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Rule of Lawlessness
Is the Age of Obama ushering in an Era of Thuggery by his left-wing supporters?
Is the Age of Obama ushering in an Era of Thuggery by his left-wing supporters?
Barack Obama has made clear his admiration of Saul Alinsky, the radical “father” of community organizing. Peter Slevin of the Washington Post wrote in 2007 that “Obama embraced many of Alinsky’s tactics and recently said his years as an organizer gave him the best education of his life.”
Alinsky, who died in 1971, was known for his belief that revolutionaries must stir up the downtrodden to become angry enough at their condition to demand its betterment. In his famous book Rules for Radicals, Alinsky acknowledged his debt to Lucifer, “the very first radical,” who “rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom.”
When it came to the best way to achieve revolution, Alinsky explictly argued for moral relativism in fighting the establishment: “In war the end justifies almost any means.” Specifically, “the practical revolutionary will understand… [that] in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one’s individual conscience and the good of mankind.”
It appears that the left has decided to throw conscience aside and put the raw exercise of political power first. Consider three separate news stories that developed within the same week in late April:
• When Attorney General Eric Holder decided to no longer uphold the constitutionality of the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, the U.S. House hired the Atlanta-based law firm of King and Spalding to defend it in court. The law defines marriage as between a man and a woman and says states aren’t obliged to honor gay marriages recognized in other states.
But within days of being hired the firm dropped the House as a client, claiming the firm had failed in properly “vetting” the issue. Former Bush solicitor general Paul Clement, who had brought the case to King and Spalding, resigned from the firm in protest.
The real reason the case was dropped was the campaign launched by the Human Rights Campaign to “educate” (read: intimidate) the firm’s clients about “King and Spalding’s decision to promote discrimination.” Never mind that like 84 other senators Vice President Joe Biden had voted for the bill. Or that Holder’s old boss Bill Clinton signed it. Anyone who now touched the issue was to be branded a bigot. “Gay rights activists argue that DOMA is unconstitutional,” notes San Francisco Chronicle columnist Debra Saunders. “If they’re so sure, why are they trying to prevent good lawyers from defending it?”
• California Democratic leaders, frustrated by the refusal of Republican state legislators to go along with tax increases to close the state’s $15.4 billion deficit, are threatening to focus budget cuts on the districts those Republicans represent.
“You don’t want to pay for government, well then, you get less of it,” Senate president pro tem Darrell Steinberg told reporters in late April. Steinberg echoed comments made by Treasurer Bill Lockyer, who told reporters that budget cuts should be targeted at the districts of lawmakers who oppose putting $11 billion in tax increases before the state’s voters in a referendum.
“When it comes to kids or the vulnerable, I wouldn’t want to make distinctions between who lives in a Democratic district and who lives in a Republican district, but when it comes to sort of basic services, convenience services that affect adults…I have an open mind,” Steinberg told reporters.
A spokeswoman for Bob Dutton, the Senate’s Republican leader, reacted quickly to the bully-boy tactics. “It only means Democrats are unwilling to stand up to public employee unions,” said Jann Taber. “They’d rather cut services to Californians than fix bloated public employee pension systems. Clearly this isn’t an attempt to craft a true bipartisan budget solution.”
Local officials in districts represented by Republicans called the tactic completely counterproductive.
“That is shameless extortion,” Butte County supervisor Larry Wahl told the Sacramento Bee.
“He’s trying to get me to call [Assemblyman Dan] Logue and [state Sen.] Doug LaMalfa and say ‘Raise our taxes.’ I’m not going to do that.”
About the Author
John H. Fund is a senior editor of The American Spectator and author of the Stealing Elections (Encounter Books).
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Tenn Slim| 6.29.11 @ 6:40AM
If anyone here believes the Left will go quietly into the night come 2012 election, they are living in an old fashioned dream.
The Left, has attained a status unheard of, this past four years. They will never release power.
end
Semper Fi
Stan Redmond| 6.29.11 @ 10:11AM
We only have to look at Greece. Thankfully, they will destroy the very cities in which they live.
Quartermaster| 6.29.11 @ 8:54PM
The rule of law ended long ago when Prosecutors and Police were no longer held to any standard of conduct. Nifong, here in NC, is typical of prosecutors everywhere.
For the left, however, things will go hard. These things tend to eat their young when the young suddenly come to their senses. It's was no coincidence when the Reds arrested the collaborators and led them to the wall. The Reds knew the collaborators were their greatest danger.
drudge ette obama| 6.29.11 @ 6:47AM
Atticus Finch does not pay payroll taxes at King and Spalding.
Shame on King and Spalding - but I am not surprised. Here was an opportunity to defend the enforcement of a federal law which was then punted for fear of loss of money. Incomplete vetting? What a joke.
Two things to consider in whether to hire this firm or any other easily-intimidated firm.
Do you want a lawyer that succumbs to fear? Lawyers get paid to forge ahead in storms. It's part of the job. It's what they are paid for. It is hard. It keeps people up at night. It requires courage.
Do you want a lawyer that hasn't the judgment to refuse a case that it ultimately hasn't the stomach to litigate? Anyone could have seen that coming. What next, refusal to defend a criminal defendant who is charged with a gay-bashing crime or racial hate speech crime? No difference.
Again, the majority will soon be tired of being pushed and intimidated. The push back will begin.
figusja| 6.29.11 @ 7:21AM
Lawyers are a dime a dozen and maybe their degree is not even worth that! Does anyone else not see the danger? What of the roving bands of black youths that are putting fear in people. It is not even being reported as an epidemic. These youths will be used to cause chaos in the coming year and maybe in the election year. Fraud is the operative word for this coming election season. I feel sad that those on the other side stoop to such low levels when they don't get their way.
Timothy L. Pennell| 6.29.11 @ 7:44AM
No. ANIMAL is the operative word. Most of this violence being caused by Eric Holder's "PEOPLE", is being done because, as in New York City, under their FIRST BLACK MAYOR - David Dinkins, (Al Sharpton, and the boys, read Dinkin's refusal to put an end to BLACK RACIST BOYCOTTS against Korean Grocers, and ANTI-SEMITE VIOLENCE, against the JEWS in Crown Heights, as a GREEN LIGHT, to do as they pleased. He gave orders to the Police Dept. to do NOTHING, as BLACK ANIMALS roamed the Streets for 3 DAYS, looking for JEWS) America's FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT, has let it be known, through his BLACK RACIST Attorney General, that BLACKS in this Country, can get away with ANYTHING. Ask Philly. Ask Charleston. Ask Miami. And, most of all, ask HUSSEIN'S old stomping grounds - ILLINOIS - where it looks more like SOMOLIA, these days, than an American State.
The BUCK STOPS with that White Hating, Jew Hating, America Hating MUSLIM in the White House.
And, don't ever forget that.
Gary| 6.29.11 @ 11:51AM
I second these remarks. Mr. Pennell is full of anger, which is exactly what is required this time around. Forget this civility BS. Get angry and get mean, if possible. And get mean with the press at every opportunity.
NJK| 6.29.11 @ 7:20PM
I agree with everything Timothy Pennell says. And he is a Muslim.
Douglas Fletcher | 7.1.11 @ 12:26AM
Timothy, I CAN'T HEAR YOU! Please SPEAK UP!
Timothy L. Pennell| 7.1.11 @ 7:52AM
I'm not shouting, DOUCHEBAG, I'm emphasizing. As in YOU, being a DOUCHEBAG.
Get it?
da monk| 6.29.11 @ 7:57PM
Why "Roving bands of BLACK YOUTHS putting fear in people" Are you claiming only Black youths do bad things? What is your back-up to this assertion?
Quartermaster| 6.29.11 @ 8:56PM
That's who the flash mobs have been, racist bigot.
CrackerHound| 6.29.11 @ 11:20AM
Drudge said:"Again, the majority will soon be tired of being pushed and intimidated. The push back will begin."
I wish...but I really don't see it happening. Middle aged working folks usually don't take to the streets and when they do (Tea Party rallies) there's always a certain decorum about it.
The young are always the group that forces change in society and we know what direction they will take us, or I should say HAVE taken us.
I hate to be pessimistic but I believe all is lost. Yes there will be some push back just as there always is in oppresive societies but totalitarianism will prevail in the end.
gearjammer| 6.29.11 @ 11:44AM
Just cancel your cable. Have your kid drop out of college for a semester and work for the defeat of democrats, question your tuition bill at the college they attend, don't buy their products-boycott them. No movies, no music etc. Starve the beast-send a silly post card to advewrtisers who spend big on liberal television-on and on-they need gazillions to keep the DEMOCRAT PARTY POLITICAL MACHINE THRIVING ! In particular boycott anything green-follow an Enviro cop around as they travel about in their shiny, fully apponted SUV-take video send it to media. Fight, fight without throwing a single rock. And, here ya go white man start socializing with ordinary people of color, even ordinary whites-once they get to know you they will see you are not the jerks you are potrayed to be-even help and network with one of them at a time. The Howells learned to love Gilligan once they got to know him.
Anita| 6.29.11 @ 12:30PM
Well said gearjammer. The coming time will be the ugliest in our history. Be prepared. Food, water, whatever it takes to survive. A gun is an excellent idea. Protect yourself and your family. Take care of others during this time also. Share. That's the way.
NJK| 6.29.11 @ 7:23PM
THE DEMOCRATS ARE A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY, NOT A POLITICAL PARTY
Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
Thursday, 02 June 2011
On Tuesday (5/31), Ron Paul announced that "we are on the verge of having way too much dictatorship in Washington, D.C." Verge? Verge??
The time is way past for verging. Our Federal Government has already become a dictatorship run by a criminal conspiracy calling itself a political party - just as the totalitarian conspiracy of Islamism calls itself a religion.
We owe no respect whatever to a fascist ideology posing as a religion - and we owe no respect whatever to a criminal gang posing as a political party.
The time is way past for ending the charade. If it is not ended now - if the Democrat Gang retains the White House in 2012 - then game over for America.
We'll itemize a few of the legion of examples of the Gang's criminality - but at the outset, let's clearly state the purpose here.
It is of mortal importance for our future that we deny legitimacy to the Democrats. They are not a legitimate political party advocating legitimate political goals. They are a collection of looters, gangsters, thugs, extortionists, hustlers, shakedown specialists, scam artists, smooth-talking con-men, and mafiosi. All banded together to steal our money and control our lives with guns.
The monumentality of Democrats' corruption is overwhelming. They are a criminal conspiracy, not a political organization, and they belong in jail, not Capitol Hill or the White House.
Read more at
http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/4552/2/
da monk| 6.29.11 @ 8:06PM
I take it, you are suggesting a one party political state such as: Germany in the 30's-40's, Italy 20's to 40's, Russia 20's to 60's, North Korea 50's-to present, China: 40's to present. And these are just starters in the event you are looking for single party nations
Steve B | 6.29.11 @ 8:36AM
In this country we're finally beginning to learn what people like the IRA, Fascisti, Brownshirts etc have always known. That in an electoral democracy, a minority willing to use violence has a weighted vote.
I remember a conversation I had once in Eastern Europe with an official with the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe vis-a-vis this kind of situation. His comment, "These people are fascists. And the way to deal with fascists is, when they take to the streets, you take to the streets and boot their heads. Because control of the streets is very important to them."
Michael K| 6.29.11 @ 10:50AM
When looking at Weimar Germany, the focus is usually on Nazi street thuggery (rightfully so given what it lead to), but what is missed was the Communist Party of Germany, KDP, had no qualms about using thuggery too. The KDP thought what the Nazis were doing was great because the two together would hasten the destruction of the Weimar Republic. The KDP made the mistake thinking it would come out on top.
WRTolkas| 6.29.11 @ 8:42AM
I've said this over and over again: This is WAR.
And we had better win.
And Republicans had better develop a BACKBONE.
Gary| 6.29.11 @ 11:54AM
Exactly!
Anita| 6.29.11 @ 12:31PM
The end result of revolution is repression.
2012
Anthony| 6.29.11 @ 9:05AM
I'm waiting for that troll, Chris Wallace to ask Obozo " Are you an Alinsky Marxist"?
Obviously, Wallace is too much an established member of the LSM to do so. Fire the bastard and bring back Brit Hume!!!
History, assuming we survive Obozo, will show that this era was the era of total corruption, as all the instrumentalities of our society were taken over and corrupted by the left.
WRTolkas is right, we are already in a civil war, never have we been as deeply divided or more distainful of each other since the great Civil War.
The only question is do things finally go hot? 2012 will tell.
Gary| 6.29.11 @ 11:56AM
Wallace had to prove to his liberal friends that he still deserves to be invited to their cocktail parties. His apology nowithstanding, he's one of them. I'm sure he was greeted with high fives all around.
Bob Grant| 6.29.11 @ 9:22AM
The author only scraped the surface on the lawlessness occurring within this administration. What about:
(A) Refusing to enforce federal immigration law, and worse, punishing states that do
(B) Pushing the DREAM act via executive order
(C) Arbitrarily dictating where businesses can and cannot conduct business
(D) Engaging in major military operations without consent of the legislative branch
...err, I could go on but it's early and without my first cup of coffee.
Maddox| 6.29.11 @ 9:28AM
Good comments. The Era of Thuggery has already begun. The White House and Justice Department are setting an example with their disregard for The Constitution and American law by executive directives and decrees from departmental czars. The Obamas have cultivated the feeling of entitlement to punish America. Expect violence in the aftermath of next year's election when Obama will be soundly defeated unless there is fraud.
Be prepared, my friends.
Linde| 6.30.11 @ 8:13PM
There will be violence no matter what. If "they" win, expect a quickly-imposed totalitarian state, complete with capital controls. And hopefully, a real uprising from those of us who still treasure liberty and will give our lives to preserve it.
If "we" win, then there will be violence from "them", well-orchestrated, feral, and utterly ruthless, to try to take by force what they could not keep by law. Be warned.
Redstateboy| 6.29.11 @ 9:31AM
reading the comments here I remind you shortly after Das Messiah was inaugurated Guns and Ammunition flew off the shelves. People may wish to serious begin considering which State they might want to reside in that allows people to more freely arm themselves.
Stormzeye| 6.29.11 @ 9:38AM
In the coming battle between the Tea Party and the Unions will we be able to rely on the public service union members (police, fire, sanitation) to keep the peace? I don't think so. The "inner city" goons will be let loose to use social networks for the intimidation of society. The news media will marginalize and vilify the forces for law and order. In 1919 Gov. Calvin Coolidge called out the National Guard when the Boston police went on strike in a Bolshevik-inspired attempt at public service unionization. Such brass-balled leaders are impossible to find in these post-Reagan years. Read about the Boston Police Strike to see the future:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Police_Strike
prestonsbrooks| 6.29.11 @ 10:20AM
A civil war is once again looming here in America. No group of National Socialists as Barry X represents has ever given up power once in office. As 2012 approaches, the Regime will push all out for racial warfare, economic attacks, and assassinations. Be Ready.
Stan Redmond| 6.29.11 @ 10:22AM
I was born and raised in California. It's a shame what the voters and politicians have done to that states economy. I dare say it is the most beautiful state in the union. But even that is not enough to keep anyone mobile and succesful from leaving. From the aftermath of the Berkely days the state has put itself on a path to totalinarianism. I believe it was Thomas Lifson at American Thinker who says "liberalism is a luxury for those insulated from it by wealth and priviledge." This explains California and their politicians. Does nancy Pelosi care if "the evil rich" are taxes even more when her own policies increase her wealth 40%? Does Arnold care about a failing economy when his income is zero but wealth is a billion dollars? Does Jerry Brown care about an invasion of illegal aliens when he is protected in the governor's mansion and a guarenteed retirement (or two)? Nope.
Hopefully the state collapses so painfully people wake up but I doubt it will happen. I voted with my feet and got the heck out of California 12 years ago. Sadly, with failed US economic and ,mostly, environmental policies (it is nearly impossible to acquire the raw materials I require for manufacturing outside of China) I shall vote again with my feet and move production to China in a year or two. Either that or just close business. Where California goes so goes the nation.
ConantheContrarian| 6.29.11 @ 10:48AM
Stan,
It sounds as if you are a "producer". Come to the Midwest. Some small towns just off the various interstate highways would welcome the jobs.
CalMark| 6.29.11 @ 11:04AM
At either end of the Berkeley, CA, pedestrian bridge over I-80 is a massive monument. Each depicts a mob with protest signs, boiling with rage and determination. This is artistic intimidation, the frightening, graphic "socialist realism" the Soviet dictatorship so adored.
It is the most eloquent possible depiction of all anyone needs to know about California.
Gary| 6.29.11 @ 12:02PM
I feel sorry for the conservative farmers in the Central Valley. They had their water shut off by empty-headed liberals. It's very difficult to move a farm out of state. They're stuck.
ConantheContrarian| 6.29.11 @ 10:44AM
@Stormzeye: The inner city goons have already been loosed on society. Peoria, Philadelphia, Chicago are three places where mobs have taken to the streets and stores, and they have looted the stores and have threatened and have beat people on the street.
Redstateboy| 6.29.11 @ 3:54PM
uh..... those'd be Black Mobs?? The New Storm Troopers of the old Slave Party.
CalMark| 6.29.11 @ 10:50AM
Reading all these despairing, "woe is us" and "we are doomed" comments, I shake my head.
This isn't taking place in a vacuum. The Tea Party movement is the peaceful, orderly resistance to Obama. If the thugs cross a certain line, the resistance will no longer be peaceful.
This also isn't Germany, 1935, where everybody welcomed Hitler (including many educated Jews--sound familiar?) as the savior of Germany. They tolerated the lawlessness because of "national greatness." Obama and his brand of fascist thuggery are despised in this country.
The United States, even in its colonial days, has always been a land of freemen. Europe was the land of feudalism, where serfs (almost everybody) bowed to quietly to lords (like Obama), making despotism and thuggery an accepted aspect of governance.
If Obama and the left really get out of hand here, Americans won't take it lying down. It would get very ugly, but the left will likely lose. Shame on anyone who thinks different.
KennesawJack| 6.29.11 @ 11:43AM
It saddens me to say this, but I think there is a reasonable chance you are correct in your assessment of the reaction of the people to the systematic destruction of the nation. I cannot understand how these neo-Marxists think they will prevail. Wasn't it Franklin who defined democracy as two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch and liberty as a well-armed lamb with a dissenting opinion? I think the lamb has about had it with the wolves.
CalMark| 6.29.11 @ 2:07PM
In this country, unique in all other countries anywhere, ever, the lamb usually has an automatic rifle in the closet, and an option on lamb-to-wolf species-change surgery.
da monk| 6.29.11 @ 8:31PM
CalMark: Are you claiming that a minority of Protestants and Catholics backed Hitler in his coming to power? Are you suggesting that in the 1930's 560,000 thousand Jews,or less than 1% of the German population at that time,living amongst a 66,000,000 million were instrumental in the rise of Nazism? Get real
martin j smith| 6.29.11 @ 10:58AM
The Republican Party--if it is to survive and I have serious questions about that-better realize what is happening in this country. They cannot cut "deals" as usual because the SOCIALISTS do not make deals except on THEIR TERMS. One way to start, Mr Fund, is to stop smearing candidates for President on the Republican side-such as Sarta Palin or Michelle Bachmann or others male or female. Criticize and disagree and even state who you like or dont like on POLICY issues but stop the sexist crap that Socialists engage in. That is if you want to be Obama. I think we have enough of a challenge as it is and we do not need swipers who post articles about Palin or Bachman in rather derogitory tones.
At the very bare minimum --if Obama is "ok" to be President so are ALL of the REPUBLICAN contenders in line so far. That is a small step to address the need to work TOGETHER. Unless YOU have another agenda.
Kilgore Trout| 6.29.11 @ 11:04AM
U can bet I WILL BE BUYING Angel Soft tissue paper ("Wiping your [expletive] on Wisconsin workers"), Johnsonville Sausage ("These Brats Bust Unions") and Coors ("Labor Rights Flow Away Like A Mountain Stream", every chance I get!
Redstateboy| 6.29.11 @ 4:32PM
Bravo!! and Excellent idea Kilgore!! I'll be purchasing these products too!
irish19| 6.29.11 @ 10:51PM
Yes to the first two. I refuse to buy Coors. I can get water, which tastes just the same, out of my faucet for less.
Oldefarte| 6.29.11 @ 11:10AM
These thuggish Democrats should be reminded of that old axiom: BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR, or as Clint/Harry proclaimed, ARE YOU FEELING LUCKY, PUNK!!!!!!!!!
Joe D.| 6.29.11 @ 11:16AM
That is why we have to fight harder these evil labor union thugs. If they win, the rule of law, the constitution and our liberty go out the window.
obama and his thugs need to be destroyed.
Lauretta| 6.29.11 @ 11:17AM
I don't see any of the "flood" states screaming for govt to help. We the people help the people. Works great. Now, if they want to play party politics we'll go less govt . They want to pay more TAXES then let them get out their checkbooks and start writing checks to the govt. That's what we on the right have been saying all along. You guys want to pay more - PAY MORE and shut up!
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 11:54AM
I thought John Fund was a serious journalist? This entire article is laughable for what it doesn't say. Republicans have been playing dirty tricks for decades to win elections - evidence Richard Nixon and the Watergate Plumbers, but I could go on. But when the left does anything even remotely similar, they are labelled "thugs"? Seriously, if you want to know what all out war is, check out how John McCain was smeared in the 2000 campaign by GW Bush and his campaign. Now that's dirty tricks.
This business of not raising taxes ever when the country or state is in a budget crisis (mainly due to the Great Recession), even after concessions are made to reduce spending, is un-American and bordering on criminal. We all live in this country and maintain it. And, we all need to pay for it, according to our means. Not everyone on the right makes a billion dollars and not everyone on the left is a free-loader. The majority of all sides are middle class working people that count on their government to provide the services and assistance they need. Being reasonable is tried, but the fascists on the right aren't interested in reason, just like the D's are being blackmailed by the R's over Debt ceiling increase. The R's happily raised it under GW Bush without a care - but not now, no not while Obama is president. Screw the country, they want their way or the highway. Throw the bums out I say and get some reasonable people in the Congress - this isn't a war and whatever is done will affect us ALL!
Melvin| 6.29.11 @ 11:57AM
Do you actually believe the crap you write, or do you just get your talking points from somewhere?
Teenagers running feral doesn't have a damn thing to do with money. Its about the pack mentality.
Gary| 6.29.11 @ 12:03PM
With the release of her new book, I guess Ann Coulter gets to say, "I told you so."
MM| 6.29.11 @ 12:35PM
Melvin why would you reply to this? You see the name -- skip to the next comment.
Nothing tires a troll like ignoring it and nothing fuels it like comments.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 12:51PM
And, so, I will fuel you ...
NV| 6.29.11 @ 2:03PM
@Purpleguy...the only fuel you provide is a good laugh at your opinions that are based on fiction rather than fact. When presented with actual facts, you can only rant insults because you have no real facts to stand upon. I saw your postings yesterday slandering Prosser without possessing all the facts ...clearly you stand with Soros because it is being reported by Christian Schneider, a fellow at the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute,that "the set-to between the two judges turns out to have been instigated by Bradley (Liberal), who charged Prosser (Conservative), who had put his hands up to ward off his colleague's assault. The two were immediately separated, after which Bradley claimed she had been "choked," even though the majority of those present said it never happened. Turns out, the the story was leaked to the George Soros-funded Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism, which promoted the accusation against Prosser and backed it up with anonymous sources." This is par for the course for George Soros and his band of political activists . Just like you, they are perfecting the art of character assassination as a political tool.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 3:06PM
Pray-tell just what was your source for all that "truth"? Fixed News?
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 3:09PM
BTW - he is under investigation - so how do you have the final disposition of the case? Are you magical?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/201.....d-prosser/
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 3:13PM
Wow - the more I look the more facts are uncovered. This guy, Prosser, has a history of violence at work. What a creep and you support him? :
https://secure3.convio.net/pn/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=1201&JServSessionIdr004=zo1e2i7zr2.app331b
NV| 6.29.11 @ 3:30PM
Purpleguy, apparently, you can't read. My comments clearly list my source. Therefore, I suggest you re-read my post...slowly since it appears your progressive education has failed you. As I am not a resident of Wisconsin, I cannot support any politician/judge there...but I do believe in the rule of law : that people are presumed innocent until proven guilty and therefore both parties are entitled to a fair defense...something you progressives love to give lip service to and yet rarely do (unless it is your guy in trouble) It must really stink to be you...always caught with your pants down in hypocrisy. Best of luck to you.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 4:20PM
While I agree with you on the rule of law - it's a little hairier when Supreme Court Justices are involved, is it not? But no real defense of the judge here I can see... just a lame put down of me ... come on righties, fight with facts, not your emotions. Don't be "girlie men" be armed with facts, information. Your slip is showing!
Redstateboy| 6.29.11 @ 4:40PM
I know I'm going to regret this and after posting to Purpleguy I'm going to feel the need for a shower but here goes....
Purpleguy? you wrote: "we all need to pay for it, according to our means."
sort of reminds ya of..." From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs) is a slogan popularised by Karl Marx"
(Google)
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 7:16PM
blah, blah, blah, "why should I help anyone else, I've got mine" ... yes, and Jesus expects us all to help the poor, the downtrodden and the infirm. Do you want to dis his advice too?
Linde| 6.30.11 @ 8:30PM
Jesus advocated PERSONAL charity to the downtrodden and infirm, NOT "government help". There is nothing inherently noble about taking from the productive, against their will and over their objection, to give to others (with, of course, a handsome "finder's fee" to the bureaucrats who administer the govt. program).
Government "help" has enslaved and made dependent generations of people who now can't function for themselves. READ YOUR BIBLE, and raise your IQ!
BTW, so how much of YOUR income do YOU give to the "downtrodden", Mr. Purple? Have you taken homeless people into your home for weeks on end (as I have) to help them get back on their feet? Did you send anything to victims of disasters? What do YOU DO, Mr. Sanctimonious? Are you just a "taker" or you a "maker"?
Grow up.
da monk| 6.29.11 @ 8:35PM
That's right, never listen to the other side of the question. Only to those you agree with. That's known as masturbation
LindaF | 6.29.11 @ 12:31PM
Cutting budgets to "less money than they wanted, but still an increase" is NOT a cut.
Oldefarte| 6.29.11 @ 1:15PM
Yeah, Nixon was IMPEACHED for his dirty tricks; maybe the same thing should be done to the current office holder? Need to MAINTAIN THE COUNTRY, especially the $trillion/year in GOVERNMENTAL WELFARE PAYMENTS TO THE INDIGENT DEMOCRATS' CONSTITUENTS, right????????????
Albert| 6.29.11 @ 7:56PM
Just a correction: Nixon was never impeached. A House committee passed a resolution forwarding Articles of Impeachment to the entire House. But Nixon resigned before the House voted on the Articles. The only two Presidents ever actually Impeached were Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Neither was convicted in the Senate.
Oldefarte| 6.30.11 @ 10:53AM
I stand corrected, BUT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPEACHED IF HE HAD NOT RESIGNED TO AVOID BEING IMPEACHED. I was only arguing Purple's point above concerning Republican-Nixon's removal/resignation from office, and my essential point is still valid and correct!!!!!
da monk| 6.29.11 @ 8:36PM
There are no indigent Republicans? Such as oil companies, big business hmmmm
simon templar| 6.29.11 @ 1:30PM
The sad thing about the development of the internet is the fact that it has provided an instant soap box and bullhorn for ignorant, useful idiot, basement of my parents, liberals like you purpleboy. Smarmy, stupid, arrogant, ignorant, and useless twits....there is not a single sentence you write that does not contain projection, false premises, downright lies, illogic, and historical revision. Liberalism is a mental disorder. You are a daily reminder of this fact. Thanks for your contribution. You make it to easy. Keep posting.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 4:39PM
thank you for your kind words ... just continues to make the point that you are filled with hatred.
Con Chef (NB) | 6.29.11 @ 1:31PM
Yeah. Nevermind Hitler lover Joe Kennedy buying the city of Chicago to win an election for his son, John. Nevermind El BJ & all the dirty tricks HE played either. Spare us your self righteous indignation.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 3:16PM
Let's come into the 21st century shall we - corruption in Republican circles is much more current than 60 yrs ago - evidence the Bush v. Gore fiasco that selected Bush for president when Florida couldn't figure out a better way to swing the election to Bush. Even the Constitution says in case of an issue with the presidential election, the Congress shall vote and pick the president and vp. That didn't happen - why not? all you Constitutionalists? Why not?
Con Chef (NB) | 6.29.11 @ 3:45PM
How convinient for you that you choose to overlook history. As is typical for idiots of your ilk. Let's talk about all those illicit contributions to the Obama campaign from the West Bank (aka Hamas). And WHAT "evidence" is there that there was any "corruption" in the FL debacle. Let's stay current, as you said. You people STILL cry about that. Guess what, that was SO last century as well, moron.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 5:00PM
Hmmm, "last century"? What century are you in? The 2000 election was held in 2000, which is the 21st century. Where did you go to school, my math-failing little timmy?
DaveD| 6.29.11 @ 6:30PM
Bzzzz. Wrong, but thanks for playing. The 21st Century did not begin until 01/01/2001. There was no year zero so the first hundred years are 1-100, 2nd Century 101-200, and so forth and so on.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 7:17PM
I stand corrected ... but the comparison was with 60 years ago - can you spot me a year? LOL
Pecos Pete| 6.29.11 @ 6:32PM
OOPS, ms purpleguy, the 21st century started with the year 2001. The year 2000 was the last year of the 20th century.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 7:18PM
I stand corrected ... but the comparison was with 60 years ago - can you spot me a year? LOL - see i can admit when Im wrong ... everyone should try it some time.
Jive Bomber| 6.30.11 @ 1:40AM
Good thing you have us to point out when you ARE wrong, otherwise you would never learn a thing.
Yes, I speak for most conservatives when I say that supplementing a liberal's education is a never ending task. And...You are always welcome even when not appreciative! :>)
Albert| 6.29.11 @ 7:44PM
Purp guy, the US House of Representatives only enters the electoral fracas if no candidate has a majority of electoral votes. This was not the case in 2000 (the last year of the 20th Century, by the way). By all counts and recounts, and by the Laws of the State of Florida, George W. Bush was legally and properly awarded the electoral votes from Florida. Al Gore LOST! Get over it. Grow up. And if you want to talk about electoral corruption, look at Texas and Illinois (specifically Chicago) in 1960. Electoral corruption (including millions of non-citizens voting) swings elections in favor of Democrats, bozo. Fact of life.
Melvin| 6.29.11 @ 11:55AM
The Latest and Greatest from Slum Land
One of these days some teens are going to run into the wrong person try to rob them, and then they'll be shot dead, dead, dead. Just another Black kid who becomes a statistic.
Below is part of the story as noted in Philly.com news
Teens in a mob assault and rob Center City patrons.
"The two young women were sitting at a window table inside the Max Brenner restaurant on 15th Street, near Walnut, sharing chocolate fondue after some shopping.
The streets were vibrant. The weather was nice.
"The city had a good vibe," remembered one of the women, Maria, who requested her full name not be printed.
But their night on the town was about to become frightening.
Heading their way was a pack of teens roving through Center City after leaving a North Philadelphia music festival.
They were part of about 100 or more young people who had left Saturday night's event, police said, committing a series of violent assaults and robberies, including one against Maria, 25, of North Philadelphia, and her cousin Cecilia, 29, of Havertown."
http://www.philly.com/philly/n.....trons.html
David W| 6.29.11 @ 12:05PM
Nazi Brown Shirts, Socialist/Communist thugs, and now Liberal activists. I guess they are all cut from the same cloth aren't they. You also forgot the incident with Glen Beck and his family - being acosted and possibly assaulted while attending a movie. Good liberals, let's maintain that civility.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 12:52PM
He was? Glenn Beck? Hmmm, maybe he should stop trying to incite violence less he begets it upon himself, ya think?
simon templar| 6.29.11 @ 1:18PM
He incites violence? Taking his family to a park movie is inciting violence? Ok, great liberal thinking and liberal illogical logic. Your comments here often incite very violent reactions in many of us here and certainly beget a response as most of us find them offensive, anti-american, and manipulative. How about posting your address? We would like to beget you something.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 3:17PM
You've never listened to him have you?
Con Chef (NB) | 6.29.11 @ 3:46PM
Its painfully obvious that YOU haven't.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 4:12PM
Out of Glenn Beck's mouth I heard it myself "I'm afraid Barack Obama hates white people ... " Really? And you take his garbage seriously?
Con Chef (NB) | 6.29.11 @ 4:57PM
How's that hateful? "Kill crackah babies" is FAR more hateful, yet no condemnation of that, huh?
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 5:05PM
And you like "Baby Killer Tiller" ? Or let's add Right Wing mouth, Neil Boortz, to the mix - "let's litter the streets of Atlanta with dead thugs" - that's oh so much better, is it? The point was that Glenn Beck purveys hatred ... clouding the conversation with all types of lowlifes - Right and Left doesn't change the fact that Glenn Beck incites violence - not on himself, for those dolts that dumb they thought I meant for himself - and I am glad he's being shut up tomorrow night and leaving Fixed News. Even they can abide him. And, that's saying something when Ann "I was a man" Coulter is still acceptable as a guest.
da monk| 6.29.11 @ 8:41PM
Simon Templar what's your reason for Purpleguys address? To throw stones, picket? What's your address tough guy? Anyone can hide behind a nom de plume and spout hate with no fear of being discovered.
Oldefarte| 6.29.11 @ 1:19PM
Incite violence? Dumbars, when has SITTING IN A PUBLIC PARK WHILE PARTICIPATING IN A CONCERT WITH YOUR FAMILY been INCITING VIOLENCE? You are truly a imbecile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Con Chef (NB) | 6.29.11 @ 1:37PM
To people like Purple Puke, Beck incites violence by his mere presence. And if someone were to kill Beck, idiots like Purple Puke would be rejoicing in the streets. Hell, Purple Puke himself might even grow a pair of balls big enough to try it himself.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 3:22PM
Here's a man who preaches hate, and he's surprised that people hate him. Has stirred up mobs, now a mob has been stirred up, by his presence. If this is correct, then he got what he deserved. It's amazing that haters are surprised to learn, that people hate them.
Bill O'Reilly is just as bad with this "Tiller the Baby Killer" that someone "should do something about him". Next we know Dr. Tiller is shot in the head. Beck and O'Reilly ares like a lot of conservatives, he can dish it out, but he can't take it.
Melvin| 6.29.11 @ 3:42PM
Define hate, as per the meaning, not what your told it means.
Con Chef (NB) | 6.29.11 @ 3:48PM
I guess "hate" constitutes anything anti Obama. If you disagree with ANYTHING he does, then it must be "hate." Your high school hyperbole is amazing. And it just proves you to be as insipid as every other leftist douchebag.
WestminsterAbby | 6.29.11 @ 6:02PM
How funny you are Mr. Purple People Eater!!!
"he can dish it out, but he can't take it."
Hmmm....The Pot is calling the Kettle black!!!
Now that's rich!
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 7:20PM
Really - seems like I take a lot of name-calling, sarcsasm and vail attempts at humor at my expense, do I not? I suspect I dish out less than I am dished - but that's okay, Im no girlie man boys.
Albert| 6.29.11 @ 7:48PM
Typical LEFTIST tactic to define any opposing political opinion as "hate." We don't hate you Purp, we just find you distasteful and not very bright.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 9:21PM
Well, we are progressing then ... maybe, just maybe... lol
Oldefarte| 6.30.11 @ 11:00AM
Ever watch MSNBC's Shultz and [former employee] Olbermann, perhaps? They make Beck and OReilly look like choir boys with their constant stream of gutter-excrement lies[of course, they're liberals so that doesn't count, right?] !!!!!!
da monk| 6.29.11 @ 8:54PM
Are you accusing Purpleguy, BEFORE!!!! anything supposedly happens of rioting. Look up what the Constitution says about Bills of Attainder. If you think about it, you are one of the individuals provoking rioting.
da monk| 6.29.11 @ 8:54PM
Are you accusing Purpleguy, BEFORE!!!! anything supposedly happens of rioting. Look up what the Constitution says about Bills of Attainder. If you think about it, you are one of the individuals provoking rioting.
Petronius| 6.29.11 @ 12:59PM
G.B.Shaw's prediction about this country which he spoke in the 1920's will soon come true.
simon templar| 6.29.11 @ 1:13PM
Yes.
Con Chef (NB) | 6.29.11 @ 1:35PM
Purple Puke Writes:
"He was? Glenn Beck? Hmmm, maybe he should stop trying to incite violence less he begets it upon himself, ya think?"
Really, he incites "violence?" Like when the President said, "they bring a knife, we'll bring a gun." Or like when King Samir Shatbag of the Black Klan (you know, the same crew who stood outside a polling place in Philly with billy clubs) said that black people were gonna have to "kill crackah babies." Or the mob in Peroia this weekend chanting "kill white people?"
Funny, I must've missed those shows where Beck said things like that. What a predictable litany of inspid drivel you post, Purple Puke.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 4:14PM
Links please, links - need to know sources please.
Con Chef (NB) | 6.29.11 @ 5:03PM
King Samir Shabazz on "Killing Crackah Babies":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBhzJnJIilI
Your Dear Leader on knives & guns:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/.....ing-a-gun/
Now go fellate your MaoBama blow up doll.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 5:09PM
Oh, yeah the oh so scary "Black Panthers" with 5 members... oooh, is that all it takes girly man?
And #2 a comment on the campaign trail 3 years ago. Good grief.
Now be a good little boy and stop making lewd comments - they just show you to be - well i wont say. It would be stooping to your level.
Albert| 6.29.11 @ 7:50PM
Five people with clubs spewing hatred and inciting violence CAN and DOES intimidate people who only want to vote. You really are not very bright, are you?
da monk| 6.29.11 @ 8:59PM
We can all agree with that. But,keep in mind, people with clubs are not limited blacks. See Selma Alabama.
Oldefarte| 6.30.11 @ 11:02AM
Not to me they're not scary [since I possess a #32 Louisville Slugger], but to 90 year old females attempting to vote, yeah THEY'RE HIDEOUS LOOKING, NATURALLY!!!!!!!!
Con Chef (NB) | 6.29.11 @ 1:44PM
From Thomas Sowell today on Townhall.com. A great article that ties in well with Mr. Fund's piece:
"Is Democracy Viable?"
http://townhall.com/columnists.....acy_viable
TheRightIsAnythingBut| 6.29.11 @ 2:02PM
And what about this scion of probity and proper decorum? From the Milwaukee Journal-
Sentinel?
Madison - A GOP candidate from Green Bay running in a Senate recall race has been convicted of two misdemeanor counts, arrested on other occasions, and now faces another probe by the Oconto County Sheriff's Department.
The incidents involving David VanderLeest, which were raised by Democrats Wednesday, stem from domestic violence allegations. VanderLeest, 34, helped organize the recall against Sen. Dave Hansen (D-Green Bay) and is the only Republican on the ballot challenging Hansen in the July 19 election.
"It's an open investigation at the current time. It has also been shared with our human services department," Clark Longsine, chief deputy at the Oconto County Sheriff's Department, said Wednesday of the latest investigation. Longsine said he couldn't provide more details.
VanderLeest, a Green Bay wind farm developer with a history of other legal troubles, pleaded no contest to two misdemeanor disorderly conduct charges in 2007 as part of a plea deal. Also Wednesday, Democrats pointed to at least two other dates in which VanderLeest was arrested for alleged domestic abuse involving his ex-wife in 2006 and 2009 but was not convicted.
His former wife also obtained restraining orders against him in 2005 and again in 2006.
Con Chef (NB) | 6.29.11 @ 2:54PM
Decorum, huh? Like Teddy K killing a woman & making a "waitress samich" with Chris Dud? Or Weenie sending pictures of his unit to chicks, some of whom may be underage? Spare us.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 4:16PM
Really? My guys are okay, 'cause your guys did it to? That's your sophomoric defense? Are we racing to the bottom or reaching for new heights? What do you teach your children. "If he jumps off the bridge, then go ahead ..."
Con Chef (NB) | 6.29.11 @ 5:03PM
What do YOU care about kids, except when it comes to aborting them?
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 5:12PM
Why the ad hominem attacks? - can you not fight with logic, analytical skills and wisdom? It's a sad commentary when righties immediately jump to name-calling diatribes that don't do a d* thing to create a conversation. Unfortunately, resorting to name-calling is the lowest form of intelligence. Come on, you can do better - no?
John Navratil| 6.29.11 @ 6:19PM
Purpleguy,
What was the ad hominem attack? You claimed someone's defence was sophomoric! Wasn't that an ad hominem attack? Leave the word 'sophomoric' out and you still made your point.
You suggested you cared about what we teach our children! Con Chef disagrees and suggests all you care about it aborting them. It's not very germane, but it does address your ideas and not you personally. Your response is that is an ad hominem attack. It does not appear that you know what that term means.
Con Chef put words in your mouth. What did you do? You lamented unamed "righties immediately jump[ing] to name-calling diatribes". I think you were correct when you stated "resorting to name-calling is the lowest form of intelligence".
To call you a fool who can't think his way out of a wet pair of diapers is an ad hominem attack - and completely unnecessary.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 7:22PM
Saying I prefer to abort children than to teach them is not an attack on me? Are you on drugs? Oh, you were so high brow with your response, weren't you, little man?
John Navratil| 6.29.11 @ 8:35PM
Purpleguy,
(1) Perhaps, if any attack on ones position, even incorrectly attributed, is an attack on one's self. In thinking about it, I acknowledge that cheap denegration isn't quite an "ad hominem" attack. What was the context of "sophomoric"? However, if words were put in your mouth, the response is simply to deny them and state your position. Silly rhetorical questions are silly - coming from you or from Con Chef.
(2) No!
(3) "little man"? Perhaps you do understand "ad hominem", after all. I'd hate for you to have to engage in a "name-calling".
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 9:24PM
Hahaha ... you're right about the name-calling - I am called out. Well, it IS hard not to throw verbal fire bombs to make your point... I don't take offense really, but occasionally someone steps over the line.
John Navratil| 6.29.11 @ 9:35PM
Purpleguy,
Cheers!
Oldefarte| 6.30.11 @ 11:05AM
A 'BRIDGE'? Wait, didn't Teddy jump off one of those within a automobile [and didn't the female passenger NOT make it out of same]??????
TheRightIsAnythingBut| 6.29.11 @ 5:15PM
I note you don't address the issue. You just hurl more invective and then tie the abortion issue in?
I love your logic: If A = B, then C = D.
The point is that i's all a dirty business and what's offensive is the smug, holier-than-thou, presumption of the moral high ground among the current crop of Republicans. That's what you need to address, instead of these flights of fancy posted here.
Purpleguy| 6.29.11 @ 7:23PM
Bingo!
John Navratil| 6.29.11 @ 8:53PM
TheRightIsAnythingBut,
The issue is what? The point in your original post is what? You have copied a condemnation of a political candidate with an (R) behind his name and added a big Q.E.D. In your follow-up you say it's all a dirty business. I think you would get some support here with that argument. You certainly would from me.
You logic appears to be (don't let me put words in your mouth) that since VanderLeest is a cad (so says the article, not you) that Republicans are hypocrites. Is that it? If so, you engage in a nihilistic argument when you suggest that because all Republicans aren't purer than Ceasar's wife than the moral argument is rendered moot. It isn't, and the voting booth is a fine place to render judgement on the candidates qualifications. Shouldn't it be easy in an election to recall somewhat for being unfit for office that the replacement is at least as unfit, or more so?
This sounds like the story of the man accused of killing three men and a dog proudly showing up, in court, with the dog.
TheRightIsAnythingBut| 6.30.11 @ 1:22AM
My point was in the first sentence of my first post. I get really tired of the Right's presumed moral authority and its smugness and its holier-than-thou attitude when many of its proponents are mo more moral than Bill Clinton.
No, let me put it more simply: Just because all murderers are not caught, doesn't mean that I condone letting the murderers who do get caught go without punishment. What I took from the words and tone of this argument is that misbehavior and amoral behavior is reserved only for liberals like Bill Clinton.
Demonstrably not so.
John Navratil| 6.30.11 @ 8:52AM
TheRightIsAnythingBut,
And no one claims so. The difference between the camps is that Republicans either resign or are asked to leave their elected office by the people who wish to preserve a level of decorum, while Democrats do not. Pelosi used Mark Foley to great effect in 2006, but was completely silent on Weiner. Hipocricy? As an aside, note that while the Democrats had the emails on Foley for a year or two, they were released the day after his name could not be removed from the ballot in Florida. If this were such a moral concern for the "grande dame", what drove the timing?
By all means, bring out Vitter to trump that. But do make note that Vitter had confessed his visits to prostitutes to his wife years earlier and changed his behaviour. It was exposed when phone records from the "D.C. Madam" in 1999 and 2000 were released in 2007. Vitter never denied the story, but rather confessed all; a task wish was, no doubt, made easier by his reform. There is a level of rehabilitation in this single example which is not present elsewhere.
Oldefarte| 6.30.11 @ 11:06AM
Well Republicans can't ALL BE WEINERS, now can they???????????
da monk| 6.29.11 @ 9:12PM
Con Chief: What about Newt? What about Rep. Hyde? Mark Foley? Scwarzenegger? Larry Craig? Rudy Giulanni? Bob Barr, Helen Chenelworth?
Shall I go on?
John Navratil| 6.29.11 @ 9:43PM
da monk,
Please do, if you must. When we get to a tie what do we have? If one side us up by '1', does that make them the winner?
The central question isn't who is moral, but who seeks it.
gary siebel| 6.29.11 @ 5:29PM
Perhaps if those conservative "thugs" hadn't banged on the windows of that office in Florida to prevent a vote re-count, the liberals would not have had an example of successful thuggery to follow.
Bob Grant| 6.29.11 @ 9:07PM
Wow. All you can come up with is that oldie but goodie? You can only find 1 lousy example of conservative thuggery within a decade's time?
I think you've proven our point!
TheRightIsAnythingBut| 6.30.11 @ 1:25AM
Nope, bobby boy, wrong again. I think that you could match the misdeeds of a person on the Left with a person on the Right 'til you're red in the face and we're blue in the face.
Not my point at all. My point is that the Right does not have a monopoly on moral behavior.
DAVE| 6.30.11 @ 3:33AM
My shopping list now includes Angle Soft, COORS
and Johnsonville sausage.
POST American| 6.30.11 @ 9:02AM
----Speaking of 'thuggery' --when is AS going
to break ranks from the Rockefeller-EUGENICS-Globalism cabal,
and come out to denounce
roundly the pornographically invasive TSA
and the now pervasive surveillance grid?
weddingdress | 7.1.11 @ 12:37AM
Perhaps if those conservative "thugs" hadn't banged on the windows of that office in Florida to prevent a vote re-count, the liberals would not have had an example of successful thuggery to follow.