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Firing Into a Continent

Humanitarian intervention in Libya — “an appalling fatuity,” to borrow words from Joseph Conrad.

In the spring of 1890, the West African kingdom of Dahomey and the French Third Republic were on the brink of war, primarily over the status of the flourishing port city of Cotonou. Tensions had been mounting for years, with French colonial inroads meeting staunch local opposition. “Absolutely no one,” a diplomatic dispatch from the Dahomean capital of Abomey read, “not even the King of Dahomey, ever gives their possessions to any other nation.” It was a classic exposition of the traditional international legal norms of sovereignty and non-interference, but in the context of the Course au Clocher, the French version of the Scramble for Africa, such appeals were inevitably given the shortest of shrift.

As hostilities loomed, newspapers in France ran lurid accounts of the Dahomean royal house’s predilection for human sacrifice. Readers of the March 15, 1890 edition of the prominent hebdomadaire L’Illustration were horrified to discover that “executions and massacres are amongst the political institutions most faithfully maintained in Dahomey,” while a week later the L’Universel Illustré marveled at the sheer “multitude of victims” of those grisly practices. The Journal des Voyages et des Aventures de Terre et de Mer was less dispassionate still, declaring that “the institution of human sacrifice in Dahomey is one of the most horrible pages in the history of humanity.”

In light of such compelling evidence, France, “faithful to its tradition of generosity and human fraternity” (as Ernest Roume later proclaimed), began to view Dahomey as a worthy object of its global mission civilisatrice. When Dahomean warriors preemptively marched on the contested state of Porto-Novo, devastating the villages of Dano and Ida and advancing within ten kilometers of Bedji and Vakon, the French intervention began. On April 4, 1890, the French navy began a blockade of the Bight of Benin “with a view,” as The Times of London observed eight days later, “to prevent the importation of arms and munitions of war into the Kingdom of Dahomey.” Battle was joined, and the first of a brace of Franco-Dahomean wars was underway, wars that stemmed from strategic and humanitarian considerations on one side and from desperate attempts at self-preservation on the other, wars that would only end with the overthrow of King Behanzin and the succession of the more pliable Agoli-agbo.

ON A JUNE DAY in 1890, the French 2,688-ton steamer S.S. Ville de Maceio was making its way along the coast of the Bight of Benin, near Grand Popo, when it passed the French naval cruiser Seignelay lobbing shells towards the shoreline. On board the Ville de Maceio was the Polish émigré Józef Teodor Konrad Korzeniowski, better known to posterity as the novelist Joseph Conrad. Incorporating his observations of the Seignelay’s bombardment of the coast of Dahomey in his 1899 novella Heart of Darkness, Conrad described a “man-of-war anchored off the coast,” near a place in which there “wasn’t even a shed there, and she was shelling the bush.” It was abundantly clear to Conrad, and to his fictional counterpart Charles Marlow, that “the French had one of their wars going on thereabouts.” There, along the Bight, in “the empty immensity of earth, sky, and water, there she was, incomprehensible, firing into a continent.” The cannons roared, but “nothing happened,” indeed “nothing could happen.” A “touch of insanity” could be found in the proceeding, notwithstanding assurances from another bystander that “there was a camp of natives — he called them enemies! — hidden out of sight somewhere.”

Like a number of Conrad’s experiences during his days in Africa, including the “objectless blasting” of a cliff not actually in the way of a Belgian railroad project, the Seignelay incident was presented as indicative of the “flabby, pretending, weak-eyed devil of a rapacious and pitiless folly” inherent in the colonial enterprise. The image of a modern state wantonly firing shells into the African bush, more as a matter of convenience than anything else (albeit ostensibly as part of an overall project of humanitarian intervention), proved to be a haunting one. It was this very passage that led Robert Bontine Cunninghame Graham to invite Conrad to a March 8, 1900 meeting of pacifists under the auspices of the Social Democratic Federation, an invitation Conrad immediately turned down, revolted as he was by the “phantom” of idealism. Nevertheless, to Conrad’s mind there was “an appalling fatuity in this business” of intervention, so much so that “c’est à crever de rire [it is enough to make one die laughing],” sentiments he forthrightly expressed in his written response to Cunninghame Graham’s proposal.

Conrad’s anti-imperialist attitudes, as evidenced by his cursory observations on the Franco-Dahomean conflict, or later on the dark forces at work in the Belgian Congo, grew in no small part out of his own Polish nationalism; Conrad himself, as Hunt Hawkins has noted, “belonged to a conquered people.” Though he heeded the words of his father, Apollo Korzeniowski, who wrote in his diary that the “history of mankind is a history of the struggle between barbarism and civilization,” Conrad recognized the difficulty that can arise in separating the two, particularly when “the barbarian and the, so-called, civilized man meet upon the same ground.” In doing so, he in turn pinpointed some of the dilemmas presented by the impulse towards humanitarian intervention. Those setting out on a civilizing mission may feel that “we can exert a power for good practically unbounded,” as Conrad’s literary creation Kurtz initially thought, yet no polity, regardless of the level of its development, has such a limitless capacity. And even if a worthy cause célèbre could be determined (perhaps those menaced by the allegedly anthropophagic Dahomean royal family), many or most others were invariably left to devices seldom even their own.

Conrad thus portrayed this species of humanitarian intervention as either a cynical exercise of national interest or a matter of convenience in which “firing into a continent” would be accompanied by little more than the nagging sense that “nothing happened” when the shells landed in the bush. Possibly “nothing could happen.” As recent events in Africa have made abundantly clear, the specters of feckless, half-hearted outside intervention and of “pitiless folly” in the “immensity” of Africa remain as compelling in 2011 as they were a dozen decades ago.

TODAY, HUMANITARIAN INTERVENTIONS in Africa and elsewhere are accompanied not by the language of the mission civilisatrice, but rather by the notion of a “responsibility to protect” civilians. The phrase “responsibility to protect” itself first came to international prominence only fairly recently, having been the subject of an influential 2001 report prepared by the International Commission on Intervention and State Sovereignty. The humanitarian sentiments that, from time immemorial, have prompted outside actors to intervene in unstable situations was therein presented as having evolved to such an extent that, as Tanzania’s Salim Ahmed Salim put it in 1998, “we should talk about the need for accountability of governments and of their national and international responsibilities. In the process, we shall be redefining sovereignty.” Nelson Mandela declared that very same year that “Africa has a right and a duty to intervene to root out tyranny…we must all accept that we cannot abuse the concept of national sovereignty to deny the rest of the continent the right and duty to intervene when behind those sovereign boundaries, people are being slaughtered to protect tyranny.”

Such ideas are hardly novel, of course. The Hague Convention of 1899, drafted the same year that Conrad’s Heart of Darkness first appeared, contained language referring to the need to enforce the “laws of humanity, and the requirements of the public conscience,” while the duties to “prevent and punish” crimes against humanity, war crimes, and genocide have been enshrined in the 1948 Genocide Convention and thereby afforded the status of jus cogens (a peremptory norm of international law). Yet the recommendations of the International Commission on Intervention and State Sovereignty did constitute a significant step in a new direction. By proffering that “[w]here a population is suffering serious harm, as a result of internal war, insurgency, repression or state failure, and the state in question is unwilling or unable to halt or avert it, the principle of non-intervention yields to the international responsibility to protect,” the Commission was proposing a paradigm shift in international relations. The traditional sovereign norms embodied, for instance, by the Abomey dispatch of 1890 were steadily being undermined.

The breadth of this doctrine is wide indeed, and the more idealistic of its proponents have been prone to push its limits to implausible extents. Academics like Jeremy Sarkin have maintained that the implication of the burgeoning “responsibility to protect” is that the “onus to prevent and react should also be placed on those states that have important relationships with violator states. These states, for example China with respect to Sudan, Zimbabwe and others, have significant economic and military relationships. They are in influential positions to affect the conduct of these rogue states. Where these states fail to use their influence they are also failing their obligations.” One can hardly imagine the Chinese government being held in violation of international law for failing to launch a humanitarian intervention against the powers that be in Khartoum or Harare. Going even farther than Sarkin, Samantha Power, a human rights scholar and presently the Senior Director of Multilateral Affairs for the United States National Security Council, notoriously argued in 2003 that the situation in Palestine was such that “both political leaders [Yasser Arafat and Ariel Sharon] have been dreadfully irresponsible. And, unfortunately, it does require external intervention.” The very idea of such an “external intervention,” an “imposition of a solution on unwilling parties” involving “a meaningful military presence,” could only exist in the abstract, and indeed Power was obliged to repudiate her comments in 2008. Despite the obvious pitfalls and practical difficulties inherent in the expansion of notions of humanitarian intervention, however, the responsibility to prevent atrocities, protect civilians, and react to human rights crimes is increasingly felt in the international community, as evidenced by recent events in the Maghreb.

THE ONGOING MULTINATIONAL intervention against Muammar Gaddafi and his Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, enabled by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, has been expressly predicated on the idea of a responsibility to protect Libyan civilians, and as such represents a useful test case for the nascent doctrine. The March 17, 2011 resolution refers to “the responsibility of the Libyan authorities to protect the Libyan population,” the determination of the international community to “ensure the protection of civilians and civilian populated areas and the rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian assistance and the safety of humanitarian personnel,” and the authorization of member states to “take all necessary measures… to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory.” On its face, this is a humanitarian intervention based almost entirely on the principles set forth by Salim, Mandela, Sarkin, Power, and the International Commission on Intervention and State Sovereignty. Barack Obama, David Cameron, and Nicolas Sarkozy, in their recent op-ed “Libya’s Pathway to Peace,” drove the point home by basking in the “unprecedented international legal mandate” that produced the intervention.

It has, as it turns out, been a decidedly limited intervention, the chief elements of which have been the enforcement of a no-fly zone and an arms embargo, the application of asset freezes, and military action to protect civilians but with the express exclusion of “a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory.” It is essentially an arm’s length intervention, an act of “firing into the continent” and hoping for an improvement in the situation. The Libyan rebels — described by Patrick Cockburn as “a rabble even by the lowly standards of militias in Lebanon, Iraq and Afghanistan” — now have a de facto air force courtesy of NATO and Qatar, but little else. Thanks to the air campaign, Benghazi was spared the carnage and blood-letting promised by Gaddafi, but other cities, including Ajdabiya and Misurata, are still imperiled as fighting goes on unchecked. Christopher Hitchens has complained that what is “utterly lacking in Libya, still, is an entrance strategy,” but the intervention has been expressly designed to avoid any considerable imprint on the ground.

Whether this “time-limited, scope-limited” approach is appropriate under the circumstances, whether it is “shameful,” as Hitchens insists, or whether it instead constitutes something more like Conrad’s “flabby, pretending, weak-eyed devil,” remains a matter of much debate in the international community. What is certain is that the diffident campaign has satisfied very few. Opponents of the intervention have voiced suspicions about the sinister prior affiliations of various rebel leaders (Abdul Hakeen al-Hassadi, for instance, who was last seen fighting NATO forces in Afghanistan), or the harsh treatment of African migrant workers by rebel sympathizers. Proponents see the campaign as weak-kneed or feckless, and participants in the rebellion readily acknowledge that they would benefit from more proactive international efforts. This acid test for international efforts, based as it on the perceived responsibility to protect civilians in Libya, as opposed to efforts made in the steely interests of national or international security, has proven to be anything but straightforward or entirely satisfactory.

THE ONGOING LIBYAN intervention is hardly the first external humanitarian operation to take place in the “immensity of earth, sky, and water” that is the African continent. In 2008, to take one prominent example, the African Union organized an intervention in the Comoros, Operation Democracy, which included amphibious assaults by forces from Tanzania, Senegal, and Sudan, and, interestingly enough, featured logistical support from both Libya and France. More recent actions by the United Nations Operation in Côte d’Ivoire and France’s Operation Licorne in the context of the Second Ivorian Civil War, undertaken “in self-defense and to protect civilians” according to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, provide further evidence of the shift from “non-interference to non-indifference” with respect to human security in Africa. Despite this change in attitude, however, the Libyan intervention has proven to be unexpectedly problematic. Whereas it was once the dictator Gaddafi whose foreign policy was defined by “adventurism” — the “ill-considered or rash adoption of expedients in the absence or in defiance of consistent plans or principles,” as René Lemarchand put it — it is now the aerial Libyan intervention that is increasingly being viewed as an act of human rights adventurism, undertaken more in hope than expectation of concrete results on the ground. All this is addition to the obvious fact that sheer convenience has played a large role, with human rights catastrophes in Sudan, Zimbabwe, and elsewhere evidently proving less attractive from the standpoint of relatively low-cost, low-imprint interventions.

Such an operation runs the risk of constituting something akin to a twenty-first century variant on the Seignelay incident Conrad witnessed in 1890. The motives of the Libyan operation, unsullied as they are by imperial ambitions, are undoubtedly more humanitarian than those of the French Third Republic in its intervention in Dahomey, but the means are not at all dissimilar. The hesitant nature of the ongoing campaign, with its “firing into a continent” without directly addressing the root causes of the conflict, seems all too familiar. At the same time, the differences between the two scenarios are equally instructive. This decidedly post-modern military operation, with its emphasis on humanitarian sentiments rather than harsh geopolitical realities, has only served to widen cracks in the Atlantic alliance, and has led one German diplomat to opine that a common European defense policy “died in Libya — we just have to pick a sand dune under which we can bury it.” The squabbling and uncertainty that have attended this intervention, along with its paucity of results after week after week of bombings, indicates a growing lack of confidence amongst the former guarantors of international security.

Whereas Czesław Miłosz described his fellow Pole’s Heart of Darkness, as “a Cassandra cry announcing the end of Victorian Europe, on the verge of transforming itself into the Europe of violence,” the modern events that evoke the Victorian-era prose masterpiece suggest something rather different. The “touch of insanity” in the present proceedings is not that of sanguinary geopolitical ambitions, but that of a civilization seemingly unsure of the legitimacy of its actions and therefore inclined to hedge its bets. As Jeremy Sarkin has correctly pointed out, a shift from “non-interference to non-indifference” can “still mean unresponsiveness and inaction,” and even responsiveness and action may not be of the efficacious variety. The civil war in Libya has exposed the dilemmas created by that relatively new entry into the international relations lexicon — the duty to protect civilians — and in the process has exposed many of the deficiencies of the current international system. As enormities continue to be perpetrated on the ground in Libya, it is up to those leaders who have masterminded the operation to find a way to accomplish their original goals while ultimately saving face. It will be almost impossible to do so under the rules laid out under Resolution 1973. No doubt, as Joseph Conrad could have foreseen, something more than “objectless blasting” will be required.

About the Author

Matthew Omolesky specialized in European affairs at the Whitehead School of Diplomacy’s graduate program, and received his juris doctor from The Ohio State University’s Moritz College of Law. Formerly a researcher-in-residence at the Institut za Civilizacijo in Kulturo (Ljubljana), he is presently a researcher for the Laboratoire Europeen d’Anticipation Politique (Paris) and a specialist in international human rights law.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (54) |

charles794| 5.2.11 @ 6:50AM

I wonder if in the Charter of the UN is such a thing as Definition of a Dictator. Having it would provide grounds for much earlier - and subtler - interventions from within & without, the country where such unsavory and ultimately un-dislodgeable creature is emerging.

Alan Brooks| 5.2.11 @ 11:15AM

Gaddhafi did say "no mercy". So to hell with Gaddhafi and his whole goddamn family-- they are the real rats, cockroaches and drug-fueled mice.

Ed in North Texas| 5.2.11 @ 12:11PM

Well, at least our media has reported that Gaddhafi reportedly said "No Mercy" without some sort of context as to whether that was no mercy for those in active rebellion, or no mercy for anyone in the country. I suspect that our very own Dear Leader would take a position of "no mercy" for anyone actively participating in an armed rebellion against the US government.

Alan Brooks| 5.2.11 @ 11:49PM

It's all talk, you have your possessions, your wives & mistresses- you wont risk yourselves as the poorer Confederates did.
You are venting, Ed; the far-right today is merely venting their frustration-- nothing more. As a McVeighs with no bombs to build. In fact today oit is a cottage industry with guys such as Tex writing books.
Writing a lucrative book sure beats fighting on a battlefield!

Michael Tomlinson| 5.2.11 @ 6:51AM

How funny anit-imperialist Obama has become a brutal mercenary imperialist for Europe.

Occam's Tool| 5.2.11 @ 7:42PM

I wish there was some degree of coherence in anything Obama did, Domestic or Foreign, Michael. Have you noted this at any time, sir?

Michael Tomlinson| 5.3.11 @ 12:40AM

I would say in his antipathy to the US, the US military and American exceptionalism.

Dee See| 5.2.11 @ 8:37AM

"We are using MASSIVE third world
(largely muslim) immigration to destroy
British culture once and for all forever."
-TONY BLAIR

"The US has one final task before its
own collapse is finished off and RED
China's brought in as model and 'world
enforcer' ---and that's to 'bring in'
(ie franchise slum, EUGENICS)
the recalcitrant Middle East."
-ALAN WATT
(awesome coverage online)

AS the greatest 'EUGENICS friendly' world nuclear disaster of ALL time is covered up
in the globalist corporate 'press'-----

What about our situation DON'T we understand?

Alan Brooks| 5.2.11 @ 11:18AM

Dee See, if I am crazy, you are certifiably insane, really insane. Only Daphne Kenward could match you for conspiracy theory-nuttiness.

Dixie Pixie| 5.2.11 @ 7:54PM

What ever happened to Daphne?
Her wackiness was so offtrack it was funny!

JimH| 5.2.11 @ 9:03AM

Based on the carpet bombing of the jungle, only the makers of Apocalypse Now were familiar with Conrad during Nam. The horror, the horror.

Dee See| 5.2.11 @ 9:37AM

"Before America's own collapse is finished
---and RED China's brought in as model
and 'world enforcer''

Meanwhile, the trifling matter of our 4 decades
of Globalist RED China sellout is NEVER even
mentioned ---the 'star' traitors never exposed,
much less confronted.

REALLY KIDS ----------throw out the TV and
radio, get the surveillance tool PC's out of
your private space, and rip out those
new eavedropping RED China engineered
light fixtures.

Get out of the franchise slum.

Start your own PRIVATE coffee club.

Keep it small, honest, genuine.

Nunya| 5.2.11 @ 12:10PM

Do you wear a tin-foil hat?

RCV| 5.2.11 @ 2:14PM

:D

vtwin| 5.2.11 @ 10:19AM

Wow, within hours of viewing the massive destruction and genuinely grieving with the victims of the tornados in Alabama President Obama delivers a spot on comedic performance at the annual White House Correspondents' Dinner and all the well the President’s mind must have been occupied with our brave warriors as the final perpetrations were being made for a secret mission deep inside Pakistan. Friends, our President has put in place a national security team that, from pirates in the Indian Ocean, to the evacuation of American Civilians from Libya, to bringing American Justice to a mass murderer, has performed flawlessly. I’m starting to think the brithers are right President Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii but on the planet Krypton.

Wayne | 5.2.11 @ 11:08AM

Pirates still rule in Somalia, and El-Queda still is bent on destroying us. Nothing has changed except the Left is shown praising death and killing. The left has always killed in the end. Lenin and Stalin killed some 50 million Russians and Mao some 40 million Chinese and Pol Pot killed millions in Cambodia. You are doing no more than showing your true colors with this insane praise of a tyrant you support.

Sid Vicious| 5.2.11 @ 2:38PM

"The planet Krypton?" Oh, puh–leeze take off those kneepads, will you?

Occam's Tool| 5.2.11 @ 7:43PM

Yes, vtwin. Unfortunately, someone's putting Kryptonite in his diet.

albert constantine, jr.| 5.2.11 @ 9:55PM

I expect that perhaps, too, as is reported regarding his fellow native of Krypton, that he too might soon appear before the U.N. to renounce his U.S citizenship. After all, didn't he declare himself a citizen of the world before the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin in 2008.

Kevin Dunn| 5.2.11 @ 11:05AM

Dee See, What is the source of the Tony
Blair quotation, please?

Occam's Tool| 5.2.11 @ 7:55PM

Dear Kevin,

that quote seems to be from an interview with a fellow named Alan Watts. No way to verify that, though.

However, here's an interesting article that has Blair admitting to some pooch screwing over immigration:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....enge.html.

From the Daily Mail.

Occam's Tool| 5.2.11 @ 7:57PM

Sorry, just go into Daily Mail and search on Tony Blair and change of tune on immigration.

Peter McGrath| 5.2.11 @ 11:39AM

You've got to give the POTUS some props on this one. He could've simply ordered the dropping of 2,000 pound hammer bombs on the compound which surely would have killed everyone on site. Instead, he ordered a well-trained tactical team to do the dirty work. My God, I hate to say, but Nice Job, Mr. President!

CharlieEcho| 5.2.11 @ 6:55PM

We can't afford the bomb and we need DNA, simple as that. Obama would have gone himself, but who would have roasted Trump?

Steve A| 5.2.11 @ 11:58AM

You can say what you want about Obama but the facts are this: He did not bail on Iraq. He has ramped up Afghanistan. He has killed Bin Laden. He did not close GITMO. All in all, you have to give the guy some credit here. He clearly wants to defeat the enemies of America.

RCV| 5.2.11 @ 1:48PM

Steve - My admiration for you continues. You're not one of the crazies who would rather see America damaged as long as Obama is hurt in the process. It's a good day for all Americans.

Steve A| 5.2.11 @ 2:08PM

Thanks RCV. Agree. We can disagree on politics all day long & the reason we can voice those disputes without fear of arrest, persecution etc is because we understand who the real bad guys are & are willing to go get them.

If I saw Obama today I would shake his hand & tell him well done. (then I would lecture him on all of the things he is doing wrong, preferably over a beer summit! :)

vtwin| 5.2.11 @ 2:36PM

I’ll second that. Steve A is passionate about his politics but not at the expense of the obvious; )

SpiralArchitect| 5.2.11 @ 12:08PM

Oh crap Captain, we just accidentally dropped the body overboard (OBL's)...

What a hoot - and if you believe that one...

Steve A| 5.2.11 @ 2:26PM

Spiral, You bury him in the ground, you make a shrine for the wackos. You dump him in the gulf & let the crabs go to work. Good call by us.

Alky| 5.2.11 @ 2:32PM

When you dump him in the Gulf, you guarantee that no one will exhume the fraud that is being played out here!

vtwin| 5.2.11 @ 2:56PM

Yes, Lee Harvey Oswald didn’t act alone, 9-11 was ordered by Bush, and Clinton had sex with “that woman.”

Ok, I’ll grant you the last one!

Steve A| 5.2.11 @ 3:24PM

I suppose if it is a fraud all he has to do is make a tape & expose it, duh..........

RCV| 5.2.11 @ 4:36PM

His body is actually being kept with those from Roswell....

Occam's Tool| 5.2.11 @ 7:59PM

My congrats to Obama on this one. However, I still think the fellow is half-hearted, Steve A.

Quartermaster| 5.2.11 @ 8:51PM

At Area 51. I saw that same documentary.

Ed in North Texas| 5.2.11 @ 12:19PM

One Point - this "firing into the continent" has not been without victims. In the NATO (and we are included as the primary sponsor of NATO) efforts to take out "only military targets" and "military command and control targets", Gaddhafi's youngest son and his family are targeted (and killed) in a rocket attack on their residence in a residential neighborhood. Good thing we only attack military targets and are protecting civilians in Libya. I guess in NATO's worldview any relative of Gaddhafi is a valid military target, no matter how young or old. Let's hope this doesn't come back to haunt the leaders of various NATO countries. Of course assassinating such persons would be a war crime, but NATO doing so is a valid military action.

CharlieEcho| 5.2.11 @ 6:59PM

Ah,yes; but it was reviled that the son and his family were occupying a command and control center. In the desert. Where the bombs fell. No innocents were targeted nor were there any injured. Or so I've heard.

SpiralArchitect| 5.2.11 @ 12:28PM

The son, younger, of the Lybian thug was the heir aparent. It is hard to believe he was not near big daddy anyway.

ABNCP| 5.2.11 @ 1:03PM

Steve A. Give us a break. You say:
1. He did not bail on Iraq.
Obama could not possibly have bailed on Iraq even though his base badly wanted him to.
2. He ramped up Afghanistan.
After his blather in the Senate about Afghanistan being the war we should have been involved in, not Iraq, what do you think he could have done?
3. He did not close Gitmo.
How many times during his Presidential campaign did he rant about how he was going to close Gitmo? Then after he was elected he again tried to close it down before he realized that was never going to fly with the American public.
4. He has killed Bin Laden.
He didn't kill OBL, A NAVY SEAL TEAM DID!
He must have given the approval for the mission to take place. After all the mission planning that went on over months what else could he do?
The only thing this guy does well is give campaign
speechs. However, that does not seem to be working out so well for him anymore does it?

RCV| 5.2.11 @ 1:49PM

...whereas, here is Exhibit A for the opposite.

Occam's Tool| 5.2.11 @ 8:05PM

Hey, a little harsh RCV...anyhow, for a guy who supposedly realizes the value of words, he's a fairly non-inspirational C-in-C. Again, good job on this, though.

However, gas is going to be $5.50 a gallon by mid 2012 (Karnak predicted it here!), and when that happens O's butt is toast. Remember, y'all (UTMB grad, TCU grad, 7 years in 'Bama---I can say y'all whenever I wanna), as the last successful President said, "it's the economy, stupid." If unemployment is over 8 percent, food prices reflect gasoline's rise, and gas is over $5.00/ gallon on election day, his rear belongs to the Republicans.

Steve A| 5.2.11 @ 2:14PM

ABNCP. You are confusing campaign rhetoric with action. Sure, Obama slammed Bush, promised to close GITMO etc. etc, but when it came crunch time, look at what he has DONE.
Now, agree, the policy was put in place by Bush & The Special Ops Cartified Bad Asses deserve the credit, but Obama kept the force intact, in Afghanistan & gave the green light. He deserves a high five.

I will take a guy on his actions vs his speech anytime.

CharlieEcho| 5.2.11 @ 7:01PM

If Obama is going to blame Bush on past mistakes and policy, Bush should also receive credit for this Bin Laden action.

vtwin| 5.2.11 @ 2:45PM

Obama did more than just give “approval for the mission” he evaluated the intelligence, continually since late August, with a critical eye before committing the lives of American troops.  Something Bush FAILED to do with the so called WMD.

Sid Vicious| 5.2.11 @ 2:52PM

And you are this privy to the daily activities of the Commander in Chief... how, exactly? Might it have something to do with the aforementioned kneepads?

Steve A| 5.2.11 @ 3:28PM

vtwin, He still could have been wrong. War is not an exact science. Look up the long term soft interrogation of Saddam after capture & you will find that he intentionally misled the world intelligence community to believe he had WMD in order to bluff Iran. This clearly cost him.

It's not quite as simple as , "Bush lied, people died." Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Colin Powell did their homework, you can be sure, but when the guy wants you to believe he has the goods, it' s kinda tough to assume he is lying post 9/11.

Sid Vicious| 5.2.11 @ 2:49PM

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this "notion of a responsibility to protect civilians" awfully similar to the justification National Socialist Germany cited when it began interning large numbers of Jewish people in the camps during the late 1930s?

Dixie Pixie| 5.2.11 @ 3:00PM

Close...No Cookie...Sid

It was the takeover of the Czechoslovakia Sudetenland in the name of protecting the German nationalities by Hitler at Munich you may be thinking of.
And Yes, in both cases the reason claimed was an outright lie.

Dixie Pixie| 5.2.11 @ 2:51PM

In what way is the Libyan War an Humanitarian Mission.
It is well known the fastest way to stop the killing in a War is to end the War as soon as possible.
Obama's policies are deliberating prolonging the Libyan War thus disproving the claims that our reasons are "Humanitarian".

Dixie Pixie| 5.2.11 @ 3:29PM

I remember a time when the Democratic Party wanted to charge and convect President Nixon with War Crimes for the Cambodian Incursion during the Vietnam War.

Yet Obama has waged War on a legitimate, international recognized government on behalf of the most disorganized, inapt, incompetent and without popular support group of people of which we still know nothing.
This War is waged without a declaration of war from Congress nor formal notification or any legal base thus qualifying the War as illegal.

At the very least the Democratic Party owes Richard Nixon and the Republican Party a really massive apology.
Any bets the Democratic Party will not walk out on that debt.

ABNCP| 5.2.11 @ 3:46PM

Steve A. Let's see what has Obama done actually:
1. He didn't pull out of Iraq. (no done there)
2. He didn't close down Gitmo. (no done there)
3. He didn't pull out of Afghanistan. (no done there)
4. He DID give approval for a mission that had been the works for months, probably before he was elected. WOW. However I do give him credit for not canceling the mission like many of his fellow progressives would have done.

VITWIN: First of all, the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) does all the evaluations for all special operations missions, Not the President. Next the missions would have to be vetted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Not the President. Next the National Security Council would approve and they would brief the President and his staff with their recommendations. Finally, if the President concured with the above staffs he will say yea or nay. And yes, the buck stops with the President, but if all of the above tell him we can really get that SOB, what do you think he is going to say? vitwin, will there ever be a time, maybe in this century, when poor old George Bush won't be brought into any conversation by you progressives saying yeah, but he did something bad before we did?

Dee See| 5.3.11 @ 1:04AM

"We are using MASSIVE third world (ie muslim)immigration to destroy British culture once and for all forever."
-TONY BLAIR

SEE: ALAN WATT 'Great Britain's Deliberate
Annihilation' on Youtube for Blair citation.

ALSO CHECK OUT :Alan Watt 'A Bried Debriefing
of Reality'

THEN get back to us------------------------------------

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