Will Justice Kagan do the honorable thing when the PPACA cases
reach SCOTUS?
Many of the issues raised in the constitutional challenges to
the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) seem
hopelessly arcane and confusing, and not merely to those of us who
lack law degrees. Among legal scholars, there are as many opinions
about these lawsuits as there are scholars themselves. For every
constitutional expert who claims that PPACA’s individual mandate
goes far beyond the authority legitimately wielded by the federal
government there is another who insists that it falls well within
its enumerated powers. There is, however, at least one point on
which there is unanimous agreement -- ObamaCare’s ultimate fate
will be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. And it is increasingly
obvious that one of the Court’s justices is burdened with a
conflict of interest where that unpopular law is concerned.
From the moment President Obama announced her nomination,
Elena Kagan has faced serious questions about her role in preparing
the legal defense of PPACA. And, contrary to the claims of the
White House and its allies in the news media, these queries cannot
be written off as politically-motivated smear tactics generated by
the "Republican noise machine." It’s hardly unreasonable to assume
that, in her former role as Solicitor General, she would have
played some part in preparing for the onslaught of lawsuits that
ObamaCare was bound to provoke. Nonetheless, both Kagan and the
Department of Justice (DOJ) insist that she did not, a claim
undermined by their dilatory responses to document requests from
Congress and numerous Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)
requests.
From the beginning, the DOJ has claimed that "During her
tenure, former Solicitor General Elena Kagan did not play any
substantive role in litigation challenging health care reform
legislation, and the documents that were released reflect that." In
reality, however, the released documents reflect precisely the
reverse. A series of 2010 emails obtained pursuant to the numerous
FOIA requests clearly show that the acting Solicitor General who
recently defended ObamaCare in the Eleventh Circuit Court of
Appeals was assigned to the PPACA litigation team by Kagan herself.
In anticipation of "the inevitable challenges to the health care
proposals that are pending," then-Deputy Solicitor General Neal
Katyal asked Kagan for permission to begin defense preparations and
she explicitly granted it.
Shortly after receiving the go-ahead from Kagan, Katyal
sent an
email to one of his DOJ colleagues which reads as
follows: "Elena would definitely like OSG [Office of
Solicitor General] to be involved in this set of issues. I will
handle this myself …we will bring in Elena as needed." That he was
foolish enough to put such information in an email may or may not
explain Katyal’s recent
resignation from the DOJ, but it has certainly fueled the
growing interest on Capitol Hill concerning Justice Kagan’s ability
to render an objective opinion on any ObamaCare case. Last week, in
fact, a group of Republicans sent a letter to the House Judiciary
Committee requesting an investigation into Kagan’s involvement in
the administration’s preparations for anti-ObamaCare
litigation.
The GOP
letter, whose forty-nine signatures include those of
presidential candidates Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul, cites the
section of the United States code (Section 455 of Title 28) that
applies to Justice Kagan’s situation and spells out the judicial
conduct required by that statute: "According to the law, a justice
should recuse themselves 'in cases where he served in
government employment and in such capacity participated as counsel,
advisor or material witness concerning the proceedings or expressed
an opinion concerning the merits of the particular case in
controversy.'" The letter goes on to suggest that Kagan was
less than forthcoming about the ObamaCare issue during her
confirmation hearings.
During those hearings, Senator Tom Coburn asked her, "Was
there at any time -- and I'm not asking what you expressed or
anything else -- was there at any time you were asked in your
present position to express an opinion on the merits of the
health-care bill?" Kagan replied in the negative, but the letter’s
signatories are clearly skeptical: "Contrary to her 2010
confirmation testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee,
recently released Department of Justice documents indicate that
Justice Kagan actively participated with her Obama administration
colleagues in formulating a defense of PPACA." Nonetheless,
although she has recused herself in several other cases since
joining the Court, Kagan has given no sign that she intends to do
so in cases involving ObamaCare.
And there can be little doubt about which way she would
rule in a case involving the power of Congress as expressed through
the Commerce Clause, which is the crux of virtually every
constitutional challenge to PPACA. During her confirmation
hearings, she stated that this oft-abused clause has been
legitimately "applied to anything that would substantially affect
interstate commerce." This is precisely the argument that her
former underling, Neal Katyal, made to the Eleventh Circuit last
month. In other words, even if she did not participate in preparing
the defense of ObamaCare, she has publically indicated that she
concurs with the congressional Democrats who wrote the individual
mandate into the “reform” law based on the notion that the failure
to buy insurance is an act of interstate commerce.
Self-recusal is the only honest course of action open to
Justice Kagan if any of the constitutional challenges to ObamaCare
reach the Supreme Court. As Solicitor General she was clearly
involved in orchestrating the administration's legal strategy for
warding off such lawsuits and, as a Supreme Court nominee, she
expressed sympathy with the views of the defendant. It’s not even a
close call for anyone with respect for the Court and concern for
public confidence in our legal system. But this is the Obama
administration we're talking about here. So, when PPACA finally
winds up before the Supreme Court, it is probable that Kagan will
be sitting there with the honest justices and pretending that her
obvious conflict of interest is just a product of the conservative
imagination.
About the Author
David Catron is a health care revenue cycle expert who has spent more than twenty years working for and consulting with hospitals and medical practices. He has an MBA from the University of Georgia and blogs at Health Care BS.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Never let facts or legal proglems get in the way
of the 'agenda'. Did it every occur to anyone that getting the
'honorable' Justice Kagan on The Court is a way to try to
predetermine the outcome of the court challenge that everyone knew
would come?
Darin| 7.7.11 @ 6:48AM
Because she had a hand in crafting the law, honor and integrity
would require her to recuse herself from any rulings pertaining to
it. Whether she does so remains to be seen. If she does, great. If
not, a legitimate question would be to ask why not. Also, it would
act as a precedent for conservative judges not to recuse themselves
from cases in which they have a vested interest.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 7.7.11 @ 7:00AM
This is one of the more humorous articles ever at TAS.
A liberal who is an avowed statist do the honorable thing? I'm
still laughing at the concept.
You should have written this for the Onion.
Mike D.| 7.7.11 @ 8:33AM
Amen! When the agenda is in question, NOTHING gets in the way
least of all intergrity.
She has no intention of sitting this out, never had and never will.
She was put there for a reason.
Wayne | 7.7.11 @ 12:53PM
This is why the Democrats have attacked Thomas, saying he should
recuse himself because of his wife's actions.
But how about trying Kagan for the same offense as Roger
Clemens?
Tom| 7.8.11 @ 2:26AM
They should so Roger Clements her but lying is acceptable if
your a liberal
SpiralArchitect| 7.7.11 @ 1:39PM
You should have written this for the Onion
Stayin true to form, Bill.
Purpleguy| 7.7.11 @ 5:13PM
Well then you must really be rolling over the conflict of
interest, alleged quid pro quo and influence peddling from the oh
so honorable Justice Clarence Thomas and his Tea Party wife? People
in glass houses ...
Oldefarte| 7.9.11 @ 10:58AM
Neither Justice Thomas nor his wife was active in the writing
process of this law, idiot [but you have three guesses as to WHO
was so]!!!!!!!!!
Sandy| 7.7.11 @ 7:45AM
Expecting a liberal to do the honorable thing is not going to
happen. Kagan should be forced off any possible Supreme Court case
involving Ocare.
One of the attorneys working on the VA Obamacare lawsuit warned-
With the recent appellate success in one state, if the 2 remaining
appellate decisions go in favor of Obamacare, it is possible that
the Supreme Court would not take the case, as all or most of the
appellate decisions approved of Ocare. We still have to work on
getting good Republicans elected to both houses, and the presidency
so that the law can be repealed.
CtoC| 7.7.11 @ 7:55AM
Show me a liberal who has done anything honorable in the past 3
to however many years, and this article might have been worth
writing.
Purpleguy| 7.7.11 @ 5:31PM
Obama go Osama ... a man of his words...
skip| 7.8.11 @ 6:43PM
Yep. His first day he gave his word gitmo would be closed in a
year. While you're crediting Obama, why don't you share where the
information came from that led the Navy Seals to go after Osama
after waiting on their heels 16 hours so Obama could sleep on it,
unless the rumor is true that Panetta made the call after the 16
hour wait because Obama wouldn't give the 'okay'.
Ken (Old Texican)| 7.7.11 @ 8:23AM
What kind of odds can I get?
I'm betting she doesn't recuse herself.
Zexufang| 7.7.11 @ 8:39AM
Kagan recuse?
Ain't gonna happen.
Stormzeye| 7.7.11 @ 9:18AM
There's a federal statute (28 USC 47) that would actually BAR
(not voluntary) a Supreme Court justice from rendering an opinion
in this case given Kagan's prior involvement with Obamacare
See:http://www.fjc.gov/public/pdf.nsf/lookup/Recusal.pdf/$file/Recusal.pdf
Conservative View| 7.7.11 @ 10:13AM
Unfortunatly that law is nothing more than a piece of paper. Who
do you suppose can or would enforce it? Who would arrest a member
of SCOTUS for breaking it? Not a soul. The deck, as they say, is
stacked.
Let's face it. She was put on the court for a singular reason,
to defend the Presidents plan. That's her job, and we must expect
her to do it. We can gripe and complain all we want, we can call
foul, we can wave the piece of paper in the air as we pronounce our
igdinaton, and it wont do a bit of good.
People, I'm sorry to say this, but we've been had.
Purpleguy| 7.7.11 @ 5:45PM
Interesting how you believe your competition is just as
parochial as your own side ...
Oldefarte| 7.9.11 @ 11:01AM
'Parochial' maybe, CORRUPT never!!!!!!
Stan Redmond| 7.7.11 @ 9:21AM
How can she have a conflict of interest? Her interestes do not
conflict with his most holy King Obama [pbuh].
Dan| 7.7.11 @ 9:36AM
If she doesn't recuse herself it might give a legitimacy to
future impeachment proceedings. It will be too little to late but
something to consider.
Cpm| 7.7.11 @ 9:45AM
I thought the accompanying photo was Sylvester Stallone in
drag.
Teaghan| 7.7.11 @ 10:29AM
Is the woman a beast or what!
Bill Diebold| 7.7.11 @ 11:00AM
..a real Old Spice poster gurl...
SeniorD| 7.7.11 @ 9:58AM
In re: "Commerce Clause" - the camel has gone through the eye of
a needle and this country now exists trying to figure out "how many
laws can be based on this common sense wording morphed into a legal
justification for extra-Constitutional power?"
This one's too easy, but I'll give it a shot. Between her day
job of playing a U.S. Supreme Court Justice in charge of
supporting, defending and maintaining the American Constitution,
her night gig of playing Miss Piggy on the Muppets shouldn't get in
the way of ruling on (i.e. shoving along) this piece of Marxist
legislation. And besides, as several posters have previously
pointed out, why do you think this president put her ample b-side
on that bench in the first place? Certainly wasn't to decorate
room.
Sorry, kids. "Butch" Kagan will recuse herself when she, "Slick"
Hillary and PBS hired gun Mark Shields lose one of their 9
collective chins.
Granted, this wild west analysis falls under the street
definition of petty cheap shots ... so sue me. I'd look to "Fast
Johnny" Boehner for some help, but he's too busy playing golf with
"Bad" Barry while dabbing his weepy eyes. "Big Mitch" McConnell?
Not gonna happen. Word has it that he's been tied up recently
trying to lose one of his OWN 3 chins.
I'd try to leave some positive words here, but the only ones
that come to mind are the one's Marshal Dillon muttered when he
informed his trapped deputy: "Well, Chester, looks like the posse
ain't comin.'
The End?
David W| 7.7.11 @ 10:14AM
if it can be proved that Kagan lied during confirmation hearings
would that not be considered grounds for impeachment? Can a Justict
be impeached for lying under oath (assuming she was under
oath)?
AgentRose| 7.7.11 @ 10:42AM
Everyone knows that she has a conflict of interest but she's a
Democrat and will get away with it since the Republicans have no
cojones!!
AgentRose| 7.7.11 @ 10:43AM
Look--after Obamacare gets a pass can Obama demand that everyone
buy a Chevy Volt for $50,000 and shut down transportation in this
country after he shuts down medicine?
Should Have Impeached| 7.7.11 @ 9:08PM
If he can get Congress to vote it in, apparentlyyyyy... and if
it can be justified by the Commerce Clause, it'll stick. No backin'
out of anything at that point.
jeff taylor| 7.7.11 @ 11:29AM
She was not involved with this legislation while Solicitor
General because she was sequestered by the man that would nominate
her to the Supreme Court. Why risk a guaranteed vote in your
favor?
Tom in Michigan| 7.7.11 @ 11:30AM
As sure as the sun rising in the east; Kagan will most assuredly
NOT recuse herself in the Obamacare case as it is her entire raison
d'etre.
She will instead, point out her recusal in other, less important
(to the Obamaviks, that is) cases as indicative of her judicial
integrity. She will also uphold the constitutionality of Obamacare,
regardless of the quality of the opposition's case.
Everybody knows this. Anybody who thinks otherwise is not paying
attention.
JP| 7.7.11 @ 12:00PM
In the end, it is up to the Judge herself to recuse herself. And
we know the chances of that happening. ObamaCare, is after all, the
President's landmark bill. There is no way she is going to
"sabotage" ObamaCare.
Ken (Old Texican)| 7.7.11 @ 12:14PM
C'mon guys,
what kind of odds are you giving me?
I would enjoy the cash. I've got a hundred dollars at pay pal
for each of you who is willing to give me acceptable odds.
McCandles| 7.7.11 @ 12:16PM
She's a Jewish lawyer from NYC. Daughter of a Jewish lawyer from
NYC. Did everything she could to ban our military recruiters from
Harvard. She abhors the military, and everything that once made
this nation great. What do you all expect she will do??
George S| 7.7.11 @ 12:26PM
Kagan is not the problem, not when you consider how many lower
court judges think the mandate provision is within the
constitutional powers of the Congress. The problem is that law
schools are churning out more Kagans every year. Even if Kagan does
recuse herself, Scalia and Thomas will not be around forever. And
there are fewer and fewer originalists being created. As they say,
do the math.
Anthony| 7.7.11 @ 12:28PM
In the new Obozo Alice -in-Wonderland America, which trumps all
truths and the Constitution, those with clear conflicts have no
duty to recuse themselves because they simply are entitled to any
presumption they desire. It's all for the CAUSE!!!
However, those with no conflict at all, i.e, Justice Thomas, must
recuse, because he simply stands in the way of the leftist march to
socialism.
Once this paradigm is understood, it all becomes clear.
The only way to leave this Alice-in-Wonderland America, is to kick
their collective leftist asses out of office.
MBD| 7.7.11 @ 1:00PM
It is not likely that her vote will be decisive on the issue of
Obamacare. It is most likely that the decisive vote will be that of
Justice Kennedy. If he votes to hold the legislation
unconstitutional (and is joined by the four conservatives), whether
she votes or not will make no difference since the vote will be 5-4
or 5-3 against the constitutionality of the act. If Kennedy, on the
other hand, votes to hold it constitutional, the act will be upheld
on a 5-4 vote if Kagan votes. If Kennedy joins the liberal block
without Kagan, the vote would likely be 4-4(assuming the four
conservatives vote against its constitutionality and the other
three liberals vote to uphold the act). This 4-4 split will result
in an affirmance of the ruling of the Circuit Courts' decisions.
Already, one of the Circuits has upheld the act. If the remaining
two also uphold the act (by reversing the District Courts'
rulings), a 4-4 ruling (without Kagan, but with Kennedy voting with
the liberals) by the Supreme Court will uphold the act. There is a
potentially interesting situation if the Circuits are split and the
Supreme Court reviews all three under consolidation and the result
is a 4-4 split, but the likelihood of this may not be very
great.
Gary| 7.7.11 @ 1:02PM
"So, when PPACA finally winds up before the Supreme Court, it is
probable that Kagan will be sitting there with the honest justices
and pretending that her obvious conflict of interest is just a
product of the conservative imagination."
You can count on it.
dnha14| 7.7.11 @ 1:27PM
Let's see now if I understand this correctly. The president's
top legislative priority and the president's top attorney and they
never discussed how they would get this through the courts, while
all the while they knew that's where it was going to end up. Wow,
seems realistic to me! But, what do I know, I'm just a stupid
conservative.
Dave Williams| 7.7.11 @ 1:28PM
A liberal do something of honor???? Especially when the increase
of state power hangs in the balance???? Hooo-hah-hah-hah-hah!!!!!
*wipes tears from eyes* Thanks for the laugh of the day (but the
crying will assuredly come later).
Bob Grant| 7.7.11 @ 2:08PM
John Lovitz wearing pearls.
dadfly| 7.7.11 @ 4:39PM
gee, i'm about to make my first ever political prediction: no,
she wont.
a statist will always take any means to an end.
Naturalborn Texican| 7.7.11 @ 5:05PM
I'm afraid I smell the toast burning.....and we ARE the
toast!!!
truzak| 7.7.11 @ 6:38PM
So why cannot the Chief Justice - given the evidence and even
the slightest appearance of a conflict of interest - force her to
recuse herself?
Where is the respect for, and the rule of, law anymore with this
bunch of Marxist phoneys? When the people see that the laws are
being ignored, when they feel they have no recourse to legal
protection unless they have contributed big bucks to Obama,
frustration builds and people are forced to take the law into their
own hands. One wonders if this is Obama's end game - to create
anarchy in the streets so as to declare martial law, completely
bypass the Congress and courts, and become what he already believes
he is - an emperor.
POST American| 7.7.11 @ 10:55PM
---Great piece!
BTW ---speaking of health, we've just learned
yet another neighbor, clean living, family sort,
has expired from stomach cancer at the age of
45.
Seems he was a great fan of those, now ON RECORD, GMO granola
cereals.
Once again, remember it was PM Harper who
secretly signed in saturation of the Canadian
commercial food chain with GMO over ten
years ago. Likewise certainly on this side of
the border.
He, and a few dozen others, should certainly
be facing death row.
Tainting and adulterating the mass food and water supply should
unquestionably be a capital crime of the very, very highest
order.
So why cannot the Chief Justice - given the evidence and even
the slightest appearance of a conflict of interest - force her to
recuse herself?
RCV| 7.8.11 @ 6:31PM
Beyond the scope of the CJ's powers to do so.
DANSHANTEAL| 7.8.11 @ 5:09PM
I'VE READ JUST ENUF TO BE DANGEROUS. THE DROPPINGS FROM THE DOJ
AND HER OFFICE INDICATE SHE HAD AN ACTIVE ROLE. HOW ACTIVE? SHE
SAID NOT A SUBSTANTIVE ROLE. REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
I WASN'T AWARE UNTIL TODAY THAT KATYAL LEFT THE DOJ; HIS TESTIMONY
ALONE WILL PUT HER UNDER. THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO SORT THROUGH
THE MESS AND WE HAVE JUSTICE KENNEDY TO FALL BACK ON.
RCV| 7.8.11 @ 6:30PM
She won't recuse herself, nor is she required to. Catron's long
article contains not one shred of evidence to support his claims
that Kagan was involved in the defense of the act. Instead, the
emails establish that she assigned someone else in the Solicitor's
office to head the task force. The calls for her to recuse herself
are nothing more than a political attempt to stack the deck, just
as are the calls of some lesftists for Justice Thomas to recuse
himself.
Michael Bowler| 7.9.11 @ 7:07AM
As the author indicated, Kagan will sit for the hearings
involving Obamacare, acting as though there is no problem. She is
setting herself up for impeachment, such an act would be
unprecedented none the less appropriate.
Of course, impeachment would have to wait for a serious
republican majority in the senate, but it could be done.
In the past, our supreme court has been somewhat removed from
political activism, only occasionally giving rulings that were
outrageous and rarely having justices acting like partisan hacks.
Even the nutjob liberals like Ginsberg observe some level of
decorum. Kagan will be as blatantly partisan as any can imagine,
making Sotomayor look conservative (yup, pretty ridiculous).
Oldefarte| 7.9.11 @ 11:05AM
This is precisely why I've opined many times as to the STUPIDITY
demonstrated by this country's voters on 11/4/2008, when it allowed
this president's election [and therefore his ability to appoint
such justices to the SCOTUS etc]. The one/only solution to the
prevention of further such damages is the elections of November of
next year!!!!!!!!!!
Bob Grant| 7.9.11 @ 9:14PM
Indeed! We cannot afford liberal replacements to Kennedy or
possibly Scalia in a second Obama term.
That disastrous result would be the anointing of a dictator with
no check or balance.
The end of America!
nyp| 7.9.11 @ 2:10PM
So Elena Kagan's involvement in "formulating a defense" of
health reform consisted of assigning work on the issue to someone
else?
That doesn't sound like evidence that she was directly involved.
Sounds more like the opposite.
Speedypete| 7.10.11 @ 3:26PM
I am still dumbfounded how a plurality of the Senate confirmed
her over so many deserving judges with decades of case law to
review. Maybe that is the reason I burst out laughing when I see
U.S. Senators speak from the pulpit like they have something to
offer us from on high. Hilarious that she is setting where she is
and that she is going to rule on that biggest POS legislation ever
concocted that she protected. We are insane!
IX-XI| 7.11.11 @ 3:51AM
Is it just me, or is Elena Kagan one of the butt ugliest women
you've ever seen?
jgo| 7.11.11 @ 1:00PM
The Socialist Insecurity Abomination, Medicare and Medicaid
already went far beyond constutional boundaries. ObummerCare is
worse.
This is precisely why I've opined many times as to the STUPIDITY
demonstrated by this country's voters on 11/4/2008, when it allowed
this president's election [and therefore his ability to appoint
such justices to the SCOTUS etc]. The one/only solution to the
prevention of further such damages is the elections of November of
next year!!!!!!!!!!
oldfart| 7.7.11 @ 6:41AM
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Never let facts or legal proglems get in the way of the 'agenda'. Did it every occur to anyone that getting the 'honorable' Justice Kagan on The Court is a way to try to predetermine the outcome of the court challenge that everyone knew would come?
Darin| 7.7.11 @ 6:48AM
Because she had a hand in crafting the law, honor and integrity would require her to recuse herself from any rulings pertaining to it. Whether she does so remains to be seen. If she does, great. If not, a legitimate question would be to ask why not. Also, it would act as a precedent for conservative judges not to recuse themselves from cases in which they have a vested interest.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 7.7.11 @ 7:00AM
This is one of the more humorous articles ever at TAS.
A liberal who is an avowed statist do the honorable thing? I'm still laughing at the concept.
You should have written this for the Onion.
Mike D.| 7.7.11 @ 8:33AM
Amen! When the agenda is in question, NOTHING gets in the way least of all intergrity.
She has no intention of sitting this out, never had and never will. She was put there for a reason.
Wayne | 7.7.11 @ 12:53PM
This is why the Democrats have attacked Thomas, saying he should recuse himself because of his wife's actions.
But how about trying Kagan for the same offense as Roger Clemens?
Tom| 7.8.11 @ 2:26AM
They should so Roger Clements her but lying is acceptable if your a liberal
SpiralArchitect| 7.7.11 @ 1:39PM
You should have written this for the Onion
Stayin true to form, Bill.
Purpleguy| 7.7.11 @ 5:13PM
Well then you must really be rolling over the conflict of interest, alleged quid pro quo and influence peddling from the oh so honorable Justice Clarence Thomas and his Tea Party wife? People in glass houses ...
Oldefarte| 7.9.11 @ 10:58AM
Neither Justice Thomas nor his wife was active in the writing process of this law, idiot [but you have three guesses as to WHO was so]!!!!!!!!!
Sandy| 7.7.11 @ 7:45AM
Expecting a liberal to do the honorable thing is not going to happen. Kagan should be forced off any possible Supreme Court case involving Ocare.
One of the attorneys working on the VA Obamacare lawsuit warned- With the recent appellate success in one state, if the 2 remaining appellate decisions go in favor of Obamacare, it is possible that the Supreme Court would not take the case, as all or most of the appellate decisions approved of Ocare. We still have to work on getting good Republicans elected to both houses, and the presidency so that the law can be repealed.
CtoC| 7.7.11 @ 7:55AM
Show me a liberal who has done anything honorable in the past 3 to however many years, and this article might have been worth writing.
Purpleguy| 7.7.11 @ 5:31PM
Obama go Osama ... a man of his words...
skip| 7.8.11 @ 6:43PM
Yep. His first day he gave his word gitmo would be closed in a year. While you're crediting Obama, why don't you share where the information came from that led the Navy Seals to go after Osama after waiting on their heels 16 hours so Obama could sleep on it, unless the rumor is true that Panetta made the call after the 16 hour wait because Obama wouldn't give the 'okay'.
Ken (Old Texican)| 7.7.11 @ 8:23AM
What kind of odds can I get?
I'm betting she doesn't recuse herself.
Zexufang| 7.7.11 @ 8:39AM
Kagan recuse?
Ain't gonna happen.
Stormzeye| 7.7.11 @ 9:18AM
There's a federal statute (28 USC 47) that would actually BAR (not voluntary) a Supreme Court justice from rendering an opinion in this case given Kagan's prior involvement with Obamacare See:http://www.fjc.gov/public/pdf.nsf/lookup/Recusal.pdf/$file/Recusal.pdf
Conservative View| 7.7.11 @ 10:13AM
Unfortunatly that law is nothing more than a piece of paper. Who do you suppose can or would enforce it? Who would arrest a member of SCOTUS for breaking it? Not a soul. The deck, as they say, is stacked.
Let's face it. She was put on the court for a singular reason, to defend the Presidents plan. That's her job, and we must expect her to do it. We can gripe and complain all we want, we can call foul, we can wave the piece of paper in the air as we pronounce our igdinaton, and it wont do a bit of good.
People, I'm sorry to say this, but we've been had.
Purpleguy| 7.7.11 @ 5:45PM
Interesting how you believe your competition is just as parochial as your own side ...
Oldefarte| 7.9.11 @ 11:01AM
'Parochial' maybe, CORRUPT never!!!!!!
Stan Redmond| 7.7.11 @ 9:21AM
How can she have a conflict of interest? Her interestes do not conflict with his most holy King Obama [pbuh].
Dan| 7.7.11 @ 9:36AM
If she doesn't recuse herself it might give a legitimacy to future impeachment proceedings. It will be too little to late but something to consider.
Cpm| 7.7.11 @ 9:45AM
I thought the accompanying photo was Sylvester Stallone in drag.
Teaghan| 7.7.11 @ 10:29AM
Is the woman a beast or what!
Bill Diebold| 7.7.11 @ 11:00AM
..a real Old Spice poster gurl...
SeniorD| 7.7.11 @ 9:58AM
In re: "Commerce Clause" - the camel has gone through the eye of a needle and this country now exists trying to figure out "how many laws can be based on this common sense wording morphed into a legal justification for extra-Constitutional power?"
Dave| 7.7.11 @ 10:00AM
This one's too easy, but I'll give it a shot. Between her day job of playing a U.S. Supreme Court Justice in charge of supporting, defending and maintaining the American Constitution, her night gig of playing Miss Piggy on the Muppets shouldn't get in the way of ruling on (i.e. shoving along) this piece of Marxist legislation. And besides, as several posters have previously pointed out, why do you think this president put her ample b-side on that bench in the first place? Certainly wasn't to decorate room.
Sorry, kids. "Butch" Kagan will recuse herself when she, "Slick" Hillary and PBS hired gun Mark Shields lose one of their 9 collective chins.
Granted, this wild west analysis falls under the street definition of petty cheap shots ... so sue me. I'd look to "Fast Johnny" Boehner for some help, but he's too busy playing golf with "Bad" Barry while dabbing his weepy eyes. "Big Mitch" McConnell? Not gonna happen. Word has it that he's been tied up recently trying to lose one of his OWN 3 chins.
I'd try to leave some positive words here, but the only ones that come to mind are the one's Marshal Dillon muttered when he informed his trapped deputy: "Well, Chester, looks like the posse ain't comin.'
The End?
David W| 7.7.11 @ 10:14AM
if it can be proved that Kagan lied during confirmation hearings would that not be considered grounds for impeachment? Can a Justict be impeached for lying under oath (assuming she was under oath)?
AgentRose| 7.7.11 @ 10:42AM
Everyone knows that she has a conflict of interest but she's a Democrat and will get away with it since the Republicans have no cojones!!
AgentRose| 7.7.11 @ 10:43AM
Look--after Obamacare gets a pass can Obama demand that everyone buy a Chevy Volt for $50,000 and shut down transportation in this country after he shuts down medicine?
Should Have Impeached| 7.7.11 @ 9:08PM
If he can get Congress to vote it in, apparentlyyyyy... and if it can be justified by the Commerce Clause, it'll stick. No backin' out of anything at that point.
jeff taylor| 7.7.11 @ 11:29AM
She was not involved with this legislation while Solicitor General because she was sequestered by the man that would nominate her to the Supreme Court. Why risk a guaranteed vote in your favor?
Tom in Michigan| 7.7.11 @ 11:30AM
As sure as the sun rising in the east; Kagan will most assuredly NOT recuse herself in the Obamacare case as it is her entire raison d'etre.
She will instead, point out her recusal in other, less important (to the Obamaviks, that is) cases as indicative of her judicial integrity. She will also uphold the constitutionality of Obamacare, regardless of the quality of the opposition's case.
Everybody knows this. Anybody who thinks otherwise is not paying attention.
JP| 7.7.11 @ 12:00PM
In the end, it is up to the Judge herself to recuse herself. And we know the chances of that happening. ObamaCare, is after all, the President's landmark bill. There is no way she is going to "sabotage" ObamaCare.
Ken (Old Texican)| 7.7.11 @ 12:14PM
C'mon guys,
what kind of odds are you giving me?
I would enjoy the cash. I've got a hundred dollars at pay pal for each of you who is willing to give me acceptable odds.
McCandles| 7.7.11 @ 12:16PM
She's a Jewish lawyer from NYC. Daughter of a Jewish lawyer from NYC. Did everything she could to ban our military recruiters from Harvard. She abhors the military, and everything that once made this nation great. What do you all expect she will do??
George S| 7.7.11 @ 12:26PM
Kagan is not the problem, not when you consider how many lower court judges think the mandate provision is within the constitutional powers of the Congress. The problem is that law schools are churning out more Kagans every year. Even if Kagan does recuse herself, Scalia and Thomas will not be around forever. And there are fewer and fewer originalists being created. As they say, do the math.
Anthony| 7.7.11 @ 12:28PM
In the new Obozo Alice -in-Wonderland America, which trumps all truths and the Constitution, those with clear conflicts have no duty to recuse themselves because they simply are entitled to any presumption they desire. It's all for the CAUSE!!!
However, those with no conflict at all, i.e, Justice Thomas, must recuse, because he simply stands in the way of the leftist march to socialism.
Once this paradigm is understood, it all becomes clear.
The only way to leave this Alice-in-Wonderland America, is to kick their collective leftist asses out of office.
MBD| 7.7.11 @ 1:00PM
It is not likely that her vote will be decisive on the issue of Obamacare. It is most likely that the decisive vote will be that of Justice Kennedy. If he votes to hold the legislation unconstitutional (and is joined by the four conservatives), whether she votes or not will make no difference since the vote will be 5-4 or 5-3 against the constitutionality of the act. If Kennedy, on the other hand, votes to hold it constitutional, the act will be upheld on a 5-4 vote if Kagan votes. If Kennedy joins the liberal block without Kagan, the vote would likely be 4-4(assuming the four conservatives vote against its constitutionality and the other three liberals vote to uphold the act). This 4-4 split will result in an affirmance of the ruling of the Circuit Courts' decisions. Already, one of the Circuits has upheld the act. If the remaining two also uphold the act (by reversing the District Courts' rulings), a 4-4 ruling (without Kagan, but with Kennedy voting with the liberals) by the Supreme Court will uphold the act. There is a potentially interesting situation if the Circuits are split and the Supreme Court reviews all three under consolidation and the result is a 4-4 split, but the likelihood of this may not be very great.
Gary| 7.7.11 @ 1:02PM
"So, when PPACA finally winds up before the Supreme Court, it is probable that Kagan will be sitting there with the honest justices and pretending that her obvious conflict of interest is just a product of the conservative imagination."
You can count on it.
dnha14| 7.7.11 @ 1:27PM
Let's see now if I understand this correctly. The president's top legislative priority and the president's top attorney and they never discussed how they would get this through the courts, while all the while they knew that's where it was going to end up. Wow, seems realistic to me! But, what do I know, I'm just a stupid conservative.
Dave Williams| 7.7.11 @ 1:28PM
A liberal do something of honor???? Especially when the increase of state power hangs in the balance???? Hooo-hah-hah-hah-hah!!!!! *wipes tears from eyes* Thanks for the laugh of the day (but the crying will assuredly come later).
Bob Grant| 7.7.11 @ 2:08PM
John Lovitz wearing pearls.
dadfly| 7.7.11 @ 4:39PM
gee, i'm about to make my first ever political prediction: no, she wont.
a statist will always take any means to an end.
Naturalborn Texican| 7.7.11 @ 5:05PM
I'm afraid I smell the toast burning.....and we ARE the toast!!!
truzak| 7.7.11 @ 6:38PM
So why cannot the Chief Justice - given the evidence and even the slightest appearance of a conflict of interest - force her to recuse herself?
Where is the respect for, and the rule of, law anymore with this bunch of Marxist phoneys? When the people see that the laws are being ignored, when they feel they have no recourse to legal protection unless they have contributed big bucks to Obama, frustration builds and people are forced to take the law into their own hands. One wonders if this is Obama's end game - to create anarchy in the streets so as to declare martial law, completely bypass the Congress and courts, and become what he already believes he is - an emperor.
POST American| 7.7.11 @ 10:55PM
---Great piece!
BTW ---speaking of health, we've just learned
yet another neighbor, clean living, family sort,
has expired from stomach cancer at the age of
45.
Seems he was a great fan of those, now ON RECORD, GMO granola cereals.
Once again, remember it was PM Harper who
secretly signed in saturation of the Canadian
commercial food chain with GMO over ten
years ago. Likewise certainly on this side of
the border.
He, and a few dozen others, should certainly
be facing death row.
Tainting and adulterating the mass food and water supply should unquestionably be a capital crime of the very, very highest order.
This is the healthcare politcy we need.
t shirts| 7.8.11 @ 4:08AM
If she does, great. If not, a legitimate question would be to ask why not.
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weddingdress| 7.8.11 @ 4:35AM
So why cannot the Chief Justice - given the evidence and even the slightest appearance of a conflict of interest - force her to recuse herself?
RCV| 7.8.11 @ 6:31PM
Beyond the scope of the CJ's powers to do so.
DANSHANTEAL| 7.8.11 @ 5:09PM
I'VE READ JUST ENUF TO BE DANGEROUS. THE DROPPINGS FROM THE DOJ AND HER OFFICE INDICATE SHE HAD AN ACTIVE ROLE. HOW ACTIVE? SHE SAID NOT A SUBSTANTIVE ROLE. REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
I WASN'T AWARE UNTIL TODAY THAT KATYAL LEFT THE DOJ; HIS TESTIMONY ALONE WILL PUT HER UNDER. THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO SORT THROUGH THE MESS AND WE HAVE JUSTICE KENNEDY TO FALL BACK ON.
RCV| 7.8.11 @ 6:30PM
She won't recuse herself, nor is she required to. Catron's long article contains not one shred of evidence to support his claims that Kagan was involved in the defense of the act. Instead, the emails establish that she assigned someone else in the Solicitor's office to head the task force. The calls for her to recuse herself are nothing more than a political attempt to stack the deck, just as are the calls of some lesftists for Justice Thomas to recuse himself.
Michael Bowler| 7.9.11 @ 7:07AM
As the author indicated, Kagan will sit for the hearings involving Obamacare, acting as though there is no problem. She is setting herself up for impeachment, such an act would be unprecedented none the less appropriate.
Of course, impeachment would have to wait for a serious republican majority in the senate, but it could be done.
In the past, our supreme court has been somewhat removed from political activism, only occasionally giving rulings that were outrageous and rarely having justices acting like partisan hacks. Even the nutjob liberals like Ginsberg observe some level of decorum. Kagan will be as blatantly partisan as any can imagine, making Sotomayor look conservative (yup, pretty ridiculous).
Oldefarte| 7.9.11 @ 11:05AM
This is precisely why I've opined many times as to the STUPIDITY demonstrated by this country's voters on 11/4/2008, when it allowed this president's election [and therefore his ability to appoint such justices to the SCOTUS etc]. The one/only solution to the prevention of further such damages is the elections of November of next year!!!!!!!!!!
Bob Grant| 7.9.11 @ 9:14PM
Indeed! We cannot afford liberal replacements to Kennedy or possibly Scalia in a second Obama term.
That disastrous result would be the anointing of a dictator with no check or balance.
The end of America!
nyp| 7.9.11 @ 2:10PM
So Elena Kagan's involvement in "formulating a defense" of health reform consisted of assigning work on the issue to someone else?
That doesn't sound like evidence that she was directly involved. Sounds more like the opposite.
Speedypete| 7.10.11 @ 3:26PM
I am still dumbfounded how a plurality of the Senate confirmed her over so many deserving judges with decades of case law to review. Maybe that is the reason I burst out laughing when I see U.S. Senators speak from the pulpit like they have something to offer us from on high. Hilarious that she is setting where she is and that she is going to rule on that biggest POS legislation ever concocted that she protected. We are insane!
IX-XI| 7.11.11 @ 3:51AM
Is it just me, or is Elena Kagan one of the butt ugliest women you've ever seen?
jgo| 7.11.11 @ 1:00PM
The Socialist Insecurity Abomination, Medicare and Medicaid already went far beyond constutional boundaries. ObummerCare is worse.
weddingdress| 7.12.11 @ 5:17AM
This is precisely why I've opined many times as to the STUPIDITY demonstrated by this country's voters on 11/4/2008, when it allowed this president's election [and therefore his ability to appoint such justices to the SCOTUS etc]. The one/only solution to the prevention of further such damages is the elections of November of next year!!!!!!!!!!
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