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The Obama Watch

Lest We Forget the Abortion Issue

By on 8.30.11 @ 6:08AM

President Obama hasn’t.

There is no question that the economy will be the central issue of the 2012 presidential election. No one, not even the most ardent defense hawk or most committed social conservative, believes otherwise. Still, serious social and cultural issues remain — important in and of themselves, as well as to the Republicans’ task of mobilizing and motivating their coalition to bring “change we can believe in” to Washington.

Lest we forget, President Obama, despite his continued attempts to mute the issue, may be the most pro-abortion politician to hold the top office of the land. Indeed, Vice President Biden’s recent fudging on China’s horrendous one-child and forced-abortion policies is just the latest manifestation of this reality.

The well regarded pro-life news service LifeNews.Com has recently updated its comprehensive compilation  of “President Barack Obama’s Pro-Abortion Record.” The compilation opened with an entry documenting Obama’s November 2008 choice of Rahm Emanuel — who boasted a zero percent pro-life voting record per the National Right to Life Committee — for Chief of Staff. It now includes several new entries for August 2011, including the effort to force insurance companies to pay for abortion drugs under Obamacare and the vice president’s contretemps in China.

The entire document runs to 10 pages when printed out and encompasses, by my count, 148 entries.

According to LifeNews’ Steven Ertelt, the compilation includes “bill signings, speeches, appointments and other actions that President Barack Obama has engaged in that have promoted abortion before and during his presidency.”

“While Obama has promised to reduce abortions and some of his supporters believe that will happen, this long list proves his only agenda is promoting more abortions,” says Ertelt.

Reading this sad, miserable catalogue of anti-life deeds, one can only feel sorry for those pro-life Democrats who have been co-opted by the President — including former Michigan congressman Bart Stupak, a truly tragic figure, given his stellar record until his capitulation on Obamacare.

From the earliest days of his administration, the President appointed leading pro-abortion activists to many positions of responsibility. He nominated NARAL legal director Dawn Johnsen as Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel and Ellen Moran, former director of Emily’s List, as his communications director. He also put former Emily’s List board member Melody Barnes in the job of director of the Domestic Policy Council. And this was just in 2008.

Immediately after his Inauguration, on January 23, 2009, President Obama rescinded the Mexico City Policy originated under President Reagan and immediately started sending $457 million to international organizations promoting abortions. He also managed to get the Vatican to reject three ambassadorial nominees due to their pro-abortion positions.

Obama appointed pro-abortion Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court, chipped away at pro-life conscience protections, and made pro-abortion Kathleen Sebelius Secretary of Health and Human Services, where she is the point person on Obamacare. So it was no surprise that pro-life groups were shut out of the White House health care summit while Planned Parenthood, the nation’s biggest abortion provider, made the invitation list.

John Holdren, the President’s science czar, has expressed his support for forced abortions, according to LifeNews.

The list goes on and on and on. LifeNews.Com helpfully includes links to sources and more information, for each entry, in its on-line version.

The overwhelming sense one gets reviewing the Obama record, notwithstanding some repetition here and there, is that abortion is not a peripheral or conflicted issue for President Obama and his administration. It is fundamental. It is part of their DNA.

Lest we forget the abortion issue and the right to life of the pre-born, concerned citizens should consult LifeNews.Com’s thorough documentation of President Obama’s actual record, not his rhetoric.

About the Author

G. Tracy Mehan, III served at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in the administrations of both Presidents Bush. He is a consultant in Arlington, Virginia, and an adjunct professor at George Mason University School of Law.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (153) |

The Bishop| 8.30.11 @ 6:23AM

The Contemptible-in-Chief truly is a Johnny-One Note for vile public policy. I pray that 2012 sees him crushed into historical oblivion. (That wasn't too harsh, was it?)

RT| 8.30.11 @ 6:29AM

Bishop, no, it was not. I'll join you in your prayer.

WRTolkas| 8.30.11 @ 8:07AM

AMEN RT and The Bishop. This is Spiritual WAR for Our Country's Soul.
"Vote for Obama, don't bother to talk to me again."

Banana Republic| 8.30.11 @ 11:47AM

LET'S CHARGE ALL WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD ABORTIONS WITH MURDER AND SENTENCE THEM TO LIFE IN PRISON.

Good idea, don't you think. We can build thousands of new prisons to house them.

Tennesee Conservative Bob| 8.30.11 @ 12:01PM

Well, who the hell do you thinks having them abortions?

Gays! Goddamn gays! Abort. That's all they know how to do.

Yeah lock em all up. Thas what I say.

Maggie| 8.30.11 @ 12:03PM

How right you are Tennesee.

Gays are the number one problem conserning abortion.

Did you know that 99% of abortion doctors are gay?

Allen| 8.30.11 @ 12:04PM

Make that99 1/2 Maggie.

lily | 8.30.11 @ 9:37PM

Both of these reactions to a fetus, and all reactions in between, are perfectly valid and natural. Both may even occur in the same woman, years apart.
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Petronius| 8.30.11 @ 3:08PM

Just for the sake of the argument about unwillingness to compromise, I'd make a counter offer. Indictments, trials, and adjudications for manslaughter so that they can no longer Vote would do for a start. (TIC)

Margie| 8.30.11 @ 3:47PM

No, Trolls.
All women that have already had abortions need to seek forgiveness from God, if they haven't done so already. All they would need to do is say to Him, "I am truly sorry for my sin."

"The sacrifice acceptable to God is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise." Ps. 51:17.

Jesus can forgive any sin but one, (apostacy, and that pertains to Christians).

""Seek the LORD while He may be found, call upon Him while he is near; let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, that He may have mercy on him, and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon." Is. 55:6 & 7.

Elizabeth J.| 8.30.11 @ 8:46PM

Ugly. Ugly. Ugly.

Abortion is a hot button topic, but reading the posts, both pro and anti, made me feel sick.

The virulent, smartmouth tones of some of these posters make me ashamed to be reading this blog.

Start from top and read down. Rudeness and brutal disrespect for another's opionion over and over.

Are any of you capable of carrying on a civilized conversation about a controversial topic? I doubt it.

There are a few calm, reasoned voices on here, but only a few.

Please stop name-calling, changing the subject, assuming a know-it-all attitude. Abortion is a complex issue that deserves more serious thought than you posters are capable of giving it.

poolhall| 8.30.11 @ 8:47PM

Amen, sister.

Margie| 8.30.11 @ 9:47PM

ElizabethJ.,

You wouldn't like Jesus much, then.
He referred to some who didn't believe in Him as vipers.
He also tells people that unless they repent and believe in Him they condemn themselves and that the wrath of His Father will be upon them.
He also told some that they were of their father, the Devil.
He also told His followers to be like Him.
On that note I'm going to say that I don't appreciate your self-righteous condescending attitude.
Okeedokee?

C or T| 8.30.11 @ 9:54PM

Margie,

Apologized to Old Texican yet for your rude, public chastising of him right here on American Spectator?

I wish you would be more Christian and do the right thing.

Margie| 8.31.11 @ 1:37AM

I wish that you would do the right thing, and become a Christian.
Then you will stop trolling for trouble.

Freedom of Choice| 8.30.11 @ 8:23AM

It's a Woman's Issue

The status of a fetus is a matter of subjective opinion, and the only opinion that counts is that of the pregnant woman. For example, a happily pregnant woman may feel love for her fetus as a special and unique human being, a welcome and highly anticipated member of her family. She names her fetus, refers to it as a baby, talks to it, and so on.

But an unhappily pregnant woman may view her fetus with utter dismay, bordering on revulsion. She cannot bring herself to refer to it as anything other than "it," much less a human being. She is desperate to get rid of this unwelcome invader, and when she does, she feels tremendous relief.

Both of these reactions to a fetus, and all reactions in between, are perfectly valid and natural. Both may even occur in the same woman, years apart.

Regardless of whether a fetus is a human being or has rights, women will have abortions anyway, even if it means breaking the law or risking their lives.

jothepro| 8.30.11 @ 8:47AM

Hey Freedom of Choice, I was amazed at your depth and moral reasoning on the abortion issue. Did you have advanced schooling in stupid thought? Maybe you could post this vile crap on a liberal web site where you might blend in better.

Freedom of Choice| 8.30.11 @ 8:52AM

Conservaties are not in agreement on abortion. Many conservatives, including me, are Pro Choice.

It's time the readers of AmSpec develop the maturity to consider different perspectives.

Jim| 8.30.11 @ 8:55AM

Ditto, Freedom of Choice.

American Spectator seems to think that there is a confederacy of conservatives who fall in lockstep with every issue. This is not the case!

And when someone disagrees, they are called "trolls."

Teaghan| 8.30.11 @ 4:17PM

No, we call them murderers.

Drunken Sailor| 8.30.11 @ 12:21PM

Diffrent perspective? Do you take a ice pick to the head of unwanted puppies too or do they get a pass because they are helpless animals?

Should Have Impeached| 8.30.11 @ 3:32PM

You can champion the validity of a woman's rejection of her fetus as much as I can champion the fact that killing it is a sadly misguided and destructive response to pregnancy. But NO-ONE should have the right to take the earned dollars of people who abhor abortion and use those same dollars to promote it against their wishes--thereby forcing them to be complicit in it!!! I'd like to think that even if I were pro-choice I would get that! But no, liberals are ever the true authoritarians.

Tiddly| 8.30.11 @ 6:28PM

The status of the fetus (baby) as a human being is NOT dependent on the mother's attitude toward it.

It is a human life, no matter what she thinks of it.

What a stupid thing to say otherwise.

David W| 8.30.11 @ 9:11AM

But is it not contingent upon those who support life to try to convince the unhappy woman that there are other options besides murder? Is it not contingent upon us to try to outspeak/yell those who support the murder of the unborn with our view point, that these most defenseless creatures are worth protection?

Imagine the uproar from the left is someone were to suggest that the way to reduce the number of unwanted cats and dogs that are put to sleep would be to catch pregnant cats and dogs and give them abortions. That way we wouldn't have to worry about unwanted kittens or puppies. Not only would PETA protest, but others would as well.

Until the left succeeds in stopping free speech we need to be sure that our voice is heard.

Jim| 8.30.11 @ 10:56AM

The word "murder" is totally unappropriate here. Do you support charging women who terminate their pregnancies with murder?

The fetus is NOT a viable human being; it cannot life on its own; it does not have a name, memory, emotions, etc.

Maddox| 8.30.11 @ 11:16AM

It is not for us to judge whether abortion is murder. I believe GOD will. The fetus may not have a name but how do you know it does not have emotions or memories. It does have a soul. In The Bible GOD is quoted "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you. I set you apart for my holy purpose." Jeremiah 1:5.
If we decide which of GOD's laws matter to us we are no better than those in government now who have decided which of our laws matter to them. It is a woman's right to chose whether we grant that to her as a legal right or not is where we must choose. If it is illegal, her choice is between her and GOD.
To have a moral country, we must have moral leaders. The slow erosion of each and every principle has led us to the decline of America. Compromising with evil will lead to destruction of all that is good. Isn't that what we are witnessing now?

Jim| 8.30.11 @ 11:31AM

If you must drag out the bible, how about Jesus saying he "will judge the quick and the dead."

Quick means ALIVE.

Quickening of the fetus ususally starts in the second trimester. So in the first trimester, according to the bible, the fetus is NOT alive.

But all of this rambling from every poster on this blog is rather messy. So many conservatives think in black and white, allowing no shades of gray.

Rita| 8.30.11 @ 11:35AM

You're wasting your breath, Jim.

Conservatives are basically anti-intellectual and anti-science. They do not deal in abstract thinking. That's why on all issues their minds are made up and no persuasive argument can influence their fundamentalist minds.

Drunken Sailor| 8.30.11 @ 12:23PM

Scroll down to KyMouse post and argue the "science" behind that.

Al Adab| 8.30.11 @ 12:38PM

Rits,
It is very sad to confront such a "true believer" as yourself. Read your Eric Hoffer to understand the dangers of the term. For 2500 years, Western Civilization has valued the worth of the individual over the power or demands of the State. That the battle continues is sad beyond belief. Beware that during your postings your intellectual elitism (i.e. those who do not agree are ignorant) is showing.

Allen| 8.30.11 @ 12:50PM

A fetus is not a human being. A fetus has the potential to become one, but it is far from having the status of a baby, a human being.

Al Adab| 8.30.11 @ 2:01PM

Allen:
What other groups would you declare non-human?

Allen| 8.30.11 @ 4:11PM

Non-Human Fetus

One thing for sure, Al Adab: If medical science could determine the sexual orientation of a fetus, and if the fetus were same-sex-oriented, you and all your pro-life fanatics would have it aborted in a minute.

Your rallying cry would be

ABORT ALL SAME-SEX-ORIENTED FETUSES NOW!

Jim| 8.30.11 @ 4:14PM

Too cold, Allen. Way too cold.

But you made a point, although a little too harshly for my taste. (just a little too much anger behind your post)

Allen| 8.30.11 @ 4:19PM

Jim, evidently you are not a regular reader of this blog. If you were, you would know that my remark about aborting same-sex-oriented fetuses is precisely what the homophobes on this site would probably do.

I mean these people are hardcore haters.

W| 8.30.11 @ 5:36PM

Allen, how do you know this? Who are these hard core haters?

Colt45| 8.30.11 @ 5:40PM

Zounds good to me Allen.

I don't care any which way about abortion, but I can tell you this.

If my wife was carrying my son and a medical test showed that my son would be attracted to males and not to females I'd abort the little fag.

Al Adab| 8.30.11 @ 4:28PM

Thank you for your diatribe Allen but it rather avoids the question does it not?

And by the way you might consider before judgementally categorizing those who might have a different perspective from your own as fanatics. After all Allen don't we worship Tolerance and Diversity?

MikeBee| 8.31.11 @ 1:24PM

Allen,
Sorry, but the hateful Left has already beat us to the punch on this one. If a child is Down's Syndrome or has some other defect while in the womb, the Left calls for aborting the child. We're the ones who are calling for NOT aborting any child, regardless of defects. Nice try, but doesn't carry any credence on the Right.

skip| 8.30.11 @ 7:40PM

Allen

A liberal is not a human being of any intelligence or honesty. A liberal has the potential to become one, but it is far from having the status of an innocent defenseless unborn baby, a human being worthy of respect.

Dave Williams| 8.30.11 @ 1:18PM

Oh, you could not be more wrong...I am a proud conservative with a Cornell PhD, and I admire and respect science for providing us with the ONLY reliable map of reality as it exists. I'm against abortion because it encourages the murder of the young and helpless, which we all have been. We'll never be that way again, but (if we're lucky) we WILL live long enough to be old and helpless. Do you REALLY want to live in a world that is so cruel to those who can't defend themselves??? THINK!!!

Butch| 8.30.11 @ 4:50PM

Spoken by someone whose mind is made up. Problem is, you never thought about it all. You just accepted the gospel of your leftwing sociology professor/indoctrinator, math dodger.

Butch| 8.30.11 @ 4:53PM

Above in reply to Rita.

Maddox| 8.30.11 @ 1:39PM

There are shades of gray. Can a murder committed with forethought and malice because of threats to one's family be a shade of gray? I think so but our laws do not allow that either. Would you legalize murder because sometimes it is understandable?

Margie| 8.30.11 @ 3:49PM

Jim, that is so lame.
Jim, you were once a fetus.

MikeBee| 8.30.11 @ 7:31PM

Jim,
Spoken like a true liberal. Study the scientific facts, instead of ignoring them. The fetus is alive from the moment of conception. No one debates that. People on all sides of the issue recognize that the fetus is a living being. It is alive.

Joellen| 8.30.11 @ 12:46PM

Jim, keep telling yourself the LIE that the BABY is not a VIABLE HUMAN BEING. I would ask you a very simple question, from conception, what is the product of labor? An acorn, a watermelon? No, it is a baby who by the way is fully formed within 2 weeks. So, please, do yourself a favor, get the real facts on WHO is being murdered in the womb, reflect and pray that instead of trying to justify this horrific act of evil, you become the newest warrior to fight against it.

Claire| 8.30.11 @ 9:17AM

It's a man's issue too.

Your two reactions are also felt by the father, are they not?

But conflict arises, obviously, when the father loves this fetus as a new member of the family while the mother see it as an invader; in this instance, it is a woman's issue because she is the one carrying the baby and has the power to end the baby's life, unfortunately.

W| 8.30.11 @ 10:06AM

Do you think or believe that a fetus is a human being? If not, what is it, not its "status," but what is it?

Jim| 8.30.11 @ 11:04AM

W,

Can the fetus live on its own? A human is capable of living life on its own.

If the fetus is a "human being," then let's assign it a social security number.

W| 8.30.11 @ 11:18AM

Jim,

Can a one year old live alone? How about a two,three,or four year old?
How about people in a nursing home, can they live alone? Obviously not, if you visit one you will see they need 24 care.
How about mentally disabled, or severely retarted, or physically disabled?
Under your definition, none of them are human beings since they cannot live on their own, and it is ok to kill them, right?

I assume your answer is to provoke an argument and discussion because no sane person would believe what your wrote.

Al Adab| 8.30.11 @ 11:36AM

Abortion represents an extension of the Faith which Socialism, or Statism if you prefer, demands of those under its control. The individual is subordinated to the control of the collective or the community and has no inherent value on its own. Hence the extension of this belief to the unborn, inconvenient being.

When the state, in the guise of the Idol Choice (it is the worship of idolotry) can determine the value of a particular individual, we are become slaves whose life is allowed only when of service to the state. What was the line in the movie Ben Hur, "You live to serve this ship. Row well and live."

The question for us all is simply, does the individual have intrinsic value or is any value a human holds simply a matter of worth to the higher authority? Answer that querstion if you dare.

Petronius| 8.30.11 @ 3:12PM

The quote from Ben Hur spoken by the late great Jack Hawkins was, "We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well and live." (accent on the WE,=the empire)

Al Adab| 8.30.11 @ 4:10PM

Thanks Petronius, I was trying it from memory but I think the point applies.

Rita| 8.30.11 @ 11:44AM

W,
My theory is that people like you Pro Lifers, who spend so much time, energy, and money on anti-abortion campaigns, should instead spend it on the precious children they say need saving so much—the ones who are alive and parentless.

Imagine if all the funds spent on all those billboards and flyers and campaigns were instead either spent adopting or donating to places that are overrun with orphaned children… perhaps some actual credibility would be given to these people who claim to love children so much.

Jim's point is that human life begins at birth. This is what many people think, people who are more engaged with issues of morality and ethics than the average pro lifer, who sees everything in simplistic terms.

W| 8.30.11 @ 12:18PM

Rita,
How do you know that pro-lifers do not do what you say?
How would you feel if one of those billboards convinced your mother to have you and not abort you?
What is your definition of "human life,"since that is the criterion you use for abortion?

Rita| 8.30.11 @ 12:52PM

Had my mother aborted me, I would not have known one thing about it. I had no memory, no personality, no mind to speak of, etc.

W| 8.30.11 @ 12:56PM

Rita,
The fetus has a brain and therefore would have memory untit it was killed. What do you mean by "mind."

Rita| 8.30.11 @ 4:22PM

Memory of what? Memory of family, friends, rides on the merry-go-round? What kind of memories would a fetus have, W?

W| 8.30.11 @ 5:38PM

Rita, you would have the memory of being killed it you were aborted. You would not have memories of friends, family, rides on the merrygoround, and others because you were killed. You unwittingly made the case for life. Congratulations.

Allen| 8.30.11 @ 6:58PM

And the thousands of babies who are born to irresponsible, abusive, criminal parents.

These babies are physically, emotionally, and sometimes sexually abused by their monster mothers (mama baby) and fathers (daddy baby) and drug-addled friends. Often they are tortured before they finally die of abuse.

These babies and children would have been better off had their mother aborted them. Of this I am sure.

My wife is a social worker, and you should hear her tales. Unspeakable abuse!

Al Adab| 8.30.11 @ 7:23PM

Thank you Allen for we now understand that the issue is about what kind of life is worth living and who it is that gets to decide.

Al Adab| 8.30.11 @ 12:33PM

Oh Rita:
You have my sympathy. You would be amazed how many "pro-lifers" (is the term derogatory?) have adopted children. Indeed they quietly put their money where their mouth is.

As to the "morality and ethics' of the matter, I would be happy to discuss it with you anythime. I daresay the understanding of the greater ethical isses of the matter is better understood by those you disparage than by those who see it in such simple terms as "Choice".

Claire| 8.30.11 @ 2:10PM

So, if "human life begins at birth", it's not human life the day before birth, or maybe it's just not life or maybe it's just not human? Sorry, but this sounds like willful ignorance. Ultrasound reveals that the thing in the womb looks human, and it even reveals that it's alive.

The simplistic explanation here seems to be the one that infers that one day we're not human, but poof! the next day we are.

Skippy| 8.30.11 @ 5:00PM

My darling bride is an OB RN, and our daughter is a NICU RN.
They would be fascinated at this discussion.
The babies they care for are delivered often before the magical natural birth moment, so they are not quite people yet?
The premies could not survive without their extraordinary interventions, so they are working on non-humans?
The abortionists point is that life begins whenever it is most convenient for them and their social calendar or career track.
It would be proper for them to spend their final years wondering each moment when their family and Govt. are going to decide they are no longer human enough to keep alive.

Margie| 8.30.11 @ 3:52PM

"Jim's point is that human life begins at birth."

Who cares what Jim's point is?

Jim, the once up and coming fetus, didn't happen to have a Mother who killed him, did he?

MikeBee| 8.30.11 @ 7:45PM

Rita,
In the history of our country, there have been more than 50 million abortions. On average, an abortion costs about $600. That means that, on average, $3 billion has been spent on abortions in the history of this country.

Imagine if that money had been spent on the poor in this country, or to support the children of poor women who can't afford their children. What a blazing hypocrite you are! Instead of using this $3 billion to assist the poor, 50 million women have spent it on themselves, for their own convenience. At the last judgement, who will be judged more harshly? The women who used their money to help the poor, or those who spent it on themselves, for their own convenience?

Yet you see fit to judge conservatives, and to question their charity, just because they don't support abortion? What blazing hypocrisy! When you are calling for women to spend their $600 on the poor, rather than on an abortion, you will then have the credibility to ask conservatives how they spend their money.

Margie| 8.30.11 @ 9:54PM

Great point, Mike Bee. You nailed it.
Rita Rita Meter Maid~ where did you go?
Sorry, just reminded me of that old Beatles' tune.

Al Adab| 8.30.11 @ 2:08PM

Assign it a SSN? Do you mean to say that it is the State which determines who is human and who is not? Does out humanity require the aquiesence of authority or do we posses it by virtue of our being?

9thID| 8.30.11 @ 10:29AM

Congrats, you have just been awarded the prestigious Romans 1:28 award for moral relativism and equivalency! Genocide and infanticide should be legal, safe, and rare -- right? People are going to do it anyway...

Rita| 8.30.11 @ 11:02AM

A fetus is a fetus. It is not an infant. It is not a baby.

Besides, it is the woman's right to do what she likes with her body.

Wayne | 8.30.11 @ 11:07AM

It is not her body that she is killing. IF she wants to kill herself, then go ahead, but leave the innocent alone. Tell me exactly what miracle happens at birth that makes a fetus a person. The child is the same right after birth as it was just before birth. The only difference is its location.

W| 8.30.11 @ 12:20PM

Rita,
Are these the intellectual arguments that we conservatives are too dumb to understand?

Margie| 8.30.11 @ 3:55PM

Rita,

If a fetus isn't a baby, how do you explain your own existence?

A fetus is an infant is a baby is an adult.

Oh how profound!!

Margie| 8.30.11 @ 3:57PM

p.s. Rita,

Fetuses cry and scream while they are being tortured to death.
Did you know that it hurts, Rita?

Butch| 8.30.11 @ 4:56PM

A doctor once wrote, "I have never had an expectant mother call her baby a fetus."

Wayne | 8.30.11 @ 11:04AM

I think an obligation a father has is to protect his children. It is his duty to defend this fetus from the wanted attack of a surgeon that sucks the brain of the fetus right in the womb. As a nation it is our obligation to support this father in saving the life of his child.

Anita| 8.30.11 @ 11:18AM

When does any woman happily proclaim "I am with fetus!"
Abortion: the murder of a helpless, defenseless human being
A baby.

Sophist Watch| 8.30.11 @ 11:35AM

Any murderer without conscience can say the exact same things. The women I know that have had abortions usually have to contend with their consciences. Selfishly killing another human being is a hell of a thing.

KyMouse| 8.30.11 @ 11:39AM

FOC, it's no surprise that rights are always more popular than responsibilities.

However, a pregnant mother has the responsibility to nurture her tiny son or daughter, and make preparations for that child's home -- whether the home will be with her, or with someone else.

Until medical science advances to the point that one mother can transfer her unborn son or daughter into another woman's womb, pregnant women will have responsibilities, not only rights, concerning their babies. Unless the mother accepts her responsibility to carry her baby to term, that helpless child will die.

There are an estimated two million couples who would love to adopt babies whose mothers don't want them or are unable to raise them. There are more than 4,000 pregnancy resource centers nationwide eager to help with the mother's needs during pregnancy and find an adoptive home for the child.

Abortion, even "safe, legal" abortion, can be disastrous for mothers. Google "Lou Ann Herron" and "Synthia Dennard" to read what happened to two mothers who put their lives in the hands of abortionists.

Every mother deserves better than abortion.

Every child deserves a chance.

Drunken Sailor| 8.30.11 @ 11:49AM

"Regardless of whether a fetus is a human being or has rights, women will have abortions anyway"

So your saying even if a fetus is a human being and has rights it's ok for women to abort them. If that is the case why stop there. Why should we prosecute mothers who kill their children and claim Post Partum depression? Why should women be giving a pass when it comes to a possible murder? True, many women will resort to abortion as long as it is legal (and many of them will come to regret it later in life). Some even use it as a form of birth control. However, if it were not legal many would choose another option such as giving the child up for adoption or heaven forbid, being responsible and practices safe-sex/birth control.

Your argument is shallow.

Southern_Comment| 8.30.11 @ 4:34PM

I'm pro-life - let me just go ahead and state that. However, I think by the comment
Regardless of whether a fetus is a human being or has rights, women will have abortions anyway"
It should be taken with what history has shown. Even in places where abortion was illegal, doctors still performed them, and unfortunately people who weren't doctors, and that was just as brutal.
I'm not sure what the solution is, but whether its two lives or one - still does not make the argument any more morally correct.

m| 8.30.11 @ 12:11PM

It's all about me - huh? Always all about the poor victim woman? Well, women make choices and those choices affect others - particularly the baby who has "no choice." And what makes you think your position is superior to the baby's? Seems to me that when a woman gets pregnant that there are now two lives in the one body (for a time). This is just a control issue. The humble and meek shall always yield to life. The prideful and self seeking shall always yield to self. This is your CHOICE!

JimH| 8.30.11 @ 12:46PM

I don’t know if you are giving a firsthand account. It may be apocryphal but I hear that most reports show women come to regret having had the abortion. Whether a newly fertilized ovum is a human being I leave to philosophers and theologians, when you can read an EEG from the fetus it is pretty clear that you are dealing with a person. Just because some or most people do something does not make it right.

MikeBee| 8.30.11 @ 1:42PM

FOC,
Wow! For a second, let's accept your "brilliant" argument. Follows:
The status of a nannied child is a matter of subjective opinion, and the only opinion that counts is that of the nanny. For example, a happily-employed nanny may feel love for the child in her care as a special and unique human being, a welcome member of her boss' family. She refers to it as a baby, talks to it, feeds it, and so on.

But an unhappily-employed nanny may view the child in her care with utter dismay, bordering on revulsion. The child will most likely grow up being just like her boss, whom she views with derision. She is desperate to get rid of (kill) this unwelcome invader, and when she does, she feels tremendous relief.

Both of these reactions to a nannied child, and all reactions in between, are perfectly valid and natural. Both may even occur in the same nanny, years apart.

Regardless of whether a nannied child is a human being or has rights, nannies will kill the children under their care anyway (expecially on particularly bad days), even if it means breaking the law or risking their own lives.

So, in conclusion, who is to say that a nanny who murders the child in her care is guilty of a crime? In fact, if she murders the child in a back alley, this would be a terrible and filthy place for that child to die. Instead, let's provide shelters where all murderous nannies can kill the children in their care, when they're having a bad day.

Yes, that logic of yours is absolutely brilliant! Let's make all our laws dependent on how someone feels on a particular day. That guy who raped your daughter? Well, he just felt like it that day, and, he was a victim of society, anyway. He was just acting out because society holds him down. But we have a problem to solve: he raped her in a back alley crack house. Let's build clean houses in good neighborhoods, where rapists can attack their victims in a nice environment. Put pictures on the wall, you know?

TrueBlue| 8.30.11 @ 3:05PM

Whether a fetus is a human being or not is beyond the point. At the moment of conception a new living being is created. If someone horrifically kills an animal they are still charged with a crime. How is it any different with the methods that are used in aborting an unborn child? All you people that have no problems with abortion, do you even understand what goes into an abortion?

Do most of you understand that even in cases where the woman did not want the child, they still feel remorse and are emotionally scarred by the abortion of that child?

The only case that can be made for the killing of a living being (even if the fetus cannot survive on their own they are still alive!) is if the life of the mother would be in jeopardy by carrying the fetus to term. If PETA can be all up in arms over the killing of a wild animal that has been proven to attack and kill humans, then those of us that are anti-abortion can dang well be up in arms against those who willfully take the life of an innocent being.

DaveD| 8.30.11 @ 4:43PM

Freedom of Choice, will you concede that some (many?) Americans consider abortion to be immoral? Will you allow us the freedom to make that moral/immoral decision? OR must we accept your version of morality, and if so why yours and not my next door neighbor's? Why is your brand of morality so special? Why is mine inferior? Sez who?

A case is sometimes made that government should be neutral towards moral issues. What utter poppycock. Murder is a moral issue. So is thievery. So is lying - especially under oath. Since government is involved in moral issues - a case can be made that law is the codification of morality -

DaveD| 8.30.11 @ 4:52PM

[crap, hit the wrong button]

Freedom of Choice, will you concede that some (many?) Americans consider abortion to be immoral? Will you allow us the freedom to make that moral/immoral decision? OR must we accept your version of morality, and if so why yours and not my next door neighbor's? Why is your brand of morality so special? Why is mine inferior? Sez who?

A case is sometimes made that government should be neutral towards moral issues. What utter poppycock. Murder is a moral issue. So is thievery. So is lying - especially under oath. Since government is involved in moral issues - a case can be made that law is the codification of morality - government has a natural right to be involved in abortion. For make no mistake about it, abortion is a moral issue.

Sadly, while we all pretty much agree about murder, theft and deceit, we don't all agree about abortion. And there's the rub.

Government currently actively promotes abortion. It does so by eliminating restrictions, making it simple for under-aged girls to get abortions without parental notification, and worst of all, uses my tax dollars to pay for it. Forcing me to pay for abortions goes right back to the first point - why is your morality superior to mine?

Furthermore governmental policy towards abortion is INSANE. Killing a one-month-old baby is murder. Killing a baby one month before it is born through dismemberment is just a "woman's personal choice." Makes no sense.

Occam's Tool| 8.30.11 @ 1:39PM

What's most fascinating is that the Greatest Intellect Manifested as Potus (the GIMP), doesn't seem to realize that he is aborting away the future wage slaves who will pay for his preposterous social programs.

Margie| 8.30.11 @ 9:56PM

Yes, he's pro-death, of the American way.

POST American| 8.30.11 @ 7:14AM

----YES, 50 MILLION and counting missing
Americans later ---here in POST Oprah POST
America ----lest we forget.

"Understand folks, Globalism, 'Free Trade'
and EUGENICS are always intertwined.
---ALWAYS."
-ALAN WATT

ALWAYS

---------ALWAYS

-----------------ALWAYS

Uriel| 8.30.11 @ 7:15AM

The very first thing I looked into when Obama came on the scene a few years back was his belief on abortion. Needless to say, I immediately dismissed him as an option. He has been even worse than I thought, showing an appalling lack of concern for human life in the womb.

Jim| 8.30.11 @ 7:36AM

Let's change "human life in the womb" to "the potential for human life." A fetus has the potential to become human, and is almost human near the end of the third trimester.

Abortions in the first trimester are the extraction of blobs of protoplasm.

Pecos Pete| 8.30.11 @ 8:00AM

Blobs? Almost human? Man, you be sick.

Claire| 8.30.11 @ 8:01AM

Well, speaking as an ex-blob of protoplasm, I'm glad my mom didn't abort me.

The Bishop| 8.30.11 @ 8:04AM

Jim, you need to review how Justice Harry Blackmum arrived at that trimester model in writing the majority opinion of Roe v. Wade. It is totally fictional and arbitrary, designed to abate conscience pain.

KyMouse| 8.30.11 @ 11:07AM

Jim, from the moment egg and sperm unite, there is a new human life with human DNA. For growth into an adult like you or me, ALL that is needed is time and nutrition.

I have in front of me a copy of "The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology," a textbook for medical students (not seminary students). On page one it says, "Zygote: This cell results from fertilization of an ovum by a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being." Not a potential human being.

That medical textbook also says, "Human development is a continuous process that begins when an ovum from a female is fertilized by a sperm from a male."

Instead of playing word games, why not actually learn some embryology? "Blobs of protoplasm" might have seemed like a scientific description during Victorian times, but any modern embryology textbook will show you how a zygote grows -- developing just as you once did. Keep in mind that you didn't come FROM a zygote, you WERE a zygote.

You say that "abortions in the first trimester [12 weeks] are the extraction of blobs of protoplasm." Are you deliberately ignorant of the facts?

By the 4th week, the baby's heart has begun to beat. By about the 6th week, brain waves can be read. By the end of the 8th week, the baby's skeleton, head, face, arms, legs, fingers (and fingerprints), toes, circulatory and major muscle systems are complete -- as that textbook puts it, "the beginnings of all essential structures are present."

By the 12th week (end of the first trimester), the baby already has a distinctly individual appearance, with facial expressions resembling Mom and Dad's.

You can play all the word games you want, but no human being can skip those earliest stages of development, and none of us does. Every human being begins microscopically small, but we are still human from that first uniting of egg and sperm. We can't be anything BUT human!

There are no "potential human beings," only human beings with potential.

Al Adab| 8.30.11 @ 11:40AM

Thank you Ky mouse:
It is of utmost importance that we continue to recognize the individual as having value. The value of a being is not determined by his/her worth to the state or any other higher authority. Western Civilization values the individual for inherent worth not for value to the collective.

Drunken Sailor| 8.30.11 @ 11:55AM

Exellent post!

Dr. Benson| 8.30.11 @ 4:36PM

"By about the sixth week, brain waves can be read."

The assertion is made over and over again that "fetal brain activity" has been observed or "fetal brain waves" have been measured at 40, 43, or 45 days, or at 6 weeks after fertilization. You can find the claim in "pro-life" and sometimes even nonmedical pro-choice literature. Sometimes a reference is cited, but most often not. This false information has passed into the general understanding about fetal development and is simply stated as fact. It is however a factoid instead, which is the name for a statement repeated often enough that people accept it as truth, though it's not.

See Margaret Sykes studies of fetal development.

Skippy| 8.30.11 @ 5:34PM

So, as a factoid, is it a lie?
Does the factoid interfere with your opinion re: life?
Are you saying the factoid justifies abortion?
Are pro-lifers all liars?
Do you mean to state that a 6 weeker is merely a blob of cells?

Nick| 8.31.11 @ 1:39AM

Dr. Benson,

It doesn't really matter when fetal brain activity can be detected.

At the moment of conception, a new, unique human life is created, with his own DNA. This new life immediately begins to grow. It consumes nourishment.

By the second week of life, the unborn baby (fetus in Latin) has implanted himself into the uterine wall, and begins to consume oxygen and nutrients from the mother's blood and expel waste.

Human life begins at conception. Killing this innocent human life, through an abortion, is never morally justified. Abortion is intrinsically evil.

Andy Malone| 9.2.11 @ 1:35PM

Thanks that was great fun researching the credentialed Margaret Sykes who use data from the golden age of fetal encephalographic research in the 1960's to invalidate the intervening 50 years of medical advancement. For you "Dr. Benson I personally recommend that you use Galen's classic text circa. 200 AD for your anatomy studies.

This the problem for the anti-life crowd is they told a monsterous set of lies when they foisted this barbarity on America and like flies in amber just can't move past the foundational lies.

Occam's Tool| 8.30.11 @ 1:40PM

No, let's call it human life.

Margie| 8.30.11 @ 4:00PM

well then, Jim. Is it a shame that your own Mother didn't abort the inhuman blob that was you?

Is it? Or are you thankful that she didn't?

Brian Mc| 8.30.11 @ 7:18AM

The look of indifferent shock on his face in the photo tells all. Truly, pictures do speak a thousand words.

Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 8.30.11 @ 7:48AM

Well your right as always Post-A, Always, ALWAYS, A.L.W.A.Y.S!!

From what I'm hearing, this administration serves Fetal Stem Cells with every State dinner, especially when Oprah comes by for a visit!! How do you think they got Sir Paul McCartney to play a show for them at the White House? I mean, the guy's barely alive, but they fed him a bowl of cells, and he jumped right up and started Rocking!! "Back in the U.S., Back in the U.S., Back in the U.S.S.R!! You haven't seen Paul playing since then have you? No you haven't, because he's barely alive!!

I hear that the Democrats get their Superpowers from eating babies!! I'm not sure if that's true, but it does explain a lot. They don't "want" to kill babies you see, they "have" to kill babies!! It almost makes you feel sorry for them!! They're kind of like Vampires, except that they're actually "real"!! It makes your wonder, how do they look into their own Children's eyes, after they just finished eating a sandwich topped off with Stem Cells? Or do they share that sandwich with their kids? Ugh!! How young is too young to eat Stem Cells?

Jim| 8.30.11 @ 7:52AM

We can do without the unrestrained, ignorant hysterics.

C Smith| 8.30.11 @ 9:44AM

OK: go to Google, click Images, and enter the word "abortion."

Margie| 8.30.11 @ 4:02PM

Ignorant you say? Hmm.

michigander_sandusky| 8.30.11 @ 7:52AM

Above My Pay Grade
Craig Thomas
During the “Saddleback” presidential debate Barack Obama was
asked several questions about abortion. One question was: “When
does a fetus become a human being?” In classic political doublespeak
Mr. Obama said that such a determination “is above my pay grade.”
Keep in mind Mr. Obama favors no restrictions whatsoever on abortion
and even favors partial-birth abortion. Such a position is incongruent
with his “pay grade” argument and his claim to have good judgment.
Think about it. If one is not sure when a fetus becomes a human
being wouldn’t good judgment oppose every form of abortion?
After all, if you don’t know when it becomes human, how do you
know you’re not murdering it if you allow abortion at any point in its
development? The only safe position if you’re not sure is to oppose
all abortions. To make the “pay grade” argument on one hand and
approve all abortions on the other is intellectually dishonest and a
shoddy political ploy. Plus, at some point it must condone murder!

Jim| 8.30.11 @ 7:53AM

If we're going to submit posts, let's try to maintain a dignified tone. No more shrieking nonsenses, please.

Drunken Sailor| 8.30.11 @ 11:56AM

Define shrieking nonsese. One gets the impression you mean anything that disagrees with your point of view. Who are you ,Obama?

W| 8.30.11 @ 12:25PM

DS,
By "dignified tone" he means to use euphemism, such as "termination" and "potential life" and "blobs of protoplasm."
Don't use plain English words such as "kill a baby" or "kill a human being" or "kill."

Drunken Sailor| 8.30.11 @ 1:58PM

All true, W. You can almost read the condescending tone in the post.

Why is it that most people who call themselves Pro-Choice really mean Pro-abortion? Afterall, keeping a child or putting them up for adoption is a choice but they never argue for that.

W| 8.30.11 @ 2:23PM

"Pro-choice" sounds good, intellectual and independent mind, another euphemism for the abortion crowd. But if you use pro-choice for school vouchers, then that is bad.

Margie| 8.30.11 @ 4:03PM

Shrieking nonsense you say? Hmm.

Skippy| 8.30.11 @ 5:41PM

Shriek this, fool.
Boy, do you hate to be disagreed with!
Best to stay over at the safe and reassuring sites, Jimbo.
The adults are here, and we're talking about the kids.
You go play now.
We'll call you when dinner's ready.

Mimi| 8.30.11 @ 8:01AM

Believe me...The SMIRK will come off the fool's face! Nov.7 2012 ....If not before... " to spend time with his family". Somehow, someway JUSTICE will suffice!
Most of us knew from the very beginning...this one was up to NO GOOD!, but never dreamed he would be this deliberate in the DEVIL'S work!
I hope this is'nt too HARSH for the BISHOP!

Sara B| 8.30.11 @ 8:16AM

Caption for picture with the post: How did you make it out? I thought I'd taken care of punishments like you.

Intelligent Design| 8.30.11 @ 8:32AM

Obama and his Demo-Socialist Party are racists. They want abortion-on-demand paid for by the federal government, which disproportionately limits additions to the black and Hispanic population versus additions to the non-Hispanic white population.

Occam's Tool| 8.30.11 @ 1:43PM

ID:

Yes, the racism is obvious. From denying poor smart black kids access to his daughters' private school through removal of scholarships, to his wife denying poor black kids in Chicago Health Care at U of C, the Obama's hatred of their own people comes through loud and clear.

G. Tracy Mehan, III| 8.30.11 @ 9:32AM

Jim, I think a better formulation is "a human life with potential." Pax.

C Smith| 8.30.11 @ 9:35AM

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 5, 2008

And the Man of God Wept

On the day after the first Tuesday in November, the reality is becoming clear. Our defenses are to be destroyed, our young men who guard them, little more than fuel for the fire, and our little ones, ripped from their mothers and dashed to the ground:

"And Elisha came to Damascus; and Benhadad the king of Syria was sick; and it was told him, saying, The man of God is come hither. And the king said unto Hazael, Take a present in thine hand, and go, meet the man of God, and inquire of the LORD by him, saying, Shall I recover of this disease? So Hazael went to meet him, and took a present with him, even of every good thing of Damascus, forty camels’ burden, and came and stood before him, and said, Thy son Benhadad king of Syria hath sent me to thee, saying, Shall I recover of this disease? And Elisha said unto him, Go, say unto him, Thou mayest certainly recover: howbeit the LORD hath showed me that he shall surely die. And he settled his countenance stedfastly, until he was ashamed: and the man of God wept. And Hazael said, Why weepeth my lord? And he answered, Because I know the evil that thou wilt do unto the children of Israel: their strong holds wilt thou set on fire, and their young men wilt thou slay with the sword, and wilt dash their children, and rip up their women with child. And Hazael said, But what, is thy servant a dog, that he should do this great thing? And Elisha answered, The LORD hath showed me that thou shalt be king over Syria. So he departed from Elisha, and came to his master; who said to him, What said Elisha to thee? And he answered, He told me that thou shouldest surely recover. And it came to pass on the morrow, that he took a thick cloth, and dipped it in water, and spread it on his face, so that he died: and Hazael reigned in his stead" (2 Kings 8: 7-15).

Derek Leaberry| 8.30.11 @ 10:20AM

In Blue America, it is more dishonorable to smoke a cigarette or drive while drinking a beer than it is to secure an abortion, support abortion rights or perform an abortion. Barack Obama knows his people.

Petronius| 8.30.11 @ 10:45AM

I have a peculiar bent about this issue. The Constitution does not speak of it, yet the Declaration of Independence does. That makes it 10th Amendment fodder. And the Liberals who look to government as a deus ex machina for getting their way well know it. They are so devoted to abortion as a vehicle for facilitating fornication without consequence, I want to know what their reaction would be if it were made compulsory for Them, so that They would not be allowed to reproduce. They shouldn't. They're uncivilized and therefor unfit to be parents. Disgusting as it may be, let Them have abortions. That way, the sooner They will be gone and traditional American culture restored to primacy.

Simon Templar| 8.30.11 @ 12:22PM

The abortion holocaust will come to an end the same way it started. Through activism and education efforts at the local and state levels. State and local efforts to show the true nature and horror of the act via images, ultrasounds, scientific data, and other visual and concrete education aids will turn the tide of brainwashing the Left has done to insulate, distort, and desensitize the public.

Debating these nihilistic abortionist will get you nowhere. Passing regulations and restrictions into state laws will advance the reduction of the acts of murder much faster than trying to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

Lawsuits that directly attack the inherent contradictions (such as it is a double crime to kill a woman who is pregnant because the fetus is considered a human being but it is not if she decides to kill it herself) will bring this house of horrors and cards down quickly.

Simon Templar| 8.30.11 @ 12:27PM

Also, the money supply and funding has always been a critical element in the support of the murder machine. Cut it off. At all levels. Let them have the right but no taxed funding. This can be accomplished and has already been done in some places and circumstances.

Al Adab| 8.30.11 @ 12:46PM

Good comments Saint:
It is of extreme importance that this issue continue in the public square. If the state can determine that one is "not a human being" based on some standard, what is to prevent The State from determining on another standard, that others (such as Downs syndrome, disabled, or as history shows Blacks, Jews, gypsies etc.) can be declared non-human and outside the protection of the law? Note the outrage that Palin suffered for giving birth to a Downs' child.

W| 8.30.11 @ 1:03PM

Al Adab,
The State determined that black slaves were the personal property of the master, this was stated by our supreme court in Dred Scott.

Al Adab| 8.30.11 @ 1:54PM

W:
My point exactly. Unborn is today a non-person. What group is next?

Margie| 8.30.11 @ 10:00PM

Al,

Perhaps we can convince our good friend simon to consider running for office. A fine man, indeed.

cowgirl| 8.30.11 @ 3:03PM

From a moral and ethical perspective, abortion is murder. Period. End of Discussion. Those of you who will fall apart at this statement have never seen a 4-D Sonogram of a 6 week old fetus. I have, more than once.

However, I have a slippery slope argument for abortion. The "Roe Effect" has shown that the majority of abortions are chosen by liberal women. Children who would have lived and been raised by liberal/progressive women and voted democrat/liberal/progressive are more likely to be aborted than those children of conservative women. One only has look at the number of abortions that are performed on Black and Hispanic women who lean left when voting . Of course the number of abortions performed on Black and Hispanic women is way higher than that of white or Asian women. Unbelieveable how the Black and Hispanic communities support a Party that cares nothing about their unborn.

There have been over 53 million abortions performed in the United States since the inception of Roe V Wade. Just think liberals/progressives/democrats - if you would have let those babies live a good deal of them would now be of voting age and would have helped prevent the issues in the 2000 Bush-Gore election. You have all aborted yourselves out of possibily ruling the country and getting your living Constitution and all the other socialist/communists ideas (that of course don't work - see a pattern here) that you all so love and hold dearly.

Just goes to show that there is a Higher Power making the calls - might want to start listening to Him.

Al Adab| 8.30.11 @ 4:37PM

In re-reading all of the above conversation I am struck by the pass to which moral relativism has brought us. Once we reject imperical Truth; once we reject absolutes; once we relegate humans to the animal kingdom and deny the human soul we enter an evil realm.

If a human is but a beast then one death is nothing. If one is nothing then what are a million if the needs of the "community" demand it? One can choose to sacrifice oneself for a greater good, but do we allow the society to determine that good? If so then are we any different than say the Aztecs who sacrificed living beings on their altars?

What sets Western Civilization ( and Christianity) aside from others is its belief that the individual has intrinsic value as an individual not as defined by the group.

Skippy| 8.30.11 @ 5:52PM

I'm told that Stalin once said, "One death is a tragedy; one million deaths is a statistic."
He must have been on the SCOTUS bench in 1973.

Al Adab| 8.30.11 @ 7:33PM

An enlightening day of conversation. Sleep well friends as you remember the words of Thomas Jefferson, "Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

David| 8.30.11 @ 7:34PM

Cowgirl, I would like to believe what you say is true, but a long as the libs control public education, they can turn our children against us and what we teach. How much time do we spend with our children versus the 8 hours a day they spend in school and around other children while they all develop the herd mentality.

If what you say is true, there is no way Bam Bam should have been elected.

cowgirl| 8.31.11 @ 7:40AM

I agree with you on the public education issue and time spent with your children. My child is home schooled. Him along with the other home schooled children in the US will be the future leaders of this country. They will do a fine job of managing the herd mentality.

The public education system is coming to a grinding halt in this country. I truly believe that my grandchildren will not be educated in a public school, but at home via internet with access to the best schools in the country - no matter the location of student and the school.

Give the "Roe Effect" some more time. I would wager anyone that the next 3 Presidential elections will produce conservative presidents.

Timely Renewed | 8.30.11 @ 7:46PM

To really end the Obama administration's pro-abortion onslaught we must address the Supreme Court's usurpation of the right of the states to regulate abortion. To do so, we need to correct the underlying distortion of the Constitution which has allowed the Supreme Court to use the hopelessly vague language of section 1 of the 14th amendment to read whatever social policy it wants into the Constitution. This can be achieved by a constitutional amendment, not to ban abortion (desirable but politically impossible), but rather to return section 1 to its original purpose of banning governmental race discrimination. This will zero out all of the Supreme Court's unrelated judicial lawmaking under that section of the Constitution. See http://www.timelyrenewed.com

I Survived Arlen Specter| 8.30.11 @ 8:38PM

Whenever this heinous crime against humanity is brought up the following words from Jesus Christ comfort me & remind me God is still in control:
"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul & body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows." - Matthew ch. 10 vs. 28 - 31
While Christ's words did not focus directly on abortion they do focus on the value to God, our Creator of every human life & every human being He has created. God knew us all before He formed us in the womb. The book of Jeremiah bears this out in God's own words to Jeremiah. This crime will not go unpunished in the end. God will have the final say & all who had their God given life ended before it began here by either evil governments or greedy abortionists (abortionists are not doctors. Real doctors work to preserve life until God determines otherwise. They do not take lives for a profit) making their living off organized, legalized murder, will receive justice from the Almighty God who formed them in their mother's womb. May Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama & all those involved in the horrible holocaust of abortion turn to Jesus Christ before it's too late. God does not wish to see anyone perish in hell. Hell was created for Satan & his demons, not human beings. God will forgive all who truly repent & turn their lives over to Christ. All one has to do is put God first before self & ask.

Margie| 8.30.11 @ 10:04PM

Well said. A broken and contrite heart He does not despise. Ps. 51:17.

Robbie| 8.30.11 @ 9:01PM

Well, Obama did answer the question of when life begins as being above his pay grade. Oh my. 2012 please come quickly.

POST American| 8.30.11 @ 10:37PM

---------------------FINAL WORD-----------------------

--Yes, lest we forget like we've already forgotten
the 'by design' betrayal of Korea and the decades
ongoing Globalisation RED China TREASON OP,
and the century long legacy of our ILLEGAL
private, usury driven, foreign owned 'Federal Reserve's'
subversions, betrayals and world war formenting,
and the unprecedented tsunami 'out of nowhere'
on Mao Tse Tung's Birthday (2005) along with the
'Banker Bailout' and that 1.5 QUADRILLION in
FAKE USURY derivatives debt.

Lest we forget USURY, like sodomy and extermination of one's offspring is ---ABOMINATION.

------------------LEST WE FORGET--------------------

Mike| 8.31.11 @ 1:33AM

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Old Vet| 8.31.11 @ 7:09PM

Remember BO said '.. punish her with a baby ...' in reference to his daughters not receiving contraception information. This statement alone made me ill. This rotten excuse of a man is at best a sociopath. Everything he utters is against life, except his own.

The harsh reality is the United States is being punished with him.

Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel | 9.1.11 @ 2:30AM

One major aspect of Obama's pro abortion record that is shoved under the political correctness carpet, is, the following. Not even the most prominent pro life leaders have the courage to approach this subject:

"The President of the United States: A Sex Offender? -- Why Obama's support of the abortion industry is the worst molestation of youth:"

http://www.thechristianmessage.....ender.html

Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel | 9.1.11 @ 2:30AM

One major aspect of Obama's pro abortion record that is shoved under the political correctness carpet, is, the following. Not even the most prominent pro life leaders have the courage to approach this subject:

"The President of the United States: A Sex Offender? -- Why Obama's support of the abortion industry is the worst molestation of youth:"

http://www.thechristianmessage.....ender.html

Andy Malone| 9.2.11 @ 12:25PM

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