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A Further Perspective
An Auschwitz Borders Tour
Is President Obama using his European trip to pressure Israel to accept a peace deal based on its pre-war borders?
Is President Obama using his European trip to pressure Israel to accept a peace deal based on the Jewish State’s pre-war borders? Days after the President claimed to be misunderstood it now appears that he and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are backtracking on his previous backtrack and incredibly actually seeking support for a negotiated settlement based on what Abba Eban called “the Auschwitz borders” (because they left Israel vulnerable to extinction) and presumes that Israel will be forced to absorb hundreds of thousands of Palestinians.
According to the Guardian, the president “will seek a joint Middle East agreement with David Cameron, insisting that a Palestinian state should be based on pre-1967 borders.” It may be that the notoriously anti-Israel Guardian is repeating speculation. But at a joint press conference with Clinton, British Foreign Secretary William Hague said they agree with Obama’s original statement that, as the International Business Times put it, “any future negotiations between Israel and Palestine must be based on the borders that existed prior to the 1967 war.”
“Time is running out for a two-state solution and the initiative must be seized now,” Hague said.
Rather than restating the President’s clarification, Clinton helpfully added: “Now is the time, in this period of great upheaval, there is an opportunity to come to a successful outcome.”
Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has made it clear that Israel will no longer seek to appease the international community by granting territory or additional concessions to the Palestinians.
This shift in approach is long overdue. Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs scholar Dan Diker observed:
[F]or most of the period from 1993 to 2000, Israel’s overall diplomatic strategy focused on helping the Palestinians achieve their demands for what Arafat and Palestinian spokesmen had always termed their “legitimate rights,” hoping this would result in peace and security for Israelis. Though well intentioned, this approach undercut Israel’s longstanding diplomatic policy of asserting both Jewish historical rights to Israel and unconditional demands for security.
Netanyahu’s shift boldly embraces this perspective. It’s a view shared by a vast majority of Israelis and the Israeli military. Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000, and from Gaza and the Gaza-Egypt border in 2005, without any security agreements or defined borders in order to demonstrate to the U.S. and the “international community” its desire for peace. Not only did a stronger Hamas and Hezbollah emerge to launch attacks on Israel, withdrawal also, as Diker notes, “created and reinforced the impression that the demonstrable lack of peace is Israel’s fault and can be rectified only by further Israeli concessions.”
Ariel Sharon’s former national security adviser Major General (ret.) Giora Eiland pointedly concluded that concessions-based diplomacy made even a two-state solution untenable:
Israel’s current strength constitutes a tremendous change in its strategic situation but Palestinians cannot expect Israel to both concede territory and absorb refugees — that is simply impossible. No Israeli government could agree to decrease the state’s size by withdrawing from territory and then in turn exacerbate domestic demographic problems by also agreeing to absorb refugees — such a move would threaten Israel’s existence as a Jewish democracy.
Eiland notes what Obama and others seem oblivious to:
If Israel returned to the 1967 borders, an intolerable situation would emerge in the Jerusalem corridor. Only one road (Highway 1) would connect the capital with the rest of the country. This would drastically restrict movement to the city and create a security problem — namely, any Palestinians in possession of an efficient mortar range, standard antitank weapons, or even light arms could effectively control the road from the border.
The only practicable way to reduce the severity of this threat is to control more territory… Israel will incur a considerable security risk if it reaches a permanent agreement with the Palestinians. [Emphasis added.]
This risk is even greater now. As Barry Rubin, director of the Global Research in International Affairs (GLORIA) Center, notes: “The moment when Israel is about to have three hostile and radical Islamist neighbors (Egypt, Gaza Strip, Lebanon) with the possibility of a fourth (a possible Syrian revolution) is not the time to demand concessions to a fifth, half-Islamist, half-radical nationalist one.” Rubin writes that Obama seemingly still believes that Israel should “make a lot of concessions as fast as possible so that the Israel-Palestinian conflict will end and then Israel (with reduced territory and a new hostile, much bigger, neighbor!) will be more popular in the world and more secure in the Middle East.”
Netanyahu understands that this approach has threatened the continued existence of Israel. He understands talking about the urgency of territorial concerns in Israel will have the same effect as Neville Chamberlain telling Czechoslovakia that the threat of war was reason enough to give Sudetenland to the Nazis. Congress understands too. Only Obama and a Europe indifferent to Israel’s survival and the Auschwitz borders believe otherwise.
About the Author
Robert M. Goldberg is vice president of the Center for Medicine in the Public Interest and founder of Hands Off My H ealth, a grass roots health care empowerment network. His is new book, Tabloid Medicine: How the Internet is Being Used To Hijack Medical Science For Fear and Profit, was published last month by Kaplan.
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Paul| 5.26.11 @ 6:39AM
The return to the 1967 borders is a step toward the destruction of Israel. Hussein Obama calling for this might be the biggest foreign policy back stab of all time. Please my American Jewish friends, please wake up to fact that Hussein Obama is an anti-Semite, every $ you raise for him you raise for the enemy.
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Alan Brooks| 5.26.11 @ 8:11PM
The following headline will give Clint a 'stiffie' (this is a family site):
"How Nazi Scientists Tried To Create An Army Of Talking Dogs "
victor| 5.28.11 @ 2:24AM
I think they succeeded as Clint thinks of himself as "an Army of one dog".
Not only does he talk, but he types without looking at the keyboard, well most of the time.
Dee See| 5.26.11 @ 6:55AM
And speaking of 'contested' borders-----
ANY bets on just how close we are to the
FINAL collapse of our own borders? ---thanks
to intense CFR subterfuge and MASSIVE
funding of BOTH 'La Raza' and 'La Reconquista'
by our capstone 'benny violence' and EUGENICS,
ultra rich, TAX FREE foundations
(Rockefeller/Ford/Carnegie).
And BTW ---the same now all share the same
''benny violent' board of directors.
OH, and DON'T go looking for any quality
coverage of the situation from the 'populist'
FOX Newscorp psy op.
Seems Murdoch himself, when not assisting
Beijing with its 'perception management'
problems (86 MILLION exterminated in 'peacetime')
---is himself funding chain-pulling
exploitation flicks like 'Machete'.
Intelligent Design| 5.26.11 @ 8:14AM
Obama is a lightweight, completely outclassed and diminished by Netanyahu's strong performance. There is no doubt about which one is the private, and which one is the general. Netanyahu knows that Palestinians, Hamas, and the Muslim Brotherhood are the same thing, that they will never recognize Israel, and that Israel can deliver lethal blows to its vile and stupid 7th century Muslim enemies.
Perhaps Obama will also call on South Korea to cede land to North Korea, as part of the "peace process" in Asia? How about Arizona giving land to Mexico? Obama is a treacherous impostor, and a loose cannon on deck. Along with his Demo-Socialist allies in Congress, he's already done so much damage to the United States --- so 2012 can't come soon enough!
C Smith| 5.26.11 @ 8:36AM
As Obama "gathers" support for "the Auschwitz borders" from all the "nations," another "gathering" is being prepared:
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Thenshall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these MY BRETHREN [LITERALLY THE JEWS] ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal (Matthew 25:31:46, emphasis added).
"The twenty-fifth chapter of Mathew talks about the fact that there will be separated at this time the sheep from the goats and a lot of people misunderstand this. The sheep and the goats speak of those nations, particularly individual people. The sheep are those that have followed the Lord Jesus Christ and evidenced that fact by being kind to the nation of Israel during those tribulation days. And the goats are those that have refused and rebelled against God" (The Valley Church, emphasis added).
Mimi| 5.26.11 @ 8:54AM
Hilary and Obama are insisting Israel give, give, and give to their own detriment. And this is all POLITICAL....we will see this HURRY, HURRY, HURRAY until Nov. 2012. No matter what...SHAMEFULL....Their chaos is becoming intolerable....Most of us wish they would just SHUT-UP and GO AWAY!!!
Mimi| 5.26.11 @ 9:00AM
Oh and about AUSCHWITZ....The President of these UNITED STATES and his wife should take a little SIDE-TRIP and visit the former killing fields....Get some perspective!!!
Paul| 5.26.11 @ 9:18AM
Mimi - The trip would be wasted on Mr. & Mrs. Obama. They are soul mates of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, and Louis Farrakhan Muhammad, I think we know their view on Jewish people and White Christian Americans in general. You are who you associate with.
Mimi| 5.26.11 @ 9:32AM
I heard the SOUL-MATES are planning more BOAT-TRIPS to Israel ...to stir the POT of propaganda !
Paul| 5.26.11 @ 9:42AM
Good - a big group of terrorists gathered in one place, easy for the Israeli Navy to send them all to the bottom of the Med. Hopefully Bill Ayres and his lovey bride will be onboard.
Occam's Tool| 5.26.11 @ 3:50PM
What Israel did wrong with the first boat was not stand off and let the band "Ma Deuce and her meat choppers" play all day long.
RCV| 5.26.11 @ 6:03PM
Since Obama associates with David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel, then, he must be Jewish by your logic.
victor| 5.26.11 @ 9:03PM
Rahm and David, as with all liberals, are liberals First, Last and Always.
Everything else is a far distant fourth.
Redstateboy| 5.26.11 @ 10:48AM
when I heard Hussein propose settlement based on Israels' 1967 borders.. I thought - "Is he nuts!!?" Israel was attacked for the very reason that (that) border made it militarily advantageous for Israels enemies to do so.
Paul| 5.26.11 @ 10:56AM
Red State - Not nuts, makes perfect sense seeing that he is pro-Islamist, anti-Semite, anti-American, and anti-white male (something he learned from his mother). See my post above regarding who his friends are.
RCV| 5.26.11 @ 6:05PM
He didn't propose settlement on the '67 borders, as those of you hard of hearing keep insisting. He recognized that those borders will have to be adjusted due to the realities on the ground and subject to Israel's approval. That's why the head of Kadima, Tzipi Livni, endorsed his proposal, and why Bibi acknowledged before Congress that that was what Obama in fact had proposed.
victor| 5.26.11 @ 9:06PM
Kadima?
Kadima is either a leftist political party or a Jewish mental health agency.
Either way, they are both nuts.
No wonder you cite them.
RCV| 5.27.11 @ 1:38AM
Kadima is the largest party in the Knesset, Victor. It's a centrist party founded by former Likud members. Ehud Olmert, the last Israeli prime minister, was a member. If you purport to be a strong supporter of Israel, you might learn something about the country.
Fredrick Ward| 5.27.11 @ 10:21AM
RCV, while I understand your point I do not agree that Israel should negotiate any land swaps at all. Everytime they have done this it has only bolstered the enemy to attack them further. This will come to no good end. I pray that nothing comes of it, and it is but one of the many stalemated talks in the history of that region.
RCV| 5.27.11 @ 1:02PM
Fredrick: I don't necessarily disagree with you in the sense that, like Occam, I believe the ultimate borders should be the ones Israelis themselves feel comfortable with.
The ultimate dillema is this: Israel can't forever retain Gaza and the bulk of the West Bank and remain both Jewish and democratic. Israelis know this. The ideal solution, in retrospect of course, would have been for Israel to retain Jerusalem and as much of the West Bank as it deems necessary for security (along with the Golan, formerly part of Syria) and return the rest of the West Bank to Jordan, who would never have countenanced an independent "Palestinian" state on its border. But that's no longer an option, at least for now. As for the hellhole of Gaza, it should be sealed off as solidly as possible and let it become Egypt's problem once again.
But my bottom line, ultimately, is whatever the Israelis believe works for them works for me.
victor| 5.28.11 @ 2:20AM
ReallyCondescendingVerbiage:
"Kadima is the largest party in the Knesset, Victor."
The largest? By what, one seat?
28 to 27? 23 to 22% of the Knesset?
That and a quarter, as they used to say, would get you a cup of coffee.
And who leads the government? Bibi, that's who.
He makes a great Prime Minister. Just think if we had a president like him.
http://en.netanyahu.org.il/
"It's a centrist party founded by former Likud members."
Nice of you to leave out the Labor members who defected to Kadima.
That defines it as Center Left party, eh?
Wiki:
Kadima (Hebrew: קדימה, lit. Forward) is a centrist and liberal political party in Israel.
By the way, no need to be so bleedin' condescending.
Are you taking lessons from Stuart Koehl?
RCV| 5.28.11 @ 2:21PM
Victor - reread your response to my post. If you hadn't been so nasty, perhaps I wouldn't have been so condescending.
victor| 5.29.11 @ 3:07AM
Nasty?
I simply called you on your contention that Kadima is the LARGEST party in Israel.
I simply stated that is was number one by ONE seat.
Kadima is NOT centrist, not when you have a third or so Socialist Leftist Labor members.
By the way, is it, or is it not so, coincidental that they share their name with the Jewish Forward Socialist newspaper in New York City?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.....sevelt.jpg
Kadima is, after all, Forward in Hebrew.
I am just being informative, but condescension is your middle name.
I never look down my nose at anyone, 'cept maybe Clint, but that's because he is only 4 foot tall.
You need to lighten up, you take yourself entirely too seriously.
By the way, I guess the joke about coffee was beyond your time, eh?
And here, I thought you were an olde geezere much like myself.
Dean| 5.26.11 @ 11:00AM
The idea of a "Palestinian" state is utterly ridiculous. They have made a mess of Gaza, and would make a mess of anything else they touch. Israel should out-and-out annex the West Bank and be done with it. There is no point whatsoever in negotiating with a Palestanian Authority whose primary goal is the complete destruction of the state of Israel and the extermination of the Jewish people.
RCV| 5.27.11 @ 1:04PM
And if it is annexed in toto, how does Israel remain Jewish and democratic?
davelnaf| 5.26.11 @ 11:06AM
Even the Bamster can’t force the Israelis to drink the Kool-Aid insanity that the Arabs won’t try to exploit a rollback to its pre-1967 borders. So, why did he suggest such a thing? Maybe the Political Class in Washington has emboldened him by allowing him to get away with too much as it is—nothing makes a punk bolder than when the law is not pursuing him as aggressively as he thinks it should.
NJK| 5.28.11 @ 4:22PM
Of course that's what it is. When questions came up about his eligibility they were ignored. This told him he could do as he pleases. Then they seem surprised when he won't provide documents relating to Fort Hood, Operation Gunrunner, etc. If you're going to look the other way when someone commits crimes, they will keep doing it.
chaldean| 5.26.11 @ 11:17AM
"There should be an end to the occupation that began in 1967. The agreement must establish Palestine as a homeland for the Palestinian people, just as Israel is a homeland for the Jewish people. "
- George W. Bush, Jan. 10 2008
Ken (Old Texican)| 5.26.11 @ 11:31AM
Chaldean,
sorry, but you are a dumbass. The most wonderful thing in the world to many Mexicans...is that Texas is no longer Mexican. They can come here if they got the guts, and make a good living without the corruption Mexico is buried in.
It is the same with Israel.
Good clean honest Palestinians quietly ease into Israel every day...and the ISRAELIS DON'T SCREW WITH THEM. (shhhhhh!)
chaldean| 5.26.11 @ 1:37PM
Buen cuento vato. At least, spin the quote to mean something else.
Al Adab| 5.26.11 @ 1:45PM
Do the Chaldeans have a right of return. Get over it. Who started the '67 war and who won it? Agressors take the risk when they attack. Jordan had the "west bank" before as their territory. No one left except through their own volition, there were no deportations.
chaldean| 5.26.11 @ 3:49PM
Then why would George Bush say something so terrible? Flames and digression mean 'no answer'.
Al Adab| 5.26.11 @ 4:53PM
Are you citing G. Bush an an authority? I can't think of many Comservatives who would do that. Perhaps you just find it convient when his views do overlap your own.
Al Adab| 5.26.11 @ 4:57PM
Oops, convenient. ESL problem you know.
chaldean| 5.26.11 @ 5:42PM
He was wrong?
Al Adab| 5.26.11 @ 6:42PM
Like most Presidents, more than once.
chaldean| 5.26.11 @ 7:40PM
Well, good. If somebody says it's wrong now AND then, fine.
Fredrick Ward| 5.27.11 @ 10:27AM
Yes, Bush was a socialist left leaning President. He proposals were all left leaning towards a socialist state.
He was wrong in his assumption. Good enough for you? Bush is not the kind of president we want in office next go around.
chaldean| 5.26.11 @ 7:40PM
Well, good. If somebody says it's wrong now AND then, fine.
John| 5.26.11 @ 12:27PM
There really is no end to this Zionist drivel. Mr Abbas should move the vote at the UN to June. America can apply the veto. And then we can have an end to this endless hasbara. Baith al Maqdis ( so call t. Mount) is one of the most beautiful places on earth. The dome of the rock will stop you in your tracks .Visitors are allowed in the morning only. Muslim worshippers can enter at any timw once the isreali soldiers have been negotiated. Next year in liberated Jerusalem inshallah. Straight to the wall of al buraq.
Al Adab| 5.26.11 @ 1:47PM
You should be grateful John, that the Israeli army saved the Al Aqsa mosque and Dome of the Rock from destruction when they captured Al Quds in '67.
John| 5.26.11 @ 2:18PM
I will be even more grateful when they leave.
Al Adab| 5.26.11 @ 2:49PM
A bit myoptic aren't we?
Occam's Tool| 5.26.11 @ 3:52PM
Wow, John. No spelling errors! (And no words of more than 2 syllables.)
Ever wonder why the Arab world has pathetically little learning, John?
KyMouse| 5.26.11 @ 4:47PM
John, do you think the famous "devil face" on one of the marble slabs on the Dome of the Rock is beautiful? Google "Is the devil's face on the Dome of the Rock?" to see actual photos at answeringmuslims.com.
I've seen it myself, up close and personal, and it isn't beautiful.
John| 5.26.11 @ 5:56PM
Kymouse
Keep of the weed man. It makes you see things that arn't there. Believe in political ideas based on fairy tales. Next you'll be telling me that Obama is a Muslim / Marxist. A contradiction, yes. But once you take the weed into account entirely plausible. The dome of the rock- incredible - the rock has a gave inside it. Its the most peaceful place on the earth. The oldest part of the mosque has the place Mary (pbuh). Inside the mosque is the original pulpit of sallah ud din ayubi ( ra). Put that into google and smoke it.
KyMouse| 5.27.11 @ 10:41AM
I asked whether you believe that picture is beautiful.
"The dome of the rock - incredible - the rock has a gave inside it...The oldest part of the mosque has the place Mary (pbuh)" --the place Mary WHAT? And what's a gave?
If you meant a CAVE, big deal! Kentucky's rocks have the world's longest known cave system -- Mammoth Cave. So far, 390 miles of it have been explored.
Please tell us whether or not you admit that the Temple Mount was the site of the Jewish Temple many centuries before the Muslims arrived.
RCV| 5.26.11 @ 6:11PM
We WILL veto any such move. The Mount is beuatiful, and the Dome of the Rock is indeed stunning. Now that the Israelis have political jurisdiction over the area, at last people of all faiths can visit it. Jerusalem was liberated in 1967, and thanks to Moshe Dayan, control of Al-Aqsa and the Dome returned to the Muslin Waqf. maybe when Mecca gets liberated, all of us can visit the Kaaba too.
Al Adab| 5.26.11 @ 6:25PM
RCV:
See my above re: Israeli army protecting the mosque and Dome.
John| 5.26.11 @ 6:40PM
Millions come and leave Mecca each day. The kabba is a unique object on the earth. The ultimate confessional. It will mesmerise and calm at the same time. To gaze at it is blinding. There is no room for non Muslim tourists. If you want to try here is a tip. Memorise these words:
ʾašhadu ʾan lā ʾilāha ʾilla (A)llāh, wa ʾašhadu ʾanna Muḥammada(n) rasūlu (A)llāh
Every door will open for you . And you are most welcome . I guarantee you will not be disappointed once you get pass the infinite crowds.
Al Adab| 5.26.11 @ 6:44PM
Now John, don't go trying to get converts surreptitiously. Might as well baptize them unawares.
John| 5.26.11 @ 7:08PM
It's only a conversion if the heart accepts. And only god knows about the heart. And anyway how else will he get to Mecca - the end and the beginning of the universe. The bedu in the magical kingdom arn't particularly bright.
Al Adab| 5.26.11 @ 7:25PM
Small "g" Yahya?
RCV| 5.27.11 @ 1:45AM
Hey, if Sir Richard Burton did it, so can I. But while I'm happy to acknowledge that there is no god but God, I sure can't acknowledge that Muhammed was his prophet. In civilized open societies, all people would be welcome, as they are at the Vatican and the Western Wall, Bhuddist Temples and Shinto Shrines. And ... they don't tear down the objects of worship built by people of other faiths, as was done at Bamiyan, and as the Jordanians did to the Synagogues in the old Jewish Quarter. Shameful.
victor| 5.28.11 @ 2:30AM
Hey John,
Memorize THESE words:
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He
gave His only begotten Son, that everyone
believing into Him should not perish, but
have everlasting Life."
They will open the only door that matters.
John 10:9
"I am the Door; if any one enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture."
Nick| 5.26.11 @ 7:15PM
Come John!
Come, join the American Zionist love fest.
You can bring the knish!
I can't wait for the day when someone hauls about a thousand pounds of AN/FO up to the Dome o f the Rock, and turns it into the Dome of a Million Rocks.
John| 5.26.11 @ 7:41PM
Thankfully we believe in God. The all knowing, Everlasting, Eternal God. Buildings and rocks we can glue back together. The tunnels dug under the base of the mosque by the zionists may have the same intended consequences. Then there will be a rupture in the space time continuum. And the Christian zionists may get their wish...........the end.
Nick| 5.26.11 @ 8:00PM
Stop it John! You're scaring me!
Try some Zionist lovin', John. You'll like it.
She might make you some kreplach!
Nick| 5.26.11 @ 8:02PM
"Buildings and rocks we can glue back together."
Yes, this is what Christians had to do for centuries.
Thanks to the Moslem hoards who destroyed our churches.
John| 5.26.11 @ 8:11PM
Keep smoking the weed nick.
Nick| 5.27.11 @ 12:12AM
Stop supporting terrorists, John.
Fredrick Ward| 5.27.11 @ 10:38AM
If you like it so much then go live over there with your rag head buddies. As far as the dome of the jackass , and dirt land mecca you can keep them until someone decides to return the favor of your terrorist actions against the rest of the world. Best way to get rid of a lot of wing nut wacko Muslims. All joined in one spot and ready for the dropping. No sane person would mourn their passing.
victor| 5.26.11 @ 9:12PM
A representative from Israel began: 'Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Moses: When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought, 'What a good opportunity to have a bath!'
Moses removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water. When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished. A Palestinian had stolen them!
The Palestinian representative at the UN jumped up furiously and shouted, 'What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren't there then.'
The Israeli representative smiled and said, 'And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech..'.
VBMax| 5.26.11 @ 12:42PM
I've been saying it ever since our Islamist president got elected: He is going to push the Middle East into a huge regional war. Could even be bigger than that. Could even go nuclear.
Oldefarte| 5.26.11 @ 12:58PM
No one [and especially Jews and Israelies] who trusts this president over anything is simply a FOOL. As the congressman at the State of the Union address shouted out, YOU/HE LIE[S] about anthing and everything. He invented or re-invented the phrase about TALKING OUT OF TWO SIDES of one's mouth!!!!!!!!
Ned| 5.26.11 @ 2:00PM
I am tired of the whole concept that the world must find a solution to the Mideast's semitiphobia. We have the solution. It is called the status quo. It is time for the "palestinians" to get jobs, build lives, and move on. They are not some special problem. They are just another run-of-the-mill pain in the a**.
Intelligent Design| 5.26.11 @ 2:16PM
Amen.
Israel was founded 5/14/1948. Five days later it was attacked by Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Iraq. About 880,000 Jews were driven from Islamic countries, including Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Iran, and Yemen. In Nazi fashion, the various Muslim governments raided and destroyed the homes of Jews, they tortured and executed Jews, and they took their property with no compensation. Very few Jews are left in Islamic countries, but about 1.5 million Muslims live in Israel in peace and security. Nothing about Islam has changed. It is an evil 7th century political ideology, which seeks to merge so-called "religion" and state. The goal of Islam is to ban religious freedom, and install so-called "holy law" (sharia). For example, in Saudi Arabia the constitution is the Koran, the law is sharia, and the practice of any other religion is banned. Islam is hostile and subversive to secular law, including our Bill of Rights. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. The best thing a Muslim can do is become an ex-Muslim. Reject the 7th century and join the 21st. Islamic countries share many features, among which are lack of freedom, backward economies, hatred of Christians, Jews, and all other "Infidels", and now very unstable governments. Four and a half million pathetic "Palestinian refugees" are on a UN welfare program which provides them with assistance in housing, education, food, medicine, and cash. They have been on the UN dole for generations, for 60 years, based on the absurd premise that they are entitled to reclaim land in Israel. In stark contrast to the Muslim states, Israel has a strong economy, freedom, advanced technology and medicine, and respect for human rights. Israel is a valuable, essential ally of the United States, whether the Obamas of this world think so or not.
Redstateboy| 5.26.11 @ 3:42PM
Intelligent Design.. you can get in to trouble telling the truth. To your world Liber-ul - Israel and the Jew IS the problem.
Al Adab| 5.26.11 @ 6:36PM
Nice job ID:
Refer to Francis Fukuyama, The Origins of Political Order, particularly chapters 13 and 14 for insight into Moslem states.
Intelligent Design| 5.26.11 @ 9:22PM
Some books worth reading: The Crisis of Islam, by Bernard Lewis; The Grand Jihad, by Andrew McCarthy; The Israel Test, by George Gilder; In Ishmael's House, by Martin Gilbert; Islam, by Lewis and Churchill; and Reflections on the Revolution in Europe, by Christopher Caldwell.
Intelligent Design| 5.26.11 @ 9:24PM
Also: http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/.....1&month=01
Occam's Tool| 5.26.11 @ 3:52PM
RedState Boy,
I like the Cut of Your Jib.
Occam's Tool| 5.26.11 @ 3:53PM
By the way, I love you guys.
Al Adab| 5.26.11 @ 4:55PM
OT which Ruth Crist's with you and RCV? Is Ken coming?
Alan Brooks| 5.26.11 @ 8:15PM
If only Clint had been born 60 years earlier:
"In his new book 'Amazing Dogs: A Cabinet of Canine Curiosities', Cardiff University historian Jan Bondeson mines obscure German periodicals to reveal the Nazis' failed attempt to breed an army of educated dogs that could read, write and talk.
"In the 1920s, Germany had numerous 'new animal psychologists' who believed dogs were nearly as intelligent as humans, and capable of abstract thinking and communication," he writes. "When the Nazi party took over, one might have thought they would be building concentration camps to lock these fanatics up, but instead they were actually very interested in their ideas."
According to the book, scientists envisioned a day when dogs would serve alongside German troops, and perhaps free up SS officers by guarding concentration camps. So to unlock all that canine potential, Hitler set up a Tier-Sprechschule (Animal Talking School) near Hanover and recruited "educated dogs" from throughout the country. Teachers claimed a number of incredible findings. An Airedale terrier named Rolf became a mythic figure of the project after teachers said he could spell by tapping his paw on a board. They also said he used that skill to learn foreign languages and muse on religion."
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victor| 5.26.11 @ 9:16PM
"the Nazis' failed attempt to breed an army of educated dogs that could read, write and talk."
An Airedale terrier named Rolf became a mythic figure of the project after teachers said he could spell by tapping his paw on a board. They also said he used that skill to learn foreign languages and muse on religion."
Isn't that how Clint got to be Clint in the first place?
He got so good at tapping, which is why he is here at AmSpec.
Ashamed to be a gentile| 5.26.11 @ 9:48PM
The purpose of America is greater Israel. Greater Israel means, from the Nile to the Euphrates. It is imperative that the USA expend all its effort to ensure that this occurs, as it is written in the Bible. To do otherwise will invite the wrath of God. As for the residents of the lands in Greater Israel who are not Jewish, they will need to move. I only regret that as an American gentile I have but one voice to speak this & one bank account to draw on to make this occur.
Dee See| 5.26.11 @ 11:24PM
"---Clearly Isreal was set up to be, in proper
Freemason fashion, a source of endless, irresolvable conflict.
'Order out of chaos' if you will.
Similiar in some ways to the perpetual
conflict of Northern Ireland. Also 'set up'."
-ALAN WATT
(essential online clarity)
"We are using MASSIVE third world
(esp. muslim) immigration to destroy
British culture once and for all ---forever..."
-TONY BLAIR
Former PM/Globalist/Demographics EUGENIST
(Daily Mail cited by ALAN WATT)
As third generation EUGENISTS direct our
entire medical establishment, as 5 mega-agri
businesses control, and are ruining, food
production across the planet, as the greatest
'EUGENICS friendly' nuclear disaster in
history is buried by corporate media -------
WHAT ARE YOU NOT GETTING-------?
Richard Baker| 5.27.11 @ 10:57AM
Bibi already said NO. I also find it fascinating that the anti-Brit occupant at 1600 Pennsylvania now sees value (or usefulness, at minimum) from the British. I guess Mr. 1600 sees no irony in his anti-colonial British stance because a member of his family was roughed up during the Mau Mau uprising. This fella is mentally confused, it appears.
C Smith| 5.28.11 @ 4:08AM
As Netanyahu pleaded, that Israel cannot "go back to the 1967 lines, and that "these lines are indefensible," our president burned in silent rage. Never had anyone transgressed a photo opt by "disagreeing" with the master of the (white) house and forgoing his due reverence. That is, except for this Jew. One can only imagine the wrath, were it not for the cameras. And before the Israeli Prime Minister had finished speaking, the lot had been cast!
Amazing how things never really change: "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun" (Ecclessiastes1:9).
"After these things did king Ahasuerus promote Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, and advanced him, and set his seat above all the princes that were with him. And all the king's servants, that were in the king's gate, bowed, and reverenced Haman: for the king had so commanded concerning him. But Mordecai bowed not, nor did him reverence. Then the king's servants, which were in the king's gate, said unto Mordecai, Why transgressest thou the king's commandment? Now it came to pass, when they spake daily unto him, and he hearkened not unto them, that they told Haman, to see whether Mordecai's matters would stand: for he had told them that he was a Jew.
And when Haman saw that Mordecai bowed not, nor did him reverence, then was Haman full of wrath. And he thought scorn to lay hands on Mordecai alone; for they had shewed him the people of Mordecai: wherefore Haman sought to destroy all the Jews that were throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus, even the people of Mordecai. In the first month, that is, the month Nisan, in the twelfth year of king Ahasuerus, they cast Pur, that is, the lot, before Haman from day to day, and from month to month, to the twelfth month, that is, the month Adar. And Haman said unto king Ahasuerus, There is a certain people scattered abroad and dispersed among the people in all the provinces of thy kingdom; and their laws are diverse from all people; neither keep they the king's laws: therefore it is not for the king's profit to suffer them. If it please the king, let it be written that they may be destroyed: and I will pay ten thousand talents of silver to the hands of those that have the charge of the business, to bring it into the king's treasuries. And the king took his ring from his hand, and gave it unto Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, the Jews' enemy.
And the king said unto Haman, The silver is given to thee, the people also, to do with them as it seemeth good to thee. Then were the king's scribes called on the thirteenth day of the first month, and there was written according to all that Haman had commanded unto the king's lieutenants, and to the governors that were over every province, and to the rulers of every people of every province according to the writing thereof, and to every people after their language; in the name of king Ahasuerus was it written, and sealed with the king's ring. And the letters were sent by posts into all the king's provinces, to destroy, to kill, and to cause to perish, all Jews, both young and old, little children and women, in one day, even upon the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, which is the month Adar, and to take the spoil of them for a prey.... And the king and Haman sat down to drink...." (Esther 3:1-15).
http://theisraelofgod.blogspot.....rders.html