It is now called empathy deficiency, and it's treatable.
In Waterloo, Illinois a man stands accused of
strangling to death his wife and two small children. The
accused,Chris Coleman, worked
as a bodyguard for the
televangelistJoyce
Meyer. After work, he was diddling his
wife's best friend. Prosecutors say rather than filing for divorce
and risk losing his job, Coleman murdered his wife and two
sons.
Entered into evidence was a selection of animal
strangulation videos Coleman enjoyed watching. (I suppose the
"Tootin' Bathtub Baby Cousins" YouTube
sensation just didn't do it for him anymore.)
For an expert witness, the defense could do worse
than recruit Simon Baron-Cohen, author of
Zero Degrees of Empathy: A New Theory of Human Cruelty.
While the casual observer would insist that Chris Coleman is merely
evil, Baron-Cohen would contend that the sick videos prove Coleman
suffers from a disability, i.e., a severe lack of empathy.
Naturally, a man with "eroded empathy" cannot be found guilty of
homicide. He may, however, be treated. Perhaps with a combination
of hormone injections,gene
therapy,and
counseling.
In fact, Baron-Cohen would like us to do away with
the concept of evil altogether.
The Cambridge don finds the whole idea of evil
unhelpful. What's more, it is simplistic and unscientific. It
smacks of the Bible and ancient superstitions. And it tells us
nothing. Why is one evil? Again, it comes down to the
inability to empathize or to identify with
others.
To this end, Baron-Cohen has devised six degrees of
empathy. His empathy spectrum would award a six to someone like
Bill Clinton, who claimed to be able to feel the pain of an entire
nation, and a zero to the husband who honestly answers his wife's
query about whether her jeans makes her butt look big. At the peak
of the bell curve stands your Average Empathy Joe who tears up at
Schindler's List, but remains dry-eyed if not slightly
nauseous during
theTitanic.
Baron-Cohen has also devised a questionnaire to test
our empathy quotient (EQ). Shockingly, I scored at the lower end
(31 out of 80), which means either I am a fervent individualist or
a menace to society.
BARON-COHEN BEGAN his research trying to "understand
theHolocaust." In the main, he agrees with
Hannah Arendt's idea about
theBanality of
Evil(though he would object to the term evil). Arendt
found the Nazis to be bland, passionless bureaucrats, who were
unable to empathize with their victims. She noted that Germans
traditionally had been taught to embrace conformity and
unquestioningly follow orders. ("I was just following orders," was
the war criminal's standard defense.) However, both Baron-Cohen and
Arendt give short shrift to the German's deep ingrained feeling of
national superiority, his bitter resentment, his desire for
revenge, his anti-Semitism, and the perceived rightness of his
actions. Combined these made for a thick stew that fed the flames
of the Holocaust. (Actually, the real lesson to be learned from the
Holocaust is not that your average German lacked empathy, but
rather that he should have been more distrustful of government and
his political leaders.)
Baron-Cohen fingers our hormones, genes, and
neglectful mothers as causes for empathy deficiency. One example:
his research indicates the more testosterone you are exposed to in
the womb, the less empathy you will have. (I suppose that explains
the Bitch
of Belsen. She had too much testosterone, poor
dear.)
Naturally, if the problem is largely genetic and
hormonal, as Baron-Cohen argues, it can be eradicated through
gene/hormone therapy, thus setting the stage for an edenic future
where Israelis and Palestinians group hug and your co-workers do
not steal your bologna sandwiches from the lunchroom
fridge.
Baron-Cohen's agenda is plain. Close the prisons and
admit criminals to hospitals where ObamaCare can work its magic.
After all, "no one is responsible for his own genes." (Now that we
have done away with the concepts of evil and personal
responsibility, anything else we can get rid of?)
Just one problem. What we have traditionally
identified as evil is not a lack of empathy, but its opposite: the
ability to keenly imagine your victim's pain, and relishing in it.
I imagineOsama
bin Ladenunderstood pretty well
what those Americans in the World Trade Center would go through.
That was the whole point. Fortunately America didn't swallow
Baron-Cohen's snake oil and sic headshrinkers on the Al Qaeda
leader. Fortunately we sent in the Navy SEALS.
About the Author
Christopher Orletwrites every Thursday from St. Louis.
A very dangerous lack of empathy is that displayed by many
do-gooders, who really are unable to crawl inside the skins of
psychopaths and sociopaths to see the evil. Like the young women
who fall for and abet mass murderers in prison, these do-gooders
attribute to themselves superior insight and morality and put us at
risk to get an ego fix.
Mr ED| 5.5.11 @ 7:56AM
"Do-gooders" = Malignant narcissists = Modern Liberals.
No matter how you do the calculation, it always adds up the
same.
Occam's Tool| 5.5.11 @ 11:12PM
You know, I have never met a psychopath in prison who was not
also a malignant narcissist. I remember talking to a Correctional
Officer captain, who shared the same experience.
LMajito| 5.5.11 @ 7:26AM
it is so dangerous for humans, specially in the us, to begin
thinking that because "we're doing The Lord's work" God's mandates
do not apply to them.
The list is endless of characters that have fallen away
believing they were doing God's work...let's begin with Saul of
Tarsus (later most commonly known as apostle Paul)...
But if one takes a reading of the scriptures one of the items
that will surface in the latter stages of the current human
experience in this planet is going to be calling evil good and good
evil...
this coleman character is proof that in his mind doing The
Lord's work with Meyer was more important and thus killing his
wife/children was ok.
crazy the deed doer and more so the excuser/enabler of this
actions...
which brings to mind the scene at the garden, as described by
Moses' first book...God confronts man about his disobedience, he
blames Eve (and God himself for giving her to him...implication
being if you had not made her i would never disobeyed you), then
Eve, taking a clue from her mentor blamed the snake...God picking
up on this stopped there and began to discharge judgements starting
with the lower creature and leaving the worst hit for the first
dude...
Appleby| 5.5.11 @ 7:29AM
I had a cousin who was a sociopath, and my college roommate had
a son who was one. They are not like the rest of us. There is a
piece very obviously missing.
Being Catholic and religious, and human, I am quite aware of
evil and its influence, and I think a large percentage of the
current rise in evil is due to the detachment of individuals from
actual human contact. When one knows other people only through the
medium of a screen between the thumbs or a laptop or iPad or
*device* of some kind, it becomes increasingly difficult to imagine
that these are people like oneself. Cyberbullying is easy because
its just typing; there is no physical contact and no need to see
the effect of what one does. During the last election campaign here
in Toronto, one neighbourhood suffered vandalism including the
cutting of brake lines on their cars, because of their yard signs.
The vandals didnt have to think about people being killed in those
cars. They never had to see those people and would be back in the
basement playing World of Warcraft when the mother driving her kids
to school couldnt stop at a red light and the car was crushed by a
fire truck.
As the world becomes more and more detached from human
interaction, no one should be surprised that criminality and evil
increase. Perhaps the solution will be to deprive them of their
binkies and toss them into the general prison population.
Frisbee| 5.5.11 @ 8:54PM
I heard that the genesis of some of these problems was covered
in a book by Dr Stanton Samenow, "Before It's Too Late".
The crazy thing about the denial of evil is the obvious protest
"if it's not evil, then why try to prevent it?"
A lack of conscience is a very serious evil, whatever its
origins. A lack of empathy is just one type. A masochist would have
empathy as long as he also performed sadism.
Richard Baker| 5.5.11 @ 7:37AM
Sounds like yet another "academic" who has waaay too much time
on his hands.
NHLibertarian| 5.5.11 @ 7:38AM
Hmmmm! Sacha Baron-Cohen, Simon Baron-Cohen - is their a
similarity here? Has Sacha (of Borat-fame) put one over on Mr.
Orlet and the Intellectoids? Sure sounds like something Barat's
feeble-mind might cook up! And, something devotees of the New York
Times would eat up. Next we'll have interview with the
'distinguished' author Barat dressed in an tutu and conducted by
the world-class journalist Ms. Katy Couric.
Doctor Right| 5.5.11 @ 7:47AM
Is this guy related to Borat??
the permanent newbie| 5.5.11 @ 3:05PM
As a matter of fact, yes. If I remember correctly, he's Sacha
Baron Cohen's older brother.
Ryan| 5.5.11 @ 8:12AM
"There is none righteous, not even one..."
A point can be made here about the different views on human
nature. The Christian perspective is that we are sinners from the
start, that we a born in rebellion against God and need His saving
hand to rescue us from our sin.
The other side states that we are good at birth, and society
corrupts us somehow.
The result is what you see above of the latter.
Jacobite| 5.5.11 @ 1:39PM
The 'environmental' theory is basic to all Leftism. That their
destruction of all existing morals and culture will produce "the
new socialist man" is the justification for their actions. It's
called Lysenko-ism. The more we find out that Human Nature exists,
is innate, and is unalterable, the more pretzels Leftists have to
twist into to maintain their enviro delusion.
skip| 5.5.11 @ 5:46PM
Great, so liberalism is 'intelligence and honesty deficiency',
they're just born that way. Conservatives need to get off their
backs about it, the real problem is that conservatism is 'empathy
of 'intelligence and honesty deficiency' deficiency'.
Big Tony| 5.5.11 @ 8:40AM
Sorry Chris but is was Georgia Governor Zell Miller who claimed
that Bill Clinton was the only candidate who could "feel our pain"
and not a claim made by Slick Willie himself.
Miller was only mocking Clinton's statement at a town hall
meeting. Many jounOlists took it up as a great sign in Clinton's
favor, but it was the exact moment I decided against Clinton. "I
feel your pain." Ugh. I didn't watch the rest of the town hall and
I never could stand listening to him after that.
Denver Todd| 5.5.11 @ 8:43AM
In the entire time since 9/11, I have heard the cause of this to
be connected to evil only just a few times. It is hard for the
media to affirm the existence of evil because it naturally leads to
the existence of God.
C. S. P. Schofield| 5.5.11 @ 8:50AM
Evil has always been treatable, it's just that the corrects
treatment is terminal.
Maddox| 5.5.11 @ 8:55AM
Baron-Cohen is suffering from a disease himself, the disease of
"liberalism" which is only treatable with a stark dose of reality.
Unfortunately, the rest of us have to suffer from the reality of
its damage for a few liberally infected individuals to realize they
need help.
Frisbee| 5.5.11 @ 8:56PM
Bingo!
JP| 5.5.11 @ 8:58AM
But if Cohen is correct about Good-Evil, one may then ask, "Why
is empathy at all desirable?" Once you enter the world of
subjectivity all bets are off. Nature used to be the standard that
philosphers judged things. If Values have indeed replaced Good and
Evil, who says Coleman's values are any worse off than Cohen's.
We've entered the Nietzschean world where the Last Man rules. It
is a world where Evil has been replaced with therapeutic protocols.
With a little gene therapy and a lot of meds, we can cure about
anything. But, we will no longer be human.
Frisbee| 5.5.11 @ 8:57PM
Very well said. But I disagree with the very last sentence. We
would still be human, but evil humans.
Occam's Tool| 5.5.11 @ 10:55PM
JP,
reputable psychiatrists do not attempt to cure psychopathy.
There are no medications for it, or psychotherapy that works.
Bill| 5.5.11 @ 9:36AM
I hope that any judge who is offered a chance to hear the
"diminished empathy" argument offered as some sort of insanity or
diminished capacity defense to criminal behavior will respond to it
by holding that the entire criminal justice system was designed to
determine just who among us suffers from this defect and punish the
daylights out of them.
mejamom| 5.5.11 @ 10:11AM
Religion aside, I always believed people who could do murder or
even harm others with a shoulder shrug were obviously mentally ill
to some degree.
Hospitals, drugs,other therapy; fine. IF and when they are cured,
which means they understand what they have done is wrong, they can
continue on to the next step of their rehabilitation; prison.
Not a perfect system, there is cost to consider. But if we are
religious Christians we want to follow scripture. And that teaches
loving our neighbor, treating him well, forgiveness, etc.
Petronius| 5.5.11 @ 10:24AM
We went through this before with B. F. Skinner and determinism.
Any person not predisposed to engagement in conflict, mayhem,
bloodletting, or unwarranted interference, displays natural empathy
towards his neighbors by being productive, discreet, minding his
own business, and therefor, no burden to anyone. It's character
deficiency stupid!
fmm| 5.5.11 @ 11:45AM
If genetics are responsible for antisocial behavior including
murder, that is the best argument for the existence and application
of strong death penalties. Think about it.
Occam's Tool| 5.5.11 @ 11:10PM
Fmm,
I theoretically support the death penalty. My problem is in the
application of it, in many cases (OBL was guilty as sin, and
deserved the bullet, no mistake...let's talk about the typical
situation. RCV, you are not among those included in the following
conversation's generalizations---obviously, you are welcome to
comment).
I have worked with many judges and attorneys as an expert
witness. The vast majority of them I would not trust to pour piss
out of a boot; in addition, there are far too many of them with
severely defective characters, particularly judges, who have more
unchecked power than anyone else in our society.
I do not trust the system generally with that power, therefore.
I have seen the sausage being made. However, I also don't believe
in parole for murderers. That is how I live with myself.
One of the things I used to do was participate in discussions
regarding recommending psychiatrically ill inmates as being
acceptable for parole.
james wilson| 5.5.11 @ 12:37PM
The way to get more sociopathic behavior out of sociopaths is to
grant them understanding. That is elementary. The Cambridge don is
a borderline sociopathic intellectualoid who clearly lacks empathy
for victims.
Occam's Tool| 5.5.11 @ 10:52PM
Indded, James Wilson. Sociopaths use your empathy to manipulate
YOU.
The idea that there is a treatment for sociopathy is ludicrous
given the state of our knowledge at this time. I speak as a former
prison psychiatrist.
Occam's Tool| 5.5.11 @ 10:54PM
Again. The central deficit in psychopaths, the central core of
the diagnosis, is LACK OF EMPATHY. And there's NO way to give it to
them or develop it.
It's like trying to teach a shark not to eat fish.
May I suggest a further resources to learn more about empathy
and compassion.
The Center for Building a Culture of Empathy
The Culture of Empathy website is the largest internet portal for
resources and information about the values of empathy and
compassion. It contains articles, conferences, definitions,
experts, history, interviews, videos, science and much more
about empathy and compassion. http://CultureOfEmpathy.com
Also, we invite you to post a link to your article about empathy
to our Empathy Center Facebook page. http://Facebook.com/EmpathyCenter
Wayne | 5.5.11 @ 1:13PM
I suggest that you watch Clockwork Orange.
Purple Lips| 5.5.11 @ 1:35PM
Wow. Empathy in 212 Easy Steps. And for $19.99 they will throw
in a free subscription to AOL.
Wayne | 5.5.11 @ 1:10PM
What I have found is that people who preach empathy, seem to
have precious little of it. For example Obama has no empathy for
citizens who oppose his plans. He does not understand people who do
not think like him, nor does he seem to care.
I would bet that this Simon character also lacks empathy. That is
why he wants to impose his will on all of us. Our feelings do not
matter.
Sigh. It seems to be the hardest of all things for an
"intellectual" to accept that there are people who do evil because
they actively and consciously desire the deaths and
downfalls of others.
Not every great villain is an emotionally stunted individual.
Hitler was not just "working though some issues." Some villains do
their villainies because they enjoy them, and for no
other reason.
Occam's Tool| 5.5.11 @ 11:03PM
Dear Francis:
Hitler was a very emotionally stunted individual. Review his
relations with women.
Look, most psychopaths can separate good from evil. But they
have a defect of understanding---a lack of empathy. This does not
mean that they are not evil, reprehensible swine who must be
punished. Indeed, it is the external correction which IS necessary
because there is NO internal governor.
Or, as the song "Rawhide" put it so well:
"Don't try to understand them, just rope them up and brand
them..."
At our current level of knowledge we have no cure or adequate
consistent treatment for Anti-social Personality Disorder.
MarkinIdaho| 5.5.11 @ 3:18PM
Baron-Cohen forgot the most important factor in lack of empathy
- that of choice. A person chooses to be empathetic or not. The
choice determines actions and attitudes, which lead to more choices
about empathy. A person can choose to become evil; it is a bargain
for power. Choosing to be good is much more difficult, it requires
the death of one's self and redemption by a Savior.
believer| 5.5.11 @ 6:36PM
Those who dont believe in the God of the Bible have to come up
with another reason why theres so much wickedness in the world,
Gods plan is to repent, mans plan is to explain away evil with
stupid ideas.Go into the ghetto at night and preach empathy and
then be prepared to run for your life.
Osamas Pajamas| 5.5.11 @ 9:18PM
Those who attack the concepts of good, evil, and morality have
an axe to grind --- they're evil and they don't like being
called-out for being evil.
Occam's Tool| 5.5.11 @ 10:58PM
Mr Orlet, you are incorrect on one point. Mr Bin Laden's failure
to empathise with infidels is what allowed his psychopathy, not an
abundance of twisted empathy. I have worked with thousands of
psychopaths.
jbspry| 5.6.11 @ 7:31PM
"Evil" is a word and, as with all words, it means different
things to different people. I myself am an atheist and so the word
doesn't carry the connotation of "Satan-inspired" that it might for
a godly person. Still I don't reject the word as meaningless.
Those who perpetrate cruel acts for pleasure have a positive
illness that causes them to derive positive pleasure from
inflicting pain on others and watching their agonies. You could
engage in facile semantics and call it "empathy deficiency"; I
would reply that empathy is "other-feeling" and cruelty is empathy
but of a diseased kind - that it is evil.
Dee See| 5.8.11 @ 12:52AM
ALLL of it, from Jim and Tammy to 'Star Trek',
to Gloria Steinem and POP, and Billy Graham,
and Phil, and Joel Osteen and Oprah,
and pornography -------we mean ALLLLL of it
has now been revealed to be capstone funded,
engineered, set-up and promoted.
The aims?
Discrediting genuine culture and religion
with special focus on eradicating traditional American
Christianity, what 'they' term Calvinism.
Standardization (ie franchise slumming)
and destruction of the traditional family unit.
Worship of technology, discreet promotion
of EUGENICS and INTER-nationalism all
under the management of 'experts'.
Photo-shop or delete ALLLL references,
much less exposes, of the ever unfolding
RED Chinese Halocaust.
AGAIN, take a good deep look.
NOW, take a good deep breath, hurl those
TVs and radios. If you can possibly do it,
get rid of or curtail you cellphone use.
Get those eavedropping and surveillance tool PCs out of your
private spaces.
Then catch your breath and start thinking:
HUAC meets NUREMBERG 2012
March on the Masonic, ultra-tich tax-free
EUGENICS driving and driven 'benny violent'
foundations AND the New York office of the
illegal Federal Reserve this July 4th.
I just stumbled upon your blog and wanted to say that I have
really enjoyed reading your posts. Any way I'll be subscribing to
your feed and I hope you post again soon..
Entered into evidence was a selection of animal strangulation
videos Coleman enjoyed watching. (I suppose the "Tootin' Bathtub
Baby Cousins" YouTube sensation just didn't do it for him
anymore.)
vb| 5.5.11 @ 7:15AM
A very dangerous lack of empathy is that displayed by many do-gooders, who really are unable to crawl inside the skins of psychopaths and sociopaths to see the evil. Like the young women who fall for and abet mass murderers in prison, these do-gooders attribute to themselves superior insight and morality and put us at risk to get an ego fix.
Mr ED| 5.5.11 @ 7:56AM
"Do-gooders" = Malignant narcissists = Modern Liberals.
No matter how you do the calculation, it always adds up the same.
Occam's Tool| 5.5.11 @ 11:12PM
You know, I have never met a psychopath in prison who was not also a malignant narcissist. I remember talking to a Correctional Officer captain, who shared the same experience.
LMajito| 5.5.11 @ 7:26AM
it is so dangerous for humans, specially in the us, to begin thinking that because "we're doing The Lord's work" God's mandates do not apply to them.
The list is endless of characters that have fallen away believing they were doing God's work...let's begin with Saul of Tarsus (later most commonly known as apostle Paul)...
But if one takes a reading of the scriptures one of the items that will surface in the latter stages of the current human experience in this planet is going to be calling evil good and good evil...
this coleman character is proof that in his mind doing The Lord's work with Meyer was more important and thus killing his wife/children was ok.
crazy the deed doer and more so the excuser/enabler of this actions...
which brings to mind the scene at the garden, as described by Moses' first book...God confronts man about his disobedience, he blames Eve (and God himself for giving her to him...implication being if you had not made her i would never disobeyed you), then Eve, taking a clue from her mentor blamed the snake...God picking up on this stopped there and began to discharge judgements starting with the lower creature and leaving the worst hit for the first dude...
Appleby| 5.5.11 @ 7:29AM
I had a cousin who was a sociopath, and my college roommate had a son who was one. They are not like the rest of us. There is a piece very obviously missing.
Being Catholic and religious, and human, I am quite aware of evil and its influence, and I think a large percentage of the current rise in evil is due to the detachment of individuals from actual human contact. When one knows other people only through the medium of a screen between the thumbs or a laptop or iPad or *device* of some kind, it becomes increasingly difficult to imagine that these are people like oneself. Cyberbullying is easy because its just typing; there is no physical contact and no need to see the effect of what one does. During the last election campaign here in Toronto, one neighbourhood suffered vandalism including the cutting of brake lines on their cars, because of their yard signs. The vandals didnt have to think about people being killed in those cars. They never had to see those people and would be back in the basement playing World of Warcraft when the mother driving her kids to school couldnt stop at a red light and the car was crushed by a fire truck.
As the world becomes more and more detached from human interaction, no one should be surprised that criminality and evil increase. Perhaps the solution will be to deprive them of their binkies and toss them into the general prison population.
Frisbee| 5.5.11 @ 8:54PM
I heard that the genesis of some of these problems was covered in a book by Dr Stanton Samenow, "Before It's Too Late".
The crazy thing about the denial of evil is the obvious protest "if it's not evil, then why try to prevent it?"
A lack of conscience is a very serious evil, whatever its origins. A lack of empathy is just one type. A masochist would have empathy as long as he also performed sadism.
Richard Baker| 5.5.11 @ 7:37AM
Sounds like yet another "academic" who has waaay too much time on his hands.
NHLibertarian| 5.5.11 @ 7:38AM
Hmmmm! Sacha Baron-Cohen, Simon Baron-Cohen - is their a similarity here? Has Sacha (of Borat-fame) put one over on Mr. Orlet and the Intellectoids? Sure sounds like something Barat's feeble-mind might cook up! And, something devotees of the New York Times would eat up. Next we'll have interview with the 'distinguished' author Barat dressed in an tutu and conducted by the world-class journalist Ms. Katy Couric.
Doctor Right| 5.5.11 @ 7:47AM
Is this guy related to Borat??
the permanent newbie| 5.5.11 @ 3:05PM
As a matter of fact, yes. If I remember correctly, he's Sacha Baron Cohen's older brother.
Ryan| 5.5.11 @ 8:12AM
"There is none righteous, not even one..."
A point can be made here about the different views on human nature. The Christian perspective is that we are sinners from the start, that we a born in rebellion against God and need His saving hand to rescue us from our sin.
The other side states that we are good at birth, and society corrupts us somehow.
The result is what you see above of the latter.
Jacobite| 5.5.11 @ 1:39PM
The 'environmental' theory is basic to all Leftism. That their destruction of all existing morals and culture will produce "the new socialist man" is the justification for their actions. It's called Lysenko-ism. The more we find out that Human Nature exists, is innate, and is unalterable, the more pretzels Leftists have to twist into to maintain their enviro delusion.
skip| 5.5.11 @ 5:46PM
Great, so liberalism is 'intelligence and honesty deficiency', they're just born that way. Conservatives need to get off their backs about it, the real problem is that conservatism is 'empathy of 'intelligence and honesty deficiency' deficiency'.
Big Tony| 5.5.11 @ 8:40AM
Sorry Chris but is was Georgia Governor Zell Miller who claimed that Bill Clinton was the only candidate who could "feel our pain" and not a claim made by Slick Willie himself.
Renaissance Nerd| 5.5.11 @ 6:36PM
Miller was only mocking Clinton's statement at a town hall meeting. Many jounOlists took it up as a great sign in Clinton's favor, but it was the exact moment I decided against Clinton. "I feel your pain." Ugh. I didn't watch the rest of the town hall and I never could stand listening to him after that.
Denver Todd| 5.5.11 @ 8:43AM
In the entire time since 9/11, I have heard the cause of this to be connected to evil only just a few times. It is hard for the media to affirm the existence of evil because it naturally leads to the existence of God.
C. S. P. Schofield| 5.5.11 @ 8:50AM
Evil has always been treatable, it's just that the corrects treatment is terminal.
Maddox| 5.5.11 @ 8:55AM
Baron-Cohen is suffering from a disease himself, the disease of "liberalism" which is only treatable with a stark dose of reality. Unfortunately, the rest of us have to suffer from the reality of its damage for a few liberally infected individuals to realize they need help.
Frisbee| 5.5.11 @ 8:56PM
Bingo!
JP| 5.5.11 @ 8:58AM
But if Cohen is correct about Good-Evil, one may then ask, "Why is empathy at all desirable?" Once you enter the world of subjectivity all bets are off. Nature used to be the standard that philosphers judged things. If Values have indeed replaced Good and Evil, who says Coleman's values are any worse off than Cohen's.
We've entered the Nietzschean world where the Last Man rules. It is a world where Evil has been replaced with therapeutic protocols. With a little gene therapy and a lot of meds, we can cure about anything. But, we will no longer be human.
Frisbee| 5.5.11 @ 8:57PM
Very well said. But I disagree with the very last sentence. We would still be human, but evil humans.
Occam's Tool| 5.5.11 @ 10:55PM
JP,
reputable psychiatrists do not attempt to cure psychopathy. There are no medications for it, or psychotherapy that works.
Bill| 5.5.11 @ 9:36AM
I hope that any judge who is offered a chance to hear the "diminished empathy" argument offered as some sort of insanity or diminished capacity defense to criminal behavior will respond to it by holding that the entire criminal justice system was designed to determine just who among us suffers from this defect and punish the daylights out of them.
mejamom| 5.5.11 @ 10:11AM
Religion aside, I always believed people who could do murder or even harm others with a shoulder shrug were obviously mentally ill to some degree.
Hospitals, drugs,other therapy; fine. IF and when they are cured, which means they understand what they have done is wrong, they can continue on to the next step of their rehabilitation; prison.
Not a perfect system, there is cost to consider. But if we are religious Christians we want to follow scripture. And that teaches loving our neighbor, treating him well, forgiveness, etc.
Petronius| 5.5.11 @ 10:24AM
We went through this before with B. F. Skinner and determinism. Any person not predisposed to engagement in conflict, mayhem, bloodletting, or unwarranted interference, displays natural empathy towards his neighbors by being productive, discreet, minding his own business, and therefor, no burden to anyone. It's character deficiency stupid!
fmm| 5.5.11 @ 11:45AM
If genetics are responsible for antisocial behavior including murder, that is the best argument for the existence and application of strong death penalties. Think about it.
Occam's Tool| 5.5.11 @ 11:10PM
Fmm,
I theoretically support the death penalty. My problem is in the application of it, in many cases (OBL was guilty as sin, and deserved the bullet, no mistake...let's talk about the typical situation. RCV, you are not among those included in the following conversation's generalizations---obviously, you are welcome to comment).
I have worked with many judges and attorneys as an expert witness. The vast majority of them I would not trust to pour piss out of a boot; in addition, there are far too many of them with severely defective characters, particularly judges, who have more unchecked power than anyone else in our society.
I do not trust the system generally with that power, therefore. I have seen the sausage being made. However, I also don't believe in parole for murderers. That is how I live with myself.
One of the things I used to do was participate in discussions regarding recommending psychiatrically ill inmates as being acceptable for parole.
james wilson| 5.5.11 @ 12:37PM
The way to get more sociopathic behavior out of sociopaths is to grant them understanding. That is elementary. The Cambridge don is a borderline sociopathic intellectualoid who clearly lacks empathy for victims.
Occam's Tool| 5.5.11 @ 10:52PM
Indded, James Wilson. Sociopaths use your empathy to manipulate YOU.
The idea that there is a treatment for sociopathy is ludicrous given the state of our knowledge at this time. I speak as a former prison psychiatrist.
Occam's Tool| 5.5.11 @ 10:54PM
Again. The central deficit in psychopaths, the central core of the diagnosis, is LACK OF EMPATHY. And there's NO way to give it to them or develop it.
It's like trying to teach a shark not to eat fish.
edwin rutsch| 5.5.11 @ 1:00PM
May I suggest a further resources to learn more about empathy and compassion.
The Center for Building a Culture of Empathy
The Culture of Empathy website is the largest internet portal for resources and information about the values of empathy and compassion. It contains articles, conferences, definitions, experts, history, interviews, videos, science and much more about empathy and compassion.
http://CultureOfEmpathy.com
Also, we invite you to post a link to your article about empathy to our Empathy Center Facebook page.
http://Facebook.com/EmpathyCenter
Wayne | 5.5.11 @ 1:13PM
I suggest that you watch Clockwork Orange.
Purple Lips| 5.5.11 @ 1:35PM
Wow. Empathy in 212 Easy Steps. And for $19.99 they will throw in a free subscription to AOL.
Wayne | 5.5.11 @ 1:10PM
What I have found is that people who preach empathy, seem to have precious little of it. For example Obama has no empathy for citizens who oppose his plans. He does not understand people who do not think like him, nor does he seem to care.
I would bet that this Simon character also lacks empathy. That is why he wants to impose his will on all of us. Our feelings do not matter.
Francis W. Porretto| 5.5.11 @ 2:24PM
Sigh. It seems to be the hardest of all things for an "intellectual" to accept that there are people who do evil because they actively and consciously desire the deaths and downfalls of others.
Not every great villain is an emotionally stunted individual. Hitler was not just "working though some issues." Some villains do their villainies because they enjoy them, and for no other reason.
Occam's Tool| 5.5.11 @ 11:03PM
Dear Francis:
Hitler was a very emotionally stunted individual. Review his relations with women.
Look, most psychopaths can separate good from evil. But they have a defect of understanding---a lack of empathy. This does not mean that they are not evil, reprehensible swine who must be punished. Indeed, it is the external correction which IS necessary because there is NO internal governor.
Or, as the song "Rawhide" put it so well:
"Don't try to understand them, just rope them up and brand them..."
At our current level of knowledge we have no cure or adequate consistent treatment for Anti-social Personality Disorder.
MarkinIdaho| 5.5.11 @ 3:18PM
Baron-Cohen forgot the most important factor in lack of empathy - that of choice. A person chooses to be empathetic or not. The choice determines actions and attitudes, which lead to more choices about empathy. A person can choose to become evil; it is a bargain for power. Choosing to be good is much more difficult, it requires the death of one's self and redemption by a Savior.
believer| 5.5.11 @ 6:36PM
Those who dont believe in the God of the Bible have to come up with another reason why theres so much wickedness in the world, Gods plan is to repent, mans plan is to explain away evil with stupid ideas.Go into the ghetto at night and preach empathy and then be prepared to run for your life.
Osamas Pajamas| 5.5.11 @ 9:18PM
Those who attack the concepts of good, evil, and morality have an axe to grind --- they're evil and they don't like being called-out for being evil.
Occam's Tool| 5.5.11 @ 10:58PM
Mr Orlet, you are incorrect on one point. Mr Bin Laden's failure to empathise with infidels is what allowed his psychopathy, not an abundance of twisted empathy. I have worked with thousands of psychopaths.
jbspry| 5.6.11 @ 7:31PM
"Evil" is a word and, as with all words, it means different things to different people. I myself am an atheist and so the word doesn't carry the connotation of "Satan-inspired" that it might for a godly person. Still I don't reject the word as meaningless.
Those who perpetrate cruel acts for pleasure have a positive illness that causes them to derive positive pleasure from inflicting pain on others and watching their agonies. You could engage in facile semantics and call it "empathy deficiency"; I would reply that empathy is "other-feeling" and cruelty is empathy but of a diseased kind - that it is evil.
Dee See| 5.8.11 @ 12:52AM
ALLL of it, from Jim and Tammy to 'Star Trek',
to Gloria Steinem and POP, and Billy Graham,
and Phil, and Joel Osteen and Oprah,
and pornography -------we mean ALLLLL of it
has now been revealed to be capstone funded,
engineered, set-up and promoted.
The aims?
Discrediting genuine culture and religion
with special focus on eradicating traditional American
Christianity, what 'they' term Calvinism.
Standardization (ie franchise slumming)
and destruction of the traditional family unit.
Worship of technology, discreet promotion
of EUGENICS and INTER-nationalism all
under the management of 'experts'.
Photo-shop or delete ALLLL references,
much less exposes, of the ever unfolding
RED Chinese Halocaust.
AGAIN, take a good deep look.
NOW, take a good deep breath, hurl those
TVs and radios. If you can possibly do it,
get rid of or curtail you cellphone use.
Get those eavedropping and surveillance tool PCs out of your private spaces.
Then catch your breath and start thinking:
HUAC meets NUREMBERG 2012
March on the Masonic, ultra-tich tax-free
EUGENICS driving and driven 'benny violent'
foundations AND the New York office of the
illegal Federal Reserve this July 4th.
SPREAD THE WORD ---------------------FAST
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Christian Louboutin| 6.23.11 @ 5:59AM
Entered into evidence was a selection of animal strangulation videos Coleman enjoyed watching. (I suppose the "Tootin' Bathtub Baby Cousins" YouTube sensation just didn't do it for him anymore.)