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The Deal That Dare Not Speak Its Name
Obama and Boehner are reluctant to celebrate their grand bargain because many obstacles remain.
Throughout the afternoon, details kept leaking. President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner were "starting to close in on a major budget deal," reported the New York Times, citing unnamed sources close to Democratic congressional leaders. The Obama-Boehner pact would include "$3 trillion in spending cuts over 10 years to avert an unprecedented U.S. default," a "senior Democratic congressional aide" told Reuters.
Cue jokes about "Denial" being more than a river in Egypt. "We are not close to a deal," White House spokesman Jay Carney said Thursday. "There is no deal," Boehner told Rush Limbaugh, reiterating his support of the House-passed Cut, Cap and Balance plan.
As we go to press, rumors swirl that we stand at the precipice of a major bipartisan agreement that would rein in entitlement spending, pave the way for tax reform, and increase the debt ceiling with no guarantee of tax hikes. One would think both the president and the speaker would be hailing this as a major victory.
Yet it remains the deal that dare not speak its name.
Why? In part because restive liberals could object to any meaningful spending cuts outside the Pentagon and demand tax increases in a fragile economy. Democratic leaders also object to their exclusion from the talks that reportedly produced the deal.
But let's face it: disenchanted liberals have yet to stand in the way of any deal Obama has had to strike, from the continuation of Bush's wars and tax cuts to the dropping of the public option from the health care bill.
The greater risk is that conservatives in Boehner's House will torpedo the plan. Many of them campaigned in favor of serious spending cuts. A majority took the Taxpayer Protection Pledge, which could be violated if loophole closings aren't matched dollar-for-dollar by marginal rate cuts. Some don't even think the version of Cut, Cap and Balance that passed the House goes far enough. A few oppose raising the debt ceiling under any attainable circumstances.
Conservatives will be wary of any "balanced plan," for by balanced the president does not mean balanced budgets. That is code for revenue raisers and enhancements, among other euphemisms for tax increases. The history of bipartisan betrayals is long and baleful.
We are constantly reminded that in 1982, Ronald Reagan raised taxes as part of a deficit-reduction deal with congressional Democrats. He believed he had achieved $3 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax increases. Reagan later lamented, "Congress never cut spending by even one penny."
Eight years later, George Bush accepted tax increases as part of a similar deal. He was promised $2 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax hikes. Instead all $137 billion of the tax increases happened but spending went up $22 billion over the baseline. The actual spending cuts came from the defense budget. At the end of the five-year budget window, non-defense spending was $91 billion higher than what the Congressional Budget Office had projected before the 1990 agreement was reached.
As recently as April, Republicans accepted a deal to avoid a government shutdown. There were no tax increases this time, but precious little in the way of spending cuts either. First it was advertised as cutting $38 billion out of $3.8 trillion. Then the CBO later found the bipartisan agreement reduced this year's deficit by a mere $352 million.
But it is the memory of the 1990 budget agreement that lingers the longest. For not only did it help usher "Read My Lips" Bush out of office, but it fueled the rise of Newt Gingrich, who opposed the tax increase, and the fall of then House Republican leader Bob Michel, who dutifully supported it. There is no shortage of conservatives in the House who would relish the opportunity to play Newt to Boehner's Bob Michel.
Boehner is no Michel, obviously. He is better trusted by members of the House Republican Conference than some potential Gingriches. But he was clear in his interview with Rush Limbaugh that he does not believe the United States can risk default by not raising the debt ceiling. Since that's how the speaker sees the stakes, he is likely to cut a deal with Obama in the end, even if he needs some Democratic votes to pass it.
There's an old, possibly apocryphal story about a Republican congressional aide who told a group of visiting Russian legislators that the U.S. has a two-party system divided between the Stupid Party and the Evil Party. "Periodically, the two parties get together and do something stupid and evil," the aide is supposed to have said. "That is called bipartisanship."
That tale captures the mood of many Republicans right now and the hurdle Boehner will have to clear in selling them any deal with Obama.
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Clint| 7.22.11 @ 6:37AM
"Asked why President Obama, Democrats, most of Congress and many people in the business community are pushing an increase in the U.S. debt limit, Dr. Ron Paul responded:
"I think they are misled. I think they believe what they are saying, but I think they don't understand economic policy because they're afraid of a default and they've been frightened," he said. "But this is the way so often government works -- they try to frighten the people."
RobS| 7.22.11 @ 11:09AM
If Ron Paul weren't a few bricks shy of a load he'd be a heckova candidate. He and Palin are the only ones willing to just tell it like it is and let the chips fall where they may. With Ron Paul it's the kind of attitude that often comes with age, when you stop caring what people think about you and just say whatever you feel like saying. I wish I could have seen him in action when he was younger and more coherent. With Palin it's the kind of steel-reinforced spine that comes from being attacked day in and day out and refusing to give in. She's waiting for the right time to jump in but she knows how badly her country needs her and she'll do the right thing.
John Navratil| 7.22.11 @ 11:20AM
RobS,
Ron Paul is just fine doing what he is doing. He is just where he needs to be.
Cosmo| 7.23.11 @ 2:01AM
Carol| 7.22.11 @ 8:00AMBoehner will cave.He's playing this out with Obama to appease the Tea Party members of
Congress.Boehner cries for a reason. It's because he is not a man...
Carol is right...We are never going to get anywhere until Boehner and McConnell are gone.
Boehner caved on the 2010 budget & he will cave on this, then cry for awhile, then go play golf with his pal Satan.
Judy G| 7.23.11 @ 2:05AM
The final and simplest deal might be:
Cut $100 billion, then you get to add $100 billion
to the National Debt. Has to be real cuts.
Just do $100 billion at a time.
To raise the National Debt by $4 Trillion over time, they would have to eliminte the entire federal budget.
Hang in there, Republicans...We are counting on you.
Teaghan| 7.22.11 @ 11:25AM
I hope you're right RobS.
Gretchen| 7.24.11 @ 8:22PM
Me too!
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 12:19PM
And, when they are proven wrong, what will they say? Like Alan Greenspan "Well, there were mistakes made" ... and move on - while we are all standing in soup lines trying to feed ourselves so they could try to prove a point. Fear that is justified IS something to be afraid of. 2 lone voices in the wilderness should carry so much weight, while the rest of the educated world is running around with its hair on fire, including the Ratings agencies that determine credit worthiness, rightly or wrongly. Not a chance. While I agree with Paul on the pullback of the American Empire and some economic policies - tempting financial armageddon is not the way to fix the current problem. And, Sarah " I can see Russia from my House" Palin is a has-been and her 15 minutes are over...
Steve A| 7.22.11 @ 2:30PM
Hey Purp, If Sarah is a has been, given her accomplishments thus far, that certainly makes you a never was. How does that "make you feel?"
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 2:31PM
Once again you proven what PurpleGuy stands for,,, too much acid in your younger days.
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 2:33PM
I can't help myself.............
Mike D.| 7.22.11 @ 5:47PM
Neither can anybody else nitwit.
TrueBlue| 7.22.11 @ 4:48PM
That whole "I can see Russia from my house" line is from an SNL skit with the part played by Tina Fey, not from Sarah Palin.
It's okay, I can understand how libs keep getting SNL confused with real news; CNN, MSNBC, and ABC are about the same quality of reporting.
Maddox| 7.24.11 @ 12:38AM
Truer words were never spoken.
carnot| 7.23.11 @ 8:35AM
you assume what has to be proven: "financial armageddon". the whole logic of this argument is rather brain dead as it implies that there is only one path...one option....no alternatives. how dishonest (or simple-minded) can you get in your thinking?
but at least be honest...when you say "financial armageddon" what you really mean is "entitlement armageddon".
Gretchen| 7.24.11 @ 8:26PM
Sarah P. DIDN'T say "I can see Russia from my house" -- it was that commedienne who looks somewhat like her. (I can't remember the woman's name.)
Gretchen| 7.24.11 @ 8:27PM
Tina Fay -- thank's True Blue!
Gretchen| 7.24.11 @ 8:28PM
OOPS! should be "thanks"!
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 12:48PM
Dr. Ron Paul Is A Husband, Father, Former Military Officer, Doctor, Congressman & One Of Our Tea Party Co-Favorites & A Tea Party Presidential Candidate, Who Understands The Constitution of The Founding Fathers & Austrian School Economics.
The Democrat Opposition & Their RINO-CINO Fop Fellow Traveller Flunkies Have Attempted To Smear Up & Marginalize Our Tea Party Co-Favorite Sarah Palin, Our Tea Party Presidential Candidate Michele Bachmann & Our Tea Partry Co-Favorite & Presidential Candidate Dr.Ron Paul.
Like Paul, Reagan ran for President a couple of times before finally winning in 1980. In fact, when Ronald Reagan ran for the Republican nomination in 1976 he was opposed by the Republican leadership and was even considered a “kook” by many in the party. Sound familiar? At that time, only four Republican congressman supported Reagan and Ron Paul was one of them.
"Only one of the 2012 candidates - running or potentially running - has been endorsed by The Gipper himself.
"Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense," said Reagan in a Ron Paul campaign ad. "As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country."
RobS| 7.22.11 @ 3:35PM
Ron Paul has done a lot in his long life, and he says a lot of the right things but you have to ignore everything else that makes him sound like a crackpot. No disrespect to his honorable service as a doctor and military officer, but his time has come and gone.
It's funny that you quote The Gipper praising Paul. That quote is ancient. It's from before 1987 because that was the year that Ron Paul left the GOP and attacked Reagan saying things like "Ronald Reagan has given us a deficit 10 times greater than what we had with the Democrats".
He does more harm than good now, but if you can take just the coherent things he says and ignore the crackpot stuff, and also ignore his history of attacking Reagan and blaming the USA for violence in the Middle East, then you've got to admit that he's one of the few candidates who has a Palin-like willingness to say things that nobody else has the guts to say.
What a shame that, really, there is only one viable candidate on the horizon, Sarah Palin, only one candidate who would kick a** and take names later. We should have ten candidates like that to choose from, but instead we only have one. Fortunately she's a great one.
It's time for the crackpots and Rinos to get out of the way.
TrueBlue| 7.22.11 @ 4:50PM
Dang, Clint is still trying to use that line here? I told him the same thing, with links to proof, almost a month ago.
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 5:52PM
You Callin' Ronald Reagan A Liar Now.Sport ?
Ya Want The Dutchman To Take It Back, ?
Hmmmm RINO-CINO Boy ?
We Tea Party Patriots Will See Ya At The 2012 GOP Primaries.
TrueBlue| 7.23.11 @ 12:40PM
No, like I pointed out to you awhile ago, and the RobS did above, that Reagan quote was from a long time ago, BEFORE Ron Paul turned on Reagan for his own political gain.
Clint| 7.23.11 @ 3:29PM
Do Your Homework.
Dr.Ron Paul criticized Reagan for not reducing the government to a "constitutional size." But Paul also used Reagan's picture in his brochure. "He ran on a good program," Paul explained. "His idea was limited government ... and a strong national defense."
Aaaaand,
Paul’s popularity is so high among U.S. service members that the Texas Congressman’s presidential campaign has received more money from U.S. soldiers than any other candidate in the 2012 presidential race.
Aaaaand,
Latest Rasmussen Polling:
Obama 41%, Ron Paul 37%
Only The RINO-CINO Fop Mittens Romney Is that close to Obama.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Ramping Up Now.
Lead, Follow Or Get The Hell Out Of Our Way.
Gretchen| 7.24.11 @ 8:31PM
As someone remarked about Mrs. Thatcher, "She's the only one with male appendiges."
Gretchen| 7.24.11 @ 8:34PM
The above was in response to RobS., 7.22.11 @3:35 PM.
Elron H.| 7.22.11 @ 5:14PM
You ARE in love, aren't you Clint?
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 5:58PM
The Military Is, ObamaBoy Israel Firster L.Ron Hubbard Poseur, Brooks.
"Support for Ron Paul Runs High Among Members of the Military
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.), an official candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, is extremely popular with members of the U.S. military. On July 19th, Paul held his “Ready for Ames” Money Bomb Radio Marathon, raising more than $550,000 from supporters to expand the Texas Congressman’s “first-class campaign in Iowa.” It’s likely that more than a few of the contributors to Paul’s “Ready for Ames” money bomb were men and women in uniform.
In fact, Paul’s popularity is so high among U.S. service members that the Texas Congressman’s presidential campaign has received more money from U.S. soldiers than any other candidate in the 2012 presidential race."
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.
Carpe Diem.
TrueBlue| 7.23.11 @ 12:39PM
That's funny, I don't need quotes from outside sources to know that there is much greater support for Bachmann in the military than there is for Ron Paul. How do I know? Because I work with them every day, and have friends and contacts all over the world who are in the military to tell me without having to go to a biased report from elsewhere.
Clint| 7.23.11 @ 3:51PM
That's 'Cause Ya Got No Facts To Back Your Mouth, Sport.
Back Your Mouth Up With A Cited Source Fact Or Stand Down.
We View Your Agenda Driven & Suspect Personally Biased Anecdotal Story, Exactly,For What It Is.
Aaaand, Dr. Ron Paul Was An Active Duty Flight Surgeon & A Reserve Officer.
Aaaand Again,
Rasmussen Polling JULY 22nd,2011:
Obama 41%, Ron Paul 37%.
Only The RINO-CINO Mittens Romney Is Closer Now.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Ramping Up Now.
Carpe Diem.
Elron H| 7.23.11 @ 8:53PM
Remember to vote for my man Bibi.
mames| 7.22.11 @ 2:53PM
There is no compromise we either cut and eliminate departments or get taxed more.
Alan Brooks| 7.22.11 @ 9:49PM
Clint, I've written this several times, but once more- so even YOU will get it:
Elron H. is someone else, NOT me. Okay? got it?
sheesh. What did your Dad do to you? hit you with a broomstick?
Alan Brooks| 7.22.11 @ 10:24PM
...wish I had written what Elron wrote-- he doesn't digress as I do-- however I am not him. But I AM the one who wrote that you are Jewish, Clint. Your real name is Irving Hebrewitz, and you own a company that puts matzoh ball soup into jars.
Irving Hebrewitz = Clint
Margie| 7.23.11 @ 12:28AM
LOLOL!!!!
Alan Brooks| 7.23.11 @ 3:12AM
Chicago Tribune, June 16th, 2011
AP
Irving Hebrewitz, alias Clint, announced today at the American Spectator site that he is heading to the Sinai Peninsula to act as one-man border patrol for the state of Israel.
"I want to give my life for Israel", said Clint. "Bring it on", he added; "let them shoot me", I don't care!"
"L Chaim."
Clint| 7.23.11 @ 11:06AM
The Tea Party Rebellion Ramps Up, While Others Are Flapping Their Yaps.
Rasmussen Poll:
Obama 41%, Ron Paul 37%
Congressman Ron Paul may be a long shot to win the Republican presidential nomination, but he runs competitively with President Obama right now.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters shows Paul picking up 37% of the vote, while the president earns 41%. The Texas congressman joins Mitt Romney, Michelle Bachmann, and Rick Perry as candidates within hailing distance of the president at this time.
Only The RINO-CINO Asshat Mittens Romney Is Closer To Obama.
Carpe Diem.
Clint| 7.23.11 @ 10:54AM
Let's Seeeeee Here.
The L.Ron Hubbard Poseur Troll Is Mocking Dr. Ron Paul & The Tea Party & Hiding Behind The Skirts Of L.Ron Hubbard.
So Far Little Nicky From Detroit & Now, Allen Brooks Are Claiming It Ain't Them.
We Haven't Heard From Dr.Reich, Victor-Margie-Sybil-Sandy, Kenny The Squirrel, Tool Job & Assorted Suspects.
Trust But Verify.
We'll See Who's The Cowardly Little Sneaky Bastard, Trolling As L.Ron Hubbard Against The Tea Party & Dr.Ron Paul.
It's Either A RINO-CINO, Israel Firster Or A ObamaBoy or Some Combo Of These Three.
Until Then, You're All Suspects.
Don't Leave Town.
Alan Brooks| 7.23.11 @ 9:50PM
Clint, I swear it wasn't me- I can't write quite as well as whomever Elron is (you flatter me).
But it doesn't matter, because I agree with him; wish I HAD written what he wrote to you.
Elron H.| 7.22.11 @ 11:39AM
"Asked why President Obama, Democrats, most of Congress and many people in the business community are pushing an increase in the U.S. debt limit, Dr. Ron Paul responded:
"I think they have been replaced with duplicates made from their DNA in labs operated by the global, Zionist conspiracy - and WalMart. But this is the way so often that the conspiracy works -- clones."
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 12:56PM
Uh Oh !
The L. Ron Hubbard Poseur, ObamaBoy Brooks Is In The Building.
Elron H.| 7.22.11 @ 4:01PM
...Is that the best you can do, Clinton?
Looks like I need a more worthy opponent. Maybe one with a point?
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 6:03PM
Looks like You're A Hiding Coward ObamaBoy Israel Firster Brooks,Hiding Behind L.Ron Hubbard's Skirts.
Then Again, You Istrael Firsters Make A Bad Habit Of That & Tryin' To Get American Warriors To Do Your Fightin' For Ya.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Gonna Step On Your Affirmative Action Boy Obama, Brooks.
Bring It, ObamaBoy,Brooks.
Alan Brooks| 7.22.11 @ 9:03PM
BTW, Clint, Elron Hubbard isn't me! I don't write that clearly; the post above is the only one I've done today besides this one... you are seeing me where I'm not: paranoia.
Soon you'll be seeing the boogieman under the bed-- with my face on him.
Clint| 7.23.11 @ 11:12AM
"The Lady Doth Protest Too Much, Methinks."
You're Still A Suspect.
Don't Leave Town, Brooks.
Alan Brooks| 7.23.11 @ 9:52PM
You flatterer, you- wish I was Elron, I'd write comments like his all day: directed at you.
Elron H| 7.23.11 @ 8:54PM
Bibi rocks.
Alan Brooks| 7.22.11 @ 8:18PM
I remember Paul ran for president decades ago on the Libertarian ticket, then he was sharp. But libertarianism doesn't take into account how men want power more than freedom. Libertarianism is another God that will fail.
Ideology is dead-- it just hasn't been buried yet.
Alan Brooks| 7.22.11 @ 8:20PM
Funny, you all know as well as anyone how 'isms' are finished, but you can't figure out libertarianism is one of those isms.
Alan Brooks| 7.22.11 @ 9:09PM
Above, that is, Clint, are the only comments I have done today. Elron H. is NOT me;
whoever he is, he is a sharpie- he is on the ball.
Elron H| 7.23.11 @ 8:57PM
I'm in Mensa.
I'm smarter than all of you.
Clint| 7.23.11 @ 11:19AM
Apparently, ObamaBoy Israel Firster Brooks Thinks Constitutionalism Is Finished.
We Tea Party Patriots And Our Tea Party Presidential Candidate Dr.Ron Paul. Say That ObamaBoy, Israel Firster Brooks Is Full Of Crap,As Usual.
Rasmussen Poll:
Obama 41%, Ron Paul 37%
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.
Carpe Diem.
Alan Brooks| 7.23.11 @ 9:55PM
"...Brooks Thinks Constitutionalism Is Finished."
No, it's just outdated, you are smart enough to know the difference?
Clint| 7.25.11 @ 12:25AM
Then follow the Constitutional Process & Amend It If You Can ObamaBoy Brooks.
ENOUGH ROPE| 7.23.11 @ 9:25AM
Given that Obama's true agenda is to weaken the U.S., he will "Welcome a Default" and blame it on the Republicans. The negative consequences of an impaired credit rating, higher interests rates, and increasing the chances for a run on the dollar are welcome consequences for the TRAITOR-IN-CHIEF.
Kitty| 7.22.11 @ 6:44AM
Republicans should heed the message from the November 2010 election. Make a deal with the devil and they could be next.
oldfart| 7.22.11 @ 6:49AM
RHINOs cannot think that far ahead.
Kitty| 7.22.11 @ 6:50AM
You're right. Damn.
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 12:21PM
Oh, it's better to have AMINOS running the country? AMericans In Name Only ...
skip| 7.22.11 @ 2:13PM
Pimplepus
Tell us again about Obama's plan for running the country, his most recent budget proposal the democratic controlled senate voted down by a slim 0 - 97 margin, that the CBO said could not be scored because the details of the plan consisted of a speech.
Drunken Sailor| 7.22.11 @ 3:07PM
Not really, I mean we have that now and look how bad of shape the country is in.
Carol| 7.22.11 @ 8:00AM
Boehner will cave.
He's playing this out with Obama to appease the Tea Party members of Congress.
Boehner cries for a reason. It's because he is not a man and loves to see the American people suffer as much as Obama.
Teaghan| 7.22.11 @ 11:25AM
Oh please.......
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 12:23PM
No - he knows that this will be a catastrophe on his watch and doesn't want it to happen anymore than Obama does. The Grownups have to herd the cats and kids and stop listening to you idiot fringe-biters that take no responsibility for what your elected officials do when it goes wrong. You will be the first ones to complain, after it's too late. You are all a bunch of Aminos (Americans in Name Only)
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 2:35PM
aye and begorra there's another Leprechaun in the mirror.......he say's Obama is the "Chosen"
TrueBlue| 7.22.11 @ 5:52PM
You mean kind of like the democrats in office before them that didn't pass a single budget bill the entire time they had control of the House, Senate, AND Presidency?
You can criticize all you want, but the fact remains that not a single thing the Dems have put forward makes sense to ANYONE that has actually had to run a business.
mames| 7.22.11 @ 2:56PM
Boehner is a statist to the core and not EVER TO BE TRUSTED. Every time I see him I just want to punch his weak face in and send him home to mama.
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 3:25PM
Save that emotion for Obama, ok?
idalily| 7.22.11 @ 7:23PM
Carol, you are proven wrong by the afternoon headlines. From H/A:
House Speaker John Boehner has walked away from negotiations with President Obama over a deal to raise the debt limit.
“In the end, we couldn’t connect. Not because of different personalities, but because of different visions for our country,” Boehner said in a letter to colleagues. He said Mr. Obama ” is emphatic that taxes have to be raised” and “adamant that we cannot make fundamental changes to our entitlement programs.”
“For these reasons, I have decided to end discussions with the White House and begin conversations with the leaders of the Senate in an effort to find a path forward,” he said.
So, Carol, and all the other Boener haters in this thread, can you PLEASE stop slamming the man before he does anything slam-worthy? Try giving the guy a pat on the back for a change. He showed serious stones here today. We cannot keep eating our own with NO justification. Stop, please.
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 10:29PM
Hi idalily,
Thank you for that good news! I am so glad to hear it.
idalily| 7.22.11 @ 11:11PM
Hi, backatcha, Margie! And I'm always happy to pass on good news. We need all the good news we can get these days. BTW, I sent Boener a letter saying well done and keep holding that line. I wish others would do the same. An encouraging word goes a long way.
oldfart| 7.22.11 @ 6:48AM
Where are the Profiles in Courage people today? Like Pres. Reagan and Bush found out – Congress will never never cut spending. These people cannot be trusted. If what is in Washington DC today were in power in 1776 we would have been welcoming our future King and Queen two weeks ago.
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 12:25PM
So instead, the Tea Party elected extreme radicals that want to dismantle everything? Let's start with every government service you use ... all the "RED" states, hmmmm?
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 2:36PM
..........there is dirt between my toes..........hmmmmmm
mames| 7.22.11 @ 2:58PM
Simply remove all services outside those enumerated in the Constitution.
oldfart| 7.22.11 @ 3:59PM
You broke the code!!
Doctor Right| 7.22.11 @ 4:10PM
We have not yet begun to dismantle.
Wait 'til 2013, when the Republicans (mostly Tea Party Republicans, too) have a majority in both Houses (maybe even a super-majority) , and hold the White House, too.
THEN the real dismantling will begin.
And let's get something straight, you fool...
If you support Obama's socialist agenda, YOU are the radical.
We support the US Constitution. You support the policies of dead, white European Marxists from the 19th century. In other words, like all Libs, you embrace stupidity and call it wisdom.
Doctor Right| 7.22.11 @ 4:16PM
Additionally, calling someone a hypocrite because they may utilize a public service is puerile (that means juvenile AND dumb).
Since you Leftists insist on picking the pockets of the productive class to fund your multitude of schemes and "programs", and since we have NO say in paying taxes to support these schemes, then you're damn right that we will occasionally utilize them.
But you're logic, as usual, is deeply flawed. Take social security, for example. I'd be QUITE happy to opt out of paying social security AND forgo whatever I've paid into it up to this point if that meant I could set up my own private retirement account that would not regulate how much I could save, how much I could contribute at any given time, and how much tax I'd have to pay to use it.
But uninformed a-hole Liberals such as yourself are against EVER letting people do anything like that because too many of you useless lardasses depend on gov't cheese to survive.
You pathetic Libs have NO idea about the steamroller coming your way in 2012.
Good. That means more of you will get flattened.
idalily| 7.22.11 @ 11:15PM
Yes, we extreme radicals actually expect the officials entrusted with OUR money to balance the public checkbook. How unreasonable of us. You are such a tool Purp.
POST American| 7.22.11 @ 7:01AM
----Chicken feed!
----------CUT TO THE CHASE!----------
-that 1.5 QUADRILION in FAKE derivatives
debt
-BILLIONS, or is it TRILLIONS? given by
U.S. taxpayers to enable the RED Chinese
'miracle' to 'happen' ---and now TRILLIONS
further owed to them
-the outrageously ILLEGAL 'Federal' Reserve
-the outrageous TAX FREE status of the
ultra rich capstone foundations that are,
even now, massively funding the Mexican
'Reconquista' and 'La Raza'. ---and this
just the tip of the ice berg of their
century long agenda of cultural takedown
and EUGENICS.
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 7:07AM
" If the debt ceiling is not increased, the Treasury can prioritize interest and debt payment to avoid a default and essentially put the government on a stringent pay-as-you-go basis. Would that involve extreme cuts in government spending? Certainly. But it could be done, if it had to.
Let's remember that the Treasury still rakes in quite a bit of money in revenues — it took in $604 billion (seasonally adjusted) in the third quarter of 2010. In FY 2010 the annual debt service was some $414 billion, working out to an average of about $104 billion per quarter. Although the numbers won't be quite the same going forward, the debt service will soak up only about one-sixth of the incoming revenues."
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.
Carpe Diem.
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 12:28PM
by eliminating the military completely the country would almost have no deficit - but is that what you are advocating? Or eliminating the 60,000 TSA workers that keep the planes safe and flying? Maybe all those useless seniors that freeload off of Social Security and Medicare?
It gets very tiring talking to children that are so wrapped up in their cause they can't see reality. Tea Party bombs.
Caveat Emptor
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 2:43PM
oh gee,,, I am so sorry,,,,,Mr. Hyde keeps showing up..... peace be with you
jd| 7.22.11 @ 7:30AM
I am so sick and tired of Repubs compromising. CUT THE FRICKEN SPENDING. What is so hard to understand about that??????????????
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 12:29PM
Raise the frickinnn taxes on the wealthy - it's even easier - no one gets hurt.
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 2:44PM
rrrriiiibbbiiiitttt
Doctor Right| 7.22.11 @ 4:18PM
Do you look as dumb as your posts sound?
Do you understand the BASIC elements of economics?
No. You're a Democrat.
TrueBlue| 7.22.11 @ 6:15PM
I've got a few for you Purple... WHY do people who make more money have to pay a greater percentage than anyone else? HOW is that fair to anyone?
They make more money, congrats to them! The percentage in income taxes someone pays should not be greater than what anyone else pays. If I make $50k/yr and get taxed at 25% (which is true btw) that means I'm paying $12,500 a year. If you make $1 mil/yr and get taxed at 25% (true tax rate for them is 35%) you'd pay $250k a year in income taxes. So WHY should your percentage be higher when you're already paying 20 times as much as me?! Close all the loopholes and the majority of deductions (deductions for charity are a great idea IMO), then tax everyone the same percentage.
Better idea to make sure nobody gets hurt, let's take the $175k a year (lowest amount btw) all those Congress critters and the President makes, and cut it in half. $46.9 mil in cuts right there. THEN we'll take away their current healthcare plan and make them choose from one of the plans available to your standard federal employee; that's another $495k or so a year saved, putting us at $47.4 mil in cuts. Ok, NOW they can make cuts to the military budget, and even THINK about raising taxes on everyone else.
Frankly, before they cut either military spending or increase taxes they should be forced to downsize, or completely shut down, all those worthless government agencies that have powers not enumerated in the Constitution like the EPA, ATF, and Dept of Education.
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 7:14PM
One question, Purplepeopleeater:
Who do you, or the government think you/they are, or on whose authority is it that allows you/them to believe that it is right to steal other people's money?
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 7.22.11 @ 7:34AM
If a government is evil and so duplicitous that they can not be trusted, then wouldn't it be prudent to call for the failure of that government?
Lmajito| 7.22.11 @ 8:42AM
Bill, what's prudent is 1776 all over again...3 trillion in 10 years, are you kidding?
a 1.5 trillion yearly deficit with a 300 billion cut equals 1.2 trillion deficit...over 10 years that's over 11 trillion...we're looking at some real money here...what kind of deal is that? certainly not for the health of the republic...
i stated before, the leadership of the repubs in dc must be voted out(of office that is) let boehner go cry to his grandkids for screwing them out of a future...these so called leaders of the right are bought and pay for in equal quantities as the dunce whores across the aisle...
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 12:31PM
Actually, I agree with the bought and paid for on both sides ... eliminate private support for campaigns and the entire system will change - you will get better people in Congress, stop the pigs at the trough on both sides, and put sanity back into government. THAT's what the Tea Party should go after - that really would change everything, without throwing us off the cliff .
CrackerHound| 7.22.11 @ 1:15PM
I think I just figured out what drives your opinions when it comes to the debt ceiling issue Purpleguy (other than being left of center politically)....fear.
All of the Obama fear-mongering is working on you.
There is NOTHING to fear EXCEPT an out of control, power hungry government.
If the debt ceiling is not raised there will be reprecussions but it won't be the end of the world. Sheilding the citizens from the reprecussions of insane levels of borrowing and spending does the country no favors.
You want a nanny?....here's the price.
The longer we wait to take our medicine, the worse it will be. The tragedy will be putting this crushing debt on to our children and grandchildren.
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 1:55PM
After 2008's financial meltdown, you think there is nothing to be afraid of? Those of us who work and/or have money saved, a family, a house have responsibilities to care about. We don't need a nanny, but to not have the rug pulled out from under us - again.
No one is saying don't deal with the debt, but u don't go over the cliff complaining you need to build a better airplane. How dumb is that? Why won't Republicans agree to 1 Trillion in tax increases on those who can most afford it along with 3 Trillion in spending cuts?
Link them, in the same bill and stop your bitching and raise the debt ceiling already.
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 2:41PM
........ or is that 3 trillion in new taxes and i Trillion in spending cuts,,,,, what's a trillion? I wonder how many rich people there are? are there enough? why don't we take everything they own! Anybody with more money than me is bound to be evil.......HAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA go away man in white coat........
mames| 7.22.11 @ 3:01PM
Because taxation beyond the enumerations is immoral.
Doctor Right| 7.22.11 @ 4:21PM
"Those of us who work"
You don't.
" and/or have money saved"
You don't.
" a family"
You don't have one.
"a house"
You don't have one.
"... have responsibilities to care about."
You have very little responsibility.
I say this with confidence because NO ONE who has all these things could fail to understand what responsibility really is, and how the Democrat's agenda is the OPPOSITE of responsibility.
USSAlabama| 7.22.11 @ 8:56AM
Honestly, the time is now.
Deciding behind 'closed doors' only means they don't want voters to know what they are doing!
I think they knew what they would agree to do and the closed-door meetings were to figure out how they would couch it so as not to have another 2010 x 100.
All of the pretense that it is hard to figure this out with all of the polls, letters, phone calls and emails they get *telling* them what voters want is enough for us all to demand to recall them.
All.
Rob Roy| 7.22.11 @ 7:49AM
If Conservatives do not get fed up and sit home on election day, they need to elect more candidates like the class of 2010. The old guard like Boehner lack spine and end up selling out to the liberals. Like JD said, I too am sick and tired of big talk and little or no action from the right. All we hear are hacks like Schumer, Durbin and that slime ball Reid. ENOUGH!!!!!
Lmajito| 7.22.11 @ 8:44AM
Rob...heck no...just go to the primaries and vote other folks in...anybody but whoever is in office...either that or march with sticks, picks, stones, bayonets and muskets on dc to remove by force these clowns...if that's what it takes...bring them low
Have you considered| 7.22.11 @ 7:55AM
Until the senate considers and votes upon Cut, Cap and Balance, the mere act of negotiating with Obama is a clear signal that CC&B is not a line that Boehner and the House have drawn in the sand.
Be prepared for betrayal....again.
3 Trillion over 10 years is simply Not Enough in cuts, and I will assume that these "cuts" are reductions in growth, and not real spending cuts at all.
Also, we know that even this paltry sum will never actually be cut.
They have known this was coming for months, yet they allowed themselves to be pushed into a corner, clock ticking. This must have been Boehner's intention all along. I think he believes that this ticking clock will provide the political cover to make a bad deal.
Mr. Speaker, this is not what the Tea Party voted for. You are on the brink of fathering a revolt.
John Hinds| 7.22.11 @ 8:43AM
I think you're right and, BTW, I quit messing around with the TP because they don't seem to have the courage of their convictions, at least not here in central Texas. My emails to my reps tell them to eliminate whole departments and that they are about to lose my vote, for the second time this year. I just don't understand why we conservatives must endure decade after decade of poor leadership. I am against raising the debt ceiling. Period. CC&B doesn't cut enough, fast enough. 22% GDP next year. That's BS. 100bil cut this fiscal year is nothing when the deficit is scheduled to go up 1.5 tril. Obama is the castrati in chief and those who deign to deal with him are girly men too. The house has the power of the purse. What they don't have is the balls to use it.
CrackerHound| 7.22.11 @ 10:46AM
I thought when when all of these Tea Party freshmen were voted in and the Republicans took Congress in a historical landslide that we were sending a CLEAR message. I thought that message was that we want reps who vote our will REGARDLESS of the impact on their legislative careers.
I'll bet term limits would solve that problem.
The emails to my TP representative have been very clear:
DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT....this is the only way to force goverment to stand down. Yes it could get rough but going cold turkey always is.
Only an idiot would believe that we could give government a new line of credit and STILL decrease government spending
Have you considered| 7.22.11 @ 12:04PM
Our founders did not insert term limits in the Constitution for a reason.....namely the fear of the Lame Duck. When the government fears its citizens, there is liberty. At present, the only fear we can instill is the power of the vote.
Here is a sample of Hamilton's words on the subject, found at Federalist 72, which is worth the read in its entirety.
""An avaricious man, who might happen to fill the office, looking forward to a time when he must at all events yield up the emoluments he enjoyed, would feel a propensity, not easy to be resisted by such a man, to make the best use of the opportunity he enjoyed while it lasted, and might not scruple to have recourse to the most corrupt expedients to make the harvest as abundant as it was transitory; though the same man, probably, with a different prospect before him, might content himself with the regular perquisites of his
situation, and might even be unwilling to risk the consequences of an abuse of his opportunities. His avarice might be a guard upon his avarice. Add to this that the same man might be vain or
ambitious, as well as avaricious. And if he could expect to prolong his honors by his good conduct, he might hesitate to sacrifice his
appetite for them to his appetite for gain. But with the prospect before him of approaching an inevitable annihilation, his avarice would be likely to get the victory over his caution, his vanity, or his ambition.""
Brian Mc| 7.22.11 @ 8:08AM
We are led to believe that ineptness is at fault. When, in truth, a deceitful indoctrination of intolerance vs. compassion is foisted upon this Republic in a constant barage of epithets directed at common, decent, hardworking Americans (a.k.a. conservatives) who only want the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness upheld by a pseudo-government and a fawning press that is constatly assaulting all three.
What is the breaking point? When will decency push back against the culture of death? We sit back and send babes into the woods against those who foster the death of babies, progress, exceptionalism, prosperity, the family, wealth and its attainment? Our demise seems apparent since our struggles to organize an impassioned correction to the problem is never better than inept. The press and liberalism claps its collective hands with glee.
CrackerHound| 7.22.11 @ 12:06PM
Brian, I fear you are correct concerning our inept response to a problem that screams complete and total action required....guilty as charged.
To respond correctly would require a great sacrifice on the individual and collective parts and human nature dictates that it doesn't usually happen until they reach a point of desperation. We are heading there but we are not there yet.
A good comparison would be getting you car stuck on a rail crossing with a train approaching. Right now we are trying to get our car off the tracks. We will get to the point where we have to abandon the car and fend for ourselves.
I predict an "American Spring" sometime around 2013-2014 but it will make Egypt's look tame because unlike Egypt...our country is divided to the core.
The world is experiencing a great upheaval and society is unraveling and noone seems to care...none less than Washington D.C.
Bob| 7.22.11 @ 8:11AM
Well Tea Party goofs you've been sold out. Debt-ceiling-yes, revenue enhancements-yes, budget cuts-no-except defense-a big yes to that. Anti-Tea Party Romney frontrunner for nomination. Take that Tea Bags and stick it up your a**.
Mike D.| 7.22.11 @ 8:17AM
F off numbnuts, you going on the same ride we are.
John Navratil| 7.22.11 @ 11:23AM
Mike D.
The problem with Bob isn't that we are in the same boat. It's that he is happy to sink the boat. He cannot see that he's just as dead.
Wayne | 7.22.11 @ 11:46AM
Bob is OBAMA, one and the same.
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 8:34AM
Bobby, Booby, Baby, You Seem All PMS'y & Atwitter This Fine Morning.
Apparently, Today's Rasmussen Polling Got Ya All Zany Crazed This Fine Summer Morning.
"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 24% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -17 "
Take Two Entitlements & Call Your Mommy.
The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On Bobby's Face.
Wipe Your Feet.
Elron H.| 7.22.11 @ 11:29AM
"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 24% of Ron Paul supporters believe in the global, Zionist conspiracy to dilute our drinking water with salt-peter, 41% think that Hitler is still alive and that Germany actually WON World War 2 and, in an alliance with the global, Zionist conspiracy, has been ruling over us ever since, 37% believe that humanity began to be replaced by alien clones beginning with the Roswell incident in 1947, 23% think that the Cubs will win the next 3 World Series, and a small but persistent percentage (approximately 3%) are angry, repressed closet-cases who like to dress up in cowboy costumes and harass attendees at Star Trek conventions. "
The Tea Party Rebellion Sits On Clint's Face (in his dreams!)
Wipe Your Chin.
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 10:33PM
"Elron", please spare us, ok? Minus the porn, ok?
Thanks.
Clint| 7.23.11 @ 12:06PM
Uh Oh !
Tool Job, Referring To His Loser Cubs Again.
Ya Got A Bad Habit Of Hidin' Behind Other's Skirts, Tool Job.
Now, You're Reduced To L.Ron Hubbard
Teaghan| 7.22.11 @ 11:30AM
Eat S*#t Bob.
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 12:31PM
Apparently, The L. Ron Hubbard Poseur Is American Spectator's Resident Nut Bag Negative Attention Craving ObamaBoy Israel Firster Troll, Brooks.
He's Hidin' Behind L.Ron Hubbard's Skirts Now.
The Tea Party Rebellion Has Brooks Even More Upset & Zany Crazed.
Impudens es Obama leno
Elron H.| 7.22.11 @ 4:24PM
...BWAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH...
...catch my breath...
BWAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH...
...Oh, Clinton...You ARE a funny gal!
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 6:08PM
Another Maniacal Episode By ObamaBoy Israel Firster Super-Troll, Brooks.
L.Ron Hubbard Poseur Brooks Can't Seem To Face The American Spectator Readers As Allen Brooks No Mo.
Whaa Da Matta, Allen ?
Clint| 7.23.11 @ 11:24AM
Gee, You Sound Just Like Dr.Reich.
Which Little Sneaky Bastard Is Hidin' Behind L.Ron Hubbard's Skirt.
We'll See.
Bob| 7.22.11 @ 2:56PM
Sorry fellas my partner was rough with me last night, my brains are a bit addled....
Conservative View| 7.22.11 @ 8:41AM
I think we need to listen intently to what is NOT being said. There is a rule in debate that goes back to the ancient Greeks, or perhaps even further. It is called consent by silence. I have heard these professional politicans being asked important questions by the media time and time again, only to have these PP's duck the question. That's consent, consent by silence.
If you listen intently to what is not being said, it is pretty easy to make out that we, the voteing puplic is getting screwed once again. Listen to what the President isn't saying and you will understand what I mean. Listen to how Boehner ducks everything, and you can get my drift.
We have a pair of choices; first, depose the incumbent, second; go for broke and re-elect Obama. This is the package that the PP's have left us with.
USSAlabama| 7.22.11 @ 9:01AM
I've been doing that all along. That's how I figure that they have known what they would do just not how to announce it so as not to cause a revolution.
We need a revolution. Everything -everything- we are seeing in our government at this time is what the Fathers provided us in the Constitution to overthrow.
CrackerHound| 7.22.11 @ 12:10PM
agree completely...it's fairly obvious at this point.
tsd| 7.22.11 @ 8:46AM
It is simple, cut now and suffer a little or keep spending more for longer and suffer more and longer. Well .... unless you live in Washington and think you can just pissing away someone else's money and party on. Time to kick the spend and play group that is left in Washington out until the only ones left get it. Stupid is as stupid does... we can do so much better!
oldfart| 7.22.11 @ 9:02AM
Experience hath shown, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson
What else is there to say?
Perhaps this is why our youth are no longer instructed on the thinking of this great man?
Brian Mc| 7.22.11 @ 9:28AM
I must memorize that middle quote! What a great thought that explains everything we are attempting to reverse.
mames| 7.22.11 @ 3:07PM
Jefferson also understood that every 20 years or so the people might have to take up arms to remove tyrants. Why? Because they would so abuse the law of the land that they become traitors to the Constitution and the limited Republic it strives to ensure. We are long past doing what needs to be done to these thieves and scum in Congress and on the supremes.
David| 7.22.11 @ 9:17AM
I'll say this, knowing all the Liberals believe wholeheartedly in it's truth; All of this is Bush's fault. If he would simply stop running things and let poor, innocent Barrack Osama do his job our country would be fine.
Claire Solt PhD| 7.22.11 @ 9:44AM
A lot of the analysis on this subject is fundamentally wrong. Constitutionally the HR has the power to originate all finances. period. That is because it is the people's house, not because of the Tea Party. All this talk of the President and the Senate's gang of six is irrelevant and completely out of sequence.
We are not getting news analysis from the media. They have turned into amateur fortune tellers. WE would be better off consulting gypsies at the carny. Bill O'Reilly needs to revive the Karnak the Magnificent bit of Jonny Carson and put that hat on the pundits he consults.
George S| 7.22.11 @ 10:22AM
Revenue bills originate in the House. The budget starts with the President. Since he heads the military and the Cabinets, it is his responsibility to determine their budgets, not the House's. The funds to be allocated are constitutionally backed by the Necessary and Proper clause. What the House originates are the bills to raise revenue to fund the budget. That is equivalent to the wife budgeting the household finances, but only the husband can initiate a revenue request with his boss if the budget needs more money. If it doesn't, a revenue request is not necessary.
John Navratil| 7.22.11 @ 11:27AM
George S,
Too true and too ignored. Notice that Obama has been president for thirty months now. The only "plan" he ever present was the one in April that the CBO couldn't score and which was defeated 97-0 in the Senate. It's his plan NOT to plan. He's much more comfortable governing in crisis mode when, having presented nothing, he maintains no responsibility.
WHERE IS HIS PLAN?
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 1:59PM
Point to where in the Constitution the President submits any budget of any kind to Congress ... I can point to where in the Constitution the House of Representatives originates funding for the government (Article I) ... It is a fallacy that the President has to submit so much as a piece of paper as a budget. I'm surprised you want the President to usurp the Constitution's prescribed authority for Congress... Don't you believe in the Constitution now?
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 2:46PM
...... the President speaks to me in my sleep you know.....
John Navratil| 7.22.11 @ 5:07PM
Purpleguy,
Do you know why it is called a Budget AUTHORITY. It's because the President as the chief of the executive branch spends the money. If the executive doesn't tell Congress what's needed Congress can't provide it. Would you prefer the Congress do the budget without the President?
Oh, wait! They already do. And then they tell him he has to spend it. You are so right! Obama should be happy to get what they give him.
Doctor Right| 7.22.11 @ 4:30PM
Are you a moron??? Don't bother answering, I already know that you are.
How about Article I, section 9, clause 7, you dim-wit:
"No money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time."
Did you read that, genius?
George S| 7.22.11 @ 8:28PM
From the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 (31 USC 1105):
"(a) On or after the first Monday in January but not later than the first Monday in February of each year, the President shall submit a budget of the United States Government for the following fiscal year. Each budget shall include a budget message and summary and supporting information. The President shall include in each budget the following:..."
It has yet to be ruled unconstitutional (and why would it?).
Have you considered| 7.22.11 @ 2:02PM
I believe the submission of a budget by the President comports with Article 2, Sec 3 as follows: ""He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient;""
This is not binding upon the Congress.
Insofar as Congress' authority, I would argue that Congress and only congress can appropriate by law, funds to be drawn from the treasury and they dictate their use, unless, as is typically done now, broad authority is granted to the president by law.
This targeted ability is why Congress can de-fund NPR, Planned Parenthood or the Libyan war, over the objections of the president. He can veto it, but they have the power of override.
The authority to Enact Laws is Art 1, Sec 1"" All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.""
The power of the purse is here at Art1, Sec 8:
""The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts...""
Art1, Sec9: ""No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law; ""
The Necessary and Proper clause is the clause that grants the power to enact the laws pursuant to the granted powers.
""To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.""
Here are a portion of Hamilton's words found in Federalist #33 on the Necessary and Proper clause: The capitalization and emphasis is in the original.
""What is a power, but the ability or faculty of doing a thing? What is the ability to do a thing, but the power of employing the MEANS necessary to its execution? What is a LEGISLATIVE power, but a power of making LAWS? What are the MEANS to execute a LEGISLATIVE power but LAWS? What is the power of laying and collecting taxes, but a LEGISLATIVE POWER, or a power of MAKING LAWS, to lay and collect taxes? What are the proper means of executing such a power,
but NECESSARY and PROPER laws?
This simple train of inquiry furnishes us at once with a test by which to judge of the true nature of the clause complained of. It conducts us to this palpable truth, that a power to lay and collect
taxes must be a power to pass all laws NECESSARY and PROPER for the
execution of that power; and what does the unfortunate and culumniated provision in question do more than declare the same
truth, to wit, that the national legislature, to whom the power of laying and collecting taxes had been previously given, might, in the
execution of that power, pass all laws NECESSARY and PROPER to carry
it into effect? I have applied these observations thus particularly to the power of taxation, because it is the immediate subject under
consideration, and because it is the most important of the authorities proposed to be conferred upon the Union. But the same
process will lead to the same result, in relation to all other powers declared in the Constitution. And it is EXPRESSLY to execute these powers that the sweeping clause, as it has been affectedly
called, authorizes the national legislature to pass all NECESSARY and PROPER laws. If there is any thing exceptionable, it must be sought for in the specific powers upon which this general
declaration is predicated. The declaration itself, though it may be chargeable with tautology or redundancy, is at least perfectly harmless.""
LMajito| 7.22.11 @ 11:51AM
o'reilly is a joke and has been for a while...an apologist disguised in 'looking after the folks'...that glee last monday replaying the wh spokesman stating that o'reilly was a voice of moderation...
this clown as well as foxnews channel is slowly becoming another parrot set replying and requoting all the liberal media nonsense...who gives a rats tail what the nyt prints? only those fools in nyc who think the whole universe rotates around manhattan...sorry but what began as a good experiment has turned into a shadow and its no longer worth to watch...
darcy| 7.22.11 @ 2:17PM
FWIW, I cancelled my cable subscription last month. It all started (my disaffection) when after the first Obama SOTU address Charles Krauthammer sang Obama's praises and was egregious in his criticisms of Bobby Jindal -- it's been all downhill since then with FOX, and frankly I don't need their input on anything!
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 3:04PM
Well well well, just one more good reason to add to the list of why I'm glad we got rid of t.v.!
R Martin| 7.22.11 @ 9:52AM
The most immediate problem is the debt ceiling and "default", or at least the government running out of cash. Spending cuts and tax reform are critically important issues, but they can be addressed over a longer term and, one hopes, with a different congress, a different president.
Therefore, why don't the House Republicans simply pass a short term debt limit increase with no strings attached and let the Senate and president decide if they want to push the country into credit market crisis, or withhold checks from grandma.
This seems so simple and so obvious that it underscores the sad truth that the sitting legislators who got us into this mess over so many decades of mismanagement are not the ones to get us out of it.
darcy| 7.22.11 @ 2:25PM
The government receives in revenues about 60% of what it spends; the remainder is borrowed. The government, if it CHOSE, could easily fund the military, SS, and the principle and interest on its debt with the 60%. We are not going to default -- unless Obama instructs the Treasury Secretary not to pay on the debt, and instead siphons off the 60% of revenues the government receives to his selected, favored "groups," like the EPA, Dept. of Education, and well, you get the idea.
RT| 7.22.11 @ 9:57AM
Boehner must go.
Mike D.| 7.22.11 @ 10:03AM
The comrade in the whitehouse must go first and foremost, then concentrate on the Rinos later. That HAS to be the first mission in '12.
John Navratil| 7.22.11 @ 11:28AM
Mike D.
Yup! Scoop up the poop before shampooing the carpet.
RT| 7.22.11 @ 4:01PM
True, true, true.
"Obama lied and the economy died"
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 4:39PM
Mike D.,
Try telling that to Hauschild and the rest of them!
Elron H.| 7.22.11 @ 10:05AM
Dear Mr. Boehner,
If you'd like to join thousands of other Ohioans in the unemployment line next year, then make the deal.
Sincerely (From the Mother Ship, partying with Tom Cruise)
Elron H.
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 10:30AM
Go Feed The Squirrels In The Park, Poseur.
Elron H.| 7.22.11 @ 11:19AM
Hey, everybody! Look!!!
The "Paulie-girl" is here!!!
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 11:33AM
Hey,everybody! Look !!!
The Little Negative Attention Craving Poseur ObamaBoy Israel Firster is here !!!
Apparently, You Lost Your Nuts & Are Havin' Trouble Feedin' The Squirrels In The Park.
Elron H.| 7.22.11 @ 11:41AM
Gee...that was clever...
And stop thinking about my nuts, please. It's bad enough that you're always wanting to do violent, sexual things to my a**.
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 12:15PM
I'm Thinkin' You're Nuts, Little Negative Attention Craving ObamaBoy Israel Firster Troll.
Aaaaand, Don't Blame Me, Because The Squirrels Ate Your Nuts.
Aaaaand, Stop Hidin' Behind Elron Hubbard's Skirt.
You ObamaBoy Israel Firsters Got A Bad Habit Of Hiding Behind Other's Skirts & Gettin' Others To Do Your Fightin' For Ya.
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates
Quid rides equus asinus
Elron H.| 7.22.11 @ 4:34PM
Yes, I know you're thinking about my nuts...it's deeply disturbing.
Come on, Clint...There must be a local branch of Log Cabin Republicans that you could join! You could share ideas and make good...friends...with other like-minded guys.
And...if you live in New York, maybe you'll meet your future Husband!
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 6:18PM
But, You Ain't Got No Nuts Obama Eunuch. Allen Brooks.
Uh Oh !
Now, L.Ron Hubbard Poseur Brooks Breaks Into His Queer Mode.
Now Remember Brooks. Don't You & Obama Go Scarin' The Horses.
Clint| 7.23.11 @ 11:29AM
Uh Oh !
Now, Yer Soundin' Like Tool Job.
We're Tracking The Trail Of The L.Ron Hubbard Poseur Little Sneaky Bastard.
Clint| 7.23.11 @ 12:13PM
Dr.Reich & Tool Job Are L.Ron Hubbard Suspects.
Queer Talk & Post Times Are Making Them Suspects.
Don't Leave Town ,You Two.
Elron H| 7.23.11 @ 8:59PM
I'm smarter than all of you.
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.22.11 @ 10:20AM
If you adopted a flat tax this would be over in three years. Everyone worries about the "rich" not paying taxes, how about the forty eight percent that pays none at all.
Sans that, better listen to Clint on matters of economy. Thanks for the quotes Oldfarte, and to the guy speaking of revolution, your wish will be many others command.
Warrior| 7.22.11 @ 11:07AM
Ruling class will never accept a flat tax. It would neuter their pit bulls at the IRS and remove a tremendous base of power from those that live for power. Look at this circus of misdirection. While everyone is crying default and tax hikes as the headline for all media. We still have an illegal war being fought in Libya, increasing power for the Taliban, Watergate equivalent cover-up on Fast and Furious, continued invasion on our southern border, continued implementation on a legally declared unConstitutional law called Obamacare, and a complicit media attempting to get the liberal Romney nominated to ensure the road to complete Socialism then Marxism marches on.
Keep being distracted while the deal that was always going to occur takes up the headlines for the next 10 days or so.
Elron H.| 7.22.11 @ 11:51AM
Listen to Clint?
...Naaaah...
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 12:19PM
Es stultior asino Brooks.
Elron H.| 7.22.11 @ 5:12PM
Can you ever make a comment that DOESN'T mention some form of the word "ass"??
Your sub-conscious is speaking, Clint...Maybe you should yield to your desires?
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 6:22PM
But, All The American Spectator Readers Recognize You, As A Complete Ass, Allen Brooks.
My Desire Is To Kick Your Ass, Allen "Asshole " Brooks.
Elron H| 7.23.11 @ 9:02PM
I'm smarter than all of you.
I'm smarter than Brooks too.
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.22.11 @ 12:56PM
Ron Paul has a handle on the economic situation and the remedy. Clint is for all practical purposes the mouthpiece
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 1:38PM
Michael, As A Tea Party Patriot & Registered Republican,Who Along With 42 Percent of Tea Party Patriots, Support Dr.Ron Paul As Our Tea Party Co-Favorite & Have Refused To Be The Useful Dupe Tools Of The RINO-CINO Ruling Elite & Israel Firster Agendist Smear Merchants & Done Our Own Homework , I Have The Right, As A Real Conservative & Patriot To Present The Real Dr. Ron Paul & Not The Slandering Cartoon Image That These RINO-CINO Ruling Elite & Israel Firster Agendists Attempt To Sucker Sell To Busy Workin' & Parenting American Voters, Who Are Hard Pressed To Research & Counterpunch The Oppositional Propaganda.
As An American Freeman,You Support Your Candidates & We Tea Party Patriots Will Support Ours.
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.
Carpe Diem.
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 3:24PM
Oh, indeed he is the mouthpiece for the man. And not only him, who is in agreement with the other whack job he's a mouthpiece for, Michael Sheuer, who believes the following. After reading this, I realized where he gets his talking points. He's a clone of this sick pervert who says:
"Israel-Firsters, Evangelical leaders, and Neoconservatives: Each of the above problems is worsened by these U.S.-citizen-dominated but fundamentally anti-U.S. and Islam-hating entities; indeed, they also are fundamentally anti-Israel entities. Safely ensconced in North America with family, employment, and bank accounts safe, these groups champion a maximalist position for Israel vis-a-vis the Palestinians; hunger for America to be at war with Iran — a non-threat to the United States; and work for an ever-increasing level of Western hatred for Muslims. These individuals are both war-lovers and cowards, ready to push others into fighting and dying for their selfish objectives, while they remain unctuously self-righteous and personally safe far from the front. Together these three groups are one of the main reasons America is facing an endless war with Islam, and the loyalty of each to a foreign nation — and their effective lobbying for that nation — will drive increases in defense and intelligence spending."
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 3:56PM
Zany Crazed Fanatic Israel Firster Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie-Stbil-Sandy Joins The Fray.
Smoke This Israel Firster Neo-Chickenhawk Apocalyptic Crank Lady.
" Support for Ron Paul Runs High Among Members Of the Military.
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.), an official candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, is extremely popular with members of the U.S. military. On July 19th, Paul held his “Ready for Ames” Money Bomb Radio Marathon, raising more than $550,000 from supporters to expand the Texas Congressman’s “first-class campaign in Iowa.” It’s likely that more than a few of the contributors to Paul’s “Ready for Ames” money bomb were men and women in uniform.
In fact, Paul’s popularity is so high among U.S. service members that the Texas Congressman’s presidential campaign has received more money from U.S. soldiers than any other candidate in the 2012 presidential race."
Aaaand,
"Michael Scheuer, the former head analyst at the CIA’s bin Laden unit, has weighed in on the controversy surrounding the Republican Presidential debate held Tuesday May 15, when Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) stated that American foreign policy was a “contributing factor” in the 9/11 attacks.
“They attack us because we’ve been over there; we’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years.” Paul said. He was then denounced by former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani who said it was “absurd” and that he’d “never” heard such a thing before demanding a retraction.
Scheuer, who was the head analyst at the CIA’s bin Laden unit, Alec Station, and authored the books Through Our Enemies Eyes and Imperial Hubris, said “I thought Mr. Paul captured it the other night exactly correctly. This war is dangerous to America because it’s based, not on gender equality, as Mr. Giuliani suggested, or any other kind of freedom, but simply because of what we do in the Islamic World – because ‘we’re over there,’ basically, as Mr. Paul said in the debate.”
Scheuer also agreed with Dr. Paul’s statement in the debate that the war in Iraq was a diversion from capturing or killing Osama bin Laden and that bin Laden was “delighted” that the U.S. is occupying Iraq as it has become a training ground and recruiting tool for new jihadists joining the movement."
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.
Carpe Diem.
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 4:26PM
God's Truth marches on. Praise His Holy Name.
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 6:26PM
Aaaand, Nooooo Judging Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie-Sybil-Sandy.
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 7:19PM
Well, and certainly not a man who believes in the above ranting psychopath, Micheal Sheuer, hater of Christians and Jews and lover of Islamists, hmm?
And certainly not a man who tells a Christian to go to Hell, but is a friend to the Papist cultists.
And I know you are too mentally ill to read anyone's posts, but once again, I am not anyone but me, Margie.
You do know that liars and slanderers and bearers of false witness against others go to Hell, so why do you persist in same?
Clint| 7.23.11 @ 11:32AM
Smoke This Zany Crazed Israel Firster Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie-Sybil-Sandy.
Rasmussen Poll:
Obama 41%, Ron Paul 37%
Only The RINO-CINo Mittens Romney Is Closer.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Ramping Up For 2012 Now.
Carpe Diem.
Margie| 7.23.11 @ 2:08PM
"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!" Is. 5:20.
Clint| 7.23.11 @ 3:58PM
King James Bible
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Uh ! Uh ! Uh !
No Judging Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie-Sybil-Sandy.
Margie| 7.23.11 @ 11:04PM
Imbecile. You have no understanding of that Scripture.
And in fact, you judge Christians while you blaspheme the Name of Christ, yet you don't even recognize what you are doing.
Try this on for size, liar:
"Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, matters pertaining to this life!" 1 Cor. 6:3.
I judge you as a liar and slanderer of Christ's children.
Repent before it's too late, because right now, you're already in Hell~ you have only to physically die, and then you will have no more chance left.
Clint| 7.24.11 @ 9:39AM
You're Fanatic Anti-Catholic Biblical Eisegesis Will Never Be Real Christianity, Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie-Sybil-Sandy.
Romans 2:1-3
Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?
Margie| 7.24.11 @ 1:30PM
Oh, I agree with God's Words.
Since I do not practice the pure hatred that you do toward your fellow man, nor do I slander and repeatedly lie about anyone~ I am fully authorized by the God of the Bible to judge you for what you are doing.
And indeed~ you are not going to escape His Judgment for so doing!
Jesus Christ is Lord!
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 2:00PM
Why don't they pay any tax? Do you know why? Do you care why?
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 2:47PM
ribit, ribit
Clint| 7.22.11 @ 3:26PM
Do Your Homework, Lazy Sloth Liberal Negative Attention Craving PimpleGuy.
" Tea Party Patriots first ratified its bylaws in February 2009 and was incorporated in Woodstock, Georgia, that June, self-identifying as a 501(c)(4). Under standard charitable organizational practices, TPP would have filed a 990 last April or (with an IRS extension) by November 15, 2010. It didn't. Instead, Randy Lewis, a spokesman for the group, says that TPP has declared a May 31 end to its fiscal year. This means that under IRS rules, TPP won't have to file its first tax form for the 2009 tax year until April 15, 2011, more than two years after its inception.
There's nothing illegal about what TPP is doing"
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.
Carpe Diem.
howard lohmuller| 7.22.11 @ 10:48AM
The best deal for Conservatives and Republicans in general, of the 4 plans most discussed, is the half trillion plugged by Krauthammer. It cuts half a trillion in spending now and raises the debt ceiling a half trillion which will carry the government at least another 5 months. During that time the public will learn more about Obama's plans to spend as much as possible and Republicans' plans to cut spending to manageable levels.
The real chance to solve the financial crisis will come with the 2012 elections. If Republicans win the Senate and Presidency, they can then cut spending, get SS and Medicare on a sustainable growth path, and increase production of oil, natural gas and nuclear power which will bring down spending to about 20% of GDP, a sustainable level.
Warrior| 7.22.11 @ 11:09AM
Republicans controlled the senate, the house and the presidency for six years and were only a little less liberal than todays progressives. I refuse to live in this fantasy world. Our elected officials are no better than Parliament of the 1770's.
oldfart| 7.22.11 @ 11:53AM
Read my quotes from Thomas Jefferson above. If we do not take control of our freedoms - we will have none.
darcy| 7.22.11 @ 2:38PM
This is overly, almost naively, optimistic: "During that time the public will learn more about Obama's plans to spend as much as possible and Republicans' plans to cut spending to manageable levels."
Which public are you talking about? The public that is spoon-fed DNC talking points by the NYT and CNN, and even FOX? The public who will be distracted by the latest hot crime story? The public glued to American Idol?
Which public, exactly, is it that will choose to become informed while life "seems" to be back to normal?
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 11:47AM
Some of these comments are the typical MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY bullexcrement, from do-nothings, know-nothings ACTING STUPIDLY. The facts are that [yes Republicans previously have partially facilitated Democrats historical jacking up the federal defecit/debt by providing their governmental welfare] there are essentially two choices [independents must choose and third parties don't work], so all of you arm-chaired Patton Presidents should wake up and smell the truthful roses of this situation and choose/decide. Do you want Obama/Democrats continuing to provide their governmental pablum to you and paying for same in triplicate as taxpayers; or do you want to vote instead for Republicans [Rinos and all] who will [if given a substantial majority] now/finally begin to carry out the wishes of the taxpayers [as beautifully expressed by our beloved fellow patriots aka the tea party movement] and reduce the size of government, reduce governmental spending and get the government off of businesses backs [so that the economy can grown and thrive once again, after being destroyed by these domestic terrorists aka Democrats]. USE THE BRAIN THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU, DECIDE WHICH CHOICE YOU PREFER AND [HOPEFULLY] VOTE REPUBLICAN IN NOVEMBER OF NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.22.11 @ 1:09PM
The brain I was born with is substantially superior to yours methane boy. Unlike your 302 cells (?) mine is not temporally challenged and oblivious to the fact that the R’s and RINO’s are the ones that allowed this to happen. You are the one lacking sense, you are the one that has no perception of reality, and quite frankly your do the same thing and hope for different results is proof that you are possibly the dullest knife in the drawer.
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 3:19PM
I guess Sarah Palin must lack sense too, then. She's the one who agrees with us, that the Republican party's platform is the best our country has, and that third party isn't the way to go now.
She's the one you admire, right?
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.22.11 @ 3:54PM
She (Palin) said "Do not raise the debt ceiling." And yes, I admire her. I amend my "dullest knife in the drawer" about flatulance, YOU are now the dullest knife in the drawer.
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 4:23PM
Well, since you aren't God, it doesn't matter what you think or say, Michael.
Raising the debt ceiling has nothing to do with my comment as to your haughty, arrogant and untruthful post.
You say if we vote Republican we are insane.. yet you back the one person who agrees with us, and try and use her AGAINST us.
I'd say you're insane. Sarah IS a Republican, and she IS running in the Republican party.
You just want to try and look oh so holier-than-the-rest-of-us!
LOL.
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 4:13PM
First, let me state that I was not specifically referring to YOU, but since you want to get personal, so be it! You are either stupid, youthfully don't know your ASH FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND or some combination of the two. Your lack of a substantial argument-points proves same [the Republicans may be flawed in many ways as RINOS etc, but they for the most part are NORMAL, HARD WORKING, RELIGIOUS, TAXPAYING, DEDICATED, CITIZENS, and not the DOMESTIC TERRORIST/RADICALS THAT DEMOCRATS ARE AND HAVE BEEN FOR DECADES (whose only desire is to destroy this country); Democrats ARE the sole reason why this country is inside the economic toilet bowl presently; true, Republicans didn't have the majority numbers to effectively stop them from destroying us, but any monkey such as you should be able to intelligently tell the difference between the two parties; and NO, your ROSS PEROTISM won't work and never has]. It's amazing to me that someone like you has the time to blog/comment all day as you obviously do, instead of having to devote your time/energy to an employment, to supporting your family, etc. Are you wasting your employer's salary that you receive by being constantly online blogging, or are you possibly a governmental welfare recipient (any employee/business owner would simply not have the time/energy to spend blogging all day as you constantly do). What's your deal, is mommie and daddy financially supporting you, which allows you to spend all day on your computer?????
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.22.11 @ 7:03PM
I have a private Investagation agency, I have rental property, I am the veterans service officer for my VFW post, and I am about to start teaching again this fall. As far as "mommy and daddy" my father, a disabled veteran, passed last year (I quit teaching in 2006 to take care of him) my mother is still living and I take care of her from the home I set up for handicapped access. I worked as a body guard and bouncer till I was sixty: I did this for celebreties and polititians. I quit that three years ago. It is my sincere hope that someday I will get to meet you in person.
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 9:20PM
Dear Michael,
That is impressive, and I respect you for who you are and what you've done.
I even appreciate your posts most of the time. I just do not get your anger and sheer vitriol toward those of us who will vote 'R' rather than see the Obamination get re elected.
I know you're one of the good guys, but must you despise us?
In all sincerity,
signed,
"The Dullest Knife in the Drawer."
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.22.11 @ 9:39PM
I dispise those who have done this to my country and I abhor those who will be so niave that they will return to office those who have been complicent in the rape of our economy and the defamation of our Constitution.
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 10:16PM
Michael,
Please, sir. I have not done this to your (and mine) country.
You spoke of your accomplishments, and I have none to match them. But I can speak to you of my Father's accomplishments, because he raised me to respect and love this country, and I think (humbly of course), that I inherited his patriotism. He's a lifelong part time police officer, now Captain at age 70, a vetern of the Korean war, and a lifelong volunteer fireman. He also worked at a well known cosmetics industry, full time, for about 40 years as a foreman, only retiring early due to an accident where he almost lost his hand.
Guess what, he's also a lifelong Democrat. Needless to say, we part company on political issues, but he has told me that he will vote for a Republican as President, despised Clinton and despises Obama. His Dad was a staunch Dem from upstate NY.
My Mom's a lifelong housewife, who raised 4 of us, while Dad did the work outside the home. A typical American family in those days.
I'm a Rush conservative, and I consider myself a Reagan conservative, too. Believe me when I say that I despise the Left as much as you do. I also despise weak Republicans. You have no idea how angry I get at them, and do not like it when I feel that I have to pull the lever for the Republican nominee that I didn't want to see win. I did NOT want McCain to be the nominee. I really wanted Fred Thompson to win it, but to my utter dismay, he dropped out of the race.
Can you understand how I, and many others pulled the lever for McCain ONLY because we wanted a Republican administration to be in office, rather than Obama?
Judging from your posts, it doesn't seem like you want to understand that, and you are willing to throw us under that old bus and classify us as just as horrible and wicked as the Left.
Do you truly and honestly believe it's the Republicans who've cause the country to become what it is today, with this horrid mess we're in?
We must disagree on that, although I definitely am in agreement that if they were stronger and never allowed all the perverse political correctness ever happen in the first place, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess.. but truly~ it IS the Left that takes the ownership.
Sir, if it comes to it and there were a civil war~ would it be between the Left and the Right~ or would it be between those who say they are the "true" Right, like you~ in other words, would you be fighting against me?
In other words, are we truly enemies politically?
I would sincerely hope not.
God bless ya.
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 10:19PM
Oops, make that age 79, he'll be 80 in Feb, still working as Captain.
And I am just a lowly person whom God rescued at a young age, and worked to help Christian missionaries for a couple of decades, then I got Married late, and started my own ebay business. I worked for 10 yrs. helping to run a 2 person business as well before that.
Nothing much to speak of, but I LOVE this country, too.
blackwatch| 7.23.11 @ 1:55AM
then man up and go fire the first shot at those rapists. The time is right--every revolution needs a leader.
Oh too soon for you?
Well then you are blowing smoke in a winner takes all election process. it's a two party system ONLY unless we change the rules---and the Demon Party will never give up that advantage because they know for a fact that they are only 20% of the population. They vote in a bloc and carry their moderate toadies with them to squeak across the finish line. Conservatives don't stand an ice cubes chance in hell unless they TAKE OVER the GOP from the INSIDE. Yes there is work to do--but hold your nose and vote GOP--or go start the damn insurrection as it looks like it bullets or ballots...
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.23.11 @ 9:24AM
The only person that exhibits more stupidity than someone who elects over and over the same people hoping to get different results is the dunce that thinks it is the revolutionary (and not the tyrant) that will fire the first shot. We will all be able to claim self defense when and if the shooting starts.
Margie| 7.23.11 @ 2:05PM
Michael,
Only the truly hard of heart would make his enemy those who vote Republican because they want the best for our country.
Only the truly cold hearted could see those of us who do not want to hand the reigns of power over to Obama and the Left by voting Republican as traitors, and "stupid" and "the dullest knives in the drawer".
A cold heart, indeed. Is this who you really want to be?
Margie| 7.24.11 @ 1:38AM
He's a flaming hypocrite who couldn't care less. A smoke-blower, indeed.
Trinacria| 7.22.11 @ 2:36PM
Oldefarte:
I'm as big a supporter of the TEA Party as anyone and, if you'll pardon the minor digression, I, too, consider myself a fellow Oldefarte. That being said, I have no illusion that the TEA Party is anything more than today's useful means to an end. Thousands of years of politcal history have clearly demonstrated that when the rebels begin to enjoy the privileges of rulership, they begin to exhibit the same behaviors against which the rebelled. So too, will be the case with the TEA Party, should they eventually achieve majority status. They will claim a fundamental allegiance to the principles that inspired their rebellion, but will eventually betray those principles and rationalize their actions by claiming that they were based on exigent circumstances. Like cheating on one's spouse, such betrayals become easier and easier until they become standard behavior.
So - for now - I support them; but I ain't gonna marry 'em.
darcy| 7.22.11 @ 2:43PM
This must be what Jefferson was alluding to when he commented about watering, from time to time, the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 4:33PM
Trinacria: I understand you great point, but respctfully/partially disagree as to conclusion of their activities. My opinion from many, many years of political observations etc is that previously, most average persons was so busy working 24-7 in order to earn income, support their family, devote any spare time to their childrens' activities/schoolwork etc, that they did not have any spare time left over from same to become involved in political activities [or sometimes not even to be aware of political happenings other than from access to news of same]; and as such voted for candidates and hoped that same would represent them and their wishes within state/national governments. Adversely, these elected politicians traditionally went off to DC and realized that no one was watching them and they were un-managed and free to do whatever in hades they wished to do. In effect, they became corruptively devoted to themselves instead of to those whom elected them to political office. Both political parties are guilty of this, but Democrats are far more guilty than Republicans [as D's have traditionally held majority numbers and political power more so than R's]. As such, these D's realized that the much greater number of voters came from the impoverished classes of citizens, and that these voters were in great need of governmental benefits upon which to live on. These D's therefore began catering politically to this class to the detriment of the income producing class that had to taxfully pay for said governmental benefits given to indigents. Ratchet forward to today and to the impending economic default resulting from decades of these D's legislating welfare [granted with minority R's facilitating]. Today's tea partiers are those taxpayer-citizens who have simply had enough of this welfare providing by D's at their expense. They do not want to hold political office but only want their elected officials to be rightfully beholden to their wishes [since they're paying the tab for same]. That is where I partially [and respectfully] disagree with your conclusion!!!!!!!!
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 11:47AM
Some of these comments are the typical MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY bullexcrement, from do-nothings, know-nothings ACTING STUPIDLY. The facts are that [yes Republicans previously have partially facilitated Democrats historical jacking up the federal defecit/debt by providing their governmental welfare] there are essentially two choices [independents must choose and third parties don't work], so all of you arm-chaired Patton Presidents should wake up and smell the truthful roses of this situation and choose/decide. Do you want Obama/Democrats continuing to provide their governmental pablum to you and paying for same in triplicate as taxpayers; or do you want to vote instead for Republicans [Rinos and all] who will [if given a substantial majority] now/finally begin to carry out the wishes of the taxpayers [as beautifully expressed by our beloved fellow patriots aka the tea party movement] and reduce the size of government, reduce governmental spending and get the government off of businesses backs [so that the economy can grown and thrive once again, after being destroyed by these domestic terrorists aka Democrats]. USE THE BRAIN THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU, DECIDE WHICH CHOICE YOU PREFER AND [HOPEFULLY] VOTE REPUBLICAN IN NOVEMBER OF NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wayne | 7.22.11 @ 11:56AM
You are strong on insults, but your defense of the GOP is very weak. It keeps boiling down to "they are not the Democrats". By demanding more than that we are not being STUPID, we are being CONCERNED.
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 4:46PM
True and granted, but my points are that there are only two viable parties [a crossroads represents either going left or right, no in-between]. I use wording to only WAKE PEOPLE UP to the apparent fact that they are not seeing the truth. The Democratic party has become radicalized, and is no longer yo' momma's former party [their last interparty battle reprenseted the Clintons against the Kennedys and the latter won by electing Obama instead of Hillary]. All politicans are akin to used car salesmen and stink worst than garbage collectors, but we have to vote for semi-normal, rational types who vaguely resenble our own value systems. Do you agree with Democrats' favoring of a welfare state [with taxpayers' paying the frieght]; with their pro-homosexual marriage agenda; with their gutting our military to shift governmental funding from same to welfare; etc? Is that what you believe? If so, then vote for Democrats; but please don't go the route of NOT BEING ABLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES AS TO POLITICAL PHILOSOPHIES!!!!!!!
Margie| 7.24.11 @ 1:37AM
They don't give a rat's rear end as to your point, Oldefarte.
They just want to believe they're sooo much better than you, somehow.
Yet they're the ones who'll stay home and allow Obama to get re elected.
Such stinking hypocrisy. It makes me sick.
Warrior| 7.22.11 @ 12:04PM
Your assumption, and I'm not sure what you are historically basing this on, is that once elected, the Republicans will carry out the wishes of their constituencies. You are giving us the classic "Hobson's choice."
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 4:51PM
No, you fail to understand my point. All politicians are used car salesmen types, but R's and D's are distinctly different. I'm saying, to get to where we all want to go, you first should elect Republicans [RINOS and all] over Democrats, then begin the process of weeding out the RINOS from the true conservatives. If you allow/vote for D's, you allow Pilosi, Reid etc to control them once they reach DC and then you get their WELFARECARE, NONSTIUMULUS, GOVERNMENTAL DEFECITS/DEBT etc!!!!
tsd| 7.22.11 @ 12:05PM
Agreed, fix what we can as fast as we can. We have a 2 party system, that is it. A third does not and will not work. Get the party in power that we can improve and work from there. Short of burning everything down and hoping for the best (which would be far worse than any of us can imagine) we must as was said earlier "get rid of the poop first and then clean the carpet" (great line!).
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 3:13PM
"Wake up and smell the truthful roses".
Priceless.
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 4:56PM
AMEN, now you're talking!!!!!!!!
Margie| 7.22.11 @ 5:08PM
If they don't smell the truthful roses and vote 'R'~ well, maybe they are looking forward to "Barak Hussien Obama, Mmm, Mmm, GOOD!"
He wasn't good enough the first time around, I guess.
Wayne | 7.22.11 @ 11:52AM
Why is Boehner negotiating? The House passed a proposal with moderate cuts to increase the debt limits. Its now the Democrats problem not the GOP. By continuing to negotiate, the GOP undermines itself no matter what the negotiation finally brings.
ncatty| 7.22.11 @ 12:49PM
Correct.
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 5:00PM
Correct/agreed! the Rs have their CCB on the table, which the Ds have given the finger to. The Rs should simply walk away and tell the Ds you have tow choices: CCB or McConnell's default. The Rs have sone their job now and should be held accountable if economic tornados occur!!!
james wilson| 7.22.11 @ 12:06PM
Conservatives, and even Republicans, need to stop speaking of deals and cuts and policies over ten years. This is only a device for politicians to help them avoid dealing with next year.
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 12:13PM
So the preferred choice is economic armageddon because the kids don't play well together? Stocks and bonds, aka, your 401k and IRAs won't be worth a d*. Airports will shut down without the safety personnel to staff them; We'll pay hundreds of billions to the Chinese for them to spend on Infrastructure; but you can dream up your own list of bad things that will happen if the US defaults on it's debt. The fact that a budget needs to be hammered out and spending cuts and increases in taxes is at issue has nothing to do with defaulting on what you already owe.
Get the d* debt ceiling raised before we're all panhandling for a living - what a bunch of G* d* Idiots playing with this kind of fire. And you people encourage them? Your 401k's and IRAs Social Security checks, businesses and jobs should be the first to go, if you encourage the doubters to let us slide over the cliff.
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 2:50PM
I am so confused,,,, what's the difference between a debt ceiling and default,,,, shhhh, what is that you say Chosen One,,,,, you're the difference? You tell Little Timmy what checks to write? You can screw anyone you want?
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 5:02PM
Yes, your favor Ds broght this on themselves after decades of welfaric governmental spending, and they should rightfully be blamed for the consequences!!!!
Ken (Old Texican)| 7.22.11 @ 12:31PM
Folks,
I have skipped over a lot of fine insights in comments above.
I haven't commented on this "debt ceiling" mess.
NOW I SHALL.
House Republicans just say no! Make Obama prioritize. Shut down all the borrowing and let HIM decide what checks to withold!
If you do not, you may be bringing on the next revolution.
Duh.
Is that simple enough?
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 3:44PM
Let them start with your state ... perhaps you want something more democratic?
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.22.11 @ 3:49PM
Good call, Ken. Unless Bonehead sells the farm, which may not clear the house, what you say may come to pass. I hope so.
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 5:03PM
Sounds great to me , Ken! Maybe Hurricane Default will WAKE PEOPLE UP!!!!!
tsd| 7.22.11 @ 12:36PM
It amazes me when people talk like they know what will happen if we do nothing. Do we need big brother to do everything for us...no. Economic armageddon... I do not think so, that is just the cry of the liberal who wants to keep spending. The only thing that stays the same is that things will change, things will change. Minnesota did not implode and they shut down for 2 weeks before the Lib Gov got some religion. No BS, cut the spending now and we will be better off for it. Simple, proven time and again on any scale. Stocks and Bonds are just a betting game for people with extra cash, 401K and IRA are just financial tools... all of which are just being lent to you by the government, regulated and called back if they overspend and need the money for they're game board. We can either chose to be conservative with how we live in our society or we spend our future like drunken sailors on leave.... I vote conservative.
Purpleguy| 7.22.11 @ 3:49PM
No one really knows, duh, since we've never been stupid enough to try it. Minnesota does not safeguard the world's currency, police he world, duh, so the comparison is nowhere near valid. 2 weeks of no paychecks for the public workers in Minnesota - and you don't give a d*? You vote conservative - did you miss the drunken sailors that had the Presidency (Bush), House and Senate who ran up all this debt?
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 5:04PM
Right on....BULLSEYE!!!!!!!!
Who No's?| 7.22.11 @ 12:39PM
Just say no.
Saying it is so makes it so---NOT!
Those who know, don’t say.
Those who say, don’t know.
And, then there’s Say’s Law!
The problem with learning to talk, is that you never shut up; or, that you are almost always being bombarded with OTHER people’s words, as THEY speak---whether in actual spoken words, typed ones, TV images or movies that are simply flamboyantly embellished words, etc, etc, etc.
Why do you think we all relish, so much, vacations, the best of which are in nature, free from WORDS and human images?
“Words, words, words! I’m so sick of words!” Thanks, Eliza.
Actions speak louder than words. The pen (words) is mightier than the sword (action).
How to reconcile our dichotomous time, as we scurry (OR NOT) atop the Earth’s crust?
By paying vital attention to each moment’s mysterious arising, especially the expected arrival of your social security check and/or whatever other checks you’ve “earned” (OR NOT).
Me, you---what’s the difference?
Me verses you---that IS the difference!
Vive la difference!
That’s what I say.
What an always DONE and SAID deal!
I shake on it.
What a wonderful splitter that last sentence is!
The unwashed masses, presently, is composed of billions of individuals, each of them/us characterized by a core---which is, SHAKING!
Yes, being alive always entails facing an unknown and unknowable future, which can turn out horribly, and fearful shaking is the only realistic way to be.
(I just had an ugly confrontation with a neighbor, who has two German Shepards, and these dogs randomly bark way too many times each day, which noise like a firecracker scaring the hell out of me. The small town we live in as as safe as any in America.
And, yet, the dude rationalized having these dogs was necessary to protect his little children, because so many “dangerous” people walk up and down the street affront his huge property! SHAKING!)
Here’s another example of how CW “saying” has caused havoc on society.
There is a real collective result of human activity, known as the past, and there is the programmed NOW activity by people, who more or less are completely ignorant about this.
Here’s a basic suggestion---wherever you live, find out the ACTUAL crime rates, in all categories, so you’ll know the truth, and THEN choose how to best insure the future.
A final “dog” note---even though I’ve had to endure, silently, for years, the disturbance of my peace, when I ONCE get the attention of the dog owner, and forcefully complain, respectively of course, they claim it is ME who is harassing them!
Perhaps THIS “shaking” mood is what is animating most everyone, these detached from reality days.
The “dogs” are barking; the politicians are “saying”; America is shaking!
Ken (Old Texican)| 7.22.11 @ 1:17PM
Who nos,
That post ranks right up there with the dumbest comments I have ever read.
...Go take your meds.
Who No's?| 7.22.11 @ 8:19PM
Meds are for people like you, dummy.
Don| 7.22.11 @ 1:21PM
This could ruin the rest of my summer, but it looks like we are all going to have to mount up with our pitch forks and head to Washington to fix this place that is clearly broken and not working - all we get is dogma from both sides - we want results, cut, cap and balance
CrackerHound| 7.22.11 @ 1:39PM
When the debt ceiling is raised (not if) the most effective things Americans could do, if we could muster enough participants and figure out how to do it is TAX REVOLT!
If the government insists on borrowing at these unprecendented levels against the will of the people...deny them the funds to pay it back.
darcy| 7.22.11 @ 2:51PM
My sister, really, not me -- but for my passing it along -- suggests that American taxpayers stay home from work one day a month to decrease the flow of tax dollars into public coffers. If that does not get the attention of the tax spenders, then go to two days a month, and so on. Any ideas on how effective such a tactic might be? Pros and cons?
Trinacria| 7.22.11 @ 2:14PM
Today's lesson, children, is the wonders of Washington math:
The Probelm: Based on current annual deficit of $1.5 trillion, we will increase our current $14.5 trillion deficit by $15 trillion over the next 10 years, bringing the total national debt to $29.5 TRILLION.
Solution: Cut spending by $3 trillion over those same 10 years, thereby lowering our national debt to $26.5 trillion in 2021.
Spin: We've made a bold and historical deal that reduces our national debt by more than $3 trillion by 2021.
Reality: At the current pace of spending, $3 trillion in cuts over 10 years ($300 billion/year) will nresult in a national debt that is nearly twice the current level ($26.5 trillion in 2021 vs. $15.5 trillion today).
And we actually have hope that these ass clowns have any chance of solving the problem?
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 5:08PM
Yep, let's just vote in the lesser of tow evils [Republicans] and thereafter begin holding their rumps to the political fire and demand that they begin working for their taxpayer-bosses!!!!
jackc| 7.22.11 @ 2:28PM
Political correctness is the sewage of society.
Obama and his cohorts desperate to get re-elected continue to prescribe the transformation of America into a welfare state, where an absence of self-direction and an avoidance of individual responsibility/education are implicitly rewarded and propagated.
somnolence| 7.22.11 @ 2:31PM
This whole farce, in fact this whole blog, is a non-starter , because I haven't seen the word "Obamacare" mentioned at all from ANYONE (except Michele Bachmann) to be on the cutting room table. So are you really sure that passing this "thing" makes a damn bit of difference for your 401K or IRA? Think about the full implications up to and beyond 2014. As both Bachmann and Paul have indicated, defaulting now is better than the black hole of oblivion later, and it also sets a better example for a newer generation coming up, i.e. Harry Reid's grandchildren.
darcy| 7.22.11 @ 2:55PM
I wonder if we'd even be having this debate now if it weren't for Obamacare, passed by a tyrannical government on an unwilling citizenry. Certainly, the debt projections would be much lower.
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 5:10PM
This is a critical emergency. In November of next year, if we vote Republicans to replace the current occupants of the WH and Senate Democrats, then a repeal of Obamacare etc will be a certainty!!!!!!!!!
Steve A| 7.22.11 @ 2:33PM
Obama's campaign theme for 2012: "Close your eyes & try to ignore my record. Vote for me again because of my efforts, not my results."
This would be comical were it not for the fact that peoples lives are being destroyed.
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 5:12PM
Hopefully taxpayer-voters have finally woken up to his HOPE & CHANGE manure!!!
Anthony| 7.22.11 @ 2:46PM
I suppose the only light at the end of this dark tunnel, is that with all the ususal suspects having conspired against America for so long, our society is finally unable to withstand the onslaught any further, and is about to collapse.
After the collapse, multiculturalism, political correctness, and moral relativism will die soon thereafter.
The folly of leftism will have played itself out, once again.
Then, after we clean out what's left of the deadwood (the fun part), a smarter, bolder, stronger, and Constitutionally revived society will emerge.
The great and grand experiment that is America will not die.
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 5:13PM
Yep, hopefully we can progress [sorry!] from STUPIDS to NON-STUPIDS by electing a Republican president!!!!!!!!!
GK Chesterton| 7.22.11 @ 3:01PM
Art, like debt, consists in drawing the line somewhere
Trinacria| 7.22.11 @ 3:11PM
GK -
I believe your quote was, "Morality, like art, consists in drawing the line somewhere."
In either case, I rather fear we're screwed - line drawing is a skill that has yet to be mastered by our bretheren in Washington.
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 5:15PM
We taxpayer-voters simply have to teach them how to draw a line from DC to our wallets!!!!
Intelligent Design| 7.22.11 @ 3:35PM
I wrote this 9 months ago. The national debt is now about $1 trillion higher than it was then:
"The Democrats gained control of Congress in January 2007. Congress controls federal spending. Since then the national debt has increased 58%, from $8.6 trillion to $13.6 trillion. The debt is growing by more than $100 billion per month, and is currently equal to about $124,000 for every taxpayer. If you are a young person, say 21 to 45 years old, think about what that means for your future, and your children's. There will never be enough taxpayers.
The solution is to cut federal spending by $2 trillion yesterday, and to reduce taxes, thereby returning capital to the engine that drives America --- free enterprise."
Oldefarte| 7.22.11 @ 5:17PM
ID, I'm 65 and this Democrat welfarism from their political control has been occurring my whole adult lifetime!!!!
Intelligent Design| 7.23.11 @ 10:57AM
Agreed. FDR was before my time, but that was the turning point. The pendulum has swung so far to the left that JFK would now be considered "conservative". He introduced tax cuts before being assassinated in Dallas. LBJ was a national disaster. Obama is a treacherous, despicable, impostor. Fortunately, in November 2012 he will be thrown into the garbage truck of history. Let's hope that conservatives gain control of the Senate, also.
Margie| 7.23.11 @ 10:20PM
"The pendulum has swung so far to the left that JFK would now be considered "conservative".
Indeed!!
Harry Truman would be a GW conservative.
And Coolidge would be considered an ultra conservative.
Somebody like Grover Cleveland might be considered conservative.
And who else?
The Democrat party is utterly lost and forsaken by the American people.
RCV| 7.24.11 @ 6:58PM
And Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt would be labelled RINOS!
Nick| 7.24.11 @ 7:12PM
RCV,
Teddy was a RINO. He formed the Bull Mouse, er, I mean Bull Moose party, remember?
Old One| 7.22.11 @ 4:03PM
If Tammy Faye Boehner and the House republicans cave to Ovomit's mad spending and tax increases after November 2012 there will be a devastated economy and no republican party if the obununists allow a free election.
Wayne | 7.22.11 @ 6:26PM
Well so far so good as Boehner is holding the line. I have never seen anyone with such lack of self-awareness as Obama. He blames the republicans, then insists he doesn't want any finger pointing, then he again starts wagging his finger.
Mike D.| 7.22.11 @ 8:48PM
There must be some kind of symbol or code word on the teleprompter for finger wagging. The guy is his own one man circus
beebop| 7.22.11 @ 6:36PM
He is in full melt down on television. Only he doesn't know it. He and Jarad Haffner have sooooo much in common. Find him a padded room.
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.22.11 @ 6:41PM
Clint,
RASMUSSEN SHOCK POLL: Barack Obama 41% Ron Paul 37%...
Wayne | 7.22.11 @ 9:33PM
What I would give to see that reversed. We would see a MSM meltdown.
patroness| 7.22.11 @ 6:53PM
God Bless you John Boehner. Keep making your parents proud!
patroness| 7.22.11 @ 6:56PM
"Doing the right things for the right reason and good things will happen." JB
swan song| 7.22.11 @ 9:52PM
Remark above about Ron Paul being a few bricks shy. . .brought to mind something I have long wondered. We know now that you apparently don't even have to prove you were born in the U.S.prior to running for office, but why is it you don't have to pass a physical and prove you are healthy and sane?
I worked in the medical department of a major airline and there came a time when all our our pilots reached retirement age at once and we had a hiring spree to replace them. In addition to a physical examination there was psychiatric testing just to make sure they were mentally stable enough to fly a planeload of souls from LAX to JFK.
And yet, we are asked to entrust our lives, financial futures and a lot more to the likes of "Sportin' Life" Obama who comes struttin' in out of nowhere in 2008, offering Hope and Change. Sportin' Life, if you don't recall, was a character in Porgy and Bess, whose answer to a lot of concerns was something he called 'happy dust'.
We have worried ourselves sick about our President's birthplace and seem to overlook the fact that is he a sociopath and a fiscal idiot.
Don't you think a personality disorder such as his might have been detected with a simple MMPI? "Left at the altar "- - "Do you sometimes feel lonely, even in a crowd?" The Greek columns Busby Berkeley stage thing - - a clear symptom of grandiosity.
Anyone like to add a few in Congress or Senate who might not have made the cut if we had psychiatric testing? Fortney (Pete) Stark (psycho), Barbara Boxer (undiagnosed but clearly weird), Sheila Jackson Lee (paranoia) - - who was that guy who made the "sharks in the water, still" remark about slave ships. . .maybe we could even add the G.E.D. test and weed out a few.
POST American| 7.22.11 @ 10:18PM
--------------BOTTOM LINE--------------
"Understand, there's NO reason why
ANY country should be borrowing money
from ANYONE ---esp. a country like America.
NO REASON at all. ----Absolutely NO REASON."
-ALAN WATT
(devastating online coverage)
-----ABSOLUTELY. And now--
Over 80% of ther American public is calling
for opening, auditing, dismantling and
prosecuting the ILLEGAL,
Constitution violating, debt-serf generating,
PRIVATE, profiteering, 'Federal Reserve'.
The ENTIRE 'on show' American political
establishment is now either blackmailed
or 'on board' fronts.
It's been this way for decades.
This, and their 'shadow authority' of ultra-rich,
culture destroying, war formenting, TAX FREE
foundations ---remain THE ISSUE.
casquette monster energy| 7.23.11 @ 1:34AM
maybe!
Elgordo| 7.23.11 @ 8:26AM
GO AFTER THE VULNERABLE DEM SENATORS, UP FOR RE-ELECTION, FOR CAUSING THE DEBT DEFAULT
The Dems, including Pres. Obama, have never come up with a plan to reduce the deficit........The Republicans in the House passed a plan to cut the deficit. Sen. Reid would not even let it come to a vote or even a discussion in the Senate. He "tabled" it....So if we have a default, it is the fault of the Dems in the Senate and the Republicans should advertise and campaign on this.
There are 11 vulnerable Dem Senate seats up for re-election in Red States or states that went Republican in 2010.......Six of these Senators are especially vulnerable: ; Ben Nelson of Nebraska , Bill Nelson of FL, Claire McCaskill of MO., Jon Tester of Montana, and from the coal rich states of W.Va. and PA. respectively, Joe Manchin and Robt. Casey.....
In other states such as Wisconsin, VA., No. Dak., New Mexico, Hawaii, their Dem Senatorsmany sensing defeat, are retiring. Also N.J's Gov. Christie is making voting for Republicans more popular , so their senator up for re-election in 2012, Robt. Menendez, may be vulnerable.
The Republicans should advertise heavily in these states blaming these Dem Senators for the default and for hiding behind Harry Reid's refusal to discuss the plan passed by the House Republicans.
carnot| 7.23.11 @ 8:44AM
The Repubs need ads that serialize these debt counters with videos of Dems voting for Obamacare, Dodd Frank, etc, etc.
The next set of ads should then reestablish the positions of the Dems in 2006-2008......videos with the folks stating debt ceiling raises are dangerous...and contrast these with statements made today...with some concluding banner about trust, or reliability, or contempt for the voter/citizen.
finally.....I would follow Dem advertising tactics and flash videos of lengthy food lines, sprawling unemployment lines, raucous town halls...followed by videos of Obama golfing, Michelle vacationing in Africa, Nancy jetting in government a/c, Hillary drink fests while on State business......with the concluding banner: "Is this the change you hoped for?"
Margie| 7.23.11 @ 10:15PM
Great thoughts, carnot!
Add to that the words of Obama himself, in 2006 where he said raising the debt ceiling would be wrong.
Here it is:
"In March 2006, then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., found the notion of raising the debt ceiling quite distasteful.
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,” he said. “It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”
LOL. The man's a lying hypocrite!
Does HE believe anything HE says?
RCV| 7.24.11 @ 2:17PM
Perhaps you missed the collapse of the American financial markets and economy in late 2008, which changed the fiscal landscape for decades to come, Margie.
Margie| 7.24.11 @ 3:02PM
But RCV~ the man's made things a zillion times worse! And he loves doing it. He hasn't done a thing to help businesses, he hates us.. I'm sorry, but he must. His actions prove it. He wants a Socialistic America, RCV~ and I can't believe you do, too.
Say it ain't so!
Margie| 7.24.11 @ 3:05PM
p.s. Besides, the Dems controlled Congress from '07-'11.
Nothing got done without their approval.
RCV| 7.24.11 @ 6:44PM
I don't and he doesn't either. And it's not a question of placing blame, but acknowledging the seriousness of what happened to the financial system then. Without the massive infusion of capital into the markets, the depression we'd have had would've been far, far worse.
Nick| 7.24.11 @ 7:10PM
RCV.
"Without the massive infusion of capital into the markets, the depression we'd have had would've been far, far worse."
A statement that cannot be proven, of course.
The economy is still in the tank. In 1920, there was a depression. President Harding and Congress did nothing. The depression was over in a year. And, then, we had the Roaring Twenties.
Why do liberals refuse to learn from history?
Margie| 7.24.11 @ 8:06PM
Because they want to repeat it? LOL.
Not so funny, though, is it?
RCV| 7.24.11 @ 9:02PM
And after the bubble of the twenties, the entire economy crashed and we had the worst depression in history.
RCV| 7.24.11 @ 9:16PM
And, Nick, read Milton Fiedman's published analysis of what caused the depression of 1920-21, and what helped fix it. Friedman believes it resulted from the newly- formed Fed's mistaken monetary policy -- raising interest rays sharply in the midst of a recession. The depression ended when the Fed reversed it's monetary policy mistakes and sharply reduced interest rates and increased the monetary supply.
We have learned from history.
Nick| 7.25.11 @ 3:16AM
RCV,
My comment wasn't addressing what caused the '20 depression. Only that the president and congress didn't do anything, and it only lasted a year.
Are you claiming that this was the cause of the Crash of '29?
Also, Mr. Freidman's claim about the Federal Reserve is also made about the Great Depression. The huge difference being that both Hoover and FDR interfered tremendously in the market. This, combined with bad Fed policy, made it impossible for the economy to recover.
Hoover took a recession and made it a depression. FDR made that depression GRRRRRRREAT!
Aiken Bob| 7.23.11 @ 9:34AM
I wish that someone would start pushing a plan that just goes back to the 2008 level of spending, prior to Obama. Folks can identify that 2008 wasn't all that bad. Better yet go back to 2001. When you talk about Trillions it has no impact on folks, but ask them if believe that 2008 federal spending was too much or too little you may get an answer.
Wayne | 7.23.11 @ 11:56AM
Should be 2006, prior to Pelosi and Reid.
POST American| 7.23.11 @ 10:14AM
-------------------BOTTOM LINE----------------------
"The power to tax is the power to destroy."
-John Marshall
Likewise the power to appropriate funds
ad infinitum to feed the monster of debt-serf
generating, psychopathically driven and
God mockingly FAKE----------USURY.
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.23.11 @ 10:23AM
Blaming the Tea Party for America's Debt Dilemma? Better Get Your Facts Straight
Published July 22, 2011 | Your World Cavuto | Neil Cavuto
Fact One -- Tea Partiers' opposition to tax hikes didn't bring us to this brink. Washington's indifference to spending did.
Fact Two -- Tea Partiers didn't create these deficits. Washington did.
Fact Three -- Tea Partiers didn't wreck the budget this year. Try Democrats, who had total control of Washington, not even offering a budget at all... last year.
Fact Four -- Tea Partiers aren't the reason we're up against another debt limit. Washington is.
Fact Five -- Tea Partiers aren't suddenly to blame for the credit ratings agencies now putting this country's credit on watch. Credit ratings agencies first warned about this years ago.
Fact Six -- Tea Partiers have been consistently opposed to the gimmicks that created this mess. Washington's consistently offered only more gimmicks to allegedly fix this mess.
Fact Seven -- Tea Partiers aren't the only ones saying a debt hike without meaningful spending cuts is a waste. Standard and Poor's itself warned such a deal would be a travesty.
Fact Eight -- Tea Partiers aren't the crazy ones for saying it's time to stop this nonsense. Those who call them crazy for dare speaking the obvious are the ones who make "no" sense.
Fact Nine -- Tea Partiers resisting business as usual aren't the problem right now. Self-serving politicians still practicing business as usual are.
Fact Ten -- Tea Partiers demanding accountability isn't the stuff that brought us to this brink. Washington's continued failure to "be" accountable has us at the brink.
Wayne | 7.23.11 @ 11:57AM
I saw this. No wonder you never see Cavuto on O'Reilly.
Oldefarte| 7.23.11 @ 12:02PM
If I'm reading your last sentence correctly, I think I have just been possibly LEGALLY THREATENED ["Michael L. Hauschild| 7.22.11 @ 7:03PM I have a private Investagation agency, I have rental property, I am the veterans service officer for my VFW post, and I am about to start teaching again this fall. As far as "mommy and daddy" my father, a disabled veteran, passed last year (I quit teaching in 2006 to take care of him) my mother is still living and I take care of her from the home I set up for handicapped access. I worked as a body guard and bouncer till I was sixty: I did this for celebreties and polititians. I quit that three years ago. It is my sincere hope that someday I will get to meet you in person"]. If so, understand this: I know and am related to numerous '''''LAWYERS''''', so hopefully your private investigation agency [and rental property] has numerous BUSINESS ASSETS and INSURANCE! Kindest regards!!!!!!!!
Michael L. Hauschild| 7.23.11 @ 1:14PM
Don't worry flatulance, that knock on the door won't be me; it will be the guys in the white coats. Besides Clint handles all my light work.
Oldefarte| 7.23.11 @ 2:14PM
If/when that door knock comes, just remember what Clint [Eastwood, that is] once proclaimed.....ARE YOU FEELING LUCKY, PUNK?????????
Margie| 7.24.11 @ 1:34AM
Hauschild's a hypocrite who calls himself Christian, yet clacks with the low-life liar, Clint/Tim* and makes veiled threats just like he does.
Birds of a feather.
Clint| 7.24.11 @ 9:50AM
You're A Zany Crazed Neo-Chickenhawk Israel Firster Coward, Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie-Sybil-Sandy.
If I'm not mistaken, Hauschild fought in combat with The Black Scarf Regulars.
"Support for Ron Paul Runs High Among Members of the Military.
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.), an official candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, is extremely popular with members of the U.S. military. On July 19th, Paul held his “Ready for Ames” Money Bomb Radio Marathon, raising more than $550,000 from supporters to expand the Texas Congressman’s “first-class campaign in Iowa.” It’s likely that more than a few of the contributors to Paul’s “Ready for Ames” money bomb were men and women in uniform.
In fact, Paul’s popularity is so high among U.S. service members that the Texas Congressman’s presidential campaign has received more money from U.S. soldiers than any other candidate in the 2012 presidential race."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Ramping Up For The 2012 Elections.
Carpe Diem.
Oldefarte| 7.24.11 @ 10:26AM
Well if the tea partiers contain Mansonish morons similar to those demonstrated here previously, then count me and other sane individuals out of same!!!!!!!!
Margie| 7.24.11 @ 1:25PM
They only claim they are the TEA party, but they aren't.
And God knows they aren't.
TEA parties welcome us, and we, them.
victor| 7.24.11 @ 6:30PM
clint:
"If I'm not mistaken, Hauschild fought in combat with The Black Scarf Regulars."
Are they anything like the Red Hat Ladies who follow all of the sales at Bloomies?
Oldefarte| 7.24.11 @ 10:58AM
Margie, ignore that which mentally reflects cow manure, and instead refocus upon the words of that old sage/philosopher Forrest Gump who said: STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES. Take care!!!!!
Margie| 7.24.11 @ 1:24PM
Thanks, Oldefarte.
Kevin Dunn| 7.23.11 @ 12:39PM
For some reason, I think of a couple of lines from "The Lord of the Rings." One of the hoibbirs, Merry or Pippin, says it's all too much for them and thery should go back toi the Shire. The other replies that if they don't fight: "There isn't going to BE any shire."
Kevin Dunn| 7.23.11 @ 12:39PM
Sorry, should be "hobbits."
Oldefarte| 7.23.11 @ 2:31PM
As a somewhat longtime blogger here, I'm beginning to sadly reason something that i never previously would have ever contemplated bofore now [after reading numerous of these so-called conservative comments]. Some of these ultra-conservative bloggers proclaming their ITS THEIR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY ROSS PERIOTISMS are possibly DISGUISIED DEMOCRAT OPERATIVES OF THIS ADMINISTRATION THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTEDLY OPERATING POSSIBLY OUT OF THE OFFICES OF THE JUSTICE DEPT TO COUTERACT CONSERVATIVE WEBSITES AND TO ARGUE IN FAVOR OF THEIR POLITICAL POSITIONS. I simply cannot believe these bloggers' attitudes combining Democrat and Republican politicians together into one grouping and supposedly critisizing the whole group together. This to me is possibly a counter-insurgency type political move to smear Republicans as all RINOS and akin to DEMOCRATS. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence and beyond the age of 12 SHOULD be able to distinguish between the modern political parties. The Democrats are radical extremists, whereas the Republicans are somewhat characteristic of ordinary, everyday taxpaying, G_d fearing, contributing citizens, military veterans etc [ie mainstream Americans]. True, Republicans are not saints and have faults, but compared to Democrats, they represent the one/only sane/intelligent choice for election. These tea party screaming bloggers here proclaiming their BURN DONW THE BARD TO KILL RATS philosophy are more and more appearing to be disguised Democrat operatives of the DNC, intent upon counter-arguing/destroying any thought of conservatives rightfully voting for Republicans, by their lumping all DC politicians into one bag. I am sadly becomeing suspicious of their motives and intent as expressed by their wordings!!!!!!!!
RCV| 7.23.11 @ 6:10PM
Right now, President Obama is the only adult in the room in Washinton. Between the far left Democrats -- whose only goal in this debate is to raise taxes on the rich -- and the far right Tea Partiers and PaulBots -- who are happy to destroy a functioning government irrespective of the damage that accrues to the American people in the process, the two extremes seem oblivious to train wreck that would result from the coming rise in Treasury rates.
And the few semi- responsible Republicans in DC are immobilized by political fear. Boehner, whose well-known alcoholism was on full display at his press conference, is so afraid of losing his job to Cantor that he is willing to let the wreck happen. Pathetic.
DaveD| 7.23.11 @ 9:13PM
Idle curiosity prompts: what "functioning government?" Certainly not the disfunctional one in Washington D.C.?
Margie| 7.23.11 @ 10:12PM
So now Boehner is an alcoholic?
RCV, please do not speak of something unless you know it is true.
It is not a good thing, as you will be held accountable by God for it.
RCV| 7.24.11 @ 2:10PM
I do know it to be true, Margie, or I wouldn't have said it. Anyone who works in the Capitol could tell you as much. It's a pretty open secret.
Margie| 7.24.11 @ 3:00PM
Well, unless you know it firsthand it is rumor.
I will not go by hearsay, and as a lawyer (or previous lawyer), you would not do same, I'm sure?
RCV| 7.24.11 @ 6:47PM
You go be hearsay all the time, including the basis of your faith. We have formal rules of evidence in Court, but that's not how we make judgments in life. The first-hand accounts of people I know and trust are reliable enough for me to believe them.
Margie| 7.24.11 @ 8:03PM
RCV,
No, I don't go by hearsay, and I'm not talking about in a court of law.
If someone tells me something about another person, I will ask the person who it is concerning before I will assume anything~ it's just the right thing to do. For me, it's sin to do otherwise.
I know what it feels like to be maligned and prefer to not live my life falsely accusing others.
As to my faith, it isn't hearsay. Sure, at first it was if you want to call the Bible hearsay, and believing what it says as same, but my faith goes beyond hearsay, and here's how:
I directly asked, (1 Tim. 6:12), on my knees before God and a Christian sister and another brother, out loud and in their presence, confessed myself a sinner and asked Jesus to forgive all my sins, and to come into my heart and fill me with His Spirit. I promised to follow Him for the rest of my life if He revealed Himself to me. (Yes, I had the nerve to do that).
It didn't take faith, it took honesty, and humbling of myself. (Real humble, right? But that's what I did.). From that day on, and that was in 1975, God filled me with His Spirit and with joy, and love like I have never known it.
It isn't anything that the World knows, because it's from God.
"Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the World gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid." Jn. 14:27.
He promises to the soul that seeks Him, He will answer their prayer. That's why I'm so confident in Him.
As to what little faith I may have, it grows when I pray, read the Bible, and have fellowship with other Christians, that's how God arranges it.
It's amazing Grace.. and His will is that none should perish, but that all should reach repentance. (2 Pe. 3:9).
I'm too weak to go by hearsay, I can't afford what it would do to me.
victor| 7.24.11 @ 6:26PM
RCV:
"I do know it to be true, Margie, or I wouldn't have said it."
RCV: Yes, I heard it though the Grapevine:
and here is my grapevine:
http://theview.abc.go.com/foru.....alcoholism
RCV: Totally unimpeachable source.
RCV: Another unimpeachable source:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/joe.....y-five-pm/
RCV| 7.24.11 @ 6:49PM
First I've ever seen them, Victor.
Nick| 7.23.11 @ 11:07PM
RCV,
"[...] who are happy to destroy a functioning government irrespective of the damage that accrues to the American people in the process [...]."
The only reason the American people are accruing damage is because they elected the current incompetent boob who is occupying the White House. O'Bama has proven, once again, that liberal policies are doomed to failure.
Who was the biggest cheerleader for TARP?: O'Bama.
How much is TARP going to cost taxpayers?: At least $25 billion.
How many kids has O'Bama killed in Libya?: Unknown.
What is the projected national debt by 2016?: $20 trillion.
What is the projected national debt by 2020?: $23 trillion.
How long has O'Bama dithered on the debt ceiling?: 6 months.
He is going to be worse than Jimmy Carter!
Possibly as bad as FDR.
RCV| 7.24.11 @ 2:15PM
Nick, fortunately it appears that the Chamber folks and enough GOP donors got the message to Boehner after his disastrous press conference, about the catastrophe awaiting American business and taxpayers if the debt ceiling isn't raised, that a deal will be done in short order.
I must have missed your lamenting Nick over the Iraqi children who have died by the tens of thousands.
Nick| 7.24.11 @ 7:01PM
RCV,
"I must have missed your lamenting Nick over the Iraqi children who have died by the tens of thousands."
This is because conservatives, while we find collateral damage tragic, know that civilian deaths are part of war. D-Day could not have happened if we had worried about all of the French men, women, and children who were going to die before, during, and after the invasion.
It is the hypocritical liberal left who sanctimoniously lament the deaths of Iraqi children, when Mr. Bush was president; and now remain silent as President Dither kills Libyans in a conflict that has no American interests.
The liberal left did the same thing during Operation Desert Storm and when Bubba 'the pervert' Clinton bombed poor Serbian civilians. Desert Storm was bad, because a Republican was doing it. But, it was okay to kill people who had fought the nazis and lived under the communist yoke, because the guy doing it had a "d" after his name. Oh, and he was pro-abortion.
Liberal hypocrisy knows no bounds. Their outrage makes me laugh. Because, it is pathetic. And, when it comes to war, it makes me sick.
p.s. Most of those Iraqi children were killed by al Qeada in Iraq.
RCV| 7.24.11 @ 9:07PM
Nick, it was YOU who raised the wholly bogus issue of Libyan children being killed by Obama. Of course there is collateral damage in war. So don't bring it up only when it suits your argument of the moment.
Nick| 7.25.11 @ 3:04AM
RCV,
I'll bring it up whenever I feel like it. It was you who tried to turn it around on me, to try to make me look like a hypocrite, remember? You failed.
And, if I don't bring it up, who will? Certainly not you liberals. Where are all the lefty mouth-breathers who condemned President Bush for killing Iraqi civilians? Where are Kieth Olbermann-child, Wesley Crusher, er, I mean Rachel Madcow, and Chris Matth-spews?
Come to think of it, where is Toddard, 3/5 Bob, Marxist Reader/Jeremiah?, Davy Matthews, and all the rest of the commenters who told me repeatedly that President Bush was responsible for "over one million Iraqi civilian deaths"?
Being a liberal always means being a hypocrite.
Sorry, RCV, deal with it.
Oldefarte| 7.24.11 @ 10:18AM
Saying that Obama is the only adult in the room is akin to saying that CHARLES MANSON IS THE ONLY SANE PERSON IN THE ROOM. Get real, IDIOT!!!!!!!!!
RCV| 7.24.11 @ 2:18PM
Putting stupid thoughts in caps with lots of exclamation points won't transform them into wisdom.
Margie| 7.24.11 @ 2:58PM
Nor will the thoughts of one who is in denial written ever so calmly and in lower case letters change the truth of the matter into a lie.
Just sayin', RCV.
RCV| 7.24.11 @ 6:53PM
True there!
Reprobate Charlatan Vomitus| 7.24.11 @ 3:50PM
I don't bother with silly sanctimonious proclamations of "Pathetic" on petulant dithering idiot fecal liar in chief matters.
Colonel Allen West | 7.17.11:
"The President's concern is about getting reelected. The President's concern is that he is an intransigent, liberal, progressive socialist who is also a Marxist because of the class warfare rhetoric he espouses. And I think that when you heard him on Friday and the more he comes out and talks, the more truly out of touch and incompetent he seems. He has a vision for this country that is anathema to the vision of the founding fathers and our belief in individual responsibility and accountability and our free enterprise system."
RCV | 7.22.11 @ 1:05PM:
"Allen's intemperate outburst confirms the wisdom of his forced resignation from the Army...he does not have the temperment and judgment to hold a serious position of responsibility."
RCV | 4.28.11 @ 1:02AM:
"The strength of the tea party, in contrast, is in those economically depressed red states where the education level is low, and where people believe the birthism and other right wing nonsense"
RCV | 10.23.10 @ 9:30PM:
"I abhor sanctimonious conservatism of the tea party brand, an ideology wholly lacking in intelligence or a shred of real Christian love and compassion. It espouses policies dangerous, damaging, and detrimental to our country and it's future. It will have a lifespan much like its intellectual forebearer, Know-Nothingism."
session 666 (continued):
Macco's exposing a Fool:
Respond with the first thing that pops into your head. 54 million abortions.
Retardo's Vile Confessions:
Real Christian Love. And Compassion.
Macco's exposing a Fool:
That's two things. Barack Hussein Obama.
Retardo's Vile Confessions:
Sixty four times smarter than me. Plus he's honest.
Macco's exposing a Fool:
That's two things. Osama Bin Laden.
Retardo's Vile Confessions:
Strangled personally by Obama. With his bare hands. Hand, really. The other one simultaneously wiped out Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Osama's mistake was firing two uzis at him as he was rushed. Fatal mistake. Just made Obama mad. Plus, he eats his peas. It's like spinach to him. He was using his feets to establish World Peace. That took both foots though. That reminds me of the time Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize. It was long overdue, really. Now he can win the Nobel Peas Prize. Why I-
Macco's exposing a Fool:
............Let's...just continue. Redistribution of wealth.
Retardo's Vile Confessions:
Not allowing the half of people who pay no taxes to bear the burden of the other half who aren't paying their fair share. And equality under the law.
Macco's exposing a Fool:
That's two things. The Constitution.
Retardo's Vile Confessions:
Democracy. Adults in the room. Functioning government. Don't forget Justice.
Macco's exposing a Fool:
That's four things. Thomas Jefferson.
Retardo's Vile Confessions:
My life's passion. To study his words. For sixty four and three quarter years. I started in my mommy's womb. That counts.
Macco's exposing a Fool:
Please keep it to the first two things that pop into your mind.
Retardo's Vile Confessions:
Mind?
Macco's exposing a Fool:
Let's...just...continue.
Retardo's Vile Confessions:
Okie Dokie. Wait, is that more than two things?
Macco's exposing a Fool:
.........The 'tree of liberty'.
Retardo's Vile Confessions:
That's just dumb.
...
...
...
Retardo's Vile Confessions:
Ocama?
RCV| 7.24.11 @ 6:55PM
You should introduce yourself to Dee See/POST American. You speak the same language.
Reprobate Charlatan Vomitus| 7.24.11 @ 7:51PM
I don't bother with my silly consistently pathetic temperament and consistently pathetic judgment to question the sanity of my very own consistently pathetic words mocked back at my consistently pathetic self on the consistently pathetic temperament and consistently pathetic judgment that resulted in another consistently pathetic reply in consistently pathetic response to my very own consistently pathetic words mocked back at my consistently pathetic self matters.
RCV| 7.24.11 @ 9:08PM
Zzzzzzzzzzz.....
Reprobate Charlatan Vomitus| 7.25.11 @ 7:05AM
I also don't bother with the silly irony that POST American makes infinitely more sense and is infinitely more logical than my pathetic self, on not just temperament and judgment, as let's be honest, in this thread I actually, really, truly called that petulant intransigent marxist drama queen Obama the only adult in the room in 'Dee See', and actually really truly brought up mature acting presidential Boehner's overcome past matters. Pathetic. And despicable. Who would ever have expected these matters.
RCV| 7.25.11 @ 11:30AM
Zzzz....Z....Zzzzz
Reprobate Charlatan Vomitus| 7.25.11 @ 12:07PM
I also don't bother with, continuing to be honest, the temperament and judgment of my words, in this very thread, that actually, really, truly claim the great depression ended due to monetary policy, without any mention of World War II, on belonging to the party that celebrates diversity, all while caring for human beings at least AFTER they're diversely born, at least AFTER any partially diverse considerations, while my words reveal equal opportunity stupidity on the economic, as well as the social and the political, diversely, all while obliviously, sanctimoniously, espousing what is actually, really, truly pathetic matters.
POST American| 7.24.11 @ 12:46AM
--------------------BOTTOM LINE----------------------
"Understand, 'the money system' is TRULY
the original con. If you see through that, you've
seen through it all."
-ALAN WATT
(devastating online coverage)
"And remember, to the Red Indian, the very
act of counting was itself seen as a sadistic act."
-D H Lawrence
Letters
1919
"-----and David counted the tribes."
-Scripture
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