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Loose Canons
Are We Staying in Iraq?
What’s behind Defense Secretary Robert Gates’s pleas to Iraqi leaders last week?
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If the Iraqi stalemate can be extended past November of next year, it also won’t interfere in Obama’s re-election plans. The question is whether — given Moqtada al-Sadr’s restored military power — the stalemate can be maintained.
So, inevitably, we come to the point at which Obama’s political calculations coincide with the Bush-Powell-Tenet nation-building strategy for Iraq and Afghanistan. Our enemies, especially Moqtada al-Sadr’s Iranian bosses, aren’t fools. They understand that the president wants to keep the war off the front pages and television screens so that it won’t interfere with his political message. They understand that — given the president’s preference for stalemate and plans for withdrawal — that eventually the stalemate will be broken in their favor.
Obama’s stalemate strategy, and his manipulation of the war to achieve media inattention to it, will probably succeed because the likely Republican presidential candidates will let him get away with it.
None have, at this writing, evidenced the courage to tackle Obama head-on on the budget by endorsing Paul Ryan’s new budget. That would require an ideological dedication that they apparently lack. It will take even greater ideological dedication to confront Obama’s stalemate strategy in the war. Who among them will stand up to say that the nation-builders are wrong, and that stalemate is not a goal?
It’s just as my source wrote almost seven years ago: Why do we think — almost a decade after 9-11 — that if you leave bad guys alone they will leave you alone? The bonfire of the neocons continues to blaze.
About the Author
Jed Babbin served as a Deputy Undersecretary of Defense under George H.W. Bush. He is the author of several bestselling books including Inside the Asylum and In the Words of Our Enemies. You can follow him on Twitter @jedbabbin.
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Kenny| 4.11.11 @ 7:07AM
"As soon as U.S. forces depart, the lack of security will affect everything political and economic in Iraq."
That's putting it mildly. Once we out of Iraq, the country will revert to Third World barbarism with Iran picking up the pieces.
Nation building should not be an option for the U.S. Where is nation building called for in the Constitution?
davelnaf| 4.11.11 @ 7:55AM
Attempting to manipulate foreign policy issues to one’s political benefit is one thing—although bad enough in its own right. But manipulating foreign policy issues that involve the battlefield casualties of thousands of American troops is something quite evil. We already knew that leftists are mainly concerned about ideology, process, and themselves. This represents an entirely different order of selfishness in a politician and is utterly disgraceful in a president.
The Bamster’s exit next year will not come soon enough.
IMKessel| 4.11.11 @ 10:00AM
Character counts. We have entered a time period (hopefully too brief to be called an era) where when people say, “character counts,” it is said with tongue planted firmly in cheek. It is spoken with irony. But the truth is character counts. No morally centered human being can create policy using human lives simply as cannon fodder. Human life has an inherent divine spark to it. Military planners use models where the loss of lives are calculated because human life will be lost in battle, but the generals who figure these losses do so with an eye on defending a greater moral good, not simple political gain. That a group of politicians are willing to sacrifice our troops and the lives and freedoms of other nations is beyond hubris.
2012 is not too far away. Where is the voice in the wilderness that will lead America back to a dignity and honor?
bobmontgomery| 4.11.11 @ 10:07AM
Nation building was successful in Japan and Germany, and if you don't think those countries were barbarous in their treatment of foreigners and infidels...well. Iraq was centrally and culturally and chronologically located to become a rock in the middle east. The Bush Doctrine was not about playing games or fooling around with nation-building as a hobby and it wasn't about oil. Sticking one's head in the sand wasn't a good idea in 1938 and it's not a good idea today. Also, the stirring up a hornet's nest is not a good analogy, because the hornets are coming to America.
Tenn Slim| 4.11.11 @ 10:12AM
All well and good analysis.
BUT, the forces at play do not stand still while the Obama presidency plays politics.
Kadafi, Karzi, Sadar, all understand the chess games far better than the neophyte community organizer and his minons.
We have debt, EU, NATO, and other Islamic Caliphate forces at play. Obama is done.
end
Richard Baker| 4.11.11 @ 10:35AM
Enough. Out of Iraq and Afghanistan. We are, mistakenly, trying to civilize and democratise people who create nothing but chaos and killing, find sanitation a challenge, and hate each other and everyone else (Sunni live to kill Shia who hate Wahhabi and so on). All this because the Western mind doesn't want to soil it's knuckles with the truly bad actor, Iran. So let them go at it and reduce the surplus Arab population.
Thomas| 4.11.11 @ 11:10AM
Afghanistan was destined to become a quagmire. Iraq was a beachhead. Think of Germany following WWII. The United States is still there, and in significant force. Why? Germany was totally destroyed in 1945. It was no threat to anyone, least of all the United States. So why did we stay there? To contain the USSR. The same is true of Iraq. The U.S. is there to contain Iran.
Now, some people shout, "If Iran is the problem, let's take them out." Unfortunately, that is not possible, for a simple reason; it can not be legally justified. The 2003 invasion of Iraq was justified, if for no other reason than Saddam Hussein's violation of most of the provisions of the 1991 ceasefire. No armistice was signed, hostilities were simply suspended pending Iraq's adherence to the conditions of the ceasefire. No such justification exists for an occupation of Iran. Look at the hand wringing and chest beating that occurred over the Iraq invasion and again over the military intervention in Libya. Can anyone conceive of the outcry, both domestic and international, should the U.S. militarily intervene in Iran?
U.S. forces were never supposed to vacate Iraq until the threat posed by Iran was neutralized. If U.S. forces vacate Iraq, at this time, then all of the sacrifices made by Americans and their allies, will have been in vain.
Intelligent Design| 4.11.11 @ 1:10PM
We should get out of Iraq, get out of Afghanistan, and stay out of Libya, Egypt, Yemen, etc.. This would save American lives and save billions of dollars. The "rebels" in Libya are backed by al Qaeda, yet we are helping them fight against Gaddafi. The Libyan "rebels" have sold captured chemical weapons to Hezbollah and Hamas. Let the Muslims fight and kill each other. This actually helps the United States. We should bomb Iran's nuclear and military sites, and provide more assistance to Israel to kill Hamas Palestinians. Obama and most Congressmen are so dumb they think Islamic governments are going to be reliable allies of the U.S.. Afghanistan is a bottomless pit, a quagmire. And Iraq will fall apart as soon as we leave, so let it.
shipley130| 4.11.11 @ 1:54PM
We will remain there just long enough to see another dictator take over Iraq. Just you wait and see.
Quartermaster| 4.12.11 @ 6:50PM
Only a dictator was able to hold the place together in the first place. When you have a country filled with thugs, it takes a thug in power to keep the rest in line. Only the Kurds were relatively decent.
Occam's Tool| 4.11.11 @ 3:46PM
Thomas, the Iranians illegally took over our embassy in 1979, and have been a thorn in the tuchus since. I think embassy takeover is sufficient casus belli.
I do not favor an occupation of Iran. There is no need to occupy a parking lot.
Gordon W.| 4.11.11 @ 6:04PM
Occam's tool and Thomas,
May I opine in what context do you consider the war in Iraq and the theoretical war in Iran a "legal war." May it be constitutional recognition (which under interpretation rules says we abide by international common law, side note: Scalia had a very interesting opinion in Ransom v. FIA Card services), UN law, or Moral law? I only ask because you used the phrase casus belli which indicates international law, and between the two seem to intertwine the three.
Thom| 4.11.11 @ 7:15PM
Given our investment in Iraq (and Afghanistan) in things like bases and infrastructure the question should be what do we gain by leaving before the job is done? What do we lose? We fully occupied both Germany and Japan for ten years after WWII and put a lot more effort into turning those nations around to our long term benefit. The problem isn’t the mission in Iraq or Afghanistan but the execution of what some say the mission is and ultimate goals. There is considerable disconnect in Iraq in that regard and I’m not sure it was ever Bush’s goal to “nation build” Afghanistan in the first place. Having bases there was enough for his near term goals.
As I’ve said on numerous occasions the reason we still belong to NATO and have some forces in Europe and Far East is to give us access to bases and logistical support for missions in “other places”. The proposed missile shield in Poland and Czechoslovakia was to protect our forces in Europe not the Euros per say. Having a multilayered missile defense shield is a lot better than just having the point defense type defense provided by the Patriot system alone. That’s all we have now which increases the chances of a “nuke” getting through at some point. An in place long range system might have deterred Iran some but now they have a clear path to Europe where our bases are.
Some people can’t see the forest for the trees where as our national interests are concerned. The bulk of our conventional power projection capability is either sea based from 10 deployable carrier battle groups (soon to be 9) or forward bases in foreign countries our Air Force can deploy to and be in action on short notice. Take away our land bases and most of our Air Force is useless for such purposes. Take away our ability to project conventional power thousands of miles from our shores and we have no influence on foreign affairs, ie as the Euros are demonstrating with their parade ground forces in Libya. Look at a map of the Middle East and tell me Iraq is not a strategic location in that part of the world.
All too often the emotion of the issue or the incompetence of the execution of the mission over rides the rational nature of the goals as they pertain to our national interest long term. Is King Obama just going through the motions and marking time to get through re-election, certainly. That is his nature, not a rational non persona centered bone in his body. Everything is about him including the Universe. If we let short term political gains take priority over our longer term national interest we will find out selves back where we did around 8:30 AM Hawaii time on Dec, 7th 1941. Capable and effective military capability is a capital investment that requires decades to develop. We are slowly throwing it away in order to maintain two low intensity conflicts where there is neither clear cut military goals or sufficient effort to do anything beyond hold back the flood until the last possible moment where we tuck tail and run home again as we did in Vietnam. Half arseism isn’t a military strategy to win anything. Neither is running away and leaving the job unfinished.
Mike W| 4.11.11 @ 10:00PM
Everything done in Iraq was a waste. All the money spent. All of the lives lost. All of the body parts blown off. A pointless insane waste brought to us by a deeply flawed, but not all bad, president.
There was no rational justification for the invasion of Iraq. None. Any common sense analysis at the time would indicate this. In 2002-2003, I looked on in dismay, as the people I voted for, took us into a disaster that will reverberate for years.
Dee See| 4.11.11 @ 11:51PM
Suddenly (or not so suddenly if you're among the
non-hypnotized) ---Iraq and all that's a sideshow
to the 'EUGENICS friendly' disaster in Fukishima
unfolding in the CHEM-trail soaked skies of
North America.
AS the second quake hits on yet another 11 day
and even the Japanese gov is admitting is far
worse than Chernobyl-----------as monitors
here are seized and 'adjusted'
Keep a goin' kiddies----------
Keep passing on that cover!
As radiation is set to swell even beyond the gov's
massively 'relaxed' 'standards'
---------------------JUST KEEP A GOIN'!
'cause nothin's goin' on!-------------------
National march on the New York FED and
Rockefeller/Ford/Carnegie/Gates Foundation offices this July 4th!
HUAC meets NUREMBERG by 2012!
NO LONGER JOKING ----they're
Occam's Tool| 4.12.11 @ 1:25AM
Good question. Our legal scholar here is RCV, not me.
However, illegally taking over another nation's embassy (US, 1979) would seem to me to be a casus belli. Following that up with attempts to terroristically kill citizens of that same country would seem to me to be another casus belli. Attempting to develop nuclear weapos to use against US citizens or US allies would seem to me to be a third casus belli (France will be within range).
Seems to me that we have enough to destroy them with, in a rational world.
Occam's Tool| 4.12.11 @ 1:51AM
By the way, Clint's Greatest Hits:
Clint| 2.8.11 @ 8:52PM
"The April 6 and Khaled Said groups have emerged as the organizers of the anti-Mubarak coalition. "
" Leftists, socialists and pro-labor people know that the movement takes its name from April 6, 2008, when a series of strikes and labor actions by textile workers in Mahalla led to a growing general strike by workers and residents and then, on April 6, faced a brutal crackdown by security forces. A second, allied movement of young Egyptians developed in response to the killing by police of Khaled Said, a university graduate, in Alexandria. Both the April 6 group and another group, called We Are All Khaled Said, built networks through Facebook, and according to one account the April 6 group has more than 80,000 members on Facebook. The two groups, which work together, are nearly entirely secular, pro-labor and support the overthrow of Mubarak and the creation of a democratic republic."
Uh, huh. Happening.
Richard Baker| 4.12.11 @ 9:20AM
Legal, schmeagle. The Iranians want to take over in the Mid-East and have threatened one and all with nuclear weapons via missile delivery and are the main supporters around the world of terrorists. Send in the CIA, the SOCOM folks and let's help the Iranians get rid of their kleptocracy/theocracy themselves.
Rights Constitution'ly Viewed | 4.12.11 @ 12:17PM
By the way, Occam's Tool's Greatest Hits:
Occam's Tool | 4.12.11 @ 1:51AM
"Our legal scholar here is RCV"
Real Christian Virtue (Love)| 4.12.11 @ 12:27PM
By the way, Occam's Tool's legal scholar RCV's Greatest Hits:
RCV | 10.20.10 @ 9:30PM
"I abhor sanctimonious conservatism of the tea party brand, an ideology wholly lacking in intelligence or a shred of real Christian love and compassion."
RCV | 12.7.10 @ 6:27PM
"At least, skippie, I belong to a party that cares about human beings AFTER they're born."
Retchedly Contemptibly Vile| 4.12.11 @ 12:36PM
I don't bother with silly constitutional issues about unalienable rights endowed by our Creator that are self-evident such as life and liberty as it relates to killing fifty three million innocent unborn American babies when opining as resident expert on liberal supremacy matters.
Roy| 4.12.11 @ 5:13PM
At the end of an article making a lot of decent points, Mr. Babbin adds:
"Who among them will stand up to say that the nation-builders are wrong, and that stalemate is not a goal?
It's just as my source wrote almost seven years ago: Why do we think -- almost a decade after 9-11 -- that if you leave bad guys alone they will leave you alone? The bonfire of the neocons continues to blaze."
I see - so the "neocons" think that if you leave bad guys alone they will leave you alone. That is, erm, not the usual accusation.
Creative Recreation | 8.10.11 @ 10:30PM
is good