent. O.k. Allan B.(or any of you other liberal pukes that frequent this sight), please respond, that is as succinct as it gets.
JAWilson| 9.21.11 @ 7:02AM
I know all of this is true. I've read it again again and again. What we need is a counter narrative as simple and clean as Brack's line about Buffet's secretary. When the Republican establishment catches on to that very simple marketing concept, we will win easily.
Redstateboy| 9.21.11 @ 10:22AM
How bout't This JAWilson...?
"Obama Lies!"
Al Adab| 9.21.11 @ 11:28AM
Obama lied, dollar died.
Vince| 9.21.11 @ 11:47AM
Obama lies, the unborn dies.
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 12:07PM
Obama lied, the country damn near died.
We could do this all day.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 1:04PM
Obama lied, hid goose is fried.
As are all liars' gooses.
Fried geese, anyone?
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 1:04PM
his.
HUMOR| 9.21.11 @ 7:23PM
You don't get me, do you, Margie?
Darin| 9.21.11 @ 7:06AM
It's not and never has been about taxes. It's about control. The fundamental belief by liberals that the rest of the population is too stupid to run their own lives and are far better off if they are controlled.
C.S. Lewis had these people nailed. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
Mike D.| 9.21.11 @ 8:11AM
Your first paragraph nails it. Its the leftist basis for existance. In order for them to exist, they have to have and create a captive class of lesser human life(leftists are the intellectual cream of mankind remember) dependant on them. Problem is that this "lessor human lifeform" doesn't create anything or nearly enough of anything to sustain the whole phony setup and thats always the sticky little problem that leftist states always run into. They are religionists to the core, because what they think and beleive has no basis in any kind of reality in the human condition.
Mimi| 9.21.11 @ 7:07AM
Well, well and this this guy wants to be re-elected? What ? With his plans for us it's sure total destruction and economic collapse.
How can one presidency cause this much damage?....and to allow it to continue is unthinkable!
At this point ...and the downright lying so gross, you have to put the blame on his ignorant supporters....greedy for continued power and the financial gain they have enjoyed since he was elected in 2008.
We cleaned house in 2010....It looks like another "CLEAN-OUT" will happen in 2012. Maybe a few brave and non-corrupt players, will do the right thing and "MARCH" up to the Whitehouse....to have a nice talk....it is total irresponsibility to allow this to continue,,,the DAMAGE now too severe!!!!
Timothy L. Pennell| 9.21.11 @ 7:34AM
Again, someone who thinks that this man needs to be "Educated".
He HAS been educated. All of his life.
His Mother was a Communist/Atheist. His Father was a Marxist/Muslim. His Grandparents were Communists. His 1st Mentor was a Communist. His 2nd, was a Marxist. He was raised in Indonesia. He "Sought out the Marxist Professors when I got to College". He started his Political career in a Marxist's living room.
Look at his CZARS!
And, you say that he's a Liar.
Of course, he's a Liar. He's a Democrat. He's a Progressive. He's a Statist and a Marxist, and a Socialist, and a Maoist. He's a LEFTIST.
He's THE ONE they've been waiting for. And, LYING, is only a small part of how they operate.
When a group determines that it will get what they want, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY?
The TRUTH, is the first thing to go.
Lizaed King| 9.21.11 @ 9:46AM
Mr Pennell, you are so accurate. It has become tiresome beyond patience rehashing the nuances of Obama's radical, hateful, identity based, leftist personal and political tendencies! This guy is poison, inside and out. Excluding him and his from our body politic should exclude no prejudice(practical/pragmatic NOT racial).
martin j smith| 9.21.11 @ 7:59AM
Obama does not care about facts. he cares about messaging or propaganda ( agitprop ). But let us never forget that he a product of and supported by the SOCIALIST PARTY USA and with large financial support from the SP INTERNATIONAL and the CPUSA as well, * SPUSA formerly known as the Democratic Party.
Now I have heard buzz that former ( ? ) supporters of Obama are talking Hillary of Clinton. She will be the same thing. She is no moderate and slick Willie is also a phoney as well --and even better than Obama( that is why he survived )
Teaghan| 9.21.11 @ 8:14AM
It's all so horrible and disheartening. The slate of republican candidates make me queezy and I fear we will have 4 more years of this lying man.
As for the Buffet story, doesn't the left know that his company has back taxes that need to be paid? Shit, that may cover the DOJ's $16 muffins and $8 cups of coffee~ This government makes me sick.
Intelligent Design| 9.21.11 @ 8:23AM
@ Teaghan: Relax. Zero Obama doesn't have a prayer. No president except F. Roosevelt has been re-elected in such a horrible economy, with such high unemployment. Mickey Mouse could beat Zero.
Indy| 9.21.11 @ 9:32AM
47% do not pay Federal income taxes, who do you think they will vote for?
States like CA, NY, MA, IL are hopeless, they will remain in the blue column.
Unions, ACORN, the majority of college students, the MSM, the potential for voter fraud, supression of Military absentee ballots, back door amnesty via the Dream Act Exectutive Order, the Fed playing games to prop up the economy, 0% interest rates, we have much to overcome to get educate the masses
How many people really know what is going on? More care about football and pop culture news, they cannot even name the VP, have no idea what quantitative easing means, they believe they have their own individual retirement account in the Social Security Administration, have no clue why Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain and others are going under and the Euro will collapse nor what that will mean to the global economy.
Do you have any idea how poor the GOP ground game is? Try getting volunteers to roll up their sleeves to work in local elections, it seems to be just a few people willing to do the hard work to win elections.
I am not going to relax, I am going to continue to work hard in local, state and national elections
Intelligent Design| 9.21.11 @ 11:32AM
Glad you are working to get conservatives elected. Same here.
Indy| 9.21.11 @ 11:56AM
More $ to ACORN H/T BG
"President Obama has given ACORN $729,849 so far this year and billions more in federal cash may be in the pipeline."
http://biggovernment.com/mvadu.....ky-groups/
ID, we all have to do the heavy lifting, posting comments on sites is not enough, glad to know you are part of boots on the ground I hope all readers here are actively working in local communities, every election matters.
Pigletrios| 9.21.11 @ 8:23AM
The American people should be telling the government what the government's "fair share" to spend of our wages is rather than the government telling us what our "fair share" is to keep.
Mike 3/505| 9.21.11 @ 8:43AM
Hear, hear!
Louis Jenkins| 9.21.11 @ 8:24AM
It's all lies. Told by the supreme lier and chief. These people have no respect, and the latest info from the Dept. of Justice on what they've spent makes me even angrier. As long as we pay, they spend, and what we don't pay, they borrow. Our government is lost, bouncing around like a pin ball. But the one thing they all agree on-SPEND the money.
Laura| 9.21.11 @ 8:25AM
When you're spawned from and groomed out of a supremely corrupt machine, and you're the malleable egomaniacal malignant narcissist/sociopath like this guy, you're never going to get anything fair, just deceit, scams, scandals, and MASSIVE LIES, Period. He isn't going to wake up one morning full of gratitude replacing the seething resentment and hate.. He was given a gift of smooth talking, the smooth talker is the most dangerous of them all.. He''s great at lying, defying gravity, and telling us 1+1 is 3... Corrupt as they come, it's all a front, a put on.. A big show, and like his first run, he has no problem with blatant false promises, lies, and a complete con game of a campaign ... His Change was to bring the U.S. even more pain.. accomplished... the next move won't be as pretty..
tsd| 9.21.11 @ 8:35AM
We read it, we know it, we write about it and yet it keeps going on and on. Seems the majority wants/does not care if this guy cocks it all up and turns our great country into a place we will hate. Why is he and his ilk here doing it to us, why do we let him, could it be no other country would give them the freedom to do it? Always remember that the people who give it away never had to earn it and it will be that much harder for the future generations to earn back. Fight these bastard sons who so easily steal what past generations have sacrificed so much to get, just for us to have a better life!!
Anthony| 9.21.11 @ 9:00AM
All of leftism is a lie and a fraud. Obozo is just the final nail in leftism's coffin.
Come 2012, leftism and its followers will, like the Dodo bird, become extinct.
One huge carbon footprint finally put to its end!!!
Harry| 9.21.11 @ 9:12AM
What a brilliant article, clear and concise, and above all, the truth. Something BO should learn.
Von Mises Jr.| 9.21.11 @ 9:12AM
Obama and his freinds at Solyndra and LightSquare, as well as Buffet are using crony capitalism seeking wealth and power.
At the same time, they are crushing the private sector wealthy investors and business owners.
This is the recipe for SERFDOM. Today we call it STATISM. Progressives wish to take us back before the Industrial Revolution and the birth of capitalism. It is the only way incompetent elitist can maintain control of power.
Kishego| 9.21.11 @ 3:41PM
Love your nom de plume ! I'm a big Von Mises fan.
George S| 9.21.11 @ 9:21AM
Democrats are so anxious to pay taxes they refuse to pay them, illegally shelter income in the Dominican Republic, or literally throw their used underwear at the IRS for a deduction. Good country this America.
no hussein 2012| 9.21.11 @ 9:55AM
The rabble rouser for the 'hood has been gamin' since day one.
POST American| 9.21.11 @ 9:58AM
"You can NOT have secret societies,
occult societies, co-existing with a
free society. YOU CAN'T."
-ALAN WATT
Get Obama, Romney, the Clintons and
Bushes, Perry and ALLLLL the other CFR/RIIA/
NGO puppets OFF our political stage,
and before an HUAC tribunal, once and for all.
"Freemasonry should be
ABOLISHED once and for all."
-JOHN QUINCEY ADDAMS
-------------------------AMEN-----------------------------
Dan Mathewson| 9.21.11 @ 5:56PM
OK, who would replace them?
martin j smith| 9.21.11 @ 10:18AM
Obama is playing the uninformed but then again how many are there. My view is that the "uninformed" group is shrinking.
Obama is desperate and thus dangerous. I would put nothing past this guy to do ANYTHING
to be -re-elected. Thus an object less in reality for those that need it. In addition the former Democratic now in my mind SPUSA is the organ that developed and nurtured and gave birth of Obama. As long as this party SPUSA continues along the class-warfare lingo, race card lingo, victimization lingo they will never be a group that you can trust and thus deal with.
Jack London| 9.21.11 @ 10:29AM
If the existing system is so fair, why has the gap between rich and poor been widening so much?
no hussein 2012| 9.21.11 @ 10:36AM
Dregs from other countries and here going on the dole for the most part!
Indiana Alex| 9.21.11 @ 11:10AM
Is your definition of "fair" equal economic outcomes?
What about the gap between the best baseball players and utility infielders? That's been following the same trend.
The goal of an economy should not be equality of outcomes, but growth in median income. The only way this can be achieved is by growing the economy, which requires investment.
The investment climate in the US is very poor. Companies have no idea what employment costs will be two years from now, so hiring is mostly frozen and further reductions are likely planned.
There is no way to know what tax rates will be even 18 months out, so return on investment is impossible to calculate.
When you are too interested in "spreading the wealth around", rather than encouraging investment, the wealth goes in hiding.
Of course the problem with increased investment from the liberal perview is that the rewards aren't equally distributed.
Of course neither is the baseball talent.
DRed| 9.21.11 @ 11:29AM
The better question to ask is why has unemployment been going up as taxes have gone down. I though lower taxes created jobs.
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 12:10PM
Not if they are "Temporary" lower taxes. Business see the tax breaks coming down the line and adjust their 5 year plans accordingly. As long as Obama keeps wanting to soak the rich and make the cutoff at $200-250K, right where it hits the small business owners in the middle of the back, don't expect that to change either.
Small business owners are the backbone of our Economy and Oboma keeps pushing policies that will fillet them.
DRed| 9.21.11 @ 12:49PM
So these businesses have the opportunity to expand and make more money, but they are choosing not to because a small marginal increase in taxes would slightly reduce their additional profits. That makes absolutely no business sense.
Obama has pushed for a payroll tax cut, right? I see you people are suddenly against that (apparently tax cuts are always good, except when they're not tax cuts for the rich). Is that part of Obama's plan to fillet small businesses?
Indiana Alex| 9.21.11 @ 1:21PM
As the previous poster mentioned, temporary tax cuts do nothing to change behavior.
Classical economic principles suggest that changes in tax rates that encourage investment will result in positive economic developments.
Everything Obama has proposed suggests changes that discourage investment. Look at the tax changes in Obamacare to start with.
The entire economic plan is resulting in individuals and businesses sitting pat, and waiting until this nonsense passes. It won't be very long now.
Truth to Power| 9.21.11 @ 1:28PM
Be bold. Say what you want. Tell the President and make him run his campaign on higher taxes and more regulation. Lets not have another 2008 where he tries to play moderate. Make him bend to your will. If you want climate change laws this is no time to be timid. You guys are acting like a bunch of wimps. Stand up for what you believe in. Polls show that if he would just stand on Progressive principles he would win big. Go for it. I will be watching you through heavy lenses.
Truth to Power| 9.21.11 @ 1:28PM
Be bold. Say what you want. Tell the President and make him run his campaign on higher taxes and more regulation. Lets not have another 2008 where he tries to play moderate. Make him bend to your will. If you want climate change laws this is no time to be timid. You guys are acting like a bunch of wimps. Stand up for what you believe in. Polls show that if he would just stand on Progressive principles he would win big. Go for it. I will be watching you through heavy lenses.
Indiana Alex| 9.21.11 @ 1:30PM
Allow me also to open the curtains of your mother's basement understanding of how business works.
There is no guarantee that a business will make money by expanding. They must take a risk. In order to determine whether the risk is worth taking, they must calculate an expected return on investment.
This is the step that is impossible in this environment.
There is no way to know what taxes will be, let alone employment costs in the next 18 months.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 2:59PM
"Allow me also to open the curtains of your mother's basement understanding of how business works."
LOL. That is priceless!
Great and truthful post, Indiana Alex.
I worked for ten years for a virtually one man business. Two including me and a few sub-contractors that would do the tuffest grunt work.
The owner did do 95% of the work himself, though.
I ran the office and was the everything else part of the business. Secretary, book keeper, scheduler, estimate giver, PR manager. et al.
He existed this way from 1985 and as far as I know is still in business. The point of this all is to say that, I don't know how he did it!
Why? Because it was in New York City! When he chose to become Incorporated, everything went up. I remember having to pay all kinds of fees and taxes for all kinds of things. Every time we'd turn around there were more of them.
This was a small, small business. The government works against you at every turn to punish any kind of success. It's a huge gamble and no, success isn't guaranteed. But just imagine the prosperity and greater success small businesses could have if our government thugs (and that's what they are while they steel almost all of your money) would stay out of our way and LET it happen!
DRed| 9.21.11 @ 4:55PM
I don't live in my mother's basement, Margie. Stop bearing false witness against me!
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 12:47AM
Duh, hey nincompoop, I was quoting someone else.
tsd| 9.21.11 @ 2:18PM
Give me a break!! If and when Obama cuts any tax he add double back somewhere else... it's the oldest con in the books, the bait and switch. If you support him you are a moron at best.
Jack London| 9.21.11 @ 1:03PM
Small businesses don't have 'five year plans'. And job creation is linked to demand, not the personal wealth of business owners, or as DRed says, small corporate tax changes (and you know of course about the loopholes and that our actual corporate tax take as a GDP % is much lower than most other countries).
Indiana Alex| 9.21.11 @ 1:24PM
So close all the "loop holes" and lower the rate so that businesses can spend more time producing, and less time trying to avoid taxes.
Also, businesses producing something that consumers want, at a price they find attractive does more to produce demand than any of your nonsensical Keynesian multipliers. (Unemployment checks spur the economy???!!)
DRed| 9.21.11 @ 1:43PM
Yes, they do. Imagine you're unemployed. You have no income. How much are you able to spend? Now imagine you get a small unemployment check. What are you going to do with that money? Put it in a savings account? Buy bonds? No, you're going to buy necessary goods with it. Things like food and gasoline. That creates demand. Forget economics-that's just common sense.
tsd| 9.21.11 @ 2:25PM
It is a benefit to the individual and the direct supplier, it is a drain on society and should be ended by a real job in the private sector ASAP. Unemployment insurance should never be or become a career as it has now. The entitlement society will always fail!!
Dan Hirsch| 9.22.11 @ 10:09AM
DRed;
Unemployment checks are determined to be much smaller than the former employees former wage. So while unemployment checks do create some demand, they creat FAR less than the recipient's former pay.
AND since the unemployed person does not create any useful product in exchange for the unemployment check, there is no profit for anybody including the tax man gained from the money received as unemployment "compensation."
So DRed, Nancy Pelosi is wrong, and if she would think about it for maybe thirty seconds she would know that. But to some thirty seconds of undivided attention is a LOT.
DTOM
DRed| 9.22.11 @ 4:20PM
Yes, unemployment benefits do not stimulate demand as much as the unemployed persons wage. Nobody anywhere, ever, has argued that they do. So I don't think I see your point. Being employed is better than being unemployed. Likewise, a person who is unemployed is not producing anything. We both agree. So? Ask the merchant whose goods the person on unemployment buys-would he rather have not made those sales?
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 2:08PM
But you forget how many small busniess owners are LLC's. They pay the taxes on their business as part of their personal income, hence they go over the 200-250K limit and run smack into Obama's tax the rich plans.
Then as another poster stated, add the Obamacare taxes for each new employee, along with the increased regulations placed on them, the inflation and increased cost of goods looming over them and you wonder why they are not hiring?
I know Obama wants to give them a one time tax break for hiring vets, which may equal a couple of thousand dollars (one time benifit) in return for the small business owner shelling out many times that for that employees wages, health care, ect.
And you expect him to spend more money than the tax break he will get? I can't follow that logic.
tsd| 9.21.11 @ 2:13PM
Where have tax's gone down??? Fantasy Land??? Tax's, fee's direct and passed on indirectly through tariffs, fuel tax, licensing, wheel tax, tolls and surcharges have lowered our real disposable income for 30 years... that is the fact!!!
George S| 9.21.11 @ 8:40PM
A textbook example of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. The answer is a similar logical fallacy: we didn't cut them enough. You know, like the Stimulus didn't reduce unemployment because Obama did not spend enough :)
George S| 9.21.11 @ 8:28PM
Jack:
The reason for the gap in income disparity is: Government. When Congress trashes the Constitution and assumes powers never delegated, then that creates a black market of defensive lobbying by businesses hoping to be left alone or to rent seek for their unconstitutional goodies or roadblocks to their competitors (think Solyndra -- a billionaire bundler gets richer off our tax dollars without doing any work). This is why Washington DC and the Virginia suburb surroundings are the wealthiest real estate in America. Lobbyists, lawyers, consultants, and the like make an obscene amount of money pulling the levers of power.
The second reason is our monetary policy of deficit spending. In order for Congress to avoid the electoral suicide of cutting entitlements or raising taxes, the Fed obliges them with a fractional reserve policy that allows banks to take a depositor's real dollar and turn it into ten dollars of vapor money (aka 'reserves'). This vapor money is handled by Wall Street which in turn creates investment vehicles that go out as construction loans, mortgages, IPO's etc. Wall street gets their cut as this vapor money moves about, creating very wealthy investment bankers, hedge fund managers, and stock brokers.
You want an example? Rahm Emanuel "earned" 18.5 million dollars over 30 months with Wasserstein, Perella & Co. using polical clout to keep this vapor money coming their way. How many doctors make this kind of money in that time frame? Jack, if that ain't your poster boy for income disparity, I don't know what is.
Next: combine government social tinkering into the mix with Affordable Housing and the plot thickens. By forcing banks to make loans to those who otherwise could not afford a mortgage, the housing market's natural demand was tinkered with. More people entering the market means the prices climb, enticing more purchases and eventually attracting the investor class. As the housing prices soar through the roof, the toxic loans backing the housing market takes on value. Wall Street now comes up with the "derivative", a bundle of worthless loans that has the (wink wink) backing of the federal government via Fannie Mae. Fannie now buys these derivatives and rebundles them for sale to another batch of investors. The directors of Fannie get their cut, or commission, and they, too, join the ranks of the new millionaire class.
So, Jack, is it healthy public policy for government officials to become millionaires selling worthless paper? Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick, et al., became very rich millionaires in a few short years doing what is, frankly, activity that would put an Enron executive in jail (ahem).
And what happens when the housing bubble collapses as working people cannot afford the entrance fee to a starter house? The whole house of cards collapses as that money was fractional reserve vapor to begin with. But the new millionaire class cannot have their vapor wealth evaporate for the political class depends on their contributions (where do you think all these people get all this money to give to, for example, environmental groups?). So what happens? The government takes our hard earned cash, renames it TARP and bails out these vapor money handling institutions -- just to protect the lifestyles and status of the Ruling Class.
So there is you answer, Jack. I'm sure it is something you never expected.
Jack London| 9.22.11 @ 4:58AM
I'm up early - on my way to the airport - but George really this is junk. As you must know, just 400 families in our country control about 50% of the wealth, and multiples of C-level to worker income have shot up hugely in the last few decades. We live in an Orwellian country of capital control by the few over the masses.
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 10:58AM
Obama's the biggest Con artist since Charles Dawson and the "Piltdown man".
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 3:01PM
I'm including Charles Darwin in that comment, too.
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 3:06PM
Duly noted.
KennesawJack| 9.21.11 @ 9:36PM
It's the "Drunken" part that makes him do that.
VCID| 9.21.11 @ 11:46AM
There is an important point buried in this article that everyone should agree upon - that it makes zero sense that those making over $1M pay less % in taxes than those make $500k to $1M.
Quoting from the article quoting from WSJ:
" in 2008 official IRS data shows that taxpayers earning over $1 million paid an average federal income tax rate of 23.3 percent. Those earning between $500,000 and $1 million paid an average federal tax rate of 24.1 percent. As the Journal further elaborated, "that is more than twice the 8.9% average rate paid by those earning between $50,000 and $100,000, and more than three times the 7.2% average rate paid by those earning less than $50,000."
I would be interested to see what those "super rich" making between $250k to $500k (yep, that includes me) pay on average.
Anything less than 10% seems OK to me - regardless of tax bracket, so the $50k under crowd is fine.
Around 25%, maybe even a tad higher for those over $1M, seems fine.
But the fact that over $1M pays a lower % than the $500k to $1M is proof positive that the current tax code is garbage - AND that the complexity favors the "super rich" over the upper-middle class to upper class.
So, the answer is easy - simplify the tax code to fix the inequity that is undeniable.
If that is not possible, or not feasible, go to a flat tax - NO deductions for anyone.
If that is not possible, or not feasible, go to the fair tax.
Unless you are going to eliminate it (ie., fair tax), do not mess with the capital gains rate - a stock market crash will not be pretty.
KaribooKidd| 9.21.11 @ 12:04PM
The power to tax is the power to control and destroy.
The current politicos will never give up that power.
Who Knows?| 9.21.11 @ 11:49AM
“There’s a sucker born every minute.
Never give a sucker an even break.”
There---that’s ALL that has to be said about Obama.
However, I have more to say!
In my naïve youth, during which I, as a newbie, epitomized the “sucker” class of Americans, one of the hooks that dangled in the noosphere was the notion of a missile gap. Those danged commies supposedly had more of them than we did!
Well, after many decades NOW of solidified control of the sucker-making factories, known as public schools, how can anyone be surprised about the arrival of such a flim flam man as Obama into the presidency? The other, more recent, “gap” we were told to fear, was the digital gap---you know, all those “poor” deprived slobs on welfare, etc, who just didn’t have access to computers and the Internet.
It’s scary to realize, but the EDUCATION GAP may just be about as permanent and resistant to overcoming as the programmed adherents of Islam are to being reformed, and joining the REAL world.
What a pickle! The West is, from the bottom up---to wit, the humans are from birth onwards brainwashed by socialistic garbage--- ALREADY composed of a growing sector of humans who are just totally ignorant about history and economics. And, the Muslim slice of humanity is in an even worse condition!
And, then there’s the East---a China seemingly set its ways as a single power tyranny, politically!
Yes, the future is indeed going to be an unfolding of the irrefutable and most basic expression of what it means to be Narcissus---
As Victor Davis Hanson---a must read author---regularly reminds us, the Greeks long ago nailed it: hubris leads to nemesis.
Or, is it the Christians who put it this way---you reap what you sow.
Perhaps we are, as a species, oh so unevolved, NOW, that we resemble the mouse in the following lame joke—
The mouse was happily playing in a field of wheat. Soon, the farmer came to harvest his crop. Before long the machine was upon him, and he screamed---
Help, I’ve been REAPED!
America, the leading nation, could be about to be the first to get REAPED.
shipley130| 9.21.11 @ 2:25PM
America has been getting Reaped for decades. Then we are told to blindly follow some dude that lives in a place called the White House because he won a popularity contest. My sucker moment came when Obama went on his middle east apology tour. I realized the moment Obama was standing in Cairo cowering in front of the Arab hordes, that we have been suckered.
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.21.11 @ 12:00PM
Peter,
all of his lies stem from one HUGE lie.
...his oath of office to support and defend the constitution.
Al Adab| 9.21.11 @ 12:13PM
Ken: you sure have that right. What do we do with a foresworn President?
Dan Hirsch| 9.21.11 @ 12:30PM
Hammer, hammer, hammer on this:
Solyndra, Light Squared, Fast and Furious.
For more information, "Yahoo "Watergate Nixon."
AND NO SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!!! Do it right! Impeach him in the House and try him in the Senate. Let the Senate Democrats wash their hands of him, if they dare!
Twenty three Democrat Senators are up for election next year as are eight Republicans.
Hey! MSM do a little research on how many people watched the Watergate hearings on daytime TV. You could really use the ratings boost, couldn't you? Boy, the most relieved Dem on the planet would be Hillary for not having to be in the Senate and taking BHO out without primarying him...
Don't Tread On Me...
Dan Hirsch| 9.21.11 @ 12:32PM
Oh, yeah, Yahoo Watergate Nixon AND "Bad Economy"
That last part's the most important...
DTOM
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 1:11PM
Al Adab,
Why do you stick with a man who bears false witness against me?
Aren't you a Christian?
Or are you too a lukewarm Darwinian false Christian like Ken, and that is why?
Al Adab| 9.21.11 @ 1:35PM
Oh Margie, you know better than to ask that of me.
Ken has good political insight and I personally know nothing of his Faith. In the real world beyond the blogs I have many friends of many denominations all of whom I consider to be honest Christians.
When sometimes friends disagree it saddens me but changes not my relationship with either.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 1:37PM
When a man lies and trashes another friend of yours, you say and do nothing?
I see.
I will no more consider you a friend, and I say that with a sad heart.
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 2:14PM
Margie,
I am in the same camp as Al. I like and respect you both and take wisdom and solace from what both of you post. Your religous differences are minor to me, yet, they seem to be important to you. That's your right and privilege but to disavow someone for a minor difference seems to be (at least to me) a overreaction. You both worship the same god, with the same principles, just slight different beliefs in the human interpretation of the word.
I beg each of you to agree to disagree. In 99% of things you seem to agree. I apologize if that offends you and understand if you hold it against me but that will not change my good view of either of you.
God Bless you both.
Al Adab| 9.21.11 @ 2:25PM
Thank you DS for your kindness. I find great light in your commentaries here as well and look forward to reading many more.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 2:27PM
When someone crosses the line, no matter how much you may LIKE them or their political views, there should be an obligation to the TRUTH first.
Ken has openly lied about me here several times now.
Sorry, but that makes him not only my enemy, but an enemy of the cross of Christ.
Unless he repents, as the Scripture says, he too will "likewise perish." Lk. 13:5.
Why is it that you can all join together in trashing, and rightly so, the Clints of the world here, but when a man who holds himself up to the status of near Popery here trashes a Bible believing Christian IN THE SAME DISGUSTING MANNER, gets a pass?
YOU must do whatever your conscience sees fit. But I will not keep silent, neither on what the Word of God says, or my own political views are. But ESPECIALLY toward a liar who calls himself Christian.
NO, I will not!
How can you have "a good view" of a liar?
GET OVER IT| 9.21.11 @ 7:49PM
Look, Margie, nobody here gives a shit about your petty grievances with another poster. With all due respect, I hasten to remind you that the title of this site is not "The Margie Spectator".
You're embarrassing yourself with your self-absorbed, self-important, hyperbolic, rants about what you regard as some grave injustice. "Oh, somebody bore false witness against me! Some heathen has blasphemed against me! I declare a holy vendetta upon him!" Yeah, yeah, whatever... we've got our own freakin' problems, lady. I've got a mother-in-law that hasn't stopped talking since the Truman administration and a case of hemorrhoids that would cripple a horse and you don't see me obsessing over it on the AS comment section.
It isn't about you, sweetheart!
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 9:27PM
Hey PUNK:
The tell your PUNK PAL Ken to shut his lying mouth~ OK?
PUNK| 9.22.11 @ 1:15PM
Spoken with the sharp eloquence and profound insight we've all come to expect from this marginally witted, bible thumping, cat lady.
It is, I must admit, quite entertaining, though I do feel a sense of guilt at taking pleasure in watching a fellow human being so carelessly and apparently unwittingly revealing herself to the world as a babbling dingbat.
Go ahead, Margie, let me have it. What'll it be? Papist? Punk? Liar? Surprise me; use one we haven't heard 4 trillion times already....
Al Adab| 9.21.11 @ 2:22PM
That choice indeed saddens me.
I saw nothing in Kens comment above about you.
Were one friend to "trash" another I would correct it. Yet I respect that they can disagree just as many of us here do over just who might be the candidate that best represents Conservatism.
Do we fight each other or do we fight against "Powers and Principalities"?
May God continue to bless you always.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 2:32PM
It wasn't here, Al Adab. It was here:
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.20.11 @ 7:44PM
Well,
I began early this morning asking everyone to try to avoid rants and stupidity, but some of you guys just could not desist.
Margie worships an idol called the "King James Bible".
Evidently she has a crush on the King James interpreters as well.
Please ignore her rants forthwith. They are based upon that crush. She evidently thinks only they had the "holy inspiration".
Many of you know I went to Baylor University and played baseball. I majored in "Christian Family Counseling".
I studied the New Testament in THREE languages over a period of five years...to get "my roots down".
Perhaps more important, I have wept at the feet of Jesus for forty years...for my weakness and stupidity.
Bottom line, I'm a sinner saved by the grace of Jesus Christ. My eternal life began when I was born of the Spirit in 1967.
Uh...eternal means eternal. If I screwed up since...(heh, a LOT)... I have been assured forgiveness.
Margie will be forgiven for her harshness and her crush.
Romans will be forgiven if they are tripped up by "doctrines" enforced upon them.
Roman Popes and Bishops can be forgiven...given a contrite heart.
GO IN PEACE MY BROTHERS! JESUS IS LORD,
and He and His Father will divide the sheep and the goats.
In the meantime, I have the joy of being a Christian.
And here"
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.21.11 @ 9:35AM
Oh well,
when one sticks his hand in a viper's nest, that one must expect to be bitten.
When one confronts a Pharisee, one might expect to be crucified...if there are enough Pharisees.
I am perfectly content and joyful to have my life and eternity in the hands of Jesus Christ.
I believe the Bible is the "inspired Word of God"
there are just too many things about which ALL Christians can rejoice together.
I shall continue to counsel forbearance, and tolerance, and finally "agape' one another as I have loved you".
Jesus said those words to fallen men and women.
To me, one of the most wonderful things about the Synoptic Gospels is that with all of the different "takes" and emphases by the Gospel writers, the "message" comes through...the "Good News" of the advent, teachings, death, and resurection of Jesus Christ on our behalf.
So, in Jesus' name, go in peace my brothers and sisters. Jesus knows His own.
REPLY TO THIS
So, Al Adab,
I am a VIPER, and NOT a Christian to this man.
He seeks to turn everyone against me who posts here.
And this is NOT the first time he's done this.
He also sends me warning e mails to tell me to keep my mouth shut. NO speaking from Scripture else I am a horrible person.
YOU have seen it before.
YOU have made YOUR choice as well, to side with a liar.
Al Adab| 9.21.11 @ 2:47PM
Whatever dispute you and Ken may have doctinally, I would encourage each of you to approach it with Love and understanding. In fact I believe I have attempted to moderate one or two exchanges in the past.
The cause of Christ is one thing, the Conservative cause is another. I am not even aware of your respective denominational preferences. Nor do I think are either of you of mine.
We will leave it at this, "...Love one another."
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 3:04PM
Love does not include the open false witness of me.
that is NOT love.
And denominations mean NOTHING.
Lying? God throws them into Hell.
Christians do NOT allow the open bearing of false witness of one to another.
If they do, they are NOT Christian.
Maybe Religionists, but NOT Christian.
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.21.11 @ 9:32PM
Margies' "denomination" seems to be the "denomination of Margie"...population, One; Margie.
I'm comfortable with that. I grew up Baptist. We believe in the "priesthood of each individual Christian".
Margie has taken up her cross.
I certainly respect that.
On the other hand, I can tease her if I want to.
She is a majority of one. (smile)
She dismisses millions of committed Christians, living and passed on as "papists".
Darn, she must be lonely being a "church" of one.
...all the rest of you sinners like me.....Go In Peace, heh, and don't elect Margie.
As President, she might consign all of you to hell.
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 12:49AM
Keep it up Ken, you freaking lying scumbag.
May you rot in Hell.
Margaret| 9.21.11 @ 11:04PM
Margie honey,
Face the facts.
Nobody likes you.
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 1:44AM
Cop out, Al Adab.
It isn't a matter of interpretation, it's a matter of this man is blatantly lying!
I have NO denomination. I am a plain Bible believing Christian, who agrees with the Bible, in that there should no denominations.
There is only one Body of Christ.
Ken and others are simply lying by asserting that I do have a denomination. I do not.
They will burn in Hell for bearing false witness.
JEWS| 9.21.11 @ 7:50PM
Crucify him! Crucify him!
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 9:28PM
Riiiight.
He's the one doing the crucifying buddy.
And all his perverted pals are turning a blind eye.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 1:10PM
Ken is a liar, just like Obama.
Ken is a fraud and he throws Bible believing Christians to the wolves.
He thinks he's getting away with it, but he isn't.
Ken, do you care that you are going to Hell along with Obama for your lies and bearing false witness against me?
He even lied about a version of the Bible that I sometimes used (that is taken from the original languages), in order to try and turn others against me.
Think again, disseminator:
Here, let me warn you from God's Own Words about what you are not going to get away with.
Which version will you try and fight against here?
It is the Word of God:
No matter which version you use, the message is clear. Read it and weep, disseminator.
Proverbs 15:5:
KJV
A false witness shall not be unpunished, and [he that] speaketh lies shall not escape.
NKJV
A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who speaks lies will not escape.
NLT
A false witness will not go unpunished, nor will a liar escape.
NIV
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who pours out lies will not go free.
ESV
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will not escape.
RVR
El testigo falso no quedará sin castigo, Y el que habla mentiras no escapará.
NASB
A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who *tells lies will not escape.
RSV
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who utters lies will not escape.
ASV
A false witness shall not be unpunished; And he that uttereth lies shall not escape.
YLT
A false witness is not acquitted, Whoso breatheth out lies is not delivered.
DBY
A false witness shall not be held innocent, and he that uttereth lies shall not escape.
WEB
A false witness shall not be unpunished, and [he that] speaketh lies shall not escape.
HNV
A false witness shall not be unpunished. He who pours out lies shall not go free.
VUL
testis falsus non erit inpunitus et qui mendacia loquitur non effugiet
WLC
עֵד שְׁקָרִים לֹא יִנָּקֶה וְיָפִיחַ כְּזָבִים לֹא יִמָּלֵֽט׃
LXX
μάρτυς ψευδὴς οὐκ ἀτιμώρητος ἔσται ὁ δὲ ἐγκαλῶν ἀδίκως οὐ διαφεύξεται
Dan Hirsch| 9.21.11 @ 1:55PM
Margie,
You disagree with a lot of people.
You spend a lot of time calling people names, accusing them of sins, condemning them to Hell.
As a Christian are you not supposed to emulate Christ? Please cite Christ's behavior that mirrors yours. Where did he call people names? Where did He accuse and call out others' sins to the multitude? Where did he condemn people to Hell?
Christ spent His time on this earth teaching with love, patience, and forgiveness. You do not seem to show a much of those qualities.
As an imperfect human, a sinner who has sinned before, and sadly, will again, I urge you to look at what you are doing and saying. Maybe I misunderstand your actions, but if I were you, I would be thinking and praying hard about my own actions. Maybe you should, too.
If this makes me a Hellbound, false-witness-bearing, bloody Papist I say you are judging me. And we both know that's not your role, it is God's. So I hope for your sake, you will knock it off!
Good luck with all that, dear.
Trying and failing, yet trying again, incessantly,
DH
DTOM
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 2:38PM
I call liars liars, and that is what Ken is, and what you are for also misrepresenting me here.
And Jesus came to divide those who hate His Word and those who love Him.
Jesus also called liars what they were, and those who refused to believe in Him that they are of their Father, the Devil.
What I spend a lot of time doing here is DEFENDING HIS WORD!
And His Word does not EVER go forth empty:
"For as the rain and the snow come down from Heaven, and return not thither but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall My Word be that goes forth from My Mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and prosper in the thing for which I sent it." Is. 55:10 & 11.
Ken is a Papist and a liar. He calls God a liar by being a Darwinist. He calls Bible believing Christians Pharisees for standing on the Word of God~ and seeks to turn others against them by bearing false witness.
You, dear, have chosen to side with a liar and enemy of the cross of Christ.
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 2:55PM
Margie
No one ever sided with either you or Ken. We are simply asking you to agree to disagree. That goes for both of you. You disagree with his interpretation and he disagrees with yours. Fine, let it be.
We bash Clint because he is juvenile, rude, and crude without a original thought in his head. We value you and Ken for just the opposite reasons.
Let God judge others, it is not our place. Let the differnences go, except when attacked. But must you attack each and every post Ken makes that has nothing to do with you? I would ask him the same thing.
Did not Jesus correct Luke and Mark for shunning a healer who cast out devils in Jesus name but was not one of his direct followers.
Mark 9:38-40 "...we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbade him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part." (KJV)
Luke 9:49-50 "...we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbade him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us."
I don't normally quote scripture as I do not have it memorized to heart but in this case use it in attempt to open the eyes of a kind woman and man. Let your animosity to each other go.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 3:12PM
It IS my place as a Christian to judge others.. other Christians. And Ken is a liar. I judge him that.
First you got done slapping my face, above and JUDGING me, and now suddenly you respect me?
Allowing Ken to get away with his lying is siding with the enemy.
You don't respect me, you respect a blatant liar.
Dear.
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 3:20PM
Marigie,
With all due respect I did not judge you, slap your face or disrespect you, I simply asked you to take another look at this. If you re-read the post I was asking the same of Ken, I was not attaking you. As I said, you appear to be a kind woman, but you are set on these attacks. I think you should let it go, but you do not. So be it. I do respect you, I just disagree on how you approach this. You seem very defensive on this and it was not my intention to be accusatory. In fact, I can not think of any other way I could have approached this and been less so. I leave you to your own methods, beliefs, and blessings but know this. You will both be in my thoughts and I wish you both well.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 3:27PM
OH, DS~ please forgive me, as I just mistakenly responded to your post as if it were Dan Hirsh's. It sometimes happens, and I am sorry.
I take back what I said because I responded as if it were you. Please forgive me?
Thank you for what you said.
Thanks for the prayers.
It is very hard for me to keep silent when this man openly lies about me here. He actually LIES!
I appreciate the prayers and good will.
Drunken Sailor| 9.21.11 @ 3:30PM
No offense taken. No forgiveness neccessary. I understand your frustrations. We just differ over solutions. Hang in there.
Dan Hirsch| 9.22.11 @ 10:26AM
Oh, Margie,
Quote my lie.
Quote my lie!
QUOTE MY LIE!!!
Look hard, dear...
I forgive you your sins against me, 7 times 70, but forgiveness is not mine to give, it is God's.
Time for prayer, Margie, not spittle.
DH
KennesawJack| 9.21.11 @ 9:42PM
What happened to "Judge not, lest you be judged." How about we knock this nonsense off and direct our energies to getting rid of Obamarx?
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 1:39AM
Sorry Jackie baby.
The rest of that verse which liars love leaving off says that we aren't to judge IF we are practicing the same thing that we are judging about.
Ken is blatantly smearing me, he is bearing false witness and purposefully involved in turning others against me.
So spare me with the backhanded slice, OK?
As long as this PUNK of a child in a grown man's body insists on doing what he's doing, I'm not going to crawl away and let him.
And I am SURE you wouldn't either, am I right?
Dan Hirsch| 9.21.11 @ 7:23PM
Margie,
Dear, I asked you questions! I did not represent anything you said. So if you said I misrepresented you you are not listening.
I worry that you ignore all my questions yet call me "liar."
Will you ever stop? Can you not look at yourself and see that maybe, just maybe you have erred?
Are you without sin?
No, of course not. You are what you accuse others of being.
Call me some more names, now. Maybe you'll feel better for the moment....
Pray for Margie, she's in trouble....
So will you now assail me for asking others to pray for you?
Good luck to you, toots.
DH
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 9:29PM
Spare me, Dan. OK?
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.21.11 @ 9:58PM
Dan,
It hurts me, but Margie has backed herself into a corner...
She has dismissed half of Christendom to hell for being "papists". She has consigned me to hell for being a "liar".
I have a looooong years long e-mail conversation with Margie in my files. It is and was a private conversation, but I think I can safely say that when she was under attack by Clint and ilk here, I kicked butt and called names on her behalf. She wrote to say she loved me. (Call me a liar and I will post the damned e-mail, Margie.)
She has obviously changed her mind. Thank God Jesus doesn't change his mind. I'm still the sinner screw-up I have always been.....yet each night I can get a smile from Him when I pray for a tomorrow to witness for Him.
I don't particularly enjoy being called a "liar consigned to hell by Pope Margie and ex-communicated from the "Margie catholic church", but then I chuckle.
As Paul said..."we all see through a glass darkly..."
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 12:53AM
So now, I'M the liar?
What a joke you are, PUNK.
You will rot in Hell for the lies you are telling here.
You're a filthy lying scumbag.
I have NOT condemned half of Chrsitendom you filthy PUNK.
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 1:03AM
Ken will not go unpunished for what he is doing here.
Ken, which version is good enough for you?
Here are just a few, but once again, the message from God is the same, is it not?
KJV
Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.
NKJV
"You shall not circulate a false report. Do not put your hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.
NLT
"You must not pass along false rumors. You must not cooperate with evil people by lying on the witness stand.
NIV
"Do not spread false reports. Do not help a wicked man by being a malicious witness.
ESV
"You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.
RVR
No admitirás falso rumor. No te concertarás con el impío para ser testigo falso.
NASB
"You shall not bear a false report; do not join your hand with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.
RSV
"You shall not utter a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man, to be a malicious witness.
ASV
Thou shalt not take up a false report: put not thy hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.
YLT
`Thou dost not lift up a vain report; thou dost not put thy hand with a wicked man to be a violent witness.
DBY
Thou shalt not accept a false report; extend not thy hand to the wicked, to be an unrighteous witness.
WEB
Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thy hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.
HNV
"You shall not spread a false report. Don't join your hand with the wicked to be a malicious witness.
VUL
non suscipies vocem mendacii nec iunges manum tuam ut pro impio dicas falsum testimonium
WLC
לֹא תִשָּׂא שֵׁמַע שָׁוְא אַל־תָּשֶׁת יָֽדְךָ עִם־רָשָׁע לִהְיֹת עֵד חָמָֽס׃ ס
LXX
οὐ παραδέξῃ ἀκοὴν ματαίαν οὐ συγκαταθήσῃ μετὰ τοῦ ἀδίκου γενέσθαι μάρτυς ἄδικος
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 1:47AM
You do not witness for Him~ you are a witness AGAINST Him.
You cannot bear false witness against me and call yourself a Christian.
Of course I changed my mind, you stupid idiot~ look at how you are lying!!
You think God is smiling at you right now?
You are SICK.
Dan Hirsch| 9.22.11 @ 8:12AM
Margie,'
Spare us, and yourself, OK?
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 2:33PM
Stuff it, Hirschpunk.
Margaret| 9.21.11 @ 11:07PM
Margie honey,
Do you have a job? Are you on welfare?
You spend way too much time here. Get a life. Go out. Go bowling. Volunteer at a soup kitchen.
Just stay off here.
Nobody, Nobody likes you.
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 12:54AM
Riiight, says the TROLL using many monikers.
Honey.
SpiralArchitect| 9.21.11 @ 12:38PM
Let me know when Zero proposes the Kill the Economy Act as everything he says and proposes is opposite of reality.
Likely this would create jobs, fix the economy & probably adjsut the tax codes in a favorable way towards Americans!
A.M. Mallett| 9.21.11 @ 12:57PM
I propose a Kumbaya tax of $10 per person for all public performances... hael, make that $25 and apply all of it to the national debt. The Kumbayas themselves would have a 70% tax rate just to be "fair".
ABNCP| 9.21.11 @ 1:16PM
Come on folks. Obama is succeeding brilliantly. The agenda he was put into the Presidency to complete is being put in place about as well as it could be given his incompetence and that of his tools, Pelosi and Reid. Take a look at all the policies and regulations this country has suffered under his Presidency. The overwhelming majority of them are subersive to traditional American values. Some of them, "ObamaCare" as an example, are designed to destroy our free enterprise financial system and ensure a socialist
government control of this country. The policies and regulations his administration have made into law and others they are now desperately attempting to put in place prior to he 2012 election cannot be looked at in any other way than an agenda the Soros Cabal planned when they selected this Manchurian Candidate of a President many years ago. One day in the future we may find out how all of this evil came about. Until then, it has now becme obvious the political and financial disaster he has brought about is no accident, it has all been planned.
Phil Sukalewski| 9.21.11 @ 1:25PM
I wish this article were condensed into a condensed that I could forward to my relatives and friends who aren't paying much attention. Unfortunately, this multi-page article would not get read (and the back and forth stats make even me bleary eyed).
How about a few one-line bullet points, with an italicized line underneath stating why it's a lie (again in one line) with links under each to get the background story.
Ron| 9.21.11 @ 2:04PM
The problem is definitely a clear, understandable message. NerObama constantly throws one message out to the MSM and thereby his masses: "Tax the rich, millionaire, and billionaires and make them pay their "fair share"." That is about as much as the sheeple in the US can absorb. The conservative message must be as short and concise as possible to counteract it. Simply saying "NerObama Lies" is not going to get through the the allegations of racism that the MSM and the POTUS will toss out. The message to hammer home is that the middle and upper classes already pay more in taxes to support the bloated government. Do not even go into those who do not pay taxes (as much as we know about them) because then it will seem like conservatives are declaring class warfare.
Al Adab| 9.21.11 @ 2:29PM
Perhaps we might realize that this condition is not new. Do we have a better description of this Pesident?
Epictetus, "Here is a man who does not listen to reason, he does not understand when he is confuted, he is an ass. Here is one whose sense of self respect is numb; he is useless, a sheep, anything but a human being."
Pecos Pete| 9.21.11 @ 2:05PM
Joe Wilson said it best to King O, "You lie!"
Susan Rawlings | 9.21.11 @ 2:09PM
This is so true. This President and his administration is looking for solutions to the current economic woes on the backs of big and small business, the middle class and conservative Americans. Honestly, how much more economic pain are any of us willing to endure for his poorly executed strategy and ill-conceived plan? Most of all, don't let your kids be fooled by him. Share your true conservative values with them. A new magazine called The Conservative Teen is a great way to get them up to speed on the issues that will affect their lives. Check it out online at http://www.theconservativeteen.com/toc.
shipley130| 9.21.11 @ 2:15PM
I'm calling for America to cut off Warren Buffett's income chain. We should not tolerate such a liar to prosper in America.
preston| 9.21.11 @ 2:49PM
Impeach. Covict. Imprison. Deport to Country of Origin.
no hussein 2012| 9.21.11 @ 3:18PM
The hussein is a lie, where did he come from, what was his past, why all the blanks, why all the lies, why all the propping up, why all the scandals,etc....
PattyMor| 9.21.11 @ 6:06PM
The problem with electing a comitted true, blue Leftist is that his laws, bureaucrats, and regulations will be in place long after he is gone.
Does the Rat Leadership have the guts to undo all the damage? I have NO trust in Boehner nor McConnell. They will have to dragged kicking and screaming to implement reforms. So onward and upward to 2012 to elect a conservative Senate and a very conservative President. My pick is Sarah as she has a history of reform that no other candidate can match.
If you have funds, send some to the Senate Conservatives Fund, run by Jim DeMint. One of the few in government that I would trust with my money.
Roberta Rhodes | 9.21.11 @ 7:37PM
Mr. Ferrara: I don't know where you get your stats, but my accountant does my taxes...I am in a 28% income bracket and I make between 50-100,000 a year.
Wayne| 9.21.11 @ 8:01PM
Obama is including payroll taxes. If you count both sides that runs to about 18 percent of ones pay. Since Buffet is an investor and he pays capital gains tax which is lower.
But this is just comparing apples to oranges.
I have the Buffet secretary rule which says her taxes should be reduced.
POST American| 9.21.11 @ 11:36PM
--------------------BOTTOM LINE----------------------
Putting aside the full array of David Rockefeller's
puppet works, let us consider with ALAN WATT:
"WHO are these Rockefellows and Rothchilds?
----WHO are these characters? They haven't worked
as the world works in generations, centuries ,
if even then. --And even when they did they were
nothing more than USURERS, snake oil salesmen,
and ruthless psychopaths. WHO gave these
people the authority to be determining policy?
--the course of history?--the fate of humanity?
----------WHO ARE THESE CHARACERS?"
Yes, behind their batteries of TAX FREE,
trillionaire fronts --and bought off media
fronts -----WHO------ARE-----THEY?
------And HOW MUCH LONGER will we tolerate
their UN-elected, UN--accountable, treasonous
ANT--ticks?
Naturalborn Texicanette| 9.22.11 @ 12:03AM
There is only One who will judge mankind....... and He is not Margie.
Go in peace with God's grace, Margie, and allow Father God to do what He alone is meant to do.
Jesus Is.
Margie| 9.22.11 @ 1:08AM
Sorry Tex, but I never acted like I was God, I just preach His Own Words.
The Papist here playing Judge Jury and Executioner is your pal, Ken.
Oh, no. I will not keep my mouth shut~ I'll continue speaking His Words as they are written in the Bible in the face of it.
And I am judging your pal Ken a blatant liar.
If you've actually READ the Bible~ we Christians have that authority.
And he is a blatant DISGUSTING PUNK OF A LIAR.
You OUGHT to be saying what you said to me~~ to Ken instead, darling.
"Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, matters pertaining to this life!" 1 Cor. 6:3.
Don't patronize me falsely either, it disgusts me.
POST American| 9.22.11 @ 12:40AM
-----------------BOTTOMLESS LINE-------------------
For those wishing to sober up about that's
going down
DO CHECK OUT--------ALAN WATT's show
from yesterday, the 21st. Cue it up around
the middle of the hour.
-------------------------------AWESOME!
George| 9.22.11 @ 12:57AM
"...he could care less...."
Don't you mean Obama could NOT care less?
Marc Jeric| 9.23.11 @ 12:42AM
Mullah Obama, or as I prefer to call that marxist from Kenya - abu Hussein al-Mombassa - , is rapidly communizing America. The bigger the crisis the better his chances of introducing a North Korea type of government. There the communists have 100% employment, when you count all those laboring in the Gulag.
Rick| 9.23.11 @ 11:09PM
Obamas' polices DO to work! Its just headwins. Your a bigget and a rasist!
RICHARD MILNE| 9.24.11 @ 3:17PM
The total corporate tax in Canada varies by Province. The Ontario rate is currently 11.5% which is on top of the Federal rate of 16.5%.
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.25.11 @ 8:48AM
FoX on Perry Sunday morning:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion.....migration/
Oh, bye the way, I wonder if Margie even remembers what I supposedly lied about somewhere back there.
Go in peace, Margie.