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Ken (Old Texican)| 9.13.11 @ 6:59AM

My letter that comes before Q and after O is broken or disabled. Does anyone here know how to fix it?
(In the mean time I will substitute "B")
OF COURSE THE OTHER CANDIDATES ARE BILING ON OUR GOVERNOR!

He is the only one with a bositive record and a healthy State...for ten years.

So yeah, they and the bundits will bick scabs on a couble of mistakes he has made...over ten years.

None...None ...of the other candidates can run on their records. They haven't done much bositive stuff to talk about.

Now,
everyone of you know I earnestly ray that Sarah will run.
As far as I can tell, she or Rick are the only ones with the backbone and musculature to go to Washington and fight the good fight against the communists, (ardon the shorthand).

Teaghan| 9.13.11 @ 8:20AM

Ken, it sounds like you need a new keyboard. Are you on a desktop? If so, that's an inexpensive fix. Laptop keyboard cost me $100, installed by a professional.

Jack in Wi.| 9.13.11 @ 6:10PM

The Republican elites have 2 of the dumbest and most ineffective candidates they have ever put out. Romney with his magic Mormon underwear and Perry with his big Bilderburger ring are imploding before Ocotober. Who's next, bringing back Cheney?

Bob Grant| 9.13.11 @ 2:23PM

Ken,

He's Bush light on immigration. I (b)ray (B)erry and Bachmann do well because it lessens the chances (B)alin enters the race because if she does, and causes the ex(b)ected mischief only Sarah can create, it will be say hello to president re-elect Obama.

I will do everything in my (b)ower to make sure this does not ha(b)(b)en.

Go Bachmann!!...Go (B)erry!!

Vern Crisler| 9.13.11 @ 10:08PM

I have to say, after watching the debate, I've begun to lose interest in Rick Perry, and I've gained more interest in Michelle and Herman Cain. Perry came across as too arrogant, and couldn't reassure us that his absurd policies on inoculations and illegal immigration were mere exceptions to his conservative outlook. Instead, it seemed like for Perry, he's really a statist at heart, and it comes bubbling up to the surface at odd moments. His conservatism is just the odd overlay that he chucks when it suits him. Better than Romney I suppose, but that isn't saying much.

Bob Grant| 9.13.11 @ 11:52PM

I'm disappointed in him but not surprised. The two ladies from the GOP Texas Governor primary last year beat up on him over the same issues with similar responses from Perry.

He seems to hold his cards too close to his vest. This might work running for governor in Texas but not on a national level.

You must know there was a reason Perry refused to debate the democratic candidate last year in the general. We're seeing the reason in real time.

Perry better learn to be a better debater or he's toast. I suppose better to weed him out early rather than further down the road. I hoped for more.

WJ| 9.13.11 @ 2:39PM

Giving in state tuition to illegal aliens is the "American Way"?! Your governor is a buffoon.

The more he talks the dumber he looks.

Buck Ofama| 9.13.11 @ 3:52PM

and Ovomit is a silly BUNT.

Clint| 9.13.11 @ 7:01AM

Perry got body slammed on The HPV vacine and in state tuition to illegal aliens.

Bob Grant| 9.13.11 @ 2:25PM

His incoherent attempt at debunking global warming during last weeks' debate was alarming to say the least.

This guy better step up his game or he's toast sooner than later.

Vern Crisler| 9.13.11 @ 10:10PM

Global warming debunks itself; it doesn't need Perry's help.

Have you considered| 9.13.11 @ 7:02AM

I have mentioned both these issues recently here at TAS. They are valid...and troubling to me.

Unfortunately, there is no candidate out there that I support without reservation. Once again it seems we are forced to accept the lesser of several evils. Sooo disheartening IMO.

A couple of other negative points regarding Perry are:

1) His support for expensive and unreliable wind power, which includes mandating it's use and taxpayer subsidies. I don't know if he has walked back this position, but I want a candidate that will Fight Against this, and other "green" related boondoggles at the national level.

2) Borrowing. I read that Texas did not borrow prior to Perry's time in office. Previously, Texas representatives were forced to live within the bounds of their own courage. In other words, if they wanted to spend money, they had to make their case to the people at the time, and raise taxes to pay for it if needed.

Borrowing merely hides from citizens the actual cost of government. This is why we are in the mess that we are in.

If We The People had to feel the pain of actually forking over all the cash for federal government operations, instead of having the pain masked by borrowing, I believe we would have a much more active and informed citizenry than we do.

SpiralArchitect| 9.13.11 @ 12:11PM

Gingrich, Santorum & Cain are all of presidential caliber... tobay not many agree.

Jack in Wi.| 9.13.11 @ 6:07PM

Gingrich is like the military budget. He is big, bloated, corrupt, ineffective,and massively out of control.

Oldefarte| 9.14.11 @ 1:51PM

Who, unlike yourself, is NOT JUST PLAIN STUPID!!!!!!!!!

martin j smith| 9.13.11 @ 7:02AM

Do the republicans in the debate really want to compete to see who is best or kill each other off leaving Obama standing ? That is the question that goes thru my mind. An honest assessment in these debates is this every single candidate has flaws. Of course Obama is flawless right ? The reality is who can come out on top with dignity in tact on their own steam not as a result of
manipulation. My perspective : Its a three person race--Bachman,Perry and Romney. Of the three Romney I am distrusting the most
because I sense him as more elitist than the other two( comparatively ) and if the NYT likes him or pushes for him that is the kiss of death as far as I am concerned,

black knights1802| 9.13.11 @ 7:25AM

Excellent point.
When the left tells us who we should nominate to run against Obama, that is exactly who we shouldn’t nominate.

rightasrain| 9.13.11 @ 9:12AM

I agree with you about Romney. I've been trying to put my finger on what I find so off-putting about him. It's something more than just his hollow core and pretzel-logic defense of the odious Romneycare. Maybe there's something vaguely pathetic about the loser from 2008 trying to buy the nomination again. He seems a lot like Obama these days---way more interested in winning the ego-driven contest than in governing.

Paul from SA| 9.13.11 @ 9:29AM

I agree with you too.

Mriordon| 9.13.11 @ 7:11AM

I have to be honest, I didn't watch the whole debate. They are boring and there are way too many people "debating". I did see the gardasil exchange and am familiar with the line of attack. I don't see where the gardasil is that important. I think what Perry tried to do was a bad idea- but it never happened. "I'm offended for all the little girls and the parents who didn't have a choice." Well, the fact is they did have a choice, there was an opt-out provision. Perry, in retrospect, also thinks this was a bad idea and has apologised. Romney on the other hand, invented Obamacare- which is still a plague on his state- and he's proud of it. His explanation sounds good, but it makes no sense- Mitt is way too slick in explaining all his past u-turns and screw-ups. Perry did his own mini-dream act, I don't agree with that. But he is the only candidate who has had to deal with massive illegal immigration because neither Obama nor Bush would protect our border- the rest of them can talk all they want, but they've never had to deal with the problem. As President though, I am totally convinced he would do everything he could to protect the border and stop illegal immigration. I believe what I am saying is that Perry is plenty conservative for me, has weathered the storms well and will get better as time goes on.

John Navratil| 9.13.11 @ 7:44AM

Mriordon,

In my view, the Gardasil dustup was never about the Gardasil (I got it for my daughter). It was about Perry playing king and mandating it by executive order. I take Perry at his word that his intentions were noble (he has a family member stricken with cervical cancer, it seems) and he has acknowledged that he "got to far in front" of the issue.

I view Perry as the least dangerous of the two candidates I consider capable of beating Obama and, were the vote today, he would have mine. I will remain suspicious of any man who feels he can rule by diktat.

Dan Hirsch| 9.13.11 @ 10:47AM

Hey, the guy basically said, "I screwed up." Wouldn't that be refreshing? A politician manly (or womanly) enough to admit a mistake, learn from it, and move on?

Mitt, are you listening?

I didn't think so...

DTOM

Buck Ofama| 9.13.11 @ 4:00PM

Ovomit is not listening either... and we don't listen in turn.

TrueBlue| 9.14.11 @ 10:58AM

The fact that he has been willing to admit he screwed up in regard to Gardasil is why it's a non-issue for me. Now to just deal with his other problems, the college funding of illegals being one of the bigger ones.

I still personally favor Cain out of the bunch simply because as a businessman I know how he's going to be thinking. He'll be thinking about the money, our country's current primary issue by the way, and that can only be a good thing for our (mostly) capitalist society. So he has next to no foreign experience, so what? If he works with countries from a business standpoint (contracts, what's best for us economically, etc) how would that be a bad thing? Maybe he could even be the first president to stop giving money to countries that are not only of no benefit to us but constantly tell the world how evil we are, instead of trying to buy them off.

Sadly Cain doesn't have a big enough base and the media has soured too many people against big business types.

Teaghan| 9.13.11 @ 8:23AM

Are you from the NYT?

Have you considered| 9.13.11 @ 8:28AM

Mriordon, curious, exactly what have you heard or read that makes you think that Perry will do every thing he can to protect the US borders? I have not stumbled upon anything as yet to lead me to this conclusion.

Have you considered| 9.13.11 @ 8:46AM

I just went to rickperry.org, and there was no "issue" position on immigration at all.

This is not a good sign IMHO.

Dan Hirsch| 9.13.11 @ 10:49AM

Houston, we DO have a problem here...

Sarah Sarah Sarah!!!!

DTOM

Buck Ofama| 9.13.11 @ 4:02PM

NO NO NO... she will only give votes to the mulatto.

martin j smith| 9.13.11 @ 7:16AM

I also did not see the debates --I do not feel well when I watch such things--my stomach turns you know. However from what I gather I was really glad to hear that Ron Paul was booed over the blame America for 9/11 crap. He and John Huntsman are two I would never ever vote for
and I am really pissed that they are involved i the debates at all. I would vote for any of the others
most reluctantly for Romney.

Clint| 9.13.11 @ 7:37AM

This response to another poster over on the Ron Paul thread is interesting.

"Jared| 9.13.11 @ 7:23AM

You're officially the one person i know for a fact that hasn't read the 9/11 commission report or the pentagon reports from 2004 or the NSA reports from 2002. Which Ron Paul has been quoting for years, that say the exact same thing he said last night.

Ron predicted the another terrorist attack on the united states long before 9/11. Look it up.

People who don't agree with what he is saying are contrasting with all the government reports that have been issued. That, I believe, makes you a conspiracy theorist loon.

------
I'm also 90% sure this comment violates the posting rules: "Comments are routinely monitored and will be deleted if profane, bigoted, or grossly impolite. Please be respectful. "

If not the entire article itself."

Oldefarte| 9.14.11 @ 1:53PM

Too bad TAS does not also delete STUPID comments as well, as surely the above would qualify!!!!!!!

JP| 9.13.11 @ 7:28AM

The event just illustrated how poor the GOP field really is. It is hard to admit it, but this is the best the party has to offer. Very depressing.

Perry is an obvious imposter; Mitt wishes to run as Obama Lite; Paul is an eccentric; Bachmann is fading -as she should; Newt does what Newt does best - blabber (his words are music to many ears. It's his deeds that turned so many off).

Teaghan| 9.13.11 @ 8:26AM

And this of course is your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions :-)

JP| 9.13.11 @ 11:01AM

Funny you should say that; afterall, this is an opinion blog. Who would have guessed?

The GOP really has nothing to offer the electorate that is anything different from elections going back to 1988. First, there are the Mainstream Front-runners (Vanillia politicans like Mitt, or unprincipled operators like Perry), and an assortment of eccentrics, yesterdays' news, and the occaaisonal insane. It's really no different from 1988, when Pat Robertson ran, or 1996 or 2000 when Pat Buchanan and Alan Keyes ran. In 1996 the GOP gave the nation Dole, Kemp, and Gramm; in 2000 Bush and McCain, in 2008 McCain and Mitt. This election cycle is no different. And in 2016, the GOP will find another "moderate" statist (probably Huntsman or Mitch Daniels).

Drunken Sailor| 9.13.11 @ 11:20AM

So Obama can count on your vote? Alan, is this you?

Doctor Right| 9.13.11 @ 7:40AM

Perry took some hits last night, some of them justifiable. The Gardasill issue will hound him throughout the campaign, and he needs to have a better answer.

Nonetheless, it is refreshing to hear a politician say "I made a mistake" while the cameras are rolling. Additionally...aren't there more pressing issues facing our nation?

Regarding Bachman, she was outstanding, although her none-too-subtle insinuation of corruption on the Gardasill issue was a bit of a cheap shot.

John Navratil| 9.13.11 @ 7:48AM

Doctor Right,

More than a cheap shot, it was deceptive.

You're right that Perry needs to get past this issue. I would like to hear him say that while his intentions were good (he's said that), the use of executive order was wrong (I've not heard that). All I've heard is that he got "too far ahead" of the people - not very satisfying to me.

Con Chef (NB)| 9.13.11 @ 8:46AM

I'm with y'all two. When was the last time you heard one of these politicians say, "I f-ed up. I won't do that again," & actually BELIEVE the guy? I can't remember. He needs to put this issue to rest, & get the word out about the opt out provision. "Trust but verify." That's how I'm going about this one.

Drunken Sailor| 9.13.11 @ 10:40AM

Add me to that list. It's about time we had a politician that can admit he was wrong and not try to blame someone else. He admits he was wrong on the way he tried to implement Gardasill (even though I think it's a good idea), and Bachmann (and Santorum to a extent) took a cheap shot by ignoring the fact that had a opt out option. She pulled a Democrat ruse and played the emotion card. If you don't think that their are 12 year olds being molested or even talked into sex, then you underestimate the issue. Even girls raised to be proper and taugh abstinence can be at risk through molestation or peer pressure.

Perry needs to get better at his message that he was wrong. And as another poster stated he needs to be more clear on where he stands in illegal immigration. I know he thinks it is a national issue and not a state issue but he needs to quit thinking like a governor and start thinking like a President.

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 11:38AM

Yeah, this is really great. The candidates are so busy slamming each other that no matter who becomes the nominee the GOP will have done enough damage to make them unviable. Great way to re-elect the current President. Anyone interested in beating him or is it all about beating each other?

W| 9.13.11 @ 1:53PM

Bachman looked desperate by accusing Perry of ordering the "federal injections" because of a $5,000 campaign contribution from Merck. I like Bachman but I like her less now. Santorum came across as a mad dog on Gardasill. And I like Santorum.

Gardasill is safe and helps prevent cervical cancer. My wife took my daughters for the vaccine. Any responsible parent would do it. So Perry did it by executive order and not by a state law, big deal.

Bachman is over the top, using words like "federal injection," I thought she was talking about Clinton.

Al Adab, I am going to a Lebanese food festival at a church this weekend, any suggestions?

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 2:34PM

You will find a lot of rice and chick peas in the various dishes. Do try the Lahm Bi'ajeen, a meat patty, if you get the chance but watch out for goat meat.

As to the important matter of our candidates wounding each other, all that does it make a re-election more likely. Time to get focused on the goal. The gardisil issue is actually one of the government forcing people to a particular choice "for their own good". It is something government should not do. The climate for Liberty has changed greatly over the last three or four years away from solutions and back toward the defense of Liberty. Thos who have served in government therefor have baggage from earlier years.

Con Chef (NB)| 9.13.11 @ 3:19PM

You forgot dolmeh & kibbe! SHAME ON YOU!!!

Great. Now I've got a craving for both. Thanks, Al Adab!

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 4:02PM

What's for dinner? The list could get real long and of course Baklava.

BTW I followed your link through your name. That is a good site.

Con Chef (NB)| 9.13.11 @ 4:19PM

Thanks, Bro! I need to post some new stuff.

W| 9.13.11 @ 5:09PM

Thank you, Al. I will let you know about the food. It is in Pittsburgh if you are in the area. At the last one they called each other "cousin" a lot.

I agree with you about liberty issue. Bachman and Santorum went overboard, especially Bachman essentially accusing Perry of bribery. I wish these candidates would show the same fire and zeal about the intrusions by the IRS. You have to disclose your income, all earnings, what church and charity you donate, your entire financial life.
That is as intrusive to our liberty as you can get, and you have no privacy with IRS.

Thanks, again and will check out con chef.

W| 9.13.11 @ 5:24PM

Al and Con Chef,
This is the menu at Our Lady of Victory Maronite Catholic Church, Carnegie, Pa. (birthplace of Honus Wagner and Mike Ditka):

"Tastes of the Mediterranean excite the palate and satisfy the appetite, and here all the delicacies are made by *real* Lebanese cooks at Our Lady of Victory Maronite Catholic Church! Kibbee, Spinach Pie, Hummous, Lamb Kebab, Rice and Lubia...Bak-Lay-Wa, Farina CakeMaa'Mool and genuine Arabic coffee! Music, dancing and community fun provide the backdrop for a gastronomic adventure you just can't miss!"

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 5:40PM

Maybe we should all take advantage and use this as our AmSpec blogger convention. Yummy. Too far for me to get there though and how about those Phillies?

W| 9.13.11 @ 5:59PM

Al, are you in Philly?

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 6:30PM

No, like I said to far away to get to the Carnegie event.

W| 9.14.11 @ 10:15AM

Al Adab,
That is an interesting idea for a convention of the bloggers on this site. We could have debates, arguments, and who knows what else.

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 5:35PM

Cain had a fair idea about the tax structure with his 9,9,9. What we need to do is amalgamate the ideas our people have (Newt likewise has some) , find the electable candidate and get busy. Do our candidates feel that saving Liberty in America is more important than any of themselves? If so lets get busy.

John Navratil| 9.13.11 @ 6:10PM

W,

That fact that he did it by executive order and not by state law was the big deal. We see what damage a chief executive who thinks he is king can do and I don't want any of it from the current fool or from anyone else.

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 6:33PM

Both the mandate itself and the exec order are poor policy. The opt out provision is reverse. If one chooses to make something available to the public, allow them the choice to participate on request, not the choice to opt out.

W| 9.13.11 @ 7:26PM

John,
I agree that executive orders, especially at the federal leve, are not consistent with a republican government where the legislators are to pass the laws and the president sign or veto. They should be restricted.
My point here with Perry is he admitted the error, unlike Obama or Clinton or Bush with their executive orders, and the other candidates are just attacking for cheap political points. It will damage Perry and will damage them also with voters like me.
Enough is enough. Move on to drilling for oil and killing the terrorrists.

John Navratil| 9.13.11 @ 8:24PM

W,

Fair enough! It's time to move on, but I'd feel much better about it if Perry would actually say his actions were anti-democratic instead of weaseling around claiming to be "too far in front of the people".

Buck Ofama| 9.13.11 @ 4:04PM

>I'm with y'all two.

What? Do you cling to your guns and religion?
Any self-respecting non-Ovomit voter (like me) knows that the proper construction is: "I'm with all y'all."

Con Chef (NB)| 9.13.11 @ 4:19PM

Sorry, Buck, ole buddy!!!

Butch| 9.13.11 @ 4:45PM

A basic flaw in the English language is that there is no plural variant of "you." Southerners corrected that. No Southerner calls one person "y'all;" it is always plural. It is also superior.

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 6:36PM

Count me out on this one. ESL you know.

W| 9.13.11 @ 7:21PM

In Pittsburgh, "yinz' or "younz" is the plural of you.

John Navratil| 9.13.11 @ 8:26PM

Butch,

My wife would say y'all's for you-plural-possessive. Youch!

John Navratil| 9.13.11 @ 8:26PM

Butch,

My wife would say y'all's for you-plural-possessive. Youch!

Teaghan| 9.13.11 @ 8:28AM

Cheap shot, NO. Politics, YES.

Dan Hirsch| 9.13.11 @ 10:56AM

I am not entirely sold on Perry - my favorite hasn't entered the race, yet.

But I don't think the Gardisil issue would draw much fire from the Dems. They would take too much collateral damage from it; especially when Perry comes out with his "I screwed up" defense. Wouldn't that make BHO look teeny, tiny in the face of 17% U-6 unemployment!

DTOM

PS.
His illegal immigration non-position is quite troubling though.

Repeat after me, Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!

Why? Because there is no one on the planet whose lived life more decidedly and positively as a true, honest-to-God conservative than Mrs. P.

JimH| 9.13.11 @ 8:05AM

At one point during the debate when the subject of campaign contributions arose, it seemed Perry was more offended by his imputed low price rather than hat he could be bought. They may not read G.B. Shaw in Texas.

Tomp| 9.13.11 @ 8:44AM

Jon Huntsman, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul and Romney attacked Perry.
They certainly didn't sell themselves.
Cain and Newt stayed positive.

Mimi| 9.13.11 @ 9:50AM

Newt and Herman Cain are sounding better....the cream will eventually RISE. Can you ever imagine an "Obama" ever ....EVER saying I made a mistake....Thats how much better these guys are...at least were seeing some principles standing there ....instead of LIES ONLY!!

sjccoach| 9.13.11 @ 8:46AM

The more I read about Governor Perry and the more I see him in the debates, in my opinion he is Arlen Specter in cowboy boots.

Louis Jenkins| 9.13.11 @ 8:48AM

Let's be honest, to call Social Security a ponsi scheme is wrong. The citizens of the US have contributed to Social Security. Most likely 75% of the posters on this board are vested, and yet we still have to pay into it. Every American has a right to a refund of their money. Unfortunately, the hacks in DC are the ones who've spent the money, and of course its balance is nil. This is another example of the dishonest naybobs in DC. Yes, many of you will laugh about a refund, but remember, we paid into the fund. They owe the money!! So Mr. Perry, and others, don't characterize it as a ponsi scheme.

rightasrain| 9.13.11 @ 9:01AM

Except for the fact that while you are required to pay into the Social Security system the Supreme Court has ruled that the government is not required to pay you one dime of what you paid in and could end the program at any time without refunding your money. Sounds Ponzi-like to me.

Phil Sukalewski| 9.13.11 @ 9:35AM

I second what rightasrain said and add:

When the social security system was started, there were 140 workers paying in for every 1 receiving payouts, now the ratio is 3 to 1.

Dan Hirsch| 9.13.11 @ 11:04AM

Uh-oh Now it's1.75 to 1 with the current employment statistics...

Looky here:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/ar.....-recipient

And Social Security has been called a Ponzi scheme by many on both sides of the Aisle.

Hey Louis, what's wrong with calling it a Ponzi scheme? Actually, calling Social Security a Ponzi scheme is an INSULT to Ponzi schemers everywhere. They have to SELL their suckers on their deal. The federal government has nuclear weapons to make you pay up. And nobody get's out, unless of course you are in the Government...

Louis, is it wrong to call it that because you are a Ponzi schemer??

HeeHaw, jes' kiddin! Hearing it called an entitlement brings my blood to a full boil in seconds. I even lectured Paul Ryan on that point in a town hall meeting a few weeks ago. We PAID that money, Damnit!

Don't Tread On Me.

Oldefarte| 9.13.11 @ 4:33PM

'..... NewsmaxCNN Poll: Social Security 'No Monstrous Lie' Tuesday, September 13, 2011 07:33 AMNearly seven in 10 Republicans disagree with Rick Perry's recent comments that Social Security is a "monstrous lie," according to a CNN/Opinion Research poll.Seventy-two percent of those asked whether they thought the description was fair and accurate said they were inaccurate. Among Republicans only, that number was 69 percent. Among self-described conservatives, it was 67 percent, Politico reports.Social Security played a prominet role at Monday night's Tea Party debate, where former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney took on Perry on the popular entitlement program. The poll indicates it's not smooth sailing for Perry on the matter......'

Mimi| 9.13.11 @ 9:59AM

Didn't you hear Newt say that the economy roaring instead of "STOPPING" will make a change in Soc.Sec. un-necessary. One thing...the time wasted on being critics of each other would have better been spent on going after OBAMA and his destruction and un-wanted policies bringing havoc and chaos to our NATION!

darcy| 9.14.11 @ 1:28AM

Several comments here have reflected your sentiments, Mimi, that the GOP candidates should be going after the President and not each other. But I disagree, at least for the most part. I think that during these prime time debates most voters are getting their first glimpse of at least half the field. Why, even the retreads are new faces to the 14 and fifteen-year-olds of four years ago. So I see the debates as an opportunity to distinguish oneself from the others; and one certainly won't be doing that by talking about what a nice guy Newt is, for example.

The time to go for Obama's jugular is during the general, when we want to see some solid trouncing of the evils the One's regime has wrought upon our nation.

The best candidate, however, should be able to do both during these debates: serve up Obama rare with at least one good punch, then drive home -- in Reagan-style (if capable) -- why voters should avoid the rest of the contenders and start cheering you on.

JohnC| 9.13.11 @ 9:10AM

How can anyone who is to the left of John McCain on immigration be leading in the polls? The reason is that the talk radio guys, led by Rush, have been singing Lefty Rick’s praises as a conservative savior.

These are the same guys who carried GWB’s liberal water for 8 years resulting in GOP losses of both Houses. We need a new Tea Party patriotic media fast or America is lost.

hummer| 9.13.11 @ 9:53AM

I agree, Perry is being pushed because he is also part and parcel of the Bilderberg Group! That means he's a wold in sheep's clothing! Read One World Government! He didn't even have the guts to stand with Arizona in their fight against illegal immigration! I'll pass on him, thank you very much! I also agree with the description of Romney, you see he is as big a flip-flopper as there is in DC. I'll wait and see if Palin runs, if not it will have to be either Bachmann or Cain!

Drunken Sailor| 9.13.11 @ 10:42AM

Another Bilderberg group consipracy believer? Wow you guys must be breeding like rabbits. And least your ramblings are easier to read than Post American.

Dick Nome| 9.13.11 @ 11:05AM

Do you fly Black Helicopters or just watch them.

Dan Hirsch| 9.13.11 @ 11:08AM

Look out for the wolds in sheep's clothing.

But you have to give them credit-do you have any idea how many sheep you have to strip to get enough clothing to cover a wold? Look it up!

PS: A "wold" is defined as an elevated tract of open country...DH

PPS Taking time to proofread your posts prior to posting is only good manners. DH

JohnC| 9.13.11 @ 9:28AM

Rick agrees with Obama on immigration and is also to the left of Obama on Afghanistan, yet he is Rush’s dream candidate – alas, the naïve base is being fooled once again by the GOP talk-radio media?

Doctor Right| 9.13.11 @ 9:52AM

Rick Perry is NOT Rush Limbaugh's "dream candidate". Limbaugh has NOT endorsed anyone.

Dick Nome| 9.13.11 @ 11:07AM

Rush has endorsed nobody. You should listen some time. You might learn something instead of regurgitating what the backbenchers puke up.

Dan Hirsch| 9.13.11 @ 11:16AM

JohnC,

Doctor Right is rightly named on this point. Mr. Nome is also correct.

El Rushbo has been quite pointed in his refusal to endorse anybody for the primary. A refusal that he steadfastly maintained since 1992.

Although I did hear him say he was re-evaluating that position this time around because of the importance of this election...

You might listen to him once in a while yourself...

DTOM

PS: Do you listen enough? Here's a quick Rush fan test question: Can you name the three Marks?

Dan Hirsch| 9.13.11 @ 1:21PM

But a little while ago he threw out Huntsman and Ron Paul as unelectable....

Mike Hawk| 9.13.11 @ 3:33PM

He's not alone on that one. Levin has been saying that too. Paulbots hate Levin BTW and he returns the favor. "Get outta here, you idiot."

Mike Hawk| 9.13.11 @ 3:31PM

Yes.

Peppermint Tea| 9.13.11 @ 9:32AM

"Ponzi" refers to a scheme that pays early investors from money gathered from later investors, while not legitimately investing the money in companies that produce wealth. It fails when the scheme runs out of investors. The soc security retirees from 1940 until now are the early investors, and because of lower US birthrates and unemployment, the number of later investors will decline rapidly over the next 15 years. The Ponzi scheme is up. There is no SS lockbox.

I'm disappointed in Romney and others who attack Perry and Paul for saying it, but who likely know it just as well. They demagog the issue and make the resolution of soc security less likely.

Dick Nome| 9.13.11 @ 11:08AM

Romney has in fact called SS an Ponzi scheme and called it criminal in his book.

NYMPH| 9.13.11 @ 11:44AM

Yes, and now he is attaching others for saying it. What does that say about Romney?

Oldefarte| 9.13.11 @ 4:31PM

'.... CNN Poll: Social Security 'No Monstrous Lie'
Tuesday, September 13, 2011 07:33 AM
Nearly seven in 10 Republicans disagree with Rick Perry's recent comments that Social Security is a "monstrous lie," according to a CNN/Opinion Research poll.Seventy-two percent of those asked whether they thought the description was fair and accurate said they were inaccurate. Among Republicans only, that number was 69 percent. Among self-described conservatives, it was 67 percent, Politico reports.Social Security played a prominet role at Monday night's Tea Party debate, where former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney took on Perry on the popular entitlement program. The poll indicates it's not smooth sailing for Perry ......'

rightasrain| 9.13.11 @ 6:00PM

Given the facts about SS, it amazes me that more people don't know that it's a big, fat fraud. but, as someone once said, you'll never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. At least the poll reflects Perry's political courage. It shows his critique of SS isn't some poll-driven, media consultant-tested stunt.

Oldefarte| 9.14.11 @ 1:57PM

No, it just possibly indicates his political stupidity though [which will be proven/disproven by the eventual winner of the Republican nomination, since the whole idea is to get elected]!!!!

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 6:11PM

What was it the guy said in that movie, "You can't handle the Truth". American voters have been fed the toxin of entitlement for so long they have come to believe the lie. If they in fact cannot handle the truth, then liberty is without hope.

fmm| 9.13.11 @ 9:36AM

Perry had a very disappointing performance and did more damage to himself than the attacks. He appeared disinterested most of the time, in a "why am I here" way, his comments were disjointed and non-energetic. His defense of the two issues he was attacked on were incomplete and lacking conviction as though he thought he were guilty of something. If he keeps on this way, Romney will be the GOP candidate.

Dan Hirsch| 9.13.11 @ 11:17AM

This thing is a long, long way from over -

DTOM

Paul from SA| 9.13.11 @ 10:04AM

I lost all respect for Michelle Bachmann and Rick Santorum. The HPV vaccine had an opt-out. She even admitted it, but later said it was a mandate. They claimed he supports amnesty for illegals. The GOP is imploding.

Cain and Gingrich were terrific.

Sean| 9.13.11 @ 10:53AM

Most parents do not know about the opt out provision and it isn't made easy for them.

Mimi| 9.13.11 @ 10:27AM

Romney didn't look strong and classy going after Perry.... kinda ADOLESCENT LIKE !
Santorum remains decent and the most Conservative.....he may have just put an end to RON PAUL's credibility !
If our intentions is to move toward a " FOUNDING FATHERS America" Santorum and Bachmann are strongest in that vain. If it's business as usual Republicanism a Romney/ Perry duo is it!!!

JohnC| 9.13.11 @ 11:27AM

I do listen to Rush – several months ago he stated that conservative imposter Rick Perry was his dream candidate before he entered the race.

Yes, Rush does not officially endorse candidates but it is easy to figure out his favorites and Rockefeller Republican Rick is high on his list.

Rush has a long history of defending or only tepidly criticizing liberal Republicans and thus he hurts conservatism and the GOP big-time. A prime example is how he consistently covered for GWB and the GOP lost both Houses.

If a RINO does win the White House We -The-People need to put pressure on the GOP talk-radio guys to hold his/her feet to the conservative fire, not to cover for them.

Drunken Sailor| 9.13.11 @ 2:09PM

So what your saying is if Rush doesn't back a libertarian than he isn't conservative either?

That's basically what all the arguments your Ron Paul supporters say, the only people that are conservative are Libertarians.

You do realize that Libertarians equal the FAR Right, don't you?

hardcard| 9.13.11 @ 11:38AM

divide and conquer = obamasoros..... discuss the positive constructive issues to form a concensus or the USA is gone.

ER| 9.13.11 @ 11:47AM

Governor Perry effectively swung the dialogue to HIS position on Social Security. No bashing from the rest as in the first debate. Only an anemic , "I wouldn't use that term" by Romney. ALL OF THEM BASED Social Security. As the FACTUAL information is disseminated on the HPV vaccine (it is SAFE, it is LIFE SAVING, it prevents sexually transmitted HPV , i.e. communicable, and the main cause of often FATAL cervical CANCER) Bachmann's "feisty" position will wilt into Gorelike scaremongering, and Santorum's passionate explanation on the difference between childhood immunizations and Cervical Cancer prevention immunizations , will be revealed as misinformed. The relative importance of clumsily ordering a LIFE SAVING vaccine, compared with the destruction of Israel's embassy, 17 trillion in dept; and 20% unemployemtn, and PONZI Security, will be evident over the long campaign ahead. Is Merck evil? Come on! For INVENTING a CURE for cancer? Great CONSERVATIVE debate last night in TAMPA, great group of Republicans.

sailorguy| 9.13.11 @ 12:11PM

Why didn't anyone question Perry -- who, like other GOPers, has attacked stimulus spending by the Obama Administration as a failure -- for applying for and taking federal stimulus dollars. To help Texas balance its 2010-2011 budget?
http://www.politifact.com/texa.....lus-fund-/

Paul from SA| 9.13.11 @ 12:16PM

I've already decided I cannot and will not vote for Romney. He's the establishment candidate like John McCain. The elites want Romney as so many headlines on Republican websites are declaring Romney the clear winner.

I WILL NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY! (and I think many millions of conservatives agree)

Paul from SA| 9.13.11 @ 12:17PM

QUESTION FOR TAS POSTERS:

Which candidates have you already decided against?

Drunken Sailor| 9.13.11 @ 12:30PM

Against Paul :Foreign policy ideas
Romnety: Romneycare.

All others I am watching though at this point my vote is Perry's to lose.

That being said I will vote for any of them against Obama

Butch| 9.13.11 @ 4:56PM

Right with you, Sailor. Including against Huntsman: liberal; now, very reluctantly, against Bachmann, I guess. She pretty much accused Perry of accepting a bribe without offering any evidence, and used "forced" as a verb re HPV innoculations, when she had to know there was an opt out: perceived bomb thrower.

irish19| 9.13.11 @ 9:57PM

Same here. Same reasons. I would also add Huntsman to the list like Butch.

rightasrain| 9.13.11 @ 12:30PM

In the exceedingly unlikely event that Huntsman or Paul got the nomination, I would probably stay home. All others, despite my disagreement with them on some issues, I would happily vote for against Oblahblah.

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 5:55PM

Not Paul; Not Romney

darcy| 9.14.11 @ 1:41AM

Not Gingrich, not Huntsman, not Paul, not Perry, not Romney.

I'm only lukewarm on the remaining contenders. It's a fairly dismal roster, IMO. What we need is a Deus ex machina.

JFGalt| 9.13.11 @ 12:46PM

AS has become transparently so pro-Perry that it is ridiculous. Is someone here looking for a position in his administration?

rightasrain| 9.13.11 @ 1:01PM

Unless something changes, we can only choose from what's offered. As for the front-runners, I'll take Perry's squishiness on Gardasil and immigration over Romney's intellectual dishonesty over Romneycare.

Chuck| 9.13.11 @ 1:03PM

Perry clearly has shown in the debates he is a dysfunctional Presidential candidate. His only saving grace is Texas, a large electoral state that usually votes Republican. It will be interesting to see what the Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others virulently opposed to Obamacare do if Romney is the nominee. Stay tuned.

Dave| 9.13.11 @ 2:05PM

Perry? Pandering to illegals and pushing mandatory government backed agenda?

Really?

Hmm... I thought I covered this weeks ago.

Oh yeah. I did. Then a bunch of the monkeys jumped up and down on the limb and made some noise about how great Perry is and blah blah blah.

I live in Texas. I don't want Perry for Pres. He's a RINO. I keep telling you. He's not who you think he is.

WJ| 9.13.11 @ 2:44PM

You don't want Perry for your president and you are a Texan. Thank you for your honesty. My impression of other Texans that post here is that they know the guy is a clown but he one of their clowns therefore he is golden.

We can do better than Perry.

Wayne| 9.13.11 @ 9:48PM

I sure hope so. Else we are screwed.

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 2:38PM

Is it just me or are various posts dissappearing from the thread after a time?

Mark Jeffery Koch| 9.13.11 @ 3:28PM

When CNN asked a hypothetical question about a young man without insurance who is severely injured and requires hospitalization for six months, "Who would pay for his care? Should society "just let him die?" "Yes," came calls from the crowd. In the last debate people cheered when it was mentioned that more than 200 people were executed last year in Texas!

If that was not enough to disgust the viewer then watching hundreds of middle aged men and women rapturously applaud whenever one of the politicians spoke about privatizing Social Security, or the Ryan plan which will decimate Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid and remove the safety new that has protected tens of millions of Americans for several decades certainly was. The remarks and cheers from the candidates about criminalizing immigrants who arrived here illegally and who are cleaning toilets, working in hospital kitchens, and doing the most menial work possible was equally disgusting.

The Republican Party and the Tea Party make government out to be the enemy. Do they know that the police, fireman, teachers, first responders, military, and State and Federal workers who work hard every day in offices around the country are helping every single American every single day? Do they know that it is government that enforces our product safety laws, laws protecting our environment, and workplace safety rules? Are they aware when they get a prescription filled at the pharmacy that our government acts to ensure that the drug companies maintain certain standards? Do they know that toy manufacturers are not allowed to make toys that are toxic and can harm children because our government will not permit this?

The Tea Party and Republican Party want an America where only the strong survive. If they want any government at all it's government by the rich and powerful for the rich and powerful. If you care about the poor, the elderly, the sick, the middle class, and children the choice in 2012 is crystal clear.

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 4:08PM

As with most of your ilk, you confuse Republicans, the Tea Party and Conservatives. There are not synonomous. It is a tactic of the Left to portray them as such.

As to your what they want comment falacious as it is, what they want is a government dedicated to first the Liberty of the Citizens, second to the safety and security of the nation and thridly to free markets and limited government. After all, thqt is the nation our Constitution favored.

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 4:10PM

Sorry, it's "they are not synonomous. and the typos, fat fingers.

W| 9.13.11 @ 5:34PM

Everybody "cares" but the question is who pays for this care, and how much do we pay, and what about personal responsibility. While I oppose the personal mandate to buy a product or service, the hypo is a strong argument to make one buy health insurance so that the rest of us do not have to pay for an irresponsible man. I would have answered, start with the man's family to pay, take all that man's assets to pay, give him the care, and then garnish his wages for the rest of his life.

W| 9.13.11 @ 7:56PM

Mark Jeffrey Koch,
1. Do you really believe that manufacturers will make toxic toys if they could?
How long would this manufacturer be in business if it makes toxic toys, especially after a few class action personal injury lawsuits bankrupt it, and his insurance company cancels him/

2. Convservatives do not object to the first responders such as police, firefighters, ambulance, and others. Conservatives do object to the useless, expensive,wasteful bureaucrats at the Energy Dept, that produces no energy, and the Education Dept that doesn't educate anybody, the Bureau of Indian Affairs, the numerous staffers and speechwriters at the Congress and White House, the bloodsuckers at IRS, and numerous others.

3. Employers themselves police workplace safety because it is good business and because their insurers demand it for coverage under workers compensation and liability insurance. The same holds true for drug companies and pharmacies. One bad drug will produce a class action suit .

Government is necessary for certain limited actions, such as defense, police,fire, etc., not the pervasive nanny state you like.

Brian| 9.13.11 @ 4:03PM

Silly Repubs. In-state or out-state tuition makes little difference since Repubs passed laws making it free for most foriegeners anyways.

Mike Hawk| 9.13.11 @ 5:21PM

How do you know that?? Source please??

Brian| 9.13.11 @ 11:48PM

Guess I should have been clear. They are allowed to get student grants just like U.S residents.

Buck Ofama| 9.13.11 @ 4:08PM

The TV-addicted, non-thinking, non-reading, disinterested and ignorant general public ought to get over Newt's over-dramatized peccadillos and recognize that he's the one with the most wide-ranging experience, backbone, practicality and conservative conviction.

KyMouse| 9.13.11 @ 4:32PM

Speaking of under fire -- please forgive the OT -- I've just read that a couple of thousand people have pledged to march on the Israeli embassy in Amman, Jordan, on Thursday -- a follow-up to the attack on the Israeli embassy in Cairo.

RCV| 9.13.11 @ 4:42PM

Here's my Democrat's take on the Tea Party debate:

Perry demonstrated why he would be the most formidable GOP opponent against Obama. By refusing to join in the lets-jump-on-the-immigrants effort, led shamelessly by Romney (who demonstrated once again how devoid of principle he is), Perry made clear that he intends to contest the Hispanic vote against the Democrats. With his pick of Rubio for VP, he could well sweep the southwest - Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado and Arizona, as well as Florida. His answers on Gardisil -- my executive order route was a mistake, but the decision was right -- was perfect for the general election.

Santorum and Bachmann also scored high marks for their passionate performances, and will pick up some no-compromise Republicans upset with Perry on immigration and Gardisil. Both redeemed their earlier weak performances.

Huntsman was an utter crash and burn, and simply looked foolish. Cain was solid, but again has failed to stake out any unique position or gain any momentum. Gingrich was again an articulate cheerleader and commentator, but not a candidate -- it's not clear what he's doing there, other than hoping the others will commit some error and he'll be the last one standing.

Paul was his usual uncompromising, doctrinaire self, who got well-deserved boos for his blame-the-US-for-terrorism lines. It seems he is gearing up for another third party run by going after the more traditional Republicans with vehemence.

W| 9.13.11 @ 5:44PM

Bachman killed any chance to be the VP for Perry with her accusation of bribery.

On the in-state tuition for the children of illegal immigrants, the legislature passed the law with only four no votes, according to Perry. Thus even if he vetoed the bill, the veto would have been overriden. Texas has a large Mexican-American population, that explains the politics of the legislature and Perry's decision.

It makes sense to educate the children so they can get a decent job, and they should not be punished because their parents broke the law.

I agree about Huntsman, he is annoying and a distraction. He keeps bragging about Utah, but how tough is it for a Republican to win in Utah. Romney won in a Democratic state, and Perry won in a state with a large Hispanic population that usually votes for Dems.

RCV| 9.13.11 @ 6:03PM

No matter how one feels about illegal immigration, the in-state tuition policy for kids who have completed high school in the state and want to go to college is a no-brainer. Don't you want to turn them into productive, tax-paying citizens?

John Navratil| 9.13.11 @ 6:13PM

RCV,

I'll see Ken and raise him one. I'm agreeing with you TWICE, today!

Seek| 9.13.11 @ 7:00PM

I want to turn them into productive, tax-paying Mexican citizens. They don't belong in Texas or any other state.

RCV| 9.13.11 @ 7:29PM

No, I'd rather keep the smart, productive, college educated taxpayers and contributors, and send the lawbreaking public sponges back to Mexico.

W| 9.13.11 @ 7:57PM

RCV
We are all in agreement tonite.

Wayne| 9.13.11 @ 9:47PM

They are breaking US law by being here. They also have gotten years of free education.

RCV| 9.14.11 @ 4:31PM

so let's get the benefit of our past investments

W| 9.13.11 @ 7:18PM

Yes, I want to turn everybody into productive, tax-paying cititzens. I thought I said that.

Wayne| 9.13.11 @ 9:46PM

Of what country?

W| 9.14.11 @ 1:27PM

Wayne,
If they are college educated, productive tax payers, then I would like them in the USA. We need them.
You cannot punish children because their parents crossed the borders. Punish the parents, not the children.
The children will probably be conservaive and vote Republican.

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 6:17PM

W:
Don't forget when talking about VP, that Reagan took (voodoo econ) Bush anyway. Cain is right now perhaps a viable VP for almost any of them and Bachman could be his were it to go that way. We need it settled fast as we are doing more damage to each other than to the President.

RCV| 9.13.11 @ 10:51PM

Bush brought something to the table -- Texas as well as establishment Republicans, who were nervous about Reagan. Cain brings virtually nothing similar to the table and would draw a lot of fire for a total lack of experience.

Margie| 9.14.11 @ 2:15PM

Hmm. We can tell who Liberals are afraid of. LOL.

Herman Cain's total lack of experience? Are you sure you're not talking about Obama? Of the two, just exactly who does have executive experience?
We all know the answer to that, don't we?
LOL.

Yeah, it would be a shame to have somebody in the White House that has actual business experience, who actually knows how business operates, who actually has met payrolls and managed personnel.
Yeah, it'd be a shame to have somebody that actually had a job~ owning and running businesses, and knows how to create jobs.

Yeah, dang that old anti-Obama, anti Socialist free market enterprise loving Herman Cain!

Gotta snuff him out before he gets anywhere, right?

Gee, imagine having a President who actually wasn't a lawyer, too.

Personally, I'm praying for Herman Cain, that God continues to make him stronger, and to become the front runner.

Prayer, (says God), has great power in its effects!

RCV| 9.14.11 @ 4:33PM

Since you mentioned God, Margie, when are you going to answer my question about whether you believe Jesus is God. Until you do, no more lectures about Christian doctrine, please.

Joseph| 9.14.11 @ 7:06PM

Margie is scrambling to find a Bible verse to avoid saying if Jesus is God. The answer is yes or no, pick one.

RCV| 9.14.11 @ 4:34PM

Running a half-baked (pardon the pun) pizza chain is not preparation for head of the free world.

Reprobate Charlatan Vomitus| 9.14.11 @ 5:41PM

I don't bother with silly preparations for most power position in the known world free or otherwise, with real-world actual business experience, which I sanctimoniously patronize, when this is then contrasted with silly preparations for the position of someone whose only experience is as a community organizer, whom I sanctimoniously "supported from the beginning", on I just can't consistently comment in one thread without revealing the pathetic sanctimonious hypocrisy of an idiot matters.

Clint| 9.13.11 @ 6:27PM

Like Rush Said, You Can Tell Who ObamaBoys Like RCV Fear.

You're Scared Of The Tea Party & Our Tea Party Co-Favorite Presidential Candidate Dr.Ron Paul, Because He Scores Highest Among Independents In A Number Of Polls.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

RCV| 9.13.11 @ 10:53PM

I'm scared of Ron Paul being anywhere near responsibility for leading the head of the free world.

Oldefarte| 9.14.11 @ 1:59PM

Hint, Clintorous: You shouldn't CAPITALIZE all words, okay? They teach most of us that in the third grade!!!!!!!!!!

RCV| 9.14.11 @ 4:35PM

When he gets there, he'll learn it.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.13.11 @ 5:16PM

RCV,
it scares me that I pretty much agree with you here.
(smile)

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 5:23PM

We are beginning to seperate the wheat from the chaff. Time to get serious, stop wounding each other and get after the opposition. This IS a must win.

RCV| 9.13.11 @ 6:00PM

I think that's twice now, Ken. Who wudda thunk it?

Al Adab| 9.13.11 @ 6:24PM

RCV, Ken:
What's the old saying, Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

RCV| 9.13.11 @ 6:36PM

Ken: Given Palin's attack on Perry this afternoon, I don't think an endorsement is likely in the near future.

Drunken Sailor| 9.13.11 @ 7:46PM

I was just thinking the same thing. Wonder who she is going to back, if anyone?

BackToBasics| 9.13.11 @ 6:32PM

At least Perry is more honest than Bush II was about illegal immigration. Bush II told us he would enforce the immigration laws.

But I've said all along that Perry will be weak on illegal immigration. I've liked Bachman and Cain all along while they are in the primaries. For me it was a tossup between the 2. The are both intelligent and do not quibble too much when pressed on their core beleifs. But, my gut feeling is that I am beginning to think that Cain is a stronger candidate against Obam than Bachman is.

Paul from SA| 9.13.11 @ 6:39PM

I wonder about the immigration issue. In Texas, it just isn't the same as in CA or AZ. Perry has been playing it real safe with the hispanic vote in Texas because they are not the ultra-liberal, La Raza-type you see in CA. Most hispanics in San Antonio are conservative, but Democratic because many are so uneducated.

I really like Herman Cain, but....

Paul from SA| 9.13.11 @ 6:42PM

In San Antonio, every time La Raza or some other Mexican group plans a protest, about 100 people show up, and most are national reporters looking for an anti-Republican story to report. Most hispanics in SA are working, hard, to support their large families.

In CA, they don't seem to work and gather in large numbers for violent protests.

Seek| 9.13.11 @ 7:01PM

Hard-working doesn't mean legal. In any event, the newer arrivals as a whole are more likely to receive welfare and other transfer payments.

BackToBasics| 9.14.11 @ 2:11AM

I understand the but, but who knows...? The man is straightforward and articulate and has a math and science background at college. I get tired listening to the spin that lawyers can come up with regarding the use of terminology and the English language in general. Maybe a scientist/ CEO will be a straightshooter for a change and he will not have to worry about PC nonsense the way public-speaking white males do. I'll continue to back him over Perry during the primaries as long as he stays in.

Good to hear about the Texas Hispanics being less radical than those from CA, although not surprising, but my concern is that Hispanics will always go at least 60% for the Democrats. That's okay if they are REALLY legal since the numbers are manageable for Republicans to still win. But if the illegals get an amnesty probably 70% of those will always vote Democrat and then I think it's over for us as a cohesive, two or more party nation.

Clint| 9.13.11 @ 6:33PM

If you dig a little deeper into some recent polls, you'll find that Dr. Ron Paul is in FIRST PLACE among Independent voters...

PPP National Poll...

http://www.publicpolicypolling.....tional_...

Ron Paul 21%
Mitt Romney 17%
Michelle Bachmann 14%
Herman Cain 10%
Rick Perry 9%
Newt Gingrich 7%
Tim Pawlenty 6%
Jon Hunstman 4%
Sarah Palin 4%
Undecided / Other 9%

ARG Iowa Poll...

http://americanresearchgroup.c.....ry/rep/ia/

Ron Paul 24%
Mitt Romney 23%
Sarah Palin 15%
Jon Huntsman 7%
Rudy Guiliani 4%
Michelle Bachmann 2%
Gary Johnson 2%
Herman Cain 1%
Tim Pawlenty 1%
Buddy Roemer 1%

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

RCV| 9.13.11 @ 6:38PM

Don't matter. He has no chance of capturing the GOP nomination because his foreign policy views are anathema to most Republicans. And Americans aren't voting for a third-party Libertarian candidate.

Clint| 9.13.11 @ 8:04PM

Apparently, Obama LawBoy RCV Didn't Listen To How Many Candidates Parroted Dr.Ron Paul On Afghanistan , Libya, Etc., Not To Mention Parroting Dr. Ron Paul On The FED & Social Security.

The Tea Party Is Filled With Indies.

Drunken Sailor| 9.13.11 @ 7:49PM

Using old polls again Clint. July, before Perry even entered. Really? That's sad but if fits your M.O.

Clint| 9.13.11 @ 8:01PM

The Ricky Perry Algore HillarCare Cheerleader, Drunken Is In The Building.

Let's see how many Indies support Ricky Perry after Our Tea Party Candidate Michele Bachmann & Ricky Santorum Body Slammed Perry On The HPV Vacine Mandate For Little Girls & Giving In State Tuition to Illegal Aliens.

Oldefarte| 9.14.11 @ 2:01PM

He's in first place among inmates at insane asylums, that obviously the truth!!!!!

Margie| 9.14.11 @ 2:17PM

They've all got Paulbotulism disease.

Paul from SA| 9.13.11 @ 6:36PM

I've been reading lots of articles and reader comments today from various conservative websites and am impressed that so many are so informed.

And that's why I think the bomb-throwers like Bachmann, Santorum and now Palin, don't have a chance. We're too informed; they can't fool us.

Conservatives are not talking much about supporting Bachmann or Santorum. (Pawlenty is a loser loser.)

Santorum thinks we can build a fence in the middle of the Rio Grande.

Bachmann was the worst I've seen from her and she continued her liberal-type attacks today. I think it's going to backfire. She said the vaccines had an opt-out but kept saying it's mandatory. I really thought she took cheap shots of disrepect for Perry and informed people.

Romney has peaked. He's been preparing and running for prez for years now and I'm still not impressed.

Ron Paul and John Huntsman will soon not be included in future debates because of lack of support.

Liberals fear Perry the most.

RCV| 9.13.11 @ 6:40PM

As I said above, I think Perry would be the strongest GOP candidate. But the danger is that if no-compromise conservatives gang up on him, as Santorum and Bachmann did last night, joined by Palin today, Romney might squeek by.

Paul from SA| 9.13.11 @ 6:44PM

Agree. Early polling is showing some movement today, but it's early and probably temporary.

Paul from SA| 9.13.11 @ 6:48PM

Yep. I just re-read your 'Democrat's take' and think it's an accurate assessment.

Funny how we know their point-of-view, but they have no clue about ours.

BackToBasics| 9.14.11 @ 2:20AM

I still worry about crossover votes in primary states that allow it. The Dems were instrumental in getting McCain the nomination in 2008. They'd go for Romney for sure. Huntsman might even get 5% in a few states (4% from Dems, 1% from RINOs).

RCV| 9.14.11 @ 11:15AM

No Democrats are interested enough in Huntsman to walk across the street to help him. Honestly.

RCV| 9.14.11 @ 11:17AM

But there are far left, anti-military Democrats who will try to support Paul. The same folks who were for Kucinich on the Democratic side.

Wayne| 9.13.11 @ 9:44PM

Perry is an idiot who could give the Democrats the election, but scaring the seniors, favoring illegal aliens to US citizens is not a path to victory. He comes off as a slick used-car salesman. No thanks. He is not getting nominated.

Solo| 9.13.11 @ 7:14PM

Well...last night's debate finally proved one thing:
Bachman is not only an intellectual lightweight, but is a vicious little tramp willing to advance a bald faced lie in order to advance her own political career.

Hint to the slow to catch-on: If there is an "Opt-out" provision, then it is NOT a "Mandate"!

Oh....and it is not a "government injection". It's a vaccine. And a good one! But...if you don't want to spare your daughter an agonizing death due to cervical cancer, then by all means....OPT OUT!

We should ask Michelle if she has taken the science to heart and vaccinated the females among her 8000 children (or..whatever the number is up to).

Initially...her mindless cheer-leading was just annoying. but now, however, I am developing a serious dislike for the bitch.

Wayne| 9.13.11 @ 9:42PM

I thought Perry came off as a dimwit. He praises his giving instate tuition to students in Texas illegally. How does that make him a tea party candidate. He comes off as another Obama. One is enough.

POST American| 9.13.11 @ 10:48PM

---------------------FINAL WORD-----------------------

AS this may be the LAST even tokenly American
pesidential election we ever see ( theUN to be brought
forward as 'world authority' after 2012 )
----you'd better take a good deep look at Perry's record:

-Former campaign manager for Al Gore

-Logan Act violating Bilderberg attendee

-Supporter of 'sanctuary cities'

-Supporter of the infamuos 'Banker Bailout'

-Presided over sell out of state infra structure
to Globalist FOREIGN entities

-Support for CARBON TAXES and VAT

-Aggressively mandated and pushed the
deadly GARDASIL injections on girls

-NO meaningful action, or even statements,
on our NAFTA collapsed borders, culture
and sovereignty

-NEVER, throughout his administration,
so much as a word about the awesome Globalist RED China
sellout and TREASON OP ----or the sinister, and
ON THE MOVE agendas of the PRIVATE,
Global EUGENICS front U.N.

And finally:

-Just weeks ago, he sided with the Globalist
'Feds' by siding with the ILLEGAL TSA
on hte matter of state jurisidciton,
and the good people of Texas.

-------Remember kiddies ---this could very well be your last chance.

-------------------------REALLY--------------------------

Paul from SA| 9.14.11 @ 9:38AM

You are incredibly uniformed. You are reciting Democrat talking points.

Nite| 9.13.11 @ 11:02PM

I was disappointed in Bachmann and Santorum last night regarding the HPV vaccine. They were shrill, vicious and uninformed. The vaccine was mandated so the insurance companies would cover it. However, not all insurance companies cover all vaccines. Parents can opt out of ANY vaccine in the state of TX. Now as to the border fence. A river is the dividing point. Most of the land is private owned, would you fence off the owners cattle from the river? Perry wants troops on the border and drones. Securing the border is a federal responsibility, and to date Obama has refused. TX has spend $400 million dollars trying to fight the cartels etc. There is 1800 miles of border. TX can't do it without help period. Now as to tuition in the colleges. The bill was passed by the full Legislature with 4 no's. If Perry vetoed the bill, the Legislature would override the veto. So Perry signed the bill. He takes responsibility for his own actions. He is flat spoken and supported the tea party long before other politicians. He is a fiscal and social conservative, believes in securing the border, strong military, pro-life, and a good friend of Israel. Regardless of what people on this site are calling him things like big government, RINO, etc. You are wrong. I am from TX and know what he stands for. My spouse and I have voted for him in 3 elections and will vote for him in the primary and if he wins, will vote for him in the general election. He is the only one in this group who can beat Obama and his teleprompter. By the way, TX is burning, and Perry has asked for a federal disaster declaration, but Obama hasn't responded. Perry has butted heads with Obama on the EPA as well. The feds came to TX and said they were taking over the fire control. They immediately grounded several tanker planes that were used in the fire fighting, and sent home a lot of volunteer firemen, some of which had driven all night. This appears to be a concentrated effort to just let TX burn by the Obama administration. Now do you think that Perry wants to beat Obama in the worst way? I do and he can.

Kodiak Jack| 9.14.11 @ 12:06AM

Perry reminds me of the Robert Preston character in Music Man.

fag bearings| 9.14.11 @ 4:47AM

That's the American way

tadcf| 9.14.11 @ 10:50AM

Stacey McCain has found his niche: Straight reporting of events--since he can't stand the heat of editorial reporting (evidenced by my being blackballed from commenting with opposing opinions on his site "The Other McCain"). His current reporting role is a safe position.

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