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Father, Son, Which One Will Run?

By Fred Lucas on 4.15.11 @ 6:09AM

Who’ll be the right Paul for President in 2012?

Donald Trump was wrong when he said Ron Paul “has just zero chance of getting elected.” When the buzz about Trump’s presidential campaign dies down, it’s quite possible that Ron Paul — if he runs in 2012 — would outperform Trump in the long run.

While he does not have a good chance of getting elected, it’s better than zero. The Texas Congressman gained a higher delegate count than heavyweights like Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson in the 2008 Republican primary. He placed second in Idaho, Indiana, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania and South Dakota. As for experience in “getting elected,” Paul has won 12 terms to the House of Representatives, three of those times as a non-incumbent.

Unless lightning strikes, Paul will not be the 2012 GOP presidential nominee, despite his rabidly enthusiastic following, adept fundraising skills and name recognition from his 2008 campaign. But he has won the unscientific Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) straw poll two consecutive years, beating out Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin.

He has thus far been unclear as to whether he would make another run for the office he sought first as the Libertarian Party nominee in 1988, then as the only anti-Iraq war candidate in the GOP primary 20 years later. Even family members are apparently uncertain.

Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky doesn’t know what his father’s intentions are, only that “he sure seems to be going to New Hampshire and Iowa a lot. So we’ll see what that indicates.” Then again, Rand Paul has visited Iowa and South Carolina. What does that indicate?

“I’ve told people basically the only thing I’ve decided is that I would not run against my dad. I figure that since he is my landlord, that’s the least I can do,” joked the senator.

But on a more serious note, the younger Paul added, “I do want to be part of the process. If my dad shouldn’t run, I’ve told people that I will entertain the thought of running, because I think the tea party needs to have a voice at the table.”

“No matter who’s running, I do want to participate in some way or fashion, in determining who the nominee is,” Rand Paul continued. “If that means running personally or actually trying to help a candidate who I think can really articulate our message, I think that hasn’t been decided yet.”

At 75, it is logical to believe Ron Paul might be ready to pass the torch. The question is whether Rand Paul, in the first year of his first term as a U.S. senator is ready. The younger Paul did manage to deliver much of his father’s message in a more pragmatic way and won a statewide office which his father never has.

Regardless of which Paul runs for president, voters will decide if either or neither is the right man for the job. But for now, Rand may be the right Paul for the 2012 campaign.

Although his 2010 campaign was not gaffe free, the younger Paul is a savvy candidate. In the GOP primary, Paul trounced Kentucky Secretary of State Trey Grayson, the handpicked candidate of Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, who practically built the modern Republican Party in the Bluegrass state. In November, Paul won a decisive victory over Kentucky’s Attorney General Jack Conway, despite an ugly smear campaign by Democrats.

On April 2, Rand Paul was the keynote speaker at the “Night of the Rising Stars” event in Des Moines, Iowa, sponsored by the Iowa Republican Party.

“It’s not enough just to be a Republican,” Sen. Paul told the Iowa crowd. “It’s not enough just for the Republican party to exist. Political parties are empty vessels unless we imbue them with values. We have to stand for something, and we have to mean it.”

These are the kind of words that get the conservative base fired up, particularly after House Speaker John Boehner struck a deal with the Democrats to avert a government shutdown that many conservatives and tea partiers don’t find very satisfactory.

Earlier this year, Rand Paul proposed an unrealistic budget proposal of $500 billion in cuts that would among other things eliminate the Department of Housing and Urban Development and the Department of Education. Good policy, but not something that could ever pass in Washington. That’s not the point. The point was to propose a budget as it should be given the fiscal crisis.

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Dee See| 4.15.11 @ 6:38AM

We want to throw it to Paul, we really do
---BUT honestly, as the nation must rouse
itself from over half a century of Rockefeller/Ford/Carnegie/GATES 'social
engineering' (i.e. social subversion at the
service of Globalism and EUGENICS) ---is this the best
we can find?

"----What is America anyway?" surely, the
next catch all response as stealth NAU a-MAL-game-ation rockets forward ----unchallenged.

The ideal would be a no nonsense, forthright
Teddy Roosevelt sort.

NOT the real Roosevelt
who, it turns out, was a Progressivist front
for the banksters and the globalism of his day,
but the essense of what his handlers were
drawing on.

He'll have to have the stuff to take on the corruption, indeed, the almost century long
legacy of TREASON within the ranks of the
'benny violent' 'charitable' foundations.

He'll have to, absolutely have to, call for
something like retroactive impeachment of
our last 4 administrations.

He'll have to have the nerve to abolish the FED
and write off the 1 and a half quadrillion in
fake derivatives.

He'll have to face RED China and default on
that equally BOGUS debt (GATT gave them
our economy at OUR expense!)

He'll have to have the nerve to call out franchise
slum Hollywood and media for their 3 decades
and more of enabling concealment of the
RED Chinese Halocaust.

America, history, our self-respect and humanity demand it.

He'll have to.

Really, there is no more talking or quipping.

Our country has been, and is being profoundly
and deliberatedly betrayed ---'by design'.

Another round of squalid, unaccountable biz-nihilist values is suicide.

Anyone researching these matters with a non
bought off, non-programmed mind must admit,
the evidence, and the signs on the ground, are
truly OVERWHELMING.

They have to.

LiveFreeOrDie| 4.15.11 @ 4:57PM

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why not both? Paul/Paul in 2012?

Margie| 4.17.11 @ 1:56PM

Because they're weak.
You preach about the Republican leadership being weak and insult & demean those of us who back their efforts?
Yet these two men would be a flaming disaster for the country.
WEAK on terror. WEAK on the military.
WEAK WEAK WEAK!

Clint| 4.17.11 @ 3:18PM

Spoken like The Israel Firster Chickenhawk Traitor, You Are Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie.

LiveFreeOrDie| 4.18.11 @ 12:42AM

Hey Marge if Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination you would vote for him or no?

Margie| 4.19.11 @ 8:47PM

I've said it before. Yes, I would.
The same reason I would vote for ANY Republican.
To defeat the Democrats and their henchmen.
So, I'm not a RINO.
I'm a Republican in action.
Unlike those who are purists, and won't vote for the 'R' unless they agree with everything in their own personal agenda.
So~ would you vote for Romney or Huckabee or any other Republican, or would you write in your brother-in-law on the ballot and truly be a RINO!!!
LOL. :^)
God bless ya, LiveFreeOrDie!

figusja| 4.15.11 @ 7:24AM

You bring up good points. But right now we need someone who will be Just as charismatic as the president.
We need someone who can fight the spending when he gets in. That is the minimum to be done. He or she will be unable to do all the things you said at all because of the career politicians. The Dems and Republicans are cut from the same sheet. They answer to the bankers and businessmen who fund their re-elections. No ticket no worky. No politician is going to kill anything that will hurt their masters. DO NOT be fooled! Congress only answers to their banker bosses. All we can do and hope for is 1. Prove or dis prove that Obama Hussein is a citizen. 2. Win the Presidency for the Tea Party. 3. Cut the deficit.

I only added the birther thing because if Obama is not a native born American. All the laws, bills, and regulations he enacted through HIS (not my) white house will be null and void. You have to show your social security card to get a job in McDonalds but not for the most (or used to be the most) powerful position in American/World? Is that not weird. Why hide it? Why make people wonder about your religious beliefs and birth?

That is the most we can hope for. We might not even get that. The GOP is corrupt. Tea Party take over is what I say. NO THIRD PARTY!!!!!!!!!!

Teaghan| 4.15.11 @ 12:12PM

Neither of these men could or would deliver us the White House. They may have some good ideas, but they have no stage presence and as sad as this is to say, it is important. I mean, look what we have at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave now!
He has or did have something that appealed to folks.

s bennett| 4.15.11 @ 7:28AM

Herman Cain and Paul Ryan-think about it.

C Bowen| 4.15.11 @ 9:58AM

I thought about it, and two Pro-TARP candidates makes no sense.

DG in GA| 4.15.11 @ 11:22AM

Paul Ryan doesn't WANT it - at least not right now. So we can dream, but we can't have it - not now.

idalily| 4.15.11 @ 1:12PM

I pray he changes his mind. Paul Ryan could beat Obama, hands down.

figusja| 4.15.11 @ 7:44AM

That would give us some of the black vote. Or at least the hard working black vote. The leeches and moochers(lazy suck ups) will still vote for Hussein. And Ryan could bring in the Tea Party vote. Unbeatable!!!!

JimH| 4.15.11 @ 8:05AM

Palin/Paul or Paul/Palin. Doesn't matter which and would really piss off a lot of people.

idalily| 4.15.11 @ 1:13PM

Neither is electable. Alas.

Ryan| 4.15.11 @ 8:14AM

I always thought that pols like the Pauls can better serve in Congress. Particularly Ron - he's got very good seniority and is in a nice Chairmanship spot.

They have a lot of good things to say, but I don't know if they are the type of people who need to be in THAT leadership position.

bill| 4.15.11 @ 8:21AM

Once again Ron Paul is marginalized even though the whole tea party thing and his son elected senator is because of him. Why is this? I guess if it is said enough times that he cannot win ppeople will believe it. That's how effectively the people have been brainwashed. I for one think for myself and have listened to and researched Ron Paul. There is not a person better than Ron Paul or more qaulified to be the President.

DG in GA| 4.15.11 @ 11:23AM

Bill, Ron Paul is marginalized because sometimes when he speaks he sounds like he is NUTS!!!

As for Rand Paul, he hasn't been around long enough (I know, I know, Obama was even LESS qualified, but does that make it right?). I'm not saying that Rand Paul doesn't have a future, but not in 2012.

Robert| 4.15.11 @ 12:03PM

Yes, and to the members of a cannibalistic society, the man who suggests a change in diet also sounds NUTS. In other words, the rest of you are so wrong, anyone who is right comes across to you as a lunatic.

The reason Ron is hated by the Republican establishment, and by neo-con talk radio babblers, is because he shows them for the phonies, frauds and ignoramuses they are. His presence is a constant, embarrassing reminder of just how foolish, venal and irresponsible they have been.

Occam's Tool| 4.15.11 @ 3:23PM

Either one running would be an April 20th event. Yecchh.

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 7:57AM

"Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country."
-Ronald Reagan

Margie| 4.17.11 @ 1:57PM

Said in 1976~
LOL!

Clint| 4.17.11 @ 3:16PM

The Israel Firster Traitor Chickenhawk Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie Laughs at Ronald Reagan's Words.

Actually, Israel Firster Traitor Chickenhawk Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie, Ronald Reagan's Quote was Endorsing Congressman Ron Paul And It has just as much validity today, as Your Bible Quotes do.

Margie| 4.19.11 @ 8:48PM

OOps, sorry, you're wrong.

God never changes.

People do.

Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 4.15.11 @ 8:51AM

Rand Paul may not run this time but by 2016 the nation will need him or someone like him.

Len| 4.15.11 @ 8:53AM

Here is the thing with a Ron Paul in the OO, as the only one in DC that actually bothers abiding by the (discarded) US constitution, he will veto anything that violates it and will not attempt to legislate through regulation by the executive branch as presidents have doing.

Domestically - While conservatives give lip service to the US constitution they really ignore it for what is their version of limited government and overlay that on the US constitution. Here is an example, HR5 which under the guise of the Commerce Clause would take tort issues away from the states and regulate health care and place it in the hands of the federal government is being co-sponsored by a number of republicans including Michelle Bachmann. Now why do I bring up Bachmann? Well, she is considered by some a good presidential candidate and as someone who is actually a "consitutional" conservative, yet she is sponsoring what is really an egregious violation of the USC. Would I rather have her than say my own rep Van Hollen? Sure, but the point is that Ron Paul alone knows the US constitution and bothers to abide by it.

Internationally - Now everyone clamors that the man is weak and doesn't want a strong military, but these claims cannot be reconciled with the fact that the US constitution empowers the congress and not the president to provide for and direct the military, unless actually attacked, under imminent threat or already at war declared by the congress. In other words Ron Paul would do what he is supposed, and that is let the congress

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal,

To raise and support Armies

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers

figusja| 4.15.11 @ 8:58AM

And this is a bad thing?

Len| 4.15.11 @ 9:05AM

Umm, did it seem like I was saying that is was bad? I don't think I'm that poor of a communicator, but let me know.

My point is that if conservatives really believe that the US constitution is to be adhered to why would they support anyone other than Ron Paul? I find that many voice their support for it but have never bothered actually studying it.

For instance Ken has already called them doofuses, but claims to support the US constitution???

Vern Crisler | 4.15.11 @ 9:34AM

Ron Paul would be a disaster. He blames terrorism on the fact that we are "over there." In reality terrorism is caused by the fact that we are "over here."

Len| 4.15.11 @ 9:43AM

We are over there, and we have been bullying countries over there and using the CIA to support our favorite dictator, but folks like I really don't care about, you'll stick to your narrative, deny any wrongdoing on our part, and say of course it's because they're crazy muslims that they attack us. No denying that the muslim culture inculcates violence, but why poke the bear?

Perhaps (sarcastic "perhaps") if our constitution had been adhered to, we wouldn't have our military over there doing things beyond common defense.

Of course you just want to skip the constitutional argument and malign a man on your view ..YOUR VIEW..of why the US is not liked by muslims. For those with open minds, there is the 9/11 report (among others), or even neocon central, National Review Online has Andrew McCarthy.

Vern Crisler | 4.15.11 @ 10:40PM

One can disagree about foreign policy decisions. It's possible, for instance, that the Iraq war was a mistake, and maybe even Afghanistan. Wiser historians than we are will have to decide those issues in the future.

However, Ron Paul and his ilk do not blame America first, or oppose American war, just from pragmatic reasons. They oppose the use of American power because they oppose the very idea of a state. They are in essence anarchists. Thus, their opposition to American foreign policy does not grow out of the Constitution or out of a pragmatic or cautious foreign policy mindset, but grows out of their ideological commitment to libertarian purism.

That is why they say we are the cause of why they hate us. It is the same excuse used by those who attack Israel. Blame Israel first and blame American first is simply blaming the victim for provoking the victimizer.

It takes a perverse political and moral vision to adopt such a view, and that's why I think Ron Paul and his minions, if they ever achieve power, will be a disaster for this country.

Margie| 4.15.11 @ 10:47PM

Oh man, do I thank you for this precise explanation. I am saving it in my archives and may I use it in the future if you don't mind?

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 3:48AM

Ronald Reagan:
" If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path."

Vern Crisler | 4.16.11 @ 11:36AM

It's why I use the term PURIST libertarians, or libertarian PURISM. I'm not talking about Hayek, et al., but rather the Murray Rothbard, Lew Rockwell loons. Recently the Lew Rockwell site published Rothbard's screed on Reagan, which was a sustained exercise in vitriol directed against Reagan. It was just about as bad as their hatred for Abraham Lincoln, so at least Reagan was in good company.

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 3:57PM

You're full of horse crap there Vern Baby. There are at least 10 different type of Libertarians and , as Ronald Reagan also said,"Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country."
Ronald Reagan Endorsed Dr.Ron Paul.

Dr.Ron Paul is a Constitutional Libertarian And If You got a problem with Dr.Ron Paul then,We Tea Party Patriots And Ronald Reagan Got A Problem With You Vern.

The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates

Carpe Diem.

Vern Crisler | 4.16.11 @ 8:52PM

Ronald Reagan was always too nice. BTW, there's no such thing as a "Constitutional Libertarian." The "libertarians" of the day favored the Articles of Confederation, not the Constitution. They were known as anti-Federalists.

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 9:58PM

Do Your Homework .
Libertarian conservatism (also known as "conservative libertarianism", "constitutional libertarianism" or "right-libertarianism") describes certain political ideologies that melds libertarian and conservative ideas, often called "fusionism".

RCV| 4.16.11 @ 11:35PM

Vern - thanks for the concise and cogent analysis of the Libertarian core views. While they pretend to be Constitutionalists, they in fact view any organized government as inherently coercive and therefore evil. They are anarchists, pure and simple, and like Marxists, share the utopian and ludicrous goal of the state just withering away.

Midcity| 4.17.11 @ 4:41AM

Why is it so common for people to put words in others mouths? I've watched dozens and dozens of speeches and interviews of Ron Paul. I've read two of his books, he does not advocate anarchy. It's as foolish as Trump with his birther nonsense.

Paul want's smaller gov't, limited gov't, and state first goverment. His policies over the last 20 years would have been far better for the nation than any we've gotten from Bushes, Clinton, or Obama.

The comments that he sounds nuts or isn't eloquent enough at also bogus as we're all seen clips of Obama and Bush saying idiotic things as well.

I voted for him in 2008, if he chooses to run, I'll campaign for him in the next cycle.

Clint| 4.17.11 @ 8:53AM

ObamaBoy RCV- You're Full Of Horse Crap Too.

Do Your Homework ObamaBoy RCV.

There are at least 10 different types of libertarians & shades of Libertarians between them, from Fiscal Libertarians,to Civil Libertarians, to Neolibertarians, to Classical Liberals, to To Paleolibertarians, etc.

The Tea party Rebellion Escalates.

Carpe Diem.

Reprobate Charlatan Vomitus| 4.17.11 @ 2:49PM

I don't bother with silly democracy is tyranny and abortion is killing on sanctimonious constitutional scholar and real Christian love expert matters.

Robert| 4.15.11 @ 12:17PM

Ron Paul is right, and even the CIA agrees with him. So does the 9/11 Commission report. Robert Pape wrote an entire book ("Dying to Win") examining every recorded incident of suicide terrorism, and found that the common link between all of them is foreign occupation, not religion (Buddhist Sri Lanka has had the greatest incidence of suicide terrorism).

I know, conservative blowhards don't read books. Easier to chant, "U-S-A! U-S-A!" Those towel heads should be grateful when we incinerate their children, right?

Ryan| 4.15.11 @ 3:45PM

That has the underlying assumption that foreign occupation (which is probably an overstatement at times) is unjustified.

Robert| 4.15.11 @ 4:58PM

So, try to justify it then.

Anyway, I don't know of any American housewife who wakes up in the morning and thinks, "Gee, I'd like our boys to invade Djibouti!" The war state is of no benefit to the public at large, who have to be hooked in by lying, inflammatory propaganda. It is, as Medal of Honor recipient Major General Smedley Butler said, "a racket."

Clint| 4.15.11 @ 9:04PM

"Michael Scheuer, who was the head analyst at the CIA’s bin Laden unit, Alec Station, and authored the books Through Our Enemies Eyes and Imperial Hubris, said “I thought Mr. Paul captured it the other night exactly correctly. This war is dangerous to America because it’s based, not on gender equality, as Mr. Giuliani suggested, or any other kind of freedom, but simply because of what we do in the Islamic World â€“ because ‘we’re over there,’ basically, as Mr. Paul said in the debate.”

Scheuer also agreed with Dr. Paul’s statement in the debate that the war in Iraq was a diversion from capturing or killing Osama bin Laden and that bin Laden was “delighted” that the U.S. is occupying Iraq as it has become a training ground and recruiting tool for new jihadists joining the movement."

Dr.Ron Paul is a Tea Party Co-Favorite with Sarah Palin.

The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.

Rise Up.

RCV| 4.16.11 @ 1:13PM

The latest GOP Presidential poll numbers from RealClear Politics, summarizing all polling to date:

Huckabee 18.0
Romney 16.4
Trump 15.7
Palin 11.8
Gingrich 10.0
Ron Paul 6.0
Bachman 4.3
Pawlenty 3.6
Daniels 3.0
Santorum 2.2

I don't think you're going to be seeing Ron Paul at the head of the GOP ticket, Tim**

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 4:13PM

Gee, ObamaBoy RCV, I don't think We'll Be Seein' Your Peter Principle Leaderless Leader Obama at the head of The GOP Ticket Either. Obama has lost the Majority in Every Single Income Category of The Voters.

Aaaand while We Tea Party Patriots aren't demanding that The House Financial Committee's House Monetary Chairman Dr.Ron Paul runs, it appears He's ready to throw his hat in the ring & is already collecting funds.

The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.

Carpe Diem.

RCV| 4.16.11 @ 4:57PM

Really, Tim? That's a brilliant observation: that Obama is unlikely to get the GOP nomination! I can see why you're attracted to "Dr. Ron Paul". By the way, unless you're seeing him for gynecological problems, it's not necessary to address him as "Dr.".

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 10:06PM

Really, ObamaBoy RCV I can see you're attracted to The Tax-Slave Master Barack Obama & The Obama Health Scam.
By The Way, if you're seeing Obama for any reason , it's necessary for You ObamaBoys to address Him as Slave Master.

Ken (Old Texican)| 4.15.11 @ 8:56AM

Fred,
who cares? They are both doofuses.
Bill HO
2016 is just too damned late.

William R| 4.15.11 @ 10:28AM

Ken, you've got to stop talking about yourself like that.

Occam's Tool| 4.15.11 @ 3:24PM

William,

You are not fit to wash Ken's dirty jockstraps. With your tongue.

Robert| 4.15.11 @ 4:59PM

The Mark Levin/Sean Hannity school of argumentation.

Ned the Red| 4.15.11 @ 9:02AM

The third Paul. Paul Ryan da man.

Robert| 4.15.11 @ 12:52PM

You mean the Paul Ryan who voted for Medicare Part D, the largest expansion of entitlements since the Great Society, and the largest unfunded liability in all of government? Real deficit hawk.

Midcity| 4.17.11 @ 4:44AM

No. I'd take either Ron or Rand over Ryan anyday.

Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 4.15.11 @ 9:26AM

Here's a link to an interview with Trump on Hannity. He calls for the death penalty for terrorists. How many Republicans do you hear stating that?

http://freedomslighthouse.net/.....1-day-one/

Robert| 4.15.11 @ 1:00PM

Nothing gets the Republican base going like some bloodlust. Kill anyone the administration labels a "terrorist." Forget about a trial, or having to produce evidence of guilt – those are pinko inventions to protect evildoers. Even a military trial (aka kangaroo court) is too much. Kill, kill! Jesus would approve, for sure.

skip| 4.15.11 @ 1:50PM

Republican 'bloodlust'. Got it.

"Kill, kill! Jesus would approve, for sure." I get it.

Can you opine on democratics and bloodlust and Jesus and abortion as well?

Robert| 4.15.11 @ 2:17PM

Sure. In practice, the Democrats are just as bad as, or worse than, the Republicans on war and civil liberties. They tend not to brag about it, though. That would be unseemly.

As for abortion, when Bush was President and the Republicans controlled Congress (2005-2006), Planned Parenthood received $305 million from the government. In 2005 alone, Planned Parenthood performed 264,943 abortions.

P.S. Not every critic of the Republicans is a Democrat.

Rats Carry Vermin| 4.15.11 @ 2:47PM

Huh. Got it.

Too bad this misunderstanding could have been avoided if you would have included the just as bad democrats in your diatribe in the first place.

This thread keeps smelling more and more reprobate and charlatan. Not to mention rancid and contemptible, venal and vile too.

Robert| 4.15.11 @ 3:02PM

The Democrats are not the topic. And anyway, it's not my fault that you are so mindlessly tribalistic as to identify with a political party, and feel the need to defend it from criticism -- badly, I might add, because there is no argument in your vitriol.

Reprobate Charlatan Vitriol| 4.15.11 @ 3:17PM

I don't bother with silly vitriolic arguments when sanctimoniously arguing vitriolically on vitriolic argumentative sanctimonious matters.

RCV 12.7.10 @ 6:27pm:

"At least, skippie, I belong to a party that cares about human beings AFTER they're born."

RCV 10.23.10 @ 9:30pm:

"I abhor sanctimonious conservatism of the tea party brand, an ideology wholly lacking in intelligence or a shred of real Christian love and compassion."

Occam's Tool| 4.15.11 @ 3:26PM

Check out "Tul Karem." As in Lunch in Tul Karem.

The Battle of Lepanto had a whole lot to do with Christian aggression, of course.

Dustoff| 4.15.11 @ 9:39AM

Please.... the dem's would tear him apart. The 911 truther mess is a rope around his neck and he has never walked away from that group or Alex Jones.
The MSN would be 7/24 on this guy.

Len| 4.15.11 @ 9:44AM

So yes or no do you support a man (the only one) who adheres to the US constitution?

Ned the Red| 4.15.11 @ 9:43AM

I'd rather take a dump than a Trump.

idalily| 4.15.11 @ 1:15PM

Trump needs to sit down and shut up. The last thing we need is another Perot to split the vote and he is threatening to run as an Indie if he doesn't win the R primary.

Matthew Quigley| 4.15.11 @ 9:57AM

Neither Ron nor Rand for president. Rand would make a far better Senate leader (hell, my dog would be better than McConnell!), and Ron should be moved to a House leadership position.

This is a BIG problem for Conservatives: We always seem to want a great presidential candidate, while ignoring the simple fact that a president's ideas have to be enacted by the legislative branch, thus we need CONSERVATIVE leaders in the House and Senate...not just RINO's with seniority.

DG in GA| 4.15.11 @ 11:30AM

Matthew, you are absolutely right! The Republican Party has allowed the Cocktail (Establishment) Party Republicans to "grant" candidacies based on seniority for far too long. They choose candidates because "it's HIS TURN" instead of choosing the person who would be best for the country. This is how we end up with a crappy candidate like McCain - because the Cocktail Party wanted Romney - for some reason, it was HIS TURN. Now they seem poised to do the same thing on 2012.

The Tea Party needs to show the Cocktail Party that they (the CP) are DONE. We need to have a candidate who speaks (eloquently) for us, and who will live up to his/her campaign promises.

Unfortunately, Ron Paul has already been so marginalized by his own words and by the media that he is a non-starter for President. He and his son need to get firmly behind a Tea Party candidate so we can squash Romney and Pawlenty and the other RINOS who seem to be running.

Dixie Pixie| 4.15.11 @ 10:01AM

Has the Conservatives sunk so low as to take political advice from Donald Trump?

Of course, this election cycle is Ron Paul best chance at the Presidency.
He could also win despite Trumps badmouthing the political opposition.

Rand Paul should stay in the Senate for at lest one term to gain experience and to build a reputation.

William R| 4.15.11 @ 10:41AM

One the them needs to run just so when it comes to foreign policy we won't just hear about the need for fighting endless war in the Middle East.

With the rise of the NeoCons over the past decade the entire foreign policy debate has revolved around hyper interventionism. There's nothing conservative about it.

Margie| 4.15.11 @ 12:44PM

The problem with either one of them is that they are open about their disdain for America. (Ron more so).

Ron Paul has openly blamed terrorism on America. Look it up on good old You Tube. His exact words were, "They're terrorists because of us!"

I don't care HOW financially astute an individual may be. Fiscal responsibility ALONE does NOT a conservative make.

Robert| 4.15.11 @ 1:19PM

Margie, he blamed the foreign policy of the U.S. government – its bombings, sanctions, occupations, coups and support for brutal dictators. That is not the same as blaming "America." And he is right. See my reply to Vern above.

By the way, you misquoted Ron Paul in addition to misrepresenting his position. Try to be more honest next time.

Rats Carry Vermin| 4.15.11 @ 1:55PM

Anyone else smell reprobate charlatan?

Robert| 4.15.11 @ 3:21PM

He who smelt it, dealt it.

Reprobate Charlatan Vitriol| 4.15.11 @ 4:11PM

I don't bother with silly sanctimonious real Christian love and constitution hypocrisies on flatulence matters.

RCV 10.23.10 @ 9:30 pm:

"I abhor sanctimonious conservatism of the tea party brand, an ideology wholly lacking in intelligence or a shred of real Christian love and compassion."

RCV 12.7.10 @ 6:27 pm:

"At least, skippie, I belong to a party that cares about human beings AFTER they're born."

RCV 4.15.11 @ 3:21 pm:

"He who smelt it dealt it."

Robert| 4.15.11 @ 4:48PM

What's with all the quotations?

RCV| 4.15.11 @ 5:08PM

He's confusing you with me. Skip isn't the brightest bulb in the pack as you can see.

Robert| 4.15.11 @ 5:11PM

Indeed! Thanks for the clarification.

Reprobate Charlatan Vomitus| 4.17.11 @ 2:27PM

I don't bother with silly deceptions when being sanctimonious on complex and important and difficult science and bulb luminosity matters.

RCV 12.10.10 7:06 pm:
(commenting on the petition just four sentences in length at www.petitionproject.com signed by 31,487 scientists refuting manmade global warming)

"I don't sign silly petitions on science matters, and know enough to understand how deeply divided real scientists are on the causes and implications of, and responses to, climate change"

skip 12.10.10 7:37 pm:

"...said the monumental hypocrite and testament to idiocy who when asked about the petition at (petitionproject website), where thirty one thousand four hundred eighty seven scientists of various disciplines of physics thoroughly debunked manmade global warming responded by posting and I quote

"I don't sign silly petitions on science matters""

skip 12.10.10 8:04 pm:

" The 31,487 signers aren't geniuses like you, they are all actual scientists who provide their degrees, disciplines, and institutions who degreed them.

The deeply divided scientists you referred to on manmade global warming, oops, global warming, whoops, climate change, you refer to are the aforementioned 31,487 actual scientists, versus the 2,500 publicly humiliated and exposed fraudulent political appointees of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change."

RCV 12.10.10 10:04 pm:

"Let's also take a poll of scientists on evolution and see if they give their credentials the weight they deserve.

You are a very shallow thinker, Skippy, and an even nastier person."

skip 12.11.10 12:23 am:

"...said the idiot who when asked about the petition at (petitionproject website) where 31,487 real scientists (as opposed to the 2,500 frauds and political hacks at the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) give their bonafides and thoroughly debunk manmade global warming, responded:

"I don't sign silly petitions on science matters."

I am not making this up. Scroll up to his eminently brilliant post of 7:06pm."

RCV 12.11.10 2:02 am:

"I don't sign silly petitions like that, because there's no point to it. What are my own views on climate change, if you really want to know...

...I could go on, but there's no point to do so. Thess issues are complex and important and difficult. If younthink (sic) signing the four-sentence petition would be helpful, be my guest."

Occam's Tool| 4.15.11 @ 3:28PM

Uh, huh.

I keep forgetting how Democratic the Arabs are when they vote in free elections, Robert.

Ron Paul takes donations from StormFront. Document your denial of that. I didn't think you could, because it's true.

Robert| 4.15.11 @ 4:35PM

Still no substantive argument from you regarding U.S. foreign policy. Why not just admit Ron Paul is right and be done with it?

Ron Paul doesn't screen his donors, and neither does anyone else running for office. "But he should return a donation if he finds out it came from Stormfront!" cries the herd. What for? He didn't solicit donations from them, nor is racism a part of his political program. Better for him to have the money than them.

Unlike the Republican establishment favorites, Ron Paul doesn't receive donations from the merchants of death, Wall Street and other corporate welfare queens, nor does he do their bidding. Why aren't those donations returned, or even mentioned?

Margie| 4.15.11 @ 5:28PM

I misquoted nothing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6Y_58LwYBw

Now go eat some humble pie, ud.

Clint| 4.15.11 @ 8:53PM

We Tea Party Patriots Walked The Talk Today At Tax Day Rallies Across America.

Ron Paul is a Tea Party Co-Favorite With Sarah Palin.

Carpe Diem.

Len | 4.15.11 @ 9:16PM

So the guy said his reason was because of our bombing of Yemen, which Ron Paul QUOTES.

Ben Stein then says we have to defend Yemen.."because they're our friends", not because the US constitution says so.

Ron Paul then says we're occupiers, which we are, whether de facto or de jure, the fact is we use our military there not to defend ourselves but to force our will on them. Think about it, THINK, why were we there in the first place if they never attacked us?

OIL!!!!

Ben Stein says it's because they're anti-semitic. It's true that they are against Jews and Israel, but to say that's why they attack us is garbage. He doesn't bother offering prove that one leads to the other. Correlation is not causation.

Margie I'm tired of people like you, who live life with their head in the sand. Try educating yourself and learn what the US has done in the Middle East in conjunction with the oil companies. All you do is sit there and let others feed you your desired view, but don't bother making the effort to learn the truth. Like Jack Nicholson said "You can't handle the truth." Though he was saying it to justify murder. You really don't want to know how the sausage is made, so you will only accept that which you have already determined is the truth.

Vern Crisler | 4.15.11 @ 10:45PM

It is always a juggling act, balancing our principles with our economic and national interests. Oil is vital to our economic and national interest. If you don't understand that, you don't understand much.

Victor| 4.16.11 @ 12:00AM

Len:
"OIL!!!!
OIL!!!!
OIL!!!!"

You left out the most important part:

American OIL!!!!
American OIL!!!!
American OIL!!!!

"Try educating yourself and learn what the US has done in the Middle East in conjunction with the oil companies."

The reason that the oil companies are in the Middle east is that they are prevented by fiat and diktat from the Federal Government to drill in most of the United States.

If we were drilling our own oil we wouldn't need
to go abroad for it.

I notice that none of you guys are promoting our own natural resource as, not only a relief from our economic recession, but also the supposed cause of the Middle East "crisis".

Why is that?
I'll tell you why that is. It would remove oil from both sides of that equation as it would not allow neither the Left nor the Libertarians to screech about the "JEWSSSSSS".

There is a libertarian guy on the radio that dismisses this as foolishness based on the fact that the oil is sold to other countries, while conveniently ignoring the fact that doing so would employ countless thousands of Americans and generate $$Millions in revenue to assorted states and the feds, improving the economy while doing so.

The amount of foreign oil that we use gives you Anti-Semitic Buzzards on both sides the excuse to demean, degrade and otherwise scapegoat the Jews and Israel.

We are NOT there because of the OIL!

Israel has been our steadfast friend ever since that great American President Harry S Truman was the first to recognize the State of Israel.

We have more than enough oil to feed our needs for almost 300 years, but we don't have the will to allow the freedom to do so.

Some of us would rather scapegoat and tar Israel for no other reason than they agree with her enemies.

Why else would they screech endlessly that Israel is "occupying" lands that they won rightfully and lawfully in several wars that were waged against her?

Question to the Norquislings in the audience:
If the "Palestinian" people deserved a homeland, why was it rejected in the first place by waging a war against Israel in 1947?

And furthermore, why was not a homeland addressed while those people were in Jordan for twenty years?

Why, because it is easier to hate the Jews that offer or think of a solution, that's why!

Golda Meir said it best when she said that there would be peace when the Arabs loved their children more than they hated the Jews.

Robert| 4.16.11 @ 3:40AM

Victor, a lot of people have come to resent Israel simply because they recognize its oversized influence on U.S. policy. If not for that, most non-Jews wouldn't know Israel from Djibouti, and wouldn't care.

Why does nearly every candidate for high elective office in the United States see the need to genuflect and grovel before an AIPAC audience? Doing so is considered a prerequisite to getting elected.

You say Israel is "our steadfast friend." That kind of collectivist phrasing obscures the reality that this "relationship" promotes the interests and desires of some Americans at the expense of others. As I said, most Americans have no dog in Israel's fight with the Arabs. Nor do they benefit from Israel's supposed friendship. Quite often it's the opposite.

In 1967, Israeli jets attacked the U.S.S. Liberty in international waters, killing 34 Americans and wounding over 170. Accident? Perhaps, but the truth is unclear.

Out of all the U.S. government's supposed allies, Israel has the largest espionage operation within the United States.

Israeli spies were arrested in New York and New Jersey in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. One group was witnessed dancing and celebrating as the towers came down. This was reported by Fox News. A law-enforcement source told Fox's Carl Cameron that, based on the information gleaned from interviewing these spies, he believed they had prior knowledge of the attacks. The spies had been ghosting the hijackers for years.

This story was erased from the Fox News website under pressure from the Israel lobby, and has never been mentioned since. It can still be viewed on YouTube. The Israeli spies were flown back to Israel on orders from then-assistant U.S. Attorney General Michael Chertoff. No mention was made of any of this in the 9/11 Commission report. Why not? Because the Israel lobby is running the show, is the obvious answer. It's no surprise that people resent this kind of influence!

If you want to defend Israel and fight the Palestinians, buy a plane ticket, head over there and enlist in the IDF. They'll be happy to have you. But don't force other Americans, who have problems of their own, to take sides in your war of choice. Don't make us and our children targets for people who shouldn't be our enemies.

The world is complex and full of problems. The U.S. government doesn't have to solve all of them, and its trying to do so just creates more problems.

Robert| 4.16.11 @ 1:59AM

Margie, in the video, Ron Paul says, "They're terrorists because we're occupiers" -- not, as you quoted, "They're terrorists because of us." And he certainly doesn't blame "America." You confuse the country with the government, and probably identify yourself with the government, which would explain why you become so defensive when someone criticizes government policy.

But someone who really loves his country does not want its government committing or abetting atrocities overseas. How you would react if the Chinese were to so much as meddle in our elections, much less drop bombs on your neighbors' house?

Margie| 4.16.11 @ 3:06PM

So, "us' isn't America?
My oh my.

Yes, as he says, we must understaaaaaand the motivaaaaaations of the terrorists.

This is why you get so defensive, because you side with the lunatic, Ron Paul.

Anarchists and or White Nationalists like you ALWAYS side with the Pauls.

Tell me, do you also write for Stormfront along with your pal, Clint/Tim*?

Robert| 4.16.11 @ 5:55PM

Margie, you are incapable of making a substantive argument. That's why you resort to name-calling. While it's in my nature to try and educate others, I've come to the conclusion that you're ineducable. So I won't waste my time, or yours. Have a nice life!

Margie| 4.16.11 @ 6:37PM

You bet your sweet rear end I'm "uneducatable." I refuse to have anything to do with smut. I don't know it, hate it, and condemn it when I see it.

Chris Mallory| 4.17.11 @ 1:53PM

No "us" isn't America, "us" is the United States government. The two are not the same and the United States government is openly hostile to America. If we had Constitutional government, we would not have troops any where else in the world. America would not be sending one dime of tax money to any other nation for any reason.

Margie| 4.17.11 @ 2:00PM

Riiiight.
So there is no Constitution and no rule of law?

You anarchistic Paul-bots are insane. You want anarchy. You are a disgrace.

Clint| 4.15.11 @ 9:00PM

Uh Oh !
Israel Firster Fanatic Screwball Apocalyptic Crank Lady Margie Is In The Building.
Dr.Ron Paul is a Tea Party Co-Favorite with Sarah Palin & Sarah Palin Endorsed Dr.Rand Paul in His Senate Race.

We Tea Party Patriots Support The Pauls.

We Walked Our Talk Today At Tea Party Tax Day Rallies Across America.

The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.

Carpe Diem.

Margie| 4.15.11 @ 9:10PM

Carpe flee 'em both.

Len | 4.15.11 @ 9:23PM

Again, there we have it. So called conservatives like Margie hide behind constitutionalism, but when it comes down to it, it is not constitutionalism, but their view of the way the world should be.

Margie, you claim to be a Christian and support Jews? Try reading Daniel Juster or Keith Intrater, both prominent men in the Messianic Jewish movement, but stop acting as if the US is somehow supposed to support Israel, which is in rebelllion to God, and will not know peace until the leaders cry out in repentance. Learn about covenants and how under the US constitution it would be wrong to support Israel, because it violates it.

Margie| 4.15.11 @ 10:23PM

Yes indeed, I allow the Word of God to fill my mind with His Truth.
For it is written:

"For thus says the Lord GOD: Because you have clapped your hands and stamped your feet and rejoiced with all the malice within you against the land of Israel, therefore, behold, I have stretched out My Hand against you, and will hand you over as spoil to the nations; and I will cut you off from the peoples and will make you perish out of the countries; I will destroy you. Then you will know that I am the LORD." Ez. 25: 6 & 7.

Unless of course you don't believe what He has to say?

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 4:01AM

Ask Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie what She says happens to practicing Jews & Muslims after they die.

Hypocrite Bigot.

Margie| 4.16.11 @ 2:56PM

Woof! Wooooof!

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 4:16PM

Indeed, Apocalyptic Israel Firster Crank Lady Margie is a Real Dog of a Broad.

Margie| 4.16.11 @ 4:44PM

The foul-mouthed Liberalterriors and Paleo-cons along with the Neo-Nazi White Nationalists like you and your pals have nothing else to go on but personal insults and lies.

It's a trait shared by your father, the Devil~ a liar from the beginning. Jn. 8:44.

Lotsa luck.

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 10:14PM

The RINO-CINO Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie is All PMS'y & Angst Ridden Because We Tea Party Patriots Don't Crawl To The GOP Ruling Elite RINO-CINO Fops.

These Are The Same Clowns Who Gave Us RINO-CINO's Arlen Specter & Mike Castle.

The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.

Carpe Diem.

Margie| 4.17.11 @ 2:01PM

You will crawl to the King of Kings when He returns, as all worms will.

I look forward to that Day!

WilliamR| 4.15.11 @ 2:47PM

Here is Russell Kirk the Father of modern conservatism speaking about foreign policy at the Heritage Foundation in 1991

"Presidents Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, and Lyndon Johnson were enthusiasts for American domination of the world. Now George Bush appears to be emulating those eminent Democrats. When the Republicans, once upon a time, nominated for the presidency a "One World" candidate, Wendell Willkie, they were sadly trounced. In general, Republicans throughout the twentieth century have been advocates of prudence and restraint in the conduct of foreign affairs. "

http://users.etown.edu/m/mcdonaldw/Lect321.html

Restraint Prudence==== Conservatism.

Len| 4.15.11 @ 2:54PM

Noting the few comments against Ron Paul, they are typical in that they malign the man, marginalize him, attack him, BUT NO ONE WILLINGLY DEBATES ON MERIT!!!!!!!!!!!

Only ad hominem attacks? C'mon people if you're going to criticize, do so on a constitutional basis, and back up your criticism.

I hold my position that far too many so called "constitutional" conservatives have never bothered actually studying it, or want to really know what it is.

What is commerce..really?

What does the vesting clause really do?

Are executive agreements constitutional?

Is anything more than common defense really allowed?

Are subsidies allowed?

Are businesses really allowed to be regulated under the commerce clause? Antitrust and monopoly laws?

Is the federal reserve allowed?

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Those governors or ex-governors throwing their name out, can they point to where they upheld the US constitution by doing what they could in their executive capacity to resist unconstitutional encroachments by the federal government?

Where was Paul Ryan, among others during TARP, the GM bailouts, NCLB, etc.? Why did he among others vote for these blatantly unconstitutional acts?

I can go on and on and on and on, but Ron Paul alone has stood athwart and defended constitutionality and yet he is still marginalized?
What about the Patriot Act, in particular NSLs? Why have so many TEA partiers voted for the Patriot Act, despite the fact that NSLs are clear violations of the 4th amendment?

I really tire of just stinking uneducated opinions, especially regurgitated ones from neocon sites that are meant only to tickle the ears of a particular audience who like getting their thoughts fed to them, and are not willing to really examine what is being said. How many have actually come to their position after careful scrutiny of rights and liberty and the formation of our government? And how many just came with an opinion looking for it to be affirmed by whomever possible?

Occam's Tool| 4.15.11 @ 3:29PM

OK, let's go on merit (or lack of it) with Ron Paul. He takes donations from, and associates with, Nazis like StormFront. You don't mind because you like killing Jews and Blacks, Len. But it bugs me.

Len| 4.15.11 @ 4:00PM

I like killing Jews and blacks?

1) I am Jewish.

2)From elementary through high school I not just had black friends, but at times was the only white person at parties.

3) In my adult years I have dated women from Korea, Nigeria, Peru, Venezuela, Colombia, Eritrea, Vietnam among others. My friends have varied and I used to go to the clubs with a black friend and a Filipino friend.

You're trying to call me some kind of racist...why don't you man up and stop trying to avoid the real issues?

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You are also a blatant liar...BLATANT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!

While I cannot attest to whether he kept money given to him, that doesn't make him a racist, and frankly I say keep it and use it.

Here is your BLATANT LIE..that he associates with Nazis. Prove it....PROVE IT or go scurry back in your corner.

Show me where he has supported racist groups in some way.

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As for merit, again you took the low road and refused to deal with constitutional issues and had to resort to defaming the man.

COWARD.

Robert| 4.15.11 @ 4:43PM

You really are a tool.

In his office, Ron Paul has a framed portrait of Ludwig von Mises, a Jewish economist of the Austrian School from whose works Ron Paul learned economics. Paul was also a close friend and associate of Murray N. Rothbard, another Jewish economist and student of Mises.

Ron Paul has cited the works of Ayn Rand -- another Jew -- as having influenced his political views as a young man.

The website that has done the most to promote Ron Paul's views and candidacy, lewrockwell.com, was published by a Jew, Burt Blumert. Blumert was also a close friend of Ron Paul, and bankrolled Paul's first run for president in 1989.

I could go on but something tells me a Tool will be a Tool regardless of the facts.

Victor| 4.16.11 @ 2:40AM

Robert:
"In his office, Ron Paul has a framed portrait of... a Jewish economist.... Paul was also a close friend and associate of another Jewish economist....Ron Paul has cited the works of another Jew...The website that has done the most to promote Ron Paul's views...was published by a Jew,"

Compare those words to another who has questionable views about the Jews, shall we?

"one of the raps against me in the black community is that I was too close to the Jews. When I ran against Bobby Rush [for Congress], the perception was that I was Hyde Park, I’m University of Chicago, I’ve got all these Jewish friends. When I started organizing, the two fellow organizers in Chicago were Jews, and I was attacked for associating with them. So I’ve been in the foxhole with my Jewish friends, so when I find on the national level my commitment being questioned, it’s curious."

Those words from our Bi-Racial President:
Barack Hussein Oybama.

Certainly, this all gives new meaning and nuance to the old joke:

Some of my best friends are keep Kosher, eh?

Victor| 4.16.11 @ 2:41AM

Some of my best friends keep Kosher, eh?

Robert| 4.16.11 @ 3:57AM

Victor, I'm not sure what your point is. Ron Paul has never publicly brought up his "Kosher cred" to court the Jewish vote -- probably in part because the accusations of antisemitism are completely unfounded and don't merit a response. But since I'm aware of these facts, I shared them. Someone who hates Jews would not give a hearing to Ludwig von Mises, Murray Rothbard or Ayn Rand, much less openly adopt their positions (although I should mention that Paul has some significant disagreements with Rand). In fact, I recall a truly antisemitic website attacking Ron Paul as a "tool of the Jews."

RCV| 4.15.11 @ 5:22PM

Occam: Len is much more concerned with disrespect shown to white Southern women by Union troops during the Civil War than he is with the survival of millions of Jews in Israel. Like "Dr. Paul", adherence to the anarcho-libertarian agenda trumps all else.

Len | 4.15.11 @ 8:47PM

Quit your %&($, what you are calling disrespect was a license to rape AND YOU KNOW IT.

The historical record bears this out.

Clint| 4.15.11 @ 9:35PM

ObamaBoy RCV attempts to Falsely Label Dr.Ron Paul , As An Anarcho-Libertarian

"Constitutional Libertarians" like U.S. Representative Ron Paul and Judge Andrew Napolitano believe liberty can be obtained through proper interpretation of the United States Constitution.

Dr.Ron Paul is a Tea Party Co-Favorite with Sarah Palin at 41 Percent to 42 Percent .

The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.

Carpe Diem.

Victor| 4.16.11 @ 3:26AM

Clint:
"ObamaBoy RCV attempts to Falsely Label Dr.Ron Paul , As An Anarcho-Libertarian"

Maybe he meant to say that Paul was an Anarcho-Librarian, eh?

Isn't he a proponent of the Huey Dewey Decimal System, in that you put the books away by reading their numbers in reverse so that it goes in the wrong place and since no one can find what they are looking for, they have to go across the street to the Barnes and Noble and buy them.

Smart Duck, eh?

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 4:12AM

Gee, Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie are You speaking for Your Buddy ObamaBoy RCV now ?
Hmmmm Israel Firster Fanatic Nutbag ?

Ronald Reagan:
If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

Margie| 4.17.11 @ 2:06PM

Yes indeed, Ronald Reagan spoke to the exact extreme Libertarianism you profess~ anarchistic. And he obviously saw that as a bad thing.

And he said he couldn't agree with all the things they stood for as a party.

So true, and neither do I.

For example, the anti-Israel stance that the nut cases like you take, along with your anti-war stance (non-interventionism).

You are the EXACT type he was talking about!

You should be shunned and rejected by all. You're a disgrace to humanity.

Clint| 4.15.11 @ 9:21PM

Israel Firster Fanatic Tool Job is All PMS'y because Many of We Tea Party Patriots Agree with Dr.Ron Paul & Refuse to Asskiss Tool Job's Personal Israel Firster Agenda.

Back in 2007, a guy named Don Black gave a $ 500 Dollar Unsolicited Campaign Donation to Ron Paul's Campaign in which Donations of $ Millions by Thousands of People flooded into Campaign Headquarters.

The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.
Carpe Diem.

Victor| 4.16.11 @ 2:21AM

Clint/Timmy*:
"a guy named Don Black"

Some guy named Don Black?

Which guy named Don Black?

One of these guys named Don Black?

Don Black (white nationalist), racist campaigner

Don Black (lyricist), English lyricist

Don Black (baseball), baseball player for the Cleveland Indians and Philadelphia Athletics

One of these Guys named Don Black is not like the other guys named Don Black, is he?

Donald Black (born July 28, 1953) is an American white nationalist. He is the founder, and current webmaster, of the Stormfront internet forum. He was a Grand Wizard in the Ku Klux Klan and a member of the American Nazi Party in the 1970s. He was convicted in 1981 for attempted armed overthrow of the Dominican government in violation of the U.S. Neutrality Act.

That Donald Black?

Gave money to RON PAUL?!?

Yeah, that Donald Black!

Now a more important question:

Did RON PAUL ever give the money back?

Amos 3:3
"Can two walk together, except they be agreed?"

Did Bill Clinton give back money from the Russian Mafia?

Did Barack Obama give money back from palestinian terrorists?

Did Ron Paul give back money from White Nationalists?

The answer is not blowin' in the wind, but plain as the nose on your face: NO!

Robert| 4.16.11 @ 4:11AM

So you'd rather the white nationalist have the money than Ron Paul? Has Ron Paul ever proposed, supported or voted for a law to institutionalize racism? In case you aren't familiar with the relevant history, the Nazis and their progeny have never been fond of libertarianism or laissez-faire economics.

Giving back campaign donations is just silly, anyway, unless you're going to screen every donor for potentially offensive views. Where do you draw the line? It's nothing but theatrics, like most of politics. Ron Paul is too honest to play that game.

And unlike every establishment favorite, Ron Paul doesn't receive money from the merchants of death, Wall Street and assorted other corporate welfare queens and war profiteers -- after all, he won't do their bidding. Why are these donations never returned, or even questioned?

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 4:59AM

Let's See Here Israel Firster Fanatic Screwball Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie.
Republican Candidate Ron Paul was the second most successful fundraiser left in his party, after McCain. In that January he raised $4.4 million, bringing his total to $32.6 million.Paul set records for single-day fundraising totals despite being one of the lesser-known candidates.
This dude, Doug Black gives The Paul Campaign $500.

Soooo, an unsolicited campaign donation of $500 of $32.6 Million in Paul campaign donations comes in and What ?

Hmmmm Israel Firster Smear Artist Agendist Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie ?

Jack| 4.15.11 @ 4:22PM

I think we are at a crossroads of sorts and we need to flush this bastardized government down the loo and restart with a strict interpretation of the Constitution. This will give us another 200 years or so before the socialists bring us to this point again. We need to cut the Fed government down as small as we can and then take a look at what is going on in our so called city governments.

gary siebel| 4.15.11 @ 8:32PM

Let them both run. They are whacked out and don't have a prayer. Count them in with the other pretenders who also have no chance but wish to stay in the public eye for monetary reasons.... Palin, Gingrich, and Trump.

Huckabee has a Willie Horton problem, Romney has the "wrong" religion, Pawlenty is dorkish, and none of the other's are dumb enough to be the sacrificial lamb.

Obama's going to win, unless the Repubs assassinate him, which is not that unlikely. Repubs talk like the muslims who deny all responsibility for murder even though they say it's a good thing if certain individuals are killed for the greater good of Islam. Repubs should put Awlaki on their ticket -- after all, he has the right amount of religious conservatism.

Do you really think any Repub can offer the vote pulling power of Oprah?

Len | 4.15.11 @ 8:50PM

Here it is again, the old ad hominen attack. Showing why conservatives are barely better than liberals, neither really wants to argue based on facts, truth or logic.

Cannot a real conservative justify your position? C'mon show me your pol that has upheld the US constitution.

Margie| 4.15.11 @ 10:25PM

You don't argue on facts yourself, but only on insults and condescension as is typical of the Paleo-cons and Lefty Libertarians.

Margie| 4.15.11 @ 10:27PM

p.s. I notice you disappeared the other day after you threw out the "fact" that Lincoln wrote a book against God and I asked you to present proof of it.

Is that how you argue from facts, truth and logic?

Vern Crisler | 4.15.11 @ 10:48PM

Dittos, Margie.

Margie| 4.15.11 @ 11:25PM

Thanks, Vern.
You know, something I have found that is interesting to me about the Paul backers and the Libertarians and Paleos. And that is that they remind me of the confederates of old.
Len, for example~ and Len believe it or not I actually like you. I honestly believe he truly loves the Constitution and righteousness. And I think the old south loved their country. I just think they were wrong, as I truly believe these guys are wrong.

Now we find ourselves in a current day civil war between the conservatives and the conservatives. Or are they? They say they are but look how they really think. It's the thinking that's all wrong.

God help us. I hope it doesn't turn into a physical war again. One was quite enough. :^)

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 7:43AM

We Tea Party Patriots are in A Civil War against The GOP Ruling Elite Fops & You,Their RINO-CINO Apologists.

The GOP Ruling Elite RINO-CINO's Are Democrat Light.

The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.

We Walked The Talk Yesterday at Tea Party Tax Day Rallies Across America.

Carpe Diem.

Margie| 4.16.11 @ 3:10PM

It's all in your deranged mind, Clint/Tim*.

You Stormfront White Nationalist freaks are in a war with everyone who doesn't agree with your anti-American, anti-Israel agenda.

It's why you never succeed. Everyone knows you're a raving lunatic.

Carpe flee 'em, baby.

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 4:26PM

You're A Slandering Liar Hypocrite Israel Firster Apocalyptic Crank Lady Margie.

It's You, False Christian Apocalyptic Crank Lady Sociopath Israel Firster Margie, who's at War with almost everyone else's Religious Views.

Now, Tell all The American Spectator Readers where You say practicing Jews & Muslims go when they die.

You're Up Hypocrite Bigot Apocalyptic Crank Lady Israel Firster Fanatic Margie.

Margie| 4.16.11 @ 4:46PM

So, you're not a White Nationalist, Clint/Tim*?

Margie| 4.16.11 @ 6:34PM

Crickets.........

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 10:17PM

Asked & Answered & You Know It You Slandering Joisey White Trash Pig Bigot Broad.

Bats In Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie's Belfry

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 10:34PM

Actually, White Nationalist Margie, Why Don't You tell all The Practicing Jews & Muslims where You say They Go When They Die.

You're Up, Joisey White Trash Bigot Pig.

Margie| 4.17.11 @ 2:07PM

Are you able to sleep at night?

Clint| 4.17.11 @ 3:07PM

No ! A Thousand Times No !
I Don't Wanna Sleep With You, Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie.

Now, Go Bother Victor.

Michael Tomlinson| 4.16.11 @ 12:18AM

Gov't pork addict Ron Paul is anything, but a conservative with his flirtations with non traditional values (the homosexual agenda, dope, anti-Semitism and empathy for anti-American Muslim extremists).

Victor| 4.16.11 @ 1:52AM

Michael Tomlinson:
"non traditional values (the homosexual agenda, dope, anti-Semitism and empathy for anti-American Muslim extremists)."

"non traditional values"?

Don't you mean Non-Conservative values?

Or maybe, even Non-American Values?

Or maybe, just plain Liberal Values?

Yeah, that's it!

Robert| 4.16.11 @ 2:20AM

Oh, please. Ron Paul has been married to the same woman for over 50 years, does not swear, and has been described by staffers as something of a puritan. You're just upset he doesn't want to enforce his values upon others at the point of a gun, which indicates that you have more in common with the Muslim extremists than Ron Paul.

If you're like the typical religious rightist, you probably voted for George W. Bush, a hypocritical cocaine addict who is on video giving the middle finger, and who, along with the Republican-controlled congress, doled out hundreds of millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood.

And, by the way, Jesus wouldn't bomb, jail or machine-gun anyone, not even a sinner. You theo-cons are a twisted bunch who are more like the Taliban than the early Christian community.

Victor| 4.16.11 @ 3:12AM

Robert:
"Oh, please. Ron Paul has been married to the same woman for over 50 years,"

What does that have to do with Ron Paul being in favor of Homo sexual "Marriage"?

"and has been described by staffers as something of a puritan."

What does that have to do with his being in favor of legalizing pot?

"And, by the way, Jesus wouldn't bomb, jail or machine-gun anyone, not even a sinner."

Boy, do you have a way with twisting words and ideas, eh?

When did we ever say that we want to bomb or machine gun sinners?

That must be how you describe us witnessing to them.
Hearing about Jesus sends some people in fits of paroxysms.
Libertarians or athiests get the vapours just hearing the name "Jesus".

But I guess to people such as yourself, being witnessed to is getting "firebombed", eh?

It'll be a lot hotter in Hell.
There's no ice water down there.

Good luck with that.

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 4:38AM

Doug Wead:
"As a Christian, I have been amused at the willingness of our power brokers to conveniently embrace presidential candidates who have had four marriages or have been bitter opponents to our own people facing nomination in the Senate or who flip flop on the issues just in time for Iowa, all because the candidate will do a radio show or appear at a university or a political briefing fundraiser.

Well, Ron Paul is the real deal. Raised as a Lutheran, (now attending a Baptist church in Lake Jackson) he puts his Christian faith into practice. He has always been pro life, always been married to the same wife and always been the nation's premier advocate for liberty.

As we see our liberties being stripped away by the courts and by government agencies and by presidential fiat, we need to speak carefully and truthfully about those few men and women in Washington who have the integrity to defy the temptations of power. Ron Paul is just such a man.

We should cherish his independence from the corruption and partisanship of Washington, D.C. and instead of distorting his positions on the issues we should celebrate his courage to speak the truth."

Doug Wead is a presidential historian, New York Times bestselling author and advisor to two presidents. He served as special assistant to the president in the George Herbert Walker Bush White House. In 1979 he co-founded Mercy Corps and the International Charity Awards.

Robert| 4.16.11 @ 4:47AM

Victor, your use of the English language is careless, which helps to explain your sloppy thinking.

One can be opposed to the use of drugs without supporting armed violence against peaceful drug users. The latter is the position of social conservatives who claim Jesus as their savior. They want men with guns and clubs (police) to kidnap non-violent users of non-state-approved drugs, including cancer patients seeking relief from chemotherapy-induced nausea, and lock them in cages. Those who resist are to be brutalized and, if necessary, murdered. I ask you, would Jesus approve?

To be against a particular law on Constitutional grounds doesn't mean one is in favor of homosexual marriage. (Ron Paul's actual position is that the government should have no role in marriage whatsoever.)

The same principle stated differently:

-To be in favor of free speech does not signify that one agrees with everything said.

-To be in favor of private property does not signify that one approves of how others use their property.

And so on.

I've already discussed how social conservatives are willing to jail and, if necessary, murder people for the sin of using non-state-approved drugs. But they also want the government to drop bombs on people in foreign countries, who are willy-nilly labeled as "terrorists," a politically charged term to describe anyone who meets U.S. government violence with violence of his own. And when civilians die, as will always happen, that's just "collateral damage." Oopsie!

Jesus at the controls of a predator drone: an authentic icon of Christianity, or another Satanic, theo-con fraud? You tell me.

P.S. When Ron Paul told an audience of "Values Voters" that Jesus is the Prince of Peace, they booed. Theo-cons react to mention of the authentic Christ like vampires to a crucifix.

Rev Trask| 4.16.11 @ 8:01PM

"When Ron Paul told an audience of "Values Voters" that Jesus is the Prince of Peace, they booed. Theo-cons react to mention of the authentic Christ like vampires to a crucifix."

Yep, and so a Ten-Commandment violator like Newt Gingrich can be considered a serious GOP candidate for President. And as far as the Lord, Jesus Christ is concerned, he was a (gasp) community organizer in the eyes of the hard-core GOP and their `bagger wing. And he went after the money-changers (the Wall Street of his time), gave aid and comfort to those who weren`t wealthy and powerful, etc. What a socialist God is!

victor| 4.17.11 @ 11:05AM

Robert:
"P.S. When Ron Paul told an audience of "Values Voters" that Jesus is the Prince of Peace, they booed."

Doesn't sound as though anyone was booing here, does it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChS7X9OETvk

Once again, Paul-Bots making up stuff, eh?

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 4:23AM

Do Your Homework.
In 2004, Republican Congressman Dr.Ron Paul spoke in support of the Defense of Marriage Act, passed in 1996. This act allows a state to decline to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states or countries, although a state will usually recognize legal marriages performed outside of its own jurisdiction."
Texas Republican Ron Paul voted for the Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act of 2010 on December 18, 2010.

victor| 4.16.11 @ 8:08PM

Same-sex marriage
In a 2007 interview with John Stossel, Paul stated that he supported the right of gay couples to marry, so long as they didn't "impose" their relationship on anyone else, on the grounds of supporting voluntary associations.

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 10:24PM

Do Your Homework Israel Firster AgendaBoy Victor-Margie.

Wednesday, August 4, 2010

Congressman Ron Paul does not believe that the issue of gay marriage is a matter to be decided at the federal level. He has said that the effort of a federal official to change the definition of marriage is "an act of social engineering profoundly hostile to liberty." He stated further, "Americans understandably fear that if gay marriage is legalized in one state, all other states will be forced to accept such marriages." The issue of gay marriage is one to be decided at the state-level by the citizens of the state, as the people of California did when they passed Proposition 8. Ron Paul supported the Defense of Marriage Act to ensure that the US Constitution's Full Faith and Credit Clause continued to allow one state to refuse to recognize the same-sex marriages of another state."

The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.

Carpe Diem.

victor| 4.17.11 @ 11:08AM

"Congressman Ron Paul does not believe that the issue of gay marriage is a matter to be decided at the federal level."

Is he for it or against it?

"He has said that the effort of a federal official to change the definition of marriage is "an act of social engineering profoundly hostile to liberty.""

Is he for it or against it?

"He stated further, "Americans understandably fear that if gay marriage is legalized in one state, all other states will be forced to accept such marriages.""

Is he for it or against it?

"The issue of gay marriage is one to be decided at the state-level by the citizens of the state, as the people of California did when they passed Proposition 8."

Is he for it or against it?

" Ron Paul supported the Defense of Marriage Act to ensure that the US Constitution's Full Faith and Credit Clause continued to allow one state to refuse to recognize the same-sex marriages of another state.""

Is he for it or against it?

The man just cannot say, can he?

Clint| 4.17.11 @ 2:02PM

Apparently, Israel Firster AgendaBoy Victor-Margie Can't grasp the Constitution & States Rights.
Oh That's Right, Israel Doesn't Have A Written Constitution.

"Congressman Ron Paul does not believe that the issue of gay marriage is a matter to be decided at the federal level. He has said that the effort of a federal official to change the definition of marriage is "an act of social engineering profoundly hostile to liberty." He stated further, "Americans understandably fear that if gay marriage is legalized in one state, all other states will be forced to accept such marriages." The issue of gay marriage is one to be decided at the state-level by the citizens of the state, as the people of California did when they passed Proposition 8."

Midcity| 4.17.11 @ 5:18AM

Any inclination toward validating this "gov't pork addict" claim for the congressman who's returned part of his office's buget to the congress unspent?

So many ingnorant claims in one line. He's of course not an anti-semite. I've yet to see any support for such a claim. He has no homosexual agenda. And the war on drugs is idiotic and just an prohabition was repealed, the war on drugs should be ended as well. Drug sales fund most major crime in our nation. It causes countless killings. It's resulted in an idiotic amount of people being put in jail. It's pushed to poor to more and more dangerous drugs like meth, causing more serious health problems than before. And despite all this canage, the % of people who do drugs hasn't fallen a bit.

So, I guess the only place you really skewered Paul was that he has empathy for people who are upset that we have repeatedly entered nations in their region hand picked leaders, managed those nations, invaded certain nations, given billions of dollars worth of weapons to people that terrorize their nations, and then claim that we're morally and ethically superior. Empathy is being able to understand what another is going through...I can understand those people anger, we have acted every bit the spoiled pompus rich kid in their region, to epitify it we could just elect Trump president. Or perhaps we could start to correct it by electing Ron Paul.

Vic| 4.16.11 @ 12:54AM

Paul may do us the most good by staying in congress (sad to say). He acts as a good counterweight to the idiocy that tends to flourish there. Perhaps one or two of 'em can be jolted back to reality before they vote on legislation that steals our liberty and prosperity to benefit a few.

Mr. Paul reminds me of Patrick Henry during the constitutional convention. He is treated as a kook even though his warnings become reality over and over again.

J.C.Eaton| 4.16.11 @ 1:34PM

With all due respect, this flapdoodle is much ado about less than nothing. If EITHER of the Paul's want to run, let 'em. we'll hear what they have to say, we'll pick it apart if called for, we'll chew it over and we'll decide. So who gives a shit!!!!!/\?? It's a process people...I'm not afraid to listen to anybody[with the possible exception of a current WH occupant, I mean, like the guy is a total bore] I don't get why everyone is hysterical because a couple a guys are noodling a promotion. Take a downer. Best,

Margie| 4.16.11 @ 6:34PM

You seem to think it's a trifle but it isn't.
Obama shares his hatred of Israel and sympathizing with the terrorists with the Pauls.
You want THAT in a President?

William R| 4.17.11 @ 10:26AM

The Skank is at it again.

victor| 4.17.11 @ 11:09AM

William R

"The Skank is at it again."

Ah yes, the heart and soul and wit of the typical Libertarian shines again, eh?

Margie| 4.17.11 @ 2:13PM

It's exactly why these people will never make it to the Presidency.
Everyone who doesn't agree with their insanity is hated and treated with vitriol.
LOL.

Clint| 4.17.11 @ 3:02PM

That's exactly what Many Tea Party Patriots say about You Israel Firster Chickenhawks And Your Boy, The Serial Traitor to Conservatism John McCain, Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie.
Now Tell Us about McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy,McCain-Lieberman, The Gang of 14, Opposing The Bush 2001 & 2003 Tax Cuts, Tarp.

The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.

We Walked The Talk On Friday At Tea Party Tax Day Rallies.

Carpe Diem.

Margie| 4.17.11 @ 3:51PM

Carpe flee 'em.
Which is what most Americans are smart enough to do.

Volare| 4.16.11 @ 7:19PM

I see that Ron Paul voted agains the middle-class killing Paul Ryan budget. Well good for him, but since Ryan`s budget is based on Laffer supply-side fantasy, which is still gospel in the GOP, I wonder if Paul will be allowed to participate in GOP primary debates, on the grounds that he is not a True Believer.

PCP Smoker| 4.16.11 @ 7:45PM

We need a real senate majority leader, let that be Rand Paul. We should also have Ron Paul killed. He and his supporters are scumbags

Clint| 4.16.11 @ 10:28PM

Let's See You Try To Kill Dr.Ron Paul Punk Ass.

You'll Never Hear The Man Count 10.

The Tea Party Escalates.

Carpe Diem.

Midcity| 4.17.11 @ 5:03AM

What? You support Rand for Senate majority leader but distain his likeminded dad enough to call for his being murdered?

You'd think a person with the handle "PCP smoker" would like a canidate that supported an end to the drug war.

Well I'm an unabashed Ron Paul supporter. He's got incredibly powerful ideas that many aren't ready to accept yet. Call me whatever you like, but I'm already communicating his ideas about to family and friends to get support for Paul and his ideas.

Michael L. Hauschild| 4.16.11 @ 8:46PM

Did you ever notice how cranky everyone gets at tax time? I cannot believe I read all of the above, I have got to get a life.

Midcity| 4.17.11 @ 4:58AM

You read all that? Wow, I got through maybe 50 posts then said enough.

Ron Paul is an informative and inspirational man. I hope very much that he decides to run, I couldn't stomach voting for either Obama or McCain in 2008, thankfully Ron Paul was on my states ballot.

Many surely disagree, but I think he is extremely electable. Getting through the Republican primary would be by far the hard part. In a debate Paul would eat Obama's lunch. Paul's positions are better than Obama, he has a better knowledge for the issues, and he's a better communicator when neither party is reading from a script. I'd pay pay-per-view prices to see Ron Paul handing it to Obama in a hour long debate.

Michael L. Hauschild| 4.17.11 @ 9:53AM

Dear Lord,
Please go over to American Thinker and read:
http://www.americanthinker.com.....stand.html

Margie| 4.17.11 @ 7:49PM

Dear Lord, Michael, stand up and take a stand one way or another!

Ken (Old Texican)| 4.17.11 @ 10:30AM

I'll end my comments to the original question in Fred's article where I began.
Who cares if they run? Ron especially can only gather kook fringe elements once his own words are examined.
Ron Paul is simply a doofus, bless his heart.

Clint| 4.17.11 @ 2:08PM

Real Tea Party Patriots care if The Pauls Run.

We Tea Party Patriots aren't about to accept The Crap Sandwich Budget Scam that The GOP RINO-CINO Ruling Fops just Sold Out To The Democraps And Passed.

The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.

Carpe Diem.

Margie| 4.17.11 @ 2:11PM

"Ron Paul is simply a doofus, bless his heart."

LOL. Such a tidy way wrapping things up!

Clint| 4.17.11 @ 2:32PM

RINO-CINO Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie Is An Israel Firster Fanatic Screwball, Who Is All Obsessed & Fixated because Our Tea Party Co-Favorite Dr. Ron Paul And Many Of We Tea Party Patriots Don't Asskiss Her Israel Firster Agenda.

The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.

We Walked Our Talk Friday At Tea Party Tax Day Rallies.

Carpe Diem.

Margie| 4.17.11 @ 3:49PM

Carpe flee 'em.

Your imbecilic posts scream lunacy.

Clint| 4.17.11 @ 8:11PM

Your Israel Firster Chickenhawk Traitor Agenda Exposes What A True Piece Of Garbage You Are Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie.

Get Bent .

Margie| 4.18.11 @ 1:03AM

The Catholic "faith" shines through once more.

Mistral| 4.17.11 @ 3:36PM

Ron Paul is one of the few American politicians who is able to understand that when you keep spending more than you earn you get into debt. Further, when you keep doing this then the debt becomes worse and eventually you go bankrupt. He also knows that it is corruption and corporatism which is destroying the US economy, not capitalism. He's pretty clever, is Ron Paul. Nearly all the others are just plain stupid.

Margie| 4.17.11 @ 3:48PM

He's clever like a snake.
And he's no conservative.
He is also one of the biggest earmarkers for pork there is.
He's a flaming hypocrite.
and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Mistral| 4.17.11 @ 4:05PM

Mistral| 4.17.11 @ 4:07PM

Hussein Obama knows all about pork even though he's a clandestine mahomaten.

Mistral| 4.17.11 @ 4:09PM

Ask this present Amnerican government about hypocrisy because they have taken it to new levels of perfection. Hussein Obama is the greatest presidential hypocrit in the history of American politics & after Carter that's saying something.

Mistral| 4.17.11 @ 4:12PM

Ron Paul speaks so much political sense that many critics here just do not understand because they have become used to the twisted polarised marxian-speak of the Hussein Obama or ex-Democrat Party

Mistral| 4.17.11 @ 4:23PM

To vote for the ex-democrat party is an americanophobic vote. Ron Paul loves America and the freedom it once stood for. One more term with this government and there will be no more freedom as Chcago style politics assumes power in Washington for good.

Margie| 4.17.11 @ 4:29PM

That's a new one created by the Paul-bot mindset! perhaps you can submit it to the Dictionary.

Americanophobic.

Just as your pal Clint/Tm8 the lunatic, and the rest of the lunatic fringe claims:

Now it's a phobia we must have if we vote Republican.

Proving yet once again that the loony Lefty Libertarians are on the same side as Obama.

They'd rather see him elected than a Republican.

Fiscal responsibility alone does not a conservative make.

And R. Paul isn't even that~ in action, that is.

Clint| 4.17.11 @ 8:16PM

RINO-CINO Israel Firster Chickenhawk Apocalyptic Crank Lady Is An Apologist For The GOP Ruling Elite Fops ,Who Just Handed Us Another Crap Sandwich Budget Scam.

The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.

Carpe Diem.

Margie| 4.18.11 @ 1:02AM

Fact:

A RINO is one who is Republican in Name Only.

Uh, that would be you, Ron and Rand Paul and all Liberalterriors.

Ron Paul only registered as a Republican in order to get elected!

What a joke and a hypocrite. Just like you. You're no conservative. Neither is he.

And you're no Christian either. Catholic, but not Christian.
Christians love the Bible and love other Christians.
You despise Bible believing Christians and tell them you wouldn't walk across the street to piss on them if they were on fire. That's what you said today.

So, in truth, you're a "RINO-CINO".
Exposed yet again for the sicko you truly are.

Margie| 4.18.11 @ 1:19AM

Oh, and the reality is that punks like you are the reason Obama got elected. You wrote your brother's name on the ballot.

How is it that you are able to take the truth and completely twist it around the way you do?

Republicans like me voted for McCain/Palin. If we had your stupid votes, we wouldn't have Obama right now~ yet we're the RINO's?

You're insane, man. A Republican in Name Only does what you do~ not what I do. We actually vote for and back Republicans.

What do you do? Bitch and moan and do not vote for the Republican nominee!

You're the stupid RINO!
LOL It is laughable and truly sad.
Yet you spew your phoney self-righteous vile vitriol at me. I'm a true Republican, who has voted Republican in EVERY single election my entire voting life, you imbecile.

What a punk,

Mistral| 4.17.11 @ 4:38PM

Mistral| 4.17.11 @ 4:43PM

Those who have an innate dislike of Ron have little understanding of what true freedom means. They have swallowed so much socialist garbage from the Hussein Obama Party that their intellects have become asphyxiated by narcissistic empty talk coupled with empty promises. The current POTUS has little knowledge of anything including himself. His followers are like him. This is why Ron Paul does not make any sense to his mentally inept supporters.

Ken (Old Texican)| 4.17.11 @ 5:25PM

Paulbots=doofuse's little fringe loonies.

LiveFreeOrDie| 4.17.11 @ 6:38PM

Enter the fray Ken, I'd like to hear a reasonable argument against Ron Paul. Haven't seen anything close on this page.

Clint| 4.17.11 @ 8:23PM

Yeah Ken, tell us why The GOP Ruling Elite Fops Passed This Crap Sandwich Budget Joke & Didn't Join Dr.Ron Paul & Michelle Bachman& 57 Other Tea Party & Real Conservative Republicans,Who Voted Against This Insult To Real Conservatives.

The Tea Party Escalates.

We Will Purge The RINO-CINO GOP Ruling Elite Fops, In A Second Tea Party Wave In 2012.

Sean| 4.18.11 @ 12:05AM

Ron Paul has been right on so many issues. We really need him or a clone of his as President.

Mistral| 4.18.11 @ 4:08PM

I certainly would not maintain Ron Paul would do as he says if he were POTUS but he said what he said and it makes absolute sense. Further, when the state taxes a person endlessly there comes a time when they no longer want to work hard because they are penalised for this while the fruit of their labour is pillaged in taxes and supports the learned helpless with their professional begging bowls. Welfare only works when it gets people back into work. Either this or people work for cash-in-hand and avoid paying their taxes. In the meantime, Hussein Obama is robbing the ever-hard pressed middle-classes now and the wealthy in order to satisfy his corporatist masters & his other political benefactors such as the unions.

If this is how people see freedom then they have had their ideas about it seriously disabled.

Creative Recreation | 8.10.11 @ 10:15PM

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