In Itamar, a bloody act of random cruelty, during the happiest
season of the Jewish calendar.
This column about the murdered
Fogel family was written a few times on other surfaces before I
put it to paper. First I etched it into my heart with a scalpel,
then I inscribed it on the sacred parchment of Jewish history with
a quill; finally, I spray painted it onto the bulletin board of the
human race in a jagged graffito. After all this, I thought that
maybe, just maybe, I could be lucid enough to share it with my
friends through the printed page.
There are two small communities in Israel, Elazar and
Itamar, named after the two surviving sons of Aaron. Their two
brothers died shockingly to disturb a happy period for the
Israelites, not long after the Exodus. The tradition teaches that
there was a divine decree for all the children of Aaron to die, but
Moses prayed and succeeded in saving half of them. Now, 3300 years
later, the tableau is repeated in the town of Itamar.
Six children live at home in the same family, brutal
killers invaded their home, yet half the children survived. One kid
was sleeping on a couch instead of a bed, the two-year-old was
curled in a small ball on his bed, and probably escaped notice. The
12-year-old sister stayed out late in a Sabbath youth group;
parents in Israel are astoundingly tolerant of these wholesome
gatherings and suspend their usual curfews.
So a heartless, soulless, gutless murder of a sleeping
family only got the parents and half the children, including a
three-month-old baby. That is the good news. All the rest is
hellish tragedy, atrocity, inhumanity. Hamas announced that
although they did not send the killer, they applauded his
handiwork. Those peace-loving Palestinians strike again!
THIS IS THE HAPPIEST SEASON of the Jewish calendar. The
holiday of Purim, celebrating the heroism of Queen Esther saving
her people from the Persians 2300 years ago, will be observed next
week. It is a day of goofy costumes and comedy, eating and
drinking, a giddy time of hope. School plays are being performed in
advance of the holiday, so little glittery crown-wearing boys and
girls are skipping up the steps of school buses all over
Israel.
Against this backdrop comes a bloody act of random
cruelty. Climbing into a peaceful suburban home to slash the
throats of its sleeping inhabitants; now there's a political
statement. What does that tell the world about the culture of the
people who can perpetrate such acts -- not as isolated instances of
twisted menace but as publicly celebrated expressions of a national
spirit?
Yes, you heard that right. Gaza residents hit the streets
to express
their jubilance, handing out candy and sweets in honor of the
occasion. We have our murderers, too, but we chase them into their
dark dens and confine them in cages.
Can someone reasonably argue that a peace treaty
negotiated by some people in suits is going to pacify a culture
that throws a party to honor the murder of a three-month-old
child?
Well, perhaps I have not becalmed myself into lucidity
after all. I am enraged, offended, provoked into a state of war. I
reject the notion of statehood for the bloodthirsty, legitimacy for
the ruthless. Ruthless is an appropriate word here; the woman they
killed with three of her offspring was Ruth Fogel. Fogel is a bird,
so Ruth Fogel means Bird-of-Peace. It does not take a genius to get
the message of slashing the bird of peace.
You and I love the image of the bird soaring high and
free; we love peace so much we are willing to overlook all sorts of
slights and affronts and irritations and provocations. We want so
much to impute good will and good faith to all of mankind, to men
and woman of every race and religion. But we cannot close our eyes
to evil, to raw predatory evil, to naked evil wielding its scythe
of destruction against all that is gentle and kindly and
innocent.
I want so much to join my children and grandchildren in
their Purim playlets, to get into the mood of the time. One more
time the brutes have stolen the light right out of my eyes. Thank
God they could not get it all; prayer has saved half of our
goodness from the blade. Let us treasure what remains.
About the Author
Jay D. Homnick, commentator and humorist, is a frequent contributor to The American Spectator. He also writes for Human Events. Here he performs his original composition, "Buy You (Bayou) a Drink".
The religion of peace - killing babies in their sleep.
No stretch of logic can define this as anything but evil.
Tomas| 3.15.11 @ 3:26PM
I want to see the Muslim-American people publicly repudiate this
behavior. I want to see them write letters to newspapers, go on the
radio, on TV, on the internet.... tell us how horrible this is and
how you do not support it in any way.
Until you do this, I will never believe you abhor this
violence.
Speak up.
This is not a request.....
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sablegsd| 3.16.11 @ 1:04AM
The silence says it all.
Not that we didn't already know. There is no such thing as a
moderate muslim. They are the spawn of the devil and anyone that
supports them is doing satans work.
Oldgoat1940| 3.17.11 @ 11:11AM
As a theologian and historian, I am totally convinced that Allah
is really the Devil himself who impersonated Gabriel when he
appeared to Muhammed in the cave--after all, his followers do what
Jesus said about the thief coming only to kill, steal and destroy.
That's what true Muslim believers do best!
Herb| 3.15.11 @ 6:59AM
The delegitimation of Israel's right to exist, abetted by
so-called civilized societies, has taken on a new and abominable
form: Palestinians celebrating the murder of innocents (oh -
pardonnez-moi - only Muslims are innocent) no longer astonishes nor
horrifies nor brings down condemnation from the `civilized
societies'. But... if the world now hates Israel totally, let them
retaliate totally. Taking out several thousand candy-eaters in Gaza
might be a good start; they behave like moral savages and no longer
merit civilized treatment.
Teaghan| 3.15.11 @ 10:12AM
....abetted by obama and his henchmen.
The word "evil" doesn't cover this. Has the abetter in chief said
anything publicly about this or is he playing golf again. This
bastard is clueless.
ImaMommy| 3.15.11 @ 11:30AM
They danced in the streets in Paterson, NJ after 9/11, passing
out candy and burning the American Flag. Never made the news and
this was on American soil. Wake up U.S. of A... stop them or we're
next.
Appleby| 3.15.11 @ 7:07AM
The more they get away with, the more they will do.
Stop them.
mommy2two| 3.15.11 @ 11:25AM
Give an inch, they take a mile. It applies to every, single
thing in life; personal, professional and political. Stop them.
JP| 3.15.11 @ 7:34AM
This is the modus operandi of the Islamo-fascists. Terror is all
they know. And I'm sure our State Department sent a few very quiet
communications to Tel Aviv warning Isreal to not seek vengence. The
MSM remains quiet, and the President plays golf. And Isrealis
continue to suffer.
This much is true. The Mossad will conduct a very quiet
thourough investigation; it will compile a list of the names and
organizations of the people who committed this act, and the Mossad
will take them out.
And then it will start all over again.
FTM| 3.16.11 @ 12:09AM
I wouldn't worry about revenge too much. The Mossad makes people
have car wrecks and fall down the basement steps and slip in the
bath tub all the time. They'll be working overtime on this little
episode. This collection of savages has earned the full treatment
too.
Richard Baker| 3.15.11 @ 8:09AM
Religion of Peace? Really? Islam is a murder cult not unlike the
1830s Thuggees in India and the Koran is the guidebook to
depravity.
Pelligrino| 3.15.11 @ 8:14AM
While we are at the discussion of $350 million in the FY2011
budget for Planned Parenthood, would someone please illuminate the
dollar figure being sent by US taxpayers to Palestinians this
FY?
No more.
All my life I have read of these scenarios. Yes, they are but
stories in newsclippings for me. But they are real. And real lives
snuffed out by evildoers.
Time to end the farce of supporting Palestinians. Time to shout
them down and call them evil, undeserving of the many blessings
repeatedly bestowed upon them.
Sara Burke| 3.15.11 @ 8:29AM
Jay...thanks for this beautiful essay on a sweet family that I
can't get out of my mind since last week's Sabbath. I was visiting
Israel two years ago during Purim and have many pictures of the
festively costumed children, parents and even dogs. Many were
carrying baskets of goodies to friends and neighbors. It breaks my
heart to see innocence shattered in cold blood. Yet as you point
out we see a glimpse of God peek through the brutality as a remnant
remains. The escalation of evil gives me hope that Light will shine
even brighter.
TennesseeVolunteer| 3.15.11 @ 8:36AM
I made myself look at the pictures of the murdered family in
order to cement in my soul the true evil of a supposed religion
that wishes harm on good people of all other faiths, particularly
the Israelis.
We will never forsake Israel.
Sara Burke| 3.15.11 @ 8:54AM
Everyone should look at those pictures. It will change you
forever.
cuban pete| 3.15.11 @ 9:09AM
Israel and the Jewish people are always on my prayer list.
I will pray especially for the Fogel family during this Lenten
season.
Occam's Tool| 3.15.11 @ 10:01AM
Thank you so much, Pete. What a kind and sweet thought.
RCV| 3.15.11 @ 2:35PM
Amen.
Sandra| 3.15.11 @ 9:26AM
Are we REALLY sure that we all worship the same G-d of the Book?
Really?
It really does seem (to me) that the G-d of Abraham, Jacob, and
Issac; the G-d of John the Baptist, and Jesus, may not be one and
the same with theirs
Pelligrino| 3.15.11 @ 9:47AM
Sandra, I am sure that you are just pondering aloud (in written
words), but there is just one God Almighty.
Whatever Islam claims and Muslims say, it is not a religion, a
faith. Islam = evil. It is Satan's handiwork every day. They belong
to him.
There is nothing that stands equal to the God of the Bible. Just
look again at what God gives Moses (gives all of us) in the Ten
Commandments.
John Navratil| 3.15.11 @ 11:03AM
Pelligrino,
I agree with you. Perhaps Sandra's question should have been "Do
Muslims worship God or something else?" We know what they claim,
but was it really Gabriel who had Mohammed's ear?
Bill Croke| 3.15.11 @ 9:35AM
Great one, Jay.
Brian Mc| 3.15.11 @ 9:46AM
I stand by my post of yesterday. A database listing of mosques
with the top positions held by the most militant. A bombing here, a
stabbing there-a mosque is vaporized from the face of the
earth...oops, sorry!
VBMax| 3.15.11 @ 10:42AM
I haven't felt this sad about an event and its aftermath in
quite a long time. I'm not suprised at the viciousness and cruelty
of the Palestinians. A while back one of them intentionally blew
himself up standing next to a baby carriage. And they celebrated
that event as well.
What truly saddens me is the response of what passes for western
"civilization" in the 21st century. It continues on its path to
oblivion undeterred by the evil that is pushing it there. And it
will arrive if not enough of us do something effective to stop it.
I'm talking about our lives, our families and friends, our country
and our civilization. I'm afraid that commenting on blogs and
voting will not be enough although unloading the current government
would be a good start.
These murders are a microcosm of what threatens all of us if we
don't stop this evil in its tracks. I'm the son of a holocaust
survivor (Auschwitz) so I got the lesson straight from the horse's
mouth. And I'm preparing myself for this battle, whatever it
takes.
glenny| 3.15.11 @ 10:53AM
I sometimes imagine what it would be like to lend-lease to
Israel, a 4 pack of B-52s, fully loaded bomb racks, topped off fuel
loads (1st load is included), etc etc etc. Say, $1/day/B-52.
Destination = Gaza, maybe Damascus. Yeeeaaahhh ! glenny
Occam's Tool| 3.15.11 @ 1:27PM
Actually, just have their backs. That's all that is
required.
David W| 3.15.11 @ 11:32AM
I posted a quick rememberance to my facebook page (as well as a
longer note concerning the cult of death that the Palestinians
under Islam have become). If I were in Congress I would introduce a
bill that would cut off all humanitarian aid to the PLA and the
Palestinian people. After all, humanitarian aid should go to
humans. And the Palestinians are not human. Sure, there may be some
who were shocked and saddened, but they are few and far between.
The rest have been bred to hate and to destroy and to kill - what
little civilization they have will be gone soon.
The Palestinians use "occupation" as their excuse to target
Jews/Israelis. Cannot Israel use "murder" and "self-defense" as
their excuse to remove the thorn in their side?
Claudia Monteverdi| 3.15.11 @ 11:44AM
Dear Jay,
Your worrds should be writ intaglio on a block of cold granite and
placed ontothe peazzas of the great cities of our civilistion.
utterly magnificent expression of fact and feeling, which, I
trust,we all share.
Pity the New York Times Front Page siezed upon it for another one
of their infamous "we hate Israel, we love our arabs"
fabrications.."illegal settlers attacked, casualties
reported"--Hillary? "both sides should show restraint" O'bama?
who's he? Oh yeah, another round of golf, a niice weekend in the
country and "my prayers for the people of Japan and the loved ones
of those attacked" (in occupied trans-Jordan?)..
Thanks Jay,
Claudia
Conservative Bob| 3.15.11 @ 12:24PM
What kind of person can with their bare hands do this to an 3
month old baby, let alone the other children.
To give another dime to a people who would celebrate such
monstrosity is to stain us with the blood of these innocents.
Over and again we are told that this is just a small extremist
faction of the ‘religion of peace’ I will believe that these
horrendous acts are not emblematic of the entire religion when I
read that outraged Muslims stoned to death the both the
killer/killers and those that celebrated this unspeakable act
because of the shame it brings to Islam.
John| 3.15.11 @ 12:32PM
Zionism is based on a racist ideology . They have murdered and
ethnically Palestinian each day for the sixty plus years . The
crimes of the Zionist settlers has no end. This criminality extends
to all there supports. I condem the murder of the innocent. But it
should not blind us to the crimes of zionists. the days for the
apartheid entity are numbered. If they had any sense they should
make peace with the palestianians and reabsorb six million plus
Palestinian refugees. They can do it willingly to day . For
tomorrow they may not get a chance. May God bless the palestians.
There is no greater people on the earth. The crimes of the zionists
is this crime times 10 million plus.
Conservative Bob| 3.15.11 @ 1:01PM
Condemnation with a 'but' is all we ever hear from apologists
for the murderous Palestinians.
“No greater people on earth…“, that celebrate the slaughter of
innocent children and babies?
No one, no people anywhere that celebrate the death and
slaughter of innocents deserves the any consideration from the
civilized world.
They deserve our scorn and condemnation, and the complete
withdrawal of all material support. Let them eat sand!
John Navratil| 3.15.11 @ 1:04PM
Conservative Bob,
Standby for more evasions, dogma, non sequitors and other B.S
from the gift of God. Please do not feed the troll.
this is in response to the murder of a 3 month old. Only you
could congratulate their killers. You are a piece of dog excrement,
a filthy supporter of child rape and murder, a moral maggot. No
further comments from you regarding this child are required, you
excrement eating maggot.
John Navratil| 3.15.11 @ 1:59PM
Occam's Tool,
"Never try and teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and
annoys the pig."
-- Robert Heinlein
This pig is best ignored.
Dave Williams| 3.15.11 @ 2:00PM
You, sir, are a completely disgusting walking moral obscenity,
and the sooner you emulate your evident heroes by blowing yourself
up, the better the world would be.
RCV| 3.15.11 @ 2:57PM
John: You need to learn some history as well as some humanity.
Zionism is simply based on the yearning of the Jewish people to
live in peace in their historic home. This could have been
possible, as King Abdullah of Jordan and others recognized. Let's
review the historical record for just one moment: Jews had lived in
the Holy Land for millenia. By 1875, they were a majority of
Jerusalem's population and had sizeable population centers
elsewhere in Palestine. After the break-up of the Ottoman Empire
and the aftermath of World War I, Britain was given trusteeship
over the territory of Palestine by the League of Nations for the
express purpose of "creating a national homeland for the Jewish
people" there. This could have been done in consonance with respect
for the existing rights of both the Arabs who lived in the area AND
the tens of thousands of Arabs who flooded into the region to take
advantage of the growing economic activity resulting from Jewish
immigration. The British even took 2/3 of the Palestine Mandate
given them, and set up a Palestinian Arab state they called
"TransJordan", placing the sone of the former Sharif of Mecca on
its throne. Then the British abandoned their commitment to set up a
Jewish homeland in the remaining one-third. The United Nations
carefully proposed carving what remained of the little left of
Palestine into yet another Palestinian Arab state and a much
smaller Jewish state. But the Arabs rejected this proposal,
attacked the new Jewish state, and when the dust settled after the
Arab defeat, two Arab countries -- Egypt and Jordan -- seized what
should have been the new Arab Palestine and annexed it to their
countries. What did the Palestinian Arabs do then? The Palestinian
National Assembly voted overwhelmingly to be incorporated into
Jordan, which they correctly proclaimed to be Arab Palestine. That
state destroyed the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem, banned Jews from
their holy sites, and desecrated the synagogues and Jewish holy
sites in their control. When the Jews recaptured the Old City after
the 1967 war, what did they do? They immediately returned control
over Al Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock to the Islamic Waqf.
It's not a pretty history from the Islamic side. Incorporation
of the Arabs into Israel proper would mean the death of the Jewish
state, not to mention the physical annihilation of hundreds of
thousands of Jewish families just like the Fogels. That is just not
going to happen. Never. The Palestinian Arabs may be a great
people, but they have been ill-served by their leaders and the
leaders of their fellow Arab states. They have, as Churchill
famously said, "never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity"
for peace and reconcilliation.
W| 3.15.11 @ 4:05PM
We are wasting time attempting to reason with johnny. He
pretends to be a foreign muslim with his bad english and grammar.
He is here only to provoke,insult, and stir hate, much like his
friends murdering babies. johny and his friends do not have the
courage to fight because they get beat every time they attack
Israel. So they attack babies and a civilian in a wheelchair on a
cruise ship. Johny doesn't even have the courage to write without
pretending to be a muslim.
one question johnny, why is it that all the arab muslim countries
refuse to allow the palestinians in their countries, for example,
Jordan kicked them out of Jordan years ago. You don't really care
for the palestinians, you like them only as a symbol to attack
Israel.
Doctor Right| 3.15.11 @ 4:43PM
"I condemn the murder of the innocent. But..."
We all knew there was a "but" coming, didn't we?
Genesis 16:12: "He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will
be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will
live in hostility toward all his brothers."
That's God describing the sons of Ishmael.
Sounds like the Palestinians to me.
Tim the Enchanter| 3.15.11 @ 5:38PM
Sounds like ALL Arab nations!
Lawrence Cannon| 3.15.11 @ 11:38PM
"Palestine" was created by the Romans after they ethnically
cleansed the Holy Land of Jews after the revolt of Bar Kochba in
135 A.D. "Palestine" was the latin version of the term
"Philistines", in order to humiliate the Hebrew people. Until the
early 20th Century, the land now called Israel was a sparsely
populated craphole, a backwater of the Ottoman Empire. When the
Jewish people started coming back, they performed miracles on the
land.
No, the "Palestinians" aren't a people. They're Egyptians or
Jordanians who rooted for the wrong armies during the Israeli war
of Independence of 1948.
Jeremiah| 3.16.11 @ 6:00PM
John, I used to believe Islam to be one of the three great
monotheistic religions. I now understand it for the satanic death
cult it is. If I were in charge, I would recognize Hamas, the
Muslim Brotherhood, and the Palestinians for the rabid dogs they
are - and encourage Israel to rid the world of rabid dogs.
Fortunately, your brutality has not made me quite as savage as you.
I would spare the children.
Doctor Right| 3.15.11 @ 12:40PM
I wish we had a President who would boldly say to the
Israelis:
"Do whatever you need to do to secure your borders. You have the
full, open support of my administration."
Within a week, the Arab/Muslim governments would be begging for
peace.
Occam's Tool| 3.15.11 @ 1:29PM
I wish you were President, Doctor.
Sara Burke| 3.15.11 @ 2:17PM
He won't even allow us to secure our own borders.
Tim the Enchanter| 3.15.11 @ 12:54PM
Jay: IIRC that Purim ("Lots" or "chance") came into being when
the Israelites were living in Persia after the fall of the
Babylonian Empire. I also remember it was Haman (or however he
spelt his name), an Amelekite, who tricked the Persians into
attempting to destroy Israel. Considering that the present-day
Iranians are descendants of the Persians, isn't it nice that things
have changed so much since then (not)?
OLD RAY| 3.15.11 @ 1:00PM
A fine article. The Palestinians behave like monsters (not
animals. Animals behave far better,) So they behaved when they
tried to take over Jordan and were kicked out. So they behaved in
South Lebanon and were saved and transported to Tunisia ,then moved
into the "West Bank" of Israel by "Oslo". So they behaved when the
USA was attacked on 9-11.. Israel would be insane to allow a
Palestinian State in Judea and Samaria (Yes that is the historic
proper name ffor the area - check ANY encyclopedia published before
1967 in your library.) The anti-semitic US State department is
responsible for much of the trouble in "The Holy Land".
John| 3.15.11 @ 1:52PM
It's the palestionos who are murdered and killed in very large
numbers each day. Their crime is being Arab , Christian. Or Muslim
. This is the only truth that the zionist trolls on this website
don't want you to know. Instead they want to misdirect people with
their racism against arab and muslim people . they show crocodile
tears to hide their hate. The palestinions are an entire nation
imprisioned by zionists. this is an apartheid ideology whose days
are numbered. I support a single state for all Jews Muslims
Christions with equall rights . The comments here are not suprising
since many descend from slave owners in the recent past. Racism
comes easly from such people. The American people are learning the
truth . The palestinions are angles on the earth. God bless
them.
David V| 3.15.11 @ 4:32PM
Learn to spell you moron.
Doctor Right| 3.15.11 @ 4:45PM
Angles, eh?
Makes sense to me; Palestinian logic is obtuse, and they're an
acute pain-in-the-ass.
Richard Baker| 3.15.11 @ 2:06PM
John:
Palestinian=fiction. The present day bearers of that phony name are
Jordanian. They were thrown out when they tried to kill King
Hussein of Jordan, King Abdullah's Father, and he and the Jordanian
Army killed approximately 30K of them in so doing. Look up Black
September, bozo.
Sam Levi| 3.15.11 @ 2:32PM
John,
Your ignorance, stupidity, blatant racism, and revisionism know no
bounds. You throw out accusations with no proof. You allegedly
decry violence yet celebrate it with the other half of every
statement. Let me explain it so that even a totally intellectualy
deficient such as yourself can understand. There is no actual race
of Palestinian. Palestinians as they are called today are illegal
immigrants, fanatics, and terrorists. In short, they are criminals.
Israel belongs to the Jewish people, get over it. You and your kind
have been trying to steal it for over 60 years. The Jews took a
barren wasteland suitable only for an outdoor toilet and turned it
into a beautiful and productive country. The "palestinians" can't
stand that so want to steal and destroy what the cannot or will not
do for yourselves. You are just like the other pieces of dog
excrement that says anytime we don't like something an Islamist has
done we are racist. Guess what, we hear that same crap when we
decry your boy in our oval office. The only way to make peace with
Islam is to erradicate your disgusting religion.
John| 3.15.11 @ 2:52PM
Wow! The truth really rattles you. Good. Palestinians are
recognised by virtually all states including USA . Stick that in
your pipe and smoke it. if you want to support apartheid based on
fairy tales from two thousand years ago- good for you. Isreal still
has a chance to save itself by supporting the right of return of
palestinian refugees. many Jews in isreal have also come to this
conclusion. Your Muslim hatred will get you nowhere. your lies and
fairy tales will get you nowhere.
Dc| 3.15.11 @ 3:11PM
John (aka, pig-shit), dog's feet, or whatever other unpleasant
things civilized folk can rightfully call you sandsucking
worshippers of a 7th century brigand and child-molester:
Name one time that an Israeli soldier has knowingly murdered a
"Palestinian" (see above, I don't need to elaborate on that fraud)
toddler in his/her sleep?
Name one time that the Jewish people have bounced around in the
streets shrieking like hyenas, celebrating the murder of innocent
babies?
Name one time that I as an American, non-Jew, will ever look on
anyone of your "faith" again without utter contempt, secure in the
knowledge that you will either kill my children, or I'll kill
yours, and there's no middle ground anymore (if there ever
was--which I doubt).
Keep apologizing for the scum your "people" (vermin, actually)
consider their heroes for murdering children, see how far that gets
you outside of the treasonous sympathizers temporarily occupying
the White House.
Someday soon, real God-willing, an Israeli or U.S. leader is going
to get serious, turn entire regions of the world into a radioactive
sea of glass, and purge insects like you from both nations.
Doctor Right| 3.15.11 @ 5:32PM
Hey "John" (or Mustafa, or Maliq, or whatever your name is)...I
have a question for you:
How does it feel to be a pawn of the radical Muslims?
These people have been using and abusing the "noble"
Palestinians since 1948. They don't care about the Palestinians;
they simply want the leverage to use against the Israelis.
Did you ever ask yourself WHY they won't take your "people" in,
and let you settle in their countries? I mean, you are fellow
Arabs, right?
I laugh whenever I hear the term "Palestinian refugees"! What
kind of people are STILL "refugees" after 60 years???
The Palestinians are a cowardly bunch. They have reaped what
they have sown.
You will NEVER get back Israel. "Return" is a fantasy.
Lawrence Cannon| 3.15.11 @ 11:47PM
I agree that the Egyptian and Jordanian Arabs living in Israel
have the right to return to their native lands....Saudi Arabia,
where they can live under the benevolent protection of their Muslim
brothers.
wolf t.| 3.15.11 @ 3:01PM
The only true response is for the IDF to ignore arab civilians
casualties in any future response to kassams and such.
Should the world complain then ask: where was your condemnation
for the past murders of Jewish children? Begone: you have no moral
standing here!
wolf t.| 3.15.11 @ 3:04PM
To John who can't wait to see Israel destroyed:
It won't happen in your lifetime. May you live to bury your
children and grandchildren.
Seek| 3.15.11 @ 3:18PM
If a Jew had murdered an Arab family, you can be sure the
incident would be roundly denounced by "world opinion" (i.e.,
anti-Semites). But since Jews are the victims here, the murderers,
as members of an ostensibly oppressed people, somehow have
"understandable" grievances.
By the way, the killing of an entire family on grounds of Jewish
(and, falsely, Communist) already has happened in this country,
yes, America. Research the mid-1980s murder of the Goldmark family
in Seattle by an unemployed drifter.
John| 3.15.11 @ 3:47PM
Isreal has the most powerful army in the ME courtesy of uncle
Sam. The Palestinians have nothing. No army, navy....but they have
truth on their side an indefatigable belief that they will
overcome. bullies at some point overextend themselves. Isreal has
reached that point. The continued settlements in the west bank by
setller Zino Nazis is a sign of this. the palestinons will prevail.
Don't underestimate their patience. and also keep your insults to
yourself. Peace.
Ken (Old Texican)| 3.15.11 @ 4:05PM
NO JOHN!
WAR!
War to the knife!
War to the 'Day Of The Lord'!
...when you evil bastards are erased from the earth.
John| 3.15.11 @ 6:09PM
Calm down ken. Take a deep breath and relax. It is not evil to
ask for equal rights . It is not evil to ask for an end to
apartheid and ethnic cleansing. It is not evil to ask that
christain, Muslim, Jews to live together as brothers in the holy
land. But then again zionists have an odd warped view of evil.
Doctor Right| 3.15.11 @ 7:03PM
You have equal rights.
There are Palestinians who are MPs in Israel's Knesset.
When a Palestinian says "equal rights", he means the destruction
of Israel, and the slaughter of the Jews.
You're a liar.
RCV| 3.15.11 @ 11:38PM
There is no Arab country in which Jews have anything close to
equal rights, or are treated even half as well as Arabs are in
Israel. The only time that all three religions - Islam,
Christianity, and Judaism - have been able to worship freely at
their holy places in Jerusalem has been under Israeli rule.
Dc| 3.15.11 @ 4:33PM
Swine-crotch, the more you yammer nonsensically in support of
Islamofascist babykillers (and demonstrate your illiteracy), the
more you condemn dog-copulators like yourself and your filthy
"religion" to mass death and ultimate defeat. Keep it up. And don't
expect anyone (Israeli or American, Jew or otherwise) to keep his
insults to himself. You and the vast, festering, despicable
majority of your wretched, pig-sired kind should--in a sane
world--be exterminated as vermin. If there are any decent adherents
of the "religion of peace," maybe they'd survive, but they'd have
to make a pretty strong case that I don't think is possible
anymore. Go ahead, "John," come after us; keep counting on the
insane patience of the Israelis with your murdering and
celebrations of toddler-beheadings. Your luck will run out, and
when it does, what's left of you and your filthy culture and
"religion" will be buried, encased in pig fat, in unmarked graves
underneath a sea of radioactive glass. God willing. Say hi to your
toddler-stabbing buddies in hell.
John| 3.15.11 @ 6:20PM
The rights of the palestinions is enshrined in international
law. America supports a two state solution. About 10% of
Palestinians are christain. For Palestinians this is a struggle for
national rights . palestnian are supported by millions of non
Muslims. Why you keep dragging the Islamic faith into this is not
clear. Is it because you believe in the false ideology of christain
Zionism. A philosophy particularly racist towards Jews. the Muslims
are a beautiful people. Discover for your self. Peace.
Seek| 3.15.11 @ 6:41PM
A sizable number of Israelis are Christian, too. And they enjoy
full rights, far more so, in fact, than under Arab Muslim rule. So
what? The point is that Israelis do not go about slitting the
throats of innocent unarmed families. Nor do they celebrate such
acts.
Arab Muslims, however, do both. And they have a long history of
it. (Check out what happened that hot day in the streets of Hebron
in 1929 or that day at an elementary school in Ma' alot in 1974).
The lack of condemnation by Arabs over the Fogel murders is
damning. But then, it could have been predicted.
JP| 3.15.11 @ 7:15PM
John,
The Palestinians have thier state; Isreal provides them with free
electricity, free water, and the UN pours in more than $20 billion
a year in aide. Yet, the average Palestinian wants out of thier own
murderous corrupt society. The others, high off the blood of Jews
and filled with hate want nothing more than slaughter. The
Palestinians are a internationally subsidized group of killers.
BTW, the Palestinians are not in fact from Palestine. The
majority of them are from Jordan and Egpyt.
glenny| 3.15.11 @ 5:49PM
John,
If the Palestinians give up their weapons, there will be
peace.
If the Israelis give up their weapons, there will be
genocide.
glenny
RCV| 3.15.11 @ 7:22PM
Exactly right!!
GENE HAUBER| 3.15.11 @ 5:00PM
Our political leaders, to a man or woman, are so deceived by the
rhetoric of islam that it leads to mindless, animalistic atrocities
like this perpetrated by whole societies of like-minded-less
animals I.E. THE CELEBRATION IN GAZA.
I will NEVER believe that an adherent of islam is capable of any
other kind of existence....AND , therefore should be treated in the
same manner.
Their religion teaches them to kill all others.......we should use
then, their religion, to defend against that by killing them
whenever and wherever.....as a measure of survival.
NO REGRETS!!!
John| 3.15.11 @ 7:04PM
The west perfected the art of genocide murdering six million
Jews. I see the genociders are still busy on this site. you're a
disgrace .
JP| 3.15.11 @ 7:17PM
And you forget the 30 million Ukrainians murdered by Stalin, the
55 million murdered by Mau, and the 2 million murdered by Pol Pot.
Oh yes, 3 million Armenians murdered by Turks, and 20,000
Palestinians murdered by Jordan....
GENE HAUBER| 3.15.11 @ 9:33PM
hey john..........i knew my post would upset muslims........so
be it....NO REGRETS.
YOUR PEOPLE ARE A DISGRACE TO HUMANITY
Seek| 3.16.11 @ 11:21AM
Well, John, now that you've brought up the subject of Nazi
atrocities...Are you aware that Hitler and the Islamic spiritual
leader of Palestine Jerusalem -- i.e., "the Grand Mufti" -- were in
fact close allies? Are you aware that in the early Forties they
made a deal by which Muslims would kill any Jews trying to escape
Europe by settling in the Palestine territory? Your love of the
"Palestinians" is little more than a cover for resentment of
victorious Jews (as opposed to dead ones).
GENE HAUBER| 3.15.11 @ 5:02PM
EVERY CITIZEN IN THE WORLD THAT HAS A BRAIN SHOULD CRY OUT FOR
RETRIBUTION AGAINST THESE RABID PALESTINIANS AND THEIR
CULTURE......WHATEVER THAT IS.
Nite| 3.15.11 @ 10:40PM
The Palestinians do have a homeland and that is Jordan
(previously Palestine). However Jordan does not want them because
they are trouble makers. Please don't tell me that Islam is a
religion of peace. What real he men slip in through a window and
kills parents and small children including a three year old and 3
months old baby. Then celebrates those murders in the streets just
like they did the 3000 deaths in the US on 9/11. Please tell me why
Obama is trying to force Israel to give up land for these butchers.
Why is the US supporting these people. Israel is our friend in the
region, not the Palestinians.
sablegsd| 3.16.11 @ 1:01AM
Every time I read this story I cry.
I am enraged these barbaric butchers are still breathing. I am
furious that my tax money is given to these demons. I believe most
Americans are horrified at this revelation of funding for muslim
butchers.
Bulldoze their "town" and drive them over the river. Give them 1
hour to pack their knives and bombs or suffer the consequences.
When I think of that poor girl finding her family slaughtered,
how hard it is going to be for her and her remaining siblings,
words fail.
God bless her and all of Israel.
Charles Dennison| 3.16.11 @ 4:51AM
"but" but, but, but, but, but NOTHING!
There is no BUT! This EVIL is what it is! EVIL!!!
There is no excuse, there is no denial, there is NO
ABSOLUTION!!!
Own up to it - and deal with the consequences!
Enough with all the crap! I don't want to hear another word from
islam - not another word!!! The entire operation is EVIL! People,
call it what it is - EVIL! ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wodiej| 3.16.11 @ 6:31AM
This is disgusting and evil. The American people need to be more
aware of the responsibility we have as a God based country. These
types of regimes we must always be fighting against. We need to
quit electing these lightweight people to high office and get
serious about our leaders who will have some courage. I haven't
seen any for quite some time.
figusja| 3.16.11 @ 6:49AM
Then these animals complain when the Israeli's have high
security check points. You can not argue with children. For they
act like spoiled children. These animals should be treated in kind.
God forgive me for saying it. When they fear reprisals they would
not do half of the stupid things they do. When I say They I mean
"MUSLIMS"! God bless the remaining family members of this
travesty!
Darin| 3.15.11 @ 6:40AM
The religion of peace - killing babies in their sleep.
No stretch of logic can define this as anything but evil.
Tomas| 3.15.11 @ 3:26PM
I want to see the Muslim-American people publicly repudiate this behavior. I want to see them write letters to newspapers, go on the radio, on TV, on the internet.... tell us how horrible this is and how you do not support it in any way.
Until you do this, I will never believe you abhor this violence.
Speak up.
This is not a request.....
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sablegsd| 3.16.11 @ 1:04AM
The silence says it all.
Not that we didn't already know. There is no such thing as a moderate muslim. They are the spawn of the devil and anyone that supports them is doing satans work.
Oldgoat1940| 3.17.11 @ 11:11AM
As a theologian and historian, I am totally convinced that Allah is really the Devil himself who impersonated Gabriel when he appeared to Muhammed in the cave--after all, his followers do what Jesus said about the thief coming only to kill, steal and destroy. That's what true Muslim believers do best!
Herb| 3.15.11 @ 6:59AM
The delegitimation of Israel's right to exist, abetted by so-called civilized societies, has taken on a new and abominable form: Palestinians celebrating the murder of innocents (oh - pardonnez-moi - only Muslims are innocent) no longer astonishes nor horrifies nor brings down condemnation from the `civilized societies'. But... if the world now hates Israel totally, let them retaliate totally. Taking out several thousand candy-eaters in Gaza might be a good start; they behave like moral savages and no longer merit civilized treatment.
Teaghan| 3.15.11 @ 10:12AM
....abetted by obama and his henchmen.
The word "evil" doesn't cover this. Has the abetter in chief said anything publicly about this or is he playing golf again. This bastard is clueless.
ImaMommy| 3.15.11 @ 11:30AM
They danced in the streets in Paterson, NJ after 9/11, passing out candy and burning the American Flag. Never made the news and this was on American soil. Wake up U.S. of A... stop them or we're next.
Appleby| 3.15.11 @ 7:07AM
The more they get away with, the more they will do.
Stop them.
mommy2two| 3.15.11 @ 11:25AM
Give an inch, they take a mile. It applies to every, single thing in life; personal, professional and political. Stop them.
JP| 3.15.11 @ 7:34AM
This is the modus operandi of the Islamo-fascists. Terror is all they know. And I'm sure our State Department sent a few very quiet communications to Tel Aviv warning Isreal to not seek vengence. The MSM remains quiet, and the President plays golf. And Isrealis continue to suffer.
This much is true. The Mossad will conduct a very quiet thourough investigation; it will compile a list of the names and organizations of the people who committed this act, and the Mossad will take them out.
And then it will start all over again.
FTM| 3.16.11 @ 12:09AM
I wouldn't worry about revenge too much. The Mossad makes people have car wrecks and fall down the basement steps and slip in the bath tub all the time. They'll be working overtime on this little episode. This collection of savages has earned the full treatment too.
Richard Baker| 3.15.11 @ 8:09AM
Religion of Peace? Really? Islam is a murder cult not unlike the 1830s Thuggees in India and the Koran is the guidebook to depravity.
Pelligrino| 3.15.11 @ 8:14AM
While we are at the discussion of $350 million in the FY2011 budget for Planned Parenthood, would someone please illuminate the dollar figure being sent by US taxpayers to Palestinians this FY?
No more.
All my life I have read of these scenarios. Yes, they are but stories in newsclippings for me. But they are real. And real lives snuffed out by evildoers.
Time to end the farce of supporting Palestinians. Time to shout them down and call them evil, undeserving of the many blessings repeatedly bestowed upon them.
Sara Burke| 3.15.11 @ 8:29AM
Jay...thanks for this beautiful essay on a sweet family that I can't get out of my mind since last week's Sabbath. I was visiting Israel two years ago during Purim and have many pictures of the festively costumed children, parents and even dogs. Many were carrying baskets of goodies to friends and neighbors. It breaks my heart to see innocence shattered in cold blood. Yet as you point out we see a glimpse of God peek through the brutality as a remnant remains. The escalation of evil gives me hope that Light will shine even brighter.
TennesseeVolunteer| 3.15.11 @ 8:36AM
I made myself look at the pictures of the murdered family in order to cement in my soul the true evil of a supposed religion that wishes harm on good people of all other faiths, particularly the Israelis.
We will never forsake Israel.
Sara Burke| 3.15.11 @ 8:54AM
Everyone should look at those pictures. It will change you forever.
cuban pete| 3.15.11 @ 9:09AM
Israel and the Jewish people are always on my prayer list.
I will pray especially for the Fogel family during this Lenten season.
Occam's Tool| 3.15.11 @ 10:01AM
Thank you so much, Pete. What a kind and sweet thought.
RCV| 3.15.11 @ 2:35PM
Amen.
Sandra| 3.15.11 @ 9:26AM
Are we REALLY sure that we all worship the same G-d of the Book? Really?
It really does seem (to me) that the G-d of Abraham, Jacob, and Issac; the G-d of John the Baptist, and Jesus, may not be one and the same with theirs
Pelligrino| 3.15.11 @ 9:47AM
Sandra, I am sure that you are just pondering aloud (in written words), but there is just one God Almighty.
Whatever Islam claims and Muslims say, it is not a religion, a faith. Islam = evil. It is Satan's handiwork every day. They belong to him.
There is nothing that stands equal to the God of the Bible. Just look again at what God gives Moses (gives all of us) in the Ten Commandments.
John Navratil| 3.15.11 @ 11:03AM
Pelligrino,
I agree with you. Perhaps Sandra's question should have been "Do Muslims worship God or something else?" We know what they claim, but was it really Gabriel who had Mohammed's ear?
Bill Croke| 3.15.11 @ 9:35AM
Great one, Jay.
Brian Mc| 3.15.11 @ 9:46AM
I stand by my post of yesterday. A database listing of mosques with the top positions held by the most militant. A bombing here, a stabbing there-a mosque is vaporized from the face of the earth...oops, sorry!
VBMax| 3.15.11 @ 10:42AM
I haven't felt this sad about an event and its aftermath in quite a long time. I'm not suprised at the viciousness and cruelty of the Palestinians. A while back one of them intentionally blew himself up standing next to a baby carriage. And they celebrated that event as well.
What truly saddens me is the response of what passes for western "civilization" in the 21st century. It continues on its path to oblivion undeterred by the evil that is pushing it there. And it will arrive if not enough of us do something effective to stop it. I'm talking about our lives, our families and friends, our country and our civilization. I'm afraid that commenting on blogs and voting will not be enough although unloading the current government would be a good start.
These murders are a microcosm of what threatens all of us if we don't stop this evil in its tracks. I'm the son of a holocaust survivor (Auschwitz) so I got the lesson straight from the horse's mouth. And I'm preparing myself for this battle, whatever it takes.
glenny| 3.15.11 @ 10:53AM
I sometimes imagine what it would be like to lend-lease to Israel, a 4 pack of B-52s, fully loaded bomb racks, topped off fuel loads (1st load is included), etc etc etc. Say, $1/day/B-52. Destination = Gaza, maybe Damascus. Yeeeaaahhh ! glenny
Occam's Tool| 3.15.11 @ 1:27PM
Actually, just have their backs. That's all that is required.
David W| 3.15.11 @ 11:32AM
I posted a quick rememberance to my facebook page (as well as a longer note concerning the cult of death that the Palestinians under Islam have become). If I were in Congress I would introduce a bill that would cut off all humanitarian aid to the PLA and the Palestinian people. After all, humanitarian aid should go to humans. And the Palestinians are not human. Sure, there may be some who were shocked and saddened, but they are few and far between. The rest have been bred to hate and to destroy and to kill - what little civilization they have will be gone soon.
The Palestinians use "occupation" as their excuse to target Jews/Israelis. Cannot Israel use "murder" and "self-defense" as their excuse to remove the thorn in their side?
Claudia Monteverdi| 3.15.11 @ 11:44AM
Dear Jay,
Your worrds should be writ intaglio on a block of cold granite and placed ontothe peazzas of the great cities of our civilistion. utterly magnificent expression of fact and feeling, which, I trust,we all share.
Pity the New York Times Front Page siezed upon it for another one of their infamous "we hate Israel, we love our arabs" fabrications.."illegal settlers attacked, casualties reported"--Hillary? "both sides should show restraint" O'bama? who's he? Oh yeah, another round of golf, a niice weekend in the country and "my prayers for the people of Japan and the loved ones of those attacked" (in occupied trans-Jordan?)..
Thanks Jay,
Claudia
Conservative Bob| 3.15.11 @ 12:24PM
What kind of person can with their bare hands do this to an 3 month old baby, let alone the other children.
To give another dime to a people who would celebrate such monstrosity is to stain us with the blood of these innocents.
Over and again we are told that this is just a small extremist faction of the ‘religion of peace’ I will believe that these horrendous acts are not emblematic of the entire religion when I read that outraged Muslims stoned to death the both the killer/killers and those that celebrated this unspeakable act because of the shame it brings to Islam.
John| 3.15.11 @ 12:32PM
Zionism is based on a racist ideology . They have murdered and ethnically Palestinian each day for the sixty plus years . The crimes of the Zionist settlers has no end. This criminality extends to all there supports. I condem the murder of the innocent. But it should not blind us to the crimes of zionists. the days for the apartheid entity are numbered. If they had any sense they should make peace with the palestianians and reabsorb six million plus Palestinian refugees. They can do it willingly to day . For tomorrow they may not get a chance. May God bless the palestians. There is no greater people on the earth. The crimes of the zionists is this crime times 10 million plus.
Conservative Bob| 3.15.11 @ 1:01PM
Condemnation with a 'but' is all we ever hear from apologists for the murderous Palestinians.
“No greater people on earth…“, that celebrate the slaughter of innocent children and babies?
No one, no people anywhere that celebrate the death and slaughter of innocents deserves the any consideration from the civilized world.
They deserve our scorn and condemnation, and the complete withdrawal of all material support. Let them eat sand!
John Navratil| 3.15.11 @ 1:04PM
Conservative Bob,
Standby for more evasions, dogma, non sequitors and other B.S from the gift of God. Please do not feed the troll.
Occam's Tool| 3.15.11 @ 1:28PM
John.
You. Are. A. Supporter. Of. Chil. Rape. And. Murder. Maggot.
Occam's Tool| 3.15.11 @ 1:32PM
John,
this is in response to the murder of a 3 month old. Only you could congratulate their killers. You are a piece of dog excrement, a filthy supporter of child rape and murder, a moral maggot. No further comments from you regarding this child are required, you excrement eating maggot.
John Navratil| 3.15.11 @ 1:59PM
Occam's Tool,
"Never try and teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig."
-- Robert Heinlein
This pig is best ignored.
Dave Williams| 3.15.11 @ 2:00PM
You, sir, are a completely disgusting walking moral obscenity, and the sooner you emulate your evident heroes by blowing yourself up, the better the world would be.
RCV| 3.15.11 @ 2:57PM
John: You need to learn some history as well as some humanity. Zionism is simply based on the yearning of the Jewish people to live in peace in their historic home. This could have been possible, as King Abdullah of Jordan and others recognized. Let's review the historical record for just one moment: Jews had lived in the Holy Land for millenia. By 1875, they were a majority of Jerusalem's population and had sizeable population centers elsewhere in Palestine. After the break-up of the Ottoman Empire and the aftermath of World War I, Britain was given trusteeship over the territory of Palestine by the League of Nations for the express purpose of "creating a national homeland for the Jewish people" there. This could have been done in consonance with respect for the existing rights of both the Arabs who lived in the area AND the tens of thousands of Arabs who flooded into the region to take advantage of the growing economic activity resulting from Jewish immigration. The British even took 2/3 of the Palestine Mandate given them, and set up a Palestinian Arab state they called "TransJordan", placing the sone of the former Sharif of Mecca on its throne. Then the British abandoned their commitment to set up a Jewish homeland in the remaining one-third. The United Nations carefully proposed carving what remained of the little left of Palestine into yet another Palestinian Arab state and a much smaller Jewish state. But the Arabs rejected this proposal, attacked the new Jewish state, and when the dust settled after the Arab defeat, two Arab countries -- Egypt and Jordan -- seized what should have been the new Arab Palestine and annexed it to their countries. What did the Palestinian Arabs do then? The Palestinian National Assembly voted overwhelmingly to be incorporated into Jordan, which they correctly proclaimed to be Arab Palestine. That state destroyed the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem, banned Jews from their holy sites, and desecrated the synagogues and Jewish holy sites in their control. When the Jews recaptured the Old City after the 1967 war, what did they do? They immediately returned control over Al Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock to the Islamic Waqf.
It's not a pretty history from the Islamic side. Incorporation of the Arabs into Israel proper would mean the death of the Jewish state, not to mention the physical annihilation of hundreds of thousands of Jewish families just like the Fogels. That is just not going to happen. Never. The Palestinian Arabs may be a great people, but they have been ill-served by their leaders and the leaders of their fellow Arab states. They have, as Churchill famously said, "never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity" for peace and reconcilliation.
W| 3.15.11 @ 4:05PM
We are wasting time attempting to reason with johnny. He pretends to be a foreign muslim with his bad english and grammar. He is here only to provoke,insult, and stir hate, much like his friends murdering babies. johny and his friends do not have the courage to fight because they get beat every time they attack Israel. So they attack babies and a civilian in a wheelchair on a cruise ship. Johny doesn't even have the courage to write without pretending to be a muslim.
one question johnny, why is it that all the arab muslim countries refuse to allow the palestinians in their countries, for example, Jordan kicked them out of Jordan years ago. You don't really care for the palestinians, you like them only as a symbol to attack Israel.
Doctor Right| 3.15.11 @ 4:43PM
"I condemn the murder of the innocent. But..."
We all knew there was a "but" coming, didn't we?
Genesis 16:12: "He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."
That's God describing the sons of Ishmael.
Sounds like the Palestinians to me.
Tim the Enchanter| 3.15.11 @ 5:38PM
Sounds like ALL Arab nations!
Lawrence Cannon| 3.15.11 @ 11:38PM
"Palestine" was created by the Romans after they ethnically cleansed the Holy Land of Jews after the revolt of Bar Kochba in 135 A.D. "Palestine" was the latin version of the term "Philistines", in order to humiliate the Hebrew people. Until the early 20th Century, the land now called Israel was a sparsely populated craphole, a backwater of the Ottoman Empire. When the Jewish people started coming back, they performed miracles on the land.
No, the "Palestinians" aren't a people. They're Egyptians or Jordanians who rooted for the wrong armies during the Israeli war of Independence of 1948.
Jeremiah| 3.16.11 @ 6:00PM
John, I used to believe Islam to be one of the three great monotheistic religions. I now understand it for the satanic death cult it is. If I were in charge, I would recognize Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Palestinians for the rabid dogs they are - and encourage Israel to rid the world of rabid dogs. Fortunately, your brutality has not made me quite as savage as you. I would spare the children.
Doctor Right| 3.15.11 @ 12:40PM
I wish we had a President who would boldly say to the Israelis:
"Do whatever you need to do to secure your borders. You have the full, open support of my administration."
Within a week, the Arab/Muslim governments would be begging for peace.
Occam's Tool| 3.15.11 @ 1:29PM
I wish you were President, Doctor.
Sara Burke| 3.15.11 @ 2:17PM
He won't even allow us to secure our own borders.
Tim the Enchanter| 3.15.11 @ 12:54PM
Jay: IIRC that Purim ("Lots" or "chance") came into being when the Israelites were living in Persia after the fall of the Babylonian Empire. I also remember it was Haman (or however he spelt his name), an Amelekite, who tricked the Persians into attempting to destroy Israel. Considering that the present-day Iranians are descendants of the Persians, isn't it nice that things have changed so much since then (not)?
OLD RAY| 3.15.11 @ 1:00PM
A fine article. The Palestinians behave like monsters (not animals. Animals behave far better,) So they behaved when they tried to take over Jordan and were kicked out. So they behaved in South Lebanon and were saved and transported to Tunisia ,then moved into the "West Bank" of Israel by "Oslo". So they behaved when the USA was attacked on 9-11.. Israel would be insane to allow a Palestinian State in Judea and Samaria (Yes that is the historic proper name ffor the area - check ANY encyclopedia published before 1967 in your library.) The anti-semitic US State department is responsible for much of the trouble in "The Holy Land".
John| 3.15.11 @ 1:52PM
It's the palestionos who are murdered and killed in very large numbers each day. Their crime is being Arab , Christian. Or Muslim . This is the only truth that the zionist trolls on this website don't want you to know. Instead they want to misdirect people with their racism against arab and muslim people . they show crocodile tears to hide their hate. The palestinions are an entire nation imprisioned by zionists. this is an apartheid ideology whose days are numbered. I support a single state for all Jews Muslims Christions with equall rights . The comments here are not suprising since many descend from slave owners in the recent past. Racism comes easly from such people. The American people are learning the truth . The palestinions are angles on the earth. God bless them.
David V| 3.15.11 @ 4:32PM
Learn to spell you moron.
Doctor Right| 3.15.11 @ 4:45PM
Angles, eh?
Makes sense to me; Palestinian logic is obtuse, and they're an acute pain-in-the-ass.
Richard Baker| 3.15.11 @ 2:06PM
John:
Palestinian=fiction. The present day bearers of that phony name are Jordanian. They were thrown out when they tried to kill King Hussein of Jordan, King Abdullah's Father, and he and the Jordanian Army killed approximately 30K of them in so doing. Look up Black September, bozo.
Sam Levi| 3.15.11 @ 2:32PM
John,
Your ignorance, stupidity, blatant racism, and revisionism know no bounds. You throw out accusations with no proof. You allegedly decry violence yet celebrate it with the other half of every statement. Let me explain it so that even a totally intellectualy deficient such as yourself can understand. There is no actual race of Palestinian. Palestinians as they are called today are illegal immigrants, fanatics, and terrorists. In short, they are criminals. Israel belongs to the Jewish people, get over it. You and your kind have been trying to steal it for over 60 years. The Jews took a barren wasteland suitable only for an outdoor toilet and turned it into a beautiful and productive country. The "palestinians" can't stand that so want to steal and destroy what the cannot or will not do for yourselves. You are just like the other pieces of dog excrement that says anytime we don't like something an Islamist has done we are racist. Guess what, we hear that same crap when we decry your boy in our oval office. The only way to make peace with Islam is to erradicate your disgusting religion.
John| 3.15.11 @ 2:52PM
Wow! The truth really rattles you. Good. Palestinians are recognised by virtually all states including USA . Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. if you want to support apartheid based on fairy tales from two thousand years ago- good for you. Isreal still has a chance to save itself by supporting the right of return of palestinian refugees. many Jews in isreal have also come to this conclusion. Your Muslim hatred will get you nowhere. your lies and fairy tales will get you nowhere.
Dc| 3.15.11 @ 3:11PM
John (aka, pig-shit), dog's feet, or whatever other unpleasant things civilized folk can rightfully call you sandsucking worshippers of a 7th century brigand and child-molester:
Name one time that an Israeli soldier has knowingly murdered a "Palestinian" (see above, I don't need to elaborate on that fraud) toddler in his/her sleep?
Name one time that the Jewish people have bounced around in the streets shrieking like hyenas, celebrating the murder of innocent babies?
Name one time that I as an American, non-Jew, will ever look on anyone of your "faith" again without utter contempt, secure in the knowledge that you will either kill my children, or I'll kill yours, and there's no middle ground anymore (if there ever was--which I doubt).
Keep apologizing for the scum your "people" (vermin, actually) consider their heroes for murdering children, see how far that gets you outside of the treasonous sympathizers temporarily occupying the White House.
Someday soon, real God-willing, an Israeli or U.S. leader is going to get serious, turn entire regions of the world into a radioactive sea of glass, and purge insects like you from both nations.
Doctor Right| 3.15.11 @ 5:32PM
Hey "John" (or Mustafa, or Maliq, or whatever your name is)...I have a question for you:
How does it feel to be a pawn of the radical Muslims?
These people have been using and abusing the "noble" Palestinians since 1948. They don't care about the Palestinians; they simply want the leverage to use against the Israelis.
Did you ever ask yourself WHY they won't take your "people" in, and let you settle in their countries? I mean, you are fellow Arabs, right?
I laugh whenever I hear the term "Palestinian refugees"! What kind of people are STILL "refugees" after 60 years???
The Palestinians are a cowardly bunch. They have reaped what they have sown.
You will NEVER get back Israel. "Return" is a fantasy.
Lawrence Cannon| 3.15.11 @ 11:47PM
I agree that the Egyptian and Jordanian Arabs living in Israel have the right to return to their native lands....Saudi Arabia, where they can live under the benevolent protection of their Muslim brothers.
wolf t.| 3.15.11 @ 3:01PM
The only true response is for the IDF to ignore arab civilians casualties in any future response to kassams and such.
Should the world complain then ask: where was your condemnation for the past murders of Jewish children? Begone: you have no moral standing here!
wolf t.| 3.15.11 @ 3:04PM
To John who can't wait to see Israel destroyed:
It won't happen in your lifetime. May you live to bury your children and grandchildren.
Seek| 3.15.11 @ 3:18PM
If a Jew had murdered an Arab family, you can be sure the incident would be roundly denounced by "world opinion" (i.e., anti-Semites). But since Jews are the victims here, the murderers, as members of an ostensibly oppressed people, somehow have "understandable" grievances.
By the way, the killing of an entire family on grounds of Jewish (and, falsely, Communist) already has happened in this country, yes, America. Research the mid-1980s murder of the Goldmark family in Seattle by an unemployed drifter.
John| 3.15.11 @ 3:47PM
Isreal has the most powerful army in the ME courtesy of uncle Sam. The Palestinians have nothing. No army, navy....but they have truth on their side an indefatigable belief that they will overcome. bullies at some point overextend themselves. Isreal has reached that point. The continued settlements in the west bank by setller Zino Nazis is a sign of this. the palestinons will prevail. Don't underestimate their patience. and also keep your insults to yourself. Peace.
Ken (Old Texican)| 3.15.11 @ 4:05PM
NO JOHN!
WAR!
War to the knife!
War to the 'Day Of The Lord'!
...when you evil bastards are erased from the earth.
John| 3.15.11 @ 6:09PM
Calm down ken. Take a deep breath and relax. It is not evil to ask for equal rights . It is not evil to ask for an end to apartheid and ethnic cleansing. It is not evil to ask that christain, Muslim, Jews to live together as brothers in the holy land. But then again zionists have an odd warped view of evil.
Doctor Right| 3.15.11 @ 7:03PM
You have equal rights.
There are Palestinians who are MPs in Israel's Knesset.
When a Palestinian says "equal rights", he means the destruction of Israel, and the slaughter of the Jews.
You're a liar.
RCV| 3.15.11 @ 11:38PM
There is no Arab country in which Jews have anything close to equal rights, or are treated even half as well as Arabs are in Israel. The only time that all three religions - Islam, Christianity, and Judaism - have been able to worship freely at their holy places in Jerusalem has been under Israeli rule.
Dc| 3.15.11 @ 4:33PM
Swine-crotch, the more you yammer nonsensically in support of Islamofascist babykillers (and demonstrate your illiteracy), the more you condemn dog-copulators like yourself and your filthy "religion" to mass death and ultimate defeat. Keep it up. And don't expect anyone (Israeli or American, Jew or otherwise) to keep his insults to himself. You and the vast, festering, despicable majority of your wretched, pig-sired kind should--in a sane world--be exterminated as vermin. If there are any decent adherents of the "religion of peace," maybe they'd survive, but they'd have to make a pretty strong case that I don't think is possible anymore. Go ahead, "John," come after us; keep counting on the insane patience of the Israelis with your murdering and celebrations of toddler-beheadings. Your luck will run out, and when it does, what's left of you and your filthy culture and "religion" will be buried, encased in pig fat, in unmarked graves underneath a sea of radioactive glass. God willing. Say hi to your toddler-stabbing buddies in hell.
John| 3.15.11 @ 6:20PM
The rights of the palestinions is enshrined in international law. America supports a two state solution. About 10% of Palestinians are christain. For Palestinians this is a struggle for national rights . palestnian are supported by millions of non Muslims. Why you keep dragging the Islamic faith into this is not clear. Is it because you believe in the false ideology of christain Zionism. A philosophy particularly racist towards Jews. the Muslims are a beautiful people. Discover for your self. Peace.
Seek| 3.15.11 @ 6:41PM
A sizable number of Israelis are Christian, too. And they enjoy full rights, far more so, in fact, than under Arab Muslim rule. So what? The point is that Israelis do not go about slitting the throats of innocent unarmed families. Nor do they celebrate such acts.
Arab Muslims, however, do both. And they have a long history of it. (Check out what happened that hot day in the streets of Hebron in 1929 or that day at an elementary school in Ma' alot in 1974). The lack of condemnation by Arabs over the Fogel murders is damning. But then, it could have been predicted.
JP| 3.15.11 @ 7:15PM
John,
The Palestinians have thier state; Isreal provides them with free electricity, free water, and the UN pours in more than $20 billion a year in aide. Yet, the average Palestinian wants out of thier own murderous corrupt society. The others, high off the blood of Jews and filled with hate want nothing more than slaughter. The Palestinians are a internationally subsidized group of killers.
BTW, the Palestinians are not in fact from Palestine. The majority of them are from Jordan and Egpyt.
glenny| 3.15.11 @ 5:49PM
John,
If the Palestinians give up their weapons, there will be peace.
If the Israelis give up their weapons, there will be genocide.
glenny
RCV| 3.15.11 @ 7:22PM
Exactly right!!
GENE HAUBER| 3.15.11 @ 5:00PM
Our political leaders, to a man or woman, are so deceived by the rhetoric of islam that it leads to mindless, animalistic atrocities like this perpetrated by whole societies of like-minded-less animals I.E. THE CELEBRATION IN GAZA.
I will NEVER believe that an adherent of islam is capable of any other kind of existence....AND , therefore should be treated in the same manner.
Their religion teaches them to kill all others.......we should use then, their religion, to defend against that by killing them whenever and wherever.....as a measure of survival.
NO REGRETS!!!
John| 3.15.11 @ 7:04PM
The west perfected the art of genocide murdering six million Jews. I see the genociders are still busy on this site. you're a disgrace .
JP| 3.15.11 @ 7:17PM
And you forget the 30 million Ukrainians murdered by Stalin, the 55 million murdered by Mau, and the 2 million murdered by Pol Pot. Oh yes, 3 million Armenians murdered by Turks, and 20,000 Palestinians murdered by Jordan....
GENE HAUBER| 3.15.11 @ 9:33PM
hey john..........i knew my post would upset muslims........so be it....NO REGRETS.
YOUR PEOPLE ARE A DISGRACE TO HUMANITY
Seek| 3.16.11 @ 11:21AM
Well, John, now that you've brought up the subject of Nazi atrocities...Are you aware that Hitler and the Islamic spiritual leader of Palestine Jerusalem -- i.e., "the Grand Mufti" -- were in fact close allies? Are you aware that in the early Forties they made a deal by which Muslims would kill any Jews trying to escape Europe by settling in the Palestine territory? Your love of the "Palestinians" is little more than a cover for resentment of victorious Jews (as opposed to dead ones).
GENE HAUBER| 3.15.11 @ 5:02PM
EVERY CITIZEN IN THE WORLD THAT HAS A BRAIN SHOULD CRY OUT FOR RETRIBUTION AGAINST THESE RABID PALESTINIANS AND THEIR CULTURE......WHATEVER THAT IS.
Nite| 3.15.11 @ 10:40PM
The Palestinians do have a homeland and that is Jordan (previously Palestine). However Jordan does not want them because they are trouble makers. Please don't tell me that Islam is a religion of peace. What real he men slip in through a window and kills parents and small children including a three year old and 3 months old baby. Then celebrates those murders in the streets just like they did the 3000 deaths in the US on 9/11. Please tell me why Obama is trying to force Israel to give up land for these butchers. Why is the US supporting these people. Israel is our friend in the region, not the Palestinians.
sablegsd| 3.16.11 @ 1:01AM
Every time I read this story I cry.
I am enraged these barbaric butchers are still breathing. I am furious that my tax money is given to these demons. I believe most Americans are horrified at this revelation of funding for muslim butchers.
Bulldoze their "town" and drive them over the river. Give them 1 hour to pack their knives and bombs or suffer the consequences.
When I think of that poor girl finding her family slaughtered, how hard it is going to be for her and her remaining siblings, words fail.
God bless her and all of Israel.
Charles Dennison| 3.16.11 @ 4:51AM
"but" but, but, but, but, but NOTHING!
There is no BUT! This EVIL is what it is! EVIL!!!
There is no excuse, there is no denial, there is NO ABSOLUTION!!!
Own up to it - and deal with the consequences!
Enough with all the crap! I don't want to hear another word from islam - not another word!!! The entire operation is EVIL! People, call it what it is - EVIL! ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wodiej| 3.16.11 @ 6:31AM
This is disgusting and evil. The American people need to be more aware of the responsibility we have as a God based country. These types of regimes we must always be fighting against. We need to quit electing these lightweight people to high office and get serious about our leaders who will have some courage. I haven't seen any for quite some time.
figusja| 3.16.11 @ 6:49AM
Then these animals complain when the Israeli's have high security check points. You can not argue with children. For they act like spoiled children. These animals should be treated in kind. God forgive me for saying it. When they fear reprisals they would not do half of the stupid things they do. When I say They I mean "MUSLIMS"! God bless the remaining family members of this travesty!
marilyn| 3.16.11 @ 1:40PM
Well said, Jay.
Creative Recreation| 8.11.11 @ 12:27AM
is good