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Breaking News
Turnabout in Wisconsin
The gloating left tastes stunning, bitter defeat.
Wow! That’s really all I can say as I read the news that a County Clerk in Wisconsin failed to save on her computer, and thus failed to report, 14,315 votes cast in the heavily Republican city of Brookfield.
Those new votes, combined with “typing errors” in two other parts of the County appear to add a net 7,582 to Prosser over Kloppenburg, giving the incumbent non-leftist justice a lead of about 7,378 votes before other vote total adjustments from around the state. With a total of votes cast at about 1.494 million, the current margin of Prosser’s lead is now less than 100 votes short of what would be needed to force Kloppenburg to have to pay for a recount, an effort that would cost at least a million dollars and would be, in my view, as good a use of union dues money as anything; after all, it would keep them from being able to spend that money in another election.
If any more errors are found prior to a recount process which add to Prosser’s lead, one could see a situation where there is no longer a free, automatic recount, though if that were going to happen you’d probably expect it to have happened already. So far, the reported changes in vote totals in other counties are small, with a net gain for Kloppenburg based on one news report of about 30 votes over seven counties, nowhere near enough for her to reclaim victory, but putting her slightly more safely inside the margin needed for a free recount.
The Kloppenburg campaign is, appropriately and not surprisingly, “filing open records requests for all relevant documentation related to the reporting of election results in Waukesha County, as well as to the discovery and reporting of the errors announced by the County.” The vice-chair of the Waukesha Democratic Party acknowledged that she and Democrat election watchers were “satisfied that (the new count) is correct.”
Although I’m rarely shocked by the arrogance of politicians, and even giving Mrs. Kloppenburg a little wiggle room for not being a seasoned politician, the arrogance of her press conference on Wednesday was annoying and disturbing, showing a remarkable self-centeredness for someone angling to be a Supreme Court Justice.
The first question to her during that conference: “How do you feel comfortable declaring victory when the margin is so thin? Certainly Justice Prosser’s supporters think they may be able to pull out a victory in a recount process.” Kloppenburg mostly dodged the question, offering some pablum about having run a “respectful” campaign, adding “and we did win and we’re confident that the margin will hold.”
The questioner persisted: “Many observers say that with a vote count that’s this close, that could be one adding error in one county that’s making up the difference. Why do you feel that vote count is so reliable at this point in time?” (This reporter certainly gets the Carnac award for the month…) Kloppenburg’s response: “You know, the number showed that we won and we are gratified to have that victory in hand.”
Later, Kloppenburg said she was “confident that the (Government Accountability Board) will certify the numbers that we all have in front of us now” and that “we are enjoying our victory.”
Another question from a reporter who was also gunning for the Carnac award: “What would happen if during the canvassing certification that the vote flips around and Justice Prosser wins? Would you seek to challenge that?” Kloppenburg: “I won’t speculate. We’ve won right now and we’re pleased with our victory.”
In typical leftist fashion, a commenter on the Democratic Underground (with agreement from others), never fearful of the most intense hypocrisy, suggested, “In a civilized world we could expect Prosser to concede” even if the original count showed him “beaten by one vote.” Can anyone say Bush v. Gore?
I don’t like anything that makes American elections look “dodgy,” as my Australian wife might say, but despite the expected grousing on the left there is no reason to think that this was anything other than simple human error (leaving out the totals for an entire city is much less likely to be an attempt at fraud than some huge change in a city’s original count would be).
Still, one can’t help but sit back and enjoy — at least for a few minutes because obviously this is a rather fluid situation — an election where the last votes aren’t from Democrat strongholds, aren’t likely to be votes by the dead, the illegal, the late-arriving absentees, and the incarcerated — each group a remarkably reliable Democrat voting bloc, such as those who gave the U.S. Senate Race to Al Franken in 2008.
Although this is just a statewide judicial race, the implications are substantial, perhaps made all the more substantial by the apparent change in victors. If Kloppenburg had won (or if she does end up winning), it could be highly motivating for unions and other leftist organizations; they would come to believe that with enough advertising spending, they can convince taxpayers that, as Ann Coulter aptly put it, “People who are already suffering have to suffer more so that those who are doing pretty well don’t have to suffer at all.”
A Kloppenburg victory would likely spur the unions’ fund-raising gains and generally raise their level of political optimism just at a time when the Tea Party and other supporters of liberty and capitalism feel that the left is finally on the ropes in America (at least until the next time that the public forgets just how bad Progressivism is for our economic health). A Kloppenburg defeat, especially after the left poured a few million dollars into the race early, propelling Kloppenburg from being at least 30% behind in the polls to being in a dead heat even in internal GOP polls, according to National Review, should take the wind out of its sails. The gut-punch should be that much more intense for the unions after believing they won.
One has to wonder, after blowing millions in union dues money on this race, and after perhaps $10 million incinerated in a failed attempt to beat Arkansas Senator Blanche Lincoln in a primary challenge after Lincoln came out against “card check,” when the average union man or woman will revolt, even a little bit, against their money being wasted like this. Still, at the level of the union bosses this is an existential battle for their power and they won’t give up until the last of their members has been sacrificed on the altars of “social justice” and “soaking the rich.” Too bad it’s really the rank and file being soaked.
About the Author
Ross Kaminsky is a self-employed trader and investor and is a senior fellow of the Heartland Institute. He is the host of The Ross Kaminsky Show on Denver’s NewsRadio 850 KOA at 11 AM on most Sundays. You can reach Ross by e-mail at rossputin(at)rossputin(dot)com.
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Mike Gabel| 4.8.11 @ 9:45AM
Even if Prosser is declared the winer, conservatives must remain vigilant and ready. The unions are poised for war and there are many Kloppenburg's out there chomping at the bit to impose their statist agenda.
Ross Kaminsky | 4.8.11 @ 9:46AM
No doubt about it, Mike.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 4.8.11 @ 9:47AM
Kloppenburg is a typical liberal. Claim victory when there is no victory and no gracious concession speech when you've obviously lost.
Charming they are not!
Josh2005| 4.8.11 @ 9:52AM
Public sector unions are nothing but massive money-laudering operations for the Democrats party. Think about it. Democrats give power to unions. Then unions use that power to collect mandatory dues from all public employees, who are paid with tax dollars. Overwhelmingly, those union dues are then donated to Democrats. So if you cut out the middle-man, the whole thing is just a way for Democrats to steal tax money for their own reelection campaigns. It's disgusting.
Pete| 4.8.11 @ 9:52AM
This may have been a mistake, but even if it was, Republican election officials countrywide should take note because it is brilliant strategy. By not reporting that city's vote count, it caused the Dems to underplay their fraud hand. Think about that. They always do just enough to steal an election overnight. Thinking the target was set, they magically came up with the votes to win by a nose (after Dem precincts had all already reported, curiously) like they always do. And then the hammer drops and the fraud would be too obvious now to come up with 7K votes. Perfect strategy. Just beautiful, in fact.
Doug| 4.8.11 @ 9:52AM
schadenfreude
ACynic| 4.8.11 @ 9:54AM
The lefties will not let this stand. They have never, ever lost a close election (Bush 2000 excepted), and they will not lose this one. They will produce whatever number of votes needed to win, and if not, will challenge it in court and have it tossed.
You are counting your chickens before they hatch.
Ken (Old Texican)| 4.8.11 @ 9:59AM
Thanks, Ross.
This election is a pure "wind-vane in a bottle" for our country.
If the 60% of 'makers' won't get off their dead butts to vote out the 'takers'..........we have no paddle in this creek.
Agent Rose| 4.8.11 @ 10:02AM
You are wrong on this and BEWARE. As noted commentators have said for the Democrats there is no such thing as losing. A la Minnesota. They win by recounts. They win by "unexpected findings" of votes in cars and trucks. NOW IS THE TIME TO BE SUPER CAUTIOUS. They have taken over less than a state supreme court justice with these tactics. Tell all clerks, counters, true to voters to be on the watch
Ross Kaminsky | 4.8.11 @ 10:03AM
Pete, GREAT point. And Agent Rose, similar point to Pete and quite important as well.
Dustoff| 4.8.11 @ 10:10AM
We had the same thing happen in Wa state. Except the win went to a Rep. The dem's counted over & over and the rep still won. Then all of a sudden a small bag of votes were found in a corner and guess what. The dem won by just over 100 votes.
Ellis Wyatt| 4.8.11 @ 10:14AM
After Kloppenburg "won' this was touted as an election with national consequences. Will be interesting to see how narrative changes. Seems like the left may have also realized that push polling and minority protests are not the best way to gauge true public opinion.
Dc| 4.8.11 @ 10:22AM
Anyone in that Wisconsin county without a union sticker or union sign in his yard had best load the guns and be prepared for serious civil unrest, if not full-scale war.
Whether strategy or happenstance I do love the Republicans' position here; it will be hard for the Demons to overcome this "legally," but that's never stopped them from trying. As noted above, I expect Compton/Rodney King-style rioting fomented and funded by union thieves, against anyone perceived as not supporting them. After a few days, they'll find a few thousand more votes, maybe threaten, kill or injure a few of the folks in charge of the recounts (or their families), and we all know the outcome from there on. This is a long way from over, unfortunately.
buckeyeman| 4.8.11 @ 10:27AM
Could this have been a miscalculation on the part of the County Clerk? Had Kloppenburg's "victory" been by several thousand would the clerk have come forward? The narrow 204 difference virtually guaranteed a recount where the "missing" city would have been uncovered. How can an entire city's votes be "misplaced" anyway? The revelation of how easily this election was altered is truly frightening, even if Prosser wins.
Cuffs| 4.8.11 @ 10:30AM
Did the left in Wisconsin borrow the guys from
Nevada who rigged Reid's bogus election?
Purple Lips| 4.8.11 @ 10:36AM
Some people spotted a Cook County van filled with over-stuffed duffle bags speeding north into Wisconsin...
Old Soldier| 4.8.11 @ 10:37AM
Pete - Exactly what I was thinking.
Citizen Jerry| 4.8.11 @ 10:51AM
Just something to make you say, "Hmm." If the chain of custody is every broken on evidence in a criminal trial, it gets thrown out because of potential tampering. If the chain of custody is broken on votes and a big bag (all for the Democrat) is "mysteriously" found in some poll worker's trunk, Democrats demand they be counted.
Redstateboy| 4.8.11 @ 10:59AM
"an election where the last votes aren't from Democrat strongholds, aren't likely to be votes by the dead, the illegal, the late-arriving absentees, and the incarcerated -- each group a remarkably reliable Democrat voting bloc.."
You know what's really disgusting? The Slave Party can't even deny this fact.
Cro-magnon| 4.8.11 @ 11:13AM
Prosser was on Greta last night, and even with the 7,000 vote margin, he still would not claim victory because the canvassing was not complete. Yet earlier Kloppenburg pronouced herself the winner by 200 votes! What a twit.
Doctor Right| 4.8.11 @ 11:14AM
HAH-HAH!!!!!!!
LOL!
Peeing my pants laughing!!!!
Where's our resident liberal smart-asses, now? Where's vtwin, or David Brook's illegitimate son??
BWAH-HAH-HAH!!!!!!
ShortNsweet| 4.8.11 @ 11:18AM
Josh2005 -
You hit the nail on the head!!! Couldn't have been better said. I can't believe the criminality of it all! It speaks volumns about the morality at the heart of many...or the lack thereof! So, so sad.
Michael L. Hauschild| 4.8.11 @ 11:19AM
The real irony is that the tables have been reversed honestly. The margin of victory was not manufactured, it were real. The democrats applied all the influence they could muster, out of state donations, Union thuggery, and all for not. Unlike the Franken debacle they became overconfident; their leverage was expended on the wrong end of the process.
Mimi| 4.8.11 @ 11:22AM
Just when...will America wake up and call this UNION THUGGERY exactly what it is....TREASON ? Where in Gods name is the FBI ? They are planning to go in high-mode in the month of MAY...Get prepared for their " SHOW" I'm beginning to think the 2012 election will not be a routine, as usual event. We REALLY have to take back AMERICA they are truly out to DESTROY!!!!!!!
George S| 4.8.11 @ 11:23AM
The rank and file are not being "soaked" -- they are being paid with tax dollars and have tax dollars "taken away". That is like saying you won the lottery but taxes stole half of the winnings. The unions will replenish that cash and come back for another fight -- a recall election or what have you.
Maybe a Kloppenburg victory would have had an upside: if a judge rules that a duly elected legislature cannot rescind its own laws, or that collective bargaining is a constitutional right (even though created by an act of legislation), then a case for impeachment vis-a-vis incompetence or malfeasance could be made by the executive. I would rather see judges dismissed than lose elections. This way it is the rule of law -- not 7500 votes out of 1.5 million -- that prevails. We simply cannot survive as a republic if half the voters cast a ballot for a judge who has the specific intention of unconstitutionally overturning legislation.
Petronius| 4.8.11 @ 11:24AM
When the Democrats hijacked the school board election that ruined a once prosperous midwestern city, they simply voted all uncast ballots in one section of town after the polls closed. After fraud was claimed, the hand picked election commission advisors, (all leftist academics), filed a bogus report and the new all black school board handed the public schools over to the AFT. When a lawyer representing the old board finally got his hands on the log books from that election, he discovered thousands of signatures in those registration logs had the same hand writing. And these things will happen again and again until enough honest Americans risk all they have to bring these amoral despots to book at the point of a 12 gauge auto before rolling cameras. Conservatives will keep on losing until there is public revelation and halt to Democrat cheating.
JmsA| 4.8.11 @ 11:30AM
I believe thanks to be in order for Wisconsin democrats. The shenanigans of fleebagging democrat senators and the attacks by the union thugs on republicans showed everyone what they're really all about and in doing so made it easy for the voters of Wisconsin to not elect the radical, leftist democrat. Congratulations Wisconsin, you've done this country a great service.
S&WM;&P| 4.14.11 @ 5:16PM
Thanks! But as the vote count was coming in that night, it didn't make for a good sleep! Then in the AM it felt as if we had been punched below the belt. You can only imagine the joy we had at the news the count was off by over 7,000 votes. We, the home of the Flee Party, rejoice!
Oldefarte| 4.8.11 @ 11:36AM
Typical hypocracy from the moronic Democrats and their bed-mates, the gutter sleezy labor unions. Government workers are truly STUPID for allowing themselves to be manipulated by these labor union thugs!!!!!!!!!
mbd| 4.8.11 @ 11:37AM
It needs to be emphasized that the 'report' by the County Clerk that omitted the votes cast in Brookfield was nothing more than an informal report given to the media. The official count and report process is what is now going on. On the official count - reviewed by the Democratic and Republican official in each county - Prosser seems to have the clear lead.
ABNCP| 4.8.11 @ 11:38AM
Wisconsin and other States that allow same day registration voting ipso facto allow voter fraud.
That there was massive voter fraud because Wisconsin allows same day voter registration cannot be in question.
The fact that Prosser may pull this one out shows
the people of Wisconsin, dispite and maybe because of the union thugs outrageous display at the Capitol, still understand the imp0rtance of their Governor's program and by and large support it. I believe Obama and his union minions
my be starting to realize WE THE PEOPLE are begining to take charge of this country.
vtwin| 4.8.11 @ 11:41AM
Scott Walker’s Union Busting Bill passed illegally in the dead of night, Paul Ryan’s “deficit reduction” bill that includes a deficit increasing 10% tax cut for only the wealthy, and now Kathy Nickolaus a Republican hack with just enough newly discovered votes from a wealthy suburb west of Milwaukee to tip the contest in Prosser’s favor, the assault on the middle class begun during the Reagan years by the wealthy continues.
JmsA| 4.8.11 @ 11:45AM
"Too bad it's really the rank and file being soaked."
No, not too bad; they like it and keep on coming back for more. They're the ones that make it happen and in doing so fleece the hardworking, overburdened American taxpayers.
Peter McGrath| 4.8.11 @ 11:55AM
Kloppenburg was a bolshevik union hack who didn't have any business adjudicating misdemeanor traffic violations, let alone sitting on a state supreme court. The syndicalist thugs who propped her up really screwed the pooch on this one.
They'll put their remaining ammo into the recall efforts. They'll never give up, so long as their graft-stained fingers maintain a death grip on taxpayer funded union dues.
Walker's reforms will gradually pry those dollars loose, and freedom will (finally) start to dawn in WI.
Kloppenburg on the Wisconsin high court, along with the appalling Shirley Abrahamson (a corrupt, trial-lawyer hack of the penultimate degree) would have been a disaster.
Abrahamson has been a blight on the people of Wisconsin and is a disgrace to the legal profession. Here's a handy link detailing her corruption:
Peter McGrath| 4.8.11 @ 11:55AM
Kloppenburg was a bolshevik union hack who didn't have any business adjudicating misdemeanor traffic violations, let alone sitting on a state supreme court. The syndicalist thugs who propped her up really screwed the pooch on this one.
They'll put their remaining ammo into the recall efforts. They'll never give up, so long as their graft-stained fingers maintain a death grip on taxpayer funded union dues.
Walker's reforms will gradually pry those dollars loose, and freedom will (finally) start to dawn in WI.
Kloppenburg on the Wisconsin high court, along with the appalling Shirley Abrahamson (a corrupt, trial-lawyer hack of the penultimate degree) would have been a disaster.
Abrahamson has been a blight on the people of Wisconsin and is a disgrace to the legal profession. Here's a handy link detailing her corruption:
Ed| 4.8.11 @ 11:56AM
In Ohio, the poll workers in each precinct are 50% Republicans and 50% Democrats, so the watchers are watching each other. Also, if a County Board of Elections head is a Democrat, the deputy head is a Republican, and vice versa. The system is not perfect, but it is a whole lot better than what Illinois and Wisconsin have.
RCV| 4.8.11 @ 11:58AM
Ah, yes. The former long-time employee of the Wisconsin Republican Caucus (when Prosser was the Republican Assembly leader in the state) suddenly "discovers" an error that gives the win to her former boss. Nothing fishy here.
The One Who Runs Like A Duck| 4.8.11 @ 12:02PM
Look on the bright side, vtwin. Sure we got our butts kicked and frankly deservedly so. We haven't had an original idea in 100 years. There is always golf and vacations however. There is nothing like getting out on the golf course on a spring day. Not that you would ever be allowed on my golf course but I am sure there is one for you somewhere. Let us get on to the battle that is important. Boehner and me for 18 holes. I need for you guys to do what you do best. Pay for some union thugs to charge onto the golf course and scream at Boehner just before he hits. I will act like I am disgusted with you but deep down I will know that we are doing this for the people. We progressives are so smart. We came up with the Chevy Volt and wind farms. We invented the expressions "man caused disasters" and"overseas contingency operations". We demagogued gitmo, military tribunals, rendition and the Patriot Act and now we back them all. We invent crazy conspiracy theories about Halliburton and now we get them their no-bid contracts. Yes we are the smart ones. High speed rail to the polls in Wisconsin, baby. Make sure your boyfriend always wears a condom. You are to valuable to lose.
blackwatch| 4.8.11 @ 12:08PM
First we need to eliminate computer touch screen ballots and return to paper ballots.
And it is time for the GOP and the Independents to bring up legislation that every voters thumb print must be attached to all paper ballots.
All paper ballots should have a serial number and all serial numbers for blank ballots must be cut off the ballot at the close of the polls. Blank ballots should be further spoiled with a sharpie marker. A trio of party poll watcher (one GOP, one Democrat, one Independent) would each initial the spoiled ballots with the sharpie marker--further voiding it.
Then the ballots are removed from the voting place by a government poll worker (and they will be accompanied by this same trio of party poll watchers) to the central counting center. No counting of any ballots until all ballots from every precinct are inside the building. Once the first count has been made ALL outstanding are voided.
NO MORE I FOUND A BAG OF BALLOTS IN MY TRUNK, OH I'M SO SORRY CRAP!!!!
Anthony| 4.8.11 @ 12:09PM
This is unbelievable. As a nation we appear to be unable to function and perform basic tasks that have been required of officials in the past, and which have been performed properly, absent a few places like Chicago and Louisiana.
Every election, especially since 2000, seems to be rife with voting calculation delays, improper voting and miscounted or missing ballots.
How is it that as a nation we are failing in these basic responsibilities?
In addition, state legislatures, usually controlled by Ds, have allowed for voter fraud, especially with same day voter registration.
This one worked out for us, but the future does not look good, especially with 2012 on the horizon and the Ds and the unions all in for Obozo.
We damn well had better get a handle on this; we need to insist on rational voter laws that do not play into the Ds desire to steal elections. In addition, we need to step up, volunteer at voter precincts to help stop the fraud that the Ds need in order to win elections.
MTB| 4.8.11 @ 12:20PM
"In typical leftist fashion, a commenter on the Democratic Underground (with agreement from others), never fearful of the most intense hypocrisy, suggested, "In a civilized world we could expect Prosser to concede" even if the original count showed him "beaten by one vote."
Well, Ms. Kloppenberg, we're waiting.
vtwin| 4.8.11 @ 12:23PM
WTF, Republican shenanigans at the polling box and Anthony blames the Democrats?
Al Adab| 4.8.11 @ 12:25PM
The Left, having created the Franken-furter now gets to taste it themselves. Irony is delicious is it not?
Amos Ploppin| 4.8.11 @ 12:42PM
Does this mean The Kloppenburg Cloggers won't be dancin' at The Victory Celebration?
JeffT| 4.8.11 @ 12:48PM
When will the rank and file of the debauched unions rise up against their Massas? Probably never, but it would be nice to see.
Wayne | 4.8.11 @ 1:07PM
This is a victory for Walker. No doubt about it. While I understand the pessimism, I see a difference. People are speaking out and not so easily intimidated. The thuggery on the left works because it causes fear, not because it represents a majority.
Susan| 4.8.11 @ 1:20PM
Don't worry I have a big duffle bag in my trunk, just in case...
ENOUGH ROPE| 4.8.11 @ 1:28PM
Democratic officeholders are mostly communists.
ABNCP| 4.8.11 @ 1:47PM
vtwin your wrong again and again. Kathy Nickolas is a Waukesha Democrat County Clerk.
Dixie Pixie| 4.8.11 @ 1:55PM
Mimi....Do you really expect AG. Holder to prosecute Democrat voter fraud after the Black Panthers Case.
PS...Webmaster Please bring back the (Reply To) function or at lest explain why it was deleted.
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Mitch Angoop| 4.8.11 @ 2:06PM
I see that vtwin finally crawled back out from under his rock to issue yet another vacuous comment. If he took his 'troll-like' comments and small brain somewhere else, I wouldn't have nearly as many laughs in my day. He is the epitome' of the moronic leftie who parrots whatever his masters tell him to say; regardless of the abject stupidity of the message.
I will not believe the election in Wisconsis is over until Justice Prosser is confirmed and safely ensconced back in his chambers while his inadequate challenger is off cleaning floors somewhere in a McDonalds; her true level of accomplishment in her pathetic little life. Never trust any democrat, because we all know they have no morals, no scruples, and will do anything to get their way. This whole sorry episode in Wisconsin has been invaluable in showing all Americans how far democrats will stoop in their quest to destroy the America we know and love.
John Navratil| 4.8.11 @ 2:07PM
vtwin,
Shenanigans? Canvassing isn't complete, let alone recounts. Talk about situational ethics, you've got 'em in spades. Do we expect a "civilized" concession from Kloppenburg (whose name derives from a brawler), I don't think so.
JmsA| 4.8.11 @ 2:27PM
That's correct, Navratil, Kloppen is the German plural of Kloppe/Klopfe: beating, blows, etc. You're wasting your time with guy though; he'll never get it.
JmsA| 4.8.11 @ 2:29PM
Spelling correction: meant to write, with that guy though.
Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 4.8.11 @ 2:31PM
Dixie: You're right!! Where is the Reply To This button? You can't get into a good fight with VTwit (or his Comrades), when you're thirty comments away from his stupid post. This back to the past comments version sucks, just like the Democratic Party sucks!! If this is American Spectator's idea of an improvement for their website, they're wrong, just like the Democratic Party is wrong when it comes to everything. Bring back the Repy To This Button, don't act like a Democrat!!
Doorgunner| 4.8.11 @ 2:43PM
Vtwinky is upthet. Cwy Vtwinky, cwy...
... 'cuz it's like breakfast to us.
cyberdog| 4.8.11 @ 2:48PM
To quote the Springfield Elementary School bully, Nelson Muntz: "HA HA, You Fell Down".
John Navratil| 4.8.11 @ 2:57PM
JmsA,
I know he'll never get it. Sometimes, I just can't help myself. The trolls come, stay a while, then leave. The one who gave me the most amusement was David Mathews, but he's been gone for a couple of years. He would pop in, reply to just about anyone with a scatter-shot of invective and mis-information. vtwin can't hold a candle to him. Ahh - - the old days!
MacDaddy| 4.8.11 @ 4:04PM
Oh, look! vtwin showed up, finally. Typical rant. Thanks for stopping by, V...welcome to the victory party. Care for a glass of champagne, or will you stick with your usual bile with a chaser of bitter gall?
Occam's Tool| 4.8.11 @ 4:21PM
Quite pleasing to see Vermine T Maggot (Vermin's sister), Attorney at Law, lose the election. Ummm. Yummy, yummy tears.
Thomas Paine| 4.8.11 @ 4:29PM
For those who haven't read the story, or other accounts, let me explain it AGAIN:
1. Voters vote - this is where real fraud comes in - felons, illegals, non-residents, dead, etc -- without Voter ID
2. Polls close and ballots (incl. absentee) are counted in the precincts
3. Results are sent to the county board along with the ballots
4. County boards report to Associated Press and others their "UNOFFICIAL" tallies (Note: Milwaukee and Sauk were the majority of the late reporting precincts - the Dem strategy to "see how many votes we need to find to win")
5. Vote must be verified by state canvassing org
6. During canvass checking of the totals in Waukesha, the administrator finds she reported ZERO VOTES for Brookfield to the UNOFFICIAL tally
7. They add the totals for Brookfield
That's it -- no "found votes" -- they were there, missing from the unofficial tally, and the ballots ARE STILL THERE. If there's a recount, they'll be there to be counted.
There were no Frankenvotes, no boxes "found" etc.
To echo another commenter, if this was a strategy to flush out Dem late phony votes, it was brilliant -- the Brookfield ballots are there, they do exist, but not reporting the tally accidently (or purposely) "set the bar" for Dems to get Klop over ... which they did ... only to find they were Charlie Brown and fixing the accidental (or otherwise) clerk's error was LUCY PULLING AWAY THE FOOTBALL....
To summarize, leaving Brookfield's votes out was:
1. Intentional - BRAVO, CLERK! Dems late reporting districts put Klop up by 204 ... Brookfield crushed their returns with real, tangible ballots
2. Accidental - BRAVO, GOD! Great plan.
Joe R| 4.8.11 @ 4:34PM
Hopefully, if there is indeed a recount, Governor Walker and his people will keep a close eye on things in case of Democratic chicanery. Unlike two years ago in neighboring Minnesota where Governor T-Paw sat back and twiddled his thumbs while liberal thugs stole the election for Al Franken.
The Big E| 4.8.11 @ 4:39PM
Listening to Democrats complain about a Republican winning an election the Democrats rightfully stole is akin to listening to a Mexican drug lord complain about all the gunfire in the neighborhood keeping him awake at night.
And by the way - PLEASE BRING THE REPLY TO COMMENT BUTTON BACK!!!!!!
Al Adab| 4.8.11 @ 4:54PM
Although I guess the absebse of the reply button keeps the trolls at bay, I suspect we miss the ability to converse with one another through that medium. Some day, we need to have a convention of AmSpec bloggers so we can actually meet one another.
Reprobate Contemptibly Vile| 4.8.11 @ 5:26PM
I don't worry about silly contradictions on real Christian love and abortion when rooting out truly fishy matters.
Intelligent Design| 4.8.11 @ 5:31PM
Did the country clerk sucker punch the Dems, or is the clerk a Dem who deleted the conservative votes and then had second thoughts about committing fraud? Machiavelli would love this.
What happened to the Reply to Comment feature?
Retched Corrupted Vice| 4.8.11 @ 5:37PM
I don't bother with silly points made by Thomas Paine at 4:29 pm when sanctimoniously commenting on the relevance of truly fishy matters.
emo| 4.8.11 @ 5:44PM
For all those worried about the left stealing this in the recount. It took six months for the left to steal the Coleman/Franken race and that was only 250 votes. They cant steal this, it is too big to manufacture 7000+ votes.
emo| 4.8.11 @ 5:47PM
There was a analysis of the Supreme Court election results in the Senate districts of those Senators facing recall. Prosser won in 7/8 GOP District with 55% or more and in the 8th it was 50/50. Kloppenburg won in only 5/8 Dem districts facing recall. So it is very possible the Dems could lose 3 and gain 1 in the recall.
justasimplepatriot| 4.8.11 @ 5:52PM
I would stand in line to donate money to fund an exhaustive investigation into the legitimacy of all who voted in this election. I suspect we could jail several thousand Libs.
Rancid Contaminated Vomitus| 4.8.11 @ 5:59PM
I don't concern myself with silly observations like the justasimplepatriot post at 5:52 pm when sniffing out what a real Christian finds to be fishy matters.
Roy| 4.8.11 @ 6:50PM
I am from WI, and I was SURE Kloppenburg would win - Nobody cares about these elections, and normally the unions win elections they care about and nobody else does though raw organizational power.
I guess conservatives managed to turn out a few too..does make me cautiously optimistic.
beebop| 4.8.11 @ 6:50PM
' ... Public sector unions are nothing but massive money-laudering operations for the Democrats party. Think about it. Democrats give power to unions. Then unions use that power to collect mandatory dues from all public employees, who are paid with tax dollars. Overwhelmingly, those union dues are then donated to Democrats. So if you cut out the middle-man, the whole thing is just a way for Democrats to steal tax money for their own reelection campaigns. It's disgusting...'
And.
They intend to levy an additional $50 per sucker -- er, member -- to pay for their crazy and misguided campaigns ... regardless of whether you support the candidates getting money from them or not ... gotta love it.
Frisbee| 4.8.11 @ 7:56PM
This is SUCH good news!! This is the first I heard, as I've been busy with the kids. The last I'd heard was that the Klopperwhatsit had won.
Richard Baker| 4.8.11 @ 8:44PM
Remember, this clerk was observed by the local Democrats doing her job and they haven't kicked about the mistake. Down with Public Servic Unions!
Richie| 4.8.11 @ 9:56PM
The union rank and file sheep unfortunately, for
them will be the pawns in this chess game. Being
fed by the unions in the hopes that voters somehow cannot think for themselves on who is on their side.
Liberal leftist socialist union leaders should realize that by put up these recalls----they invite
the recall of the Democrats who flew the state
to prevent a vote. All Republicans need is one
extra senator then, what is left of the Democrats can yet, walk again. This time, it would not
matter as there would be a quorum. Also, the
rank and file union members should realize that
the financial stability of the State of Wisconsin is
in their long term interests as that would guarantee that they will continue to have jobs.
What good is collective bargaining if you are laid off? You will not be part of it, you will not be paying union dues and certainly, not campaign
contributions to the Democrats! So, would you
rather have a job or collective bargaining? This
is such a simple choice really if one uses one's
head.
proreason| 4.8.11 @ 10:25PM
Why doesn't anyone say the obvious. The liberals knew there was a problem with the vote count when Kloppendoppen declared victory. They have people who know how all of the counties vote, just like Anne Althouse does. There is no chance they were ignorent of the fact that there was going to be a big swing. The press knew as well. They have professional vote counters on their STAFFS for god's sake.
The woman declared victory as soon as she got an infinitesmal lead, knowing that she had lost for the sole purpose of establishing a rational to try to steal the election after the full vote tally came in.
valwayne| 4.8.11 @ 10:59PM
I have to admit that I didn't have the kind of faith in the voters of Wisconsin that I should have! I assumed that with tens of thousands of teachers and government workers so entrenched in the corruption between their unions and the democrats that has been filling the troughs they've been feeding at that they were likely to be more motivated to get out and vote than the average working Americans that have been robbed by the corruption. I'm happy to say that I was wrong! This election shows the wisdom of the voters of Wisconsin who voted to end the corruption and bring their state back from the edge of fiscal insanity and collapse. To any of the teachers and public employee unions that went to the polls and voted for decency and honesty rather than for the corruption, I also apologize to you. The results would indicate that there are many honest decent people that are members of the public employee unions who voted for honesty and decency rather than the corrupt deal between their unions bosses and the democrats. Congratulations Wisconsin! The nation will notice and you give us hope that we can fix our problems!
Rowdy Boots| 4.8.11 @ 11:50PM
Thank God that ARROGANT, BLOWHARD KLOPPENBURG LOST.
I could not stand the smug, self-satisfied look on her face when she "claimed Victory".
Her phony humility was really bad acting.
Rowdy Boots
Nick| 4.9.11 @ 12:22AM
Everybody all together now:
"THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE !!!"
You cheating, stinking bleeeding heart liberals!
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-!
Jason| 4.9.11 @ 2:34AM
I don't know if this was human error or pure genius. After all it was clear Dems were going to wait and see what the totals were so they knew how many votes to manufacture. There at the end they finally claimed the lead thinking they could easily manipulate a recount with the margin within a few hundred. Then all of a sudden the Repubs pull out 7000 votes! More than enough to withstand the cheating that would take place later.
Again, not sure if it was just dumb luck human error, or genius; but either way it feels good :=)
Patrick| 4.9.11 @ 3:51AM
vtwin - For all the years of living in Milwaukee, and putting up with loathsome, knuckle-dragging, fraudulent wretches such as yourself: HA HA! You put an air-headed ditz who's greatest accomplishment was to put an 80 year old farmer in jail for planting crops as your nominee for Supreme Court justice. May this be the second of many, slow, painful defeats for you worthless freeloaders.
@all those worried about the recount: We aren't nearly as gullible as those Vikings fans. I wouldn't doubt that this was a Xanatos Gambit for a moment. Having lived in Waukesha for the majority of my life, I can honestly state that its population is stridently right-wing, who have given up on losing nice to the inevitable vote fraud operations in Milwaukee and Dane Counties. All those votes are legit, and it was specifically Brookfield that was "accidentally" excluded because its population is further to the right than most in Idaho, and everyone knows it.
@those who think that the WI Dem party has a sinister plan: Seriously, these people have been so used to winning easily through fraud that they've never had to think on their feet before.
Michael Tomlinson| 4.9.11 @ 7:13AM
Never underestimate the Democrats ability to steal a sure thing.
Gordon W.| 4.9.11 @ 8:15AM
Typical liberal fashion... What about the typical conservative fashion, losing ballets that would surely help your side. Only to find them on her computer? This is straight out of a movie.
Also the statement that the votes took Prosser right under the state funded recount is false, it was a couple hundred votes above that mark. Forcing her to pay for her recount.
Millions in union dues? 1.2 million raised within the last few weeks not from union dues. I guess its easy to snear at the Democratic campaign when the Koch brother and other national players have been throwing millions for the last few years.
Just thought I should add the obvious pieces information gleaned from reading the news.
Black saint| 4.9.11 @ 8:21AM
Read the facts outlined below, it is our history and may be our future. The Ten poorest cities and percentage of population below the poverty level:
1. Detroit , MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo , NY 29.9% 3. Cincinnati , OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland , OH 27.0% 5. Miami , FL 26.9% 6. St. Louis , MO 26.8% 7. Chicago, Ill. 26.4% 8. Milwaukee , WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia , PA 25.1% 10. Newark , NJ 24.2% U.S. Census Bureau, 2010
What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? THE DEMOCRAT PARTY, and HEAVY UNIONISM!
Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961.
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1954.
Cincinnati , OH (3rd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1984.
Cleveland , OH (4th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1989.
Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.
St. Louis , MO (6th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1949.
Chicago, Ill (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.
Milwaukee , WI (8th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1908.
Philadelphia , PA (9th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1952.
Newark , NJ (10th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1907.
Reason: The people in these cities elect Democrats and belong to unions because of their socialistic agendas and it is clear it is not working. Their failure is a burden on us all.
Barack Obama is no different, he backs the failed policies of the pass and the very things that led to the demise of the Blue states and these cities.
The definition of insanity is going the same thing over and over and expecting a different result!
So is Obama and liberals insane or wanting failure and to reduce this Nation to Third World Status controlled by the Socialist/Democrat party of Northern Mexico?
WE CAN NOT SUSTAIN WHAT WE HAVE BECOME. WE, LARGELY, ARE JUST LIKE THESE CITIES AND WE ARE ON A PATH OF FAILURE. IT IS TIME FOR INTELLIGENCE TO PREVAIL NO MATTER WHO PROTESTS.
In the history of our federal government: * 5 Representatives have been expelled. All 5 were Democrats. * 14 Senators have been expelled. All 14 were Democrats. * 21 Representatives censured. 16 Democrats, 5 Republicans. * 7 Senators have been censured. 4 were Democrats, 3 were Republican. * 2 Presidents have been impeached. Both were Democrats.
Black saint| 4.9.11 @ 8:35AM
I think it is Corruption of the worst kind to have politicians reward Union thugs with Tax payers Money in return for Money and votes returned to the corrupt Politicians and political party by the Union Thugs. They are buying the Thugs and Mob Votes and Support with Hard working American Citizens money that make less and have worse benefits then the Union parasites that are sucking every least drop of money & blood they can from the American Public!
Chris Pedersen| 4.9.11 @ 9:02AM
" Too bad it's really the rank and file being soaked." Yeah, to Stupid to Understand, To Dumb to care. Now let us see how many Opt-Out of the "Check-Off" of Dues money automatically being taken from their Taxpayer Government Paychecks, and go to the "Right To Work" method of No Forced Unionism, where the Union still has to comply to with the" Duty Of Fair Representation"
Furthermore, the Maxist, Statist, Activist, Socalist Hack Judge who issued the TRO should be removed from the bench and disbarred from the practice of law,forever, because of her intentional, willful, wanton, Fraudulent Concealment of her Son's "Ties" to the Union's involved, thus, "EXTREME" "Conficts Of Interest" while intentionally failing to Disclose "On The Record" those material facts, as to her Son's monatary financial interest from the union[s], thus, at the same time concealing, her bias, prejudical and most likely "Predetermined" standing in the issuance of the TRO in the first place. Its call "Ethics" and to avoid the "Appearance Of Impropriatety" bring "Reproach Upon The Judicary"
Intentional Concealment of a known material fact=Intentional FRAUD where the record is "Devoid" of Full Disclosure and "Recusation" "that the particularjudge is disqualified by reason of interest[protection of her Son's "Monatary Compenstation" from the union[s] involved ]or "prejudice"[political favoritism] "The challenge Of Jurors"
No differant than disqualifing a person from a jury for any reason of prejudice. The agency responsible for oversite of the 'Code of Professional Conduct and/or the Judicial Inquiry Board is mandated to bring a complaint where it is obvious she concealed, what is now out in the public domaine due to investigative reporting by the media and/or other sources.
Failure to disclose, impacts and Violates the "Rules of Civil Procedures" as to an Appealable issue and/or a "Writ of Mandamus"
Chris Pedersen| 4.9.11 @ 10:08AM
If the Republicans/Consevatives fail in this matter, in bringing formal charges by formal complaint, they better never cry about "Judical Activism" again. The impact of her intentional concealment of these known material facts caused further monies to be spent, that otherwise might have been avoided. It certinly appears that she was the Union's "Fix" impacting the taxpaying voters of Walker et al and all those concerned in fiscal responsibility of their State, It's time for the Concervatives to make an example of her and have her removed from the "Bench" and the Practice Of Law for good. The Union[s] will no doubt give her a job! It is my belief and contention that any one or more taxpayer[s] has standing to file against her and/or the Attorney General has a"Duty" to bring charges as a Mandate to weed out corruption and report same to the authoities. ARDC of Illinois vs Himmel. If they let it go, fall by the wayside, the libs will exploite it. There goes the "Rule Of Law" meme as well. Besides it will teach the union[s] and the libs a severe needed lesson in more ways than can be counted. Also they deserve it for their dispicable display of hatred, violence and vulgar speach in the Capital. all occuring in front of the World to witness, as does the obvious Fraudulent ACTIVIST HACK ON THE BENCH.
Make her the Fall Gal because it is after all, the RIGHT thing to do, by clipping the WINGS of progressives in their Crash & Burn Landing, that being the Wisconsin "Butter"- Cream Frosting on the Cake of Victory and Civility.
In other words. IN YOUR FACES TRUMPKA & HOFFA!!!!! Now Sit Down & SHUT UP! TWO PUNKS IN A POD!
I guess this a WTF moment of a life time for you two back end of the Mules you rode in on with the Fleebagers/Cowards who appear to be Crawling just under the tail if you lift it up a peak at what's puckered up! And I don't mean "Winning The Future either. Fooooooooooooooools!
DLB| 4.9.11 @ 10:14AM
"Kloppenburg" would be a good name for the sister of Clever Hans. I'm still waiting for the "Downfall" video, where Hitler gets the news that she lost.
Bydand76| 4.9.11 @ 11:06AM
As some of you know, I live in in Wisconsin.
After going to the polls and seeing people whom I knew had not moved to my little town recently claiming they had moved to Wisconsin in the past 10 days and were now voting, I was almost positive that the Union backed Democrats were going to pull out a victory that otherwise would not have happened.
So it was with a heavy heart that we heard the slim margin by which mummy face Kloppenberg had gone up in the voting results. I figured that the Democrats had pulled another Franken which our brethren to the west had endured.
Not so! Waukesha County brought the Wisconsin Republican Conservatives some real hope and change!
Out of spite I tracked down some of the idiots who are trying to get anyone to sign their recall petitions against our Senator Sheila Harsdorf.
I simply pointed and laughed at them. The recall is never going to happen for either side Democrat or Republican but who am I to stop an exercise in futility?
Now all I have to do is find the despicable Union rep at our local HS here who decided to tell the members of the teachers union to call in sick and ask him how he likes what democracy is looking like now?
I am going to savor that moment.
Just so all of you know. The Waukesha Democrat election board has backed up the totals in the voting results and has certified that everything is legal.
This isn't MN where missing ballots show up in a car trunk and voting totals do not match up with the amount of people who voted.
RCV and Vtwit, you can go cry in your milk because everything is going wrong for the whining sniveling cowardly repulsive Democrats! And that is straight from the mouth of the prophet Murphy!
Cede Nullis!
Pro Libertate!
Noli Me Tangere!
On a personal note..........What tigwit buffoon decided to do away with the reply tab? Seriously? You need to find a different career path because your web management sucks !
BRING THE REPLY TAB BACK NOW!!!
Mt Top Patriot| 4.9.11 @ 11:31AM
"Too bad it's really the rank and file being soaked."
That ending comment at the end deserves a righteous remark. Those union members are complicit in every sense. They are adults. They went along with it, put up their money, played the game and gamed the system. They are themselves the root cause of their own problems with absolutely no one to blame but themselves. I hope they receive every ounce the justice they have earned and deserve for robbing and selling out the rest of America. Be a long time before these free loaders realize, if ever, the magnitude of their selfishness and greed. Their incredible stupidity, because that is what it is, of selling your soul to the devil for a few baubles. Yes Sir, what a travesty and debacle, it is biblical in proportion. In my mind, these union fools are the worst of the worst kind of people in America. Leeches and bloodsuckers living off the labor and treasure of others while proclaiming themselves something special like gods gift to the world. Bunch of lousy good for nothing worthless bums is all they are, plain and simple.
Anthony| 4.9.11 @ 11:46AM
Morning folks, you too vtwin. Unfortunately our intrepid leaders in Washington gleened nothing from the Wisconsin vote. Yes vtwin, an honest vote, just ask the one honest D left in wisconsin.
Boehner's $38 B budget "concession" is a joke. He caved like a cheap card table, but as we and Bachmann have been saying, Boehner lost this battle before he even started. This guy couldn't negotiate candy from a 5 year old.
Since this "deal" is only for 5 months, it really is no big deal. The problem is Boehner is not up to the big task coming, the $14 T debt ceiling and Ryan's $55T budget cuts over 10 years.
We need to buck these guys up and if that doesn't work,a kick in the ass is necessary.
These Washington morons don't get how serious this is.
Jeff Perren | 4.9.11 @ 1:02PM
To join the chorus... In Japanese-held islands during WWII if Marines took the island they were (mostly) careful not to assume a fallen enemy soldier was dead until he had rotted for a couple of days.
Never turn your back and assume victory until the enemy is buried. And even then, beware of zombies.
mhuitt| 4.9.11 @ 1:18PM
@Gordan: Of course, not a word about foreign-born billionare George Soros and his organizations that have been pumping millions and millions into Wisconsin.....
ENOUGH ROPE| 4.9.11 @ 1:53PM
When will 70% to 80% of Americans discover that most Democrats are fascists, socialists, or Marxsts? "Actions speak louder than words."
Jack| 4.9.11 @ 2:18PM
I was a Democrat until last December and my wife still is along with my children. They don't vote Democrat and since the communists have taken over the party I doubt they ever will again. I hope the socialists can be kicked out and we can have a two party system. I have never seen a political system that is so clearly divided between good and evil.
Spanky| 4.9.11 @ 4:16PM
Wisconsin: the state where nothing is ever settled
skip| 4.9.11 @ 4:20PM
It's 11:46 am - do you know where your poster extraordinaire is?
"Morning folks, you too vtwin."
Holy Side-Splitters Anthony. You are obviously Batman.
Sandra| 4.9.11 @ 4:31PM
When she was 204 votes over they were quick to declare victory....NOW that Prosser is almost 10,000 votes over they insist on a recount.
No surprise...given she is one ugly liberal feminist.
jahpdq@aol.com| 4.9.11 @ 5:28PM
Beyond dispicible. These folks want more and more of your money. They're willing to use whatever tactics it take to deprive Prosser of a job. We'll see.
jahpdq@aol.com| 4.9.11 @ 5:32PM
OK, Demos. How about Repubs holding back real results on one precinct in every election? Then you and your lying pals couldn't play the game of "how many votes do we need." then go out and get them?
We're tired of your games, we know how to play them, and we know how to keep you from getting the number of "votes" you need to win an election; so GFYS!
Bill| 4.9.11 @ 6:11PM
Kloppenburg definitely looked like a blow hard claiming "victory" in such a bombastic fashion with such a thin margin. No class at all. Is she now offering her concession with the insurmountable deficit. Of course not. She's going to impose a million or so dollars in expense for a recount. But a few hundred more votes and the Democrats will have to pay for it by squandering more union dues.
Marc Jeric| 4.9.11 @ 6:18PM
Given time, every union will fall into the hands of either the Mafia or the communists (read history of unions). Then they will destroy the industry in which they "work". In order to save itself a private industry will try to outsource - go abroad or to another state - if it can. Government employees unions are by definition criminal conspiracies against the people and should be routinely prosecuted nder RICO laws.
BoatGuy| 4.9.11 @ 7:41PM
Mr. Kaminsky begins with a factual error, and then proceeds to build on it. That's worse than a "straw man" argument.
The county clerk correctly reported all the vote totals to the state. There were neither revisions, additions, nor deletions to the official vote totals. That is her sworn duty and she did it.
She did err in information provided to the Associated Press. When made aware, she merely corrected the UNOFFICIAL AP numbers.
And as all projecting Lefties do, AP immediately started the meme that she had "found new votes."
Balderdash. The official vote totals are 100%.
Whether to tweak the AP, or a simple omission, I say, "Hoo-RAY!!!" AP has been misinforming people for decades but when it happens to them, they whine worse than Al Gore when he discovered global warming is a fake...
Cincinnatius| 4.9.11 @ 8:18PM
To quote Plato: Either become involved in politics or be ruled by your inferiors. (i.e., DEMOCRATS!)
Occam's Tool| 4.10.11 @ 12:25AM
Chicago had a Republican Mayor in the 1920s, Big Bill Thompson. A friend of Capone, he ran on the popular platform to punch the King of England in the nose.
Sorry, I'm a shrink. I love bizarre characters.
Gordon W.| 4.10.11 @ 8:21AM
Black Saint, listing a bunch of cities does not prove your point. I could use those cities to bolster another point as well (except Miami, it a bit of a outlier). That they are all victims of white flight (all the money for infrastructure left), the city policies were segregationist, their school systems are not very good and the industries which populated those areas are no longer relevant to the US. Additionally they are all large cities in the North with Universities.
You forgot one statistic, politicians that step down voluntarily. The only president to step down for corruption...
allblues| 4.10.11 @ 8:29AM
Klop on, Klop off.
John Navratil| 4.10.11 @ 10:16AM
Gordon W.,
The point you make is that coincidence is not correlation and you suggest other reasons for the causality in Black Saint's list. That's fine as far as it goes, but to destroy his argument you really need to find a counter-example. Is there a strong Democrat and unionized city which doesn't show above normal poverty rates or are there Republican strongholds in right-to-work areas which do? One would still need to compensate for differences in the average poverty rates in urban, sub-urban and rural areas, if any.
I'm not saying there aren't examples, but none come to mind. It may be helpful to note that poverty is still most prevalent in Appalachia, the rural deep south, the "valley" of Texas, New Mexico and central California. It correlates very nicely with the red/blue voting maps with the notable exception of the northeast which is blue, but has a fairly low overall poverty rate.
I also suggest that your reasons may have their causation in the very same policies. White flight occurs because the cost of doing business and living go up (New Orleans which began electing heavily democrat mayors in the 60's is a prime example). Segregation was a hallmark of the Democrats. Inner-city schools suffer from both white-flight and segregation as well as teachers unions. Picking on New Orleans, again, the oil companies all moved from their to Houston in the 60's and 70's and it wasn't for the weather. Both Houston and New Orleans have good universities.
Sadly, I find these same tendencies in my adopted home town of Houston. While Texas is a right-to-work state, the largest union in Harris county (Houston) is the teachers union and Democrats have, for the last twenty years or so, begun to dominate city politics with the attendant explosion of the city budget. We now have a city government which, despite huge tax increases over the years, is broke. It also has a poverty rate about 3 percent above the state average.
Michael L. Hauschild| 4.10.11 @ 10:16AM
Ross,Please explain "writ of mandamus or mandamus" to me. Is this a viable legal procedure in the Wisconsin Judges stay on the Union legislation?
Steve| 4.10.11 @ 10:17AM
Let the unions and the democrats spend tens of millions of dollars fighting states trying to get their finances in order. it's just that much less they will have for 2012. Considering Wisconsin public employees pay 700 dollars a year in dues (1000 for teachers) and the fact there is no longer any dues checkoff, the unions could be facing a loss of revenue of up to 225 million a year. After all, if there is no collective bargaining, why would you pay a union?
Steve| 4.10.11 @ 10:25AM
Michael, The ruling by the liberal judge in the Wisconsin union case is illegal. There are at least 2 examples of SCOTUS rulings that set precedent which this judge ignores including one in 1948. But to make it simple, look at the court cases over Obama's birth certificate. No judge has ruled he has a valid BC. They have only ruled (A) That no one had been "hurt' yet or (B) that the case wasn't ripe yet. This so called judge ignored that and put her personal beliefs above the law. I suggest she be recalled.
A mandamus is Latin and means "I command" This is often used when a judge wants a lower court or a public institution to follow the law. It is not applicable for this judge to issue a mandamus because that can only be done to force someone to follow the law and to halt the violation of constitutional rights. However, the Wisconsin Supreme Court would be well within their rights to issue a mandamus on this so called judge.
Michael L. Hauschild| 4.10.11 @ 10:34AM
Thank you, Steve.
Anthony| 4.10.11 @ 11:00AM
Michael, A writ of mandamus is a legal remedy calling for the court, as in the Wisconsin case, to overcome an election result.
A mandamus, as black letter law in all 50 states have opined, is a drastic remedy which is only to be ordered by the courts in cases of overwhelming evidence of election malfeasence.
The burden upon the moving party seeking to over come the results of an election is a very high burden to acheive.
Absent evidence of real fraud, which does not appear to be the case here, as the totals were properly calculated, but an informal count given to the AP by this particular offical, did not contain these numbers, appears to be the center of controversy.
Under normal circumstances, without political pressure, Kloppenburg has no case.
dw| 4.10.11 @ 3:59PM
The union thug leadership spent 67 million electing the commie in the white house, wasted 10 million trying to oust blanche lincoln, and many more millions trying to oust prosser and many more millions in other election spending just in the past decade. Seems like that money could have been used to directly benefit the rank and file to augment their health insurance or retirement or ?....when will they wake up to understand they are being used by the political elites and their own leadership much the same way a certain communist president uses lies to firther his destruction of a once great country.
bill| 4.10.11 @ 6:17PM
great work wisconsin! the state that brought us progressives looks to have seen the light of destructive progressive policy! i grew up in milwaukee. i am proud of my childhood state!
this election is all about state public unions maintaining their outrageous benefits and salaries. so union thugs, stop acting like pansies. if you feel you deserve all these benefits and a high salary, demand it directly from the tax payers. next time you are in a resturant in milwaukee, demand that the waitress write you a check for 100 bucks. this week knock on the doors of all of your neighbors and demand they make a monthly payment to you of 100-200 bucks. when you go to jiffy lube, demand the guy who changes your oil pays you a monthly sum of 100 bucks.
sound weird to you union goons? where in the h≪ do you think wisconsin gets the money to pay your salaries and benefits? the wisconsin tax pay funds your lifestyle. YOUR NEIGHBORS FUND YOUR LIFESTYLE.
even fdr and the first ceo of the afl-cio understood that public sector unions - not private sector unions - were a poison to union reputations and would, in the end, destroy american support for unions.
private sector unions collectively bargain for a share of a company's profits; a public sector union collectively bargains for a share of wisconsin workers (tax payers) paycheck.
there are a whole lot more non-union tax payers in wisconsin than there are union workers. the public sector union's time has come and is now over.
Dee See| 4.10.11 @ 11:09PM
FALSE PARADIGM ALERT
AS the government overnight raises radiation
'tolerance levels' by 28000%
AS the Globalist media continues to cover up
the fallout from Fukishima, sideshows in Wisconsin can't distract us from the call to
move
HUAC meets NUREMBERG
IMPEACHMENT of our last 4 Globalist front
administrations and nullifications of ALLLL
their illegal agreements (GATT, NAFTA etc.)
OPEN INQUEST into our in house legacy of calculated, deliberate and profound economic TREASON viz a viz the RED China
DEFAULT on the bankster gambling debts
and on debt to our US taxpayer creation across
the Pacific ---the awesomely 'eugenics friendly' RED Chinese
OPEN, AUDIT and DISMANTLE the FED,
the tax-free EUGENICS driven capstone
foundations and ALLLLL their proxies
WARM PROSECUTION for conspiracy against
the republic, the constitution, our sovereignty
and, as ever, EUGENICS crimes against humanity here and worldwide
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY
Osamas Pajamas| 4.11.11 @ 2:12AM
I'm so frkn tired of all these bloodsxcking, tax-eating statist Democrats, arrest every one of them and fling them out of planes over Mecca without parachutes, then nuke the frkn city.
Jayson| 4.12.11 @ 4:10PM
A loud echo chamber of people who all agree with each other demonizing and dehumanizing a group of people that disagree with you. You are the the thug mob, not the unions which is what 7% of the entire population? The people that teach your kids, deliver your mail, come to put out your fires, you know... the ELITES?
Dempsey| 4.12.11 @ 6:27PM
Thank you, Jayson. You said it very well. Most of the previous commentators do comprise a THUG MOB, and a narrow minded, one track, mysogisnistic group they are. I laughed at that Ann Coulter quote someone posted earlier because it describes the Repubilican outlook to a tee - not the (spoiler alert for what you nitwits consider a *dirty word*) Liberal Democrats. We L D's want the rich to pay their fair share and to tax the corporations WHO PAY NOTHING instead of destroying the middle class as the Koch Rethugs are intent on doing! Call me a proud Teamster!
henry degrandt| 4.12.11 @ 7:11PM
i'm glad your so familar with ann coulter the ditz., you too fit
Dempsey| 4.13.11 @ 6:13AM
Are you kidding Henry? I think Ann Coulter is barely human. Actually - she isn't! She's all mouth and no heart or brain. A very apt spokesperson for the Rethugs and TP's.
chaussures mbt panda femme | 6.3.11 @ 11:19PM
nice job!
Christian Louboutin | 6.23.11 @ 5:42AM
Those new votes, combined with "typing errors" in two other parts of the County appear to add a net 7,582 to Prosser over Kloppenburg, giving the incumbent non-leftist justice a lead of about 7,378 votes before other vote total adjustments from around the state.
Creative Recreation | 8.10.11 @ 10:33PM
is good