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Advantage Obama

By Andrew Cline on 4.28.11 @ 6:10AM

Why he held his “Take that, Trump” press conference.

President Obama has been pestered by the birther issue since the 2008 Democratic primary. Why would he wait until yesterday to release his long-form birth certificate and put the issue to rest? Because until now it didn’t make political sense to do so.

Until this spring, birtherism was a political plus for Obama. Let’s face it, screaming for the president’s birth certificate — when there is no evidence he was born outside the country — doesn’t make someone look like the type of person you’d want to hire to walk your dog, much less run the country. By ignoring the question and sometimes laughing it away, Obama came off as cool and reasonable by contrast. His passivity itself was enough to portray birthers as fringe kooks who should not be taken seriously.

In July of 2009, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs called the conspiracy theory “made-up, fictional nonsense.” Then the big dismissal: “I almost hate to indulge in such an august setting as the White House.”

Less than two years later, the president thought the issue was important enough to indulge not only in the White House, but personally. It wasn’t the press secretary speaking from the podium yesterday, it was the president himself.

The change can’t be explained by the poll numbers. In the summer of 2009, polls were showing that 25 percent of Americans questioned Obama’s citizenship. Last week, a CBS News poll put the number at 25 percent. What changed the president’s mind, he said, was the media attention.

“But two weeks ago, when the Republican House had put forward a budget that will have huge consequences potentially to the country, and when I gave a speech about my budget and how I felt that we needed to invest in education and infrastructure and making sure that we had a strong safety net for our seniors even as we were closing the deficit, during that entire week, the dominant news story wasn’t about these huge, monumental choices that we’re gonna have to make as a nation, it was about my birth certificate.”

Funny thing about that anecdote. It isn’t true. The birth certificate was not the dominant story. When Washington reporters tweeted that point yesterday, it was suggested that maybe the issue was bigger on cable, and the White House pays too much attention to cable. Maybe. Or maybe the president didn’t want to admit that Donald Trump had gotten under his skin.

If releasing his birth certificate was made necessary because the media were distracted by the issue, and were thereby neglecting the important stories, then why in the world would he release it on the same day news broke of his decision to appoint Gen. David Petraeus as CIA director and Leon Panetta secretary of defense? Surely these are the kinds of substantive stories the media should spend their time covering instead of being distracted by the birth certificate. But with his press conference, the president guaranteed that no one would cover anything that day except the birther issue.

And of course it was a total coincidence that the president happened to hold the press conference at the exact same time Donald Trump was holding a nationally televised press conference in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, on the occasion of his first visit to the first-in-the-nation primary state since 1988.

I don’t buy it. This is a president who doesn’t so much decide to go to war as feel his way to it. He makes emotional decisions. Trump got to him, and the president was going to take him down a notch. If this spring’s birtherism were a sequel to the first time it arose, it would be titled “Birthers II: This time, it’s personal.”

But there’s more to it than Trump getting the hairs on the back of Obama’s neck to stand up. Jerome Corsi’s birther book was soon to be released. To the left, it is an article of faith that John Kerry lost the 2004 election because he didn’t immediately counter the Swift Boaters. He let their story spread until just enough people believed it, and Bush won. Obama decided he wasn’t going to get Swift Boated by the birthers.

So he held his press conference, and the national networks cut to it — and away from Trump — just about the time Trump finished asking why Obama has never released his academic records. Advantage Obama, for now. But something tells me Trump isn’t going to stop asking for those school transcripts anytime soon.

About the Author

Andrew Cline is editorial page editor of the New Hampshire Union Leader. His Twitter ID is @Drewhampshire.

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btims| 4.28.11 @ 6:19AM

I don't understand Cline's column here. Seems like a lot of fluff, dodging the central question.

Why did Obama NOT release his personal records, like 99% of all other major political figures? Answer: Because he used it as a political arrow to take out of the quiver when needed. This speaks poorly of him as a man.

With him, it's political strategy 24/7/365.

Alan Brooks| 4.28.11 @ 7:21AM

He doesn't need to take Trump down a notch, Trump's "adultery is no sin" will take Donald down- the GOP is very old fashioned about that. Trump is a bored old celebrity-business guy, that's all; and Obama gave him his comeuppance.

SonOfSam| 4.28.11 @ 9:58AM

Say there Alan,
If you think that somehow Trump is or ever was the TelePrompter in Chief's most dangerous opponent, guess again. Obama's most dangerous enemy is not even a Republican. Obama's most dangerous enemy is himself.

Case in point: the birther issue. Obama himself made this an issue when he didn't damn well release the certificate over two years ago. The reason this issue resonates so much is not because people are fools or racists or "bitter clingers", but because people are suspicious of politicians in general, especially those that seem to be hiding something.

Ditto for Obama's college transcripts: where are they? We have been told ad infinitum how incredibly brilliant Obama is, so why don't they release those as well, so they can show the world all the A+ grades he received? (Unlike that dumb cowboy, George Bush to be sure)

To many of us, this reluctance to share with the American people the most mundane details speaks of a man -- and an administration -- obsessed with secrecy, control and doing things behind closed doors, without the consent of the governed. It's not just the administration having a celebration of their "transparency" at a meeting closed to the media (!): it's also things like appointing "czars", who are given arbitrary power over the American people, who are NEVER vetted by Congress, never have to answer any questions, and are unaccountable to the very people they are supposed to serve.

Or for that matter, how about Obama's cronies on Capitol Hill? The people have resoundingly rejected "ObamaCare", not because they are stupid, but partly because they are suspicious of ANY major change to their lives that takes place late at night and behind closed doors, by "we know best" Democrats who make not the slightest pretense to even be listening to what the people are telling them. The result was a political earthquake.

Get ready for the aftershock, Alan: its due in around November 2012. Your "hopey changey" bric a brac should be worth Confederate money after that, and for much the same reason

carnot| 4.28.11 @ 2:50PM

bingo! great rejoinder to sidebar flame throwing. the focus should stay on Obama. And the core answer is that people wanted resolution on the BC because this President isn't trustworthy. that's the theme that needs to be sounded from here to 2012. loudly. clearly. without compunction.

IzeHavitt| 4.28.11 @ 4:49PM

I'm from Missouri.........show me.

Frisbee| 4.29.11 @ 8:37PM

The real birth certificate has these details:
Coast Province General Hospital Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya, 7lbs,1 ounce 18 inches long, 6 inches between shoulders. 7;24 p.m. 4th august ,1961 .
Birth place of father; kanyadriang village,kyanza. Supervisor of Obstretics: John Kwame Odongo

http://www.thepowerhour.com/ne.....ficate.htm

Larry| 4.28.11 @ 11:55AM

Serial adultry made the great stain-maker Clinton a big hero. Why not Trump as well? At least Donald would offer to pay for the dry cleaning.

Alan Brooks| 4.28.11 @ 12:16PM

Trump's selling point is he is attractive to women, I've seen that sort of thing at political rallies-- the women get ants in their pants when the politician shakes their hands.

Teaghan| 4.28.11 @ 12:58PM

Right Alan! Wasn't it one of the gals from NOW who said she would "drop to her knees for Bill Clinton" any time! No matter what kind of person he is, and we know how that turned out, or how he will govern our country, just that "he's sooooo goodlookin' and he makes me swoon!"
God are we in trouble!

Alan Brooks| 4.28.11 @ 1:12PM

"Right Alan! Wasn't it one of the gals from NOW who said she would "drop to her knees for Bill Clinton" any time!"

Clinton, Trump, Tom Cruise.... all the same as far as that SORT of thing goes.

carnot| 4.28.11 @ 2:52PM

hmmm...seems to me some men said same of Obama....speaking of Hardballs....but I digress.

Doug| 4.28.11 @ 8:19PM

Guess who the subject is in this sentence:

"The sun glinted off chiseled pectorals sculpted during four weightlifting sessions each week, and a body toned by regular treadmill runs and basketball games."
— Eli Saslow, Washington Post, 12/25/2008

jo anne | 4.29.11 @ 2:33AM

You are wrong as usual Alan. You are seeing this from the perspective of thinking that you know about Republicans and you are obviously another Obama lap dog. Trump won this round. And he will win the rest.

Anthony| 4.28.11 @ 9:28AM

btims, Your analysis is spot on. Cline is just another lazy member of the LSM who sees American politics as a sporting contest, who's up and who's down at any given moment. Who did what to whom and how long will the advantage last?
Cline's fawning approval over this purportedly slick move by Obozo fails to deal with the very cynical, nasty temperment, and nature of this president.
He buys into the LSMs narrative that the birth certificate was always a nonsensical issue despite overewhelming evidence that Obozo spent millions of $$ to keep his records hidden, not to mention the murky past of this man.
The LSM have failed completely in their responsibility to get released documents they have hounded Rs for for decades. Not to mention the simple fact that the Constitution requires proof of citizenship, something the lecturer in Constitutional Law, cum president, could not, or would not, recognize. They failed to vet this man and this is the result of their incompetence.
Cline is a fool who has utterly failed to comprehend the big picture here. We have a distainful and cold blooded man for president who despises this country and the American people. A man who took great pleasure over this entire issue, (and still does) despite being president of ALL Americans. He has relished watching Americans reach for each others throats, just what the community organizer hoped for and wanted to see. The LSMs post partisan president governs over a country that is a tinder box ready to explode. In the mean time America is sinking under this man.
No, Mr. Cline, Obozo gained no advantage, temporary or otherwise, over Trump or the American people. What he has managed to maintain is the fawning approval of media fools such as yourself.

vtwin| 4.28.11 @ 10:23AM

Antony, you’re mad (pissed off) because Cline is mostly right, Obama the master politician has once again used the “birther” issue to his advantage.

The release of his “long form” birth certificate yesterday is not about Obama reelection campaign or Trump. It’s about looking reasonable / Presidential in the face of the crazies, screaming “Obama NOT an American,” who want to shutdown the Government, cut Medicare, cut Medicaid, and cut taxes on the wealthy at a time of record deficits, going into the debt ceiling and 2012 budget negotiations.

jothepro| 4.28.11 @ 10:59AM

Hey vtlose, How's the kool-aid taste today.You lacky

SpiralArchitect| 4.28.11 @ 11:48AM

Take a break there vtwin - and everyone else for a moment...

This is the best piece http://www.wnd.com/(actually there are a couple here) about the true issue and how B.O. really shot himself in the foot releasing the record - the bigger issue is now what he must do from here.

Drunken Sailor| 4.28.11 @ 11:02AM

I don't even have to disprove all your lies. You supplied the answer yourself.
"It’s about looking reasonable / Presidential"

Key word is "Looking" and not "being". Being reasonable would have been to produce it 2 1/2 years ago to settle he issue. Instead he plays politics.

vtwin| 4.28.11 @ 11:30AM

Politics is about perception.

Reagan was/is perceived as a fiscal conservative but the reality is the nation debt increased at 13.0% annually, worst on record, and tripled during his time in office.

When McCain had to correct one of his supporters, claiming Obama “was not an America”, with the whole country watching, McCain’s supporters LOOKED unreasonable and by extension McCain LOOKED unpresidential.

SpiralArchitect| 4.28.11 @ 11:56AM

Unfortunately, these days this is mostly acurate.

Yet being POTUS is about leadership - something missing in this nation these days.

trinacria| 4.28.11 @ 1:57PM

It's not missing; he's just leading from behind...

Drunken Sailor| 4.28.11 @ 12:19PM

I know the whold "Perception is Reality" canard. But real leadership is self evident. Obama's actions lack it. And since you brought up McCain. When the left wanted to see his birth certificate, due to his being born in the Panama Canal, he produced it quickly. THAT is leadership. Leading by example

vtwin| 4.28.11 @ 1:20PM

“When the left wanted to see [McCain’s] birth certificate, due to his being born in the Panama Canal, [McCain] produced it quickly. THAT is leadership.”

I’d call it obedience, compliance, or submission. A trait he may have acquired during his stay in North Vietnam.

Skinner| 4.28.11 @ 2:00PM

vtwin,

Alright smart mouth, the next time your boss tells you to get something done or lose your job, we want to hear how you told him to FO.

Oh, I'm sorry, you probably don't have a job! You're likely one of the blessed few who live of the backs of those of us who are employed.

Drunken Sailor| 4.28.11 @ 2:17PM

That was low, vtwin

W| 4.28.11 @ 3:41PM

where were you during Vietnam war, vtwin?

Grzmlyk| 4.28.11 @ 5:01PM

Hey, it's the rapist!

Tell me, vtwit, are you on the sexual offender registry?

Teaghan| 4.28.11 @ 1:00PM

vtwin is on the crack pipe again down in mommie's basement!

vtwin| 4.28.11 @ 1:43PM

The fateful readers of American Spectator daily, look for a champion to emerge to defend conservative ideas against the formidable opponent vtwin.

Hey, I admire your courage but, is that all you got?

Skinner| 4.28.11 @ 2:03PM

We don't need a champion to defend ourselves. We take care of that on our own.

Grow up you narcissistic child.

vtwin| 4.28.11 @ 2:53PM

“Narcissistic?” I was responding with humor.

Skinner| 4.28.11 @ 2:59PM

Sorry, but your view of humor and mine differ.
You're the type who enjoys so called humor that is aimed at deriding someone else.
I find that childish and repugnant, just like you.

carnot| 4.28.11 @ 2:56PM

actually...Obama blew a great opportunity and reinforced prevailing criticisms. No sooner had he smugly joked about the serious of the issue and implying that it distracted him from attending to the country's core pressing issues...then he jets off for Oprah and fund raisers! what a stupid PR move. It lends more credence to what everyone is coming to understand - this guy will say anything in the moment....but watch his actions to understand what he really thinks.

Anthony| 4.28.11 @ 8:56PM

Like I said yesterday vtwin, you are a fool. The worst kind of fool, one who wishes to be considered a fool and is proud of it.
Obozo gained nothing. He looks like the mean spirited, cold blooded SOB that he is. The fact that he allowed this issue to fester for 3 years is proof of his hatred for America and Americans, except drones like you, who see great sport in this.
Yesterday you posted back to me with a flippant comment about Obozo's birth certificate found next to Hillary's billing records.
This is a perfect example of your blind stupidity. With Clinton you now have history to prove to you that your faith and belief in her and her lies was a fools gambit.
Now with Obozo, you repeat the same stupidity. You have learned nothing, you have seen nothing, and you remain the classic useful idiot.
Like I said yesterday, Obozo will scrape you and your ilk off the soles of his shoes one day, and will do so with a smile on his face.

loulou| 4.28.11 @ 10:01AM

Why did Obama have factcheck.org release a Certification of Live Birth during the campaign? The COLB is NOT a Birth Certificate and is issued by Hawaii specifically to those who do not have a Hawaiian Birth Certificate.

Advantage Obama?? I don't think so.

RCV| 4.28.11 @ 11:59AM

loulou, give it up! You're only making yourself look even more foolish with the persistence on a theory that was so dumb even Glenn Beck recognized it.

Rancorous Calumny Vituperation| 4.28.11 @ 2:02PM

I don't bother with silly persisting to this day liberal trutherism that Bush attacked really attacked the twin towers and killed really killed the victims all this after he had stolen really stolen the presidency from the one who would save really save our planet from manmade really manmade global warming really global warming on really dumb really really really dumb matters.

carnot| 4.28.11 @ 2:58PM

no...what Beck recognized is that this was a distraction from issues where the Prez is infinitely more vulnerable.

RCV| 4.28.11 @ 7:24PM

No, Beck called the birtherism theory "the dumbest thing I've ever heard."

Rancorous Calumny Vituperation| 4.28.11 @ 7:46PM

I don't bother with the irony of dumbest thing ever heard on readers pondering the length of the list of the dumbest things I've ever said matters.

RT| 4.28.11 @ 10:34AM

WhileI am not a fan of Trump, the focus did cause the issue to come to a head.
How soon we forget it was Hillary and her followers who first brought up the "birther" issue.

One thing we must not lose focus on is that
Obama should not be re-elected.

vtwin| 4.28.11 @ 11:08AM

My remembrance as to the origins of the “birther” issue was not Hillary or her campaign but rather anonymous emails of purported supporters of Clinton, as first reported by Fox “News.” So, given that these were anonymous emails the original source could have been Fox “News.”

simon templar| 4.28.11 @ 2:56PM

You remembered wrong, it came straight out of her campaign.

Margie| 4.28.11 @ 8:07PM

In the words of Elvis,
"Thaank yew verah much!"

Margie| 4.28.11 @ 8:08PM

Uh, that was to RT, thaanks.

Larry| 4.28.11 @ 6:27AM

Advantage Obama? No way. He only did what he SHOULD have done long ago. As his employers, we have a right to see that birth certificate. When any of us here apply for a job, we have to provide proof that we're eligible to work in the once great United States. The same standard should and has to be held for Comrade Golfer and anyone else who occupies the presidency.

Now, Barry, where are you school grades and writings?

CB| 4.28.11 @ 6:39AM

I agree...Trump turned that right back on Obama. He didn't hide his head in embarrasment, instead he said he got done what even the Clintons' couldn't accomplish....and said he was so proud of himself for doing it! Seems like his super ego worked to his advantage this time.

Teaghan| 4.28.11 @ 8:03AM

Ditto CB. Trump forced barry's hand, IMHO, of course. It was planned perfectly though to do it right before he flew off the Chi-town to do the Oprah interview where he could talk some more about it. I still want to see the school records and who paid those college tuition bills.. ALL of them. And the thesis as well. His wife released hers, now he should follow suit.

Mari| 4.28.11 @ 8:12AM

I agree. This whole story doesn't make me think the birthers are kooks. I come away thinking why the heck is the president messing around with us? Why didn't he do this sooner? And why did he spend money trying to keep it from us so long? I say advantage Trump.

harry monroe| 4.28.11 @ 11:43PM

Have you ever heard of Cognitive Dissonance?

RCV| 4.28.11 @ 1:37PM

Why should he cater to the mindless conspiracy musings of nuts like you?

Rancorus Calumny Vituperation| 4.28.11 @ 1:57PM

RCV | 10.23.10 @ 9:30PM

"I abhor sanctimonious conservatism of the tea party brand, an ideology wholly lacking in intelligence or a shred of real Christian love and compassion. Every policy it espouses is dangerous, damaging, and detrimental to our country and it's future. It will have a lifespan much like its intellectual forebearer, Know-Nothingism."

Mudsoaked Moron| 4.28.11 @ 6:02PM

Sorry, Rancor, John Kerry already used the "Know-Nothingism" label to try to denigrate those American citizens who joined together in a quest for lower taxes and lower spending.

November, 2010 proved that it didn't work for him. I don't think it will work for you eiether.

Rancorous Calumny Vituperation| 4.28.11 @ 6:44PM

I don't bother with a silly quotation of RCV on 10/23/10 at 9:30 pm ridiculing said RCV quoting of all geniuses the genius who has the hat has the hat to this day to his knowledge who voted for before voting against or was it voting against before voting for who had the hat regardless when he voted maybe or was that maybe not who is also from the party that at least cares about human beings AFTER they're born or is it after PARTIALLY being born or was it being born before partially having the hat on liberal geniuses like Kerry and RCV matters.

Skinner| 4.28.11 @ 2:10PM

Cater? Who the hell do you, and he, think he is? He's not the King (yet). He is our employee.

People like you will swallow any swill of this man-child, no matter how condescendingly delivered or foul tasting.

RCV| 4.28.11 @ 4:57PM

He's the man whom the majority of American freely elected as their President, who has important issues to address and doesn't need to be distracted by mentally ill delusional obsessions.

Rancorous Calumny Vituperation| 4.28.11 @ 5:30PM

I don't bother with silly distinctions like the majority of Americans, not American, the majority of Americans, provided they successfully make it past the all important, critical stage, of partially being born, as determined by constitutional scholars, such as myself and barry hussein, and as determined by real Christian love experts, such as myself and barry hussein, on caring about human beings AFTER they're born matters, provided there is no partial matters therewith and suchforth, and on speaking of mentally ill delusional matters, and on- oh, I almost forgot, I bother on silly birtherism obsession matters.

loulou| 4.28.11 @ 10:02AM

More importantly: Barry, where's your Selective Service Registration?

Martine STL| 4.28.11 @ 11:00AM

And what about the weird social security number.
This ain't over.

vtwin| 4.28.11 @ 11:37AM

Are you sure it is the “the weird social security number” that has you unsettled? Maybe it is his black skin?

SpiralArchitect| 4.28.11 @ 11:59AM

article shows the larger issue the release of the (real or not) BC creats.

http://www.wnd.com/

B.O.'s father was not a US citizen at the time of birth; this prevents B.O. from being a NBC - clearly listed on the (fake IMO) BC released.

Margie| 4.28.11 @ 8:12PM

Ok, here's another thought I heard mentioned about this supposed real certif. And the reason I say supposedly real is because I don't trust anything this immature dishonest destroyer of the American way of life does or says.
But here's another thing about it. In those days the word African wasn't used on the birth certifs. It was either Negro or colored.
Interesting, isn't it?

RCV| 4.29.11 @ 1:23AM

Yes, except his father was in fact AFRICAN, as in born in Africa.

Rancorous Calumny Vituperation| 4.29.11 @ 10:57AM

I don't bother with silly musings of introspective readers on pondering statements like this but lucky for these readers though the word african was capitalized matters.

Teaghan| 4.28.11 @ 1:05PM

Yawn......................

Teaghan| 4.28.11 @ 1:06PM

That YAWN was meant for vtwin and his RACIST rant. Soooooooooooooooooo boring anymore.
Gotta another angle vtwin?

trinacria| 4.28.11 @ 2:11PM

Or maybe it's the smug, pretentious, arrogant, disdainful manner with which he views his fellow Americans, or perhaps the over-inflated sense of importance ("today the tides began to recede and the earth began to heal"), or, better yet, perhaps it's the fact that he has so carelessly and willingly revealed himself as inadequate and unprepared for the job (lest we forget, here's a man who never received a paycheck that wasn't written by a government entity and had a grand total of zero days serving in an executive capacity in either the public or private sector). Then again, it could be the fact that he can't articulate and defend a single cogent point without resorting to the same tired class warfare tropes that nourished him like mother's milk through his upbringing and sustained him through his years as a rabble rouser and shakedown artist (oops, I mean community organizer). Nah, you're right, vtwin - it MUST be racism; I mean, really, what else could it be?

vtwin| 4.28.11 @ 3:02PM

Well it sounds like you don’t care much for Obama.
So, let me offer you some good news. After the elections next year you’ll only have to put up with him for four more years.

trinacria| 4.28.11 @ 5:03PM

With all due respect, vtwin - that's all you've got?("Oh, yeah? Well my guy's going to win. You just wait!").

That's almost as profound and insighful a rebuttal as your original, well-thought-out, "Well you're a racist" crap (what's next - "I know you are but what am I?").

Really, sport; surely you can do better...

Skinner| 4.28.11 @ 2:13PM

vtwin,

Because of people like you, your messiah and all the other nitwits that cry racist when we disagree with the ONE, I now wear the charge of RACIST from your sort as a badge of honor. It means you've run out of argument.

carnot| 4.28.11 @ 3:31PM

exactly!!!!!

trinacria| 4.28.11 @ 5:08PM

You're far too generous, Skinner. I haven't been able to detect any evidence to suggest that there was ever an "argument" for him to run out of... but then again, perhaps I'm simply blinded by my festering racism.

Mudsoaked Moron| 4.28.11 @ 6:07PM

vtwin,
Are you saying that only blacks have weird social security numbers?

That is amazing. I didn't know that. How did you even find that out?

See vtwin, even morons can be just as nonsensical as you.

da monk| 4.28.11 @ 11:21AM

How 'bout Bush's "National Guard service" why don't you mention or ask about that.

SpiralArchitect| 4.28.11 @ 12:00PM

Yes, Bush was not in the N/G therefore not a Natural Born Citizen, right...dumb ass.

vtwin| 4.28.11 @ 11:33AM

Yes, the conspiracy lives on!

harry monroe| 4.28.11 @ 11:49PM

I want his Chicago Public library card. Did he forge it so he could check out "Rules for Radicals?" I heard he still hasn't returned it.

beebop| 4.28.11 @ 6:35AM

Have to disagree with Cline. Why did 0bama spend a small fortune denying access? What we saw yesterday contained nothing worth hiding. I think it showed his contempt for the Hillary supporters and he had boxed himself into the corner. He is small, petty and petulant.

Robbins Mitchell| 4.28.11 @ 6:46AM

Advantage Barokeydoke?...not unless you believe that his father was NOT a citizen of Kenya and a subject of the Crown when Barokeydoke was born...thereby precluding him being a 'natural born American citizen'...it was never about WHERE he was born...it's always been about his lineage and Constitutional eligibility to be President...and this most recent 'document' does nothing at all to dispel legitimate doubts about that

JFGalt| 4.28.11 @ 8:07AM

If you are born in the US and both your parents are foreign nationals - you get US citizenship period. You are a naturalized citizen - you're a full birthright citizen. That's how the law is set up. Why did OBAMA!'s paternal grandmother say he was born in Kenya and that she was present at his birth though? OBAMA! is definitely not American though at least not in spirit. He's a product of his flakey upbringing.

Robbins Mitchell| 4.28.11 @ 8:20AM

That is NOT the definition of a 'natural born citizen'...both parents must be American citizens for the 'natural born' to apply

DSF| 4.28.11 @ 11:02AM

So, to be a natural born citizen, BOTH parents must be US citizens AND you must be born in one of the 50 states?

Drunken Sailor| 4.28.11 @ 11:05AM

No, children born on US military bases are US citizens. The base is considered US soil.

vtwin| 4.28.11 @ 12:00PM

“US military bases…are considered US soil” --Drunken Sailor 2010

“Declaration of War against the Americans Who Occupy the Land of the Two Holy Mosques…The presence of the USA Crusader military forces on land, sea and air of the states of the Islamic Gulf is the greatest danger threatening the largest oil reserve in the world. The existence of these forces in the area will provoke the people of the country and induces aggression on their religion, feelings, and prides and pushes them to take up armed struggle against the invaders occupying the land.” -- Osama bin Laden 1996

Drunken Sailor| 4.28.11 @ 12:28PM

A. We were talking about US Citizenship granted to persons born in a US military medical facility

B. Osama Bin Laden is what you consider a credible source?

C. Next your going to tell me any child, born of US citizenship in a military installation can never be president?

Pretty weak, even for you.

da monk| 4.28.11 @ 11:26AM

Mr.Mitchell, you better check your copy of the Constitution. Also, you better check on some of our previous Presidents, a few of them have one of their parents who was not born in the U.S. What are you going to do about them?

VBMax| 4.28.11 @ 11:33AM

The question is did they become citizens prior to the birth of the child though they themselves may been born elsewhere.

John Navratil| 4.28.11 @ 11:54AM

VBMax,

Not so. My parents were citizens of Czechoslovakia and England when I was born in Louisiana. If I'm not natural born, then I am not a citizen as I certainly haven't naturalized myself. I've had a passport since I was two.

I'll say this, if I'm not a natural born citizen, I think I'll move to the Caymen Islands and stop paying income taxes.

SpiralArchitect| 4.28.11 @ 12:11PM

Plz do not confuse apples and roast beef here... citizenship & being a NBC are entirely different.

John Navratil| 4.28.11 @ 1:33PM

SpiralArchitect,

Citizenship is acquired by birth or through naturalization. It there is a third way, let me know.

I believe we can all agree that the "natural born" clause in the Constitution is there to prevent divided loyalties in the Commander in Chief; we would not wish for one born in another country of with citizenship in that country to have to wage war on the country.

Some have suggested that natural born requires two parents who are also citizens at the time of birth. I am no lawyer and claim no expertise here, but I have no knowledge of that in the law. I am prepared to be educated. If this is supposed to be some enhanced protection against divided loyalties, I have to ask where to stop? If the parents emigrated and naturalized, but the grandparents are still in the old country, wouldn't that tend to divide loyalties?

A memo from the Congressional Research Service is found at:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/4119.....ligibility

The legal analysis begins on pages four and the conclusion one page nine is:

Considering the history of the constitutional qualifications provision, the common use and meaning of the phrase "natural-born subject" in England and in the Colonies in the 1700s, the clause's apparent intent, the subsequent action of the first Congress in enacting the Naturalization Act of 1790 (expressly defining the term "natural born citizen" to include a person born abroad to parents who are United States citizens), as well as subsequent Supreme Court dicta, it appears that the most logical inferences would indicate that the phrase "natural born Citizen" would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth".

harry monroe| 4.28.11 @ 11:51PM

This is amazing. How much free time do you have?

Skinner| 4.28.11 @ 2:32PM

John,
You are correct sir!
Since you were born in the U.S., you are a "natural born citizen". John McCain is considered the same, even though he was born in Panama, because both of his parents were U.S. citizens.

If you are born in the U.S. to parents, either one or both, who are foreign nationals, you are still considered a "natural born" U.S. citizen. But, you will have the option, when you reach the age of majority, to claim dual citizenship the the country of your parents' birth.

Unfortunately, if you do that, then want to run for the office of POTUS, you had better renounce that dual citizen ship before you formally declare, because someone holding dual citizen ship is ineligible for that office.

I believe that is Barry's problem; he claimed dual citizen ship (US /UK) but didn't renounce the British citizen ship before declaring his candidacy. Other wise, how was he able to travel to Indonesia (British colony) when he did? There was a "No-travel" restriction f/ US citizens when he went.

Drunken Sailor| 4.28.11 @ 12:31PM

Researh President Chester Arther. Born of a us citizen and (at the time of his birth) Irish Immigrant. He too, lied about his fathers citizenship during his time as V.P. and President. Even went so far as to destroy the records. Sound familiar to anyone else?

Robbins Mitchell| 4.28.11 @ 1:17PM

My understanding of the Constitution and the Law of Nations is what informed my opinion about Barokeydoke not being eligible to be President....as far as I know there is only a question about the parentage of 1 prior President....the father of Chester A. Arthur was born in Ireland apparently....there were no others....I plan to see to it that this 'President' is held to account eventually and that this never happens again

da monk| 4.28.11 @ 11:24AM

Oh, doesn't his American born mother count? She's from Kansas and carried him for 9 months. I think Kansas is one of the 50 American states. When was she in Kenya?

Robbins Mitchell| 4.28.11 @ 1:20PM

She was not old enough to confer NBC status on Barokeydoke...she would have had to be fully 19 yrs old when he was born to do that...having lived in the US for 5 yrs since the age of 14

John Navratil| 4.28.11 @ 1:39PM

Robbins Mitchell,

Do you have a legal reference defining "natural born citizen"? I don't think such a thing exists.

VBMax| 4.28.11 @ 1:55PM

Unfortunately, the Founders didn't define the term in the Constitution itself.

"Before the Constitution the closest reference we have to Natural Born Citizen is from the legal treatise “the Law of Nations,” written by Emerich de Vattel in 1758. In book one chapter 19,
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens....."

It is generally accepted that this is what the Founders intended by the term. As you can see, the present occupant of the WH is the poster child for why this term was included in the Constitution. Ultimately, it is the Supreme Court who will have to decide the issue but this will never happen as far as Obama's eligibility is concerned.

John Navratil| 4.28.11 @ 2:29PM

VBMax,

There are plenty of historical definitions which can be brought forth in discussion. The one you cite would seem to have required me to naturalize (I did not).

The 1790 Naturalization expanded on this to include children born OUTSIDE to country to parents who are citizens which implies that the U.S. didn't find this definition appropriate.

You might find the Congressional Research Memo from two years ago to be informative. (The link is above in a prior post of mine).

Skinner| 4.28.11 @ 2:34PM

I would love to agree with you Robin, but I can't.
That restriction only applies to naturalized citizens, not natural born, which Barry's mother is.

skip| 4.28.11 @ 10:22PM

Hey genius.

Kansas is one of the 57 states. 50??? Where do you keep coming up with this stuff?

What an idiot. Get thee back to thy cave troll.

Darin| 4.28.11 @ 6:52AM

So is Obama going to grant Lt Col Terry Lakin a full presidential pardon? Lt Col Lakin is an Army doctor who had previously deployed to Afghanistan. When he got his second deployment order, he wasn't sure if the orders were legal because Obama had not show his Constitutional eligibility to serve as President and Commander-in-Chief of the military. Military officers take an oath to obey the lawful orders of those appointed over them, which means they MUST question orders they believe may be unlawful. The trial was a joke, defense lawyers were refused the right of discovery, and Lt Col Lakin now sits in a jail cell.

Pecos| 4.28.11 @ 8:43AM

Exactly. I said this yesterday and I will continue to bring up the disquieting and shameful subject of Col. Larkin until he is released with a full pardon.
I have read numerous article on the events of yesterday and the only place Col. Larkin is mentioned is in the comments section.

da monk| 4.28.11 @ 11:28AM

Good. The President is his Commander and Chief and he disobeyed orders. Do you want a military service where anyone can decide if they want to obey orders?

John Navratil| 4.28.11 @ 1:41PM

da monk,

So the "just obeying orders" defence at Nuremburg should have prevailed? It is illegal to disobey a lawful order and legal to disobey an unlawful one. Of course, you had better get it right.

Skinner| 4.28.11 @ 2:38PM

da monk,

You might want to read the US UCMJ before you spout off about "following orders".

Our military personnel aren't robots. They're required to question orders if they believe them to be unlawful. But like John said, they'd better be right.

jd| 4.28.11 @ 6:58AM

Totally disagree with this column's analysis. Trump is the one that won because it was his incessant attacks that made Obama present his "birth certificate". Even if you put aside reasonable doubts that still linger about its authenticity, the truth is Obama is like a child who just could not withstand the attacks of Trump. Now I want to see Trump continue to press for release of his college transcripts. There is a reason why all these documents have been hidden for so long.

Trump 1, Obama 0

John K| 4.28.11 @ 7:04AM

Exactly JD, Trump has really showed the Big O up on this one, he got to him, and it shows.

As for Kerry and the Swiftboaters, wasn't his main problem in rebutting their allegations was they were, er, true?

PolishKnight| 4.28.11 @ 9:47AM

Another way of looking at this is that the left has enjoyed an advantage where they could stonewall opponents and mock them with silly names like "birthers" and "climate change deniers" rather than addressing the issue. There are two types of people in the world: Those who agree with them and are enlightened professors and "STOOPID" (ahaha) Jon Stewart's show is largely a parody of this thinking.

Obama's attitude was that he shouldn't need to prove his points. We should accept them on faith since he's "cool" and smart. If it was a Republican, he'd had to prove his point. In addition, any nasty "swiftboat" charges thrown out (such as "macaca" against George Allen) by the left are fair game. In their universe, the rules don't apply to them and they can make up new ones for the right to play anytime. It's like playing monopoly with a child.

Other elements of The Donald came to play during a debate on abortion and the so-called "privacy" right defined by the SC. He blew off the reporter. Where's the right to have a meth lab in your house? That's privacy, isn't it?

The right has been letting the left get away with murder for years while they play by Marquis of Queenberry rules. Trump is too selfish to go for it. God bless him. That alone makes me think about casting a vote for him in 2012. Certainly he's better than McMaverick.

Skinner| 4.28.11 @ 2:42PM

I believe what finally got to him was people were siding with Trump, regardless of his reputation and public persona.

FYI, The ONLY thing I like about Donald Trump is the SOB won't quit until he's satisfied he's got what he wanted..

Larry| 4.28.11 @ 7:15AM

The Donald again proves that he's a winner! Shame on Commie Barry. Now go resign in disgrace. Or move to Cuba where you'd feel much more at home.

NVA Patriot| 4.28.11 @ 9:08AM

He prefers China

Larry| 4.28.11 @ 9:41AM

You're right and he's stated so. Did you ever think that we'd have a president who stated that he'd rather be the president of China? Sheesh.

Shermans riding again!| 4.28.11 @ 9:48AM

What if GW had said that?

da monk| 4.28.11 @ 11:31AM

Got a question for all you Trump worshipers: What happened to your admiration for Sarah Palin? Is she being thrown under the bus?

Skinner| 4.28.11 @ 2:54PM

As I stated above, the only thing I admire about Trump is his persistence.

He's loud, arrogant, obnoxious and narcissistic. I wouldn't invite him into my home, and unless he comes up with a sound plan for governance, I wouldn't want him to be POTUS.

As for Gov. Palin, personally wouldn't vote for her for President. VP maybe.
She's smart, quick and bull dog tough, but as President, I think she would take TOO much time answering critics accusations, and not enough time governing. My sister thinks the same thing because, in her view, "She's a woman. Women HATE not answering critics."

Annnnnd you used the Alinsky MO for you question; change the subject because you can't come up with a reasonable argument.

harry monroe| 4.28.11 @ 11:55PM

Have you ever heard of cognitive dissonance?

D| 4.28.11 @ 7:16AM

I have come to the conclusion that the "conservative" MSM media really likes Obama, and feels sorry for him. AmSpec, NRO and HotAir all thought Obama got the best of yesterday. Amazing.

NHLibertarian| 4.28.11 @ 7:17AM

Let's all remember Mr. Cline is entitled to his own opinion even if he is far from the sharpest knife in the drawer. He, along with Joey McQuade' are accelerating the flush of the Manchester Union Leader down the drain as a serious paper.

Red Ryder| 4.28.11 @ 7:24AM

In his press conference Obama came through as a classroom scold eagerly attacking a straw man. That's one of his areas of expertise. Then he moved on to the "more important" things, especially flying out to Chicago to be on the Oprah Winfrey show.

Skinner| 4.28.11 @ 3:10PM

Love that, don't you?
If it ain't golf, it's Oprah...or the View (shudder)...or another vacation...

benny havens| 4.28.11 @ 7:26AM

Another phony news conference. There it was, as plan as day, Hawaii, 1961. Not a big deal.

One question. Why didn’t he show this document when Hillary’s campaign floated the balloon in the primary? Answer. Because everything this guy does is for political reasons.

Tom| 4.28.11 @ 7:26AM

The pertinent question is why Obama has spent years and hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions) in legal fees to avoid disclosure of virtually all of his background?

If he has something to hide, this might be rational.

If nothing to hide, then this indicates that there is
something quite unbalanced in the man's psyche.

In either case, he's now got a pass to avoid any further disclosures, because now he and his minions will just respond "oh, here we go again" as a means of preemptively discrediting legitimate inquiries.

Who says that the unbalanced can't plan ahead, think strategically and outwit the rational?

JFGalt| 4.28.11 @ 8:08AM

YES!

Robbins Mitchell| 4.28.11 @ 8:22AM

Only a rational mind is capable of deliberate deception...much as it pains me to admit that about Bar9keydoke

SonOfSam| 4.28.11 @ 10:08AM

Sorry Robbins, but that won't fly. Was Hitler rational? How about Stalin, or John Wayne Gacy? They all went to great lengths to conceal EVERYTHING they were doing

This is not to say that ONLY irrational people go in for coverups: case in point, Bill Clinton. Or how's about the Federal Reserve? How does a cabal of private banks get to control our money, and somehow we don't have the right to audit their accounts?

Either way, we the people must demand that the secrecy end. Especially with regards to the "most transparent administration in American history"

John Navratil| 4.28.11 @ 11:56AM

SonOfSam,

I'd have to say that all of your examples were of rational beings. Evil and rational.

SonOfSam| 4.28.11 @ 1:53PM

John Wayne Gacy aka "Kinko the killer Clown" was RATIONAL? Stalin "you have a shifty look in your eyes today" was RATIONAL? Hitler "the Jews are to blame for everything" was RATIONAL?

Huh?

VBMax| 4.28.11 @ 2:04PM

These things can't and won't resolve unless we agree on the definitions of "rational" etal.

George S| 4.28.11 @ 7:30AM

Advantage Obama? Are you kidding me? Unemployment, inflation, gas prices, ObamaCare, the middle east... all of those pushed aside by a press conference? The American people are not that stupid.

JFGalt| 4.28.11 @ 8:08AM

WRONG!
They voted for him in the first place.

George S| 4.28.11 @ 9:20AM

Easy now... they voted against him big time last November, remember?

martin j smith| 4.28.11 @ 7:30AM

I do not trust Trum
I do not trust Obama.
Thus: I in jest posted that they should be given an ACADEMY AWARD !!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW I AM MORE SERIOUS: yes, they should be given an ACADEMY AWARD FOR BEST COMEDY AND BEST ATTEMPT AT SUBTERFUGE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
If you do not see thru this garbage, you are more naive than I thought and that is dangerous.
But to help some fools out lets look at a few things that are known:
Trump has supported many LEFTISTS in recent years including Schumer in NY,including Rom Emmanuel and many others. He stated his opposItion to the Ryan Plan but gies no indication of his own. He focuses on a "matter" that bears LITTLE SIGNIFICANCE TO MOST VOTERS COMPARED WITH THE ECONOMY AND NATIONAL SECURITY.
AND OBAMA could very easily have dispelled the matter way long ago.
Finally, trump's next issue of concern: Obama's grades-- WOW THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
Thus I conclude it is very plausable they are in collusion.

Comments Police| 4.28.11 @ 12:16PM

Less CAPS and more paragraphs.

Frisbee| 4.28.11 @ 9:32PM

I am inclined to fear that martin j smith may be right. Trump seems like a faux opponent to me. He's not conservative or republican. Avoid him, like California should have avoided Arnold.

figusja| 4.28.11 @ 7:34AM

He is a poor worker and lazy. Anyone who has worked with him can tell you and has. When he got a job(his first) in a law firm, I forgot the name. Someone mentioned that he spent all his time trying to write his memoirs. He just got his first job! What is there to write about....Oh yeah the history of his dad. Lies of my father or something....right? LOL sorry just being silly. But seriously, people he worked with saw the laziness up close. Even then he paid the terrorist Alinsky to write it for him. That means he did not write the book he was paid to do and did not carry his weight in the first private sector job he had. That is why he is hiding his records!

Larry| 4.28.11 @ 7:56AM

I didn't know that he even worked in a law firm. I thought that he went straight from Harvard Law to tacking up fliers to phone poles, apparently the only thing that he was qualified to do then, and now.

Robbins Mitchell| 4.28.11 @ 8:25AM

Sidley,Austin is the Chicago law firm in question...very left wing....they have Bill Ayers homicidal whore Bernardine Dohrn on the payroll if that tells you anything

Skinner| 4.28.11 @ 3:15PM

That woman scares me more than Ayers and Barry put together. They are at least afraid of getting caught. She doesn't care.

Michael Tomlinson| 4.28.11 @ 7:40AM

Obama looked weak, peevish, churlish and petulant -- like the spoiled child he is. By not releasing a legitimate birth certificate long ago he looks paranoid, secretive and silly.

Now lets see those college and university papers!

jma| 4.28.11 @ 7:43AM

He spent over Two Million dollars to fight this and he won - no I dont think so. I'd also like to see his college transcripts, why werent we able to see all these documents from the beginning. Sorry, but everything about this man yells out FRAUD.
So sick of our so called conservatives defending this shell.

Poetry Man| 4.28.11 @ 7:44AM

I don't see how Obama wins this one. This issue had been festering for years before Trump came along. The lesson is: "Trump gets results."

Carol| 4.28.11 @ 7:55AM

Advantage Obama?

He threw his fake birth certificate out there for all to compare.

Obama is a fraud and he is playing people like you Mr. Andrew Cline for a sucker.

THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS A FAKE!

martin j smith| 4.28.11 @ 7:56AM

Two good things may result from this performance: One we can move on to real matters of concern and two maybe Trump will be less of a factor in 2012 which i think is a good thing--he is a crony capitalist and will make deals with anyone--and he has shown his willingness to help politicians who are in the Socialist camp. So he would not be a great loss.
Finally, if the Republican candidate is chosen and it is not Trump--and Trump decides to run as an " Independent" then you can bet that I am right--he is in collusion with the Socialists with even more certainty. And by the way--has nay person asked him about his views on what he would do about the Deficit,raising the debt ceiling,Obama Care, inflation,gas prices,food prices,unemployment etc. has he said on thing about the concerns of the AVERAGE AMERICAN VOTER-- Answer; NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So what does that tell you about him ?

ConChef | 4.28.11 @ 8:01AM

Yes, yes, yes!!! NOW let's see these supposedly "stellar" academic records!!! Let's see our affirmative action President's "illustrious" grades. What a putz this guy is. MaoBama needs to go back to Chicago & pick up a staple gun after 2012.

Granny Jan | 4.28.11 @ 8:02AM

He then when on to joke about it with Oprah and at his NYC fundraisers. He's milking it for all it's worth. The document he released has pecularities that are all over the blogs. There might be a simple explanation for this but it won't be revealed because he doesn't want the birther issue to go away. Of course, the subtext of the birther issue is racism. Birthers are racist. Racism will be a theme for the upcoming election.

SonOfSam| 4.28.11 @ 10:12AM

Ah yes, the race card: the one ObamaNazis always play when they've got nothing else but jokers. It might work but for a few stumbling blocks that will be in place by 11/2012:

$6 a gallon gasoline
12% inflation
10% unemployment

You heard it here first

Skinner| 4.28.11 @ 3:19PM

and one last thing; the ObamaNazis are making the word "racist" commonplace and obsolete.
Only leftist will try to defend against the charge. Conservatives I know just smile and say, "Next".

Pat Spooner| 4.28.11 @ 8:03AM

O uses stuff like this in an attempt to keep the general public focussed on this stuff versus his pathetic policies and programs which are slowly destroying the country.

martin j smith| 4.28.11 @ 8:06AM

Granny Jan--unless there is iron clad evidence that THE AMERICAN VOTER CAN BE CONVINCED OF
that contradicts what is out there, then the birth issues is a loser. Now you can blog between each other all you want but you have to get out of your
universe into the greater world where most voters are and they are more worried about their pocket book than the birth issues now. Unless you are ....

SonOfSam| 4.28.11 @ 10:13AM

hey Marty:

see above

Louis Jenkins| 4.28.11 @ 8:06AM

Fake or reality, I have long question why he didn't release the long form birth certificate. Now he has, and I'll be less vocal on this issue. Two and half years in office before he released it? Come on, the debate over McCain's citizenship was brought up by MSM when he first ran. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, both parents were natural born. Yet MSM made a big deal over it. Along comes Obama, and he seals everything dealing with his past. Couric, last night, said that Obama "had done something no other president had done before, he released his birth certificate." MSM is being dishonest here, and so has Obama. We cannot trust this man. Watch him closely, he was up to something else.

simon templar| 4.28.11 @ 4:28PM

Yes, that is the central question. Why? Because he is a master manipulator who uses these kind of issues for political manipulation and distraction. He decided to release it now because he realized that he played his hand out on it and now saw an opportunity to play the victim and energize his base. Trump brought the issue out in the media in full force and the polls show that a large portion of public's attention was gained and new segments of independents began wondering and becoming doubtful. He is loosing the independents in droves as gas prices climb. The Bamster knows about his 41 percent approval ratings and that they are falling. He decided to give in and play the victim knowing that the MSM will spin this and once again blow some new life into the race card for the upcoming year. This is why?

JimmyMac| 4.28.11 @ 8:10AM

I'm no fan of Trump, but he won this one, plain and simple. The Inside-the-Beltway guys, even ours, don't get it.

The Bishop| 4.28.11 @ 8:23AM

I'm not really sure what Mr. Cline's point was. I certainly don't see this playing to Obama's advantage as the many comments have illustrated. Why the cover-up to being with? The guy's a total fraud and a manufactured image. I have no love for Donald Trump, but I do think he's serving the opposition party in a way that career politicians couldn't stomach. Yes, let's have a look at those college transcripts. Let's prove what a genius Barack was.

Truly what is happening is that after over two years in office, candidate Obama is finally getting some vetting.

Groad| 4.28.11 @ 8:28AM

The BC is a side show and BTW, that was just another Certificate of live birth. We stiull have not seen a Birth Certificate as woulfd have been issued in 1961. Furthwermopre, it was a response to Corsi's book's pending release, not Trump. Even if we find O inelegible, how do you get him out?? Only one way, impeachment and that ain't gonna happen. Obama has already lowered the bar for qualification, the Constitution aside. The only real solution currently, is to defeat him next year. That will require a solid confident Republican with backbone, not another moderate 'electable' jelly-spined weenie.

Melvin| 4.28.11 @ 8:33AM

It is not what our government is going to do, it should applied to what are we going to do.

Skinner| 4.28.11 @ 3:25PM

I agree with some of what you wrote. It's sound speculation.

But because of your spelling, I have to ask; have you been drinking?

Melvin| 4.28.11 @ 8:31AM

I suppose there is always pre-hype about a book that is about to be published but according to what I have seen so far there is plenty of bad JuJu from Barry's past that it will shake his foundation as President. Could this be Barry's Nixon moment, when Nixon released a few tapes and it was all down hill from that point on?

Mimi| 4.28.11 @ 8:48AM

We...The AMERICAN people do not TRUST this President...on anything !! It's a shame and it's a PITY but NOTHING he does or says is believed.
The next President will be the one we can trust...thats it....!!

Roy| 4.28.11 @ 9:02AM

I don't give a hoot about Trump. Advantage America, which will now not have to listen to endless blather from Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann about "Birtherism" . What's bad for these two jokers and their master, Barack Obama, is good for America.

Grzmlyk| 4.28.11 @ 9:12AM

I am not a birther, particularly. I've always thought we'd all - Republicans, Democrats, conservatives, liberals, MSNBC and Fox News - give Obama a pass regardless of what the facts presented, and, therefore, what would be the point of raising a ruckus about this? We'd simply be marginalized by our own people - which is exactly what transpired.

But a funny think happened - Donald Trump hadn't read The Conservatives' Guide on How to Ingratiate Yourself With Liberals and Lose Elections. And so, while most conservatives eager to be accepted by liberals - including, interestingly, Ann Coulter - leapt into the Mainstream Media's camp and joined in taunting the "Birthers," they enthusiastically slapped liberals on the back, in effect saying, sure, I'm a right wing whack job, but I'm not THAT much a whack job," Trump simply continued to ask the question, eventually forcing Obama to acquiesce by producing a document that will only serve to keep the controversy burning. How is that bad? It's not like we can't point to Obama's myriad destructive acts on both the domestic and international fronts too; we can walk and chew gum at the same time, no?

But this is what bugs me the most about conservatives: Time and time again, we happily allow the Leftist Media to frame the arguments, and then, like the lickspittles we are, we strive mightily to please the enemy. It doesn't work in war, and it doesn't work in politics.

I found it hilarious that Glenn Beck, perhaps the most eternally panicked and paranoid person on this planet, was so anxious to build a firewall around what little sanity he has left, that he decided to parrot the Establishment Mantra. "Sure, I'm a raving lunatic who froths at the mouth over everything under the sun, but it's those guys over there who are the crazies!"

I have a question for all of you who self-righteously wrap yourselves in the Consitution on more palatable issues: If we found out definitively that Obama had NOT been born in America, what would you say about his qualifications for running in 2012?

"Well, come on, folks, the constitution is a living document. Besides, we've already let him play the front nine; I mean, come on, he's already IN the country club and has a valet parking ticket; let's give him the opportunity to play the back nine as well, since we're nice conservatives and we want liberals to like us."

As many have pointed out, it's not just the birth certificate - it's the fact that Obama's entire life is shrouded in opaque secrecy. Why doesn't that bother conservatives more than it does? I mean, we don't need to deploy ALL of our resources to dig up Obama's past - maybe just a few investigative reporters with a modicum of Trump's tenacity could shed some light on Obama - as a flanking maneuver - while the bulk of our firepower is spent on more frontal assaults (yeah, like our Feckless Leader, John "I'm really one of you guys" Boehner).

Perhaps if we had deployed just a few hearty souls to dig a little deeper early on, and found physical proof that Obama had been elevated by institution after institution purely because he was an affirmative action pawn (which, given the intelligence, knowledge and skill he has displayed is patently obvious) perhaps he wouldn't be president today.

As for Cline, his very first argument out of the gate is that Obama MUST have been born in the US because there's no evidence that he wasn't. Yeah. Since when is that an acceptable form of proof? Try telling that to the agent when you show up for your own passport with no birth certificate, or hand over a mere facsimile thereof. See how far it'll get you.

The man's very identity is hidden by the mists of obfuscation, and the birth certificate is simply one piece of the puzzle. There is a metaphysical significance that, from the moment he was born, he was a cipher. If Shakespeare were reincarnated to write the tragedy of America, I have no doubt that his villain, too, would be a man with no identifiable past.

George S| 4.28.11 @ 9:35AM

We know who the guy is and we've seen what he's done. Trouble is a disturbingly high number of people don't care, or worse yet, think he deserves reelection. That is what's frightening. Shakespeare would indeed have plenty of material. But so would Freud.

Bob Grant| 4.28.11 @ 10:00AM

Trust me, you might be pleasantly surprised at the number of people who think he deserves reelection.

Grzmlyk| 4.28.11 @ 10:38AM

I hope you are right, Bob.

God knows the Fed is going to do everything it can to get Obama re-elected (QE3, QE4, etc.); therefore, the house of cards may not completely collapse until about January of 2013.

And let's not forget the wink and the nod that our culture extends to Democrats' serial stealing of elections. I mean, "justice" is so yesterday. "Social Justice" is what matters.

And when it does collapse, we all know who will be to blame: George W. Bush.

Obama will be our savior, and the martial law he'll have to declare, the confiscation of property, the nationalization of industry, the purge of enemies will all just be more proof of his incredible brilliance, his kindness, his sheer magnificence.

I think I'm getting the fever myself!

The State is All! Obama is the State! May he live a thousand years! May he bestow his beneficence upon us into eternity! All hail Obama!

Steve A| 4.28.11 @ 10:07AM

In my opinion, there is no way this is a plus for Obama. It further illustrates his tendency to be a reactive "leader" as opposed to a proactive force.

Think about it: He sat on the sidelines & had 1 conversation with the CO of Afghanistan for the first year of his administration until he was called out & forced to do a photo op with McCrystal to quiet the media storm.

He had zero contact with the CEO of BP months into the oil spill as he claimed " I know what guys like him will tell me."

Egypt & Lybia are obvious examples of leading from behind.

The beer summit is another example.

Now he reacts to the birther outcry, as he had always planned. This birther movement was a sucker bet from the start but it backfired as it fits with his overall trend of reactive leadership.

Obama is like an umpire who hears every criticism from both dugouts & the stands. He has thin skin & a short fuse.

There is zero chance that his other records will be released. It would blow his cover story of an uber genius. He has admitted he was a crummy student at times. Plus, he likely wrote some juvenile & embarassing text while in college, like we all probably did.

VBMax| 4.28.11 @ 11:00AM

"I have a question for all of you who self-righteously wrap yourselves in the Consitution on more palatable issues: If we found out definitively that Obama had NOT been born in America, what would you say about his qualifications for running in 2012?"

People have to realize that the Constitution is our
lifeboat and singular resource to stop the tide of "transformative" ideology. That is why it must be applied without question to the issue of Obama's eligibilty. If we lower the standard to accomodate this issue we are sunk.

simon templar| 4.28.11 @ 3:32PM

Grzmlyk, glad to see you weighing in on this. I wish you had been out here yesterday. I too have not had much use for this BC thing. Had to kick some Trolls now posing as conservatives ranting and ranting about this. Yes, what bothered me about all of this was so many leaping to conclusions without evidence on both sides of it and completely missing the reality and fact that the bamster was playing this issue and manipulating everybody. It is indeed just one of the many obfucations and secrecy he likes to unhold about himself for political manipulation, distraction, and cover. His arrogant attitude is that he does what he wants and does not have to answer to anything or anybody. What I really wanted to see Trump do, any conservative for that matter, is hold a big press conference and hold up one of his books and read excerpts from it. Ask the press if they can explain some of the crazy socialistic and anti-american comments he makes in them. So, many people are really ignorant of who this guy really is. That to me is the real issue here.

Grzmlyk| 4.28.11 @ 5:18PM

Unfortunately, I think many people who have deified Obama and genuflect before His Image HAVE read his book(s). They LOVE what they read. That's why this country is fucked - it's not the fact of Obama - it's the fact that there were millions of people who wanted to elevate Obama and want to see this country destroyed - or else just want their piece of the pie.

I have a friend in Nebraska who's a college professor - he had always more or less been in the conservative orbit, even though he's always been kind of wobbly.

And, to be fair, even before Obama came on the scene, my friend got turned around and began believing that the callow and inexperienced youth he taught had something to teach him, and that experience and wisdom could be discarded in favor of idealism and feel-good fantasies of fariness and equality. He had, in fact, become seduced by Marxist ideology, even though he did not see it that way.

Well, once Obama descended from the heavens onto planet earth, my friend read his books and fell in love. I don't even talk to him anymore; I can't. BEcause in the two years Obama's been in office, my friend thinks he's been sullied only by the base nature of politics; Obama himself remains the pure essence of goodness, the way, the truth and the light.

People lke my friend KNOW what Obama stands for: They either embrace the Marxism he represents or else they choose to lie about it. But they know.

As for the birther issue, I'm not so sure he withheld it from the very beginning as political bait. I kind of doubt it; I do think he was hiding something. Because I don't really think it's helped him all that much - I know I'm in the very small minority, but I think he looks smller and smaller (then again, that's only to people who don't already look at him through rose colored glasses).

Still, do you think Ezra Klein or Bill Maher or Lawrence O'Donnell or any of the left's mouthpieces would have been any less hateful and vitriolic toward conservatives if the birther issue never arose?

I guess it has helped him in that it turned conservatives on each other, but I don't think he comes out unscathed, either.

I simply cannot believe the press still defends this utter fool. We deserve to lose America if that's the kind of leader we choose.

My only consolation is that once the whole rotten structure comes crashing down, it's going to crush all of these phony do-gooders, too.

simon templar| 4.28.11 @ 6:42PM

You make some excellent points. I guess I was thinking of the independents not the converted and worshipers. I still believe these people suffer more from ignorance and can be persuaded and educated to our side. Hey, Breibart was a flaming liberal once! Thanks for your reply. I continue to respect your insights and opinions. I hope we will not turn on each other and do not believe we will. I guess I am getting to that age where I know and can admit that I am wrong once in a while and can still learn a lot. Time will tell and put us all in our places. The thing is...we as conservatives must be nimble..learning from our mistakes, and listen to each other more than talk....and learn from each other. We unlike our marching dogmatic, one mind, one leader opponents can agree on most of everything but agree to disagree on the rest.

Grzmlyk| 4.29.11 @ 8:28AM

Hi Simon - I was otherwise occupied and didn't get back to Amspec until just now.

I doubt you'll check back on this post - if I can, I'll try to track you down today - but I wanted to say thank you, and I respect your insights, too - greatly. I enjoy reading your posts, and I don't think we disagree on the big things.

I do think that, in this country, we have gone so far down the rabbit hole of unreality that we have lost our moorings completely and are now adrift in a sea of relative values, personal morality, instant gratification and a false consciousness.

Today, even conservatives routinely acquiesce to the liberal point of view. There are myriad examples (Ford, Nixon, Bushes 41 and 43, the whole Birther issue, just to name a few), but look at Paul Ryan's budget - sure, it's bold in that it challenges one of the tenets of the nanny state: that every government program, office, initiative and budget must always increase its budget from year to year. And because it violates the prime directive of bureaucracy - that it must grow larger yearly - it'll never pass anyway.

But Ryan's budget seeks to preserve the welfare state, not disassemble it. Ultimately, even if it passes, it’ll put us right back at square one.

I think that, thanks to the media, our education system - from kindergarten through the PhD level - our legal system, our popular culture and even our scientific community, we have been utterly intoxicated by a reality that simply does not exist.

Besides, I think the most malleable, spineless and clueless entity on this planet is the "independent" voter. Like the citizens in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, they are susceptible merely to the last populist dogma they've heard. And the media has already shown that it's only going to double down on its support of Obama - look at Bob Shieffer the other day - he actually said questions about Obama's academic record were ipso facto racism. Independents eat that stuff up. Hell, they see Shieffer as a benign, avuncular, wise elder statesman of the press and not the duplicitous, self-serving Marxist shark he is.

The sad truth is that most independents aren't independent thinkers at all - they're clay waiting to be molded by the highest emotional bidder. You could make 'em jump, fetch, roll over and play dead if you make your argument resonate with their hidden prejudices enough.
But yes, I value your presence on this sight greatly, and look forward to your contributions.

simon templar| 4.29.11 @ 2:12PM

Grzmlyk, You eloquently and perfectly described the independents. Unfortunately, this is the group that we will have to re-educate and try our best to inform....not an easy task, but we can not afford to leave them to the Progs to manipulate any longer. Just would like to add to your thought on the state of this country and the rabbit hole of unreality. I have been trying for years to convince other conservatives that our fight is much more than just elections and electing conservatives to government. Breitbart gets it. Been following this guy since the beginning. It is largely about CULTURE..culture is downstream of politics and determines essentially everything. This is why the Progs and Socialist attacked and infiltrated first the Universitys, then the media, then the entertainment indusrtry, then the local school systems. They knew this essential truth from the start of the last century. Nothing will essentially change until we retake these institutions and bring a strong conservative voice to bear within each one. I firmly believe we are capable of this. I am seeing signs of it already. There have been news storys about certain parents in local school systems who have been recently successful in taking back control of their school boards, removing the communist teachers, and revising the curriculums. It is catching on. There is more talk and action around school vouchers than ever before as well. There is great promise and hope ahead. We are taking the internet by storm and smashing the hell out of them in the radio world. We have to keep going. So, keep writing my freind..you are contributing immensely. Have you ever thought about creating your own web site offering analysis of the news of the days and the issues of our time?

Michael Tomlinson| 4.28.11 @ 9:24AM

I'd say impeach and remove him and so would the majority of Democrats if they wanted to survive as a party or at least avoid the Federal investigation, trial and prison.

NVA Patriot| 4.28.11 @ 9:26AM

Mr. Cline,

Please stop listening to all the Repubs coming to New Hampshire promoting the Mayonnaise men of the presidential 2012 cohort...

For most of us not in the political fever swamp, this issue of the Birth Certificate has become a proxy for trust and elitism. In our post 9/11 world, we need our identity documentation to do anything but vote - and that's gonna change. If you go to get a driver's license you need a birth certificate. Ditto changing jobs when you fill out the I-9 form.

If there is no there there as the President said, then why play this game with the public? It's a waste of time and money - money few people have now (actually it's value since we're all going to have LOTS of money thanks to QE2).

Obama lost very big on this issue. Having to produce routine identity documentation is a tangible issue for Americans. Because of the President's handling of this issue we the people have come to resent President Obama personally for his conduct in a routine matter - one we all submit to regularly...

This will fester in the voter psyche; it sets Obama apart, makes him an elite for which normal rules don't apply and Americans resentment will be a dull ache in his polling until the next peevish outburst. The MSM has little credibility; their cover for him adds fuel to the fire.

If the Republicans act like they have a backbone and avoid a mayonnaise man for the President slot the American people will do the rest...

PolishKnight| 4.28.11 @ 9:38AM

"Let's face it, screaming for the president's birth certificate -- when there is no evidence he was born outside the country "

"No evidence?" Let's try looking at this from a perspective of an immigration official: He is son of a Muslim foreign official and spent much of his life outside of the USA.

When my wife got her citizenship, she was questioned about all of her activities outside of the USA in order to establish that she was even qualified to gain citizenship. Considering Obama's refusal to release his BC, the birthers were not being terribly unreasonable.

Drunken Sailor| 4.28.11 @ 2:23PM

PolishKnight,

I agree with you but the "when there is no evidence he was born outside the country" is a liberal straw argument. Last I checked the onus is on the person running to prove they are elibible. Not for us to disprove it. In that Obama played games.

Dustoff| 4.28.11 @ 9:46AM

Ahhhhhhhh, guys.

Let's NOT forget. It was Hillary's people who first started this BC stuff and even sued over it.

For me I could care less. We need to attack O-bummer about his spending with zero results, jobs, fuel & food costs.

Bob Grant| 4.28.11 @ 10:02AM

I agree!!! All Trump did was to give Zero an excuse to address the nation.

Drunken Sailor| 4.28.11 @ 12:34PM

I disagree, what Trump did is kept on pushing Obama's buttons, thereby building pressure. Obama can not handle criticizime and trys to trivialize it. He is thin skinned and if pushed long and hard enough he will break for all the world to see.

Grzmlyk| 4.28.11 @ 12:58PM

I agree with you, Drunken Sailor, and I disagree with 99.9 percent of conservative pundits out there. I think Trump is the winner in this, and Obama looks petty and weak.

I mean, who ever thought that an amateurish break-in at the Watergate Hotel would eventually force Nixon to resign and render the GOP toxic for the next 8 years? NOBODY.

It was Woodward and Bernstein who kept the drumbeat going until they'd built up enough momentum that the entire liberal establishment lined up behind them to settle the Alger Hiss score once and for all.

By all means, let's attack Obama on all of the issues of quotidian consequence. Nobody wants to stop talking about Obamacare, the drilling moratorium, the budget, inflation, Afghanistan, the Middle East in general or any of the other albatrosses we MUST hang around our piece of shit in chief's neck.

(Of course that's going to be mighty difficult with all the RINOs we have in the party, who are IN on the grift.)

But why pooh-pooh the drip, drip, drip of the birth certificate issue that continues to erode Obama's credibility - and is beginning to vex him?

I'd appreciate it if our own people weren't so eager to jump on the "I HATE BIRTHERS" bandwagon.

Were liberals so accommodating when the "truthers" provided withering crossfire against Bush?

Drunken Sailor| 4.28.11 @ 2:29PM

Amen Grzmlyk, Not only should we criticize the meaniful but the trivial as well. Keep him mad until he slips and loses his cool. The left did it to Nixon and it will work on Obama. A egomaniac cannot handle having his ego deflated or being second guessed. For proof just take a look at Obama's face during his press conference about releasing his long form birth certificate.

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VAcogito| 4.28.11 @ 9:56AM

While it is true that people who somehow believed that Obama might be removed if it could only be proved that he was not qualified to serve in the position of President are delusional about the impeachment process; there is the feeling that The President has been playing them, and by extension all Americans. And that is not a good feeling to have about one's President--it lends a impression that he is not serious and that he holds the average American in contempt.

Skinner| 4.28.11 @ 3:42PM

Exactly! Thank you.

Basically, what this douche has played a sick adult game of "Gotcha" with with the American public.
What's gonna make it even less palatable is the response from the supposedly unbiased media and the GOP. I can already see the sneer on Maddows face, and Boehner throwin his hand in the air saying, "Oh well, I guess that settles that".

Didn't like it in 3rd grade, what makes anyone think we'd like it now?

Ed| 4.28.11 @ 10:03AM

Other web sites have analyzed a PDF (digital) copy of the long form birth certificate and it is showing layers and boxes that should not be there. A true PDF document of this sort should be "solid", with no modifications. Is it real, or is it fake? Stay tuned, this is not the end of the story.

Harry Flashman| 4.28.11 @ 10:10AM

American voters of all political persuasions can recall the Obama 2008 campaign repeatedly promising that their administration would uphold the highest ethical standards with a particular emphasis on transparency.

A vast majority of these voters believe that the process of running for President of the United States should be the toughest public job interview on the planet.

The sad fact remains that the current president, according to longstanding government clearance protocols, could not be hired as a janitor in a federal building with the amount of personal background information and verifiable records that he has provided.

Quite apart from the issue of any sort of birth certificates, real or imagined, genuine or forged, is the fact that Barack Obama's school records, SAT and LSAT scores, college and law school admission records and scholarship paperwork and grade transcripts and thesis papers, medical records, passport history, Illinois state senate tenure records, presidential campaign foreign donor lists, complete White House visitor logs and many other relevant records and documents have all never been released or allowed to be subjected to any sort of scrutiny, despite several years of repeated requests for disclosure by numerous individuals and non-tradition media organizations, despite several years of repeated requests for disclosure by numerous individuals and non-traditional media organizations.

The Obama 2008 campaign and subsequent administration have to date spent a substantial sum on legal fees, estimated in the millions of dollars, to fight Freedom of Information Act filings and other requests to examine this material. The powerful international law firm Perkins Coie, the counsel of record to the Democratic National Committee, has been their primary provider of these services and continues in that role.

It had become customary in postwar modern times for presidential candidates to allow for the release and scrutiny of the substantive body of their personal records and credentials, indeed up until 2008 largely because of a strong interest from the mainstream media.

The appearance of Barack Obama upon the national political scene changed that tradition, and he was given an astonishingly egregious special exception from this unofficial practice that American voters had come to expect.

In their eagerness to "make history" by helping to elect The Chosen One as the first black president, the mainstream media failed in their essential national responsibility to report with thorough impartial objectivity. They ignored their duty to search for the truth and should be regarded with disdain by all people who value information in a free society.

It is certianly true that there have been a few occasions when a modern presidential candidate has been evasive or deceptive in providing the desired honest accounting of their past.

The medical records of JFK were allegedly sanitized to delete his diagnosis of Addison's disease and history of treatments for STD related maladies. The financial records of LBJ were allegedly altered to conceal the extent of his business ownerships and investment holdings. The air national guard service records of W were allegedly missing or incomplete regarding his attendance and compliance with certain standard regulations.

All of these instances pale in comparison with the unprecedented totality of secrecy that has always guarded Barack Obama's past.

Virtually the entire paper trail of Obama's existence, practically every personal record and document from his past, has always been deeply hiddden away in a tight shroud of secrecy.

The necessary effort to defeat Obama in 2012 will require a double sided offensive.

The paramount issue must be the policies and actions of Barack Obama and his administration, and their devastating effect upon the domestic and foreign affairs of the United States.

The secondary, but equally important issue, must be the matter of Obama's false promises of transparency and hidden paper trail.

Opinion polling invariably finds that authenticity is the character trait that is most important to American voters in electing and trusting their leaders and legislators. That a candidate or elected official really is who they say they and truly believes in what they claim are their beliefs, and are not a phony or a fraud or a hypocrite or a liar.

bava cohen| 4.28.11 @ 10:18AM

Trump was the winner here, but I have a question for THE ONE: there is a soldier sitting in jail for refusing to go to Afganistan, because he said he was not sure that Obama is an American citizen. Why did Obama let him go to jail, Why didn't he release his birth certificate before that soldier went to jail?

martin j smith| 4.28.11 @ 10:31AM

We were the losers with regard to Trump and Obama.
I am hoping somewhere out there for a candidate with some sanity.

JimP| 4.28.11 @ 10:33AM

Respectfully Mr. Cline, I don't even see it as temporary advantage to Obama. A private citizen just made the POTUS produce a document he has spent 2 & 1/2 years refusing to produce. Obama's '08 opponent produced his bc when his eligibility was questioned. Obama just danced to Trump's tune. To me that equals advantage Trump, and regardless of whether or not the document proved anything about the 'birther' suspicions.

martin j smith| 4.28.11 @ 10:37AM

I hope people vote based on the questions: are you better or worse off now ? Are you safer or less safe now ? If they do, and if things continue--I think Obama can be beaten--but not with the birther issues or the grades.

Larry| 4.28.11 @ 12:27PM

The status of his birth and grades are tangental issues. They're important though in that they show the complete dishonesty of the man, his contempt for the American people and his willingness to keep himself a mystery. Is that what we want or need in a president?

Kearney| 4.28.11 @ 4:41PM

Those college records will tell much more about Obama than his grades. That's why the records have been kept hidden at a substantial cost in effort and money.

Jeff| 4.28.11 @ 10:38AM

Trump is playing 3 card monty with Obama and he is not finished ... he got him to pick a card and guess what, it was the red queen !!!

Was Obama lucky or was Trump just asking to get Obama to respond ?

Want to bet the next time Obama picks a card he won't see a queen ?

I think Trump is willing to bet that Obama didn't get stright A's at Columbia. Why ? Because Trump knows that straight A students coming out of Columbia don't take their first job with firms like Business International Corporation thats why.

martin j smith| 4.28.11 @ 10:52AM

Jeff--are you a Socialist ?
Lets see I think I will voter for Micky Mouse because Obama got C in his GPA ? Right Jeff ?

martin j smith| 4.28.11 @ 10:52AM

Jeff--are you a Socialist ?
Lets see I think I will voter for Micky Mouse because Obama got C in his GPA ? Right Jeff ?

martin j smith| 4.28.11 @ 10:52AM

Jeff--are you a Socialist ?
Lets see I think I will voter for Micky Mouse because Obama got C in his GPA ? Right Jeff ?

martin j smith| 4.28.11 @ 10:52AM

Jeff--are you a Socialist ?
Lets see I think I will voter for Micky Mouse because Obama got C in his GPA ? Right Jeff ?

Wayne | 4.28.11 @ 11:03AM

Sounds to me like this is just a nutty conspiracy theory. You are saying Obama intentionally withheld his birth certificate. That is nuts. You are just some birther.

martin j smith| 4.28.11 @ 11:16AM

Wayne who are you--Obama could have squashed the matter very early on but for his own reasons--Political I am sure--he decided to let these folks get enough rope as it were. Problem is this, Obama can try all he wants to fool the American people by Teasing them or dragging an issue out but--when they buy their groceries,when they buy their gas, when they buy any necessities including clothing they will see what is going on because they cannot avoid it. Its socking them in the face--not to mention a growth in unemployment .
Obama cannot hide these things they areout there and these are what will count.

Mimi| 4.28.11 @ 2:14PM

Heh Martin....check out today's American Thinker. I read some comments that indicate the birth Certificate the WH put out is a fake and a poor fake at that! Like YOGI said.." It ain't over 'til it's over". Evidence says they're in DEEP TROUBLE!!

simon templar| 4.28.11 @ 6:30PM

If that is true and not more conjecture and speculation, then you are absolutely right. He is literally toast and will be impeached.

Jack in Wi.| 4.28.11 @ 11:41AM

Obama is awful. but who the hell is going to beat him? I like Kascich of Ohio. He has a lot of experience, has stood up to the unions, and has a lot of practice on TV. Now if he can just get away from backing these wars,. he will be one great candidate. Any Republican still backing these wars in 2012 can kiss winning the general election goodby.

Larry| 4.28.11 @ 11:48AM

Now, can someone explain why Comrade Golfer has a social security number which was reserved for someone born in Connecticut?

Maddox| 4.28.11 @ 11:55AM

The people of the United States have a right to all information on any POTUS but in the scope of all the problems we are facing it seems petty. The issue should have been forced before he was inaugurated by the wimps who call themselves Congressmen.
O.T. Please pray for our friends and neighbors here in Alabama. So many are hurting today.

Larry| 4.28.11 @ 12:00PM

Unfortunately, Comrade Golfer and his third world socialist mentality believes that we work for him when of course, it's exactly the opposite.

Doug| 4.28.11 @ 12:04PM

You are one of those typical dunces who doesn't get the point, so let me inform you. Obama should release his birth certificate the same and anyone one of us are required to do. He should do this because he is not above the law.

Instead of berating the conservative side, you should be making the case that the idiot in charge of our nation as finally decided to live up to his obligation and realize he must act like an ordinary citizen instead of god.

SpiralArchitect| 4.28.11 @ 12:19PM

Solution: Allen West

VBMax| 4.28.11 @ 12:40PM

I like him but not this election cycle.

ONTIME| 4.28.11 @ 12:55PM

It's still a COLB, no birth weight, no foot print among the missing ID information. I say we take that Kenya BC that has been displayed and compare the foot print to that of the Mystery Man's to see if there is a relationship. Then I would ask those in the MSM why they don't know the difference between a BC and COLB .

MSM is where even a idiot can get a job and be paid.

Larry| 4.28.11 @ 1:08PM

There's an old saying: "Those who can't do work at McDonald's. Those who can't work at McDonald's work at Burger King. Those who can't work at Burger King go to journalism school."

martin j smith| 4.28.11 @ 1:29PM

!n 2012 when voters go to vote, there choice for President will be decided by:
a) Obama's birth certificate
b)Their birth certificate
c)Obama's grades
d) Their grades
e) How full or empty their wallets are-assuming their have a source of income.
What do you suppose is the right answer ?

Anyone who does not use common sense and chooses any other answer in view is either:
a) Psychotic
b) A Liar
c)have limited intelligence
d)should not be voting or
e) A Liar

talkradio55| 4.28.11 @ 1:32PM

Let's have Trump not run for president but be the person who brings down the facade of Obama being a "smart guy". Trump can bring down Obama that way while real candidates run against his ideas. Why do we even assume that Obama is smart in the first place? Since his entire life story is a lie regardless of where he was born, the lie must be brought crashing down and Trump is the man to do it.

And everyone please remember, the MSM dug up George Bush's transcripts in 1999 during the primaries, but they claim that Obama's is off-limits. In the same way that they hid Gore and Kerry's grades until they lost (and we found out that Bush is smarter than both of them), they must now protect Obama from the truth that he is a blithering idiot.

Larry| 4.28.11 @ 1:40PM

Anyone who ever assumed that Obama was smart has to be as stupid as he is. He's always struck me as not bright, ill-informed, inarticulate and a very good liar, though not nearly as good as Bill 'n Hill.

When he speaks, he makes George Bush (43) sound like Winston Churchill by comparison.

forevermax| 4.28.11 @ 1:48PM

Illegal documents can be made in the blink of an
eye today. He's not a citizen of America. If he had
a legal B.C. to show, he would have shown it when all these questions started. He has all his school
& college papers under seal, so they can't be viewed. No one even remembers him at any of the
education facilities he says he attended. Everything in his background smells like a big
rotten fish. Why all the secrecy? No reason for
it at all UNLESS he has something to hide, or
maybe I should say some THINGS to hide!

Larry| 4.28.11 @ 1:51PM

Hey Barry! Where are the transcripts????

Randall G| 4.28.11 @ 2:42PM

What a ridiculous spin on the release of the bc. Trump put extreme pressure on Obama to produce something (Many experts now are questioning the authenticity of the document), and Obama blinked. His contempt for the American people was showing through again, as more and more citizens, who may have thought the whole thing was a non-issue, were stopping and asking themselves, "Why doesn't Obama just show it and shut everybody up ? What is he hiding ?"

Obama saw bigger trouble coming, and he scurried like a rat to get out of the way.

Cline's "take" is nonsense. Obama lost. Trump won big.

simon templar| 4.28.11 @ 4:46PM

The Bamster gained much from his little game of stubborn refusal to reveal it over the last two years. You are right, in the end, Trump did win in the sense that he forced him to show his hand. Many people who are independents and can think are now asking, why did this guy not reveal this two years ago. That is also a win. Unfortunately, this is not over. The Left and the MSW will now use this on new level and spin with new life to blow into the race card. he will continue to play the victim and attempt to gain sympathy from some of the independents with his base energized and pissed off with new energy. Just look at the fury on these blogs, the trolls working the issue pretending as conservatives, and the others already throwing down the first of the racism charges.

Mistral| 4.28.11 @ 3:06PM

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Do not be so easily fooled by this gesture of the POTUS - the certificate ought to be subject to forensic testing. There is a diustinctly nasty feel about this issue that just will not go away.

Mistral| 4.28.11 @ 3:15PM

Forensic testing Mr Hussein! Forensic testing!

farm fid| 4.28.11 @ 3:17PM

trump won by a tko. the reason trump is not like by the lsm and the" fox brain childs" trump pushes back. trump takes an Ak47 to rumble, they can not stand people who do not kiss their fake a$$. we should send the U.S. media on the first wave into Syria. we would remove the scum from our gene pool.

Mistral| 4.28.11 @ 3:22PM

So, Mr Hussein has no time "for all this silliness" but he had both the time and the money to drag this issue out for four years when all he had to do was publish it on demand.
Now who was being "silly"?

simon templar| 4.28.11 @ 4:35PM

Why did the bamster wait so long to release the BC? Because he is a master manipulator who uses these kind of issues for political manipulation, distraction, and cover. He decided to release it now because he realized that he played his hand out on it and now saw an opportunity to shift and play the victim and energize his base. Trump brought the issue out in the media in full force by going on the offensive rather than the defensive on this issue and the polls show that a larger portion of public's attention was gained and new segments of independents began wondering and becoming doubtful. He is loosing the independents in droves as gas prices climb. The Bamster knows about his 41 percent approval ratings and that they are falling. He decided to give in and play the victim knowing that the MSM will spin this and once again blow some new life into the race card for the upcoming year. This is why.

Kearney| 4.28.11 @ 4:35PM

The secrecy of Obama's past is all related. College records will probably show that Obama got aid as a foreign student. They say where he was born. No one but an insane person or a person with something important to hide would take as many steps as Obama has to conceal his biography.
And the MSM are not even curious about it.

RCV| 4.28.11 @ 5:00PM

That's right - he went to great length to pretend he was born in Hawaii - placing newspaper ads to fool people, etc., and then when he went to college, he applied for aid as a foreign student.

Do you people even think about this drivel before you write it?

Rancorous Calumny Vituperation| 4.28.11 @ 5:40PM

I don't bother with silly drivel as expert on drivel matters and why did barry hussein the transparentator spend so much time and more relevantly so much money hiding this anyway matters and what in creation is on barry hussein's transcripts that the tranparentator has kept hidden even after the now infamous long form revelation and what in creation are the classes barry hussein sat in and what in creation are the grades barry hussein earned in those classes and not to mention my other mentally delusional obession matters.

simon templar| 4.28.11 @ 4:51PM

The Bamster gained much from his little game of stubborn refusal to reveal it over the last two years. many of you are right, in the end, Trump did win in the sense that he forced him to show his hand. Many people who are independents and can think are now asking, why did this guy not reveal it two years ago. That is also a win. Unfortunately, this is not over. The Left and the MSW will now use this on a new level and spin it with new life to blow into the race card. He will continue to play the victim and attempt to gain sympathy from some of the independents and also energize his base with new energy. Just look at the fury on these blogs, the trolls working the issue pretending to be conservatives, and the others already throwing down the first of the racism charges.

RCV| 4.28.11 @ 5:01PM

Show what hand? The fact that he was born in Honolulu just as he's been telling you?

simon templar| 4.28.11 @ 6:11PM

He forced his hand in the sense that he forced him to get on national tv and show the long form bc; which for two years he dismissed and refused to reveal to settle the issue. I did not have one opinion or another. Do I work in the Honolulu bc department? Was I there when he was born? My issue with him is why did he not put this rest immediately? Why did he spend so much money trying to cover this and much more? You should be asking this yourself , even as a liberal American, if you are honest with yourself. Here you think you have elected a president who says he is for transparency: something you believe in highly given you had some great issues with the other guy in this regard and demanded his bc and other documents of his past. Then over the years you watch the MSM play games with this issue, groups you think are fringe are making all kinds of claims, and all this time and energy is spent away from what you probably think is important. He seems to do nothing about it. That does not bother you in the least? In fact, it seems that he is using the whole affair for political gain. Now he is all for non-distraction. I really do not care what a politician tells me...Republican or Democrat. You will not believe this but I would be leveling the same questions and observations if this was a republican.

For What Its Worth| 4.30.11 @ 8:56AM

He will once one of his other policy initiatives takes his negatives further into the tank. It is all designed to be a diversion from the messes that he and his acolytes keep making (incidentally, all intentionally done!)

simon templar| 4.28.11 @ 6:24PM

Futhermore, if he was smart and honest, he would release all his transcripts, grades, etc. through a lower level staff person to the press for perusal. He would then go on with his work as president and instruct lower level staff to answer questions and direct the conversation if it still persist. You are going to have to wake up to who you put in the white house. If you are a real average centrist democrat..start by reading his books..you might find something there you will be very surprised to read. Also, I respect that you identify yourself and are not one of these insulting liberals that come out here to just make trouble. Have you ever taken any business courses at university? Seriously, I am not trying to be a smart ass here. If not, do. I have met many liberals who have not and have no understanding of capitalism, business, and economics. They are at a very big disadvantage as they would not know how to spot a crony capitalist from a real one and are often misled by politicians about such things as the price of gas and a whole host of other things.

Rancorous Calumny Vituperation| 4.28.11 @ 6:50PM

I don't bother with silly questions being exposed as more than just silly on simon says comment intelligently and honestly once just to see what it's like for crying out loud matters.

ABNCP| 4.28.11 @ 5:09PM

The fact is that every time Obama gets in front of a television camera he loses. Most Americans are so sick and tired of his Mussolini on the balcony posture with his chin up and his index finger touching his thumb, and almost all the time giving misinformation, disinformation, half truths or damm lies. I say keep it up Obama. You turn off another 10,000 voters every time you appear. Of course the truth is he really only feels comfortable making speeches. He knows he is not very qualified to do much else. He must keep trying to recreate 2007 and 2008 with all the swooning teenagers in the audience. Those days are over.

PCP Smoker| 4.28.11 @ 8:51PM

Typical DC crap. He was down to more than 38% of the country believing he was not born in the country. In addition to the millions he has spent defending lawsuits. He won as much as a death row inmate wins the electric chair

rdman| 4.28.11 @ 11:43PM

I think this Birther stuff is a bunch of silliness, but nevertheless, I have to hand it to Trump... he really got under Obango's skin, causing Obango to again reveal his shallowness, thin-skin and brat petulance.

But what I really enjoy is watching Sarah Palin handling herself with dignity and class by appropriately ripping Obango's ideologies and failed policies, instead of attacking him personally, like Obango's petty, mean-spirited minions continue to attack her and her family.

Given Obango's latest economic results and circumstances, Palin's analyses and recommendations have been "right on the mark."

However, Trump's attack approach on Obango's egocentricity will likely cause him to "lose it" before anything Palin has to say about his failed policies... simply because he is an arrogant ignoramous without a management or executive clue, which is being revealed more and more each and every day...

Nite| 4.28.11 @ 11:50PM

Big question remains. Why did he spend millions of tax payer money on court cases to prevent the release of his BC? I don't think this is anything but a forgery. Obama also let Col. Larkin lose his pension and go to jail because he would not release the BC. I have no use whatever for Obama. He thinks he is a King rather than a President, and a poor one at that.

Morgan| 4.29.11 @ 12:37AM

In "The Lion in Winter", King Henry II has a verbal sparring session with King Philip of France and at the end says: "I found out the way your mind works and the kind of man you are. I know your plans and expectations - you've burbled every bit of strategy you've got. I know exactly what you will do, and exactly what you won't, and I've told you exactly nothing. To these aged eyes, boy, that's what winning looks like!"

Advantage, us. You need to bear in mind that the real Obama is finally coming to the surface. We know more and more about how his mind works and how he will handle things. We also know he is far from "unflappable" -- in poker terms, Trump has put Obama "on tilt" (means pretty much what it seems it would mean).

We don't have to pursue the "birther" issue to recognize that Obama is on the ropes and we hold the advantage because we know more and more about him, and therefore can figure out better and better what to do in confronting him, whatever the issue. Now the only question is whether conservative leadership will know what to do with this information.

gary siebel| 4.29.11 @ 12:43AM

Doubt that you will get to this one, 200- down.

But I would like to see Obama's college transcript, too, without the grades or any other data than dates of attendance, the class schedule for his last year, and the school holiday dates, for an entirely different reason than goofball Trump.

I don't think Obama has to release them -- did Bush? But they would help nail down the itinerary dates for his trip to Pakistan. He said he visited Pakistan on his way back from Indonesia, but it seems more likely it was the other way around, he visited Indonesia on his way back from Pakistan.

Students are always trying to arrange ways to get out early at the end of quarters, or semesters, so th transcripts will not necessarily be conclusive, but partridge hunts in Pakistan only occur around a certain time of the year. Obama revealed he had been to one while there.

Now, it seems likely he drove out to Baluchistan (was probably driven) for the hunt, since his hosts owned land there and he mentioned visiting Hyderabad, Pak, which is on the way. Air travel? Perhaps.

One of his college profs was quoted as saying Obama was shocked by what he saw there (it's changing, but still practically medieval with serfs tied to the land), and it was the season following that trip that he stopped smoking weed and got serious about school. Sounds like shock therapy to me.

Of further note, he decided he wanted to be called Barack when he got to Indonesia on that trip, which also suggests he visited Pak first.

It's not that huge of a deal now because he has proved, contrary to my expectations, a better war president than Bush. He may eventually declare victory and get out of Afghanistan, but for now he continues to kick ass with the awesome power of the US war machine (next big war, satellites will be the first targets -- mines have already been planted, I suspect).

He is not getting in the way of generals, unlike Cheney. But we still need a prez who understands the true adversarial nature of Islam, rather than the softened education he got from his wealthy hosts in Pakistan. The irony is that he was there, at the partridge hunt, not far from Quetta, which is almost the heart of darkness today, while the hostages were being held in Tehran. Bhutto was trying to change Pakistan then; his socialist platform could have been written in Berkeley -- except for the part about Islam.

Obama has political acumen, and is a good debater. His next major political move that will involve good timing: selling oil from the s. o. preserve, if necessary. If the oil companies try to jack him, hw can make a ton of money to help pay down the debt. Let's hope it doesn't go that far.

Dee See| 4.29.11 @ 6:07AM

Just months ago David Rockefeller called
publicly for MASSIVE and RAPID world
depopulation (ie genocide).

And yesterday

"It's NOW a certainty, the Fukishima
world radiation disaster is greater than
Chernobyl, in fact many times greater.
Fukishima is being covered up because
it's unparalleled. And cancer, afterall, is the perfect tool of 'depopulation (ie genocide)."
-ALAN WATT
(essential online coverage)

AGAIN

DO turn off the TV, radio, your PC and i-pod
----and listen!

Beyond the hiss of the microwaves!

---------------------------LISTEN-------------------------

---------------------------------Yuppie giggles!

REALLLLLLLLY

James Douglass | 4.29.11 @ 9:53AM

Donald Trump accomplished something that none of the "real" republicans could do; force Obama to produce something. The authenticity of which is now under scrutiny.
Donald Trump has warts all over him and those who have lived near his developments detest the man and his organization. Donald Trump is smarter than Barak Hussein Obama and his machine.
The minor pundits who have said recently that Trump was shown to be a fool, John Gibson of Fox comes to mind, are indeed the actual fools.
Score: Trump 1 Obama Ø .
What will "The Donald" do next. Who knows. The point is he has star power and finances to make things happen. The Republicans should be careful about dismissing him so blithely.
James Douglass
Garden City, Kansas

James Douglass | 4.29.11 @ 9:59AM

re: gary siebel
"It's not that huge of a deal now because he has proved, contrary to my expectations, a better war president than Bush. He may eventually declare victory and get out of Afghanistan, but for now he continues to kick ass with the awesome power of the US war machine (next big war, satellites will be the first targets -- mines have already been planted, I suspect)."
I hardly think our "Ditherer-in-Chief" qualifies in
any regard the accolades of that paragraph.
James Douglass
Garden City, Kansas

dbsdey| 4.29.11 @ 11:23AM

The birth certificate is a red herring. Obama has DUAL citizenship which is prohibited by the Constitution. The Constitution requires the President to be "natural" born which means TWO American parents. His father was Kenyan therefore, a British subject at the time of Obamas birth. The founders did not want the President to have divided loyalties thus the provision requiring the President to have both parents be American citizens.

Lisa| 4.29.11 @ 7:34PM

Can anyone explain why Obama was given a higher register number (those numbers on the right-hand corner) than the Nordyke twins, even though he was born at Kapi'olani the day before they were?

There are a few possible explainations:

Several serialized stacks of birth certificates may have been made available to different hospitals.

Obama's mother was admitted to the hospital after the twins' mother was admitted.

Obama's number is not a genuine registration number created in 1961, but was issued when the short-form document was generated during the presidential campaign.

Now, can anyone explain why Obama is doing everything except his job?!

There are no possible explainations.

Dee See| 4.30.11 @ 12:10AM

FINAL WORD

-------TRUMP is capstone a set-up-------

For What Its Worth| 4.30.11 @ 8:50AM

This has been an interesting topic of debate for several years now and as was pointed out in the article "sic, why now?". With his policies all but destroying the framework of our country (high unemployment, the leading edge of runaway inflation, the devaluation of the dollar, our rapidly declining quality of life and soon the bankruptcy of the nation that must surely follow, places us on a dismal trajectory that will resemble Soviet Russia in so many ways. Is it any wonder that the President is desperate to divert attention from the results of his labors on this destructive path? The birth certificate was nothing more than a political slight of hand by a deft politician (note, I do not refer to him as a "Statesman". When this president waves one hand for all to see, you best believe that the other hand is doing the dirty work necessary to destroy this once great nation. He is much to intelligent to not understand simple economics therefore we must surmise that his true goal is being met at the expense of the American people. Thank you Bill Ayers, Rev Wright, Saul Allinski, Karl Marx, Antonio Gramsci, the Hegelian dialectic, the looney left and the Frankfurt school! The sixties generation has learned their taskings well and are now following through by co-opting our educational system, building an unholy alliance with GE, GMC, Chrysler (you know, beware the military/industrial compex, etc. (see Atlas Shrugged - great movie) and generally following the brainwashing regimen set in place just prior to the Great Society! I know that this probably sounds like a stretch but it is all verifiable and true.

Richard Baker| 4.30.11 @ 9:24AM

Amazing how Trump was able to move the Kenyan off-center on his birth certificate. Now, we have questions about the document's authenticity. Can you imagine the hue and cry if this was W's? But of course, we're talking about The Messiah, aren't we? Maybe his birth was Immaculate.

firebrand| 5.1.11 @ 4:41AM

Obama announced his birth certificate "news" on April 27 because most of his comedy material at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, April 30 was based on his birth certificate. You don't think the opening video with the pulsating, flying birth certificate and the Lion King Baby cartoon bit was last minute, do you?

Is the "important stuff" Obama needs to tend to, rehearsing for a stand-up gig at a dinner for his toadies?

Obama may have made a serious mistake in humiliating Donald Trump or we may see the stuff Donald Trump is really made of. All hairspray and brag. I am praying for a Trump Rumble! God, I hope he is not all wind-up and no pitch.

It was interesting watching the Correspondents clapping like trained seals and laughing like hyenas.

firebrand| 5.1.11 @ 5:02AM

About school transcripts - I read somewhere, some time back that it has never been made clear that Obama actually attended Columbia - and if so, WHICH Columbia, as there are two or three - Columbia University, Columbia College and one other.

A man who graduated from Columbia University the same year Obama was said to have - was asked to be speaker at the 20th Class Reunion. (The year Obama presumably got his degree) He expressed wonder that he had been asked, when there was a much more distinguished graduate (if he did) in the President of the United States. This man says no one at the Class Reunion remembered ever seeing Obama, he was in no one's class and his picture is not in the Year Book.

Isn't that something one would remember? Tall skinny guy, bi-racial (or black, if you prefer) big ears, funny name. Wouldn't there be a lot of "Yeah, I sat next to Obama - we called him Barry back then - in "Homeroom". He called it Homie room.
No instructor claims to have taught him at Columbia. Or so the story goes.

Maybe when his polls go lower, he will have a party on the South Lawn for all his Columbia classmates.
As soon as he hires some from Central Casting.

firebrand| 5.1.11 @ 5:34AM

For Larry - re CT birth certificate. With Obama who knows reasons for anything but his Grandma "volunteered" in Hawaii in a government office where she dealt with Social Security cards, numbers - - possibly she had access to numbers no longer in use because of death and Barry needed one. It isn't the only one he has, according to other stories.

WE swallowed it all, hook, line and sinker once, WE can do it again. (We does not include me)

Volunteered? that's how the story goes. But this was a woman who gave up a VP job in a bank in WA to be a bank teller in Hawaii.

Lots of career opportunities in Hawaii back them. In 1952 my husband was offered a teaching job there. Included housing with no running water as a "perk". We came to SF instead.

The Dunhams were an adventurous bunch - little Stanley Ann was graduating from high school and they were off to Hawaii where she would find true - if temporary love - and a baby just a year later - if we can believe the dates.

Maybe in the beginning Obama just didn't want us to know his mama got pregnant before she was married to a Kenyan who already had a wife and a flock of kids back in Africa. Barack, Jr. has eleven half brothers and sisters. Did you know that?

Maybe he didn't want us to be thinking too much about Obama Sr., who, it now appears was asked by Harvard to take a hike - go home and write his thesis - because no one wanted to fund him anymore, as he had now taken up with another (caucasian) woman on the east coast. A Ruth Nides who now runs a little school in Nairobi and is mother to a couple of Barry's half-siblings.

We all know there is more than a birth certificate to worry about here. But in November 2012 we will take the IDIOT CENSUS again - and see if he is still the PEOPLE'S CHOICE.

investorcs| 5.1.11 @ 8:58AM

For anyone who has expertise with Photoshop, it is now apparent that the vile Obama's long form birth certificate he just released is a fake. As but one example, see Tickerguy: 1, ObaBots: 0
.

Obama has presented a forged document and claimed it is genuine. In other words, he has lied. As a matter of fact, he has lied all along for almost two years about previously provided information being the long-form birth certificate, which as per this latest release proves he was making false statements. Clinton was impeached not over his sexual escapades per se, but because he lied. In the same way, Obama must be impeached for lying incessantly and repeatedly about this issue.

RCV| 5.1.11 @ 12:24PM

You guys are truly nuts

Rancorous Calumny Vituperation| 5.3.11 @ 2:59PM

I don't bother with silly sanctimonious distinctions on being truly nuts AFTER they're born matters.

john dubose| 5.1.11 @ 12:51PM

The poll that saw great support for Trump likely polled a lot of people who

1. Were not really Republican primary voters
2. Did not know that he had given a bunch of money to liberal dem politicians.

When this reaches the Rep part of the electorate his support will drop like a rock and stay near zero. This is all spring fever.

firebrand| 5.1.11 @ 1:25PM

YES, RICHARD BAKER,
THE IMMACULATE DECEPTION

oldbiker1| 5.2.11 @ 2:27AM

Trump is no dummy - he knows how to make things work well, especially in the business world. I've been voting since 1960 and I'm tired of politicians -- I'd like to see what a non-politician could do with our set of problems. Trump is obviously a problem-solver, otherwise he wouldn't be worth billions, which he earned himself. He figured out how to make that money -- it wasn't handed to him. Obama is going to have a billion dollars handed to him to get re-elected. Trump's the only guy who has the money to go up against the Obama money machine.

daddio| 5.2.11 @ 2:14PM

Has anyone downloaded the birth certificate from the WH website and opened it in Illustrator? There are all sorts of layers in it, with things that can be added and turned off. Wonder why no one is discussing this? It appears to be crafted by an amateur.

FLIT ANDERSEN| 5.16.11 @ 6:14AM

Still one has to wonder...with the 2008 Presidency on the line - remember, until the "Great Carter Collapse / October-Surprise-in-September" the race was neck-and-neck with the Old Man - all Obama had to do to scoop up a winning majority of votes was produce the paper. Instead, he spent millions in court to hide it.
Somebody is going to HAVE to explain this to me, because I can't see how this makes any sense to somebody who A.) has nothing to hide & B.) doesn't know the Collapse is coming.
I still believe there at least WAS a problem that Obama didn't bother to address until now. I know a lot of Lib's are going to laugh, but any President who can't fake up a birth certificate doesn't deserve to be in office.
By the way, Obama made a point of blaming "government" ("We all know how long these things can take...") for how long this took to clear up, when all anyone had to do was refer to the birth registry that every maternity ward keeps handy. Date, time, mothers name & sex of baby. Would have told us something, right? And we would have know it in a few hours.

What up, wi' dat, homes?

Creative Recreation | 8.10.11 @ 9:39PM

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