Why is most everyone -- starting with the White House and State
Department -- terrified to call it Jerusalem, Israel?
Yes, I have been away. No, I am not in Israel. I am in New York,
which even Jesse Jackson must admit is not quite the same
thing.
Someone reminded me recently that shortly after my 20th
birthday, in my first job out of college as editor of a magazine
("The Forum," now defunct) for Jewish students, I wrote a cover
story entitled "Should Jews Leave New York?" The article leaned
yes, and I demonstrated my sincerity by moving to Chicago before I
turned twenty-one. I argued that cities are symbols, embodying
estates realer than geography, and the things for which New York
stood were not things a Jew should stand for. That was 1978, long
before gay marriage ever got engaged.
This musing brings me, after all, to Jerusalem. Now there
is a city that stands for something, or used to. The Talmud
famously says: "If someone tells you that Jerusalem is built up and
Rome is in ruins, you can believe him. If someone tells you that
Rome is built up and Jerusalem is in ruins, you can believe him. If
someone tells you that Jerusalem and Rome are both built up, do not
believe him." In this reading, Rome represents decadence and
Jerusalem represents virtue and not only shall the twain never
meet, they cannot thrive simultaneously.
The Supreme Court is about to hear arguments in a case
brought by parents who demand that the State Department list their
son's place of birth as Jerusalem, Israel. Instead the policy
poltroons in Foggy Bottom write Jerusalem without appending a
country. I consider the suit a class action, and the State
Department's as a classless action. Still, it is not technically
being brought by a class; if it were, I would sign up for the
course, being the father of a daughter (1982), a son (1991), and a
daughter (1993) who share that designation on their
passports.
Apparently, the claims of other nations, religions, and
stone quarries are too powerful to allow the United States to
recognize that Jerusalem is the registered trademark of a territory
in the State of Israel. My other children have the United States as
their places of birth, despite emerging in Illinois and Ohio
(Native American territories), New York (Dutch), and Florida
(Spanish). The right of the Jewish state over Jerusalem --
including the parts granted by the United Nations in 1948 -- is
deemed too tenuous for our officious officialdom.
What will the highest court determine? One thing is fairly
predictable: the three Jews -- Ginsburg, Breyer, Kagan -- will
cower pitifully before the imaginary court of world opinion like
the Jewish serfs of yesteryear. All this talk of the liberation of
the modern Jew will echo hollowly against the cliffs those lemmings
will jump off. Quoth those craven "Nevermore"? I think not, but I
will be thrilled if proven wrong.
The Obama administration has obliged its critics with its
usual witches' brew of malice and incompetence. They entered
pleadings in the case which argued that such a requirement would
place an undue burden on the ability of the executive branch to
effectuate policy -- despite using the name of Taiwan over Chinese
objections without blowing diplomacy to smithereens.
This prompted various of the Court's friends to file
briefs noting that the White House's website had captioned a number
of photos of Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton as being snapped in
Jerusalem, Israel. The boxers in the White House found this to be
captious and they hit back quickly byscrubbingthe captions. Now the country
housing Jerusalem is as forgotten by the leaders of this country as
is its right wing.
I agree with the notion that Jerusalem is an international
city, as the Bible itself declares: "For My House shall be called a
house of prayer for all nations." (Isaiah 56:7) It is international
in the sense that virtue is a global value. But it is international
in a thematic sense only, or in a sense of being the spiritual
property of all mankind. None of those aspirations can be achieved
or enhanced by theft of its physical ownership.
The Jewish tradition teaches that the place named Salem
when Abraham first came to the land of Canaan was later renamed
Jerusalem. Salem comes from the root Shalom, meaning peace, and the
Jeru- comes from Yirah, meaning both "vision" and "awe." The merged
appellation teaches that awe of the exalted must precede peace, and
that the vision of peace will eventually bring about its reality.
Peace will not emerge through the pettifoggery of petty Foggy
Bottomers, nor through the whitewashing of the White House spin
cycle.
My three children whose status is being adjudicated are
proud Americans with passports that take them on any road in the
world but the one that leads to the simple truth. They were
privileged to first see daylight in a holy place, so I imagine they
will join the crier of the Supreme Court in this prayer for
enlightenment: "God save the United States and this honorable
court."
About the Author
Jay D. Homnick, commentator and humorist, is a frequent contributor to The American Spectator. He also writes for Human Events. Here he performs his original composition, "Buy You (Bayou) a Drink".
"If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, may my tongue cleave to the roof
of my mouth, may my right hand forget its cunning..."
And that's what Foggy Bottom has been doing since oh, say
1948.
Alan Brooks| 8.18.11 @ 9:01PM
"Why is most everyone -- starting with the White House and State
Department -- terrified to call it Jerusalem, Israel?"
Because Israel is heavily outnumbered while America is heavily
in debt?
Tomas| 8.19.11 @ 7:09AM
:-)
Purpleguy| 8.18.11 @ 7:21AM
"In this reading, Rome represents decadence and Jerusalem
represents virtue and not only shall the twain never meet, they
cannot thrive simultaneously." - Hogwash. As is this stretch to
make an issue out of a diplomatic protocol.
Appleby| 8.18.11 @ 7:31AM
Obviously you still cling to the hypothesis that anything is
good if it angers your parents.
If you can read, I recommend a science fiction story called
Jerusalem Fire. If you can think, it will give you fodder for
same.
I recall my Daddy remarking that those who rely on international
polling results to decide what exists and what doesnt would be
shocked to discover that the majority of the world, if polled,
would deny the existence of the State of New York.
Alan Brooks| 8.18.11 @ 9:04PM
"would be shocked to discover that the majority of the world, if
polled, would deny the existence of the State of New York."
Unfortunately, a billion or so deny Israel's existence; it is
the Zionist entity for them-
and such the whole point of all this.
Oldefarte| 8.18.11 @ 5:39PM
Stoop lower, the current administration is SHORT!!!!!!!
John786| 8.18.11 @ 7:34AM
A Palestinian would not get very far in Isreal trying to
register their child as born in Palestine. Jeruslam is not
recognised under international law as being part of the state of
Isreal. But, when have international boundaries stopped the
zionists. The zionist project is unwinding for those with eyes to
see.
David W| 8.18.11 @ 8:58AM
International boundaries obviously don't stop Jew haters (or is
that Judeophobes).
John786| 8.18.11 @ 9:08AM
So stating international boundaries now makes you a Jew hater.
zionists especially of the christain variety are the real
anti-Semites. Oh, the irony of it all. Appologies, to Americans I
know irony is not your strong point.
Oldefarte| 8.18.11 @ 5:41PM
Was your father's name by chance ADOLPH?????
Tomas| 8.19.11 @ 7:08AM
"zionists especially of the christain variety are the real
anti-Semites."
You're going to have to explain this one, Einstein.
-
Dan Hirsch| 8.18.11 @ 10:04AM
Well, international boundaries certainly haven't stop the
Islamicists or the Communists, either!
Dan Hirsch| 8.18.11 @ 10:05AM
John786,
Are you really that bad at spelling?
Paul Kotik| 8.18.11 @ 12:14PM
Betcha John786 is under the age of 15...
Ken (Old Texican)| 8.18.11 @ 5:12PM
Yes John (Muhammed) is that bad at spelling. He is an illiterate
Palestinian.
John786| 8.18.11 @ 11:49PM
Hello ken. Yes I'm a supporter of palestinian rights but I'm not
Palestinian. There are many ignorant supporters of Isreal who arn't
Jewish. You are one of them. I hope you get raptured.
CESC| 8.18.11 @ 3:15PM
Let's see...
Israel is attacked on all sides only moments after being officially
recognized by the world body (UN). While defending themselves from
the agressors, they pushed the aggressors across the official
border. Again in 1967, Israel is attacked without warning and they
again oush back the agressors. This time they keep the land that
they aquired as the spoils of war. A war they did not start or
desire.
Therefore, you simple-brained islamofascist, Jerusalem is indeed
the capital of Israel, whether you personally accept it or not.
Facts just don't mix with your simple mind. Go back to Gaza and
live in their self-created destitution .
LiveFreeOrDie| 8.18.11 @ 7:25PM
"Jeruslam is not recognised under international law as being
part of the state of Isreal."
Kare to pruvide a sorce for this rubish?
Hillel| 8.18.11 @ 8:49AM
Surprisingly enough John 786 is not incorrect as we chabadniks
know that the Messiah is soon coming and will straighten everything
out!
JP| 8.18.11 @ 9:02AM
A few years ago it was chic to refer to Jerusalem by its Muslim
name, Al Quds. I think it was John Brennnn who did it, and he was
praised by all the Multi-Culti fetishists.
John786| 8.18.11 @ 9:10AM
It is always And will always be alQuds- the holy. Next year in
AlQuds inshallah.
Occam's Tool| 8.18.11 @ 10:35AM
John786. Muhammed was never in Jerusalem, anus.
Oldefarte| 8.18.11 @ 5:43PM
OT, maybe there's a Jerusalem, Georgia perhaps???????
John786| 8.18.11 @ 11:53PM
Israa & miraaj you ignoramus. God gave all of Palestine to
the Muslims. It says so in the holy scriptures. Touché sir.
CESC| 8.19.11 @ 11:02AM
The Old Testament precedes the koran by over a mellenium. The
historical accounts, supported by relics and many other recorded
accounts, make it very clear that the Lord God gave the promised
land to the Israelites. Solomon's temple lies beneath the Dome of
the Rock. How can a building be under a structure unless it was
there first?
It is quite clear that by any historical measurement, the Jews
lived in and developed the long before the mohammedites. I am sorry
that historical facts are so inconvenient to a mind as limited as
yours, john786.
Skippy| 8.19.11 @ 4:05PM
He's a Muslim.
You expected logic or honesty?
Jack in Wi.| 8.21.11 @ 11:43PM
Abraham was an Iraqi. He fathered both the Arabs and Jews.
Joseph married an Egyptian, and was mummified in the Egyptian
religion. Moses was an Egyptian married to an Arab. A Cannanite
prostitute Rehab was the ancestor of David, Soloman, and Jesus.
Samson liked Philistine girls.
David had a huge harem full of all kinds of ladies. Solomon had
an even bigger Harem fullof women from all around the Middle East.
The 10 lost tribes were never lost. They just mixed into the
populations of the other surrounding tribes. Some of them became
Samaritans. Ruth was a gentile women who saved a lot of Jews. Herod
the Great was of Arab descent and rebuilt the Temple and built the
Wailing Wall. So all those Jews are banging there heads against a
wall built by an Arab.
Now the Israeli historian Sclomo Sand has written a book called
The Invention Of The Jewish People. Dr Sand's book was the number 1
best seller in Israel for weeks. In this book Dr. Sand proves what
every student of issue already knew. That the populations of the
Middle East haven't changed much in thousands of years. By genetic
and historical testing the people with the most genes closest to
Abraham are the Palistinians. The Jews from the Dispora have mixed
with many peoples over the centuries. It is time to sit down and
make peace. The world can't carry this conflict on it's back
anymore.
Oldefarte| 8.21.11 @ 2:39PM
And HE also gave the twin towers to the citizens of NYC,
dumbars!!!!!!!!
Occam's Tool| 8.18.11 @ 7:05PM
In your dreams, child rapist boy.
ncatty| 8.18.11 @ 9:43AM
Mr. Homnick expects the three jewish members of the Supreme
Court to support his position because they are jewish? Really?
Dan Hirsch| 8.18.11 @ 10:07AM
Liberals expect, count on, liberal justices deciding based on
their liberalism.
Really, they do. Both the expecting and the deciding.
Or are you still in Oz?
Don't tread on me...
ncatty| 8.18.11 @ 10:12AM
He was not talking about liberals. Read the 6th paragraph of the
article.
shoebox57| 8.18.11 @ 10:09AM
Jerusalem is the capital city of Israel. Possession is 100% of
the law.
Michael Tomlinson| 8.18.11 @ 10:11AM
Obama, Democrats and Ron Paul are appeasers of Muslim jihadist
and Jew haters (some are self-hating Jews).
Jack in Wi.| 8.21.11 @ 11:23PM
Obama has been owned by the Jewish branch of the chicago machine
his whole politiacl life. almost all his key aides are Jewish.
Liberal Jews want some kind of settlement. TGhey are sick and tired
of all the antisemitism generated by rightwing nuts in Israel and
the USA. As for me I say let Israel settle it's own accounts
without another unconstitutional penny from the USA. Let Israel be
Israel. Let the USA keep our troops and money home.
Occam's Tool| 8.18.11 @ 10:33AM
It's Jerusalem, Israel. Boy, that was tough. Next!
Mike Hawk| 8.18.11 @ 10:34AM
The Sate Dept is well suited to being located at Foggy Bottom
and things being what they are, Hildebeast has one of the broadest
of them.
Kingofthenet| 8.18.11 @ 10:42AM
Because THIEVES shouldn't be rewarded.
Paul Kotik| 8.18.11 @ 12:17PM
Agreed. Those bloody Arab conquerors who stormed into Jerusalem
over 1,000 years after King David sat on the throne there. Thieves,
they were and are. Armed robbers. They definitely should not be
rewarded.
Kingofthenet| 8.18.11 @ 1:52PM
Hate to tell you there was no King David or Solomon
either...
RCV| 8.18.11 @ 10:43PM
Only in modern Arab mythology ... Before the idea of a
"Palestinian" nationality was invented, even Arabs acknowledged the
existence and location of the Temple on the Mount.
And all Muslims would disagree with you about Solomon and David,
unless Allah was lying to them in the Holy Qur'an, when he said:
"We have sent revelations to you as We sent revelations to Noah and
the prophets after him; and We sent revelations to Abraham and
Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob, and their offspring, and to Jesus and
Job, and to Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and to David We gave the
Book of Psalms...". Qur'an, 4:163.
Kingofthenet| 8.18.11 @ 11:35PM
Dude, there was REAL empires than(Egyptian, Greek, Roman), very
advanced ones too? How come no mention of this Powerful Jewish
Empire, how come not a single brick? Sounds a lot like the Moses
story no?
Kingofthenet| 8.18.11 @ 11:44PM
The Egyptians ALONE have a unbroken 5,000 year old record, we
have Pyramids and massive works to indicate they were a powerful
Empire. But guess what no mention of this Jew Empire nearby, nor of
plagues, or Jew slaves leaving. If you want to say these Jew
'Kings' were some rich goat herder, fine but PLEASE let's not call
that a real KING.Why no positive excavation evidence?
Kingofthenet| 8.19.11 @ 12:47AM
What a Hebrew Army! Israel's armed might EIGHT times that of
Imperial Rome!
"And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the
king; and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men
that drew the sword; and the men of Judah five hundred thousand
men." – (2 Samuel 24.9)
(1 Chronicles 21:5 puts the number even higher!)
Rome, at the height of its power, defended the entire empire
with 28 legions of 6,000 troops.
Archologist have found evidence of David, or at least the "House
of David" in 2900 yo inscriptions. Try again.
And which part of your argument about thieves and land would not
make America illegitimate. We area settler nation with no ties to
the land. The same cannot be said for Jews in Israel. So you are
either an anti-American leftist or libertarian, or you are made mad
by antisemitism.
PS. Antisemitism refers only to Jews. Stop proving your
ignorance by ignoring the actual history of the term coined by
Wilhelm Marr.
RCV| 8.20.11 @ 11:53AM
He might also take a look at the recent National Geographic
article on the portion of Solomon's wall recently uncovered in
Jerusalem south of the Old City.
Jack in Wi.| 8.21.11 @ 11:17PM
Hi Ron: How goes it? Jerusalem is a holy city to Jews,
Christians and Muslims. The world does not recognize complete
Israeli control of the city. No matter how much money passes hands
in Washington the USA doesn't recognize Jerusalem as the capitol.
Jerusalem should be an open city run by an international
organization. Jerusalem belongs to the whole world ot just to a
small group of squabbling Jewish sects.
Ken (Old Texican)| 8.18.11 @ 11:40AM
Jay,
(smile), sometimes Jewish folks are slow learners.
During the 1930s they were slow to run like hell from Hitler.
In 2008, they voted for Obama.
Oh...they missed this too. Their Messiah came, and they missed
it.
It's because Jews follow The Ferengi Rules of Acquisition, they
feel like they can bargain with anyone with anything (Stolen
property)
Hitler wasn't interested in deals.
Oldefarte| 8.21.11 @ 2:42PM
Nor was he interested in 'THOU SHALT NOT KILL' !!!!!!!!!
What?| 8.18.11 @ 1:58PM
So tell me, are you (and your kids) American or Israeli? Make a
choice and live there. Immigrants are required to renounce their
citizenship to other countries, so why do you Jews expect to enjoy
U.S. citizenship yet also declare yourself Israeli. I'm amazed when
American Jews join the Israeli military, but avoid serving for the
U.S., the word treason comes to mind, but let's face it, in this
country Jews always get a pass. Don't get me wrong, I have great
respect for the Israeli military, they are among the best and
toughest in the world. But American Jews, like the author, are
two-faced opportunists that use their religion for
convienience.
RCV| 8.18.11 @ 4:08PM
Please...crawl back under that rock.
What?| 8.18.11 @ 5:47PM
So mature...understandable considering the post.
I have no issue with the capital of Israel being Jerusalem. It's
the idea that American Jews seem to feel they can belong to two
countries when...hmmm...no one else can. Let's see, can a Canadian
immigrant join the Canadian army and remain an American...I doubt
it...but Jews can. Someone tell me why. what should occur is that
if you join the IDF, you don't come back, because you made a choice
as to which country you owe alligiance to.
Occam's Tool| 8.18.11 @ 7:08PM
Dear What?
Yes they can do that. One can also be a dual citizen of New
Zealand and the US, like the Minister's nephew enrolled at West
Point. Mickey Marcus was a hero to two separate countries,
incidentally. And you apparently have never read about the life of
John Paul Jones, have you?
Occam's Tool| 8.18.11 @ 7:11PM
RCV is Anglican, What.
RCV| 8.18.11 @ 10:18PM
And at one time I had Irish citizenship and an Irish passport
because my grandparents had been born there, and it made
intra-European travel easier.
RCV| 8.18.11 @ 10:21PM
Nor did I have to hide the fact that I had two passports - it
was perfectly legal under US law. The US embassy in Dublin helped
me get certified copies of my grandparents' Irish births.
Occam's Tool| 8.18.11 @ 7:06PM
Through yet? I'm an American, not an Israeli.
King, go ahead and support the beheaders of children.
Occam's Tool| 8.18.11 @ 7:10PM
Dear What?
Serving in the US military is voluntary. Why would serving in
the IDF be treason?
Many people hold dual citizenship in many countries. I. at one
time, was a NZ permanent resident AND an US citizen.
What?| 8.18.11 @ 7:36PM
What does a voluntary military have to do with this. My point is
simple you join another countries military and you've violated your
citizenship...unless your Jewish, then it's just fine.
You can have dual citizenship because NZ allows it..NOT the
U.S.
I'm and immigrant myself and can also get dual citizenship,
because my home country allows it. Not the U.S. I would have to
hide the fact that I have two passports. What do you think the
result would be if I joined their military? Everybody would be just
fine with that? BS
Based on the responses I see, you're all OK if an Iranian
immigrant joins the Iranian army, he can keep his U.S.
citizenship...or Cuba, or China, or Viet Nam, or North Korea?
RCV| 8.18.11 @ 10:25PM
No, because those countries are hostile to US interests; Israel
is an ally. Lots of Americans volunteered to serve in the Canadian,
British and French armies before the US entered WWII, and did not
lose their US citizenship. Other Americans fought in foreign
battalions for the Spanish Republic (Hemingway among them) against
Franco in the Spanish Civil War
What?| 8.19.11 @ 12:58AM
That was my point. The people that you cite never became
Canadian, British, or French citizens. They just wanted to fight. I
give up...Might as well call Israel the 51st state. It would solve
so many issues.
RCV| 8.19.11 @ 11:07AM
The reality is, you just don't like Jews.
What?| 8.19.11 @ 3:19PM
Not true at all, some of my best friends are Jews. But then they
aren't fake Israelis, like certain American Jews like the author
who use their religion for advantage, or silly outrage.
Seems you never get my points...just go straight to calling me a
"hater" as I said before, I give up.
Oldefarte| 8.21.11 @ 2:56PM
Am I included in your category '.... who use their religion for
advantage, or silly outrage...' because I [as a Catholic] despise
the inhumane bastardly brutality of Italy, Germany, Europe and
middle eastern countries who were/are anti-Semitic in their
policies and attitudes?????
Jack in Wi.| 8.21.11 @ 11:10PM
I as a Catholic hate the insane brutality of Jewish Communists.
Who helped kill 50 million Christians in Eastern Europe. Before
Hitler ever got a vote in Germany millions of Christians had been
killed in Russia. The Jewish historian Richard Pipes has stated
that Hitler was imposible without Communism. I add that Communism
was impossible without Jewish Communists. They were the fire eaters
of the Revolution.Communism caused a tremendous amount of
antisemitism. Hitler was the blowback from Communism. Radical
Zionism is causing a worldwide rise in antisemitism just like
Communism did.
Oldefarte| 8.21.11 @ 3:29PM
You are incorrect in that '.....Oran's Dictionary of the Law
(1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a
foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure
the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered
treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if
no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour....';
none of which you describe. Instead of 'treason', possibly the
word[s] YOU should consider are ANTI-SEMETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RCV| 8.18.11 @ 4:17PM
Israel, like every nation, has the right to designate its own
capital. The Knesset and other Israeli governmental offices are
located in the western portion of Jerusalem, which has been part of
Israel since the first day of its independence in 1948. People can
argue all they want about the status of the Old City or the Jewish
settlements in the formerly Arab suburbs east of the city proper --
although Israel will not, and should not, give up an inch of those
areas for security reasons -- but Israel's functioning capital is
and always has been in Jerusalem.
Ken (Old Texican)| 8.18.11 @ 5:16PM
RCV,
well spoken. I think this is the third time I've agreed with you in
two years. heh.
Conrad Spiracy| 8.19.11 @ 10:59AM
Ken,
I kept having to rub my eyes. I couldn't believe it myself.
heh, back atcha
Herb| 8.18.11 @ 6:43AM
"If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, may my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth, may my right hand forget its cunning..."
And that's what Foggy Bottom has been doing since oh, say 1948.
Alan Brooks| 8.18.11 @ 9:01PM
"Why is most everyone -- starting with the White House and State Department -- terrified to call it Jerusalem, Israel?"
Because Israel is heavily outnumbered while America is heavily in debt?
Tomas| 8.19.11 @ 7:09AM
:-)
Purpleguy| 8.18.11 @ 7:21AM
"In this reading, Rome represents decadence and Jerusalem represents virtue and not only shall the twain never meet, they cannot thrive simultaneously." - Hogwash. As is this stretch to make an issue out of a diplomatic protocol.
Appleby| 8.18.11 @ 7:31AM
Obviously you still cling to the hypothesis that anything is good if it angers your parents.
If you can read, I recommend a science fiction story called Jerusalem Fire. If you can think, it will give you fodder for same.
I recall my Daddy remarking that those who rely on international polling results to decide what exists and what doesnt would be shocked to discover that the majority of the world, if polled, would deny the existence of the State of New York.
Alan Brooks| 8.18.11 @ 9:04PM
"would be shocked to discover that the majority of the world, if polled, would deny the existence of the State of New York."
Unfortunately, a billion or so deny Israel's existence; it is the Zionist entity for them-
and such the whole point of all this.
Oldefarte| 8.18.11 @ 5:39PM
Stoop lower, the current administration is SHORT!!!!!!!
John786| 8.18.11 @ 7:34AM
A Palestinian would not get very far in Isreal trying to register their child as born in Palestine. Jeruslam is not recognised under international law as being part of the state of Isreal. But, when have international boundaries stopped the zionists. The zionist project is unwinding for those with eyes to see.
David W| 8.18.11 @ 8:58AM
International boundaries obviously don't stop Jew haters (or is that Judeophobes).
John786| 8.18.11 @ 9:08AM
So stating international boundaries now makes you a Jew hater. zionists especially of the christain variety are the real anti-Semites. Oh, the irony of it all. Appologies, to Americans I know irony is not your strong point.
Oldefarte| 8.18.11 @ 5:41PM
Was your father's name by chance ADOLPH?????
Tomas| 8.19.11 @ 7:08AM
"zionists especially of the christain variety are the real anti-Semites."
You're going to have to explain this one, Einstein.
-
Dan Hirsch| 8.18.11 @ 10:04AM
Well, international boundaries certainly haven't stop the Islamicists or the Communists, either!
Dan Hirsch| 8.18.11 @ 10:05AM
John786,
Are you really that bad at spelling?
Paul Kotik| 8.18.11 @ 12:14PM
Betcha John786 is under the age of 15...
Ken (Old Texican)| 8.18.11 @ 5:12PM
Yes John (Muhammed) is that bad at spelling. He is an illiterate Palestinian.
John786| 8.18.11 @ 11:49PM
Hello ken. Yes I'm a supporter of palestinian rights but I'm not Palestinian. There are many ignorant supporters of Isreal who arn't Jewish. You are one of them. I hope you get raptured.
CESC| 8.18.11 @ 3:15PM
Let's see...
Israel is attacked on all sides only moments after being officially recognized by the world body (UN). While defending themselves from the agressors, they pushed the aggressors across the official border. Again in 1967, Israel is attacked without warning and they again oush back the agressors. This time they keep the land that they aquired as the spoils of war. A war they did not start or desire.
Therefore, you simple-brained islamofascist, Jerusalem is indeed the capital of Israel, whether you personally accept it or not. Facts just don't mix with your simple mind. Go back to Gaza and live in their self-created destitution .
LiveFreeOrDie| 8.18.11 @ 7:25PM
"Jeruslam is not recognised under international law as being part of the state of Isreal."
Kare to pruvide a sorce for this rubish?
Hillel| 8.18.11 @ 8:49AM
Surprisingly enough John 786 is not incorrect as we chabadniks know that the Messiah is soon coming and will straighten everything out!
JP| 8.18.11 @ 9:02AM
A few years ago it was chic to refer to Jerusalem by its Muslim name, Al Quds. I think it was John Brennnn who did it, and he was praised by all the Multi-Culti fetishists.
John786| 8.18.11 @ 9:10AM
It is always And will always be alQuds- the holy. Next year in AlQuds inshallah.
Occam's Tool| 8.18.11 @ 10:35AM
John786. Muhammed was never in Jerusalem, anus.
Oldefarte| 8.18.11 @ 5:43PM
OT, maybe there's a Jerusalem, Georgia perhaps???????
John786| 8.18.11 @ 11:53PM
Israa & miraaj you ignoramus. God gave all of Palestine to the Muslims. It says so in the holy scriptures. Touché sir.
CESC| 8.19.11 @ 11:02AM
The Old Testament precedes the koran by over a mellenium. The historical accounts, supported by relics and many other recorded accounts, make it very clear that the Lord God gave the promised land to the Israelites. Solomon's temple lies beneath the Dome of the Rock. How can a building be under a structure unless it was there first?
It is quite clear that by any historical measurement, the Jews lived in and developed the long before the mohammedites. I am sorry that historical facts are so inconvenient to a mind as limited as yours, john786.
Skippy| 8.19.11 @ 4:05PM
He's a Muslim.
You expected logic or honesty?
Jack in Wi.| 8.21.11 @ 11:43PM
Abraham was an Iraqi. He fathered both the Arabs and Jews. Joseph married an Egyptian, and was mummified in the Egyptian religion. Moses was an Egyptian married to an Arab. A Cannanite prostitute Rehab was the ancestor of David, Soloman, and Jesus. Samson liked Philistine girls.
David had a huge harem full of all kinds of ladies. Solomon had an even bigger Harem fullof women from all around the Middle East. The 10 lost tribes were never lost. They just mixed into the populations of the other surrounding tribes. Some of them became Samaritans. Ruth was a gentile women who saved a lot of Jews. Herod the Great was of Arab descent and rebuilt the Temple and built the Wailing Wall. So all those Jews are banging there heads against a wall built by an Arab.
Now the Israeli historian Sclomo Sand has written a book called The Invention Of The Jewish People. Dr Sand's book was the number 1 best seller in Israel for weeks. In this book Dr. Sand proves what every student of issue already knew. That the populations of the Middle East haven't changed much in thousands of years. By genetic and historical testing the people with the most genes closest to Abraham are the Palistinians. The Jews from the Dispora have mixed with many peoples over the centuries. It is time to sit down and make peace. The world can't carry this conflict on it's back anymore.
Oldefarte| 8.21.11 @ 2:39PM
And HE also gave the twin towers to the citizens of NYC, dumbars!!!!!!!!
Occam's Tool| 8.18.11 @ 7:05PM
In your dreams, child rapist boy.
ncatty| 8.18.11 @ 9:43AM
Mr. Homnick expects the three jewish members of the Supreme Court to support his position because they are jewish? Really?
Dan Hirsch| 8.18.11 @ 10:07AM
Liberals expect, count on, liberal justices deciding based on their liberalism.
Really, they do. Both the expecting and the deciding.
Or are you still in Oz?
Don't tread on me...
ncatty| 8.18.11 @ 10:12AM
He was not talking about liberals. Read the 6th paragraph of the article.
shoebox57| 8.18.11 @ 10:09AM
Jerusalem is the capital city of Israel. Possession is 100% of the law.
Michael Tomlinson| 8.18.11 @ 10:11AM
Obama, Democrats and Ron Paul are appeasers of Muslim jihadist and Jew haters (some are self-hating Jews).
Jack in Wi.| 8.21.11 @ 11:23PM
Obama has been owned by the Jewish branch of the chicago machine his whole politiacl life. almost all his key aides are Jewish. Liberal Jews want some kind of settlement. TGhey are sick and tired of all the antisemitism generated by rightwing nuts in Israel and the USA. As for me I say let Israel settle it's own accounts without another unconstitutional penny from the USA. Let Israel be Israel. Let the USA keep our troops and money home.
Occam's Tool| 8.18.11 @ 10:33AM
It's Jerusalem, Israel. Boy, that was tough. Next!
Mike Hawk| 8.18.11 @ 10:34AM
The Sate Dept is well suited to being located at Foggy Bottom and things being what they are, Hildebeast has one of the broadest of them.
Kingofthenet| 8.18.11 @ 10:42AM
Because THIEVES shouldn't be rewarded.
Paul Kotik| 8.18.11 @ 12:17PM
Agreed. Those bloody Arab conquerors who stormed into Jerusalem over 1,000 years after King David sat on the throne there. Thieves, they were and are. Armed robbers. They definitely should not be rewarded.
Kingofthenet| 8.18.11 @ 1:52PM
Hate to tell you there was no King David or Solomon either...
RCV| 8.18.11 @ 10:43PM
Only in modern Arab mythology ... Before the idea of a "Palestinian" nationality was invented, even Arabs acknowledged the existence and location of the Temple on the Mount.
And all Muslims would disagree with you about Solomon and David, unless Allah was lying to them in the Holy Qur'an, when he said: "We have sent revelations to you as We sent revelations to Noah and the prophets after him; and We sent revelations to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob, and their offspring, and to Jesus and Job, and to Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and to David We gave the Book of Psalms...". Qur'an, 4:163.
Kingofthenet| 8.18.11 @ 11:35PM
Dude, there was REAL empires than(Egyptian, Greek, Roman), very advanced ones too? How come no mention of this Powerful Jewish Empire, how come not a single brick? Sounds a lot like the Moses story no?
Kingofthenet| 8.18.11 @ 11:44PM
The Egyptians ALONE have a unbroken 5,000 year old record, we have Pyramids and massive works to indicate they were a powerful Empire. But guess what no mention of this Jew Empire nearby, nor of plagues, or Jew slaves leaving. If you want to say these Jew 'Kings' were some rich goat herder, fine but PLEASE let's not call that a real KING.Why no positive excavation evidence?
Kingofthenet| 8.19.11 @ 12:47AM
What a Hebrew Army! Israel's armed might EIGHT times that of Imperial Rome!
"And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king; and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword; and the men of Judah five hundred thousand men." – (2 Samuel 24.9)
(1 Chronicles 21:5 puts the number even higher!)
Rome, at the height of its power, defended the entire empire with 28 legions of 6,000 troops.
Ron Lewenberg| 8.20.11 @ 12:17AM
Archologist have found evidence of David, or at least the "House of David" in 2900 yo inscriptions. Try again.
And which part of your argument about thieves and land would not make America illegitimate. We area settler nation with no ties to the land. The same cannot be said for Jews in Israel. So you are either an anti-American leftist or libertarian, or you are made mad by antisemitism.
PS. Antisemitism refers only to Jews. Stop proving your ignorance by ignoring the actual history of the term coined by Wilhelm Marr.
RCV| 8.20.11 @ 11:53AM
He might also take a look at the recent National Geographic article on the portion of Solomon's wall recently uncovered in Jerusalem south of the Old City.
Jack in Wi.| 8.21.11 @ 11:17PM
Hi Ron: How goes it? Jerusalem is a holy city to Jews, Christians and Muslims. The world does not recognize complete Israeli control of the city. No matter how much money passes hands in Washington the USA doesn't recognize Jerusalem as the capitol. Jerusalem should be an open city run by an international organization. Jerusalem belongs to the whole world ot just to a small group of squabbling Jewish sects.
Ken (Old Texican)| 8.18.11 @ 11:40AM
Jay,
(smile), sometimes Jewish folks are slow learners.
During the 1930s they were slow to run like hell from Hitler.
In 2008, they voted for Obama.
Oh...they missed this too. Their Messiah came, and they missed it.
Fortunately, they have one more chance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeALTHQQAWo
Kingofthenet| 8.18.11 @ 1:56PM
It's because Jews follow The Ferengi Rules of Acquisition, they feel like they can bargain with anyone with anything (Stolen property)
Hitler wasn't interested in deals.
Oldefarte| 8.21.11 @ 2:42PM
Nor was he interested in 'THOU SHALT NOT KILL' !!!!!!!!!
What?| 8.18.11 @ 1:58PM
So tell me, are you (and your kids) American or Israeli? Make a choice and live there. Immigrants are required to renounce their citizenship to other countries, so why do you Jews expect to enjoy U.S. citizenship yet also declare yourself Israeli. I'm amazed when American Jews join the Israeli military, but avoid serving for the U.S., the word treason comes to mind, but let's face it, in this country Jews always get a pass. Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for the Israeli military, they are among the best and toughest in the world. But American Jews, like the author, are two-faced opportunists that use their religion for convienience.
RCV| 8.18.11 @ 4:08PM
Please...crawl back under that rock.
What?| 8.18.11 @ 5:47PM
So mature...understandable considering the post.
I have no issue with the capital of Israel being Jerusalem. It's the idea that American Jews seem to feel they can belong to two countries when...hmmm...no one else can. Let's see, can a Canadian immigrant join the Canadian army and remain an American...I doubt it...but Jews can. Someone tell me why. what should occur is that if you join the IDF, you don't come back, because you made a choice as to which country you owe alligiance to.
Occam's Tool| 8.18.11 @ 7:08PM
Dear What?
Yes they can do that. One can also be a dual citizen of New Zealand and the US, like the Minister's nephew enrolled at West Point. Mickey Marcus was a hero to two separate countries, incidentally. And you apparently have never read about the life of John Paul Jones, have you?
Occam's Tool| 8.18.11 @ 7:11PM
RCV is Anglican, What.
RCV| 8.18.11 @ 10:18PM
And at one time I had Irish citizenship and an Irish passport because my grandparents had been born there, and it made intra-European travel easier.
RCV| 8.18.11 @ 10:21PM
Nor did I have to hide the fact that I had two passports - it was perfectly legal under US law. The US embassy in Dublin helped me get certified copies of my grandparents' Irish births.
Occam's Tool| 8.18.11 @ 7:06PM
Through yet? I'm an American, not an Israeli.
King, go ahead and support the beheaders of children.
Occam's Tool| 8.18.11 @ 7:10PM
Dear What?
Serving in the US military is voluntary. Why would serving in the IDF be treason?
Many people hold dual citizenship in many countries. I. at one time, was a NZ permanent resident AND an US citizen.
What?| 8.18.11 @ 7:36PM
What does a voluntary military have to do with this. My point is simple you join another countries military and you've violated your citizenship...unless your Jewish, then it's just fine.
You can have dual citizenship because NZ allows it..NOT the U.S.
I'm and immigrant myself and can also get dual citizenship, because my home country allows it. Not the U.S. I would have to hide the fact that I have two passports. What do you think the result would be if I joined their military? Everybody would be just fine with that? BS
Based on the responses I see, you're all OK if an Iranian immigrant joins the Iranian army, he can keep his U.S. citizenship...or Cuba, or China, or Viet Nam, or North Korea?
RCV| 8.18.11 @ 10:25PM
No, because those countries are hostile to US interests; Israel is an ally. Lots of Americans volunteered to serve in the Canadian, British and French armies before the US entered WWII, and did not lose their US citizenship. Other Americans fought in foreign battalions for the Spanish Republic (Hemingway among them) against Franco in the Spanish Civil War
What?| 8.19.11 @ 12:58AM
That was my point. The people that you cite never became Canadian, British, or French citizens. They just wanted to fight. I give up...Might as well call Israel the 51st state. It would solve so many issues.
RCV| 8.19.11 @ 11:07AM
The reality is, you just don't like Jews.
What?| 8.19.11 @ 3:19PM
Not true at all, some of my best friends are Jews. But then they aren't fake Israelis, like certain American Jews like the author who use their religion for advantage, or silly outrage.
Seems you never get my points...just go straight to calling me a "hater" as I said before, I give up.
Oldefarte| 8.21.11 @ 2:56PM
Am I included in your category '.... who use their religion for advantage, or silly outrage...' because I [as a Catholic] despise the inhumane bastardly brutality of Italy, Germany, Europe and middle eastern countries who were/are anti-Semitic in their policies and attitudes?????
Jack in Wi.| 8.21.11 @ 11:10PM
I as a Catholic hate the insane brutality of Jewish Communists. Who helped kill 50 million Christians in Eastern Europe. Before Hitler ever got a vote in Germany millions of Christians had been killed in Russia. The Jewish historian Richard Pipes has stated that Hitler was imposible without Communism. I add that Communism was impossible without Jewish Communists. They were the fire eaters of the Revolution.Communism caused a tremendous amount of antisemitism. Hitler was the blowback from Communism. Radical Zionism is causing a worldwide rise in antisemitism just like Communism did.
Oldefarte| 8.21.11 @ 3:29PM
You are incorrect in that '.....Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour....'; none of which you describe. Instead of 'treason', possibly the word[s] YOU should consider are ANTI-SEMETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RCV| 8.18.11 @ 4:17PM
Israel, like every nation, has the right to designate its own capital. The Knesset and other Israeli governmental offices are located in the western portion of Jerusalem, which has been part of Israel since the first day of its independence in 1948. People can argue all they want about the status of the Old City or the Jewish settlements in the formerly Arab suburbs east of the city proper -- although Israel will not, and should not, give up an inch of those areas for security reasons -- but Israel's functioning capital is and always has been in Jerusalem.
Ken (Old Texican)| 8.18.11 @ 5:16PM
RCV,
well spoken. I think this is the third time I've agreed with you in two years. heh.
Conrad Spiracy| 8.19.11 @ 10:59AM
Ken,
I kept having to rub my eyes. I couldn't believe it myself.
heh, back atcha
RCV, we'll convert you yet!
Con
Granny Jan| 8.18.11 @ 6:47PM
I did the mini-viral video (over 35,000 views) on the WH scrubbing their website. It's poignant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLe_p_OwjpE
RCV| 8.18.11 @ 10:25PM
It's a start, Ken.
Mike| 8.19.11 @ 4:39AM
As is this stretch to make an issue out of a diplomatic protocol.
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Jesse| 8.19.11 @ 4:39AM
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Margie| 8.19.11 @ 2:18PM
RCV's always been a staunch supporter of Israel here.
What's that saying about a stopped watch being right how many times?
LOL.
Good posts, RCV.
Clint| 8.19.11 @ 4:28PM
Bigot Margie the Hater.
RCV| 8.19.11 @ 5:14PM
Thanks, Margie, although being called a broken watch wasn't exactly the highest of compliments! :D.
I'm not sure if the post below is the real Clint, or the faux Clint, since the posts are indistinquishable.
Oldefarte| 8.21.11 @ 3:00PM
' indistinquishable'.....No doubt like between SHITTIN & POOTIN!!!!!!