Its inbreeding puts the Daleys, Bushes, and Cuomos to shame.
(Page 2 of 2)
Regardless of whether they're on the left or right, most
European politicians share a broad commitment to the European
social model.
Broadly-speaking, this model affirms some market
institutions (such as free prices), but also heavily emphasizes
major wealth-redistributions, large welfare states, and strong
labor-market regulation. This is overlaid by a strong stress on
top-down coordination by the government (i.e., professional
politicians).
The problems proceeding from this mixture --
out-of-control spending, disincentives to be entrepreneurial, soft
corruption, excessively large public-sectors -- have been
understood since the word "Eurosclerosis" became commonplace in the
1970s. So why, even now, are Europe's politicians so slow to react
accordingly by aggressively addressing the causes of
sclerosis?
One reason is that market-liberalization would mean
lessening their importance in the economy. Less top-down
coordination means fewer top-down coordinators.
But another cause of reform-failure is that most European
politicians have little-to-no experience of life in the business
world.
Five years ago, a survey of the French Senate revealed
that a mere 30 of its 331 members had ever worked in the private
sector. Not surprisingly, they turned out to know little about
hum-drum matters such as how to meet a payroll, why heavy labor
market regulation makes you reluctant to hire people, or how high
taxes dampens your entrepreneurial enthusiasms.
Hence, no-one should be surprised that so many EU
politicians' response to the continent's current problems is to
advocate more centralization of economic policy and
more regulation, and all in the name of more
European-wide "coordination." Nothing could be more foreign to such
mindsets than imagining that they and their rather sheltered
outlook on life might be part of the problem.
Time, however, is against them. As Europe's crisis
worsens, the ancien régime's efforts to control matters
through yet more intergovernmental loans, bailouts, and accounting
sleight-of-hands will continue yielding meager results.
Unfortunately, like the Bourbons, most of Europe's political class
have learnt nothing and forgotten nothing. And, as in the past, it
will be ordinary Europeans rather than their political masters who
pay the price.
Mr. Gregg, what you write about in Europe is a symptom. The
problem lies with the electorate. It seems that the respective
electorates of Greece, France, and Belgium have to be looked at for
the root cause. BTW in Greece if its citizenry becomes tired of the
Papandreous they just turn to the Karaminlis family then vice
versa.
PolishKnight| 7.19.11 @ 9:50AM
I have something to scare you, Alice: The electorate makes
little difference. At least to a point.
Provided they don't get the pitchforks and make a march on the
capital, the elites can do what they do best: Grab and consolidate
power. Since power helps them to get more power and they can use
both disasters and prosperity to increase their pocketbooks and
political-facebook friends lists, then they can manage the
electorate relatively easily. Look at us! Are we stopping them?
So we vote in a few tea partying politicians some of whom are
sincere and they quickly hit road blocks. The red tape and cronying
in Washington is massive and those who go along, get along. Those
who don't, wind up serving a single term (sometimes voluntarily as
a term limit pledge) and leave.
Those electorates who aren't direct or indirect recipients of
the welfare state and entitlements become cheerleaders for those in
power because it feels good to at least emotionally be on the same
side. It's like someone cheering for Ghengas Khan as he rides in
the city gates. He's probably going to kill everyone, but they can
at least not cheer for losers.
When political class ancestors in the aristocracy went to war -
and either on or lost - they always came home to their chalets and
castles.
I am a 28 years old doctor, mature and beautiful.and now I am
seeking a good man who can give me real love , so i got a username
Andromeda2002 on--s'e'ek'c'ou'ga'r.c óm--.it is the first and best
club for y'ounger women and old'er men, or older women and y'ounger
men,to int'eract with each other. Maybe you wanna ch'eck 'it out or
tell your friends!
Occam's Tool| 7.19.11 @ 1:30PM
I became interested in this phenomenon when I lived in New
Zealand. I joined the National Party as a permanent resident, and
was being recruited to run on the slate as an MP before I had
received my citizenship. I would have gotten citizenship easily,
but my wife (and then, I) wanted to come home so badly that I gave
up my desire to run for Parliament.
There were about 10,000 members of the NP, which was quite
inexpensive to join, in a country of 4 million. It is now the
governing party in NZ.
RCV| 7.19.11 @ 10:15PM
Any country would be lucky to have you, OT.
Alan Brooks| 7.19.11 @ 9:40PM
The Bushes were (past tense) the most anti-conservative family
in history.
JP| 7.19.11 @ 7:28AM
When I lived in Germany I was surprised at how little difference
existed between Left and Right. The SPD and CDU are essientially
the same and only vary in degree. The last truly independent German
politician was the late Bavarian Govenor Franz Josef Strauss. He
died in 1988. In those days, Bavaria was to Germany was Texas is to
the US.
But today's political class in Europe is what Obama intends to
implement here. But, in Europe the political class is overseeing an
aging, lazy, and apathetic polity. The only real energy I see in
Europe comes from its growing Muslim minorities. The future of
Europe lies with them.
Wayne | 7.19.11 @ 7:48PM
I think Obama is skipping the European model is going right to
the soviet model.
This article shows why it is so important to have citizen
legislators. This article also shows why politicians fight against
those damn citizens (Tea Partiers) and folks like Palin, Cain etc.
They, the media, and many of us out here believe we need
experienced "politicians." We don't. We need people with common
sense who can make their own way in the world, go into politics to
get something done, and then return to the world.
Redstateboy| 7.19.11 @ 8:23AM
Liber-ulism IS a Mental Disorder. How else can you explain
Liber-uls insistence on following a model that proves - throughout
time - to be a dysfunctional way for men to govern
themselves.
And Here we have Das Messiah - a blithering idiot boob - who is so
full of the Faith of Liber-ul socialist ideology - that he cannot
see the Forest for the Trees.
John Navratil| 7.19.11 @ 9:19AM
Redstateboy,
Selfishness is the explanation. As Babara Michulski said while
campaigning twenty years ago:
"The poor have nothing to give. The middle class has nothing
left to give. So let's go get it from those who've got it."
PolishKnight| 7.19.11 @ 9:55AM
What a delightful lie. The middle class can give up their
vacations to pay taxes, sacrifice their retirement funds for
overpriced marxist college educations for their daughters, and sign
up for 30 year low interest mortgages for 2 bedroom shacks their
grandparents rented for 5 bucks a week.
In addition, Michulski regards the middle class as traitors
(although she won't say so). During the cold war, they fought
against the beloved communists in Korea and Vietnam and now are the
primary electorate voting against the left except when the
independents foolishly buy into whatever cool aid they're selling
that week. So Michulski runs ads and slogans about being "For the
middle class" while bringing in as many illegals as possible to
reward with amnesty and future government jobs.
She's no better than George Soros.
Walking Horse| 7.19.11 @ 11:08AM
Michulski may be worse than Soros. At least Soros doesn't expect
anybody to vote for his sorry ***.
The middle class is the enemy of these people. The rich are
already bought off, in no small part facilitated by some of these
old relationships among the "elites". The poor are purchased with
bread and circus. Small business folk and other middle class people
who are not already bound and gagged are the last group of folk who
have the incentive to resist tyranny.
John Navratil| 7.19.11 @ 2:00PM
Polish Knight,
Rereading my post, I see it could be taken as support for
Michulski's redistributionist crap. I'll restate that liberalism is
selfish rather than delusional. These people know what they are
doing. In their arrogance they "know" they know better than you or
I.
PolishKnight| 7.19.11 @ 3:27PM
I'm rather proud that I've angered leftists with The Truth
sufficiently to get them to walk out of the room in disgust. It's
the ultimate compliment.
One of The Truth's that angers them is the observation that
they're not going to covert the USA, and Europe for that matter,
into Detroit and then magically have it become Sweden with warm
water beaches.
Most of the remaining leftists who have no skin in the game:
non-elites or bread-and-circus types are truly delusional in that
they are just cheering on Caesar. Leftism is government worship
because government is an awe inspiring thing. It can make, or
break, any puny individual. God is this thing you choose to have
faith in but do you dare not pay your taxes?
astorian| 7.19.11 @ 10:28AM
As Mark Steyn put it well, in most European countries, voters
have only two choices: a slightly left of center party and a
slightly right of the slightly left of center party.
As a result, the"conservative" parties of Europe invariably
campaign on a platform of "We can administer socialist programs
more efficiently than the Socialists."
Chrisiv| 7.19.11 @ 1:29PM
Very true. Like sheep, they are all followers of the failed
socialist ideology. You cannot rely on the news media for anything
different, no original thought. It's like Mob-mentality. Only will
the people change when they are educated, when they realize that
nothing is free and they all have to compete for a good life. The
mob-mentality tells them to riot when they don't get what they
want, when they don't see a conflict between their actions and
desires, when they always fine a scapegoat and never look inward.
These are clear signs of a secular society.
Walking Horse| 7.19.11 @ 11:02AM
The only good news about these self-appointed elites is that
they are making government policy. If they were making babies,
their issue would suffer from hemophilia or other genetic defects.
Oh, wait, European royalty already tried doing both ...
Chrisiv| 7.19.11 @ 11:27AM
Good article. But the author did not point to the root of the
problem. In a democracy, the people select their leaders. The
people's mind are shaped by what they read and then by the
community in which they live. Well, that cumminity's view is shaped
by the left-wing news media. The media tend to attract these
left-wing people who have a disconnect between theory that sounds
good and reality (practical matter), e.g like meeting a business
payroll, or running an enterprise that have to meander their way
thru costly regaulations. This lack of understanding of basic
economics, is almost a definition of the socialist mind - abstract
theory that sounds good but very little relevance to reality. In
the US, we say this is being smart by half. I am hopeful that with
the Internet, more voices on practicality will be heard, rather
than the limited minds of the main street media.
Sarbojit| 7.19.11 @ 12:05PM
Conservative commentators are on average more literate, erudite
and well-read than liberal nouveau-proles. So, it would do some
good to the general understanding of what ails Europe today, to
shine a light on the monarchies and their continued philosophical
influence in the age of democracy on the new social democrats.
The long-term northern - Scandinavian and Teutonic - genetic
roots of most European royalty is well researched. Would that I
that someone with more facility with language might trace these
roots into the present.
The roots of American leftism might then be understood as less
of European origin, with its egalitarian history, than of Russian,
with its domination history.
Europe, after all, is the civilisation of the Rennaissance, a
people which retrieved its own history from the Arabs, who for a
time appeared to have usurped the Greek, the Roman, the Persian and
the Sanskrit for itself. Such an Europe may still find its way
back, as we all hope Americans will step back from the abyss of
Obama.
Chrisiv| 7.19.11 @ 1:10PM
Lots of seemingly drunken gibberish here, SoberJit. This is not
a historical- cultural phenomena, This (political ideology) is from
current education and from where people get their info.
PolishKnight| 7.19.11 @ 3:33PM
I know it's an awful film and hardly on the same level as Greek
or Renaissance literature, but have you ever seen the old Sean
Connery B sci-film film "Zardoz?"
A spoiled, decadent civilization begs barbarians to come in and
kill them and put them out of their misery. Residents scream "Give
me the gift of death! Please!" and happily present their
bosoms.
American leftists are like that. They really want to see the
evil American economy destroyed and don't really care much about
what happens after that. At least the cool aid drinking comet
cultists may have hoped they were getting a ride afterwards.
John Navratil| 7.19.11 @ 10:02PM
PolishKnight,
This comment is really off-topic, but I can't resist as I once
(has it been thirty years) sat down to watch "Zardoz". I am one of
those who watch films until the end. I sat through "Macon County
Line", "Last Tango in Paris", "Reds" and "Titanic". I walked on
"Zardoz".
Should I rent it?
Don| 7.19.11 @ 1:20PM
I've come to see progressivism/socialism as a new feudalism.
People call it the Ruling Class vs the Country Class. We have our
monarchs - (Obama, Bushes, Clintons, etc.) who live lavishly and
retire multi-millionaires many times over today - compared to
Truman and other ex-Presidents who retired fairly modestly. We have
our 'Nobles' - Reid, McCain, Pelosi, etc. - who live by their own
rules and who are really indifferent to what is really going on in
the real world. We have our religious order - Rev. Wright, Al
Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, etc. - whose job is not to save souls but
support the Ruling Class. Then we have the Barons - who fund the
lives of the Ruling Class - Goldman Sachs, BOA, etc. And we have
our court jesters, Bill Mahrer, John Stewart, Steven Colbert - who
while occasionally tweak the Rulers really save their venom for the
Country Class rubes who are 'too stupid' to know what's good for
them. And then there is the rest of us. Half of us (the peasants)
are bought and paid for by the scraps tossed to us from the banquet
tables of the Ruling Class (ie Government programs that enslave
rather than liberate) bought and paid for by a shrinking class of
the Craftsmen, Builders, etc. who pay most of the bills. Maybe it's
just the natural order of things - Feudalism to Collapse to
Republic to Democracy and back to Feudalism - wash, rinse
repeat.
JimH| 7.19.11 @ 1:23PM
Of course this is why China used to use eunuchs for significant
government positions. Possibly a practice which should be brought
back.
cicero| 7.19.11 @ 4:46PM
The cruel thing about democeracy is that we have to actually get
up and vote for the people we are now complaining about. The
trouble is that we have worked ourselves into a position where
those who should be running for leadership positions cannot afford
the time or money to do so.
In Michigan, until last November, we have been electing governors
who have never held a job in the real world. You can go all the way
back to the 60s, with George Romney to find a governor who actually
held a job in the private sector. The rest came out of college, ran
for elective office, and worked their way up from office to office,
or, like Granholm, came out of law school, and went into government
work before entering elective positions.
And we wonder why we are plundered by our governing class to fund
their positions and life styles.
In the 1st century B.C., Julius Ceasar, when he wnted to rule Rome,
plundered Gaul, and used the proceeds to bribe the Roman
electorate. Our political class can't get to Gaul, so they plunder
us and bribe the non-taxpaying sector of society in return forr
their votes.
Chrisiv| 7.19.11 @ 7:36PM
Look, you guys have to read Ann Coulter's book about
mob-mentality. I used to rack my brain about what could cause
well-spoken, educated Christians to not be able to connect the dots
on over-spending, secularism, messing with the constitution,
dragging down traditional institutions, lack of patriotism etc and
the effects that these thing will have on US society. Michael
Savage calls Liberalism a mental dis-order. Others say these people
are crazy or are un-american or had something happen to them in
their childhood. The best explanation is a combination of mostly
mob mentality, aided by the main stream media and lack of education
and critical thinking. It's not necessarily a right-brain or left
brain issue, nor is it evil vs. good, or secular vs. spiritual.
Although, each of these contribute to the mob-mentality.
John K| 7.21.11 @ 12:14PM
That will be why our last Socialist Home Secretary banned
Michael Savage from entering Britain. We British serfs should not
have to put up with a nasty American, much less one actually called
"Savage", putting ideas into our heads, that would never do.
DaveS| 7.19.11 @ 8:23PM
When political class ancestors in the aristocracy went to war -
and either on or lost - they always came home to their chalets and
castles. Thus, the lack of rational and long-term positive results
in the net affairs of Europe. We have Greece, Portugal, a decrepit
culture represented well by Amsterdam, unemployed youth of
socialist parents. What a mess.
POST American| 7.19.11 @ 11:31PM
"----We are using MASSIVE third world
immigration to DESTROY British culture
once and for all ---FOREVER."
-TONY BLAIR
Fmr PM/ Globalist/ Cultural and Demographic EUGENIST/
---future President of the EU?
(Daily Mail interview)
This RIIA-CFR/UN 'continuity of agenda' rules
across the west. Take a look at our borders,
at Mexico, at our culture.
Need we say more?
Mistral| 7.20.11 @ 4:41PM
We need a Ron Paul in the EU to help us remove thousands of
political sinecures and quangos; tens of thousands of elected and
appointed local, national and supra-national "mis"representatives
who waste tax-payers money daily on wasteful ideas and actions -
stretch-limousines; gay-parades (and we do not have even one
heterosexual parade as they would be deemed homophobic);
town-twinships by the myriads; endless committees that do and
achieve relatively little; corruption in the most glaring forms;
expense accounts and financial privileges; carbon monoxide credit
payments amongst other grossly uneconomic so-called "green"
policies and many under-the-table masonic deals with strange
hand-shakes and so forth. Amidst this we find politicians who
failed after years of milking their national politial systems then
retire to become European Members of Parliament or irresponsible
faceless bureaucrats who only appear locally, if at all, at
election time.
Today, 2 Democrat leaders are arguing for less democracy.It is
supreme irony that the so called leaders who fostered and led this
unending economic crisis now argue for a monopoly on governing. By
contrast, I am seeing that internet gamers decoded a protein that
had stumped scientists for years and it took them 2 weeks. Nasa
admits that geeks going through their data found two big planets
that the experts missed. Sure sems that not only are two heads
better than one, but millions might be light years ahead of the two
in problem solving.
alice moore| 7.19.11 @ 7:09AM
Mr. Gregg, what you write about in Europe is a symptom. The problem lies with the electorate. It seems that the respective electorates of Greece, France, and Belgium have to be looked at for the root cause. BTW in Greece if its citizenry becomes tired of the Papandreous they just turn to the Karaminlis family then vice versa.
PolishKnight| 7.19.11 @ 9:50AM
I have something to scare you, Alice: The electorate makes little difference. At least to a point.
Provided they don't get the pitchforks and make a march on the capital, the elites can do what they do best: Grab and consolidate power. Since power helps them to get more power and they can use both disasters and prosperity to increase their pocketbooks and political-facebook friends lists, then they can manage the electorate relatively easily. Look at us! Are we stopping them?
So we vote in a few tea partying politicians some of whom are sincere and they quickly hit road blocks. The red tape and cronying in Washington is massive and those who go along, get along. Those who don't, wind up serving a single term (sometimes voluntarily as a term limit pledge) and leave.
Those electorates who aren't direct or indirect recipients of the welfare state and entitlements become cheerleaders for those in power because it feels good to at least emotionally be on the same side. It's like someone cheering for Ghengas Khan as he rides in the city gates. He's probably going to kill everyone, but they can at least not cheer for losers.
masly| 7.20.11 @ 2:39AM
When political class ancestors in the aristocracy went to war - and either on or lost - they always came home to their chalets and castles.
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Occam's Tool| 7.19.11 @ 1:30PM
I became interested in this phenomenon when I lived in New Zealand. I joined the National Party as a permanent resident, and was being recruited to run on the slate as an MP before I had received my citizenship. I would have gotten citizenship easily, but my wife (and then, I) wanted to come home so badly that I gave up my desire to run for Parliament.
There were about 10,000 members of the NP, which was quite inexpensive to join, in a country of 4 million. It is now the governing party in NZ.
RCV| 7.19.11 @ 10:15PM
Any country would be lucky to have you, OT.
Alan Brooks| 7.19.11 @ 9:40PM
The Bushes were (past tense) the most anti-conservative family in history.
JP| 7.19.11 @ 7:28AM
When I lived in Germany I was surprised at how little difference existed between Left and Right. The SPD and CDU are essientially the same and only vary in degree. The last truly independent German politician was the late Bavarian Govenor Franz Josef Strauss. He died in 1988. In those days, Bavaria was to Germany was Texas is to the US.
But today's political class in Europe is what Obama intends to implement here. But, in Europe the political class is overseeing an aging, lazy, and apathetic polity. The only real energy I see in Europe comes from its growing Muslim minorities. The future of Europe lies with them.
Wayne | 7.19.11 @ 7:48PM
I think Obama is skipping the European model is going right to the soviet model.
Deborah D| 7.19.11 @ 7:32AM
This article shows why it is so important to have citizen legislators. This article also shows why politicians fight against those damn citizens (Tea Partiers) and folks like Palin, Cain etc. They, the media, and many of us out here believe we need experienced "politicians." We don't. We need people with common sense who can make their own way in the world, go into politics to get something done, and then return to the world.
Redstateboy| 7.19.11 @ 8:23AM
Liber-ulism IS a Mental Disorder. How else can you explain Liber-uls insistence on following a model that proves - throughout time - to be a dysfunctional way for men to govern themselves.
And Here we have Das Messiah - a blithering idiot boob - who is so full of the Faith of Liber-ul socialist ideology - that he cannot see the Forest for the Trees.
John Navratil| 7.19.11 @ 9:19AM
Redstateboy,
Selfishness is the explanation. As Babara Michulski said while campaigning twenty years ago:
"The poor have nothing to give. The middle class has nothing left to give. So let's go get it from those who've got it."
PolishKnight| 7.19.11 @ 9:55AM
What a delightful lie. The middle class can give up their vacations to pay taxes, sacrifice their retirement funds for overpriced marxist college educations for their daughters, and sign up for 30 year low interest mortgages for 2 bedroom shacks their grandparents rented for 5 bucks a week.
In addition, Michulski regards the middle class as traitors (although she won't say so). During the cold war, they fought against the beloved communists in Korea and Vietnam and now are the primary electorate voting against the left except when the independents foolishly buy into whatever cool aid they're selling that week. So Michulski runs ads and slogans about being "For the middle class" while bringing in as many illegals as possible to reward with amnesty and future government jobs.
She's no better than George Soros.
Walking Horse| 7.19.11 @ 11:08AM
Michulski may be worse than Soros. At least Soros doesn't expect anybody to vote for his sorry ***.
The middle class is the enemy of these people. The rich are already bought off, in no small part facilitated by some of these old relationships among the "elites". The poor are purchased with bread and circus. Small business folk and other middle class people who are not already bound and gagged are the last group of folk who have the incentive to resist tyranny.
John Navratil| 7.19.11 @ 2:00PM
Polish Knight,
Rereading my post, I see it could be taken as support for Michulski's redistributionist crap. I'll restate that liberalism is selfish rather than delusional. These people know what they are doing. In their arrogance they "know" they know better than you or I.
PolishKnight| 7.19.11 @ 3:27PM
I'm rather proud that I've angered leftists with The Truth sufficiently to get them to walk out of the room in disgust. It's the ultimate compliment.
One of The Truth's that angers them is the observation that they're not going to covert the USA, and Europe for that matter, into Detroit and then magically have it become Sweden with warm water beaches.
Most of the remaining leftists who have no skin in the game: non-elites or bread-and-circus types are truly delusional in that they are just cheering on Caesar. Leftism is government worship because government is an awe inspiring thing. It can make, or break, any puny individual. God is this thing you choose to have faith in but do you dare not pay your taxes?
astorian| 7.19.11 @ 10:28AM
As Mark Steyn put it well, in most European countries, voters have only two choices: a slightly left of center party and a slightly right of the slightly left of center party.
As a result, the"conservative" parties of Europe invariably campaign on a platform of "We can administer socialist programs more efficiently than the Socialists."
Chrisiv| 7.19.11 @ 1:29PM
Very true. Like sheep, they are all followers of the failed socialist ideology. You cannot rely on the news media for anything different, no original thought. It's like Mob-mentality. Only will the people change when they are educated, when they realize that nothing is free and they all have to compete for a good life. The mob-mentality tells them to riot when they don't get what they want, when they don't see a conflict between their actions and desires, when they always fine a scapegoat and never look inward. These are clear signs of a secular society.
Walking Horse| 7.19.11 @ 11:02AM
The only good news about these self-appointed elites is that they are making government policy. If they were making babies, their issue would suffer from hemophilia or other genetic defects. Oh, wait, European royalty already tried doing both ...
Chrisiv| 7.19.11 @ 11:27AM
Good article. But the author did not point to the root of the problem. In a democracy, the people select their leaders. The people's mind are shaped by what they read and then by the community in which they live. Well, that cumminity's view is shaped by the left-wing news media. The media tend to attract these left-wing people who have a disconnect between theory that sounds good and reality (practical matter), e.g like meeting a business payroll, or running an enterprise that have to meander their way thru costly regaulations. This lack of understanding of basic economics, is almost a definition of the socialist mind - abstract theory that sounds good but very little relevance to reality. In the US, we say this is being smart by half. I am hopeful that with the Internet, more voices on practicality will be heard, rather than the limited minds of the main street media.
Sarbojit| 7.19.11 @ 12:05PM
Conservative commentators are on average more literate, erudite and well-read than liberal nouveau-proles. So, it would do some good to the general understanding of what ails Europe today, to shine a light on the monarchies and their continued philosophical influence in the age of democracy on the new social democrats.
The long-term northern - Scandinavian and Teutonic - genetic roots of most European royalty is well researched. Would that I that someone with more facility with language might trace these roots into the present.
The roots of American leftism might then be understood as less of European origin, with its egalitarian history, than of Russian, with its domination history.
Europe, after all, is the civilisation of the Rennaissance, a people which retrieved its own history from the Arabs, who for a time appeared to have usurped the Greek, the Roman, the Persian and the Sanskrit for itself. Such an Europe may still find its way back, as we all hope Americans will step back from the abyss of Obama.
Chrisiv| 7.19.11 @ 1:10PM
Lots of seemingly drunken gibberish here, SoberJit. This is not a historical- cultural phenomena, This (political ideology) is from current education and from where people get their info.
PolishKnight| 7.19.11 @ 3:33PM
I know it's an awful film and hardly on the same level as Greek or Renaissance literature, but have you ever seen the old Sean Connery B sci-film film "Zardoz?"
A spoiled, decadent civilization begs barbarians to come in and kill them and put them out of their misery. Residents scream "Give me the gift of death! Please!" and happily present their bosoms.
American leftists are like that. They really want to see the evil American economy destroyed and don't really care much about what happens after that. At least the cool aid drinking comet cultists may have hoped they were getting a ride afterwards.
John Navratil| 7.19.11 @ 10:02PM
PolishKnight,
This comment is really off-topic, but I can't resist as I once (has it been thirty years) sat down to watch "Zardoz". I am one of those who watch films until the end. I sat through "Macon County Line", "Last Tango in Paris", "Reds" and "Titanic". I walked on "Zardoz".
Should I rent it?
Don| 7.19.11 @ 1:20PM
I've come to see progressivism/socialism as a new feudalism. People call it the Ruling Class vs the Country Class. We have our monarchs - (Obama, Bushes, Clintons, etc.) who live lavishly and retire multi-millionaires many times over today - compared to Truman and other ex-Presidents who retired fairly modestly. We have our 'Nobles' - Reid, McCain, Pelosi, etc. - who live by their own rules and who are really indifferent to what is really going on in the real world. We have our religious order - Rev. Wright, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, etc. - whose job is not to save souls but support the Ruling Class. Then we have the Barons - who fund the lives of the Ruling Class - Goldman Sachs, BOA, etc. And we have our court jesters, Bill Mahrer, John Stewart, Steven Colbert - who while occasionally tweak the Rulers really save their venom for the Country Class rubes who are 'too stupid' to know what's good for them. And then there is the rest of us. Half of us (the peasants) are bought and paid for by the scraps tossed to us from the banquet tables of the Ruling Class (ie Government programs that enslave rather than liberate) bought and paid for by a shrinking class of the Craftsmen, Builders, etc. who pay most of the bills. Maybe it's just the natural order of things - Feudalism to Collapse to Republic to Democracy and back to Feudalism - wash, rinse repeat.
JimH| 7.19.11 @ 1:23PM
Of course this is why China used to use eunuchs for significant government positions. Possibly a practice which should be brought back.
cicero| 7.19.11 @ 4:46PM
The cruel thing about democeracy is that we have to actually get up and vote for the people we are now complaining about. The trouble is that we have worked ourselves into a position where those who should be running for leadership positions cannot afford the time or money to do so.
In Michigan, until last November, we have been electing governors who have never held a job in the real world. You can go all the way back to the 60s, with George Romney to find a governor who actually held a job in the private sector. The rest came out of college, ran for elective office, and worked their way up from office to office, or, like Granholm, came out of law school, and went into government work before entering elective positions.
And we wonder why we are plundered by our governing class to fund their positions and life styles.
In the 1st century B.C., Julius Ceasar, when he wnted to rule Rome, plundered Gaul, and used the proceeds to bribe the Roman electorate. Our political class can't get to Gaul, so they plunder us and bribe the non-taxpaying sector of society in return forr their votes.
Chrisiv| 7.19.11 @ 7:36PM
Look, you guys have to read Ann Coulter's book about mob-mentality. I used to rack my brain about what could cause well-spoken, educated Christians to not be able to connect the dots on over-spending, secularism, messing with the constitution, dragging down traditional institutions, lack of patriotism etc and the effects that these thing will have on US society. Michael Savage calls Liberalism a mental dis-order. Others say these people are crazy or are un-american or had something happen to them in their childhood. The best explanation is a combination of mostly mob mentality, aided by the main stream media and lack of education and critical thinking. It's not necessarily a right-brain or left brain issue, nor is it evil vs. good, or secular vs. spiritual. Although, each of these contribute to the mob-mentality.
John K| 7.21.11 @ 12:14PM
That will be why our last Socialist Home Secretary banned Michael Savage from entering Britain. We British serfs should not have to put up with a nasty American, much less one actually called "Savage", putting ideas into our heads, that would never do.
DaveS| 7.19.11 @ 8:23PM
When political class ancestors in the aristocracy went to war - and either on or lost - they always came home to their chalets and castles. Thus, the lack of rational and long-term positive results in the net affairs of Europe. We have Greece, Portugal, a decrepit culture represented well by Amsterdam, unemployed youth of socialist parents. What a mess.
POST American| 7.19.11 @ 11:31PM
"----We are using MASSIVE third world
immigration to DESTROY British culture
once and for all ---FOREVER."
-TONY BLAIR
Fmr PM/ Globalist/ Cultural and Demographic EUGENIST/
---future President of the EU?
(Daily Mail interview)
This RIIA-CFR/UN 'continuity of agenda' rules
across the west. Take a look at our borders,
at Mexico, at our culture.
Need we say more?
Mistral| 7.20.11 @ 4:41PM
We need a Ron Paul in the EU to help us remove thousands of political sinecures and quangos; tens of thousands of elected and appointed local, national and supra-national "mis"representatives who waste tax-payers money daily on wasteful ideas and actions - stretch-limousines; gay-parades (and we do not have even one heterosexual parade as they would be deemed homophobic); town-twinships by the myriads; endless committees that do and achieve relatively little; corruption in the most glaring forms; expense accounts and financial privileges; carbon monoxide credit payments amongst other grossly uneconomic so-called "green" policies and many under-the-table masonic deals with strange hand-shakes and so forth. Amidst this we find politicians who failed after years of milking their national politial systems then retire to become European Members of Parliament or irresponsible faceless bureaucrats who only appear locally, if at all, at election time.
God save us from this socialist lunacy!
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across the west. Take a look at our borders,
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Claire Solt PhD| 9.29.11 @ 11:30AM
Today, 2 Democrat leaders are arguing for less democracy.It is supreme irony that the so called leaders who fostered and led this unending economic crisis now argue for a monopoly on governing. By contrast, I am seeing that internet gamers decoded a protein that had stumped scientists for years and it took them 2 weeks. Nasa admits that geeks going through their data found two big planets that the experts missed. Sure sems that not only are two heads better than one, but millions might be light years ahead of the two in problem solving.