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A Further Perspective
Can Israel Save America?
A week in Israel confirms that it could indeed.
A week in Israel makes one wonder why Americans obsessed with the Arab-Israeli pseudo-peace process think they know how to “save Israel from itself.” They try incessantly to ram a deal down Israel’s throat in which Israel makes concrete, irrevocable concessions up front, in return for abstract, revocable promises from the Palestinians. The formula produced serial disasters for Israel: it traded land for lies in the 1993 Oslo Accords, when it ceded land and got terror in return — when peace was promised. It vacated southern Lebanon in 2000 and offered the Palestinians 97 percent of the West Bank, all of Gaza and three percent of Israeli land adjacent to Gaza, with a land bridge between Gaza and the West Bank, plus shared sovereignty in Jerusalem, only to see the failure to allow Arabs to flood the Jewish state and extinguish it led to the second Intifada suicide-bombing campaign. It vacated Gaza in 2005, uprooting settlers, only to get 8,000 rockets in return.
After land for lies, land for suicide bombers, and land for rockets, you’d think those trying to push Israel to make even more concessions would try something else. No such luck. President Obama added a settlement freeze, the 1949 ceasefire lines as bargaining baseline, and a Palestinian statehood vote at the UN to the pot. In doing so he cratered any serious chance for peace anytime soon. So perhaps we should learn from Israel instead. Maybe, just maybe, they know things we don’t. A week in Israel confirms that there is much the locals know that America could learn from.
Start with this: reward your friends and punish your enemies. Instead of rewarding Iran by letting the regime crush opposition in 2009 and pursuing nuclear talks that had no plausible chance to succeed, we could have pressed for regime change. Instead of treating the defense budget as no different in priority than high-speed rail, we could recognize that dangers are increasing; with allies in Europe spending nothing either we shrink commitments drastically or ante up. Instead of seeking the approval of hostile Islamic regimes we could back our true friends to the hilt.
Israel is surrounded by a quarter of a billion Arabs plus other Islamic hostiles. It has no margin for error. It lives under the perpetual prospect of being hanged in a fortnight, per Dr. Johnson. Few Israelis think the Palestinians are ready to make peace this generation. Yet Israel works diligently to improve the economic prospects of Palestinians who fire rockets at them, hoping that rocketeering will lose its allure. It treats the wounded and sends them home, knowing they will live to fight again and probably will do so. It is playing for the long term. Ceding land will only whet enemy appetites. It uses its police presence in the West Bank to discourage terrorist activity by catching or killing those who commit such acts, or attempt to do so. Others may decide to try useful activity instead.
Israel works hand in glove with the American military, to enormous mutual benefit. But American diplomats create lots of trouble for Israel, appeasing Palestinian sensibilities, looking for moderates among Islamist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, and Hamas, and waffling on how much pressure to put on Syria (next to none) and Iran (a decent amount, but not enough). In effect, America’s left (diplomatic) hand undercuts much of the good that America’s right (military) hand does.
We could even learn from Israel’s economic miracle. The past decade has seen five percent annual growth, a boom in employment, high-tech world-class leadership and a declining ratio of debt to GDP. Less regulation has produced, among other benefits, a country with the world’s highest ratio of cell phones to people — 9 million phones for 7.5 million people.
The joke a generation ago was that Israel’s leaders, in dire straits, came up with a plan: start a war with the United States, lose, and get aid from Uncle Sucker. Twenty years ago there was, after the Gulf war, a t-shirt with a picture of an F-15 and the words: “Don’t worry, America. Israel is right behind you.” Today our President “leads from behind”; the next t-shirt in Israel should read: “Don’t worry, America. Israel is right in front of you.” It is.
Maybe America should start a war with Israel, lose, and then apply for aid.
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Gary B| 9.9.11 @ 6:28AM
In other words, Israel is rational and seemingly devoid of political correctness in the halls of government. Our "leaders" on the other hand are marinated in it and continue to rub our noses in it. Unchecked, it will be the end of America as we used to know it.
Mike D.| 9.9.11 @ 8:08AM
Isrealis don't have the luxery of playing with Utopianistic concepts like we do. Reality and cold fact are just over the borders. Dodging rockets kind of tempers academic idiocy with cold hard truths. Over here, yeah, we can apparently delve into governmental fantasy land unhindered by reality and the human condition.
Gary B| 9.9.11 @ 9:31AM
Your "academic idiocy" remark is apt. Yes, our politically correct, out-of-control social engineering has been a luxury, but one we can no longer afford. Perhaps we are now up against our own cold hard truths, one of which is that there is no more money. Some of us recognize the danger; many others do not. As you said, rockets clarify things.
Jack in Wi.| 9.9.11 @ 9:42AM
What absolute nonsense! Israel would dry up and blow away without the support of the American Taxpayer. We defend the place, give them huge financial support, and give them huge trade and technology advantages. It is a total waste of American resourses.
The Council of the American Intrest has just published a study by a team of economists. It calculates that Israel has cost the USA between 3 and 6 trillion dollars since it's founding. That includes the hunderds of billions given to Israel and it's neighbors. All the intrest on that money which is never ending. Huge oil prices because the Arabs hate us for our support of Israel. Vast military expenitures because we have to keep a worldwide empire be ready to come and save Israel when it gets in trouble. It also has special trade and technolgy deals which cost us a lot of jobs and business profits and a lot more. I suggest you get the report and read it yourself.
The only solution for Israel Palistne is the ending of the Jewish state and making Israel Palistine one country where all religions and peoples are equal. There are Jews and Arabs in Israel who are working for such a solution. Otherwise the future of Israel alone is bleak. It's racist policies make it a worldwide pariah. Over 1 million Jews have left the place and live elsewhere. Up to a half million have moved to the USA. It's sugar daddy, Uncle Sam, is bankrupt and can't carry the dead weight of Israel around it's neck for much longer.
All the this money we give to Israel is nothing but total violaltion of Constitution. It is against the 1st, 5th, and the spirit of the 14th amendments. It violates the 1st amendment because it subsidizes the religious fantanies of Jewish and Christian Zionists. It is like we would send money to the Pope so he could reconstitute the Papal States. It has to end.
It violates the 5th amendment and the spirit of the 14th amendments because it subsidizes massive human rights violations of the Palistinain occupants of Israel Palistine. America and it's Constitution stand for equality before the law. Israel is like South Africa under Apartheid or the American South with Jim Crow laws. No perople were more outspoken against these 2 systems then the Jews. It is time to practice what you preach. Equality, Justice and full integration for all, in Israel Palistine now.
RCV| 9.9.11 @ 11:02AM
Get this through your thick antisemitic skull, Jack: The Jewish State will not be allowed to end, not as long as there are Israeli Jews or Americans of all faiths around. The notion that there could be a secular Palestinian state with freedom and rights for everyone controlled by the same majority of Palestinian Arabs who elected Hamas is abject nonsense. The Palestinian state you envision would result in the expulsion of Jews, the confiscation of their lands, and the imposition of Sharia. We, the American people, as well as the citizens of Israel are simply not going to allow that to happen. Ever.
Mike D.| 9.9.11 @ 11:21AM
Right, Isrealis are going to just going to roll over and give up their state and "live in peace" with their benign palestinian brothers. Read the history of the Palestinian movement back during the 1920's and 1930's. Amin Al Husseini, and his Nazi connections to Adolf Hitler and his final solutions. You people are f'ing crazy if you think Isreal is going anywhere. They are not going anywhere forever.
Jack in Wi.| 9.9.11 @ 12:07PM
Only someone like you would call justice, peace, and a call for equality and full human rights antisemitism. Your day is over. Israel was never ever a viable idea. That is why is has always needed vast outside support. That support is ending Israel is a worldwide pariah. Sane Jews are leaving the place and going elsewhere. It is a disgrace that we have ever spent one dime of American taxpayer money on such a racist and bankrupt idea.
SpiralArchitect| 9.9.11 @ 1:44PM
When Isreal is no more the war to eliminate all that are not Muslim will be at our door not thousands of miles away.
Likely, you will get what you clearly wish for.
Get a rifle to defend yourself or a prayer rug to accompany your concession. The latter seems more fitting a path for you, Jack.
Alan Brooks| 9.10.11 @ 12:02PM
"When Isreal is no more the war to eliminate all that are not Muslim will be at our door not thousands of miles away."
No, they don't want the Western Hemisphere. Suspicion, yes; paranoia, no.
Mike D.| 1.12.12 @ 7:03PM
Alan, why are you such an @sshole?
Mike D.| 9.20.11 @ 1:10PM
No, we are calling you an anti-semite @sshole.
Occam's Tool| 9.10.11 @ 1:38AM
If we dried up aid and turned pro Palestinian, we would be unleashing the most powerful nuclear armed defense force in the Middle East to have to use the Samson option. If you want a nuclear war in the Middle east, Jack, just follow your ideas.
Israel would not dry up and blow away---aid to Israel from the US was minimal until after the 6 day war.
Further, Jack, as you know full well, the palestinians are in the grip of a Death Cult. You are a duplicitious ass.
Occam's Tool| 9.10.11 @ 2:17AM
By the way, as I head off to another vacation (I want to go to Fargo this time---great Japanese steakhouse which my kids love, an art museum which I want to chheck out, and a zoo for the kids to run around in before the winter comes), allow me to sit and count my blessings---I have a great job, Ptients whose life I have positively changed, a fabulous wife who puts up with me, incredible friends (on and off the web), the World's Two Cutest Children (TM pending), and a fun blog to play with---thanks Stuart, Ken, Margie and Victor, Al, RCV, Con Chef, The Saint, Steve A, Nick, Michael, John II, Mike D, Dr Right, Doorgunner, and some others I haven't named for hours of interesting conversations and entertainment. This vacation She Who Must Be Obeyed will keep me off the web, I'm sure.
A point about evangelicals: I have never met one who is arrogant enough to state that Armageddon is truly coming. Margie and Ken, although we have some disagreements religiously (and Dr Right even more) bless me with their care and concern (Ken quite personally off web) all the time. I do NOT allow theological disagreements to affect friendship. When I am assessing situations like this, as a Jew who attended Texas Christian, my concern is do people wish me and my family well, or do they want to do or hope for, things that will imperil my survival.
Margie, Ken, Dr Right pass the survival test with flying colors. I do not believe that they look upon Israel or Jews as religious catspaws.So, I have to disagree with you, George. For example, Ken's comments have to be looked at in FULL context, which you have not done. It would help if you knew Ken on a more personal level, as I do, and then you would NEVER suspect that.
Anyhoo, that's all. Beddy bye time, and then off to do chemical dependency work in the AM. G-d Bless, ladies and gentlemen.
(By the way, a message to Ben Stein---if you want to show gratitude, fewer comments on your drivers/expensive hotels/restaurants and physical attributes of women you know, more on how your friends bless you. I keep my Hollywood bachelor days comments and my "How I love my Friends" comments separate. Works better. And physical attributes of women are their least important qualities to a married man, Ben.)
Margie| 9.10.11 @ 3:05AM
Dear O.T.,
I am so arrogant and take my place with all Bible believing Christians who believe EVERY Word of God.
In Rev. 16 there is the reference to Armageddon as a place, not an occurrence. God is going to assemble His seven Angels and they ARE gong to pour out their bowls of God's wrath upon the Earth.
It states that there will be an earthquake such as has never been since the Man was first created. There will be sheer terror, it is true.
And only those whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life will be saved.. that is.. enter into Heaven.
As you go on your vacation, please pray to the Lord about these things that Christians tell you.. they are from Him, you know. If you honestly want to know whether or not these sayings are true, you will need to ask Him from your heart, and He will show you what He has shown every Christian and Jew that has ever come to Him honestly~ that ALL of the Words in the Bible are His.
You can know Him personally, or rather be known by Him.
"Because he cleaves to Me in love, I will deliver him; I will protect him, because he knows My Name.
When he calls to Me, I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will rescue him and honor him.
With long life I will satisfy him, and show him My Salvation." Ps. 91:14-16.
Kind regards,
Margie
Alan Brooks| 9.10.11 @ 12:06PM
Marge,
if you can offer evidence that the Roman Catholic Church is the Church of 'Mammon', then your dislike of Catholicism would be justified.
Margie| 9.10.11 @ 3:02PM
It's a thing called history, Alan. History and the biblical truth.
One would never mistake the Apostle paul with any pope, living or dead.
Why is there such a thing as a gold encrusted pope?
The only gold Paul ever got is the gold that Jesus gave him, in Heaven.
"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal." Mt. 6:19 & 20.
RCV| 9.10.11 @ 2:00PM
Be well, OT. You are one of the good guys.
Nick| 9.11.11 @ 1:39AM
Have a nice, and safe vacation, O.T.
Shalom, and G-d bless!
Margie| 9.11.11 @ 3:12PM
p.s. I must amend! Rev. 16 speaks of the "battle on the great Day of God the Almighty."
And it will take place AT the place called Armageddon!!
Nick| 9.11.11 @ 11:21PM
Margie,
I'm curious. Do you know what the word Armageddon means, or to what it refers?
I encourage you to research its etymology, it is very enlightening. Hint: It is language meant to remind the reader of something written in the Old Testament. As most of the Book of Revelation does.
God Bless!
RCV| 9.12.11 @ 4:56PM
...Meggido.
Nick| 9.12.11 @ 8:26PM
RCV,
That is only part of it, I'm afraid. Saint John is using a rabbinical teaching method that Christ often employed called hekesh, which brings two Scriptures together.
Keep researching, it's fascinating stuff, I assure you.
Steve A| 9.9.11 @ 12:08PM
Jack, Is that you Barak, posing as "Jack in Wi"??
George2| 9.9.11 @ 1:16PM
Some of the Bible fanatics here love Israel because it feeds their crazy end of the world scenario with a nuclear war and Israel as a remnant. I read it in Old Ken's and Margie's ramblings. They don't care about Jews, they want a nuclear war with Iran or anybody there for the Bible fantasies, they want to sacrifice the Jews in Israel not save them.
RCV| 9.9.11 @ 3:12PM
There are apocalyptic Christians who fit that description, George2, and who's interest in the Jewish people are only as cannon fodder for the Second Coming.
Neither Margie orKen fall into that category. And I say that as someone who rarely agrees with either one on much else.
RCV| 9.9.11 @ 3:12PM
That should be "whose interest". Sorry.
George2| 9.9.11 @ 5:33PM
I read some of the stuff here but don't comment that much, and from what I read I don't agree with you. I think they see Jews as part of their end of the world Bible story. As Bible fanatics they think all religions are false especially the Jewish religon that does not beliefe Jesus is God. You know with these people it is Jesus this and Jesus that.
Anyway hope you are right and I am wrong. We don't need a nuclear war.
RCV| 9.9.11 @ 8:34PM
I'm not dismissing, indeed I'm acknowledging, that there are indeed apocalyptic Christians who feel that way, who are little different than Ahkminijad in his belief that a coming apocalypse will usher in the Mahdi and Jesus's return for judgment day. Both would be happy to see the Middle East in smoke if it would usher in the Second Coming.
I've had enough exchanges with both Ken and Margie to know that while they are fervant Christians, they do have genuine love and respect for the Jewish people and do not wish them harm, and that both also believe in a special relationship between God and the Jews. I don't believe there is an ounce of malice in either of them toward the Jewish people or Israel.
George2| 9.9.11 @ 11:27PM
RCV Ken (Old Texican)| 9.6.11 @ 4:58PM
Doctor,
I hear you, sir, but honestly in my best opinion, invading Iran would have been similar to invading Japan in 1945.
LOT'S of casualties on our side. (hundreds of thousands).
Sadly,
If Iran nukes Israel, then Israel will nuke Iran into the stone-age. (and Israel now has nuke-armed submarines as well to make sure).
Furthermore, if Israel gets nuked, I would hope they nuke Mecca, Medina, Aswan dam, and Damascus.
(Damn! That sounds like Armeggedon doesn't it?)
Unless my Bible is screwed up....."a remnant of Israel" will survive and meet their Messiah, and bow every knee.
what does this mean to you.
Margie| 9.10.11 @ 3:13AM
p.s. That charge is referring not to whether or not Ken previously posted those words.
The charge as to him lying is to the false accusations he's making.
W| 9.10.11 @ 12:51PM
RCV, George2,
Muslims have been attacking Western Christians and Jews and even fellow Muslims who disagree since Muhammed. Why are they now, since 1967, attacking us? Even if one of their reasons is our support of Israel that does not we have to stop supporting Israel.
If we stopped supporting Israel the muslims, and the rest of the world, would view it as weakness and that we cannot be trusted as an ally. It is the same if we stopped supporting South Korea or Taiwan or Germany or any other ally. Look at what happened to South Vietnam and Camobodia after the Democratic Congress in 1974 passed a law forbidding all future aid to South Vietnam. The Communist North Vietnam invaded in January 1975 and won in three months. Remember the boat people and the killing fields. This led to further weakness with Jimmy Carter when Iran seized our embassy.
If we analyze our support of Israel as part of our national interest then it makes sense to continue our support. We have a strong and reliable ally. Abandoning our ally is a sign of weakness that means we make decisions in a cowardly fashion because of terrorrists, as Spain did after the Madrid attack and they stopped their support of us in Iraq. We do not have to justify our support of Israel on how anybody reads their favorite Bible.
You can argue that our support of Israel has in some ways hurt Israel. Every president believes he must have a "Middle East peace process" which usually means we pressure Israel to give up land for empty promises. Cinton pressured Israel to give the Palestinians over 97% of their demands, without anything in return, and Palestinians rejected it. Clinton's campaign guru, James Carville, was sent to Israel to work for Ehud Barak to defeat the great Bibi, who would not be as accomodating to Clinton's wishes. In fact, we put more pressure on Israel to "settle" because we know we can pressure them and because the Israelis are reasonable and will listen. But the Palestinians and their backers do not listen to us.
At this point, regardless of why they attack us, since they did attack, we should destroy them.
George2| 9.10.11 @ 7:11PM
RCV. I didn't say there is any malice to Jews or Israel. I said they see Jews and Israel for their crazy end of the world scenario. They probably believe it's a good thing and not malice. I don't know them and am using them only as examples because of what they write here, read it yourself.
Occam's Tool| 9.10.11 @ 1:39AM
George2--I know Ken personally. And you are wrong. End of story. He is a very, very good man.
Margie| 9.10.11 @ 2:32AM
George2 is simply a blatant liar.
George2| 9.10.11 @ 9:12AM
I personally do not care what you Biblefanatics believe but the words posted are paste and copy from 9/6 and I don't have the time to do same for all the ramblings of Margie. I did not lie those are the words. Margie, I see anyone who disagrees with your homemade Biblereligion of one is a liar and cult member.
Margie| 9.10.11 @ 3:06PM
You obviously can't read.
And you obviously choose to reject the Word of God.
I pity you, and pray that God will open your eyes.
George2| 9.10.11 @ 5:05PM
You are obviously an idiot. Pray for yourself you need it.
Margie| 9.10.11 @ 10:44PM
Thanks for proving what you are.
Margie| 9.11.11 @ 3:13PM
p.s. George,
I prayed for you, anyway.
Alan Brooks| 9.11.11 @ 3:15PM
"I know Ken personally. And you are wrong. End of story. He is a very, very good man."
So is Carter a very, very good man- but he is terribly incompetent.
Nick| 9.9.11 @ 7:59PM
What, are you schizophrenic, Jack-boot?
You have written many times that Israel can stand on its own just fine, without American assistance. Now, they would "dry up and blow away"?
You can't seem to keep your nazi-inspired talking points straight, can you, der schweinhund fuhrer?
Jack in Wi.| 9.10.11 @ 1:51AM
Nick: I said that if Israel can stand on it's own 2 feet after all these years and vast subsidies, it should. Let us cut all aid to Israel tommorow. It is against the Constitution and common sense. Israel hs 500 atomic bombs and can sit in it's walled ghetto rightfully hated by the world. It can do the opposite and rejoin the human community. The choice is theirs. They should not get one more penny from us either way. 3 quarters of our foreign aid ends up inthe hands ofMiddle Eastern criminals and kleptocrats. I think some of you Zionists would rather throw granny off dialysis then cut one penny for our huge money pit in the Middle East. Israel has only one friend left in the whole world the USA. The people of the USA are broke and 80% of them are demanding an end to all foreign aid.
Occam's Tool| 9.10.11 @ 2:24AM
I love the "how I'm not antisemitic" with "Israel should live in its ghetto rightfully hated."
Jack, there was a movie called "Brain Candy" in which one of the characters was a gay guy having a terrible time coming to grips with his sexual identity. He was going to a therapist, who finally said: "Sir, your wife knows you're gay, your kids know, your co-workers know, the cops know; hell, even your dog knows." Subsitute "antisemitism" for "gay" (and skip "the Arabs are Semites too" bullshit, that's not the general definition of the word, and even your dog knows it), and it defines you. You are not someone I would trust with my children's safety, or the safety of the Jewish people, because you hate them. That's all, Jack. And you seem to focus on it a great deal, unlike, say, Red Phillips, who may share some of your views. You are no friend of mine, or my cousins, unlike, say, USA& Israel below, who seems to be wonderful.
Mike D.| 9.10.11 @ 9:14AM
I love how there Paulbots encase their anti-semitic bilge with the "stop foreign aid to all countries" and then start in on an anti-Isreal rant for the next three paragraphs.
Jack in Wi.| 9.10.11 @ 9:57AM
Who built the wall Occam? I thought Jews were suppossed to be people who didn't like to be confined into walled areas? Israel is hated by it;s neighbors for good reason. It has been a rotten neighbor. It resists any efforts at some kind of peace. It could of had a peace on an adjusted and negototiated 1967 borders line for decades.
The Saudi's and the whole Arab League, in 2002, offered a full peace treaty with full diplomatic relations and chances for trade, if Israel would return to negotiated 67 borders. The Syrians have been looking for some kind of settlement for years. Of course the Israeli's would have to give up the Golan Heights. Instead all the nighbors have gotten is invasion, attacks, interference by the Mossad, and nuclear blackmail. You just can't keep killing your neighbors and stealing from them.
The Book of Leviticus tells Jews to treat the aliens among you as you do yourselves. A little farther along it says to Love Your neighbor as yourself. My Lord and Savior tells me the same thing. The Ten Commandements were given by God, first to the Jews.
Do you really think Israel has been following these Commandments? Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt no bear false witness. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors peoperty. It is time to get with God's program.
Alan Brooks| 9.11.11 @ 3:19PM
Guys,
we shouldn't call anybody a Nazi merely because they goosestep around the crematoria!
Let's be fair.
Kevin Dunn| 9.10.11 @ 6:11AM
"Israel hs 500 atomic bomb" - Well, I hope so! But just tell me, hpw come they let you count them? Took off your swastika armband, did you?
Jack in Wi.| 9.10.11 @ 10:14AM
Nobody but the Israeli's knows how many A Bombs they have. I have seen the numbers 200 to 600 in print. I tend toward the high side because I have seen all the paronoia and bloodthirstyness of the Israeli government an it's lunatic supporters on the internet.
victor| 9.11.11 @ 3:12AM
Jack in wi:
"I have seen the numbers 200 to 600 in print."
Care to cite any sources? Hmm?
Other than StormFront or NSM?
Paul Kotik| 9.11.11 @ 8:47AM
I read a sober analysis based on the economics of manufacture which estimated the minimum number of Israeli nuclear warheads at about 1,500 as of 2004. The development and industrial capital requirements are such that once sunk on the scale Israel did, it's economically irrational to stop making warheads until the unit cost has fallen below some certain level.
These include the low-yield, enhanced radiation ("neutron bombs") devices our imbecile Jimmy Carter stopped us from developing, as well an array of tactical and strategic designs up to high-yield city busters.
In other words, the Israeli nuclear arsenal is probably comparable to ours in size, and far more modern. If ours work as well as everything else in the Federal government does, then the word "duds" comes to mind. Some of our warheads are over 50 years old!
Don't like that, Jack? Tough. It's people like you that make it necessary. If Shimon Peres is the father of the Israeli bomb, you're the uncle.
Alan Brooks| 9.11.11 @ 3:21PM
We ought not call anybody a Nazi merely because they make lampshades from human flesh, or soap from human fat!
Mike D.| 9.10.11 @ 9:10AM
"Israel has only one friend left in the whole world the USA"
Wrong again idiot. Isreal has VERY close relations with India, both in nuclear technology, military doctrine, trade and technology exchange. Yeah, that India, second most populous nation in the world. Isreal has very good relations with Germany and China and several other countries. Where did you get this BS from? Heres another one for you. The gulf oil states(including Saudi Arabia) privately have no problem with Isreal sitting right where it is as a counter-balance to the nutjob Iran or syrian regimes. If you think every Muslim nation hates the existence of Isreal, then your out of reality son. They may say so publically, privately more than a few Arab nations were just giddy with Isreal taking out Syria's reactor. The oil states regimes and Isreal both have the same enemies and they both know it. Your Paulbot Anti-semitic crap is getting really tiring. Don't make an @ss out of yourself by making blanket statements like the one above, because its a flat out crock.
Nick| 9.10.11 @ 7:49PM
Jack-boot in Wi.,
"I said that if Israel can stand on it's own 2 feet [...]."
No, you have not. You have stated, many times, that Israel can stand on its own two feet. I can post the quotes, if you would like? I happen to agree with that assessment, by the way.
But, now you claim that "Israel would dry up and blow away without the support of the American Taxpayer." This is the behavior of a schizophrenic, I believe. I defer to Occam's Tool for the medical diagnosis.
"[...] 80% of them are demanding an end to all foreign aid."
I am one of those 80%, Jack-boot. The key word is "all". As in all foreign aid. The 80% don't single out Israel every chance they get. Like you do.
Because 80% of Americans are not anti-Semitic.
USA & Israel, friends forever.| 9.10.11 @ 1:50AM
I grow tired of hearing about how Israel is so dependent on the US. Try & break the bond. You won't like it.
Occam's Tool| 9.10.11 @ 1:53AM
Israel has never demanded aid be given to its neighbors.
It would also be useful if you would learn to spell Palestine.
Michael Tomlinson| 9.9.11 @ 6:49AM
As much as I appreciate and support the state of Israel we'll take care of ourselves next November when we dump the Muslim lover and send his Senate majority down in flames.
Perry-Rubio 2012 will begin the renewal and American exceptionalism will be front and center for the world to covet and condemn again.
Gary B| 9.9.11 @ 7:57AM
Michael,
Off subject... I like the idea of a Perry/Rubio ticket. Do you think Rubio, as VP, would help keep a Perry administration on script?
On subject... Ever since the USS Liberty incident, I've have a love/hate regard for Israel. I posted a comment at American Thinker mentioning the USS Liberty. It was censored.
loulou| 9.9.11 @ 10:26AM
USS Liberty??!
Sounds like you have a hate/hate regard for Israel.
PolishKnight| 9.9.11 @ 11:28AM
Loulou, whenever these cheerleading articles come out for Israel, I usually keep my hands off the keyboard for fear that anything other than a "Me too! Israel is great!" will result in a charge of anti-semitism. And that, in itself, is a problem that helps to generate suspicion against Israel and it's supporters.
Occam's Tool| 9.10.11 @ 1:51AM
PK,
Criticise whatever you want. jack and Clint have an existential problem with Israel. Personally, aside from being Jewish, I think they are plucky and tough. I also think that Iftach Spector, despite his skill as a fighter pilot, is also an asshole. If you look up his history, much of the Liberty incident will make some sense. He's an incompetent ass at everything EXCEPT shooting down enemy fighters.
Israel is fighting against maniacs. The moral equivalency charge of Jack and Clint is nonsense. She deserves our support because our next great existential struggle is with our (and India's) mutual enemies, and Europe is worthless to hold against them. We need allies.
Again, the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a major screwup, and Iftach (missed osirak, politically moronic in too many ways to count) Spector is a moron. But that doesn't define the US-Israeli relationship in toto.
That's the problem I have with your position, PK. Israel develops bandages that save the life of our Congressmen after they are shot, she wins Nobels in typical Jewish fashion, she has more startups and scientific papers per capita than we do, she improves our weapon systems and shares the improvements with us, she develops new computer technologies left and right for Microsoft, etc.
She is an intellectual powerhouse, and increasingly a Singapore like economic one. She also votes with us all the time on UN issues that do not affect her survival, and the USA is VERY popular there, unlike many other countries we give aid too. Further, Obama is as unpopular in Israel as he would be at a Tea Party convention.
What the hey?
Clint | 9.10.11 @ 5:29AM
USS Liberty' veterans demand investigation
Jun. 3, 2007 12:00 AM
Conclusions submitted in October 2003 to the Office of the U.S. Secretary of Defense by the USS Liberty Veterans Association, Inc., in demanding a congressional investigation into the aborted rescue during the attack of the USS Liberty and subsequent alleged cover-up.
The group also calls for a new Naval Court of Inquiry and that June 8 be officially recognized as USS Liberty Remembrance Day.
1. That on June 8, 1967, after eight hours of aerial surveillance, Israel launched a two-hour air and naval attack against USS Liberty, the world's most sophisticated intelligence ship, inflicting 34 dead and 173 wounded American servicemen (a casualty rate of 70 percent, in a crew of 294);
2. That the Israeli air attack lasted approximately 25 minutes, during which time unmarked Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on USS Liberty's bridge and fired 30mm cannons and rockets into our ship, causing 821 holes, more than 100 of which were rocket-size; survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels;
3. That the torpedo boat attack involved not only the firing of torpedoes, but the machine-gunning of Liberty's firefighters and stretcher-bearers as they struggled to save their ship and crew; the Israeli torpedo boats later returned to machine-gun at close range three of the Liberty's life rafts that had been lowered into the water by survivors to rescue the most seriously wounded;
4. That there is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA Director Richard Helms, former NSA Directors Lt. Gen. William Odom, USA (Ret.), Adm. Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Maj. Gen. John Morrison, USAF (Ret.); and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;
5. That in attacking USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States;
6. That fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of USS Liberty by recalling Sixth Fleet military rescue support while the ship was under attack; evidence of the recall of rescue aircraft is supported by statements of Capt. Joe Tully, Commanding Officer of the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga, and Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander, at the time of the attack; never before in American naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack;
7. That although Liberty was saved from almost certain destruction through the heroic efforts of the ship's captain, William L. McGonagle (MOH), and his brave crew, surviving crewmembers were later threatened with "court-martial, imprisonment or worse" if they exposed the truth; and were abandoned by their own government;
8. That due to the influence of Israel's powerful supporters in the United States, the White House deliberately covered up the facts of this attack from the American people;
9. That due to continuing pressure by the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, this attack remains the only serious naval incident that has never been thoroughly investigated by Congress; to this day, no surviving crewmember has been permitted to officially and publicly testify about the attack;
10. That there has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history; the existence of such a cover-up is now supported by statements of Rear Adm. Merlin Staring, USN (Ret.), former Judge Advocate General of the Navy; and Capt. Ward Boston, USN, (Ret.), the chief counsel to the Navy's 1967 Court of Inquiry of Liberty attack;
11. That the truth about Israel's attack and subsequent White House cover-up continues to be officially concealed from the American people to the present day and is a national disgrace;
12. That a danger to our national security exists whenever our elected officials are willing to subordinate American interests to those of any foreign nation, and specifically are unwilling to challenge Israel's interests when they conflict with American interests; this policy, evidenced by the failure to defend USS Liberty and the subsequent official cover-up of the Israeli attack, endangers the safety of Americans and the security of the United States.
Alan| 8.14.12 @ 8:44AM
Hey Clint, FUCK YOU!
PolishKnight| 9.12.11 @ 11:35AM
OC, in order to have a problem with my position or even discredit it, you need to actually address it. My observation is simple: Supporters of Israel use the race card and then ad-hominem attacks against critics and are then surprised and angry when there is no honest debate on the issues and anti-semitism becomes the norm as most people would just rather remain quiet on the issue than get caught in the middle.
For people who are supposedly so much smarter than everyone else, that seems pretty dumb.
Margie| 9.10.11 @ 2:37AM
That's a very disingenuous comment, P.K. And you know it.
Skippy| 9.9.11 @ 4:59PM
The Liberty is an issue that will never be resolved, just like "Bush took down the Towers".
If we allow it to poison our relationship to the ME today, we risk losing advantage due to resentment and distrust.
Israel is a sovereign nation that, over the years, has had times when they betrayed our trust.
We have done the same to all our friends over time.
Today we face the enemy Israel has faced for centuries; Islam.
Their existential struggle is now ours, and their enemy is ours as well.
If our nations survive, then we can dicker and argue about a tragic incident from decades ago.
For now, I am prepared to set the past aside while we praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
Jack in Wi.| 9.10.11 @ 10:10AM
The Liberty Issue can easily be resolved. Invite the surviving crew members and the relatives of the dead ones to the White House for a full apology and Medals ceremony. These hero's have been marginalized and abused long enough. It is time to honor these great men who have stood by the truth for 46 years.
victor| 9.11.11 @ 3:14AM
Jack in wi:
"The Liberty Issue can easily be resolved. Invite the surviving crew members and the relatives of the dead ones to the White House for a full apology and Medals ceremony"
If that is so easily done, then why is it not so easily done, eh?
Clint | 9.11.11 @ 9:30AM
Because Of This You Crippled Russkie Israel Firster Traitor Bastard,Victor Asshole.
"9. That due to continuing pressure by the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, this attack remains the only serious naval incident that has never been thoroughly investigated by Congress; to this day, no surviving crewmember has been permitted to officially and publicly testify about the attack"
Margie| 9.11.11 @ 1:41PM
You remind me of the merciless Neo-Nazis, Clint/Tim*.
And you're crippled, but it's in the mind.
Unless you repent, you're on your way to Hell.
Alan Brooks| 9.11.11 @ 3:26PM
"Unless you repent, you're on your way to Hell."
Then Marge, please: YOU forgive the Catholic Church!
don't harden your heart.
Margie| 9.11.11 @ 6:41PM
Alan,
That's up to God~ not me. Their Sin isn't against me. I just report the facts.
Margie| 9.11.11 @ 7:55PM
That is, the sin of the false teachers.
PolishKnight| 9.12.11 @ 12:06PM
When Jews were killed in the holocaust and little evidence survives to document particular tragedies or the victims were relatively few, the Jews and Israelis demand that full investigations be held and justice found at all costs regardless and apologies made by entire countries and their peoples no matter how many decades later.
Oh, wait, the Israelis are the ones accused of human rights violations and war crimes? Forget about it! WHO CARES!
Bob K.| 9.9.11 @ 8:19AM
If only there weren't other nations in the world who also have their own agenda for this part of the world!
Maddox| 9.9.11 @ 9:32AM
Israel better hurry!
Kingofthenet| 9.9.11 @ 10:01AM
Yes Israel can! Please start by paying back all the loans and aid we have given you, with YOUR money.Instead of taking money from us to pay off loans to us...kthxbye
C Smith| 9.9.11 @ 10:04AM
Saturday, September 1, 2007
Pro-Semite “Evangelicalism” for the Biblically Challenged
Once again, evangelical “Christian” leaders have appropriated for themselves the mandate to manipulate US foreign policy. In a July 27th Open Letter1 to President Bush, prominent evangelicals requested to meet with the President to “personally convey… support and discuss other ways” of effecting “a two-state solution and creation of a new Palestinian state that includes the vast majority of the West Bank.”
Although signatories include many presidents and other persons of prominence in “Christian” universities, magazines, and organizations e.g., Northwest University, Bethel University, Wheaton College, Fuller Theological Seminary, Denver Seminary, Christianity Today, InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, World Hope International, World Relief, Evangelical Covenant Church, Vineyard USA, World Vision…, the Open Letter suggests a surprising lack of familiarity with what it describes as “the full teaching of the Scriptures”:
The Open Letter in alleging “violence and injustice” to Israel, ascribes baseless charges to the nation that still follows the commands of Leviticus 19:33-34:
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
“If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat….” (Proverbs 25:21).
These are not empty words. Unlike Islamic nations who use the Palestinians as expendable pawns, Israel is committed to give to those in hunger. When Gaza crossings were closed by terrorist attack, or when Hamas refused to allow life-giving supplies to their own, or when Palestinians failed to cooperate in humanitarian efforts, Israel alone shouldered the burden. Recently the IDF even investigated the viability of coastal air and sea drops of emergency provisions. One particularly effective Israeli food delivery system has been a 220-meter long conveyor belt circumventing the key Karni Crossing.
“… and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink” (Proverbs 25:21). When Palestinians recently fled from Gaza into the desert, IDF soldiers reportedly opened their tanks and tossed them water bottles.
“Thou shalt love him as thyself” is the motto Israeli doctors follow without partiality as they treat both the Palestinian terrorist and his victims. However, some have understandable qualms: "I don't mind servicing wounded Palestinian patients because that's what we were taught to do, but it does bother me when the television news reports detail how many Jews were killed in an attack and the Palestinian patients break into cheers."
The Open Letter urges political expedience i.e., utilizing the current administrations “time it has left in office” to “bring peace to Jerusalem.” However, the counsel of kings and rulers [and presidents] have yet to bring peace to the City of Peace.
Succeeding centuries have proven Immanuel Kant’s Perpetual Peace, a philosophical treatise of the protocols of peace, an exercise in futility. The international Hague Peace Conferences of 1899 and 1907 failed to preempt the First World War. And the Holocaust is a menacing reminder of the abrogation of the League of Nations’ legacy: la Der des Ders (the war to end all wars).
“Political expediency” is the antithesis of His ways. Ways the Open Letter fails to mention. However, the Lord does mention those who trust in the political to do what only He can do:
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion… (Psalms 2:1-6).
The Open Letter, in capriciously affirming Palestinian parity with Israel, spurns “the oath” the Lord God “had sworn” regarding His choice of Israel as “a special people,” “a holy people,” “above all people”:
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers… (Deuteronomy 7:6-8).
The Open Letter states: “Historical honesty (sic) compels us to recognize that both Israelis and Palestinians have legitimate rights stretching back for millennia to the lands of Israel/Palestine.” Apparently these evangelical “Christian” leaders adhere to “another” gospel. Scripture affirms ONLY the right of Israel to the disputed land:
He said unto him [Abram], I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it. … to thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates (Genesis 15:18).
The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me (Leviticus 25:23).
… Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel (Ezekiel 11:17).
Although the Open Letter purports to “embrace the biblical promise to Abraham: ‘I will bless those who bless you.’ (Genesis 12:3)”, it negates the same “biblical promise” accorded Israel (Jacob), and later to the nation of that name:
He couched, he lay down as a lion, and as a great lion: who shall stir him up? Blessed is he that blesseth thee [Israel], and cursed is he that curseth thee (Numbers 24:9).
There is a “Day” coming when the Open Letter will be weighed in the balance: Did it bless Israel? Did it curse Israel? In that “Day” the signatories of the Open Letter will receive their “reward.”
In a July 27th Open Letter to President Bush, prominent “evangelical” signatories requested to meet with the President to “personally convey… support and discuss other ways” of effecting a “two-state solution.” However, those familiar with the logistics of Middle Eastern affairs would suggest a more suitable epitaph: the “Final Solution.”
1 Letter to President Bush from Evangelical Leaders (New York Times, 29 July 2007)
james philadelphia| 9.9.11 @ 12:10PM
excellent honest accurate. beware of iranian paid bloggers. the anti Israel crowd drowns in their own venom. the ultra leftists, the self hatred jews. the new york times, the oslo norway ultra left anti israel, the islamo fascists. all these dishonest groups can not digest a prosperous democratic Israel. and above all Jews that are armed and can defend themselves from their rabid enemies.
when are they going to learn that the Jews of the 21st century are not and they will never be the Jews that were defenseless slaughtered in the past centuries. Stick it to all you anatomical openings.
ShortnsWEET| 9.9.11 @ 12:50PM
I agree totally with your article....until you made that last statement. I realize it was sacasm; joking about war with Israel is hard for me to hear. Sorry
POST American| 9.9.11 @ 10:53PM
---------------------FINAL WORD-----------------------
---------"The ULSTER of the MIddle East."--------
Keep following those 'benny violent'
'Order out of Chaos' scripts kiddies.
Keep upholding that Masonic contrived
'dialectic'.
--------------Keep a goin'
------------------GoreTex n' Molotovs
-----------------------JUST KEEP A GOIN'
USA & Israel, friends forever.| 9.10.11 @ 12:57AM
Sometimes I think Israel would be better off with a new sponsor, before the US drags it down with it to wherever the US is headed. Israel, the light of the world. The US, who knows. Maybe we can get the aid without the war.
Jack in Wi.| 9.10.11 @ 1:58AM
With all due respect: Israel with all it's nuclear weapons, crazed leadership, the Samson option, the Masada complex and its control of most of our government is a terrible black cloud on the world. I don't see any light coming through that darkness.
Occam's Tool| 9.10.11 @ 2:28AM
"crazed " leadership---don't think so. The Masada complex---encouraged by people like you, who are living proof of the need for israel, The Samson option--ditto. In addition, Obama is not really pro-Israel--that's why his popularity there is 4%.
As for the light---just check out the discoveries, technological developments, and Nobels won in Israel. Many more to come, as the Jews have survived 3400 years despite people like you and Clint's best efforts.
It is the Islamists that are the terrible black cloud there, Jack. You blither, Paulbot.
Jack in Wi.| 9.10.11 @ 10:04AM
Occcam with all due respect: Whatever good indivigual Jews have done in the world pails in comparission to the bad of the last 200 years. Atheism, communism, Socialism, Nuclear Weapons, expansionist Zionism, and nuclear blackmail. It is time to really be a Light to World and the whole Middle East. Make Israel Palistine a place of tolerance, peace, justice, prosperity. equality, religious dialoge and understanding. That can only happen in a united Israel Palistine.
Mike D.| 9.10.11 @ 12:22PM
Thats right Jack, peace and justice loving guys like this, Amin Al Husseini, :
http://www.tellthechildrenthet.....in_en.html
Father of the palestinian movement. Revered throughout islam. Slaughterer of both Jews and Arabs(who wouldn't get with the program) BEFORE the state of Isreal existed. But then again Nazis and Nazi wannabees don't really bother you too much do they? If the Jews would just lay down their arms and walk out of that "ghetto" in the middle east, all would be well. Heres a newsflash, the Jews aren't laying down their weapons this time, and they aren't leaving the "ghetto" either. Better get used to the idea, anti-semite, they are going to be there long after your gone.
Mike D.| 9.10.11 @ 1:02PM
Thats a great capsule summary of Mein Kampf, whats your proposal to fix this Jewish plague on the world? Maybe another final solution huh? What do you propose? Laying down in front of the peaceful Amin Al Husseini loving Muslim fanatics? Deportation?
victor| 9.11.11 @ 3:17AM
Jack in wi:
"It is time to really be a Light to World and the whole Middle East. Make Israel Palistine a place of tolerance, peace, justice, "
That's right jack, once you enact the Final Solution, there won't be any need to ask "The Jewish Question", eh?
Clint | 9.10.11 @ 5:33AM
There It Is !
These Israel Firsters have a bad habit of Badmouthing The United States.
America First,You Israel Firster Traitor Bastards.
Margie| 9.11.11 @ 7:57PM
"America First,You Israel Firster Traitor Bastards."
What is a man without his friends, Clint?
What is a country that isolates itself from the rest of the World?
What is a hypocrite?
LOL.
Margie| 9.10.11 @ 2:27AM
Jn. 3:16 says. "For God so loved the World".. and that has to include Israel, when He sent His only Son to die for us.
"So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by Grace." Rom. 11:5.
I just love Romans 11!
"Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in, and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"; and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
As regards the gospel they are enemies of God, for your sake; but as regards election they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.
For the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable." Rom. 11:25-29.
Christians agree with the Word of God, so do I.
C Smith| 9.10.11 @ 3:14AM
... and so do I.
Thanks Margie.
Margie| 9.11.11 @ 3:15PM
I am glad, C. Smith!
Kingofthenet| 9.10.11 @ 1:18PM
Margie,take your medicine before the voices come back.
Margie| 9.10.11 @ 10:45PM
I know Whose Voice I listen to.
and sadly, I know Whose Voice it is that you choose to rebel against.
Occam's Tool| 9.10.11 @ 2:29AM
Margie, you are a sweetie, always.
Margie| 9.10.11 @ 2:34AM
O.T. is very kind.
Paul Kotik| 9.11.11 @ 8:37AM
The very large "social justice" demonstrations and tent cities in Israel in recent weeks are very troubling. The aggregate size of the crowds on the biggest day were the equivalent of some 35 million Americans taking to the streets demanding, at root, lots of free stuff. Free stuff. Israeli society has very deep socialist roots which underlie many of the fault lines. Israel began moving toward a free market economy with the election of Menahem Begin in 1977, and has made tremendous progress. In many ways, the Israeli economy is freer than ours in America. But it won't be easy to completely shake off the past.
loulou| 9.12.11 @ 10:47AM
Democrat operative Greenberg, husband of the witch Rosa DeLauro, is organizing the demonstrations.
He was involved in manipulating the Israeli elections several years ago at the behest of Bill Clinton.