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A Further Perspective
The New York Times Finds Its Poster Boy for Hate
So now the Norway terrorist was a “right-wing, Christian” extremist?
When it came to light that Anders Behring Breivik was responsible for the heinous acts of terrorism in Norway — which, as of this writing, claimed the lives of 76 people last Friday — the New York Times wasted no time in putting forward a narrative.
Consider a few of these headlines from The Gray Lady:
“Oslo
suspect wrote of fear of Islam and plan for
war”
“Norway
Attacks Put Spotlight on Rise of Right-Wing Sentiment in
Europe”
“Killings in Norway Spotlight Anti-Muslim Thought in U.S.”
The Times notes how Breivik followed writers who were critical of Muslim jihadists and their influence, most notably Robert Spencer. The article, written by Scott Shane, suggests that Spencer’s writings and those of others “indirectly fostered the crimes in Norway.” But as Mark Steyn so pointedly asked, “So, if a blonde blue-eyed Aryan Scandinavian kills dozens of other blonde blue-eyed Aryan Scandinavians, that’s now an ‘Islamophobic’ mass murder?” Steyn further notes, “As far as we know, not a single Muslim was among the victims.” But facts be damned. The New York Times has a narrative it must pursue.
Shane’s article also resuscitates the infamous 2009 Department of Homeland Security report which claimed that the combination of the recession and the election of Barack Obama as President would foment right-wing violence in this country. Despite having no evidence to support its assertion, the report repeatedly warned that “returning military veterans” were susceptible to being recruited to unleash another Oklahoma City. Amidst an uproar, the report was subsequently withdrawn by Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano. Despite this report being disavowed, the New York Times is clearly pulling out all the stops on this story.
John Guardiano, my colleague from The American Spectator, also cites a couple of New York Times headlines — “As Horrors Emerge, Norway Charges Christian Extremist,” and “Right-Wing Extremist Is Charged in Norway.” Guardiano notes the latter headline was amended from “Christian Extremist Is Charged in Norway.” He writes, “That’s better, but still not quite right.”
Well, I think you get the idea. But now let’s consider these headlines from the New York Times in the wake of the Fort Hood Massacre in November 2009:
“Army Doctor
Held in Ft. Hood
Rampage”
It is worth noting that the stories which followed these headlines did not identify Hasan as a Muslim. Indeed, the first article which cites Hasan’s military records notes he had “no religious preference.”
But this was perhaps the New York Times’ most egregious headline where it concerned Fort Hood:
“Little Evidence of Terror Plot in Base Killings”
This was the story that attempted to put forth the narrative that Hasan was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder after counseling veterans from Afghanistan and Iraq. The New York Times was essentially touting the line, “Terror plot? What terror plot?”
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Jack London| 7.26.11 @ 6:55AM
Come on - if this killer isn't on the far right then my name's really Jack London.
Brubaker| 7.26.11 @ 7:07AM
This killer is cut from the same cloth as Jared Laughner; he's insane.
Harry the Horrible| 7.26.11 @ 9:13AM
Neah.
More like Ted Kaczynski. Loughner really was a lone nut. This guy is something scarier.
Gary Rumain | 7.26.11 @ 9:49AM
He's nothing like Kaczynski. Kaczynski was a neo-Liddite. Andrew Berwick understood technology and knew how to use it.
Harry the Horrible| 7.26.11 @ 11:04AM
Yes, but Loughner was maniacal and off his meds. Berwick is starkly sane - but evil. Same as Kaczynski.
masly | 7.26.11 @ 12:30PM
The only rational avenue for effecting change of public attitudes is through free political elections. These murderers/killers are simply/sadly mentally deranged animals that have obviously lost control of their mental senses.
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JP| 7.26.11 @ 7:32AM
The man is obviously insane. But if you demand to put a political label on his insanity, the Nordic lunatic is more in tune to the anarchism of Ted K. , the infamous Unabomber.
Many people make the mistake of affixing US political labels on Europeans. But, in Europe almost everyone is a Statist and a Socialist. I should also add that almost everyone in Europe is either agnostic or athieist. Christianity has no standing in Europe's political, social, or economic battles. Less than 5% of Europeans attend church or Mass; fewer still abide by the dogmas, traditions, or strictures of Catholicism or Protestantism. This is even more so in Scandanavia.
The big battles between Socialism and Free Market Laissez Faire Capitialism were decided 90 years ago. The Left won bigtime. Even the so-called Far Right believes in state control of most facets of a person's life. And no conservative in Europe would even think about running on a "tea party" platform.
So, where does that put the "Right"? Pretty much nowhere; no politicians since the late Bavarian govenor Franz Josef Strauss ran on a platform of strong, traditional Christian identity, free markets, and nativist populism. Strauss died over 20 years ago. But his form of politics was over 20 years before that.
What is going on now in Europe is a pull back from the radical mutlticulti philosophy of the Far Left. But today's "nationalists" are no fascists. They are all Socialist who wish to revert to the days where socialism didn't mean losing one's cultural identity; they wish to revert to the socialism of the 1950s-1980s, when socialism was concerned with jobs and standards of living -that is bread and butter issues (Good Luck with that).
But I don't think our Nordic terrorist ever gave such thought much time. The insane rarely do.
Gary Rumain | 7.26.11 @ 9:51AM
Kaxzynski has an IQ of 167. What's yours? A lot lower I expect. So by what reasoning can a dumbarse like yourself dare to claim someone smarter to be insane?
JP| 7.26.11 @ 10:08AM
One would think someone as enlightened as yourself not conflate intelligence with menta, pyschological, or spiritual stability. And if you read my post close enough you would have noted that I was speaking of Breivik's lucidity, not the Unabomber. Ted K. isn't insane; he's just an evil Progressive idealogue (in the same vein of a Goebbels or a Heydrich).
Michael Tomlinson| 7.26.11 @ 11:05AM
JP good posts.
Anthony| 7.26.11 @ 12:34PM
My goodness, how many examples of people with high intellect and dementia do we need?
You can throw a dart at anybody at the NY Times to demonstrate that point, or the entire LSM for that matter.
Paul Krugman and Algore are the poster children for what happens when one stops taking one's meds, regardless of their "intellect".
However, in Algore's case, it's not sharp instruments that one needs to keep away from this patheric soul, it's polar bears.
As for Krugman, alas, the man is too far gone....there is no hope.
Margie| 7.26.11 @ 1:51PM
So now Ted K isn't insane. He's "just" a Progressive idealogue. LOL!
Drunken Sailor| 7.26.11 @ 11:40AM
Since when has IQ been tied to sanity? One can still be a genius and insane just as one can be of average IQ and recognize insane actions.
DaveD| 7.26.11 @ 12:04PM
What relationship is there between IQ and insanity? Are only morons capable of being insane? (Oops, politically incorrect there.) What makes you think that intelligence precludes insanity?
Ragnar Knudsen| 7.26.11 @ 12:10PM
Duuuhhhhh !
At least JP knows a Neo-Luddite from a "Neo-Liddite" Mr. IQ.
W| 7.26.11 @ 2:13PM
Kazynski was reading Algore's books, that alone qualifies him as insane,
N Rota| 7.26.11 @ 8:54AM
Right-Wing Christian Extremist? Yep, that's what he is, so deal with it.
PaulyD| 7.26.11 @ 10:54AM
Well, the Norwegians are going to deal with it. In their Left-wing liberal way. Maximum penalty he can get is 21 years in prison. Rather ironic, I think. Perhaps he knew that going in?
RCV| 7.26.11 @ 11:18AM
But, under Norwegian law, he can be held indefinitely at the end of the 21 year sentence if he is judged "a danger to society".
BackToBasics| 7.26.11 @ 2:45PM
I don't think he will make it to 21 years in confinement. They probably have a few Muslims in prison over there. After some time has elapsed so as not to arouse suspicion, he will probably be placed conveniently near them and they will wait for the right moment or be given the opportunity for it.
Will| 7.30.11 @ 8:30PM
I'd have thought he'd be murdered by any norwegian prisoner, given that he just massacred 70 children
Ragnar Knudsen| 7.26.11 @ 12:14PM
We tried to trade him to the Muslim Extremists, but all their best players are dead.
Jack in Wi.| 7.27.11 @ 12:35AM
He is no Christian but he seems to be deluded and a follower of Neo conservative anti muslim screeds. Real conservatives should not be tared with this guys beliefs. Most real conservatives hate war and violence and want an end to this endless warmongering of the neo-conservatives. It is bankrupting the country. It also doesn't work. Ten years of wars have made hundreds of Muslim exremists into many thousands.
Aces and Eights| 7.26.11 @ 10:52AM
So, what IS your real name?
Jack London| 7.26.11 @ 11:11AM
Well, it's not Aces and Eights.
George S| 7.26.11 @ 11:53AM
Jack, you're not suggesting that if he is from the "far right" then that would be a Kristallnacht excuse to round up those whose political beliefs are deemed -- by people just as yourself -- "a little to far to the right"? If that is an unfair characterization, then what is the point of the NYT article and your post?
Now you may say, yeah but what about Maj Hasan and painting all Muslims as terrorists? Well, if sane people believe it is the moral duty to convert or kill the infidel, then that has to factor into the overall strategic defense of potential threats. So far, there is not one writing by Jefferson, Franklin, St Peter, St Paul, St Mark or Jesus that foments violence in furtherance of an ideal. Moreover, there are very few (if any) on "the far right" who are shaking their heads in silent assent nor are there governments willing to give asylum to such acts. Good 'ole Liberalism does give such asylum to leftist terrorists -- see Bill Ayres and then check out the article here on the SEIU and their official 'tactics'. I am curious to get your take on that.
Jack London| 7.26.11 @ 12:09PM
Well, if you were in Europe I think you'd be correct to see the far right/neo-Nazis as a far bigger continuing threat than radical Islam, which in case is radicalized not as you seem to think primarily by religion but by Mid-East politics. I don't think religion as such has much do to with this, apart from its overall cultural and historic afiliation. And as for Christians being all innocent, who massacred the Muslims in Bosnia, and who massacred the Palestinians in the Sabra and Shatila camps in Beirut?
And Glenn Beck is urging us on against the Hitler Youth in the Norway camp - if you think trade unions are operating at this level then you are as demented as him.
Aces and Eights| 7.26.11 @ 2:01PM
"Well, if you were in Europe I think you'd be correct to see the far right/neo-Nazis as a far bigger continuing threat than radical Islam..."
This is ludicrous. Unworthy of response. Get a job, dupe.
Jack London| 7.26.11 @ 3:02PM
OK - have a look at this, which is a familiar sort of item in Europe and nearby. Then tell me far right violence isn't a problem there.
'A court in Moscow has sentenced five members of a neo-Nazi gang to life in prison for the racially motivated murders of 27 people.
Several other members of the outlawed Nationalist Socialist Society were also found guilty - including one woman - and given jail terms of up to 23 years.
The gang targeted Muslims and dark-skinned migrants during 2007-8.'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14122320
American hero| 7.26.11 @ 3:14PM
Russia is not Europe. It may be partially in Europe, but it is a different world there. They have an entirely different system of government there. We're talking about the EU in this case, not the FSU. The Right is trying to save Europe from the Left's long term plans to destroy European cultures as distinct identities.
Jack London | 7.26.11 @ 4:12PM
'The Right is trying to save Europe from the Left's long term plans to destroy European cultures as distinct identities.'
You don't know what you're talking about unless you're in favor of the poison of France's National Front or the many neo-Nazi groups in Germany, where their violence has increased greatly in the last few years. Friends of yours, are they?
Cpm| 7.26.11 @ 6:49PM
I think the operative words were "the outlawed Nationalist Socialist Society".
John Navratil| 7.26.11 @ 6:07PM
Jack London,
As someone was has lived in Europe (England and Germany) and worked in France and Norway and has family in England an the Czech Republic whose last visit was last year, I can say that MY observation is not yours. There are a few radical neo-Nazis who make the news periodically, but apart from their own fevered imaginings of restoring the Reich, the constitute just about no threat.
Bydand76| 7.26.11 @ 9:56PM
Jack,
I would also further suggest that Neo Nazi's are not a far right orginization as you suggest Mr. London.
Do some research before you start painting because they are SOCIALISTS!! '
National Socialist Party ! = NAZI"s
You own bigotry blinds your intelligence Jack Lond and that is about as stupid of a name as I have heard on AS.
Alpha 2-2 OUT!
Pro Libertate!
Jack London| 7.27.11 @ 5:06AM
'There are a few radical neo-Nazis who make the news periodically, but apart from their own fevered imaginings of restoring the Reich, the constitute just about no threat.'
This is nonsense - in many parts of Europe far right parties have elected representatives, including in the European Parliament, and the level of underlying violence and vandalism - eg desecration of Jewish cemeteries, soccer violence and attacks on Muslims - have shown sharp rises in recent years.
I go to Europe a lot too and have family/friends there - you need to wake up.
LiveFreeOrDie| 7.27.11 @ 10:03AM
You offer one isolated incident that didn't even happen in Europe while ignoring the numerous bombings and attacks by muslim terrorists. Is there no end to your idiocy?
Jack von Bauer| 7.26.11 @ 7:04AM
Apart from the man himself of course, isn't it equally fair to say that THE NEW YORK TIMES AND LIBERALS are responsible for this nutjob?
1. Despite all evidence to the contrary, the LIBERAL MIND REFUSES TO ACCEPT that the dominant force behind international terrorism is ISLAMIC inspired radicals.
2. In addition to that, liberal newspapers such as the NEW YORK TIMES are mired in POLITICALLY CORRECT SPEAK. They seek to QUASH debate and silence opposition to their MULTI-CULTURAL AGENDA.
The result of these two agendas is:
A. An utter refusal to acknowledge and write about he threat posed by Islam to our liberal western philosophy and political thought, and...
B. A never ceasing meme to demonize those who express their alarm at the spread of theocratic Islam, backed by an armed wing of global terrorism...
Which inevitably leads to
3. Unstable people DRIVEN MAD by their inability to get a reasonable hearing. Not only that, they are insulted and mocked by the elites who reserve for themselves the right of deciding what is permitted in speech.
Therefore unstable people feel forced to resort to extraordinary measures to be heard.
Leftist have to agree with that -- after all, that's the "excuse" they give Palestinian entity terrorists.
All because of arrogant LIBERAL ELITES, such as those in rags, like the NEW YORK TIMES.
Gary Rumain | 7.26.11 @ 9:55AM
Well argued.
Lately, I've been considering the libtards and arselifters (I've seen photos of them in Yemen and Libya holding up pictures) wearing T-shirts of Che or holding up photos of him. Why do they hero worship a mass murdering psychopath?
If people were to start wearing T-shirts with photos of Andrew Berwick on them, how would these same libtards react?
TheRightIsAnythingBut| 7.26.11 @ 5:44PM
Uh, actually Che Guevara was pretty much a failure in the whole mass murder thing. In fact, he was pretty pathetic as a guerilla. He only grew in stature and hero worship worthiness after he was killed.
And who is Andrew Berwick? You're such anglophiles you have to change a Norwegian name to something more comfortingly "normal"?
Gary Rumain | 7.28.11 @ 9:31AM
Che is documented as a torturer in Cuba who personally killed 180 people -
http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm
Andrew Berwick is the Anglicised version of Breivik's own name as chosen by him. Its the one he used on his Manifesto. You would know that had you bothered to check. If he used it for a reason, I'm happy to do so too.
Appleby| 7.26.11 @ 7:17AM
I blame social media. Now everybody with an agenda and the ability to read has a motive, means and opportunity to get his face and *manifesto* known throughout the world.
I am sure the Muslims are dancing in the streets because the eyes of the liberals are now turned on a crazy blonde from Norway instead of on the crew that is planning a 10th anniversary surprise on September 11. Guess what the airport is doing now, too.
DaveS| 7.26.11 @ 7:28AM
I thought we were beyond the stereotypes (Major Hasan, et al)?
TrueBlue| 7.26.11 @ 11:45AM
Except they never did start pulling people of obvious Middle East decent out of the lines, it's been white people the whole time. And of course, when they increased to the full body molestations it's been almost entirely good-looking busty women (at least, every time I've gone to the airport it has been anyway).
TheRightIsAnythingBut| 7.26.11 @ 5:45PM
You must fly through different airports than I do. Specifics - dates, places, etc. - or STFU.
Bydand76| 7.26.11 @ 10:07PM
Wow.
Your a real class act troll.
But just to feed a troll every now and then.
Minneapolis,
Atlanta,
Denver,
Chicago,
and the ABSOLUTE worst .........
Your Mom.
GFY!
TheRightIsAnythingBut| 7.27.11 @ 2:47PM
Class, nothing but class.
Way to validate every stereotype of the Right as ignorant, off-topic, sneering morons.
Well done, sir!
DaveS| 7.26.11 @ 7:27AM
There' s got to be more to this story. What is leaked may be self-serving to the Norwegian government. And the NYT may be, perish the thought, making up what has been leaked.
That said, there must be so few Muslims in Norway to take out that the NYT must connect the dots and indicate that killing non-Muslims is evidence of hating Muslims. I get it. And non-commerce is commerce. I get that, too.
POST American| 7.26.11 @ 7:39AM
-----THOU SHAT NOT KILL-----
for the scripturally challenged among you.
Alex Jones not only predicted this latest
embarassingly slick, chain pulling horror,
but leads the pack in sorting it out.
"Probably a patsy of Globalist Masonry."
We might just add, he looks very much like
the product of 'special breeding' --a la that other
set up, Julian Assange.
Franco| 7.26.11 @ 12:40PM
The correct and lieral translation is "Murder not."
To murder and to kill are two very, very different things, as the Being Upstairs makes clear. "Thou shalt not kill" is not only a mistranslation, it's the liberal spin on comon sense.
DaveD| 7.26.11 @ 10:48PM
FWIW, Deut 5:17 is translated "You shall not murder" in the NIV Bible.
Accuracy in Media - NH| 7.26.11 @ 7:59AM
RE: "three squares for the rest of his life" - actually (as has already been reported in a number of media reports) the maximum 'punishment' for this individual is 21 years in prison! Even this is not mandatory, wouldn't want to actually be so uncivilized as to 'punish' anyone too severely.
Accuracy in Media - NH| 7.26.11 @ 8:27AM
Here is a description of the Norwegian prison that holds their 'most hardened criminals'. The Norwegians are SOOOOO civilized:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....rison.html
Intelligent Design| 7.26.11 @ 8:33AM
It is entirely logical and reasonable for the world to initially suspect that Muslim terrorists were behind the shootings in Norway, even though the gunman now appears to be a lone-wolf, non-Muslim amateur.
Just look at the facts. Muslim terrorists have killed over 300 people and wounded over 400 people worldwide in just the last 30 days.
They have killed thousands and wounded thousands more since September 11, 2001. And thousands more people were killed or wounded by Muslim terrorists prior to 9/11/01. Indeed, the killing has been going on for centuries. For the long bloody list of Islam's atrocities, including daily updates, see www.thereligionofpeace.com.
The evidence is overwhelming that Islam is a 7th century political ideology whose goal is the destruction of religious freedom and the demise of Western civilization. As the Ayatollah Khomeini said, Islam is politics or it is nothing. Nothing could be more hostile or subversive to our Constitution and Bill of Rights, democracy, and freedom everywhere.
There are no moderate Muslims -- at least not among those who adhere to the Koran and sharia law. Those who don't are not really Muslims. The best thing a Muslim can do is reject the 7th century and join the 21st by committing apostasy, but then his Muslim Brothers might kill him. The very word Islam means submission, meaning the Infidels, Jews, Christians, Buddhists .... whatever, must submit to totalitarian Islamic ideology.
Michael Tomlinson| 7.26.11 @ 11:12AM
Intelligent Design spot on.
Kevin Dunn| 7.26.11 @ 8:52AM
Thanks, Mark Steyn, for a brilliant analysis. The only scenerio this business "fits" is the demonisation of the "right" and the Left will milk it for all it's worth.
Gary Rumain | 7.26.11 @ 10:01AM
They seem to be more content to manufacture lies to suit their own warped agendas. When that comes undone, they'll ignore it as if it never happened and move on to their next lie.
Louis Jenkins| 7.26.11 @ 8:58AM
It is easy to label the man a Right Wing Christian. In fact, there's some who asked who changed his website over the weekend to include "Christian" in his self description. Yes it is politically correct to call someone Christian when the crime is committed, but incorrect to say they are Muslim when they do the same. A double standard. It is a burden that we will have to bear. Christians-bad, Muslims-good. Makes me sick.
TrueBlue| 7.26.11 @ 11:49AM
Just a thought, maybe the gunman made his story up to get eyes off the Muslim community? The fact the he only just signed up for the social networking sites and made his "ideas" known kind of point to the fact that he isn't being entirely honest. That kind of opinion doesn't just appear out of thin air.
David| 7.26.11 @ 9:27AM
Any time the media can demonize Christians or Republicans through half truths or lies, a liberal gets his wings.
Margie| 7.26.11 @ 1:53PM
Ha! Priceless!!
POST American| 7.26.11 @ 9:35AM
AGAIN
-a good case in point on the matter of Freemasonry
---NOT---being Christian.
Freemasonry is Luciferian 'Social Darwinism'
at the service of a self declared elite.
Even at its most presentable, Freemasonry
represents the fatal, indeed, infernal character
of the 'Doctrine of Works'.
As it's on record FACT that Freemasons
have infiltrated 90% of even the Baptist establishment----all of the deluded porch Masons
better start reckoning with the reality.
One can NOT be a Freemason AND a Christian.
To partake of one is to deny the other,
so choose one or the other as your heart
decrees. There's no balking this issue.
--------------BOTTOM LINE-------------------
Mouse| 7.26.11 @ 3:02PM
POST American, www.ephesians5-11.org has a lot of interesting and useful information about freemasonry.
Ken (Old Texican)| 7.26.11 @ 9:38AM
I got jumped on yesterday. I simply asked if anyone knew who the kids were, and what they were doing.
I was frustrated that the media was simply plopping out their agenda, and not reporting the facts as known.
The thing nobody wants to face is that GOVERNMENTS... past and present in Europe kill more people than any other group.
Today, those governments all have "death panels".
The reason I called the murderer "poor guy" is that he has a certain date to face God... and the thereafter.
Gary Rumain | 7.26.11 @ 10:07AM
The Norwegian newspapers are calling them "children" but listing their ages up into the 30s. I suspect this is a problem with autotranslators like Google's and nobody is checking the translations. I suspect a better word might be youths (as in Glenn Beck's reference to Hitler Youth).
What they were doing on the island is indoctrination. I have a photo example up on my blog.
http://madaboutmahound.blogspo.....prior.html
I have asked one of my Swedish regulars to help me find the Norwegian Labour Party's agenda for their youth camp. I suspect it will reveal all, and explain what set Berwick off, if it hasn't already been pulled.
Margie| 7.26.11 @ 1:57PM
What you said was a bit odd, and as far as being jumped on, I would remind me of the lies and filth that you heaped upon me here in these very pages.
Get off your high horse.
Seek| 7.26.11 @ 5:07PM
Sounds like you'd be happier writing for lewrockwell.com.
Dr. X| 7.26.11 @ 10:00AM
I don't think the guy's insane at all. If he is, he's certainly capable of of consistent, logical reasoning, which is clearly demonstrated in his very thoughtful manifesto. What he is is immoral. That's different. In fact, the diagnosis of insanity plays right into the killer's critique of the mushy leftist welfare state, where if you don't believe PC-multi-culti line of propaganda you're crazy. In fact this is exactly what happened in the USSR after Stalin's death; if you refused to believe that you lived in the "workers' paradise" you were committed to a mental institution and controlled through psychiatric drugs. The Norway killer calls the "cultural Marxism" of the EU the "EUSSR" and he may damn well be right about that.
Immoral, yes. Sinful, yes. Correct? Largely, yes. Insane? A sane man in an insane world appears to be insane.
Gary Rumain | 7.26.11 @ 10:16AM
Correct, he is not insane. Neither was Ted Kaczynski. He may have a pathology but he is definitely highly functioning and definitely not insane by any standards except a libtard's.
Scanning through his manifesto, he seems to be very intelligent. I'd love to know what his IQ is.
As I mentioned in an earlier comment, Kaczynski had an IQ of 167 (its documented on Wiki along with some of his mathematical papers). That means his way of thinking is far too advanced for ordinary people with an average IQ to understand. And there's no way he can dumb it down enough for ordinary people to comprehend him.
This means it will take decades before its known if he actually was a visionary or just unhinged. The same may apply to Berwick but that depends.
Melvin| 7.26.11 @ 10:37AM
Aw hell Ken, people are going to believe what people are going to believe. Some says Breivik is insane, some say that Breivik is a Right Wing Extremist. Breivik is all things to fit the media's agenda.
For one thing Breivik is hardly insane, the status of his thinking processes is more aligned with Doctor X's analysis.
The Marxists in Brussel's Belgium have been leaning on Norway to become a member state of the European Union for a good many years now. Each referendum that the Norwegian government puts before it's people it keeps getting voted down, albeit the margin is getting less and less, and less.
Norwegians are a fiercely independent lot and by and large do not want to become a member state of the European Union, even though Norway does abide by EU guidelines.
Then an undetermined amount of Islamic immigrants are moving into Norway because of it's very generous health care and social benefits safety net.
The problem with this is, many of these Islamic immigrants are uneducated and are demanding that the Norwegians come down to their level because these immigrants have absolutely no intention of integrating into the Norwegian society. So what ultimately happens as with all Muslim immigrants they set up a nation state within the larger host Nation State., which creates friction with the locals.
So add these two together Marxists Eurocrats demanding that Norwegians give up their national identity, and immigrant Muslims also demanding that Norwegians give up they're National identity, and it is a recipe for Anders Behring Breivik.
You can bet a nice shiny Chinese Yuan, that there are many Europeans that are sympathetic to Anders Behring Breivik, and quietly support him, even though they don't condone murder, they see no other way, to combat the forces that are trying to change they're national identities, that the have known for hundreds of years.
Fredrick Ward| 7.26.11 @ 10:51AM
I reserve my comments on this man until I have read his writings in whole. His 'compendium' is available online.
George S| 7.26.11 @ 11:13AM
Thanks to Breivik, one can no longer say that a blond haired blue eyed white male is a negative terrorist profile. Don't think this hasn't been lost on the bureaucrats here at Homeland Security -- and the NYT.
Michael Tomlinson| 7.26.11 @ 11:19AM
Who cares what the scum’s IQ is? It doesn’t take a genius to be a murderer just a sick bastard. If there was justice in Norway this character’s life would end with a whimper as he's executed for mass murder. As for the homicidal Muslim Hassan, give him a lethal injection so he can get his 72 virgin males (the preferred sexual partner for a Muslim man is another man or boy).
Anthony| 7.26.11 @ 11:30AM
It's not nice to confuse the N.Y. Times and Madame Mussolini over at Homeland Security with facts.
Besides, it's a well know fact that the followers of the religion of peace, Islam, are now disguising themselves as blonde- blue eyed Aryans in order to hide in plain sight.
Also, records show that Breivik was the founder of the Tea-Party Movement, was the love child of George Bush and Sarah Palin, and scaled Obozo's formidable Mexican boarder wall to vote for John McCain no less than 5 times.
Democrat secretaries of state admitted however that Breivik voted legally, as he did present his Norweigen driver's license and Tea Party membership card each time he voted, despite the fact that no such I.D. was required. The antiquated gesture was much appreciated by the poll workers however.
May the paper of record live a long life, or until their Prozac dispensers run empty, which ever comes first. Only one pill per hour Paul and Maureen, no cutting in line for more!!!
Also, all hail Madame Mussolini for keeping America safe from those Right-Wing fanatics, oh, and doesn't she look spiffy in her black uniform and shining brown boots. The four inch heels add to Madame's formidability, don't you all agree?
Oldefarte| 7.26.11 @ 12:06PM
As this article documents, the MSM's will attempt to brainwash, propagandize etc its readers/viewers into believing its POLITICAL CORRECTNESS 101 agenda [and apparently it has been/is successful at same, since we/us have historically elected their favored liberal Democrats to political offices]. That said, the descriptions of this insane human being as super intelligent sadly misses the point, which is that he's immoral, irrational, insane [and as such is definately NOT CHRISTIAN]. No rational human being seeks to effectuate his ideas/beliefs upon others by use of physical force, and certainly not by use of weapons and through killing/murder. The only rational avenue for effecting change of public attitudes is through free political elections. These murderers/killers are simply/sadly mentally deranged animals that have obviously lost control of their mental senses. These murderers/killers will bring about the opposite of what they desire, due to the resultant revulsion of the horrors brought about by their inhuman activities. The labeling of these killers/murderers as '''''Christian''''' is insanely stupid and ludicrous, since they conveniently ignore the Christian law/principle of 'THAU SHALT NOT KILL' !!!!!!!!!!
Drunken Sailor| 7.26.11 @ 12:36PM
Does it really matter if he was far left or far right? Extremism is dangerous in any form.
Meden Agan
PolishKnight| 7.26.11 @ 2:29PM
"But the New York Times does both its readers and the general public a grave disservice"
On the contrary, the NYT is clearly a leftist propaganda mill read and subsidized by other leftist propagandists. Other than critical articles such as this one, the readers of the NYT are clearly pleased with such self-serving narratives because that's what they would write if they could.
I'm sure others have noticed that followers of Islam and Socialism have a lot in common:
1) They regard themselves as superior to infidels and justified in dehumanizing them.
2) They see no problems with double standards since, as superior people, they are entitled to do as they please.
3) They love state power and the power of the mob. That is the one true God.
The left's alliance with radical Islam is fascinating.
Margie| 7.26.11 @ 2:59PM
Man oh man, you guys!
Some of you are saying he's not insane because he was able to plan it all out.. but.. but!
The fact that his mind considered what he was doing as reasonable in any way shape or form PROVES he IS insane!!
Yikes.
Some of you are scaring me. For example~ the Papal Inquisitors actually believed that by torturing and murdering the Christians that didn't agree with them~ that they were doing a service to God.
Were they insane? When one's mind is given over to such hatred for his fellow man, he becomes insane, and commits atrocities.
It doesn't matter that he can "function" in his day to day life.. all human beings are selfish enough to want to live, so they eat, sleep, etc. But their minds are crazy. and results in their actions.
Some on these very pages threaten physical harm~ because they are off their rockers. It has NOTHING to do with intellect~ except you might be able to say that old saying.. "they are too smart for their own britches!"
Stormzeye| 7.26.11 @ 4:21PM
"Insanity" is a legal term in the United States. Most states adopt the Model Penal Code's 1962 definition which amounts to: a mental disease or defect which during the commission of the crime prevents a person from appreciating the criminality of his act or renders him incapable of conforming his behavior to the requirements of the law. Under this definition I don't think this lunatic is "insane". I don't know what standard Norway uses to determine insanity. Perhaps a "personality disorder" though not sufficient in the U.S. would probably be enough in Norway.
Margie| 7.26.11 @ 5:06PM
Well, whether or not he fits the "legal" def. in order to be brought to Worldly justice, an individual believes it is OK to murder 90 some human beings is insane.
I get what you're trying to say as to the law.
Margie| 7.26.11 @ 5:14PM
Ah yes, stormzeye. To your point:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14294251
The lawyers are already ramping up for his insanity defense.
In the court of law it may be a cop-out. In the court of the Creator~ not so much.
Stormzeye| 7.26.11 @ 8:36PM
We are all in God's hands both now and at the end of time and that justice is inexorable.
This guy however will also be in the hands of temporal law which is only sometimes just.
Margie| 7.26.11 @ 9:05PM
Well, you put it together quite well, better than I of course, though I was trying to say the same thing.
Thanks!
DaveD| 7.26.11 @ 10:58PM
"The fact that his mind considered what he was doing as reasonable in any way shape or form PROVES he IS insane!!"
Actually, no it doesn't. You and I view such actions as those of an insane individual, but that doesn't necessarily make it so. Being consumed with hate for another person/group does not automatically make you insane.
Margie| 7.26.11 @ 11:36PM
It does when you carry it out, sir.
Are you kidding me?
Gary Rumain | 7.28.11 @ 9:38AM
Sorry, but you are incorrect. It only proves he has a pathology. He's highly functioning, rational and very focused. Hardly the hallmarks of insanity.
BackToBasics| 7.26.11 @ 3:21PM
In spite of the tenor of this piece, I do not think the media will put a glaring spotlight on this for too long; it has already begun to subside. I think it will fade rather quickly. I think this, not because it doesn't fit the anti-Christian template of the media, but because they will be afraid that if they go too far with it, it will create a backlash. They know that such ad hominem attacks "might" just wake up to many in the West as to the dangers facing them not the least of which is media bias against them, especially if they are Christian and conservative.
Secondly, it is such a revolting story that even news junkies will tire of it quickly. Except for glancing at headlines, I stopped reading about it on Sunday evening. Even then, already, what I read was an ABC report that backed off on suggestions that he was a fundamentalist Christian. I think even "some" in the media see the danger of going down that road of false allegations.
For different reasons, the media did not report too much on the Beslan, North Ossetia massacre in September 2004 where hundreds of children and adults were killed there purposefully by terrorists and accidentally by rescuers after Muslim terrorists held hostages in a school there.
But it's no surprise that I've not heard or read one comparison of Breivik's terrorist massacre to that story now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_hostage_crisis
Sardonikus| 7.26.11 @ 5:25PM
This Reinhard Heydrich-resembling freakazoid may only get 21 years, but he'll get the Jeffrey Dahmer treatment before he's done ten.
Gary Rumain | 7.28.11 @ 9:40AM
In solitary in a luxury Norwegian prison? I don't think so, Tim!
Yeoman | 7.26.11 @ 7:36PM
Why do the state-worshipping socialists seemingly prefer Muslim extremists to Christian ones? Is it simply an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality or something deeper? Do they consider Christianity forever at odds with their social agenda, but Islam in some way compatible with it? Certainly some must.
Gary Rumain | 7.28.11 @ 9:41AM
Think "divide and conquer".
Naturalborn Texicanette| 7.26.11 @ 8:34PM
I agree with you, Ken. We all must ultimately face God.
By the way, read your book excerpt!! My kind of novel!!!
Mike| 7.26.11 @ 10:06PM
But his form of politics was over 20 years before that.
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POST American| 7.26.11 @ 10:11PM
---------------------BOTTOM LINE---------------------
Once again, Freemasonry and its God mocking
'Doctrine of Works' ----is revealed to be working
on us.
-Clean out your churches folks.
Then call out and challenge the strangle hold Masonry
has on education, government, and most certainly and perhaps most central of all ---BANKING.
USURY, 'the Doctrine of Works' and its ultimate
expression ---'benny violence'.
WHAT ARE YOU NOT GETTING?