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Another Perspective
Liberals Embrace Perry’s Christian Values
ACLU, Shriver, Cuomo, Yoko Ono, Reid, Obama stand up for Texan’s beliefs.
Actions, as they say, speak louder than words.
And whatever the fear-mongering from the American Left about Texas Governor Rick Perry’s belief that America should be based on “Christian Values” (Perry believes in a Theocracy! Perry believes in a Christian Dominion! Oh My God Perry really believes in God!) — when push comes to shove, like iron filings to a magnet, there are no more fervent Perryites in the land responding to Christian values than some celebrated members of the American Left.
Including — particularly including — that notorious Christian Values group known as the American Civil Liberties Union.
Say what?
That’s right. From one end of America to the other, the bluest of the blue turn positively crimson when the question is to live as Governor Perry suggests — or not. Without fail the choices they make in both their personal and public lives have them choosing Perry’s Christian Values over any other alternative.
Names?
There are names aplenty. They will be named here. And their actions are, thanks to their celebrity or political influence, well out there for all to see. No scurrilous, gossipy tidbits here. Just the facts ma’am. Just the facts.
So. Let’s take a walk through this interesting list of liberals who exemplify Rick Perry’s call for living life according to “Christian Values.”
First, the Christian Values themselves.
Christian Values, or perhaps more accurately Judeo-Christian Values, are, to a considerable degree, based on a series of rules straight from the Bible. Rules that are considered such an outrageous violation of “separation of church and state” according to liberal talking points, that only last week the American Civil Liberties Union filed another of those famous liberal complaints regarding the posting of these unspeakable rules in a Virginia school district. This one was filed against the Giles County School Board for allowing the rules to surface in the Narrows High School, where a lone student and parent protested. Says the Associated Press: “The lawsuit says the display unconstitutionally promotes a specific religious faith and serves no secular purpose.”
Catch that line? A “specific religious faith”? The display “serves no secular purpose.”
Really? Really?
The rules, of course, are the Ten Commandments. And according to the ACLU they have “no secular purpose” — a position with which American leftists everywhere are always nodding vigorously.
Or are they?
A most interesting fact of life — if strangely never noted — is that when the rubber hits the road all manner of celebrated American liberals, led by the ACLU itself, cling to the Ten Commandments with the tenaciousness of a dog discovering his last bone. Teeth bared, suddenly furiously aggressive, these liberals want their favorite Commandments obeyed NOW. Right NOW! Or there will be hell to pay. And there frequently is.
About the Author
Jeffrey Lord is a former Reagan White House political director and author. He writes from Pennsylvania at jlpa1@aol.com.
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Michael Tomlinson| 9.20.11 @ 6:58AM
Amen to Rick Perry and his Christian values. So much better than the postmodernist presently living in the White House.
Alan Brooks| 9.20.11 @ 5:02PM
But if 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery
' is correct wrong then why do so many conservatives enjoy adultery so much? are they masochists?
Alan Brooks| 9.20.11 @ 5:02PM
But if 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery' is correct then why do so many conservatives enjoy adultery so much? are they masochists?
Jack in Wi.| 9.20.11 @ 6:50PM
Governor Perry has made the usual extravagent grovel and kow tow to the Israeli lobby. This great Christian thinks that 5 million Palistinians are forever to be the hellots and underlings of the Israeli's, who stole the place and have been oppressing them for 63 years.
Mr. Lord, in one of his more nonsensical statements here, talks about the separation of Church and State. The Constitution forbids one Church to be put above any other. That was true until the founding of Israel. Since then the Zionists both Jewish and Christian have pushed for unconstitutional and immoral aid to the racist, theocracy state of Israel. Mr. Perry will back Israel to the last American soldier's drop of blood, and the last American dollar. He is complety unfit to govern this country.
Mr. Obama is in huge trouble with his base because the Israeli Lobby expects him to veto Palistinian statehood. His political carreer is probably over anyhow. But he would get huge support from his base and from people on the middle and even the right if he didn't veto Palistinian statehood, but voted for it.
The Republicans candidates, with one heroic exception, with their slavish support of the Israeli Lobby will never get anything for it. Most Jews are liberal and will vote for Obama anyhow. Most of the money men of the party are liberal Jews who fund a majority of the party's activities.
We prolife conservatives are 80% of the parties voters and base. Yet a tiny minority of radical, Jews and their much larger Christian Zionist friends put the agenda of Israel over life any day. 4000 babies are murdered every day in this country. Yet we are supposed to care more about 3000 people who were murdered 10 years ago, and forever chase some terrorists, who mostly long dead for another 100 years. When are we prolifers going to give up on politicians like Perry and Bush who care far, far, more for crooked bankers and Israel then they do about the 60 million babies murdered since Roe?
chuck| 9.21.11 @ 12:02AM
Jack, you really are a pathetic hateful anti-Semite. You must really have a miserable, little life, that borders on worthlessness. Yet you tell yourself, that no matter how miserable and useless you are, at least you're not some damned Jew.
Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. You remind me of the old racists of the South.
How dare you call yourself a conservative! No conservative would spew the absolute bile you do.
Jack in Wi.| 9.21.11 @ 12:58AM
Let Israel do what it wants, on it's own dime and spill it's own blood. I am an American and thats all I care about. To be called an anti semite by warmongering, racist, bigot like you is a badge of honor. I follow the words of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. " Blessed are the peacemakers and the truth will set you free. "
Cynthia Pestka| 9.22.11 @ 11:49AM
Alan, I'm not real sure why you or anyone else believes that conservatives should be (or are capable of being) perfect. If I lie, that doesn't mean I am incapable of recognizing that it is STILL a sin. And, yeah, I do expect someone who wants to be raised to a position of leadership to show morals.
Jack in Wi.| 9.20.11 @ 6:19PM
Governor Perry is a great compassionate conservative, and wonderful Christian. He doesn't lose one minutes sleep over signing the death warrents of of over 200 people. He finds nothing in his compassionate heart that could sway him to show just one flicker of mercy. All there people must have been guilty, after all the courts said so. The courts never make mistakes and injustices are never done. Hell I killed a groudhog tearing up my garden and lost more sleep then this great Christian did over more then 200 people. He is just Christian compassion personified.
Ronald Reagan signed one death warrent in his term as governor and never did so again. He has written how he agonized over it and what a tough decision, it was. He also called the homes of every service man killed on his watch. Maybe it was because he had some compassion. Blood thirsty thugs like like G. W. Bush and Perry are the last people I want in the in charge of our government
TrueBlue| 9.20.11 @ 7:19PM
So you would rather keep murderers alive in prison (paid for by the public dime, thus punishing the entire society for each scumbag that takes the life of another) with the possibility of parole and/or escape allowing them to commit the crime again, than having people put to death after they were proven guilty in a court? I feel bad for the people that get proven guilty of a crime they didn't commit, but frankly that number is extremely small. You know why we have such a high crime rate here? Because we don't punish people for breaking the law, let alone punishment that fits the crime.
Let's keep sending scum to jails where they get better food and accomodations than some families do (yes I know maximum security ones aren't like that, but a good number of minimum security ones are), and charging the public for them. No wonder people get out of prison and commit another crime to get thrown back in!
Alan Brooks| 9.20.11 @ 7:45PM
um, well, no one can accuse Jack in Wi of being any sort of a liberal- that is for sure.
Alan Brooks| 9.20.11 @ 7:49PM
"Hell I killed a groundhog tearing up my garden"
Did you torture the groundhog first to satiate your sadistic pent-up rage? did you tape-record the groundhog's death-agony so you might enjoy the recording at dinnertime?
Alan Brooks| 9.20.11 @ 8:03PM
Jack,
did you pretend the groundhog was Anne Frank or Golda Meir while you killed it?
chuck| 9.20.11 @ 11:53PM
I'm sure he put on his Nazi uniform when he tortured that poor groundhog to death.
I'm sure he's a skinhead, and I wish he would stop spewing his hateful bile and leave.
He is a disgusting piece of crap.
Margie| 9.20.11 @ 11:58PM
Ken the Texican backs people like him because they're Catholic.
He's just as much a vile hater of Christians as Clint is.
Jack in Wi.| 9.21.11 @ 12:52AM
Margie: You are so bloodthirsty that you don't know what the word Christian means. " Blessed are the Peacemakers. Those who live by the sword will die by the sword. What you do to the least of my brothers you do unto me." Those are the words of God, Jesus Christ. All you want is blood and more blood. Straighteen your life out Margie. You are the fast road to hell with all your hate.
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 1:13PM
You have a brother in Ken the Texican, lying hypocrite.
Birds of a feather!
Merlin| 9.21.11 @ 10:06AM
Can I conclude then that abortion and expecially partial birth abortion and any who support them must be abhorent to you?
POST American| 9.20.11 @ 7:12AM
------------Tavistock '90's Show' SAP OP-------------
-------------------------ALERT!---------------------------
--With our entire 'christian' establishment,
long infiltrated and subverted, folding before
a whole succession of moral, cultural and political
degradation and debasement ops
-----AND with such 'REAL American Christians'
as Billy Graham NOW revealed to be, not only
Arminian heretics ----BUT, 33rd degree Masons
-------AND as other 33rd degree Mason 'Christians'
such as televangelist operator Pat Robertson green lighting
the dumping your Alzheimer's afflicted spouse
---------IT"D BE NICE if Christians themselves
embraced Christian values.
Delta Zelda| 9.20.11 @ 9:12AM
What planet do you live on?
Mike Hawk| 9.20.11 @ 1:07PM
All our interrogation methods so far don't work, not even waterboarding as somehow he enjoys it. So far all we know is he is from somewhere in the Alpha Quadrant. Problem is there are thousands of unmapped solar systems there and he isn't telling.
Alan Brooks| 9.20.11 @ 5:26PM
PostAmerican was on the grassy knoll in Dealey Plaza, 11/22/'63
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.20.11 @ 7:15AM
Jeffrey,
Well done. This article wil make some heads explode.
Zimble| 9.20.11 @ 11:16AM
Explode from laughter you mean? The problem that the ten commandments have with the Establishment Clause (as I assume the author knows, since he worked so hard to dodge the real point) is not with the commandments against killing and stealing and so on, but things like honoring God and not taking God's name in vain.
The Bruce| 9.20.11 @ 11:54PM
Yet every session of the Senate and House of Representatives begins with a prayer. Interesting, no?
Don't take my word for it. Watch CSPAN in January when session starts.
The Bruce| 9.20.11 @ 11:58PM
I forgot to add that "In God We Trust" is engraved in gigantic font above the heads of the Speaker of the House, and the President of the Senate -- and it's been that way ever since the building was built.
Funny how people seem to interpret a separation of church and state in the Constitution, when the Founders, the very people that wrote the Constitution and designed the Capitol Building, seem to disagree with your "interpretation."
Zimble| 9.21.11 @ 11:26AM
Take it up with the Supreme Court. "In God We Trust" isn't a problem constitutionally because when you push to have it repeated out of a religious context it becomes nothing but a ceremonial motto.
As for the prayers that begin congress, and what the Founders thought of it, here's James Madison:
"The Constitution of the U.S. forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion," Madison wrote. "The law appointing Chaplains establishes a religious worship for the national representatives, to be performed by Ministers of religion, elected by a majority of them; and these are to be paid out of the national taxes. Does not this involve the principle of a national establishment, applicable to a provision for a religious worship for the Constituent as well as of the representative Body, approved by the majority, and conducted by Ministers of religion paid by the entire nation?"
DaveD| 9.20.11 @ 7:26AM
Shame, shame, shame, Mr. Lord. Don't you realise that all the cases you mentioned above are simply instances of moral relativism and have nothing whatsoever to do with the country's supposed religious heritage. Surely you know better.
Dan Hirsch| 9.20.11 @ 11:04AM
DaveD;
Mr. Lord has nothing to be ashamed about.
Liberals complain of murder, adultery, lying, dishonoring parents, all clear obvious violations of the Ten Commandments. Only in the murder was a statute law clearly violated. The rest, well c'mon, everybody does it...there's your moral relativism, you knucklehead.
The First Amendment directs that Congress shall make no law respecting religion. Please show me the law that the US Congress passed to place the Ten Commandments on that school. You cannot, because the Congress did not pass any such legislation. No, you will rely on the "...separation of church and state..." invention which was raised from that small seed in the First Amendment. As Sarah Palin CORRECTLY stated there is NO literal "separation of church and state" in the Constitution. That there is is a liberal fiction based language in Supreme Court opinions that could be and should be overturned with a single SCOTUS ruling. This belief in "separation of church and state" is as deeply held as the 'flat earth' concept was held in the Middle Ages and Anthropogenic Global Warming is held to by liberal non-thinkers today.
If there really was no God, who would atheists detest? What would they rail against - how would they know what NOT to think. Atheists are just another version of moderates: people with no core beliefs or principles who base their thinking on what others with principles do not think.
Didja get that? Atheists would not have a single thought if it were not for other people with thoughts to refute. An atheist's belief is just that you, mister faithful one, are wrong. Atheists do believe this: that this planet, these thinking, reasoning believing creatures that have managed to drag themselves up to the heavens, well it was all just a lucky accident...the right bolt of lightning hitting the right puddle of muck...sure.
DTOM
DH
PS You all had better hope that God doesn't stop believing in you...
Zimble| 9.20.11 @ 11:18AM
If there really was no God, who would atheists detest?
Perhaps they would detest people who make up false stories about a God, even though there wasn't one? Pretty much what they do right now in other words.
Dan Hirsch| 9.20.11 @ 12:02PM
Oh, nimble Zimble,
You answer my question by refuting its premise and then saying atheists would detest people who WOULD make up what you are again denying.
What DO you believe that does not start with "NO." I suggest that'd be "nothing."
You're kind of stuck there, aren't you.
Good luck. We are waiting...
DTOM
Zimble| 9.20.11 @ 12:39PM
You answer my question by refuting its premise and then saying atheists would detest people who WOULD make up what you are again denying.
I'm saying that you think there is a god, and atheists think there isn't.
Actually to be more accurate, there are many thousands of human conceptions of "god" that you think are imaginary, and one you think is real. Atheists just disbelieve in one more god than you disbelieve in. Their disbelief in your god is much like your disbelief in the flying spaghetti monster.
Apologies if you are a believer in the flying spaghetti monster, or some other mobile pasta deity. I just picked that as a random example.
Margie| 9.20.11 @ 2:55PM
What?!
Atheists don't think there's a God?
You must not have heard the Atheist's prayer.
It goes like this:
"God, if you exist, please show me."
LOL.
Zimble| 9.20.11 @ 6:00PM
"God, if you exist, please show me."
"Flying Spaghetti Monster, if you exist, please show me" works just as well. Cheers.
DaveD| 9.20.11 @ 2:18PM
Dan, the original comment was meant to be taken sarcastically. My bad for not writing it correctly so that the sarcasm showed through.
Dan Hirsch| 9.21.11 @ 8:32AM
What the world needs is an unmistakably sarcastic font. I quite often used to be extremely sarcastic in conversation. It did two things for me: it stifled immediate responses (many of which could have been helpful) and made me no friends.
Sarcasm is a powerful weapon, but like most its best use is its least use. It should be part of conservative, as opposed to Democrat civility...
DTOM
DH
da monk| 9.20.11 @ 7:33AM
What the devil does all this have to do with putting up the Ten Commandments in a public facility? Mr. Lord is creating a tempest in a teapot.
The Bruce| 9.21.11 @ 12:11AM
He who would pun would pick a pocket, DM :)
Intelligent Design| 9.20.11 @ 7:53AM
Liberals support and defend www.thereligionofpeace.com
Intelligent Design| 9.20.11 @ 8:02AM
Muslim terrorists have killed 390 and wounded about 1,000 people so far this month (9/19/11).
http://www.thereligionofpeace......ml#Attacks
Clint| 9.20.11 @ 8:14AM
Perry's Problematic Pals
" Sounds good. But Perry has been sucked into the propaganda vortex, and is now wielding his enormous power to influence changes in the schoolrooms and in the curricula to reflect a sharia compliant version of Islam. He is a friend of the Aga Khan, the multimillionaire head of the Ismailis, a Shi'ite sect of Islam that today proclaims its nonviolence but in ages past was the sect that gave rise to the Assassins. Perry has concluded at least two cooperation agreements between the state of Texas and the Ismailis, including a comprehensive program to feed children in Texas public schools and taqiyya nonsense about how Islam is a religion of peace."
http://www.americanthinker.com....._pals.html
Intelligent Design| 9.20.11 @ 1:17PM
Gov. Perry’s Remarks at Israel-Palestine Press Conference in New York City
Print
Posted on September 20th, 2011
Thank you. Let me begin by thanking Dr. Solomon Frager and Aron Hirtz for helping us organize this press conference today.
I am joined today by a diverse group of Jewish leaders from here and abroad who share my concern that the United Nations could take action this week to legitimize the Palestinian gambit to establish statehood in violation of the spirit of the 1993 Oslo Accords.
We are indignant that certain Middle Eastern leaders have discarded the principle of direct negotiations between the sovereign nation of Israel and the Palestinian leadership, and we are equally indignant that the Obama Administration’s Middle East policy of appeasement has encouraged such an ominous act of bad faith.
Simply put, we would not be here today at the precipice of such a dangerous move if the Obama Policy in the Middle East wasn’t naïve, arrogant, misguided and dangerous.
It must be said, first, that Israel is our oldest and strongest democratic ally in the Middle East and has been for more than 60 years. The Obama Policy of moral equivalency, which gives equal standing to the grievances of Israelis and Palestinians, including the orchestrators of terrorism, is a dangerous insult.
There is no middle ground between our allies and those who seek their destruction. America should not be ambivalent between the terrorist tactics of Hamas and the security tactics of the legitimate and free state of Israel. By proposing ‘indirect talks” through the U.S. rather than between Palestinian leaders and Israel, this administration encouraged the Palestinians to shun direct talks.
Second, it was wrong for this Administration to suggest the 1967 borders should be the starting point for Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. When you consider this suggestion was made on the eve of the Israeli Prime Minister’s visit, we see in this American Administration a willingness to isolate a close ally and to do so in a manner that is insulting and naïve.
Third, by injecting the issue of 1967 borders in addition to a construction freeze in East Jerusalem and Israeli settlements, the Obama Administration has put Israel in a position of weakness and taken away their flexibility to offer concessions as part of the negotiation process.
Indeed, bolstered by the Obama Administration’s policies and apologists at the U.N., the Palestinians are exploiting the instability in the Middle East hoping to achieve their objective without concessions or direct negotiations with Israel.
The reason is simple: if they perceive they can get what they want from the U.N. without making any concessions why should they negotiate with Israel?
While the administration is right to finally agree to fight the Arab resolution at the U.N., it bears repeating that we wouldn’t be here today if they had stuck to some basic principles concerning Palestinian statehood:
First, Palestinian leaders must publicly affirm Israel’s right to exist, and to exist as a Jewish state;
Second, President Abbas must persuade all factions including Hamas to renounce acts of terrorism and release kidnapped Israeli Gilad Shalit, and;
Third, Palestinian statehood must be established only through direct negotiations between the Palestinian leadership and the nation of Israel.
By not insisting on these principles, the Obama Administration has appeased the Arab Street at the expense of our own national security interests. They have sowed instability that threatens the prospects of peace.
Israel’s security is critical to America’s security. We must not forget it was Israel that took out the nuclear capabilities of Iraq in 1981 and Syria in 2007. In both instances, their actions made the free world safer.
Today, the greatest threat to the security of Israel and, by extension, a threat to America, is the Iranian government developing a nuclear arsenal. One thing is clear: we must stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. Economic sanctions must be tightened and increased and all options must remain on the table to stop a brutally repressive regime from acquiring a nuclear capability.
To date, we have fumbled our greatest opportunity for regime change. As average Iranian citizens were marching on Tehran in the Green Revolution in 2009, America was wasting precious time on a naïve policy of outreach to both the Iranian and Syrian governments.
Who knows what the leadership of Iran would look like today if America had done everything in its power to provide diplomatic and moral support to encourage the growing movement of dissidents who sought freedom.
Our actions in recent years have destabilized the Middle East. We have been complacent in encouraging revolt against hostile governments in Iran and Syria and we have been slow to recognize the risks posed by the new regime in Egypt and the increasingly strained relationship between Israel and Turkey.
It is vitally important for America to preserve alliances with moderate Muslim regimes and Muslim leaders who seek to preserve peace and stability in the region. But today, neither adversaries nor allies alike, know where America stands.
Our muddle of a foreign policy has created greater uncertainty in the midst of the “Arab Spring.” And our policy of isolating and undermining Israel has only encouraged our adversaries in their aggression.
With the end-run on Palestinian statehood imminent before the U.N., America must act swiftly.
First, every nation within the U.N. must know America stands with Israel and the Oslo accord principle of direct negotiations without equivocation.
Second, America must make it clear that a declaration of Palestinian Statehood in violation of the spirit of the Oslo accords could jeopardize our funding of U.N. operations.
Third, the Palestinians must know their gambit comes with consequences in particular that America will have to reconsider the $4 billion in assistance we have provided to the Palestinians over the last 17 years.
Fourth, we should close the PLO office in Washington if the U.N. grants the standing of a Palestinian state.
And fifth, we must signal to the world, including nations like Turkey and Egypt whom we have considered allies in recent years, that we won’t tolerate aggression against Israel.
Israel is our friend and ally. I have traveled there several times, and met with its leaders. It is not a perfect nation, but its existence is critical to America’s security in the world.
It is time to change our policy of appeasement toward the Palestinians to strengthen our ties to the nation of Israel, and in the process establish a robust American position in the Middle East characterized by a new firmness and a new resolve.
If America does not head off the aggression of forces hostile to Israel we will only embolden them.
That would be a tragic mistake.
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.20.11 @ 8:24PM
Inteligent,
that was intelligent. Well one. I put that post in my permanent documents.
Occam's Tool| 9.20.11 @ 5:40PM
OK, Clint, I'm trying to follow:
"Israel is a close Friend of the US."--Ron Paul
"Perry supports Islam, and that's bad."---quote above.
But "I hate Israel and Jews are SandMonkeys."
Does not compute. Do you read what you post?
Zimble| 9.20.11 @ 11:22AM
Liberals support and defend ...
Since we're on the subject of liberals embracing Perry's views, it's relevant to point out that Perry worked with an Imam who claims to be a descendent of Mohammed in order to put a pro-Islamic curriculum in Texas public schools.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.....today.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011.....earch.html
Dimar | 9.20.11 @ 7:54AM
Excellent article. You really nailed the hypocracy that abounds in our society.
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.20.11 @ 8:20AM
Heh...
no heads exploding yet. Only bubble heads going gently "pop".
RefriedTomatoes| 9.20.11 @ 9:30AM
Just saw Michael Moore's head pop - Soylent Green everywhere!
Margie| 9.20.11 @ 11:22PM
Your head is going to explode for bearing false witness against me, Ken.
You know what God says about that.
Dan Hirsch| 9.21.11 @ 8:37AM
Margie;
Do you remember what Christ said about the speck in your brother's eye and the log in your own?
No? You might want to look it up...
DTOM
Margie| 9.21.11 @ 1:14PM
You are closing your eyes to the trashing Ken did to me yesterday, hypocrite.
Why is that?
Does it feel good to side with a false witness?
Mike 3/505| 9.20.11 @ 9:09AM
Jeffrey,
I agree with Ken. Nicely done.
Regards,
Mike
Whitey O'Carr| 9.20.11 @ 9:40AM
Mr. Lord, excellent article. May I reprint it to illustrate the point of illustrating our heritage to others? This way I can rebut the arguments of others. BTW, has the ACLU applied their arguments to other religions, especially Scientific Determinism?
Josh Marihugh | 9.20.11 @ 10:13AM
The liberal/ACLU stand against the Ten Commandments really stems from their problem and hatred with the first commandment in the list: "You shall have no other gods before me."
Many people want to live their lives as if they are their own God. The idea of a Supreme Being that is, well, supreme, is offensive to them.
But remove that as the first commandment, and the rest turn into good moral advice, but without any backbone.
Dan Hirsch| 9.20.11 @ 11:08AM
Josh;
It's long been a theory of mine that the First Commandment is the most frequently broken Commandment of all. Far and away.
I may get the answer someday, another thing to look forward to...
Don't tread on me!
DH
Craig Roberts| 9.20.11 @ 12:12PM
Well said Josh. The idea that liberals 'support' Christian values when they howl for vengeance is silly. By rejecting the first commandment they ultimately undermine all Judeo/Christian values.
Zimble| 9.20.11 @ 12:47PM
The liberal/ACLU stand against the Ten Commandments really stems from their problem and hatred with the first commandment in the list: "You shall have no other gods before me."
That, and the Establishment Clause of the Constitution.
I like the way the Supreme Court justified putting "In God We Trust" on coins. They determined that this didn't violate the Constitution because it wasn't about religion any more, but of "patriotic or ceremonial character." In other words, it's okay because by repetition out of any religious context it has become a phrase lacking in religious meaning, and is now just a motto, a ceremonial expression.
I applaud the similar attempts to scrub the ten commandments of any religious meaning, starting with the author of the original article omitting the "no other gods" and "not take the Lord's name in vain" parts of it and treating it as if it were merely an expression of shared societal values about not condoning murder and such. Well done.
Craig Roberts| 9.20.11 @ 1:22PM
Yeah! Let's "scrub the ten commandments of any religious meaning." It worked for Stalin, Castro, and Mao.
Butch| 9.20.11 @ 4:49PM
I noticed that, too. I guess all the good trolls (IQ 85-95) are back in college dodging match.
Butch| 9.20.11 @ 4:50PM
math.
Butch| 9.20.11 @ 4:50PM
math.
Zimble| 9.20.11 @ 6:04PM
Yeah! Let's "scrub the ten commandments of any religious meaning." It worked for Stalin, Castro, and Mao.
The point is that the way you get "In God We Trust" on the money is to scrub it of any real meaning except as a symbolic, ceremonial motto. Read the Supreme Court ruling yourself.
Same for the ten commandments, which if you'll read the original article is exactly what's being done. Things like the first commandment are omitted, in order to make an argument for why the ten commandments are in fact compatible with non-religious groups like the ACLU. In other words, scrubbed of the religious meaning so that it doesn't conflict with the Establishment Clause of the Constitution.
I'm just pointing it out. Cheers.
Clint| 9.20.11 @ 10:51AM
I'm a asshat. Bend over and bite me.
Dan Hirsch| 9.20.11 @ 11:09AM
Clint; if you were speaking English, you would say:
"I'm AN ass..."
I'm just saying...
DTOM
Clint| 9.20.11 @ 11:13AM
That Was Not My Post Dan.
Wake Up !
Occam's Tool| 9.20.11 @ 5:43PM
How can I tell. Caps were there, aggression was there, non-sequitors were there, incoherence was there. Perfect Clint Post.
Dan| 9.20.11 @ 7:12PM
Get a life you're obsessed with Clint.
Occam's Tool| 9.20.11 @ 5:42PM
The first sentence is true, completely. The second sentence, given the first, is unpalatable.
Clint| 9.20.11 @ 11:08AM
That's Not My Post.
Ya Wanna Start With Your Poseur Punk Posts Again Ricky Perry Algore Cheerleaders ?
Dan Hirsch| 9.20.11 @ 11:11AM
Good grief,
Halloween isn't for another 42 days...is it going to be a long run up?
DTOM
Clint| 9.20.11 @ 11:53AM
That's My Post, I was confused.
Dan Hirsch| 9.20.11 @ 12:04PM
Clint,
If you can't tell 'em, give me a break. Is there a program, you can't tell the players without a program? Oh yea, the players are swapping jerseys.
Never mind....
DTOM
Drunken Sailor| 9.20.11 @ 12:19PM
C'mon Girls !
Let's Do A Ricky Perry Algore Cheerleaders Cheer.
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Drunken Sailor| 9.20.11 @ 12:28PM
Why did I get dragged into this? Did your Ron Paul blow up doll spring a leak?
Drunken Sailor| 9.20.11 @ 12:38PM
I'm in charge of blowing The Navy Goat
Alan Brooks | 9.20.11 @ 12:41PM
ha, ha,ha, ha
Doctor Right| 9.20.11 @ 12:43PM
Sorry Drunken Sailor.
Drunken Sailor| 9.20.11 @ 1:00PM
LOL. No apologies neccessary. I should have realized what was going on.
Dan| 9.20.11 @ 7:14PM
Do you have any live patients?
Petronius| 9.20.11 @ 11:17AM
What really matters to the pharisees of the ACLU vis avis the Ten Commandments is who is sinning and or who is sinned against. It's fine and dandy that the 10th Commandment be ignored when Obama demands other people's money. And so on with his lies. Armed robbery and murder; fornication and abortion; it doesn't matter to the ACLU. The only criteria they judge by is their touch stone of "social justice." Banks deserve to get robbed. Rednecks ought to be murdered. Teenagers must be allowed to "do it." And if she winds up with a pooch in the pouch, Planned Parenthood is around the corner. You can do as you will if they're on your side.
Lizard King| 9.20.11 @ 11:58AM
The far left's grotesque moral/ethical relativism is not only sociopathic, it is a cruel and diabolical hoax perpetrated on hapless indiviual souls and the broader culture. Perfect recipe for "hell on earth"!
Seek| 9.20.11 @ 12:18PM
Pure caricature. You cannot be serious about any of this. Never mind liberals. Have you no idea of the countless orthodox Christians and Jews through the ages who cleverly rationalize the killing or sadistic punishment of innocents?
Margie| 9.20.11 @ 3:49PM
Christians do not torture or kill innocents, Religionists do.
Occam's Tool| 9.20.11 @ 5:44PM
Countless Christians and Orthodox Jews? I have Torquemada, Herod, and Martin Luther towards his end.
Lots and lots of pagans and atheists, though.
Dan| 9.20.11 @ 7:15PM
Karl Marx and Trotsky.
DaveS| 9.20.11 @ 11:32AM
It's the economy - victim of central planning -, stupid.
Casey Abell| 9.20.11 @ 12:47PM
Okay article, but should have been cut by two-thirds, at least. We get the idea. Touch lightly on each example and wrap things up quick.
Also would help to cut the Perry-boosting. Makes the article look too much like special pleading.
Old Soldier| 9.20.11 @ 1:48PM
Too bad none of them can obey the Tenth Amendment.
ShortNSweet| 9.20.11 @ 2:09PM
WONDERFULLY PUT! Great article!
It amazes me how prominant man and women of the ACLU and the AFL-CIO, and the Shrivers, Obamas, Pelosis and Onos and so on, are so well educated and can't see how positively IGNORANT they are. They are apallingly ignorant! It would be laughable if it didn't effect sssooo many lives. One day, like those "Rick Perry's" who stand by and live by Christian Values, they will answer to The One God of the universe and creator of it! Their education can not save them!
Margie| 9.20.11 @ 3:01PM
"Their education can not save them!"
Amen to that.
"For consider your call, brethren; not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth;
but God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong, God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God." 1 Cor. 1:26-29.
Stick that in your pipes and smoke it, haughty intellectuals!
Ken F| 9.20.11 @ 4:06PM
There is one commandment that the liberal left does prefer to ignore-- the 10th. Indeed, the whole liberal left agenda depends upon stirring up envy and class warfare. Thus they encourage people to covet. Perhaps this is the real source of the ACLU's campaign against the Ten Commandments.
Zimble| 9.20.11 @ 7:16PM
Indeed, the whole liberal left agenda depends upon stirring up envy and class warfare.
Pure stereotyping tripe. Yes, inducing people to covet is a big part of our agenda, but hardly "the whole" of it. What about getting heterosexuals to decide to be gay? What about teaching school kids that humans are descended from monkeys and that Darwin's words are infallible? What about implementing Sharia law and confiscating bibles? What about the FEMA camps for dissenters? What about putting chemicals in jet plane contrails?
Sure, we try to get everyone to covet. We put ads all over the place to convince people that they need a bigger TV and a bigger truck and a bigger house and a prettier wife and all-you-can-eat pasta at the Olive Garden. But there's oh so much more to our agenda than just that!
Paul from SA| 9.20.11 @ 9:31PM
I think Perry will continue to advertise his Christianity to distinguish himself from Romney's Mormonism, which for some reason, is being kept a secret from the public.
POST American| 9.20.11 @ 11:10PM
--------------------BOTTOM LINE----------------------
CFR/Bilderberg front, 'CON--serve--ative'
Perry may never be able to face down the
GARDASIL injection scandal, or his support
for GATT/NAFTA and the 'Banker Bailout'
--to say nothing of his involvement with
that other CFR set up --AL GORE.
NOW, forget about Perry's 'christianity'
---GO! clean the ROCK--F--L--O 'Council of
Churches' fronts, infiltrators, informers
and, MOST OF ALL -------Luciferian FREEMASONRY
---out of your churches.
----Then we must ALL get small, REAL small.
----------Then REPENT.
sunglasses | 9.21.11 @ 12:53AM
Amazing!!!
Seeuinoz | 9.21.11 @ 1:11AM
Intellectually, where would you rank the following people ?
Charles Darwin... Albert Einstein... Stephen Hawkins
Charles Darwin in 1879 (died 1882): "an Agnostic would be the more correct description of my state of mind."
Albert Einstein in 1950 (died 1955): "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic.
Stephen Hawkins in 2011: "A belief that heaven or an afterlife awaits us is a "fairy story"
Denise| 9.21.11 @ 4:05AM
But if 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery' is correct then why do so many conservatives enjoy adultery so much? are they masochists?
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Denise| 9.21.11 @ 4:07AM
Also would help to cut the Perry-boosting. Makes the article look too much like special
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POST American| 9.21.11 @ 5:19AM
----Speaking of Einstein, ALAN WATT
has discovered telling inconsistencies in
the 'official' Einstein legacy.
Einstein was a mediocre student,
later working a mediocre position
at a patent office (ie Masonic stronghold).
He then suddenly emerges as the
'briiliant' discoverer of relativism etc.
But, afterward, he did NOT much participate
in the central atomic research programs of his time
---yet, amazingly, was ever spouting and writing on such
'agenda advancing' themes as
world government, and world peace etc.
With the passage of time, his legacy, his
actual, authentic legacy, is begining to look
dubious ---even set up. CHECK IT OUT.
Darwin, of course, like that other high Mason,
mediocre journalist, and friend of Darwin's, Karl 'Marks'
-------was a complete and utter set up.
He was merely regurgitating doctrines and
'RE--search' long on the scene ---BUT he
was heavily, very heavily, promoted by the
'Heir--is--TOXIC' rats of London banking
and establishment. There's no one who'll
deny these days that he was put out there
to DESTROY genuine, scriptural, christianity
----indeed, christianity altogether.
The Darwin family had been bred exclusively
with the Wedgwood family for centuries.
When his wife died ---he married his mother's sister.
The 'theories' of evolution are nothing
more than the doctrines of Brahminic
hinduism -----and deadly capstone
'Social Darwinist' Freemasonry.
Hawking we don't know the background on.
Nevertheless, we find the 'synchronicity' of
his 'discoveries', a bit too marvelously 'on cue'
with larger, on the go 'age--endas' to be taken
without a grain of, in these Fukishima fallout
days, iodized salt.
Margaret| 9.21.11 @ 7:24PM
If Rick Perry's belief that violating the Sixth Commandment -- thou shalt not kill -- is a crime why is he killing in revenge convicted murderers.
If the Liberals belief that violating the Sixth Commandment -- thou shalt not kill -- is a crime why are they slottering unborn human beings
Margaret| 9.22.11 @ 3:52PM
I will give you an answer to my own question why Rick Perry and Liberals reject the Sixth Commandment.
THEY ARE PLAYING GOD!
They reject the First Commandment.
obadiah| 9.22.11 @ 8:57PM
gov perry shoots from his mouth. many people who shoot from their mouths support gov perry, at least the ones who favor his kind of ammo. the problem is, i don't remember the last time a guy won the presidency by shooting from his mouth. gov reagan, for example, had a custom of understatement, except for certain dramatic moments that were carefully selected.