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Democrat Thuggery in Its Worst Form

By Andrew Cline on 3.11.11 @ 6:10AM

The left in Wisconsin tries to undo an election.

After Democratic state senators fled the state to block a fair vote, and after union members took over the capitol building, and after Republican senators received death threats, Wisconsin state Sen. Robert Jauch, D-Poplar, labeled Republican passage of a bill to reduce public employee collective bargaining power “political thuggery in its worst form.”

And the left wonders why so much of America doesn’t take it seriously.

At 9:18 Wednesday night, an e-mail was sent to Republican state senators in Wisconsin. Its first paragraph reads:

Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your familes [sic] will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell. Read below for more information on possible scenarios in which you will die.

Republican senators reported receiving harassing and threatening phone calls, being physically bumped around at the state capitol, and having their cars struck by protesters. Yet here is how Sen. Jauch described the protests:

I have deeply respected the mature, responsible and thoughtful manner in which hundreds of thousands of citizens have politely exercised free speech in protesting Governor Walker’s proposal to end 52 years of collective bargaining.

Unfortunately for Sen. Jauch, more than three-fourths of Americans have Internet access, and, therefore, the ability to see for themselves whether the protesters and Democratic senators were being mature, responsible and thoughtful.

They can decide whether Jauch was more correct than Republican state Sen. Glenn Grothman, who said: “This has been all about intimidating, be it the death threats, the screaming in the face, the late night phone calls or the recalls, this has been all about trying to intimidate Republican legislators into bowing to the public unions, and it has only steeled our resolve.”

Service Employees International Union President Mary Kay Henry said Republicans had denied Wisconsin citizens a “voice.” OK, just so we have this straight, fleeing the state to strip the majority of the duly elected Senate of a quorum, shutting down the capitol building, and intimidating the majority with phone and e-mail threats is OK, but passing a bill by majority vote after getting the OK of the Legislative Fiscal Bureau, the Legislative Council and the Legislative Reference Bureau is silencing the people?

Speaking of denying the people their voice, former Democratic Congressman David Obey is trying to have Gov. Scott Walker recalled. That’s not legal under Wisconsin law. Only politicians in office for at least a year can be recalled, and Walker has been in office for eight weeks. But Obey says he should be recalled anyway, ABC News reports, because he’s “abusive.”

Obey isn’t alone. Wisconsin Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca made an effort to have Speaker Joe Fitzgerald removed from office, yelling on the Assembly floor, “your speaker is impaired.”

Wisconsin Democrats are trying to recall every Republican senator who has been in office for at least a year. Republicans are trying to recall eight Democrats who fled the state to avoid voting on the union compensation and bargaining bill. Democrats want to recall the Republicans “because they support Walker’s anti-union bill,” according to ABC News.

But it’s the Republicans who are trying to silence the people?

Gov. Scott Walker won election last fall with 52 percent of the vote. The state Senate went from 18-15 Democrat to 19-14 Republican. The Assembly went from 50-45 Democrat (with two independents) to 60-38 Republican (with one independent). Sen. Russ Feingold lost the seat he’d held for 18 years, and the House seat Obey held for 41 years went Republican.

It was a Republican electoral victory of historic proportions. And the Democrats and public-sector labor unions are trying to undo it by shutting down the legislature, intimidating the majority, and removing fairly elected politicians simply because they disagree with them. In Wisconsin, it’s not the Republicans who are subverting the will of the people.

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Andrew Cline is editorial page editor of the New Hampshire Union Leader. His Twitter ID is @Drewhampshire.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (414) | Leave a comment Leave a comment

Darin| 3.11.11 @ 6:38AM

Perhaps the American people are waking up to the fact that the current Democratic party and their allies the unions are a bunch of lying cry-babies.

Democrats forced Obamacare through via backdoor means and locking out Republicans, Republicans and conservatives did not whine. The Tea Party protests were extremely civil, and the only "incidents" were deliberately created by liberals and unions.

Democrats abandon their posts in Wisconsin, and there were riots and threats made by liberal protestors and unions.

It's becoming clear to anyone with half a brain. Conservatives and Republicans are behaving like adults while liberals and Democrats are behaving like children.

mames| 3.11.11 @ 8:18AM

I have not been able to find one incident of the GOP walking away from a vote even knowing they would lose. More often you find the GOP, knowing they will lose, capitulating as they vote, putting up tepid resistence. The Dems in WI walked away because they were out numbered and were going to lose the vote. That is pure cowardice and abdication of official duties. Recall would be too good for them.

Brian Mc| 3.11.11 @ 9:05AM

I could never quite put my thumb on it, mames, but you nailed it quite succinctly: "That is pure cowardice and abdication of official duties"...well said. And, thanks to you.

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 9:10AM

If cowardice is called for to win and conquer, then thats what will be employed. Simple as that. Winning is the only thing to be judged by.

Patrick| 3.11.11 @ 3:14PM

Well, they could have gotten some concessions had they negotiated with Gov. Walker in good faith. Now, for all their tantrums, they get nothing.

Democrats, had they paid attention to Milwaukee County politics over the last few yearss, should have known that Scott Walker is not some insecure oaf to be bowled over with by their immature actions.

Marxfreesociety| 3.11.11 @ 8:05PM

No rules? Our society has succeded because of order and structure. Dems, union/thugs/whiney socialists - Barry has unleashed the social cracken! The only thing that can stop it is a deep stare into Herr Pelosi's Medusa like face, turning us all to stone like her and Reid.

K962| 3.13.11 @ 5:47AM

Spoken like a true leftist! The end justifies the means!

jimbeaux| 3.13.11 @ 12:59PM

So said Hitler.

vtwin| 3.11.11 @ 10:24AM

Give me a break; Senate Republicans constantly used the filibuster to block Obama and the Democratic majority elected in 2008. And, the tea- baggers lead by Fox “NEWS” were disrupting congressional town hall meetings all across the nation. But you right about the “American people waking up.” These courageous Wisconsin Democratic State Senators by their actions have exposed for ALL Americans to see the true agenda of the Republican Party and the wealthy elite who fund their election campaigns, the destruction of the American middle class. Let the recalls begin.

mames| 3.11.11 @ 10:35AM

Filibuster is a accepted part of the legislative process, running away is not. Tea Party folks were forcefully vocal, they left no damage either physically or to the process. Dems only love democracy when it goes their way. BTW how small of you to use the disgusting tea bagger phrase to identify your fellow Americans. I thought liberals hated it when one resorted to name calling once their defense was shot.

vtwin| 3.11.11 @ 10:49AM

Listen friend, I don’t know where you get your ideas of what is or isn’t acceptable to liberals. But for this liberal nothing is unacceptable when it comes to protecting mine and my family way of life.

Doctor Right| 3.11.11 @ 11:05AM

Same goes for us, l'il libby boy. Got it?

The end of the Looter-Class is coming; better sign-up for a job-training course at your local municipality as soon as possible.

Oops! We're going to gut those, too!

vtwin| 3.11.11 @ 11:31AM

I have a job Doc. I’ve had a job my whole adult life. Because, I grow up in an America where you get a job right out of high school or right out of the military service but that was before “free trade” and corporate greed sent American jobs to Asia. And, I don’t bitch like you spoiled brats because I have to pay taxes for the privilege of living in the greatest country in the world.

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 11:38AM

PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE, LIAR.

JmsA| 3.11.11 @ 12:08PM

Very eloquently put, Grzmlyk!

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 12:18PM

Thanks, JmsA.

Thieving leftist vermin are always very generous with your money. But when it comes to "theirs," it's a different story. Suddenly they get all proprietary. Which is hilarious, because most of "theirs" is stolen from us.

The first 3 rules of liberalism: Lie, lie, lie.

Kind of like their idea of hate: They can riot, they can threaten, they can have their union thugs beat up tea partiers, and that's just "democracy."

We disagree politely or obey parliamentary procedure and that's hate.

I'm done with these people.

If it's war they want, it's war they'll get - and then that ragtag army of fools, felons, pawns and storm troopers are going to be very surprised when real Americans finally take the gloves off.

vtwin| 3.11.11 @ 12:40PM

War? Look friend, I watched your tea-baggers on tv, a bunch of white overweight middle aged faggots, back down from a single black man, while yelling “someone call the police,” someone call the government to help us. As a white man who rides with Blacks and Hispanics it was embarrassing to watch. No, you don’t want war.

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 12:47PM

Ooh, what a BIG man you are. Gosh, I'm impressed with what a big mouth you have.

Why the hate? I thought you tea rapists were all about love? Ah yes - scratch the surface of a "compassionate liberal" and the truth comes out - an ugly, hateful, thieving, parasitic felon. You are a cancer, "friend."

Hey, big man: Why don't you stop putting other people's money where your mouth is? Because that doesn't make you a good person. When "Person A" stands in a corner jerking off on his moral vanity and telling "Person B" to give "Person C "all of his money, that doesn't make "Person A" Good.

That makes him an extortionist.

Lois C| 3.11.11 @ 5:50PM

@Grzmlyk: What are you like 5 years old? Get off the computer, your mother is calling.

Hey folks, how about a little civility and respect for other opinions here? Why is it that the Democrats always get so violently hateful when someone disagrees with them. Grow up libs?

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 6:36PM

Lois, I have a question: Can you read?

Liberals offer no civility whatsoever. I, for one, am tired of being courteous and fighting by Marquis of Queensbury rules as leftists plunder and loot this country.

No. No more civility to liberals, and no respect. Particularly when they employe the moniker "tea bagger."

So thanks for the lesson in manners. If I want another one, I'll get my mommy.

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 1:05PM

By the way, tea-rapist, calling somebody a faggot is a hate crime in your world, isn't it?

What's the matter, sweetheart? Homophobic? Well, you know what liberals always say, if you're homophobic, that must mean you are secretly a homosexual.

But you don't need such a big mouth to satisfy Markos. I understand his equipment is underwhelming.

I know, maybe you want to take on Markos, Al Gore, Jon Stewart and Bill Maher at the same time. Sort of make the circle jerk official.

If I know those guys, you won't be able to sit down for a week!

Steve A| 3.11.11 @ 1:23PM

Let's be fair & draw up the battle lines here if said conflict did take place.

In the Red trunks we have: The producers, who are self starters, entrepreneurs, self reliant, conservative, traditional family value, gun toting, majority of volunteer military.

In the blue trunks we have: Liberal minded, hand out, gravy train, reach in the other guy's pocket, ward of state, do it if it feels good, who are you to judge, I can't make it without da govmint, da man is keepin me down, progressives.

Gee, let me think....I suppose my $$ goes on the Red trunks. Just a wild freakin guess.

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 2:01PM

Not to mention the fact, Steve, that conservatives are notoriously polite and well-mannered, and most of us have real jobs (and I don't mean government thug jobs).

Over the last three generations, we've been too tolerant of our country being broken off piece by piece and fed to the insatiable statist beast.

No, we've been too busy helping to build this country to take part in the tiresome, adolescent, destructive temper tantrums the left engages in with regularity.

And when we do gather, we're unfailingly well behaved - just look at the aftermath of any tea party rally or other conservative gathering - no riots, no wanton vandalism, no trashing of the physical area, no abject, profligate abuse of resources, no smashed windows, no reports of assaults and rapes, no tear gas needed.

And then look at the State House in Madison after the tea-rapists were finished with their threats and intimidation and near-rioting - it was a trashed pig sty with over $7 million worth of damage at the hands of liberals who get off on running amok in the name of "caring."

Hell, look at any G-8 summit or WTO conclave or WEF event - the global Marxist cockroaches destroy everything they can get their nihilistic, dirty, greedy, power-hungry little hands on.

What's the bottom line? There are a whole lot more of us than there are of them - we just haven't decided to take off the gloves and defend ourselves - yet.

Once we do, those scruffy-bearded, pasty, trans-gender worshipping, dissipated, bitter, perpetual ward-of-the-state, chaos-loving types clinging to their dog-eared copies of Das Kapital will soon realize what a gigantic can of whoop-ass they've opened.

Steve A| 3.11.11 @ 2:30PM

Gmz, Always a pleasure. Once again. I find myself in agreement. We are generally kinda busy making the gravy for the gravy train. It's kinda like Rambo. He pretty much wants to be left alone, just don't piss him off.

The liberals & faux conservatives are like the bad kid you sent to college with the credit card. Sure, we will sponsor you, sure, we are sympathetic. However, there does come a point when the report card is D D D F Inc. & the credit card balance is 28K that we pull the plug on your ass, take back the CC & welcome you back to reality.

vtwin| 3.11.11 @ 4:47PM

“$7 million worth of damage”I think the word is gullible.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/s.....09458.html

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 5:27PM

I think the word is greed, RAPIST.

YOUR GREED. Pay me.

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 5:32PM

Besides, whatever the current estimate, it's still vandalism.

And we all know the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal is a tea-rapist supported paper.

So how reliable can it be? And, since it'll be government workers doing the cleanup, my guess is it'll be well into the millions by the time greedy pigs like you get at the trough.

Maddox| 3.12.11 @ 8:45AM

Well said, sir, thank you. You are a patriot and it is time for patriots to stand our ground.

Marxfreesociety| 3.11.11 @ 8:08PM

Disgusting creep sitting in the dark in his underware - piss and shart stained is how I envision this thing called Grzmlyk!

Grzmlyk| 3.12.11 @ 8:22AM

Hey Groucho: Someone who can't spell "underwear" really oughtn't be posting on any site.

Anthony| 3.11.11 @ 2:08PM

Ooooh looks like vtwin's in a bit of a snit today. I guess his heros from Obozo on down to the union thugs are not having a good day either.
What's the matter vtwin, are all the lies you've been fed and regurgitated by you coming home to roost?
How does it feel having been made a fool by those you admired? Yep, your emperor has no clothes.
I know what has vtwin in a foul mood, his minimum wage job can't put enough gas in his San Fran hog of a bike @5.00 a gal, and proper tire inflation, which his hero Obozo promised as the cure to our oil shortage, just ain't cutting it, is that it vtwin?
Oh well, blame those tea baggers (how civil of you; what happened to civility after Arizona?) Hey, these always Obozo's standard refrain; BLAME BUSH.

junkyard infidel| 3.11.11 @ 3:26PM

ah ha ha ha ...vtwit, another poster troll of ignorance and irrelevance pretends to be in a gang of moped riding blacks and hispanics ! now that's a hoot !

mames| 3.11.11 @ 12:20PM

I see, for you the end justifies the means. A true Alinskite. Cheap tricks, dirty talk and no ethics.

Doctor Right| 3.11.11 @ 1:34PM

That's because you're probably not paying that much.

Funny how those of us whose pockets are being picked on a routine basis by stooges like vtwin are told that we're "bitching"...

...Meanwhile, selfish, parasitical members of the Looter-Class, who make their money off of the taxes of others, are threatening people with violence if they don't get their freebies.

Here's a clue for the clueless: Union "labor" and excessive wage and salary demands are the BIGGEST reason that corporations move operations overseas.

Unions are the greedy ones. Time to pay your fair share, l'il Libby Boy.

vtwin| 3.11.11 @ 2:03PM

Well, you’re wrong again Doc. My wife and I paid more in federal income taxes alone last year than the median American earned in income. And, neither one of us is employed by the government nor is a members of a union. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t enjoy paying taxes, I agree the government spends to much, I’m just not will to dismantle our country so the uber-rich can get another round of tax cuts.

Teaghan| 3.11.11 @ 2:25PM

How about so you and your wife could get another round of tax cuts?

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 3:15PM

PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE, LIAR.

missbosslady| 3.11.11 @ 5:21PM

vtwin,

You state that you paid more in taxes last year than the median income of the average American. So, that makes you a millionaire, or more likely a complete and total liar. I don't think there is a person here that believes a single word that you say.

You writing style is indicative of a twenty-something, know-nothing loser. I'm gonna say, based solely on your writing, that you lack any serious talents, and certainly none that would earn you enough money to pay the kind of taxes you claim.

Here's a hint, you know you're losing the argument when you have to fabricate a life and you feel the need to use the word faggot.

It is more than obvious that you are a mere child, which means you lack a considerable amount of life experienece, these factors will be to your detriment.

You best strap yourself in youngster, it's going to be a bumpy flight.

FTM| 3.11.11 @ 6:46PM

Fire for effect BossLady.

Mitch Angoop| 3.13.11 @ 5:12PM

VTWIN (The Liar)
The most frequently quoted median family income is $46,700; depending on the source. To pay that much in income taxes, you two would have to be making more than $214,000. You are either a liar or a complete fool. I suspect you're both, unless, that is, you are a union school teacher who slithered out of your classroom to go protest in Madison. If that is the case; you're much worse than a liar or a fool. You are the worst example of what should be removed from any contact with our children. You have no idea how much you; and the rest of you union scum are despised by the vast majority of Americans.

You remind me of one of the single stupidest women in American history. In 1972, she was totally surprised that Richard Nixon won the election. She thought it would be impossible because "...everybody she knew voted for McGovern." That's how libs/dems think. Your heroes, the cowards from the senate, are all too typical of how you think: Anything to get your way; except when you're confronted. Then you flop down on the floor and kick and scream untill you get your way. Your time has passed, thankfully. Crawl back into your feces lined hole.

NegroX| 3.13.11 @ 6:19PM

Vtroll,
How about getting your lies straight, a couple of days ago your were just a 'normal american', today you pay more taxes than anyone else. You can't even stick to script troll. Just post what your controllers tell you to and don't attempt to pretend that you are intelligent.

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 3:07PM

And of course union greed, extortion, featherbedding, idiotic work rules and divisions of labor have nothing to do with the job flight overseas. NOOOOOO, unions are morally as white as the wind driven snow. The destruction of the American steel and auto industries is a two way street friend. The union system only "works" in an enclosed system where the consumers are a captive market. The unions can extort their benefits only when the companies which went along to get along to their short sightness, can pass the costs of labor onto a captive consumer class that can't really go anywhere else and has few choices elsewhere. When competition entered into the scene the whole thing collapsed. The companies and unions cut their own throats. Any company not now unionized is not going to put their future into the hands of union thugs. They move to a state that has right to work or they move overseas. But corporate greed is really a nice tidy way of covering union greed, oh, sorry, unions are entitled to their cut. I forgot, Corporations have no right to their profits, they exist only to provide lifetime jobs and benefits for union members.

Sue| 3.11.11 @ 6:30PM

It was the Democrats who sold our jobs to the foreigners. The political class is responsible for trade agreements and therefore, entire industries were liquidated and sent overseas. The garment industry, gone; the steel industry, going; television production, gone; and on and on and on. The corporate tax rate for American companies is the highest in the world and people with money to invest go where they'll get the best return on their money. It's not been America for the past 25 years. If you find yourself out of a job, just follow the money. It will be in the back pocket of a politician more likely than not; and not a capitalist.

denise| 3.11.11 @ 7:56PM

You mean like Clinton's, NAFTA? It's union's driving jobs off shores and the Democrats they elect,who only know how to tax our larger Corporations out of the country. Even GM has many of their parts made in Mexico and Canada.

Dave Williams| 3.11.11 @ 11:12AM

So, you proudly admit to sucking off the public tit? How typically liberal...

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 11:33AM

Gosh, what a good little twit you are.

And how about the GOP protecting "theirs" and their way of life? In the face of death threats? What's that I hear???? Crickets?

By the way, if you're a liberal, moron, nothing is "YOURS." It's all OURS. There is no private property. Reread yoour Marx. It all belongs to the state, you thieving parasite, and the state then doles it out to various favored groups.

Now give me my money, asshole.

Mitch Angoop| 3.11.11 @ 9:20PM

GRZMLYK;
I have read so many of your posts that have shown insight and experience. Don't let these mental midgets get you upset. They're not worth it. Morons like vtwin and his partners in crime are infuriated because their inadequacies are out there for all to see; and their cherished little pseudo-intellectual world has been proven sham. These a$$holes show who they are by how they communicate, even before a bit of supposed 'content' is revealed.

Obozo is a lying fraud, and, while he sits smug in the People's House, he doesn't even realize that he's been unmasked, along with his mentally inferior followers. And they can't stand it! They are naked in front of the world and all their treasonous fantasies are going up in smoke. As "Liar-in Chief" famously smirked after his election: "Elections have consequences." The dems are trying to undo the people's stinging rejection and they really don't understand why America is learning to hate them and every terrible lie they stand for. And, worst of all, they still think nobody knows what they are!

Grzmlyk| 3.12.11 @ 8:27AM

Hi Mitch:

Just picking over the rubble here.

Well, thanks for the concern. What I was doing was trolling the troll. They love to toss "tea bagger" at us, and all of these other epithets and accusations that are devoid of logic, and I just wanted to "give back" to Vtwit.

Besides, it makes no sense for conservatives to reside in our coccoons of reason and civility and, as I say somewhere here, fight using Marquis of Queensbury rules when these vandals know no rules except to win.

I'm disgusted by the feckless performance of our congress so far - I mean, really, the GOP proposes to cut something like 0.6 percent of the budget and that's the extent of the seriousness we get in these dire times?

I'm also thoroughly unimpressed by the jockying for position that's happening among the weak and timid field of potential GOP candidates.

As Obama says, they bring a gun to a knife fight. And what do we bring? A friggin' butter knife.

The time for civility is over - it is time to fight these crooks by ANY MEANS NECESSARY. They are doing no less.

missbosslady| 3.12.11 @ 9:54AM

Grzmlyk,

You speak only the truth my friend! These are my feelings exactly. The adage says that you fight fire with fire, not with niceties.

I'm done soft shoeing with these classless, clueless looters. No pity for the ignorant, let them learn their lessons the hard way from now on.

Lefties have pushed too hard and have over played their hand. The smack down is upon them and I'm only too happy to be on the front line.

Bob Knutson| 3.14.11 @ 2:02AM

I don't get to read or post here too often but thought I'd pass along a couple of thoughts. If these thugs want to get serious about using violence to get thneir way, they should consider 1) There are many more of us than them. 2) Most of us are armed and they are not.
III

Teaghan| 3.11.11 @ 11:41AM

These union members in WI are trashy, rude and loudmouthed human beings who destroy property, threaten sitting senators and congressmen and women and in general, act like heathens. Something the Tea Party folks have never stoop to. They are proving themselves to be either vile greedy people or they are easily dooped into being used by their union bosses and the community orgainzer in the White House whose main ideal are money and power.
Take your pick.

idalily| 3.11.11 @ 2:26PM

And all because they were asked to pay part of their own health insurance and pension. Can you imagine what we're in for when the federal budget cuts must be made? Holy crap. There will, I fear, be many more riots as the addicts are deprived of their entitlement drugs. Batten down the hatches, folks.

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 2:44PM

You are right on the money, Idalily - heaven forbid the fat cats in the cart get out of the cart and help push for a few minutes.

Cart? What the hell am I talking about? As union members, they have a divine right to ensconce themselves in litters of pure gold and feast on government freebies ad they are borne aloft on the shoulders of taxpayers who scramble for the crumbs these crooks drop.

And, according to the tea-rapists, god help the litter-bearering tax payers if they stumble on the cobblestones of hard times as they strain to keep the union employees above it all on their perch.

It is time for Atlas to shrug.

denise| 3.11.11 @ 7:58PM

SEIU is all over the world. It's a cancer.

FTM| 3.11.11 @ 6:37PM

OK Vtwin,

Here's a name for you, "Criminal." Yours and your way of life is fine as long as it can be taken by force from the people that earned the wealth. You're nothing but a common thug.

beebop| 3.11.11 @ 7:04PM

or isn’t acceptable to liberals ...

As someone who isn't a liberal, I don't give a good rat's ass what is acceptable to you. Get that? This is America. Votes matter. Don't like it? Venezuela may be more suitable for you and yours.

Mark James| 3.12.11 @ 2:58PM

The only thin you are "protecting" is a giant central government. Answer this... why is it evil for companies to have a monopoly, but it's OK for Union thugs to have one? Centralized power is corrupt whether it is in the hands of government, companies OR UNIONS!!!!

Jimbeaux| 3.13.11 @ 1:00PM

So said Hitler. Interesting how often this response fits like a glove with liberals and what they say.

Fredrick Ward| 3.13.11 @ 10:10PM

You know, vtwin, there are several countries available for you and your family to move to that already embrace socialism, communism, and oppression as their means of politics. Feel free to move to any one of them.

Dennis| 3.14.11 @ 2:19PM

Typical lib...it's all about ME!!!! and what I WANT!!!! Never giving a rats @@s about what is good for the country or the state. Those days are DONE!

George True| 3.11.11 @ 10:39AM

Why are you using a sexual perjorative in describing people who are in favor of lower taxes and smaller government?

And by the way, those "courageous" Wisconsin Democrat state senators are trying to thwart the will of the majority of the people, and they are trying to subvert (overturn) the rule of law.

vtwin| 3.11.11 @ 11:18AM

“Lower taxes and smaller government.” What are you all, fuckin’ parrots?
We lowered taxes and 2001 and 2003 and the results? Red ink at both the federal and state level. “Cut taxes creates jobs,” well where are the jobs the taxes rates are still at 2003 levels?

Ned| 3.11.11 @ 11:35AM

I'll be the one to say it, once more, and slowly:

"Lowering taxes does not cause deficits. Spending more than you take in causes deficits."

(expletives deleted)

vtwin| 3.11.11 @ 11:47AM

Keep parroting fool. But the truth is not a single Republican President has presided over a balanced buget for the last fifty years. Reagan tripled the nation deficit and Bush Double it again.

Teaghan| 3.11.11 @ 11:53AM

And that b*st*rd in the White House today is about to destroy us.

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 12:04PM

So if you don't like what Reagain or Bush did to the economy, you must really hate what Obama's doing to it, right?

What's that? Silence?

Teaghan| 3.11.11 @ 12:25PM

crickets.............

Wayne | 3.11.11 @ 12:19PM

Once again the Left results to personal insults. Ever wonder why you are hated?

Sid Vicious| 3.11.11 @ 1:41PM

... and The Incredible Shrinking "President" has quadrupled Bush's deficits. That One spent $223 billion out of an empty pocket in February ALONE – $73 billion more than Bush spent during ALL of 2007. Can you say, "biggest monthly deficit EVER," moron?

It's long past time for you socialists to clean the filth out of your own home before bitching so loudly about the crabgrass in the neighbor's lawn...

RN in Houston| 3.13.11 @ 3:14PM

Let's set the record straight. Clinton balanced the budget because a GOP congress made him. It would never have happened with a Dem congress.

RN in Houston| 3.13.11 @ 5:34PM

Since 1940, the federal budget has been balanced under two Democrat presidents (Truman, 1947-49 and Clinton 1998 - 2000) and under three GOP presidents (Eisenhower, 1656-7 & 1960; Nixon - 1969; and Bush - 2001). As I said before, the only reason that the budget was balanced under Clinton was because a GOP congress forced him. Under Truman, the budget was cut sharply after WW2 and tax revenue soared because of the private sector. Get your facts straight next time Vitwin.

Bob Knutson| 3.14.11 @ 2:07AM

Check your sources, please. The vaunted "Balanced budget" posted by Clinton was the work of the Republican controlled Congress.

mames| 3.11.11 @ 12:23PM

Let's not waste our ink on this guy, he is having a intellectual vapor lock.

JmsA| 3.11.11 @ 12:10PM

Your ignorance abounds, nitwit (vtwin).

vtwin| 3.11.11 @ 12:20PM

What no Social Security stupidly today?

Teaghan| 3.11.11 @ 12:29PM

stupidly? Isn't that the word our lofty brilliant deepthinking educated smarterthanus haaavaaad learned prez who never wrote a thing for the Law Review, used when verbally spanking a law enforcement officer who was doing his job?
Love that word.

JmsA| 3.11.11 @ 3:39PM

Stupidly? As far as I know, the only stupidity lies with you, and possibly to a certain extent by my feeding your trolling by resp0nding to it. Let's see: You wrote that statistics play a role in political polling, not in actuarial Social Security and Medicare government projections. These projections, if I also recall correctly, you referred to as "business statements," though the sites you cited in an attempt to make the case for said programs' solvency were titled "Actuarial Publications." Now, that's not only ignorance, but actual stupidity. Furthermore, in case you haven't figured it out, taxpayers are the ones funding the inflated salaries and pensions of government sector employee's, resulting in campaign funding for the democrat party. I don't mind someone making a decent living, but as many millions of other Americans, I don't want to subsidize your party's political campaigns, nor condone unions paralyzing state governments and municipalities, etc., with thuggish tactics.

I suspect you're likely to be also unaware that two-thirds of 8th graders in Wisconsin public schools read below proficiency levels. That's an inconvenient truth, by the way. I guess your teaching heroes over there haven't been doing too good of a job teaching those same kids, in whose name they continue to obstruct democracy. On the other hand, simple logic dictates that if those kids cannot read proficiently in the 8th grade, they may not have been taught very well during their previous seven years of schooling, doesn't it? Either that, or maybe there are many young vitwin-like nitwits in Wisconsin, though I seriously doubt it, given the fact that the majority voted for the Republicans in the last cycle. Now, just in case you trot out the usual meme about political polling regarding the goings on in Wisconsin, including Governor Walker's current low polling, such results can and are often manipulated by oversampling or by the manner in which the poll questions are framed, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't know that either. After all, you're the same genius, who like Nancy Pelosi, etc., etc., predicted the demos would retain the House. See? That was easy. I could go on and on, but what's the point? After all, though I fully understand that, as Will Rogers once posited, everyone, including myself is ignorant about something, you have and continue to very pointedly demonstrate your boundless ignorance.

In concluding, I would like to remind you: Statistics are integral to actuarial projections. Let me know if you need any further help. It's been a while since I my last studied (Psychometric Psychology 105), but I'm quite sure that a bit of it, no doubt much more than you know , will come back to me. All the best.

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 3:49PM

Assoles like the tea rapist Vitwin can bloody well pay all of these bloated government union salaries out of their own pockets.

Vitwin says he pays more in taxes than some make in a year - that is UNFAIR!!! I work as hard as Vitwin - probably harder. It isn't fair that he makes more than me.

I WANT MY MONEY AND I WANT IT NOW. Close your mouth and open your wallet, tea rapist!

vtwin| 3.11.11 @ 4:20PM

JmsA, I have wto simple questions.If the Social Security and Medicare trust funds are at present running surpluses how can either be responsible for the present $12 trillion nation deficit?And, if we cut either Security or Medicare future spending to address this $12 trillion nation deficit are we not in effect retroactively raising taxes on the workers who paid into these funds?

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 4:28PM

Stop raping, vtwin, and start paying your fair share.

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 5:41PM

Social security running a surplus?????

Talk about gullible. That "lock box" is filled with IOUs.

http://mises.org/daily/4528

Mark James| 3.12.11 @ 3:19PM

Hay vtwin moron. There is no such thing as a government "trust fund". That is why Social Security was broke form the beginning. There is no money "put aside" there is no fund. Gads don't you know anything?

Doctor Right| 3.11.11 @ 1:36PM

Why don't you explain, with all of your vast knowledge, how lowering taxes creates "red ink"?

GavInTucson| 3.11.11 @ 2:05PM

Right after he "explains" it, show him how revenues to the government actually increased following the 2003 tax cuts. Show him how government revenues dramatically increased following the JFK and Reagan tax cuts.

See if he can understand the correlation (that my ten year old understands).

vtwin| 3.11.11 @ 4:02PM

How do you explain the tripling of the national debt during the Reagan years if Reagan’s tax cuts weren’t responsible?
Because, the Democratic s controlled Congress?
Ok, how do you explain Clinton’s balanced budgets?
Because, the Republicans controlled Congress?
Ok then, how do you explain a further doubling of the national debt during the Bush Jr years when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress if Bush’s tax cuts weren’t responsible?

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 4:08PM

Shut up and pay your fair share, rapist.

I work as hard as you do, but you make more money than I do.

Pay me, asshole.

Sue| 3.11.11 @ 6:38PM

Why do you defend any politician? Both parties have sold us down the river. With discretionary spending which is really "vote" buying. How did the Democrats buy your vote? What did you get in return?

Your tax package will have how the tax dollars are spent and will show that it's the "discretionary spending" not the entitlements that have driven up the debt.

The coming storm is the 77 M baby boomers about to retire and the IOUs are coming due and the politicians want to cut "entitlements" instead of discretionary spending (their "pot of gold"). Which do you want them to cut? Your SS/Medicare or cut their "pot of gold" down to size?

It's as simple as that.

Mark James| 3.12.11 @ 3:22PM

The Dems spent it and more you idiot.

FTM| 3.11.11 @ 6:50PM

John Kennedy, D-Mass proposed lowering the federal tax rate to enhance the economy by putting money into provate sector investments rather than into the federal government.

Dumbass.

denise| 3.11.11 @ 8:01PM

The red ink came from the starting the Dept. of Homeland Security. Katrina and 9/11. Considering all of that, Bush get a hellofa job.

Jimbeaux| 3.13.11 @ 1:04PM

Because spending (what liberals do) wasn't lowered. Even so, things were a heck of a lot better than they would have been. Here's a challenge - all the liberals who believe in higher taxes cut a check every pay day for the proportional amount one family would owe for these higher taxes. That is, put your money with your (slovenly) mouth is.

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 10:50AM

Well, first off to filibuster you have to actually be there, huh? People voicing their opinions at town halls meeting is their right, kinda like thats what town hall meetings are for, huh? Courageous? Cowards run with their tales between their legs friend, not those who stay and fight. And as far as the class warfare bilge, bravo, bravo, always comes down to that for you clowns don't it. (insert the pumping fist in the air and the struggle for the people part chants here).

denise| 3.11.11 @ 8:02PM

The people in the town hall meetings also did not overtake the town halls.

LiveFreeOrDie| 3.11.11 @ 11:19AM

Troll Alert! Do NOT feed!

vtwin| 3.11.11 @ 11:34AM

Oh, I don’t want to hear it.
Oh, it’s not what I believe.
Oh, don’t make me think.
Rush, Glen, Hannity, HELP!!!!!!

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 11:42AM

History is going to bury what you beleive, were just going to supply the shovel. Dirt comin' your way boy.
MSNBC,CBS,CNN,NBC,ABC help, help!

vtwin| 3.11.11 @ 11:52AM

History is about to repeat itself. Gov Walker has done what Pres Bush did to the Republican Party.

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 12:02PM

The Republican party was F7cked up long before Bush ever got there. What Walker did is going to spread like wildfire among states that want to save themselves economically. The pioneers always take the arrows. Unions have been statistically dying for years, this was a big push down the hill.

Teaghan| 3.11.11 @ 12:30PM

Hope you're right! Yippeeeee!!!!!!!!!

Anthony| 3.11.11 @ 2:38PM

No vtwin, wrong again.
Gov. Walker has done to the lefty unions what President Reagan did to PATCO.
The people of America are about to do to you leftists what President Reagan did to the Berlin wall.
In other words, you're all going down!!!
All the king's liars and all the king's fools can't put Obozo and his minons back together again!!
As Rev. Jackson is fond of say'n; "It's morning time!!"

JmsA| 3.11.11 @ 3:49PM

No, nitwit, Governor Walker's actually doing the very opposite; you just don't get it.

denise| 3.11.11 @ 8:04PM

there are only 12% of you. We changed the landscape of America for years. We have now changed the collective bargaining rights in 26 states while you bitched in WI

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 12:11PM

Oh, I dont' want to hear it!
Oh, it's not what I believe.
Oh, don't make me thing!
Ariana Huffington, Markos Moulitsas, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Sean Penn, NY Times, NPR, ABC/NBC/CBS, HELP!!!!!!!

vtwin| 3.11.11 @ 12:17PM

"Markos Moulitsas," had to Google that one.

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 2:10PM

Sorry, putz - too many syllables for you.

You probably know him as Dear Leader.

Doctor Right| 3.11.11 @ 1:37PM

Meanwhile, you voted for "Hope and Change"...

What a fool.

Mark Shepler| 3.11.11 @ 11:19AM

And how did all that obstructionism turn out, genius? Did it stop the stimulus? Did it stop his doubling the budget afterward? Did it stop Obamacare? Has it stopped the creeping usurpation of regulatory power grabs?

As for "distrupting" Town Halls only a true goon could say that. Ordinary citizens turn out for town halls, self organized or otherwise, based on what they see and hear in the news. You, by contrast, goosestep in perfect self-interest to the orders of paid masters in league with politicians against those very people to take from them their money, property and liberty. The people the politicians swore to represent and the likes of you to protect and serve. And you call them phony?

You and your ancient, hoary old talk about "destruction of the middle class". You moron, you take from my table. I am the middle class. I run a little business, employ others while providing for my family of eight after first giving to Ceasar. YOU belong to Ceasar. You are but more overhead to me and your claim to the first fruits of my labor whilst you also claim the right to rule is a stench in the nostrils of any decent, true American. You delude yourself that America is with gov't unions because you first delude yourself who it is you work for. YOU WORK FOR US and it is we who must pay you after first deciding the terms of service. For too long you've been permitted to set the terms for yourself, the direct opposite of life for the rest of us, and that time has come to an end.

See, you forget something else, too. This is not the 1920s labor movement. These people are not marching to preserve their very lives endangered by the working conditions capitalists pigs impose on them for a pittance in return. These people are the very flesh, or tumors if you will, of a metastasizing gov't made real. They are the ones who hector, harry and hamper us in a million different ways, who forever call for more pretexts and authority to expand their reach and who impede and obstruct (there's that word again) our desires and efforts to live free and prosper. They ARE the privileged class, now you dolt. And in return for overseeing our lives they demand, DEMAND, lifetime sinecures and to be paid and rewarded in ways far above the norm of those who must generate the wealth while shielded from both the corrective forces of competition the rest of us are subjected to everyday.

And you know what else about these modern times, vtwin? We see it. We hear them. We know these things. It's 2011, not 1925, get it? Everytime they denounce "management", we know they mean, US, their citizen employers. Everytime they walk off the job or refuse to work, we see they mean to break their oaths when it suits them. Every time they threaten "war" or to stop performing critical duties we understand they mean to rule, RULE, not serve. If you think the great mass of your countrymen who must sweat and worry to meet your supp sympathize with these gov't unions, well, good luck with that. The only ones who don't seem to get all this is the deluded brownshirts like you.

As I said to a firefighter on a local news site. Public employees, even the Holy Trinity of teachers, police and firefighters, are very, very close to losing a century of good will, honor and respect for a mess of pottage. The balance WILL be restored or strife will result from YOUR intransigence and the only question that remains is will contempt for you and yours also be your lot. The choice is yours.

Teaghan| 3.11.11 @ 12:00PM

Marvelous post Mark. Thank you. Do you think he got it? Nahhh.......

AHS| 3.11.11 @ 1:29PM

Mark~ That was absolutely amazing! Dude you ROCK!!! I don't know what else to say but Kudos Patriot!!!

Deborah D | 3.11.11 @ 4:52PM

Thank you for your brilliance, Mark! I notice he hasn't replied to you because he can't. Bless you, sir. We Americans must stick together because they are trying to drag us down. I'm just about ready to march on D.C. and tell them to stop stealing money out of our paychecks because we don't want to support these wackos who only want more, more, more, more, more.... It's gotta stop now!

denise| 3.11.11 @ 8:10PM

Brilliant, Mark, well said. He didn't get it, the thoughts are to deep.

Wayne | 3.11.11 @ 12:17PM

You realize that tea-bagger is a homophobic slur and shows your ignorance.

vtwin| 3.11.11 @ 2:06PM

Yes, I know what the term means and I use it to show my contempt for the movement.

idalily| 3.11.11 @ 2:31PM

No, you use insults and name calling because you have no logical arguments to offer. If you had them, you would use them. Instead you deflect, insult and blame. IOW, you are a typical lib. Your position is indefensible, so you do not try to defend it. Insults are all you have.

FTM| 3.11.11 @ 7:06PM

What Idalily said.

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 3:29PM

And you are a tea rapist.

junkyard infidel| 3.11.11 @ 3:40PM

vtwit absolutely knows all about teabagging ! as a proud member of the liberal/progressive/democrat party of fisting, teabagging is foreplay ! just ask barry and his "fisting czar" kevin jennings !

denise| 3.11.11 @ 8:12PM

Now, now. Don't bow to his level.

Carol | 3.11.11 @ 12:36PM

One of those wealthy elites being the great big fat one you call one of yours heros - Michael Moron - who could care less if you rot in the gutter.

How did you libtards get so stupid? You have proved to the entire nation you are greedy, selfish, could care less about the "children" and only care about retiring at age 55 so you can live your lavish lifestyle until you die.

Oh, and poor, poor teachers. 3 months off in the summer, 2 weeks off for Christmas (maybe for you I should have written Xmas or Solstice), a week off for Spring break, and numerous other days off because you are so overworked.

Give me a break. You have no sympathy from someone like me who hasn't had a raise in over 4 years, puts a little in a 401k so people like another hero of yours - the communist Tom Hartman - can confiscate it, and pay for my own health insurance.

Grow up you big baby. Go cry with those other whiners of your ilk.

AHS| 3.11.11 @ 1:19PM

vtwin~Give US a break; at least they did not run and hide because they were losing. They stood up for what they thought was right legally!!! I am a TEA Party Patriot and we are not LEAD by Fox News. We can't help it if Fox News is the only News media that will cover our Rallies and the rest of the liberal media try's to ignore us. We did not disrupt congressional town hall meetings. We were PEACEFULLY making our point clear that we are sick and tired of out of control spending and bailouts period! There is not one claim that can be backed up that there was any violence or destruction of property at any of our town hall meeting or rallies caused by A PERSON IN THE TEA PARTY! The Tea Party even cleans up after the Union rallies because of the graffiti, garbage and posters plastered all over the walls! Yes we are right about the "American People waking up" We see that these Democrat WI Senators are traitors to the constituents of WI who voted to clean house and put the Republicans in charge. They cut and run instead of facing their responsibility. They ran because they were losing and knew it. I love that we have the internet now to get the facts as they unfold. To see what a disgrace the behavior of these democrats and the union thugs really is.
Wealthy elite? Please there are more elite democrats! And as for using that disgusting name for the Tea Party Patriots you are a sick person! Grow up democrats as President Obama would say"You lost I won." Get over yourselves and think about what the constituents want. All the Senators that cut and run should be recalled! Such cowards.

Charles Martel| 3.11.11 @ 1:43PM

The filibuster is not abandonment of one's post; it is fulfilling the duties of one's post. And the Tea Party Patriots were not "disrupting congressional town hall meetings"; they WERE the town.

And now running away is courageous. How predictably Orwellian. The Right has often been accused of tantrums just for the sin of winning elections, but now we know what a tantrum really looks like. Thanks, union thug, and keep up the good "work".

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Mitch Angoop| 3.11.11 @ 2:51PM

You have to be either the single stupidest human being with the ability to use a crayon (or mom's laptop) or you have to be putting us on. If you had a brain, you'd know that the dems manipulated the 2008 election so they had their FILIBUSTER-PROOF 60 seats. But you've never been too good with facts.

Additionally, your dem/lib and union buddies have consistently trashed any place they've ever 'occupied'. But, that's another fact, which you seem to be blissfully unaware of. At least you're amusing in your stupidity...

Anthony| 3.11.11 @ 3:11PM

" Let the recalls begin" whines vtwin. Gee, less than 4 months after Wisconsin voters voted in a R governor and a R legislature, vtwin and his fellow fools think the same people are now going to recall these brave politicians.
Maybe the Nobel Committee will give Peace Prizes to all those brave Ds who fled Wisconsin. Yep, democracy in action, don't like what's happening, run like hell.... vote present, get a prize!!
No vtwin, there isn't going to be any recall, tisk tisk, don't you know by now vtwin, watching too much MSLSD makes you go blind!!! Didn't your mommy tell you that, silly boy?
In fact vtwin, those of us who pay these exorbitant public sector salaries & benes are saying, YOU GO BABY, DO MORE!!!
Ya see vtwin, the world is not as Obozo and his Marxist pals wish it to be, especially in America. The American left is collapsing like the Berlin Wall. Even the morbidly obese hypocrite extraordinare, Michael Moore, and the sclerotic Jessie Jackson, ain't up for the stuggle.
If it makes you feel better vtwin, we'd like a recall as well. We'd like to recall seeing Obama's birth certificate. How's that for a recall???

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JP| 3.11.11 @ 9:49PM

Funny, the GOP couldn't filibuster until after Feb 2010 when Scott Brown was elected and seated...nice try.

j anderson | 3.12.11 @ 11:34AM

standard lefty/ socialist retort , you'll get no recalls and your fool reps will all be voted out in 2012 , cheers to Walker and his repubs.

Eric Cartman| 3.12.11 @ 12:37PM

VTWIN! Man, I have seen your stupid ass in a while! Thought you fell off your stool drunk at your fave gay bar and wee now being used as a "Sailor Relief" slave aboard a Chinese junk-steamer. Let the recalls begin? More like , let the recalls fail - and they will lol. You and yours pathetic whining in Wisconsin and elsewhere isn't fooling anyone - your a minority (union) and you're gunna lose. Boohoo, Vbag.

Nick| 3.12.11 @ 6:15PM

VTWIN

When you drop to your knees and say your prayers tonight, give thanks for the first amendment, and the great Nation that gives you this forum. Aside from that, educate yourself and reconsider.

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 7:36PM

When you use a slur to discuss your opponents' opinion, it greatly distracts from the integrity of your argument.

Lawrence Cannon| 3.12.11 @ 7:56PM

"teabaggers"? Better than being teabagged!

mgh| 3.13.11 @ 4:55PM

The wealthy elite that you scorn are the taxpayers...you know, the wealthy warehouse workers, the elite carpenters, the middle class destroying computer sales specialists. Those dem senators will not have their jobs after the next election or recall.

Brumby| 3.11.11 @ 12:44PM

Brumby here,
Crikey! What is going on in America!? I was up with my daughter and I switched on the telly to see all the fools screaming and pushing in Wisconsin. We'd a arrested 'em in a second! I have been learning lots about America from my friends here at American Spectator, and it scares the poop outta me! Your country is supposed to be the most powerful country in the world and ya let these thugs beat on coppers and generally go off town! I actually thought it was a good thing that your Mr. Obama got elected. Now I know better, and I'm tellin' all my friends about American Spectator. They are tellin me they never expected things were so bad in the U.S. word is gettin out, specially down here.

I now get your Republicans and Democrats. Your GOPs are like our "Liberals"; and your Democrats are sorta close to our "Labour" party. But our parties NEVER do this kinda crap! They'd get kicked by their own.

I think I told everybody I found the book and I am in it! But, you have to guess which one I am. It is titled "Circumnavigating Oz", and I found the web site with lots of help from you guys.

Thanks 'specially to Ken Texican! By the way, I found it at www.theozcruise.com and it is good. It even has a hundred pictures of MY Country and all the places our ship stopped. Every story he wrote about was funny as a drunken sheila on roller skates hangin on to a wallaby's tail! (I DID see that one night!) I liked the story about the crazy guy who's wife threw a $3,000 camera at him from the eleventh deck of the Dawn Princess! It exploded everywhere when it hit! I also liked the place near Albany where the Japanes went to commit suicide. Give it a go! Thanks for the help Ken!

Cheers!

Charles Martel| 3.11.11 @ 1:49PM

G'day, Brumby. Yes, this latest exercise in "community organizing" has been embarrassing but also edifying. We now know to what extent the Left here will go to force their will on the majority, even after having been routed in an election. And I have to applaud the Wisconsin Republicans for evincing nerves of steel. I only wish the ones we sent to Congress could do as well.

Cheers.

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vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 7:38PM

Many of us knew about Obama before he was elected, but sadly, many, like you, thought it was a positive for the country to elect him. Thing is, they don't have the excuse of not really being in-the-know regarding U.S. politics, as they live here.

Alan Brooks| 3.11.11 @ 3:52PM

I don't pay much attention to this, events such as the Japanese Tsunami are far more interesting (in a negative sense). However it revolts me that Communists are involved, the real Communists- the ones who seriously want to kill people and would if they could. Here's a link to Workers World, a gay Stalinist (yikes) bunch, whose top stories are on Wisconsin:
http://www.workers.org/

Appleby| 3.11.11 @ 6:40AM

And the Union Thugs and Hippie Scum Democrat Senators are saying to themselves, *My wee wee may droop, but by f*** I can still wee wee in your Cheerios!*

My only question is WHEN WILL THEY FINALLY ADMIT THAT THE *)o_&*&^ SIXTIES ARE OVER?

oldfart| 3.11.11 @ 7:26AM

Never - spoiled rotten children make spoiled rotten adults.

Teaghan| 3.11.11 @ 12:32PM

Admitt they are over Appleby? They don't even KNOW they are over!

Charles Martel| 3.11.11 @ 1:52PM

Someday, after enough of them have dropped dead that they can't even muster the numbers needed to earn television coverage. Oh wait, it takes only one to get that (viz. Cindy Sheehan), so we might have to wait for after the funeral of the scumbag hippie Left's "Frank Buckles".

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Anthony| 3.11.11 @ 3:33PM

Appleby, Haven't you heard, Depends has just put out a new brand of diapers with the peace symbol on the butt end.
The '60s will finally be over when the Woodstock generation drops its last load.

Doh| 3.11.11 @ 6:42AM

What do you expect?

democrats love democracy until the vote doesn't go their way.

da monk| 3.11.11 @ 9:56AM

And vis-a-versa.

Doctor Right| 3.11.11 @ 11:07AM

It's "vice-versa", genius. Government stooge?

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 7:39PM

Well, he did have a problem spelling "the."

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 7:39PM

Well, he did have a problem spelling "the."

Kenny| 3.11.11 @ 6:44AM

The last time the left threw a temper tantrum like this was in Chicago at the Democrat Nation Convention in 1968. And what was the result? A massive Republic victory that November.

Habu| 3.11.11 @ 7:19AM

I agree Kenny with a caveat. I hate the goons but if the Republicans hold all the cards after 2012 then the worst of this economic problems will be blamed on them and we haven't even begun to see how bad things are going to get.
If there was any economic model that could show a short path back to prosperity then it would be OK but the hole (obama+Dems+Fed+Wall Street) dug for us is of such great depth there is no way to get out of it for well over a decade, perhaps longer. It's really a lose lose situation of the normal American.
By now all those trillions that went into the pockets of the already super rich has been placed in the Caymans etc. We're screwed.
As for the thugs...as a former Marine and CIA operative I say "bring it"...then we can really resolve the commuist inspired unions situation. Somehow they beleive they're the only ones who know how to intimidate and use force .... they need to rethink that approach.

Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 3.11.11 @ 8:40AM

Habu: I just finished up PT this morning a few minutes ago, and my Platoon Sergeant added a new exercise to our to our routine today, it's called the "choke out a Union Goon" (it's a four count exercise by the way). Normally, I complain about every new exercise he introduces to us (I like to complain you see), but I like this one, and I can't wait to use it for real. Let these Union thugs get too far out of hand, and then the Military might just be unleashed on them, and then they'll find out just how tough they really are (they're not tough, they're fat and lazy, and couldn't run a 1/4 mile if their lives depended on it). The polls that are coming out, saying that People are supporting these Tax-Stealing thugs, are dead wrong, there's no way in hell, that 88% of the Taxpaying Workers in America, want to continue to give more money, and more benefits to this lazy 12% of the workforce, so that they can retire at 50% pay when they're only in their forties. The Unions are losing this Battle, and it's about time we cut them down to size. Winning!!

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 9:19AM

Tell Sarge that he can add another exercise to the list. We'll call it the "physically restraining Michael Moore from getting to the slab of ribs" exercise. Good training for a one on one defensive movement against a mass of moving flesh heading in a single direction with single minded purpose.
Each guy in the squad gets to be Mikey and then each guy gets to bring him down and restrain him before he gets his lips on the ribs. The winner is the one who stops and neutralizes Mikey the farthest from the ribs

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 3.11.11 @ 9:28AM

LMAO

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 3.11.11 @ 9:28AM

MAN DOWN!!

Ned| 3.11.11 @ 11:40AM

Would Mikey Moore eating pork ribs be considered cannibalism?

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 12:30PM

LOL, good point. Same genetics.

Mitch Angoop| 3.11.11 @ 12:48PM

I don't think so. The only way I KNOW he'd be committing cannibalism would be if he would if he ate a huge, steaming pile of pig SH*T! That would be cannibalism; and an insult to fecal matter of all sorts.

Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 3.11.11 @ 1:05PM

I'll jump out of a perfectly good airplane, I'll convoy down the streets of Iraq, but there is no way in hell, that I'm getting between a 300lb slob and free ribs, "THAT" is really dangerous. There's Duty, and then there's having a death-wish, and you've got to know the difference between the two. Now the way I'd handle your scenario is, I'd let Mike get to the ribs, start eating them, and then I'd run him over with my Humvee. My way's not much of an exercise, granted, but I like not being crushed, and trampled to death by a big fat, loudmouth, bad movie making Liberal, douche-bag, Commie!!

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 3.11.11 @ 9:27AM

I agree, they look like a bunch of loud-mouth wimps to me!

Ya know the Union thug skinhead that mugged that tea-partier in Wisconsin? Put me in that situation and he won't be making the front page of the paper, it'll be more like the obituaries.

But come on, really? Has anyone ever really thought these lazy hippies could fight? lol

AHS| 3.11.11 @ 1:38PM

Lullabys~ Love it and can hardly wait to see your training in action. Thank you for your service!

BackToBasics| 3.12.11 @ 1:00PM

And without daddy or mommy government or the boss at work to turn to if you put your choke hold on them, the liberals or union thugs would say in a shrill voice, "Hey there, stop that!"

And these types are what Rep John Boehner and others like him are afraid to really confront. He's still trying to win these types with compassionate "conservative" crying.

wodiej| 3.11.11 @ 8:48AM

Wow, if you really feel we're screwed and it's too late to save us, then why are you hear complaining and bringing down the rest of us who are up for the fight?

Habu| 3.11.11 @ 11:00AM

wodiej
You're certainly entitled to feel totally unscrewed by the 13+ trillion the Fed distributed to mostlt Wall Street. Of course in the process of feeling unscrewed remember that inflation is going to eat you alive within a matter of a very few years.

Also if my comments were enough to bring you "down" from a fighting mindset then you weren't ready to walk the walk anyway.

Sounds like " YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"

And where did I say it was too late? .....Thomas Jefferson & Patrick Henry would have been whooping up a new revolution and I'd be right with them.

blackwatch| 3.12.11 @ 5:52PM

all we have to do to stabilize this diasaster is remove Obama from power and return to a level of govt spending that is slightly less than our tax revenue. then cut the corporate tax rated to 15%. then get the hell out the way of our resurgent economy.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 3.11.11 @ 9:23AM

Ok, Negative Nancy, here's your fix to the economy and our govt all wrapped up in one.

There are solutions to SS and Medicare. The best ones ultimately end it.

My solution is to strip constitution of ALL amendments. Replace some verbiage to ensure civil rights, but no welfare.

This will also eliminate govt agencies that tax and regulate business. The same agencies that chase business out of the country.

With a press of the reset button, we could unleash the market forces in this country. i think we would see a return of American Steel, textiles, and manufacturing. The elimination of PPACA and the Dept of HHS, along with the elimination of payroll deductions would free up the healthcare sector and the employee benefits sector.

All we have to do is get government out of the way. The only reason there is a "global recession" is bc there is an "american" recession.

We're a few good repeals away from the largest economic boom in world history if we can make it happen.

da monk| 3.11.11 @ 10:07AM

Phil: Have you ever read the Constitution? I doubt it. Phil, are you collecting Social Security or are your parents? I betcha either you or they are. Phil are your parents old enough for Medi-Care? If so ask them if they want to lose their Medi-care. Phil if you don't pay taxes, how do you pay for your police department, your fire department, your Armed Forces etc. Phil I think you're an anarchist.

Vic| 3.11.11 @ 10:45AM

Your defense of these idiocies leads one to believe you are a communist.

missbosslady| 3.11.11 @ 5:39PM

da monk,

I'll fill in for Phil and answer your stupid questions.

No, my parents aren't collecting Social Security or using Medicare, they're both dead. In fact, both died before they were old enough to receive a single penny. Me, I'm not old enough yet to be eligible for either one, nor do I ever expect to see a dime of what I've paid into SS and I can pay my own medical bills and carry my own insurance, so don't need nor want Medicare.

You see monk, I'm one of those people that don't want anything form anyone and in that vien I have spent my adult working life preparing to provide for my own future.

As for your stupid tax rant, you do realize that federal income taxes don't pay for local police and fire departments, right? As for paying my share for the armed forces, NO PROBLEM, just leave me out of the payment plan that includes doling out money to losers who won't take care of themselves.

FTM| 3.12.11 @ 1:57AM

Write on Boss Lady. (And I meant to use "write" instead of "right.")

You looking to hire a knuckle dragger?

missbosslady| 3.12.11 @ 9:59AM

FTM,

Truth be told I've always been a bit turned on by raw knuckles.

FTM| 3.12.11 @ 2:48PM

It's what I do. Monobrow, stoop-shouldered, slack-jawed, baggy-eyed, mouth-breathing, no-forehead, wrench-turning, production support engineer.

missbosslady| 3.12.11 @ 3:48PM

FTM,

You keep doing what you do brother!

There are plenty of us who still appreciate a man being a man.

FTM=Full Time Man?

FTM| 3.13.11 @ 7:12AM

Something like that, .

Grzmlyk| 3.11.11 @ 5:56PM

Da Monk are you as stupid as you write? Da monk are you on the government dole? Da monk to you know what the Constitution is?

If all we had to pay for was what was laid out in the Constitution, we'd be a wealthy country today - not a broke one.

But why let facts get in the way of a good liberal fantasy?

What you morons don't get is that eventually we run out of money (even if we keep printing it at a breakneck pace). If you have $500 to your name, and you spend $500 on your rent, food and transportation for the month, you are BROKE.

If your daughter comes to you with big, teary eyes and says, "Gee, dad, you're really mean for not buying me that dress I want. I need that dress! It's not that expensive, just buy it for me!"

Somehow you have to explain to her that, as much as you'd like to get her that dress, you simply don't have any more money.

On second thought, I'm guessing you'd be the type of genius with the bright idea of just going to the nearest copy machine and making 40 or 50 copies of your last $20 bill. Wow! an extra $1,000 bucks free money! Problem solved, eh Da Monk? My, you are clever.

Or, more realistically, you've "invested" in a gun and would go to the nearest random guy who looks well heeled and take his cash at gunpoint, right Da Monk? That's what I'm talkin' about - time for Da Monk to get PAAAAAID.

Da monk, don't you have some non-union people to go rough up?

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 7:44PM

Woh, repeal all the amendments? It could take awhile to list all the damage that would do, but I'll start with number one: No freedom of speech means no more blog posts.

FTM| 3.11.11 @ 7:18PM

What you say is true however, how much of the socialist infrastructure can be systematically destroyed, dismantled, defunded, abolished in four years? If the republicans are serious they have the opportunity to wipe liberal institutions from the American scene. All that is required is the reproductive fortitude to do the job.

Doctor Right| 3.11.11 @ 11:09AM

The differenc ebetween today and 1968 is that in '68, the union rank-and-file was out there on the streets of Chicago busting hippy/commie skulls.

Fast-forward to today. The hippy/commies have taken over the Democrat Party, and seized control of the unions. The rank-and-file have been co-opted by greed. They stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the very same anti-American socialists.

Weird, huh?

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 11:19AM

Problem was they were always on the same side and took them 50 years to get it through their thick skulls. Slow learners, the left. But then again they have it all figured out and learning isn't required anymore.

CAROL | 3.11.11 @ 6:51AM

Appalling that goons are allowed to take over a state capitol and intimidate elected officials.
They couldn't do that at the nation's capitol.
From Rush: "God bless and protect these courageous Republicans who are engaged here. This is, folks -- we live it, but it is -- a great and historic day, and let's hope that it is the first of many similar days yet to come."

Pete| 3.11.11 @ 10:16AM

I think we have to press this angle sooner rather than later. It shouldn't be more than a few days or weeks before Osama tries to shove through some other ridiculous, economy crippling legislation. Then we should organize and attempt to "protest" in exactly the same manner that we are seeing in Wisconsin. I'll just bet things don't go the same way.

Teaghan| 3.11.11 @ 12:06PM

And with the earthquake disaster along with the middle east meltdown, barry will take advantage of us not looking to do more damage to America.

NVA Patriot| 3.11.11 @ 7:13AM

All,

Remember - if you have an elective police force leadership, e.g. like Sheriff as we have in NVA; press the Sheriff and see if he supports jailing the mob. I called the Madison Sheriff (Dane County). He's a thug like the rest of these thugs and HE NEEDS to be recalled for allowing mob rule, criminal behavior, and death threats.

The Dane County Sheriff's web site says he serves teh community with pride - unless you are a Republican - then the mobs can have you with the police tacitly supporting the mob.

Look it up and call the Sheriff and ask him why he's letting mobs rule?

This is why we need the 2nd Amendment & the right to concealed carry ***AND*** self defense laws that make threatening you're fellow citizen a thought provoking exercise...

wodiej| 3.11.11 @ 8:49AM

Yes, I was wondering if the police are on strike in Wisconsin too because they aren't doing anything about this madness.

saleboter| 3.11.11 @ 7:37AM

I'm waiting for the investigation into the actions of the Madison police department. Should be good.

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 7:49PM

Union members or not, it certainly would be siding with the traitors if they police do slide a little further left and decide to hang out with the leftist mob who desteststhem, rather than working with the conservative middle-class that supports them. There might come a day when they'd regret that.

martin j smith| 3.11.11 @ 7:40AM

Gov Walker should have a press conference in which he addresses President Obama and says: Is this behavior of the Union Demonstrators which include death threats the civil discourse you want ? That would be a yes or a no. I give you 48 hours to respond. Thanks you.

Appleby| 3.11.11 @ 11:39AM

He'd get voice mail. The Pez is golfing.

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 7:52AM

Here's another tidbit. The Comrade Chairman in the White House is the reason this whole thing was pushed this hard. All the kings union and leftist thugs were brought to bear. They(and the Comrade Chairman) WANT confrontation and disorder in the streets. This is what revolutionaries do. Out of disorder springs the revolution. This situation was in effect the Fort Sumter of the second civil war. Not a shooting war yet and it may never be but this will end up in the streets as the government dependants, parasites, union goons, and the rest of the leftist government religionists see their funding and control dry up and enter into their death throes. The "if we can't have the system, nobody can" mentality will take hold and they will try to bring all of us down with them. Then we have the "civility" issue. Civility huh? Oh yeah, from our "Limousine Marxist" Michael "Captain Hypocrite" Moore or "Fat Bastard" as he is known in these part of Michigan calling for revolution in the streets. Yeah Mike, when the violence starts you'll be there right in front of the charge(figuratively) while safely ensconced in your Torch Lake HQ. Marxist Squealing Pig. Civility?
OK

alice moore| 3.11.11 @ 8:14AM

Mike D., if what you're saying is true we have madmen in the Democratic Party. They could only be likened to B Movie mad scientists. You know the one who says, "When this happens I shall take over the world! BWAHAHA!" Even, in the worst B Movie there are the unforeseen consequences and our Mad Scientist is the biggest loser.

There is the apocryphal story that Robespierre met the same fate as Marie Antoinette. The Left better keep this in mind when they agitate for "Revolution".

BTW, is Michael Moore(no relation to me) distributing HIS wealth?

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 8:27AM

They aren't madmen, they truly believe in this tripe they call Marxism and Socialism. They truly believe that this is the natural order of things. These are fanatics and they will go down as fanatics always go down, violently.

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 8:52AM

And, and you have a President who is openly waging political war against states in his own country, Arizona and Wisconsin, one of which, Arizona he openly sided against with a foreign country. Hows that for science fiction? Anybody here ever expect to see that in their lifetimes?

Appleby| 3.11.11 @ 11:41AM

I did, actually -- I went to university with it and I knew the brats who didn't die of drug overdoses would be in charge some day. People like that always end up in charge.

Fortunately most of them aren't reproducing.

FTM| 3.12.11 @ 3:15AM

Read "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinski. What you're seeing is in the Alinski script.

MikeD| 3.11.11 @ 8:35AM

Mike,
Once again I open TAS and see you writing my thoughts! Keep it up! Besides, it's way too hard for me to type anymore. Fat pig moore needs to be arrested for inciting a riot; which has multiple clear precedents in every level court of law. He has no business being there at all. He shares nothing in common with those people. All he's doing is filming them so he can make another misleading piece of trash movie pandering to the morons on the left. (Who will be the only ones to see it.)

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 8:47AM

Thanks brother Mike. Moore is the Oxford English Dictionary's definition of the word hypocrite, period. When this goes to the streets as he calls for, believe me, Fat Bastard won't be anywhere near anything that will put his hide in any kind of jeopardy. Add coward to his portfolio at that point.

Conservative View| 3.11.11 @ 1:52PM

I wouldn't worry overly much about Michael Moore. Take a look at two film producers, Michael Moore, and James O'keefe. Moore with a heavy hand, an interesting take on capitalism, and an incredible twisting of facts presents one view. It costs millions to produce his info ad movies.

James O'Keefe makes a film that costs almost nothing to make, dresses his lady friend up as a professional horizontal ununionized female worker and produces his movie.

Now, tell me. Of the two, Moore or O'Keefe, whom do you think has had a greater impact on American politics?, Moore whoes movies have achieved nothing but making him money, or O'Keefes' movies that have Toppled ACORN, slashed the Teachers Unions, and torpeadoed NPR, none of which ever never made him a cent?

Moore is a self premoting jerk who fancies himself to be much more than he is. O'Keefe is a shy young guy out to do some good with a camera. In that difference is the difference between the liberal thought, and the conservative thought. One does good only for himself, in the name of good for others. The second does good for everyone in the name of being good.

Moore is a joke and will go down in history as nothing more. O'keefe may not be remembered in history, but his results will have a positive and long lasting impact upon it.

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 7:52PM

Now that is an awesome summation.

Ned| 3.11.11 @ 11:51AM

All the protests and shreiking in Madison are window dressing, unless you are one of the Useful Idiots rolled out on a union bus to perform the intimidation and screaming. The real agenda is, as Hannity has pointed out, union funding of the Demon-crap party. Without union money, in-kind contributions and free labor, Barry Bullsh*t would still be voting "present" from the back row of the Illinois Senate... and he knows it. So ANYTHING is permissible to protect the tidal wave of cash into Dim campaigns nationwide.

Come to think of it, ol' Barry ain't doing much more than phoning it in now...

And, by the way, when are we going to see revelatory information on the tens of millions of dollars Obozo received from anonymous sources off-shore?

Brian Mc| 3.11.11 @ 7:55AM

So, this is what happens when you try to get people weaned off the government teat. With government controlling the purse strings, what appears on the surface to be compassion for one fails to show that below the surface the one is standing on ten others. This is not compassion; it is surely not generosity. It is evil. "Make those bad rich people pay"; and they refuse to see the evil in this. That is scary. The liberal thought process, "You are evil for having done so well."

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 8:13AM

Its a religion to these people. Always baffled me as to how these political fossils could adhere to a political belief system that killed, tortured, and destroyed 10's of millions of human beings in its implementation in the course off less than 100 years. Born in the minds of Utopianists and intellectuals and used by the bloodiest and most ruthless dictators in history as a road to power and tyranny and these modern day braindead sheeple want to once again bring us down that same road. Pure evil delivered by the same punchlines. Justice, equeality, fairness, workers paradise, yada, yada, yada. Comforting words for the sheeple on their way to yet another slaughter.

Nunya| 3.11.11 @ 10:37AM

Mike, it's a religion like you said. They rationalize the murder and torture by believing that the wrong people were in power then, it will be different this time. There's nothing to it but faith in a terribly misguided and evil belief. Frankly, they believe that the ends justify the means, so whatever needs to happen or whomever needs to be killed to make this happen, well that's the breaks. Like Stalin said--you must break a few eggs to make an omelette, well that's the way they figure it has to be.

Unfortunately, they are deluded into believing that they will somehow be in the leadership of this great movement, when history shows that the true leaders will disband the unions and kill their leadership along with anyone who opposes them. Look at Stalin (Michael Moore's hero) and see what he did... Not a pretty sight.

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 11:02AM

Your right, thats the biggest irony of the whole thing these leftist worshippers adhere to. They ARE the first to go, the unionists, the useful idiots, the intellectuals and the rest of the indoctrinated rabble are the first to the labor camps as the "great consolidation" of power between the most ruthless begans. There can be "only one", ask Leon Trotsky how it worked out for him. Its kind of like the line, better to rule in hell than serve in heaven. Got a newsflash, nobody is ruling in hell but one. Nobody rules in communist systems but one. Thats always the big lie at the end. We'll are be sitting around and rule together, NOT. Human nature is communisms great flaw and thats why it always fails.

Louis Jenkins| 3.11.11 @ 8:05AM

I am not surprised this is the way the Democrats are handling the situation. Look at it like this, if I can't have it, then I'm going to fall on my back and pitch a "ninnie fit". "I want my ninne, I want my ninnie." Enough you mindless idiots, you people can't have any!! You lost the election, now, do as the Conservatives did during their walk in the wilderness. Suck it up. Civil discourse went right out the window when those people lost. We truly understand what those nincompoops are made of.

Mitch Angoop| 3.11.11 @ 8:49AM

The GOP now has a huge vault of images and video to make commercials for 2012; if they have the courage to use them. Not only have the dems and their thug friends revealed their true colors for all to see; but barry has also shown HIS by his absolute refusal to say anything about it and proved his total hypocricy after his lies during the Gifford shootings.

Obama is a criminal who needs to be impeached and removed; and then tried for treason when he's out of office. The fact that this will never happen shows the democrats' true agenda and unamerican agenda.

The GOP must go for the throat and make damned sure they play hardball in this upcoming election cycle. There is no way any democrats can lie this away. They are all thugs and criminals. Any dem who doesn't switch parties is clearly shouting to the whole Country that he agrees with; and advocates, the kind of civil chaos their members have been imposing onto their neighbors who pay for their inflated lifestyle. Get every one of them out on their butts.

wodiej| 3.11.11 @ 8:53AM

The only person who will play hardball with Obama is Gov. Sarah Palin.

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 7:59PM

I second that. She "earned" the wrath of the wrath of the left in the very beginning by having the nerve to criticize barry at a point when everybody else was taking photos of him with halos around his head. Worse, she RIDICULED him (How DARE she?) I think that "kind of like a community organizer, but you have have real responsibilities" remark made their heads explode.

She's been through fire and emerged on the other side. Add West as VP candidate and promise Bolton as Secretary-of-State -- I'd crawl over broken glass to vote for that ticket.

Palin/West 2012. Say it till it's inevitable.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 3.11.11 @ 9:02AM

You're not kidding, Mitch! I'm pretty sure there's enough 10 second clips to make a feature film!

And anybody wanna put some money on Obama being proven to not be born in the U.S. when his records are declassified after leaving office?

Any suckers out there?

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 9:27AM

At this point, him being a citizen or not is not even relevant anymore. We know where his beliefs and political compass lay. Anti-American, Muslim sympathizer, atheist, and tin horn wanna be Stalinist dictator. That should have been enough to get him out of office by impeachment were it normal times and the populace mostly with their heads out of their asses.

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 8:00PM

...and if his skin was a bit lighter.

Doctor Right| 3.11.11 @ 11:11AM

Wait'll he suddenly "converts" to Islam a few years after leaving office...

...And relocates to Qatar.

Mitch Angoop| 3.11.11 @ 12:59PM

Living on his illgotten gains, cash stolen from Americans, bribes from his lefty thugs, union member dues...and, most galling of all; his pension that WE paid for!

Renaissance Nerd | 3.11.11 @ 5:31PM

Naw he'll be in NY as the head of the UN. I'd like it better if he and Clinton would move to the Caymans just before it's revealed they both have a couple of billion in ill-gotten gains in the banks there. I would be so relieved to learn that it really cost billions to bribe a President. Just think how they tarnished the stature of the presidency by being so CHEAP! Faith, a CongressCritter costs more!! It is just so wrong.

You have to hand it to the Fleeing Dems of Wisconsin--they are honest Dems--they stay bought, by heaven!

JFGalt| 3.11.11 @ 8:06AM

Unions were given birth through violence. Isn't it only natural in the course of things that it's death should come in the same fashion.

Habu| 3.11.11 @ 8:08AM

Yeah the thuggish nature of the unions is a problem but a transient one. Behind that problem is the totally lost concept of the citizen/representative who would serve for two or three terms and return to the private sector. Now we have 12 year olds "positioning" themselves to become lifetime legislators and the 96-98% reelection figure bears out that we now have a a well entrenched "ruling" class, bought and paid for by Wall Street.
That wasn't the original intent of our republic.

So the union thugs are quelled and we then are faced with the 535 member oligarchy in Congress.
Lose,lose again.

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 8:20AM

The states will be the battleground for the fight against the Federal tyranny. You will see the day when some key states will draw a line in the sand and dare the federal to cross it. That is already happening in some states even now. The day will come when some Governor of some state will openly defy the Federal Government and its laws and dare the Feds to do something about it. He will surround himself with his states National Guard in his capital and dare the Feds to come and arrest him. That will be the day the Federal overreach retreat begins and state resume their Republic Sovereignty. This day WILL come sooner or later.

Brian Mc| 3.11.11 @ 9:12AM

Neuter the Feds...repeal the sixteenth and seventeenth.

Nunya| 3.11.11 @ 10:39AM

Brian, couldn't agree more. Repeal now!

Habu| 3.11.11 @ 11:07AM

Mike D.
Absolutely. The states are driving already to reassert the 10th Amendment.
And if the President tries to nationalize the Nat . Guard we'll have some mutiny and a civil war/revolution...you think obama has any idea how many guns and ammo are in the hands of the citizenry?
Molon Labe!

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 11:25AM

This will come to pass, not hoping it will, but repeats of history assure it sooner or later.

R Martin| 3.11.11 @ 8:16AM

The violence and intimidation displayed in Wisconsin is in the genetic structure of unions. With the private sector workforce less unionized today than in the past unions have not been so able to use disruptive tactics effectively in that sector. But think back to the days when, for example, AT&T had the phone monopoly. It was always nasty when their union went on strike, with massive asset destruction and even the use of explosives. The steel haulers were another nasty bunch who never struck peacefully and always used violence. So now we have union power pretty much distilled to the public sector, but the genetics haven't really changed. Expect public sector union leadership to continue this game plan and expect their leftist apologists to continue to support them.

Tim the Enchanter| 3.11.11 @ 10:00AM

Also remember the Greyhound bus strike. All the damage that the union caused, and shooting at buses, to boot.

Ned| 3.11.11 @ 11:57AM

Teamsters - wonderful people. The equivalent at ATT is (was?) IBEW, but CWA is nearly as bad on the east coast.

Mark Shepler| 3.11.11 @ 8:17AM

These people really do inhabit an alternative universe. A universe of the ideal formed in the latter part of the 19th century and throughout most of the 20th. Their entire worldview is informed by the problems in that period and so are their Big Ideas for solutions.

To a Lefty, immigration is always a heartwarming tale of Ellis Island, public ed the little Red School house and New York's PS system, economic distress FDR and his New Deal, for the elderly it's indigent oldsters saved by FDR's kindly Social Security, on civil rights it is forever Selma with Bull Connor's dogs and fire hoses and on labor and work it is always blackened coal miners, mill workers and stevedores standing tall for better working conditions and pay. So whenever an issue touches on one of these catagories they instantly whip out their sepia-toned wallet photos and are transported back to that wonderous time when they at least had a point and something constructive to offer. Of course, most of their prescriptions ceased long ago to help and many have made things worse, had disastrous unintended consequences or are now the problem itself.

Take the Madison goons, please. They actually equate and apparently truly believe themselves to be the direct heirs of the grimy men and overworked women of that bygone era who really did suffer mortal danger or indignities we wouldn't dream of today to turn the wheels of our industry. But to maintain this cherished myth they must engage in doublethink. They know they work for us, the public, ostensibly but direct their wrath at some nefarious, off-stage force called "the private sector". It is in the things they say. All the talk about "working people", rights, equality, denunciations of "management" and other ancient tropes of the legitimate labor movements of yore. But with a difference, perhaps a psychic self-defense against the reality they are nothing like those honest workers and that the targets of their wrath their neighbors.

Intuiting these contradictions, they espouse an especially weird construct that seems to hold that the private and public sectors are discreet, separate and never the two shall meet. As though the money and bene's they demand comes from somewhere within the public sector or a third source, an artesian spring perhaps, and rail against the "tax breaks for the rich" and "big corporations" as if not confiscating more money from a private citizen is the same as committing to pay a public worker an exorbitant pension for 40 years. That a tax break, not confiscating money, from their employers is the same constructive act requiring the same real dollars as paying money to them with a concomitant demand for those dollars from that third source. And it is, in a manner of speaking, but what they seem utterly to miss is that the money comes FROM us, not some third-party source on who we and they have competing claims. In short, they have completely forgotten, if they ever knew, that they are not competing with the private sector for income, they work for the private sector who must first generate it from the sweat of their brow before they can pay it to the public.

So they rail against the "private sector" as though it had a competing claim on a communal artesian well of wealth ignorant, perhaps willfully so, of the fact that it is the well. Or more accurately the goose their incessant demand for eggs is helping to kill. I've seen bitter posts by gov't employees decrying how us, the citizenry, nevermind "big corporations", used our money immorally to buy stuff, invest, speculate in real estate and a whole litany of supposed crimes and misdemeanors during the good times and that it's unjust to "take it out" on them now that things have gone south. Again, it's as if the money springs from somewhere and our claims to it coequal, not that we make it, employ them and can set the terms of their service as times demand. Very, very weird.

Mitch Angoop| 3.11.11 @ 9:05AM

Mark,
Great post! May I have your permission to shamelessly copy it and send it on to my own network of other right wing fanatics? (At least that's what the libs I knw call me!) Would you like attribution or should I send it anonymously.

Mark Shepler| 3.11.11 @ 10:25AM

Well, I am flattered. Attribution, please.
Regards.

Nunya| 3.11.11 @ 10:46AM

Awesome post Mark. Very well said. Like Mitch, I plan to distribute this via email, and will certainly give you credit. :-)

John Carnal| 3.11.11 @ 12:18PM

Mark, thank you for this thorough exposition of the symptoms of liberalism. Now for the root cause: cowardice. They are deathly afraid of freedom. They are not energized by freedom. They are cowed by freedom. Their emotional security goes up as their freedom to choose goes down. Cowardliness isn't weird it's quite natural. The cowardly among us must be exposed and shunned if we are to keep our liberty.

Mark Shepler| 3.11.11 @ 12:28PM

No argument here. Regards.

Ned| 3.11.11 @ 12:28PM

That "fixed source" or artesian well of wealth is, in their minds of a fixed size... the whole "slice of pie" argument, but ignoring that the pie can be made larger by restraining the size of government demands, and encouraging freedom

idalily| 3.11.11 @ 2:41PM

Yep. They completely ignore the concept of wealth creation. Their idea: if you have money, you screwed someone out of it to get it. You couldn't possibly have earned it, therefore, you don't deserve to keep it. The only "fair" thing to do is take it from you and give it to someone who has less (one of those you must have screwed somewhere somehow because you're rich.) And so it goes. Their thinking defies all logic and reason and will not change despite all evidence that shows that thinking to be false. Ergo, Progressivism is a cult. Progressives are brainwashed.

BL in AK| 3.11.11 @ 9:27PM

Mark- ditto Mitch and Nunya. My Dad spent time on Ellis Island in 1920s and my uncles were some of those stevadores in SF and San Pedro. My Dad as a union trades-laborer all his life, paid his union dues that covered a portion of his and my Mom's health benefits. After he passed, my Mom was diagnosed with cancer and she chose to try a non-FDA approved medicine. Well the union refused to pay for any of her medical treatment all-together, not just the non-FDA approved medicine. That single action by my Dad's union has provided me with my own view of what union thuggery is that I will remember to my own dying day.

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 8:23AM

Yep, Fat Bastard is distributing his wealth right into his Capitalist portfolio like a good hypocrite.

Redstateboy| 3.11.11 @ 8:25AM

am I the only one who sees the irony in the Leftists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats (same thing) screaming: "Shame! Shame!" ?

It seems "Civility" is only expected of Republicans and Conservatives.

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 8:39AM

These clowns don't hold themselves hostage to any of the rules we hold dear. Lie, cheat, steal, lie some more, muddy the waters, and whatever else is required. The ends justify the means and if that includes using what we hold dear as a potential weapon to be used against us, so be it. To them its Thunderdome, they can't break any rules because they don't adhere to any. Don't ever make the mistake of expecting these lunatics to hold themselves to any kind of civil or moral code. Civil and moral codes are for losers in the great revolution. Win and subjegate at all and any costs, the means to that end are fully justified. That is evil.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 3.11.11 @ 8:57AM

Their totalitarian mindset is shining through.

They don't want to talk. Even if you were to compromise with these people, they won't shut up long enough to let you tell them.

They say they are for "the people", meaning anyone who disagrees must not be for the people. This is the product of a poor educational system that doesn't teach people to think for themselves. All you end up with is zombies.

I believe Lenin's term "useful idiots" applies more than ever.

Mitch Angoop| 3.11.11 @ 9:07AM

The video from Madison shows what kind of people have been teaching these thug morons. 'Nuff said.

WRTolkas| 3.11.11 @ 8:27AM

The yelling, profaning, threatening, rioting lynch mobs scream: they are representing me, they are speaking for me, they are protecting me.

No. They are NOT!

G.S. Patton| 3.11.11 @ 8:39AM

Dear Bolsheviks in Wisconsin; Shall we remember the words of your golden savior, King Barry ? "I won." - January 23, 2009.

Teaghan| 3.11.11 @ 12:35PM

I've been saying this in front of the teevee when ever they show the foaming at the mouth union thugs for 3 weeks now!!!! WE WON!!!!

Mitch Angoop| 3.11.11 @ 2:58PM

Don't forget his smirking statement to congressional republicans: "Elections have consequences."

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 3.11.11 @ 8:53AM

I really wish Republicans and Conservatives would drive the point home that this isn't about "voices" or "rights". This is about Union power, and not allowing employees to choose whether or not they want to join the union. Also, whether or not they want to pay the union.

These ignorant public employees are striking because A) Governor Walker has given them a choice in whether or not to be in a union. and B) He's making it to where union dues aren't payroll deducted from their paycheck.

May the unions rot in hell.

JimH| 3.11.11 @ 8:55AM

Nazis and Italian Fascists, both Socialist organizations, had the SS and the Black shirts to serve as goon squads and security. As I am not convinced that unionized police forces can always be relied on for protection it may be necessary for Tea Party and similar organizations to form self defense groups as the left increases the level of violence and attempted intimidation. NRA members and former military could be very helpful here.

Ned| 3.11.11 @ 1:43PM

Just remember, "When seconds count, the Police are only minutes away."

wodiej| 3.11.11 @ 8:55AM

At least the Democrats are giving the rest of the country a true picture of who they really are and what they stand for. Pictures don't lie and this one isn't pretty.

OldSeabee| 3.11.11 @ 9:05AM

Maybe it's time for a tax-free holiday. If the taxpayers would reduce the payment to reflect lost time by the teachers and the government workers involved in the "protest", the state's fiscal problem would be emphazied even more. If I don't show up for work, I don't get paid. Why should the Wisconsin protesters be rewarded? Maybe Michael Moore will subsidize them during their time at the barricades. Obama said that elections have consequences; now it's the democrats time to be bitten in the butt.

missbosslady| 3.11.11 @ 9:17AM

This is the dawn of a new age in America; The Age of the Temper Tantrum.

We can expect to see much more of this as we endeavor to right our ship. The entitlement crowd will not take any measure lying down. I hope that we have the fortitude to stay our course in the face of what will be many Wisconsin style hissy fits.

We must prepare ourselves for what will be a series of tantrums meant to wear down the American public. The left cannot make substantive arguments to support their positions, so intimidation is the only weapon in their arsenal. Adding to the problem will be the continued support of the Bully in Chief who, as a professinal agitator, will look the other way while his supporters try to break our will.

This will not be a pleasant state of affairs, but surely makes the removal of Obama from office in 2012 an absolute imperative.

Habu| 3.11.11 @ 11:14AM

Actually this stufff has been going on for decades. When the miners in Butte,Montana unionized the Army was called in to keep order...who commanded that Army regiment?......Omar Bradley as a young officer, later to have five stars.....this is like previous to WWI.

missbosslady| 3.11.11 @ 11:21AM

Habu,

Yes, union thuggery is nothing new, however I'm specifically referring to public sector unions, in this case.

This makes the fight different since the public sector union dues are funding democrat campaigns.

Anyone familiar with our history has read (or seen firsthand) the tactics the unions have historically employed to get their way.

What is amusing are the bedfellows of the unions, in the private sector they partner with the mafia and in the public sector with the democrat party.

That says it all.

Habu| 3.11.11 @ 12:50PM

missbosslady,
Had you mentioned in your post that you were specifically referring to public sector unions I would have modified my reply. You did not.

I am somewhat familiar with union tactics having both a Bachelors and Masters in Political Science from the University of Florida. Unions do come up in that discipline probably more than others.

As to the funding of the Democratic Party the number of unions ,both public and others donate almost 100% of their political donations and support to the Dems.

But I applaud your enthusiasm to"right the ship"

missbosslady| 3.11.11 @ 1:25PM

Habu,

Sometimes typing these posts on the fly (not a Democrat, so I have a job) does create some vagueness.

I think we understand each other just fine.

In the end we are kindred spirits, despite the fact that you're a Gator.

Go Noles!

hunter| 3.11.11 @ 9:21AM

The Demoncats and unions are one and the same. The only thing on their mind is ME, ME, Me...its allabout ME... I demand more and more pay, bigger retirements, more say in the running of schools, all the time wiping snot on my sleeve, big crocidile tears jumping out of my eyes, while uttering/mumbling...Its all for the children. LIAR its all for you! The union pushing for Obomba's health/early death plan....Now they want exemptions from it, and are given it. The unions wanting to promote illegal aliens, so they might sing them up and extract union dues to fatten their coffers, while the taxpayer picks up the tab for their health (emergency rooms) pay for schooling their children, take a hit for sending money to foreign countries out of the economic systems where earned. (usually the chamber of commerence wants money spent in their areas. Not ours, not now.) The Demoncatic party with king for life Obomba has finally not only met but has actually made their own personalized WATERLOO.

Steve A| 3.11.11 @ 9:26AM

Get a GOP majority in both houses. GOP pres. Pass school voucher program. Teachers union can kiss their ass goodbye. Game over.

The long term effect is inner city poor, minorities etc. actually get educated, earn a living, get a clue, pay taxes, trend more conservative. Liberalism withers.

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 8:08PM

And conservative teachers can work for a school with a disipline policy and administrators who back them up and who get rid of students or parents who don't follow the rules. With school choice, everybody will be happy.

Radioman777| 3.11.11 @ 10:04AM

If you ever needed evidence that Organizing For America, the unions, and ultimately, the Democrat Party under Obama, are criminal enterprises, herewith is Exhibit A.

FF| 3.11.11 @ 10:05AM

This is the way I see things: the taxpayers have sent a couple of goons over to the union to break some bones - and this has been a long time coming. Looks like Jesse Jackson is now trying to create a new white victimization class. No doubt this will be much more lucretive for him.

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 10:19AM

Jesse Jackson's mind has some stripped gears in the transmission somewhere. Dude spends too much time on coming up with clever rhymes and less on reality. What a pathetic parasite this guy is. Not even semi-coherent in his rants anymore. He's kind of like that weird uncle everybody has that sits in a corner mumbling to himself.

Teaghan| 3.11.11 @ 12:40PM

Maybe he and Mikey Moore can hang out together and come up with a duet.
But only after they give ALL of their money to the poor or the US Treasury.

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 12:57PM

Poor better not wait on it.

davelnaf| 3.11.11 @ 10:16AM

Democrats didn’t dream up these kinds of protest tactics overnight. But the lying liberal media complex has been white-washing Democrat protest-thuggery for so long we didn’t know they probably all went down like the Wisconsin protest.

tadcf | 3.11.11 @ 10:16AM

The right-wing has made a lot about that particular threatening email supposedly sent by a 'liberal'. Supposing it to be real, the sender was genuine idiot to sign their name to it, as suggest by some sources.

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 8:12PM

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetw.....h-threats/

Petronius| 3.11.11 @ 10:31AM

The trolls be strangely quiet, even supine, this day. I've been through Madison a few times. It's ground zero for the worlds most superannuated 3 year olds. Ergo, the Republicans in the Wisconsin State Senate should have nought but contempt for the threats upon their lives, as the only thing these weenies have ever killed is time. If there is any bloodshed, it shall be authorized from elsewhere.

Ken (Old Texican)| 3.11.11 @ 10:32AM

Well, folks,
I have certainly enjoyed the comments.
Thank you all.
But do youall know what is truly frightening to me?
Governor Walker only got 52% of the vote up there. 48% voted for the communists,(pardon the shorthand).

Steve A| 3.11.11 @ 10:57AM

Ken, It's scary. I was watching news last night & they had poll results that favored King's hearings on terrorism l52-38. They touted this as good news. I shook my head & told my wife it is a sad freakin day when 40% of Americans are opposed to investigating the source of those who seek to kill them. Idiots. There is no other explanation.

Mike D.| 3.11.11 @ 11:15AM

There are a lot of people bound and determined to learn the lessons of history the hard way. I have decided not to participate in that group and decided to prepare, read, and learn the easy way.
Sadly, history has lessons to teach, you can learn them the easy way or you can learn them the hard way, but either way you ARE going to learn them.
How we choose to learn histories lessons is what sets us apart from the rabble.

Nunya| 3.11.11 @ 11:18AM

No shorthand necessary, Ken. We all know it to be true, even if the communists won't admit it.

Ned| 3.11.11 @ 1:49PM

As Big Bill O was saying last night... Walker is fine if he can turn the state around and bring in a few hundred thousand jobs (good luck with that, with Barry Bullsh*t still in office)... but if he can't produce, he's toast and the screamers and yellers will jam in a few more multi-thousand page bills to restore union "rights" in Wisconsin.

Leslie| 3.11.11 @ 10:34AM

So let me get this straight, the democrats run from the state to avoid voting and the republicans get blamed for voting without the dems there? Hmm. And this is teaching our children about how democracy works, how freedom of speech works cuz you can send threatening letters to people, protest violently, trash government buildings, not go to work, in general bully and threaten to get what you want in life but yet, hypocrites that these people are, lecture the kids on how NOT to bully? And we wonder why our children are so messed up? I was just watching a union thug explain why they have so much power, not to teach the kids, not to improve the schools, but because they have hundreds of thousands of union members willing to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in union dues to give them power, and that power is being abused by this demonstration to remain in control, not to improve anything they say they stand for.

Jim - New Jersey| 3.11.11 @ 10:40AM

It appears to me to rein-in the Federals we need a Constitutional Convention that can be called by the majority of the States. It's in the constitution. With that said, the Constitutional Convention should pass the laws required to limit the Feds such as the 28th amendment that is going aroung about Congress not creating a law that doesn't apply to them, etc. This is the only way to take control away from the Feds legally.

We could also limit the Commerce clause so it can't be used by Obama and others, along with restricting Presidental Orders (except in the case of war) so he can't defy the courts like with the drilling ban in the Gulf.

Finally, no Presidental appointment (except in the case of war) that is not approved by the congress. If congress is out of session, appointments only for 60-90 days until they are back.

Leo W| 3.11.11 @ 10:57AM

While I agree with the mechanism that you cite, I have to ask: Do you think it possible for a constitutional convention to convene without threatening the 1st amendment and the 2nd amendment both?

I think they'd convene a constitutional convention on the pretext of the points you prefer, and at the end of it, little or nothing would be changed for politicians except that only unions would be able to make campaign contributions and we'd have to surrender our guns. They might even add a "hate crime" amendment that would presume to know what people are thinking.

Nunya| 3.11.11 @ 11:24AM

Leo, good points, I feel exactly the same. I would add the fear of losing the 5th amendment as well, along with the 9th and 10th (even though they're ignored now anyway).

Michael L. Hauschild| 3.11.11 @ 11:36AM

I do not know about the 5th, the 9th, or the 10th, but the First and Second will certainly remain intact because citizens have the internet and patriots own guns.

Mark Shepler| 3.11.11 @ 11:57AM

Good Gawd man, have you lost your mind?! Do you mean to say you trust the mass of today's politician's? My goodness, the aim is to limit their power, not to give the carte blance anew to "transform" America.

missbosslady| 3.11.11 @ 12:03PM

Mark, I agree. It would be the proverbial Pandora's Box.

Do not lift that lid!

Conservative View| 3.11.11 @ 2:13PM

I have to agree with you, it is past time to hold a new Constitutional convention. I think that the States are not far from doing just that. The Fenderal Government is draining the States finances. Obama Care is but one example. To survive, the several States must reign in the power of the Federal Government.

We need I think three things: 1) To limit the commerce clause to the point where it no longer can be used to justify anything the Federal Government wants; 2) To limit the power of the SCOTUS, allowing the States some means of control over who sits on the bench; 3) Return the appointment of Senitors to the States.

The first can be achieved by distinctly defining what is commerce. The second might be achieved by having the States appoint those judges that sit on the Court. We might for instance divide the Country into twelve distinct districts, and each district then appoints a judge. The third is achieved by a simple repeal.

Not until the States grow a pair, and stop allowing themselves to have their coffers drained by the Federal Government will there be enough push to start the process of a Constitutional Convention.

Renaissance Nerd | 3.11.11 @ 5:47PM

Everything you mention could be done with Amendments rather than a convention. Amendments can be overturned, but then so can the Constitution as it's already been ignored for many years, but at least it would be a law on the books.

Walking Horse| 3.11.11 @ 10:48AM

Democracy is equivalent to Mob Rule. To imagine that democrats and the union acolytes would not similarly be thugs in a mob is delusional.

Habu| 3.11.11 @ 11:20AM

Exactly ....that's why we have a Republic...dysfunctional as it currently is.

Sandra| 3.11.11 @ 10:59AM

I have a friend, recent SMSGT selectee (again congrats!) that is still a registered voter up in Wisconsin. She WELCOMES a recall, her State Senator is one that is MIA on an extended AWOL. She wants to fire the bum and hire someone else.

The Dems ought to be careful, this could backfire, unless they already have the ballots marked and ready to commit voter fraud, never underestimate union thugs and criminals.

Careful places like Maryland, some of us see an improvement if we do the same. But I am sure if the TEA party occupied any buildings, we'd be busy repairing and repainting and scrubbing, rather than leave a mess behind.

Doctor Right| 3.11.11 @ 11:03AM

Steel yourselves, folks; this is ONLY the beginning.

As the parasitical Looter-Class feels more and more of their power slipping away, their methods will only become increasingly desperate.

I say "Bring it on!" Like millions of other Americans, my tolerance for those who continue to pick my pocket, and then demand that I thank them, has reached an end.

Liberals and Union thugs: The tide of history is AGAINST you. You days of hiding behind a bought-and-paid-for political party and a compliant press are over.

Death threats? You pathetic cowards.

We're coming for you.

Habu| 3.11.11 @ 11:16AM

Doctor Right
I'm locked and loaded.......praise the Lord and pass the ammo.

Nunya| 3.11.11 @ 11:25AM

Amen to that, brother.

Teaghan| 3.11.11 @ 12:43PM

Ditto. the 38 is in my desk drawer.

missbosslady| 3.11.11 @ 12:53PM

Can I get a halleluja!

Missbosslady is more than ready!

I'm fed up and am not willing to take anymore.

Teaghan| 3.11.11 @ 2:34PM

Halleluja missbosslady!!!!!!!!!!

DRed| 3.11.11 @ 11:17AM

So let me understand. An angry mob yelling at elected officials waving signs comparing health care to nazi death camps and Obama to Hitler=patriotic patriots acting patriotically. An angry mob yelling at elected officials waving signs comparing governor Walker to Hitler=Thugs and Goons.

Habu| 3.11.11 @ 11:18AM

How about a million of us show up in DC all carrying long guns? Think that message would resonate?

Oldefarte| 3.11.11 @ 11:25AM

THIS is simply WHAT DEMOCRATS [HISTORICALLY] DO, because they are typically SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!

John OB| 3.11.11 @ 11:32AM

ABC News called it “the anti-union bill”, FOX News scoop line was, “the union crackdown bill”. Nonsense, Governor Walker should frame it this way: “the anti-collective plundering bill”, “the anti-mob rule bill”, “the saving teacher jobs bill”, “the taxpayer relief bill”, or “the Wisconsin State Solvency Bill”. Oh the humanity, human rights have been violated, these jokers still have more collective bargaining rights than millions of public sector workers in other states and federal employees. Fun watching troopers drag out the “Michael Moore-Starbucks” types kicking and screaming with their $200 sneakers!

JP| 3.11.11 @ 11:41AM

Of course it's an anti-union bill -no doubt about it. The public service unions are bleeding the taxpayer's dry; the unions are thugs, and thier allies display all of the traits that would make Goebbels smile.

The GOP is on the defensive due to thier own version of self-censorship. Their reluctunce to call a spade a spade is allowing the Democrats and thier Brownshirts to sieze the rhetorical high ground.

Pete| 3.11.11 @ 11:52AM

It is ludicrous to allow these clowns to control the messaging here, when the facts are so clearly in our favor. What I haven't seen enough is the distinction drawn between PUBLIC and private unions. There is a BIG difference that obviously most don't understand (or don't care to admit they do for the sake of furthering their propaganda).

Harmless Drudge| 3.11.11 @ 12:27PM

The conduct of the Democratic state senators and the unions in Madison is prima facie illegal. The Fleeing 14 violated Wis. Statute 946.12 Misconduct in Public Office (a Class I felony) by intentionally failing to perform their duties. The protesters who occupied the capitol initially trespassed by not leaving the building before closing time. The violent protests that have attempted to prevent the functioning of the legally elected government are sedition - a violation of Wis. Statute 946.03 and a Class F felony.

These criminal acts as well as the death threats, the shameful use of gullible students, and the defacement of one of the finest capitol buildings in the nation paint the Democratic state senators and their union bankers in their true colors - jailhouse orange.

The next step should be the abolition of all public unions and all private closed shops.

rdman| 3.11.11 @ 12:57PM

All Wisconsin Conservative, Constitutional, Tea Party Taxpayers and all Wisconsin Employers need to declare “A Day of Sanity”, take a couple days off from work and converge en masse on Wisconsin’s Capital. Bring your brooms, mops, plenty of Pine-sol, shovels and rakes.

Overwhelm these Liberal/Socialist/Marxist/ Communist Anarchists that represent 20% or less of the population, shout them down, push them out of the trashed Capital building and off the Capital grounds. Fire-hose the grounds of Woodstock mud, urine and excrement. Sweep, clean, fumigate and restore your beautiful Capital building.

Encourage and support your Governor to fire all teachers (hiding behind… "its for the children") and all other public sector union employees engaged in an "Illegal Strike." Invalidate all public sector union contracts and privatize as necessary.

Activate the National Guard to keep the peace and arrest any and all engaged in Illegal Activities.

You represent 80%+ of the population!! Restore Law and Order and Sanity…

Kevin| 3.11.11 @ 2:13PM

"Overwhelm these Liberal/Socialist/Marxist/ Communist Anarchists that represent 20% or less of the population, shout them down, push them out of the trashed Capital building and off the Capital grounds. Fire-hose the grounds of Woodstock mud, urine and excrement. Sweep, clean, fumigate and restore your beautiful Capital building."

Now THAT is the kind of thing that WILL cause violence. Seriously, because these people believe differently than you, you're going to demonize them and call them communists and anarchists? Get real. Either you're ignorant and don't understand what those terms mean, in which case you shouldn't be using them, or you're being willfully disingenuous. Either way, you're incorrect. I know it's hip to be conservative again, but that doesn't give you license to say these things.

Many of these people do the jobs YOU WON'T DO because you're more interested in making the big bucks. Anyone who thinks teachers are overpaid doesn't know what they're talking about. After this whole charade, who would WANT to be a teacher anymore? You'll just be blamed for everything, spat upon and told you don't deserve a decent wage or any benefits. These people took massive pay cuts (and have been for a while), agreed to pay more into their pensions and healthcare, and that wasn't enough for Walker. No, he was intent upon making an ideological point.

And the idea that you are going to have some "massive cleanup" is ridiculous. As we know now, and the info is available to anyone who knows how to use google, that $7m estimate was off by about $6.8 million dollars.

The cognitive dissonance going on here is astounding.

Iz| 3.11.11 @ 6:55PM

Excuse me, I saw where teachers in Milwaukee were earning over $100,000 in salary and benefits. The school year is 180 days or 8.2 months for an average worker that works 22 days per month. That would be a salary & bennies of over $140,000 for 12 months of work. That is a heck of a paycheck for a job with tenure and no risk.

FTM| 3.12.11 @ 3:49AM

Kevin,

What you say is simply incorrect. My daughter is a spiffy, brand new, just out of college school teacher and makes more per two week pay period than my wife who is a twenty plus year vetran RN-BSN. You don't know what you're talking about.

Mitch Angoop| 3.13.11 @ 5:39PM

Kevin:
I want you to provide proof that ONE TEACHER IN WISCONSIN TOOK A PAY CUT ANY TIME IN THE LAST 20 YEARS. I know you will not find it. None of these people have ever taken a pay cut. They have never had to sacrifice, reducing their own pay to keep a company alive. When you own your own company, you REALLY learn what PAY DAY is because you write the checks. In the entire 16 years we had our own business, we never once missed a payday for our employees, although we sometimes went without one ourselves when the economy went into recession; usually caused by a bunch of government bureaucrats who never missed a paycheck either. I don't want to hear one more lie about our selfish, spoiled, overpaid public employees. They've got it easy. Send them to Iraq or Afghanistan to see what REAL suffering is. Our Military are not spoiled little whiners like the teachers and their union buddies pushing papers.

Seek| 3.11.11 @ 1:21PM

Why aren't national GOP leaders weighing in on this? It appears Gingrich, Boehner, Palin, Romney, Huckabee, Pence and the others are treading lightly so as not to be lumped in with "extremists" like Governor Walker.

Mark Shepler| 3.11.11 @ 5:16PM

I wondered about that too, Seek. I've conclcued it's the best proof of all we're on the winning side of it.

There's an old adage in politics, "when your opponent is hurting himself, don't interfere".

NaturalBorn Texican| 3.11.11 @ 1:39PM

I am a teacher in Texas.
Thank the good Lord that we are NOT required to join a union.

hawker 1 | 3.11.11 @ 1:58PM

The best solution is the FairTax Act .
Once passed then change the money 5s,10,20,50,and 100 bills . Give everyone 18 months to either spend the old or exchange for new. If spent in the U.S.A. no questions, if exchanging then one has to prove legal gain .
effects would be billions of drug ,blackmarket ,hidden (like the 100 thousand the rep in La. had in his freezer) would be taken out of circulation therefore the dollar would regain its standing of the strongest currenci in the world . There are just to many other things good about Fairtax and new dollars to list on a post like this. I just ask that you search out all the poss. Thanks.

Kevin| 3.11.11 @ 2:07PM

Kinda of like what happened after Obama was elected in a landslide and then the Tea Party pitched a hissy fit over healthcare reform? This is so ridiculous. Either you believe in a democratic, open society where people are allowed to voice their opinions and assemble peacefully or you do not. The remarkable thing about the protests in Wisconsin has been the lack of violence. You can scream about "union thugs" all you want, but in the end, the truth will get out.

What's the difference between what is happening in Wisconsin and what the Tea Party has done to Obama? Really, nothing. The right-wing had spread rumors that he's a Muslim, anti-American, not a US citizen, a communist, a socialist, a fascist, etc. They claimed he was "taking away [their] rights" and that he was going to come take away all your guns. They said that he had rammed through the healthcare bill over the opposition of the people. There were many death threats to Democrats and in one instance, Tea Partiers surrounded the Capitol in an attempt to intimidate the Congress.

So I ask you, again, what is the difference? Either you're in favor of citizens voicing their opinions, our you think they should be good little lemmings and get back in their place. The argument you are making reveals your hypocrisy.

dc| 3.11.11 @ 2:20PM

Start by basing your "argument" on something other than People magazine's or Oprah's version of the news and facts.
When the federal government unconstitutionally arrogates to itself the right to take over one-seventh of the formerly private economy (meaning, asserting further rights to money that private citizens have earned), a "hissy fit" is the least of what's needed or what should be expected even in a country that tolerates statist jackals like you.
Did the Republicans even bother to filibuster Obamacare? Did they walk out and sit in Canada or Mexico for three weeks, whining like little bitches who didn't get their way? No--they voted, they lost, they regrouped, and in Nov. 2010, cleaned the House. At no point has anyone, union stooge or otherwise, been "prevented" from voicing an opinion. At many points, Wisc. GOP members have been assaulted, their property vandalized, and they've received written death threats from union members. All of this is on that crazy world wide web with which you may be acquainted. Unfortunately, none of the Barbra Streisand talking points you've managed to cut and paste have any hard evidence behind them. Pity that.
And read one (or just excerpts) from anything Il Duce Negro wrote before he started his presidential campaign--would you conclude that this is a pro-American, anti-Communist, anti-Socialist? Most who bothered to read concluded the opposite. Many who didn't bother now deeply regret it.
You'll make a great concentration camp guard for Dear Leader, if he manages to impose the rest of his agenda. Or, American citizens will be grinding up your bones for animal feed. I hope for the latter.

missbosslady| 3.11.11 @ 2:57PM

Kevin,

I would say the primary difference, per your post, is that Republican politicians did not flee Capitol Hill when it was time to vote for the legislation.

I love how you ignore this very salient fact. The chicken sh*t, fleeing, Wisconsin Dems set this thing in motion by their their cowardly actions.

That's a big difference!

FTM| 3.12.11 @ 3:55AM

Kevin,

Once again the transparency of your arguement is apparent. President Obama can shut the "birthers" up in a second with one piddly-assed piece of paper. Seriously, learn to debate. Get some information. Do something, your line of logic is failing you badly.

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 9:37PM

I don't mean to be rude, but you DO have to form a logical argument to be taken seriously here. You're trying to compare a peaceful protest by taxpayers (who did not "do" anything to Obama -- What are you, his caretaker?) to a mob

See, the difference is, a mob is made up of outside groups like people with brochures from the Communist Party, and bussed-in agitators. They carry signs that call elected officials dictators and issue death threats.

You can't see a difference between a protest against spending (and taxes) by both parties and a protest against a group of elected officials of one party, chosen by the people just months ago to carry out a specific mandate?

Then we can't help you.

Stefan Stackhouse| 3.11.11 @ 2:09PM

Let's see, what was it these people were saying just a couple of months ago, after Rep. Gifords was shot?

Oh yeah, something claiming that it must been because those right-wingers created a climate of hate, and that this was something that those on the left would never do.

Yeah, right. . .

Kevin| 3.11.11 @ 2:16PM

I'm sorry, which part of the establishment Left is saying that we need to overthrow the government by force? Which Democratic lawmaker is calling for "second amendment remedies"? That situation was different because it was highly-respected national figures on the right talking about the tyranny of Obama and basically saying it's time to violently overthrow the government. Glenn Beck is a perfect example of this. There is NO equivalent of this man on the Left. Night after night, he paints a picture that basically says the Republic is in danger. Well, if that were true, wouldn't it justify violence? That's what you people don't understand. This is not about random letters sent from whomever threatening officials. This is about an establishment that promotes violence - and that is the difference.

missbosslady| 3.11.11 @ 2:52PM

Pssst, Kevin,

Your lack of understanding and education is showing.

FTM| 3.12.11 @ 3:56AM

Did you miss your nap today Kevin?

Mitch Angoop| 3.13.11 @ 5:45PM

Kevin,
Until barry the fraud releases ALL his personal documents (LIKE EVERY OTHER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE HAS OVER THE PAST 50 YEARS) he has no credibility. What is he hiding? Until you can provide the truth, you have no argument. Of course, you have no argument in any case, but you are defending a liar and a fraud. If he wants the charges to go away, release his past. What is he hiding?

OncealwaysaMarine| 3.11.11 @ 2:20PM

The Democrats scratch these people's backs, and then they dictate what 'lesson plans' of socialist and homosexual brainwash they will feed our children Monday-Friday to promote the liberal agenda...

It's an unholy alliance that serves both the Democratic Party and their prostitutes in public education (indoctrination)...the teachers.

Public sector unions are just another wing of the Democratic Party. That's the problem with public sector unionization...they will always be co-opted by the political party that pays them the highest bribes. Break it up. It's nothing but creeping communism. It's another ACORN disguised as "public education."

Bill| 3.11.11 @ 2:20PM

I suggest that the public employees who believe that their rights are being violated should do what laborers have had the right to do throughout Western history, namely, withdraw the value of their labor from the use of the employer by going on strike. I mean, after all, if this is a civil rights issues, it surely involves a breach of the employment contract, thus relieving the worker of any contractual obligation he might have to continue working. Shall PATCO be the only government union to have stood on principal during the past 30 or 40 years?

By the way, the Wisconsin legislation taking away the so-called "right" to collective bargaining for government employees should be a clear message to those who believe in government protection for the public that what the government can give to you, it can just as easily take away from you.

OncealwaysaMarine| 3.11.11 @ 2:48PM

What Is Government Collective Bargaining?

•Legal Monopoly: Government collective bargaining gives unions a monopoly on the government’s workforce. The government must employ workers on the terms the union negotiates. It may not hire competing workers.

•Private vs. Public-Sector: Unions operate differently in government than in the private sector. Private-sector unions bargain over limited profits. Competition from other businesses moderates wage demands. Governments earn no profits and have no competition. Government unions negotiate for more tax dollars.

•Risking Public Services: When government unions strike, they can deprive citizens of essential services—such as education for children—until demands are met.

The Consequences of Government Collective Bargaining

•Leverage over Government: Granting unions a monopoly over work done in government gives unions enormous leverage over budgets and taxes. Unions use this power to raise taxes and get more of the budget spent on them.

•Inflated Government Pay: Government unions win above-market compensation for their members. The average government employee enjoys better health benefits, better pensions, better job security, and an earlier retirement than the average private-sector worker, although cash wages are typically not inflated at the state or local level.

•Forced Union Dues: In the 28 non-right-to-work states, unions negotiate provisions that force government employees to pay union dues or get fired. This brings government unions billions of dollars.

•Politicized Civil Service. Government unions have the power to elect the management they negotiate with, so they spend heavily to elect politicians who promise them concessions. Government unions were the top political spenders, outside the two major parties, in the 2010 election cycle.

- heritage foundation

These are common sense observations. They are intuitive. You don't have to be a PhD in Political Science to understand that the marriage of public employee unions and a political party - any political party - is a license for coercion, fraud, and cronyism.

Public sector unionization should never have been allowed in the first place. What we are witnessing in Wisconsin - and how Democrat senators reacted to having legislation passed that threatens the incestuous relationship that has developed over time between elected officials and their lust for funding they get for their campaigns from forced collection of union dues - should leave no doubt in the minds of Americans that this is an unholy alliance with the taxpaying public being subordinated and disenfranchised where Democrats are dependent on money from the very people they are charged with negotiating with.

The relationship couldn't be any more corrupt. That Democrats would expose themselves by this brazen display - which amounts to a public outing of this incestuous relationship - is as damning as it is outrageous.

RCV| 3.11.11 @ 2:54PM

I believe the attack on collective bargaining rights of union workers will prove a fatal mistake for Governor Walker and the GOP in Wisconsin. It has, and will continue to erode support for the tea party movement there among working families. Union-busting wasn't what they thought they were signing up for when they voted him in. A successful recall is my prediction.

Mitch Angoop| 3.11.11 @ 3:17PM

I'm so relieved that your prediction has the same chances of success as you do of being elected president of Argentina. It is incredible that you can conveniently forget that there was an election last November and the voters of Wisconsin voted the democrats OUT because of the abuses of the public employee unions. Then, the cowardly dem senators snuck out of town rather than do their jobs; a travesty you seem to approve of; which defines you better than anything you could ever say.

You and your democrat gang members are so used to reading your own lies and distortions that you no longer understand reality. Get this: You lost the election. Get over it. Your gravy train is done. Your union teachers have been exposed as cheating, lying thugs who don't give one damn for the kids they're supposedly teaching. You've been exposed. Learn from it.

Steve A| 3.11.11 @ 3:18PM

RCV, "Working families." Please define. This one always kills me. Newsflash: Conservatives, as a whole, "work" a good bit more than liberals, trust me on this one.

It's as if all of the Wisconsin voters who have a job & pay the taxes to support these unions & are concerned about the crushing debt of the State are suddenly going to think they made a colossal mistake because the Governor is attempting to do what his stated intention was prior to being elected. $10 says you missed this call.

RCV| 3.11.11 @ 4:38PM

From the latest Us News & World Report:

"The Wisconsin Public Research Institute released a poll over the weekend which showed that 51 percent of Wisconsites somewhat or strongly oppose Walker’s plan to roll back collective bargaining rights and cut public workers’ compensation. More striking is the intensity of the opposition Walker and his plan inspire.

It’s not just that 51 percent oppose the plan, but 42 percent oppose it strongly (9 percent somewhat oppose). And asked if they strongly or somewhat approve or disapprove of Walker’s job performance as governor a remarkable 45 percent strongly disapprove, with another 8 percent somewhat disapproving. His strong approval was 29 percent and his somewhat approve figure is 14 percent.

Another question asks whether Walker should “stand strong” for his plan or should find a way to compromise with the state Democrats and public worker unions. Fully 65 percent favor compromise while 33 percent opt for the “stand strong” position.

According to Ken Goldstein, the University of Wisconsin-Madison political science professor who conducted the poll (the Wisconsin Public Research Institute leans right, but Goldstein is, I think, nonpartisan):

Not surprisingly, this is driven largely by partisan dynamics. About 77 percent of Republicans think the governor should stand strong and 94 percent of Democrats want a compromise. The key here is independents. Independents overwhelmingly want the governor to compromise with 68 percent believing he should do so and 29 percent thinking he should stand strong.
Generally speaking it’s a bad thing in politics when independents line up against you by a 68-29 margin."

OncealwaysaMarine| 3.11.11 @ 6:22PM

His numbers are almost identical to Obama's national polling numbers. What do you make of that?

RCV| 3.11.11 @ 6:51PM

What I make of that is that the GOP field is pathetically weak. As low as the President's approval rating currently is, he handily beats all of his potential opponents.

FTM| 3.12.11 @ 4:13AM

Hello RCV, long time, no yak.

I would be very untrusting of any polling statistic published by a left biased Main Stream publication regarding a left wing issue.

Consider, this is an issue that has the potential to threaten the viability of leftist politics from this day forward. Without public sector political contributions, the Democrat party will be seriously crippled in campaign finance. The democrats/progressives/leftists know this and the hysterical reaction the obvious result.

Further, people are in a foul mood. The next election cycle the Democrat Party is probably going to get shellacked" again. Four years of budget manipulation by the likes of Rand Paul and there are going to be a lot of unemployed liberal government service employees looking for work. With what has to be one of the largest blocks of Democrat Party voters is a state of complete disarray, unfunded and disorganized how is it that you think that your situation can be restored?

The above being based on the assumption that the Republicans have the political will to do what they are threatening to do.

Frankly speaking, I don't know what polling data to believe. I do know that I see a lot of people around here in the factory that completely disapprove of what they are seeing on the tube and in the papers. I think that the Dempcrats are in really, really BIG trouble.

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 9:44PM

The majority of working people (families don't work, so wrong phrasing) do not believe their tax money should be laundered by going from their pockets to the union members to the union leaders to one politcal party. Would you, if you were a worker, want to pay taxes out of your (smaller) salary to pay for free pensions for someone who makes a larger salary?

If you do, fine. You can do that voluntarily. The union leaders won't turn down donations. But don't insist the rest of us do it.

Peter McGrath| 3.11.11 @ 3:08PM

The Unionist hacks and Left-wing nincompoops are certainly motivated: they face political annihilation if their collective bargaining rights are terminated (which is what happened last night in WI).

Boo hoo! No more union dues (paid with tax dollars) to grease the graft-stained palms of Democrat pols who act - not on behalf of the taxpayers - but at the behest of corrupt Big Labor bosses.

When the cretinous former union members see a much-deserved (hopefully, very severe) decline in their wages or benefits, they can do what most normal people do: get another job. The problem is that many of them have worked for the government (in a union for Gawd's sake) for so long that their brains have turned into cottage cheese. Most would be useless in the private economy - which demands output and performance. The union-suckled saps have become fat, stupid, indolent and (for the rest of society) worthless. Now, that's worth crying over.

OncealwaysaMarine| 3.11.11 @ 3:21PM

I don't know what parallel universe you liberals or union hacks are living in, but I can assure you of this:

This spectacle of Democrat Party senators fleeing from the prospect of having to participate in their legislative responsibilities is an outrageous display of hubris.

Added to that - what is even more egregious - is the perception they have given (and in no way sought at any time to dispel) that they fled their posts in order to allow time for their union employee cronies to engage in mob action, issuing death threats, and thuggery (demonstrating) to coerce or threaten a more favorable vote that will preserve their special interest crony relationships with each other; doing so at the expense of the remaining majority segment of the populations they swore an oath to represent - without so much as a "by your leave, sirs and madams."

If you Democrats - you union boosters - think this is a launching platform for a "counterattack" that will sweep you to new success in the 2012 Presidential and Congressional elections, I don't know what country you think you're living in.

If you think that union members - who represent 12% to 13% of the American voting population, and if you count spouses, a maximum of 24% - 26% of the voting public, can by themselves, sweep Republicans out of power on the strength of their anger and petulance and mob actions simply because you want to have it your way - you are delusional at best, and psychotic at worst.

If you - and your AP cheerleaders - think that what we have witnessed as Americans in these past 3 long weeks of you and your Democrat Party representatives' absolutely childish and nationally embarrassing display of trying to spark some kind of insurrection against law and orderly government, is going to somehow endear you to the voters in the next election cycle, you're more than delusional or psychotic- which are treatable illnesses - you're just plain stupid.

I got news for you: Get ready for even more heartbreak...you and the Democrat Party you've been depending on to feather your nests...after what we've seen these past 2 years from Obama and now from YOU?....you're toast.

~oam

RCV| 3.11.11 @ 4:51PM

Don't count on it:
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 2/24 - 2/28 RV Obama 49 Romney 40 -- Obama +9
Newsweek/Daily Beast 2/12 - 2/15 918 LV Obama 49 Romney 47 -- Obama +2
PPP (D) 2/11 - 2/14 600 RV Obama 46 Romney 41 -- Obama +5
FOX News 2/7 - 2/9 911 RV Obama 48 Romney 41 --Obama +7

...and it's not just like that when he runs against a traditional Republican:

Newsweek/Daily Beast 2/12 - 2/15 918 LV Obama 51 Palin 40 -- Obama +11
PPP (D) 2/11 - 2/14 600 RV Obama 52 Palin 40 -- Obama +12
FOX News 2/7 - 2/9 911 RV Obama 56 Palin 35 --Obama +21
Rasmussen Reports 1/7 - 1/10 2000 LV Obama 49 Palin 38 -- Obama +11
McClatchy/Marist 1/6 - 1/10 827 RV Obama 56 Palin 30 -- Obama +26

Got that? You'd better settle in for another four years of Obama as President. It's you who are living in a dream world.

Mark Shepler| 3.11.11 @ 5:19PM

Wow, and this means...what...exactly? Perhaps you're young and don't realize it but 11/6/12 is an eternity away. And you think the economy, energy, jobs and the international scene under Obama is going to do what? Get better?

RCV| 3.11.11 @ 5:26PM

I'm 63 in fact, and yes, the economy will be better in 2012 than it is now. But one thing won't be better: the array of potential GOP opponents. There's not one of them who has a whisper of a chance of success.

Mitch Angoop| 3.11.11 @ 10:01PM

ANY incumbent below 50% is toast at this point in the election cycle. The polls you conveniently quote are all a month old, and reflect nothing of the mess the dem thugs caused in Wisconsin; and just wait till gas is $5.00 a GALLON because barry the thug muslim has refused to let America develop our own oil resources. We'll see what happens when Saudi Arabia falls and we're deep into the worst energy crunch in history because obummer, and the dems since 2006; and their environmental wackos have been virtually shutting down our own drilling for years.

One thing you cannot predict is what's gonna happen when people can't afford food because it is so expensive, and they can't get to work...if they have a job. The dems have done all this, and barry is the most visible focus for the disaster he and his party have brought upon us.

Under Bush, unemployment NEVER got close to the 9% it has AVERAGED under barry, and that number is a fraud. it's closer to 17%, and 24% for BLACKS. (Hey, Black Brothers, how's this "hope and change" thing working out for YOU? You're the ones getting screwed more than at any time in the last 40 years! Blame it on barry, 'cuz he did it.)

Bush was a fool and an idiot who lost my support the day he turned his balls over to his mother and stopped using his backbone: the day after his second inauguration. But, as inept as G.W. was, OBAMA THE MUSLIM FRAUD WHO WON'T EVEN TELL US WHO HE REALLY IS will be the one standing in front of all Americans when the disaster comes home to roost on his criminal shoulders. Ya think we won't notice who's made such a mess of things? How is barry going to rationalize $5.00 gas; 10% unemployment; gas rationing; $6.00 loaves of cheap bread, and ruined savings and retirement accounts caused by a devastated currency and stock market? He's the guy who made it happen.... intentionally. And, we still want to know: WHAT IS HE HIDING?

Mark Shepler| 3.11.11 @ 11:42PM

yes, but you're still a liberal from your stated positions. And since liberalism is the ideology of adolescence standing on your age simply proves another old adage, "there's no fool like and old fool.". Cheers.

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 9:57PM

Agreed. What was that Churchill quote again? Something about how if you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart, and if you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain?

OncealwaysaMarine| 3.11.11 @ 6:28PM

That Romney is even that close at all, nearly 2 years out, is not GOOD news for you. If anything, with the tea party wing of the GOP not even announcing who they will be favoring, and with the field wide open, I don't see how anyone can assume that because Obama has a +3 to +9 point lead is a signal of strength.

I guess when you are desperate for ANY positive news on your side, imaginary good news is better than the nothing that has been going your way since mid-2009.

RCV| 3.11.11 @ 6:49PM

It is good news, given the state of the economy. And things have been going my way quite a lot since 2008 -- We've passed health care reform, repealed DODA, passed financial reforms, withdrawn most American troops from Iraq.

If Romney gets the nomination, the right wing of the GOP -- i.e., this constituency -- will sit on its hands. If one of the wingnuts in the party -- Palin or DeMint or Bolton -- gets the nomination, the results will be the runaway you see above in the Palin polling.

OncealwaysaMarine| 3.11.11 @ 8:58PM

Maybe you see the passage of "health care reform" as a benefit to Obama, however, the exact opposite is the case. To this day, it is no more rejected by the American people than it was on March 23rd 2010, when it was passed - and 53% of the American people still favor FULL repeal, while only 39% oppose repeal, according to Rasmussen.

Consider this, also:

Gallup reports that President Barack Obama's job approval rating, as measured by a weekly average of their daily tracking survey, has fallen from a high of 50 percent reached in late January to 46 percent, "essentially back to where he was in the immediate post-election phase of 2010." - HuffPo

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 23% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -16

Consumer confidence has again fallen to a new 2011 low. At 73.1, the Rasmussen Consumer Index shows confidence down 20 points from the year’s high water mark. Today, investor confidence has also hit a 2011 low and is also down 20 points from its peak earlier in the year. Only 8% of Americans rate the economy as good or excellent while 60% rate it poor.

Only one out of three (33%) workers nationwide expects to earn more money a year from now. That’s down from 49% two years ago.

Overall, 46% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove.

61% See President Obama As More Liberal Than They Are

67% Favor Automatic Police Immigration Checks, Most Support Sanctions on Employers and Landlords (contrary to Obama and the Congressional Progressive Caucus' position).

Seventy-eight percent (78%) of those in the Mainstream believe that when a police office pulls someone over for a traffic violation, he should automatically check to see if that person is in the country legally.

In August, 58% of Americans opposed automatic citizenship for a child born in this country to an illegal immigrant.

The number of voters who give the president favorable ratings for leadership has fallen to its lowest level since he took office in January 2009. -Rasmussen

And more:

SOURCE: Zogby, Bloomberg, and other polling organizations. Compiled by www.BarackObamaTest.com .
_____________________________________

ENERGY

61% of Americans oppose tax increases on fossil fuels. Obama supports them.

54% of Americans support drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Obama opposes it.

73% of Americans support increased drilling for oil and natural gas offshore. Obama opposes it.

59% of Americans want as much energy generated from nuclear power as possible. Another 12% want 20% of our energy generated from nuclear. Obama opposes ALL nuclear-generated power.

60% of Americans think developing new energy sources is more important than protecting the environment. Obama thinks the opposite.

TAXES / ECONOMY

66% of Americans oppose tax increases on returns earned by stock holders. Obama supports such tax increases.

55% of American taxpayers oppose increasing the death tax for income over $1 million. Obama supports it.

85% of Americans, and 88% of taxpayers, oppose raising the top tax rate on the self-employed from 37% to 55%. Obama supports it.

85% of Americans and 87% of taxpayers oppose raising the tax rate on small companies. Obama wants to raise the rate from 35% to 50%.

Obama wants 55% to be the top individual tax rate. Only 12% of Americans support this.

53% of American taxpayers feel that raising taxes and increasing trade barriers will worsen the economy. Obama supports both.

Only 35% of Americans believe they will be personally better off if taxes are raised for businesses and the wealthy. Obama supports such tax raises.

Most Americans disagree with nearly ALL of Obama's policy positions -- so how can he be ahead in the polls?

How does this bode well for his re-election? Were you on vacation on Mars during the mid-term election?

Obama ran all over the United States trying to drum up support for his agenda, during the month of October, to the point of looking absolutely ridiculous. The result in Obama's own words: "I took a shellacking!"

Keep dreaming.

Spoonman| 3.12.11 @ 4:57AM

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bob| 3.11.11 @ 4:55PM

I sure hope the republicans get recalled, i would lol two times then, rofl three times, then lmao one time, then i would rest.

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 9:59PM

Now that's a profound post.

missbosslady| 3.11.11 @ 5:07PM

"According to Ken Goldstein, the University of Wisconsin-Madison political science professor who conducted the poll (the Wisconsin Public Research Institute leans right, but Goldstein is, I think, nonpartisan):"

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha...............

Seriously, stop. You're killing me.

First, anyone who relies on polling is a moron. Unless you have the following information they aren't worth squat:

Exact text of the question posed.
Exactly WHO was surveyed.

I love the 51% figure, since a scant few months ago 52% of Wisconsin voters elected Walker who was very specific about his plans for the budget and public unions.

So, take your polls back to Big Lib headquarters and have your little circle jerk, they are completely worthless otherwise.

PS: A poll conducted by a Wisconsin poli/sci professor!?! Yeah I'm sure there was no bias there!!! Hilarious!

RCV| 3.11.11 @ 5:24PM

You can laugh all you want Miss Bosslady. Since you think the professor's poll is biased, here's a March 4th one from Rasmussen, the respective Republican poller:

"Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker won his job last November with 52% of the vote, but his popularity has slipped since then. A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Wisconsin Voters finds that just 34% Strongly Approve of the job he is doing, while 48% Strongly Disapprove. Overall, including those who somewhat approve or disapprove, the new Republican governor earns positive reviews from 43% and negative reviews from 57% of voters statewide."

Walker clearly misread his mandate, and it will be such a pleasure to see him recalled.

missbosslady| 3.11.11 @ 5:47PM

RCV,

It seems quite typical for you to completely miss the point.

Did you ever stop to consider that Walker is doing what he thinks is right and damn the polls? I know that this must be a tough concept for a little liberal youngster such as yourself, but some folks have principles that are not guided by the current polling.

Do you think that Washington, Jefferson, Adams, et al would have concerned themselves with something as stupid as a poll?

Wake up little boy. You know nothing of the real world, a world where principles and character are what guides a person.

Perhaps, little lib you need polls to tell you what to think, but a vast number of individuals do not.

RCV| 3.11.11 @ 6:44PM

On the contrary, I have little respect for those who govern by polls. Walker should do what he thinks is right. My only point was that he misread public opinion on the issue if he believed the public supported his actions. They don't, and he will pay the price for the miscalculation.

And I know that you agree that the President should continue his fight for the health care reform bill no matter what the newly elected GOP reps believe.

missbosslady| 3.11.11 @ 9:52PM

RCV,

If Walker's predictions, with regards to his budgetary measures, come to fruition then his numbers will bounce back, and since anybody who understands economics 101 knows that his assumptions are correct, I don't think he has anything to worry about.

With respect to the unconstitutional, corrupt health care destruction bill, of course you know that anyone who understands economics 101, knows that it's a total sham. Obamacare has been, and will continue, to unravel daily until it is swept up and dumped into the dust bin of history.

I wouldn't go countin' on that "free" healthcare just yet little boy.

You might want start getting your mind to accept that you're going to have to work for a living. The whole free ride gig is coming to an end. Guess you were just born too late.

RCV| 3.12.11 @ 1:02PM

I've been working for a living, and doing quite well thank you, for about 45 years, my dear. And I know I've taken far more economics classes than you. But go ahead and enjoy your little tea party while it lasts, which won't be long.

JP| 3.11.11 @ 9:54PM

Besides media sponsored Astroturf events, I don't see much public anger at the GOP -especially in Wisconsin. And I think the rank and file public service union members quietly are thanking the GOP in Wisconsin, as 6000 state employees jobs are thus saved. The people who voted for Walker knew all along what the GOP was going to do. Nice try at a bit of disinformation. The Dem Senators are now quietly returning to Wisconsin; they know they are beaten. Wisconsin like most states is broke on its back. The union good times are over. Time for adults to govern again.

Spoonman| 3.12.11 @ 4:59AM

At last, a voice of reason and commonsense.

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 10:05PM

The unconstitutiona mandate to buy health insurance? Is that what we're calling "the health care" bill? Yeah, Big Medical, Big Insurance, and Big Pharma are real pleased with that and will be disapointed when BO is forced to finally stop illegally implementing it.

Don't the Dems hate corporations? And what about the little guy? The minimum wage worker at the burger joint whom barry wants to buy a full-service policy covering everything up to and including Viagra and abortions?

Even if the Dems hadn't shoved that down our throats on Christmas Eve, the sheer hypocrisy of the "health reform" makes it a joke. But screw the working man, right? Let's help those greedy corporations.

NegroX| 3.13.11 @ 6:24PM

If you have no respect for those who govern by polls , why did you vote for obama and clinton?

Speedypete| 3.11.11 @ 6:28PM

Everytime I see the trash talking and violent protesters I refer to a series of video links I keep showing union members pummeling someone for speaking out at a congressional town hall meeting. Every, every, every time it is a Democrat they are protecting. The most recent was some 5' 1" girl getting hit in the face. I save these just to remind me that I am not like that and will never be -- unless struck.

The One Who Runs Like a Duck| 3.11.11 @ 7:14PM

I want to be the President of China, RCV. You would think with your absolutely worthless predictions since I was elected, you would just shut up. You can't help yourself can you? We can all pray that this doesn't end up like Indiana. Mitch Daniels took a big hit in the polls but after the state performed better got reelected with 60% of the vote. Oh well. That will mean more time for golf for me. We should worry more about California, New York and Illinois where we are doing nothing but ruining the economy and will be holding the bag in 2012. High speed rail to the moon baby.

Spoonman| 3.12.11 @ 5:01AM

Don't foregt that even a one term president gets a free ride , and all the lobster his and his wife can eat, for the rest of their lives. They will be on easy street from January 2013 on.

Nite| 3.11.11 @ 10:58PM

The so called polls by liberal media such as ABC/NBC, are so slanted that they are little value. The voters realize that Wisconsin is broke, but the Unions think they can still continue to stay on the gravy train, or rather the union bosses will. I am totally disgusted that the various Fire and Police Unions actually signed letters threatening local business for supporting Governor Walker. I have to say, that in most other states, that participating in this activity would have gotten them fired. They need to straighten up and do their jobs, or their supervisors may get wise and fire their butts.

Tea Party| 3.12.11 @ 2:20AM

Once always a Marine. There is a story about a reason why the Fleebaggers went south and that was because when the Mayor of Madison realized the vote was going through, they colluded to stall the vote by taking a powder. This bought time for the Mayor and the Union goons to get the new contracts signed, not only in Madison but in all the school districts in the state. It's my understanding these contracts are for two to three years duration. I've heard two separate version regarding the posting of the law, there is a ten day window that the Sec of State has to post it. One story is that he refused which was another reason the Fleebaggers took that powder, and another is that he agreed to delay the posting til the last minute. So we Wisconsinites may have
won the battle but the war goes on.

Tea Party| 3.12.11 @ 2:29AM

Another story, the thugs are threatening to boycott all businesses that supported Scott Walker in the last election. And there may be some truth to the story. There is a letter posted on a site that can be reached on www.biggovernment.com It's #5 in the headline
section. It's a letter from the Executive Director, Jim Palmer of the Wisconsin Professional Police Association to a Mr. Ellis (I think he is the President) of M & I Bank Milwaukee, I believe it's the headquarters for this bank that has branches all over the state. This is a creepy letter, it's tone sounds so Mafia and in a not so subtle way.
He invites Mr Ellis to retract his support for Gov Walker if he does they will support him and he's got til March 17th to agree, a 7 day window. If he doesn't hear from him, by that date he will assume
Mr Ellis is refusing his offer and will be boycotted.
He wrote this in his own and in the names of other
public sector leaders including the Dane County Sheriffs Dept.
So if any of you are still wondering why nothing was done by the Madison police and Dane County Sheriff Dept, during the riot a week ago, this is your answer. You will notice the police removing the thugs this week were Staties.

I am furious, these slobs nicked me and mine and every other Wisconsin taxpayer for repairs and restoration of that beautiful building and because of their temper tantrum, aided and abetted by the DemoRATS supposed elected adults, we are gonna get hit again with more costs.

Tea Party| 3.12.11 @ 2:32AM

There was one funny thing about this boycott threat. There are a large number of businesses that supported Gov Walker.
Among them are Sargento Cheese, Johnsonville Meats, Miller/Coors and the Tavern Industry PAC. Now picture this: Cheese, Brats, Beer and Taverns In WISCONSIN. Now do they really expect a boycott of those will fly?

Richard Baker| 3.12.11 @ 8:20AM

Ah, liberals. If they don't get their way they take the ball and go home. Trying to overturn an election, eh? Isn't that what the lefties were saying when Slick Willy was impeached?

kingshamus | 3.12.11 @ 8:32AM

Re: Liberal Death Threats Against Republicans.

So, is everybody impressed with the new subdued tone Democrats insisted Republicans use?

What pathetic little Stalinists we have to deal with on the Left..

Granny55| 3.12.11 @ 9:00AM

Andrew - get a load of this threat from police and firefighter union heads - really disturbing!!!
http://biggovernment.com/publi.....ore-241348

missbosslady| 3.12.11 @ 11:01AM

Granny55,

I saw that piece on Big Government and the first thing that came to mind was; extortion.

The most appalling aspect is that the letter was sent out by the Police union.

Of course, the letter only serves to make the point as to why public unions are a detriment to the public.

I suggest that Republicans around the country do what they can to do business on-line with these companies that are being targeted by the unions.

I, like many folks, am completely disgusted with the circus that the left put on in Wisconsin. Shame, shame, indeed!

Glein| 3.12.11 @ 12:08PM

Next step is to seize all points of communication and the train stations. Disolve the government and form a Committee for the People. Then purge all anti-revolutionary forces! Hmm, that's right it could never happen hear.

goldman| 3.12.11 @ 1:51PM

Why did the Republicans strip the proposal from a financial bill when they insisted all along that this measure was necessary to fix the budget? Why do the Republicans insist on blaming public employees unions for the budget shortfall when they are fully aware that the budget shortfall was created by issuing tax breaks for business? Tax breaks for businesses may be necessary and advantageous at times but why should the blame be placed on public employee unions when they had nothing to do with creating the problem? This is class warfare. Typical oligarchic manipulation of the lower classes. Nationally, Wall Street derivatives traders and the financial industry made the mess and now the blame is being redirected from them towards public sector workers who are some of the very few middle class workers left in the country.

The One Who Runs Like a Duck| 3.12.11 @ 2:06PM

Win The Future, Goldman. Don't worry. We will screw over the hapless taxpayers so that the guys that pay us kick backs will get their sweetheart deals. Sure we are unsustainable but we will fly the plane right into the ground. That is how we roll. Wind turbines and Chevy Volts for everybody, baby.

missbosslady| 3.12.11 @ 4:02PM

Wow goldman, you got all the the thread bare talking points in there! Kudos!

Of course, the veil has been lifted from that liberal tripe to reveal a steaming pile of BS. Sorry pal, but your class warfare mantra doesn't fly anymore. Unions comprise a very small percentage of the population. Please don't come to a site of educated folks and try to sell your 1960's slogans.

I got news for you Mr. Throw Back, there are far more middle class folks that are not union members, than the other way around.

The facts don't support your position and the math doesn't support it either.

We are witnessing the death throws of public unions and it's about time. Four short decades and public employee unions have done serious damage, but we caught on and the jig is up.

So, grab your tye-dye t-shirts, your Birkenstocks, your silly protest posters and pack it in. You can console yourself with the fact that you had a good run, did a lot of damage and burdened your fellow citizens with immense debt. That should bring a twisted smile to your crooked face.

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 10:12PM

I'd like to see the link on how public sector workers are the large majority of middle-class workers in America. For one thing, most Southern states are right-to-work, with no unions for teachers, and there are hundreds of thousands of us in that profession alone in the lower U.S.

jstwndring| 3.13.11 @ 5:16PM

Deficits are caused by excessive spending. That's true for you, me, and the government. The deficits were there before the tax breaks precisely because of big government excesses. Income tax breaks always encourage economic activity, thereby increasing the taxable base, which results in more tax revenue for the government. It happened under Reagan, Bush, and even Kennedy for cryin' out loud. What is wrong with you southpaws? What can you not grasp about that relatively simple truth? I know, I know, don't let the facts get in the way of your ideology......

goldman| 3.12.11 @ 2:13PM

For once a "conservative" is honest about their intentions. Republicans haven't been sincerely interested in balancing a budget since the days of D.D.E., maybe Nixon. Budget deficits work in favor of the right wing because it allows them a pretext for slashing the public infrastructure and social spending - which in turn allows for greater privatization and corporate profits.

The One Who Runs Like a Duck| 3.12.11 @ 3:58PM

WTF, Goldman. "...Slashing the public infrastructure and social spending..." Don't be so obvious. I know the secret liberal code. Whenever we talk like this we are thinking kickbacks. Organized crime has nothing on us. As the mafia learned years ago, it is easier to get money out of corrupt unions than a legitimate business. You are the man, Goldman. You stick to the talking points better than most of our gay trolls. Thank us liberals because Gitmo is closed and peace has broken out all over the world, baby.

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 10:14PM

Privatization+profits=jobs. It's that type of wrong-headed thinking that put us in this position.

jstwndring| 3.13.11 @ 5:05PM

How's it been living under that rock for the last year or so? Oh, sorry, perhaps you haven't heard of the Tea Party? Let me explain. The Tea Party rose up as a grassroots effort out of frustration with BOTH political parties. Primarily, it had to do with Obamacare, but, generally it has focused on out-of-control government spending. It is also focusing its effort on cleaning up the Republican party. Several socialistic, big-government Republicans fell during their primary re-election bid, and have been replaced with (hopefully) true fiscal conservatives. We are in the process of fixing the Republican party in an attempt to bring it back to its party platform of limited government--an absolutely foreign concept to you collectivists on the left. So, while it is true that the Republican party has done nothing to curb the growth of government in many decades, that's being corrected as we speak. Proof? New Jersey, Indiana, and Wisconsin are the latest. How about that 28 state effort to repeal Obamacare? The good news is that this is just the beginning. Wait until we control the Senate, the Presidency, and more state legislatures fall to us. Get ready for some serious slashing and burning of state and federal programs! You'll really be squealin' then! And yes, we are openly trying to destroy the DemocRat party by exposing their Marxist agenda. No private property rights = no liberty.

Mitch Angoop| 3.13.11 @ 6:00PM

Goldman,
Actually, the basis of the economic disaster we're going through is the fat homosexual bawny fwank and chris dodd (the most polished thief in the Senate). It started with carter and clinton; and then the nameless one (You know, the fraud who won't tell us who he is. By the way, what IS he hiding?) went all the way and pushed us over the cliff into depression. Ask one of your Black friends (you know, the guys with a 24% unemployment rate!) how barry's hope and change are working for them.

bill | 3.12.11 @ 3:27PM

And you mean to tell me that we can't find out who sent the threats, and arrest, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law? How about making this even more cost effective ... publish their names and let "other" forces resolve the events with finality! In an effort to control the budget of course!

goldman| 3.12.11 @ 4:44PM

You fascists are all basically the same. I'd like for you to explain to me how unions are supposed to be more corrupt than corporations. You can't be serious. Andy Stern? Hoffa? These guys are small potatoes compared to Goldman Sachs, Citi, Morgan, etc. Obama is just as much in league with these entities as Bush was with oil, coal, gas, etc. What's baffling to me is that some of you guys really believe Obama is a left winger. You must know that's a farce. Obama will raise over a billion for 2012. What kind of a lefty is going to be able to get that much dough from Wall Street? You guys need to find someone who is a bigger coterie for Wall Street than Obama and you might have a chance in 2012. Also, for those of you on this forum who are sane - what's with the loons not so discreetly calling for violent vigilantism against demonstrators in Wisconsin?

Goldman Noise| 3.12.11 @ 7:18PM

Cuckoo! Cuckoo!

missbosslady| 3.12.11 @ 7:35PM

Good little Komrade goldman, you have performed well here.

You made sure to insert all of the required Marxist buzz words.

Infrastructure, corporations, Goldman Sachs, fascist... well done, you may leave now.

Good God! How friggin tedious you lefties have become, the same crap you've been spouting over four decades, talk about your arrested development! Move on son, get a new gig.

Please do not come here with your tired Abby Hoffman drivel. I've seen this one before, at least a 1000 times!

Hey genius, riddle me this. In the last 40 years the government has been confiscating taxes from it's citizens and pouring it by the bucketful into your BS social spending programs, so please enlighten we robber barron, fat cats and tell us what the positive results are from all that spending.

According to you nit wit libs, after having spent billions of dollars on social programs everything still sucks, so why on earth we would continue to do the same thing over and over again?

Tha's what you lefty numb nuts don't get. You're crap approach just doesn't work. Period. Face it!

The facts are out. Game over.

I love that you threw in a little "vigilante violence" into your last post, you dolt. You're a typical lefty, throw a bottle at someone's head, then run away screaming "he's going to hit me". P*ssies!

So, what you're seeing, if you open your eyes, and what you're reading here and elsewhere are folks that are completely unwilling to listen to your tired, re-tread, sixites stupidity anymore.

Do you really think that a pointless person, such as yourself, is going to come here and worry anyone? Pal, you're a caricature, a punch line. Your days of being taken seriously are over.

So, you can take your aging, hipster, doofus, faux intellectualism, New Age, metrosexual, weak, cloying ass and pound sand.

We don't care what you think anymore, we tried it your way and it has been a miserable failure. The days of allowing the infantilism that is the American left wag the big dog are closing.

I fully expect for people like you to go down flailing and screaming like little girls, you'll pardon me while I totally ignore your temper tantrums.

Mitch Angoop| 3.13.11 @ 6:04PM

Bosslady!
Are you married? After this post you'll get a few proposals; so let me be first! You're probably a sweet, petite "Southern Lady" with a spine of hardened steel. If you're NOT married, take me! If you are, he's a lucky guy! Keep it up!

The One Who Runs Like a Duck| 3.12.11 @ 7:35PM

WTF, Goldman. That is the other WTF. I told you how it is done. We shake them down like we always have. What is wrong with you? Are you a true believer? Wow! I thought all those true believers learned something from the last century. The left as in the socialists, communists and fascists only generated long term poverty and destruction. Well I guess we have done that to many of our cities too but that is because Democratic politicians got to greedy. I haven't ran into a true believer since college. That is really funny when you think about it. Rich college students like Bill Ayers mouthing off about the rich. You know Bill is still doing pretty well. For that matter so are Jesse Jackson, Reverend Wright, and every other left wing politician I know about. Sure internet losers like yourself are having a hard time but I want you to know that we appreciate your help. Go buy a Chevy Volt, baby. Drive it to Gitmo and spend some time with some of greatest Muslims in the world.

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 10:15PM

Guess which party Goldman Sachs gave the most to this year?

jstwndring| 3.13.11 @ 4:28PM

Let me bring you up to speed. It's a fact that Wall Street is notoriously left wing in its political support. Yes, they make money, but, they give political contributions overwhelmingly in favor of the Democrat party. In fact, most of corporate America gives more to the Democrat party than to the Republican party. Substantially more. Some of it is probably done out of fear. The Democrats are bullys. But some of it is a result of the current college cirriculum being taught to graduating business students these days. Business schools are emphasizing socialism. My senior business ethics class teacher told us, for example, that socialistic business practices in Germany were fair, and that employment at will (in the U.S.) is unfair. Not true, of course, but I imagine that some of this nonsense penetrates the minds of graduates who then take these notions into the real world. It then manifests itself in the form of political correctness in the workplace, and, ultimately, as support for the Democrat party.

As for Obama not being a left-winger? Are you unaware of his statement regarding the re-distribution of wealth? Who on the right has ever made a statement that would support the end of private property rights? That idea is straight out of the Communist Manifesto. It's blatent Marxism. You have a very naive view of what defines political left and right wingers. You are one of the collectivist lemmings that have swallowed, hook, line and sinker, the Marxist class-warfare rant. Typical. Don't bother looking at the facts, just go with what appeals to your emotional side.

Let me make one last statement on who really controls the money in this country. The highest concentrations of wealth in this country are in the major cities. New York, Chicago, Boston, Philidelphia, D.C., Minneapolis, Seattle, San Fransisco, and L.A., are all the wealthiest, most pristegious cities in the country, correct? Who dominates every-single-one of them? Democrats. Democrats dominate them all politically. Because of this, they are typically able to raise way more money than their Republican counterparts. So, I ask you, who is the party of the rich?

jstwndring| 3.13.11 @ 4:32PM

Oops. Bullys should be bullies. And they are. ;)

Habu| 3.13.11 @ 5:37PM

Wall Street is corrupt as hell ...so go there and protest.....go to DC..you're wasting your resources in Madison......take on the big boys and the Federal gov't....then you'll all be fingerprinted,prosecuted and imprisoned where you'll fit right in.....you got noth'n left except a waning Left.....the people certaionly don't support you.

Habu| 3.13.11 @ 5:44PM

Goldman....you have "issues" and need a rest. time to let it soak in that your gravy train is off the rails...but in you last breaths take your whining to Wall Street and DC....plus your union toughs aren't proving so tough...nobody is afraid....we're just amused, because in the final analysis you were outsmarted (not really too hard) and thrashed by a white collar guy ...do you still feel tough?

Michael L. Hauschild| 3.12.11 @ 5:27PM

Just curious, what is the record for weekend postings at AS?

Habu| 3.12.11 @ 5:57PM

No way am I reviewing 330+ posts but I will add my summation.

Labor unions have a mystique of being some tough ruff puff dudes who will crack heads to enforce their will on whoever their chosen target happens to be.
This is their badge of courage since the movement grew out of those members too ignorant to think for them selves but had strong backs. The challenge is that in a lawful society with a shrinking labor movement there are fewer strong backs to do theier idea of "enforcing".
That coupled with tiny mind leadership gets labor outsmarted at every turn, especially in a highly competitive world...so no one is afraid of the threats, the head knocking...labor would be wiped out in an hour of a free for all.
I'm a former Marine and CIA operative and could dump so much on them singlehanded they woulld be crying for the their mommies.
Unions are finished ..but of they want it, we've got the numbers to give it to them..so let them talk 'cause if they get too far out of hand they'll just vanish. Pot bellied old men with trash talking doesn't get it done...sorry but you dinosaurs but we no longer need the knuckle dragging mouth breathers..
Have a nice day.

USAFMSGTRET| 3.12.11 @ 6:39PM

If I remember correctly, it was during either the Kennedy administration or the Johnson administration that the Social Security "lock box" was unlocked and allowed to be used with the general budget, the monies taken would be backed by Government IOU's. How's that working for you. There is no solvency when it comes to SSI and Medicare. Let me explain this very slowly so those of you on the progressive side can understand. "When you continue to spend more money than you make you will go broke". As a retired member of the USAF, it sickens me that nobody saw the emperor had no clothes while he was campaining. I went hoarse screaming at the TV and radio as the Lamestream Media continued to ignore the many concerns that were raised prior to the election. But what do you expect. There are many that are still expecting their homes and cars to be paid from Obama's "stash".

vladdy| 3.12.11 @ 10:19PM

I, too, screamed, with a lot of it going toward McCain when he said barry was a "nice, family man" and "nothing to be afraid of." That was about the time he put Jeremiah Wright off-limits.
Ironic that an American hero might be responsible for helping elect the most dangerous president we've ever had.

But inept as he may have been, we never had to doubt that he had America's interests at heart. If only that were true with obama.

jstwndring| 3.13.11 @ 3:59PM

Actually, Obama's election has done us all a huge favor in that it has exposed the Democrat party for what it truely is: Marxist tyranny. They pretend to be democratic as long as it suits their goals, but, in reality, they are elitist, arrogant thugs that get violent when they don't get their way. Hopefully, the clueless masses will no longer be able to ignore the illegal, immoral, and dangerous actions of the intolerant political left. Thank you Obama, for lacking subtlety.

RCV| 3.13.11 @ 11:19PM

Ah, a conservative's honest view of the American people: the "clueless masses"! I'll take their judgment over yours any day.

The One Who Runs Like a Duck| 3.14.11 @ 12:01AM

Win The Future, RCV. How dare those conservatives adopt our view of the American people. This was first patented by the Democratic Party in 1932. We deserve all the credit. Of course how else might one describe someone that would vote for the Obama/Biden ticket. Those conservatives have a point. Any one that couldn't spot my line of crap is pretty clueless. I realize that you are pretty clueless so I hope a little of this sinks through. Michigan is coming back because of the government subsidized Chevy Volt, baby. If you think it is fun, we are going to tax it, except for sodomy. It is the only Democrat approved activity. You can sleep easy RCV.

Ken (Old Texican)| 3.12.11 @ 8:44PM

Sergeant,
well spoken!
The most well spoken communist here is RCV.

He is always polite... so you know he "has gotten his" at our expense.
The problem he faces now is that "his" will be taken away....by his brother communists, (pardon the shorthand).

RCV| 3.13.11 @ 3:38PM

Thank you, Ken, for the small compliment amidst the calumnies. I try to be polite and well-spoken because that's the way my mother raised me. She taught me not to call people names or to make assumptions about those I don't know. I wish someone had taught those lessons to you - you have a lot of positive qualities and generous instincts, and you nastiness to others does not do you credit.

After my father died at 39, my mother supported her three children by working in factories. She was able to do so thanks to the living wage and benefits that she and her fellow union members were able to collectively bargain for. Were the companies she worked for bad? No, but without collective bargaining, they would have paid as low a wage as they could, because that's the way the market works. Without collective bargaining rights, there is no way she could have put three boys through college and on to highly successful professional careers.

As for "communists" -- the real ones, not the ones in your imagination, I have fought against and despised them all my life. They have the same lack of concern for real people who struggle to survive every day that you do.

The One Who Runs Like a Duck| 3.13.11 @ 4:42PM

I want to be the President of China, RCV. Nice insults RCV. Right after you tell them what a polite fellow you are you let them have it. That is right out of my play book. I was almost in tears with your story when I remembered that we told our trolls to tell stories like this. Guys like you always have a story that fits right in kind of. I suppose there is some small chance it is true but it smells fishy. Good job at trying to confuse public workers and private worker issue. That is exactly what we wanted to get out there with our talking points. We certainly don't want anyone to realize that FDR felt that those public workers should not be able to sell their votes and donations to the party who will give them goodies. If you would like a clue on how to answer the communist challenge here is one. The difference between you and communists is that the communists know what they were doing. You and me are just a bunch or crazy wishful thinkers. High speed rail to gitmo, baby. We are listening to all your phone calls just like George Bush.

RCV| 3.13.11 @ 7:23PM

And you quoting FDR is like Palin quoting Einstein.

The One Who Runs Like a Duck| 3.13.11 @ 9:37PM

I could be President of China, RCV. WTF, smart boy. I can quote FDR if I want to. I am the new FDR. I got a million Ponzi scheme ideas. All those smart people that pointed out that FDR was creating unsustainable entitlements won't be remembered like FDR. It is all sales. Have you ever noticed RCV that we aren't nearly as smart as we think? I was tickled by those boobs at NPR while they were being owned by that O'Keefe character. The way they just sat there as anti-Semitic nonsense was spewed out was amazing. You have to admit that none of us are any smarter than those two bozos. We just think we are. Maybe I can sell it. I don't think you can. You are just a troll on a conservative web site. Oh well. Golf was great this weekend. I played for the people and my game was pretty good. At this rate I will be able to give Boehner a run for his money when he is ninety. Chevy Volts for every gay person but you, baby.

RCV| 3.13.11 @ 10:38PM

Just as tickled as I was when Governor Walker was owned by the faux-Koch brother. Of course neither of them is quite as dumb as Michelle Bachman commemorating the battles of Lexington and Concord in ..... New Hampshire! If only Sarah and Michelle could jut smile for the cameras and not speak, you conservatives just might have a shot.

The One Who Runs Like a Duck| 3.13.11 @ 11:24PM

Koch Brothers, RCV. Did you wet yourself? You are focusing on all the right things. Women are sooo stupid. I might want you do some hits on Hilary if she decides to take me on so be prepared. We have worked up a list of some of her dumber quotes. Remember if they bring up my dumb quotes, immediately call them racists. Dive a Chevy Volt in all 57 states, baby.

Mitch Angoop| 3.13.11 @ 6:24PM

I note that your mother DID NOT BELONG TO A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE UNION. These are totally different animals here; although the private unions have gone off track too. There was a time that the unions were necessary and important; but they have gone too far. They must take their share of the blame for our loss of manufacturing jobs, along with the weak management teams who just gave them what they wanted and then moved production offshore.

Unfortunately, we can't do that with our public employees. You're off base. The incestuous relationship between the democratic party and the public employee unions is criminal and immoral. A significant part of the dues the members pays goes right into the coffers of the democratic party. (Which is certainly the antithesis of democracy!) It is an unholy trio and definitely should be illegal. There is no defense for it; just as there is no defense for forced unionization in ANY sector of the economy.

Even if the situation with the public employees is disregarded, obama is not fit to be in the White House. Just try the "Sniff" test: Pretend for a moment that a Republican did ANY of the things obama has done, and imagine what the media and democrats would be doing. Like: keeping his history hidden. Or, illegally jamming a huge healthcare bill through in the middle of the night knowing full well that the majority of Americans did not want it. Or, bypassing Congress on Carbon Dioxide emissions, which is one of the stupidest issues of all time; but indicative of obama's stupidiy or duplicity. Or, like ignoring the scientific evidence about glo-bull warming and trying to bypass Congress by going the regulatory route. Or, adding 43 'Czars" that bypass the congressional oversight. And on and on and on. This whole administration smells, and if the GOP did any of these things the dems would be screaming "IMPEACHMENT". But, barry's off limits because criticizing him is RACIST.

Am I angry? You bet I am because the democrats are proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that they lie, cheat, steal, and generally do ANYTHING to get their way. They're just furious that the 'rubes' in Wisconsin had the guts to vote them out. So, they'll just throw a tantrum and break heads until the people get the message: "Democrats will be out of office when DEMOCRATS say so; and not a minute before!" The whole Country is getting the message, and we're finally adopting the dems tactics... and they don't like it.

RCV| 3.13.11 @ 7:27PM

And the relationship between the GOP and corporate America is criminal and immoral as well. Unions have never been "useful" except to workers who need them to equal the bargaining strength.

The One Who Runs Like a Duck| 3.13.11 @ 9:48PM

Win The Future, RCV. Stick it to the man. You know the tax payer. Screw those guys. We get the public employees great benefits, they give us kickbacks. This is what the Democratic Party is all about. It doesn't sound so good when you say it this way. Oh well. I am working on my NCAA picks. Dumb saps like yourself like this. My pollsters think it gives me a common touch. Michigan isn't going anywhere. Sorry. We are closing gitmo because it is wrong, baby. No more rendition or Patriot Act. You can trust us. Remember you are a polite man. Ha! Ha!

RCV| 3.13.11 @ 10:42PM

Sorta like you do with the oil companies, Haliburton and the NRA. If you were really serious about ending corruption in politics, you'd work for public financing of campaigns. But you're only interested in cutting off contributions to Democrats. Your transparency is soooo obvious.

The One Who Runs Like a Duck| 3.13.11 @ 11:16PM

I am the King of the USA, RCV. We are using Haliburton now in Iraq and Afghanistan so we don't talk about them anymore. We give them no bid contracts now. It turns out that they apparently provide something pretty unique. Who would have known? We are soooo smart. Otherwise if somebody smart thinks about all we've said they will realize we are taking orders from Dick Cheney. We are soooo smart. By the way we have been successfully shaking down oil companies since they have been around. BP gives me lots of money fool. Are you a true believer too? I don't much care for the NRA but these dimwit fellow citizens of ours seem to like to defend themselves and such so we have declared peace on gun rights, kind of. So shut up before you cause me more trouble. With help like this it is no wonder I am in such trouble. I like my help to play stupid not to be stupid. How is that GED coming along? We are soooo smart. Wind turbines on every roof, baby.

Michael L. Hauschild| 3.13.11 @ 6:35PM

I worked at Continental Can Company before I was drafted. My worker number was in the time clock slot of one-thousand and six. There were a few more after me so more than a thousand worked there. I received $1.95 cents per hour. We were a union shop, you either belonged to the Machinists Union or you paid their stipend to work. Eleven out of that workforce were in “lithography,” which simply was a line that painted Pepsi Cans for the factory next door. Those eleven members earned over ten dollars an hour, the Union wanted them to get a three dollar raise, let me repeat that, “Eleven people wanted more than one and a half times what I made per hour as a raise. The company balked, so they put the whole factory out of work for three months. I simply went to work at another job; I never ever joined a Union even though I did work on Union sites while on permit, (Ironworkers who played cards in the Union Hall and let us work when the weather was bad). Many of those at that plant received three months of the year off as vacation with pay. That plant is still there today under another name and it is nearly all automated. The parking lot that held all those cars when I worked there is nearly empty. They are Japanese cars, by the way.

dixiedrifter| 3.12.11 @ 10:28PM

The MSM reports estimates of 85K to 100K protesters assembled in Madison today with their effort to fan the flames of dissent. Wisconsin has a population of approximately 5.5 million people. Where was everyone else? Basic mathematics shows us that those who assembled at the State Capital to protest, would represent approximately two percent of the State's population. Obviously many who support the protesters could not attend, or chose to be somewhere else. This information should make it clear a vast majority of Wisconsin's population is non-supportive of the protesters activities. Let's see what the voters have to say come election day.

Osamas Pajamas| 3.13.11 @ 1:29AM

The Republicans are not trying to destroy unionism in America. Damn it.

Walking Horse| 3.13.11 @ 11:31AM

It is hard to avoid the thought that the phrase "Democrat Thuggery" is redundant in spirit, if not in grammar.

jstwndring| 3.13.11 @ 3:45PM

Not to mention that there is nothing democratic about the "Democrat" party.

StopGovtBondage| 3.13.11 @ 1:40PM

Governor Walker has given working people in the public sector - free choice.....why are union mob bosses inciting riots over this?

----free choice - the people decide if they want to be in a union or not

----free choice - the people decide if the union bosses are really acting on their behalf - and have power to do something about it if they are not

----free choice - the people have power to demand - and get - accountability from unions - by having unions go through a recertification process

---free choice - the people will pay their union dues directly to the unions, rather than having the government deduct it automatically from their paychecks......and if the people determine those dues are either too high - or being diverted to polical agendas they do not support - they have the power to do something about it.

It is obvious why the mob leaders are upset - the power has shifted from the "bosses" to the "people" - and the union leaders don't like it much.

But - why are the union members so upset....why can union membership not see the power, freedom, and choices they have been given?

If the unions are so good for the people - then, wouldn't the people freely flock to membership?

jstwndring| 3.13.11 @ 3:43PM

Stuck pigs. Squealing.

jstwndring| 3.13.11 @ 3:47PM

Republicans need to start bringing cameras with them everywhere they go, so they can record the bullying being done by these a**hole democRat pricks, and then use it in the next election cycle.

Tea Party| 3.14.11 @ 7:27PM

Look at the picture, see all the raised fists. What does that remind you of, other than the Black Power sign from decades ago? I believe that is a
sign for Marxists. It's so comforting to see teachers sitting in the gallery with their fists raised
in solidarity.
Apparently the Blue Fist on the Red Background with the yellow star on the wrist is a Marxist symbol, I understand it is one from a Malaysian
Communist Party.

Bye the way, that Union Goon representing the Wisconsin Professional Police Association is NOT a cop. He is, a LAWYER, who'd a thunk it?
The other Board members are mostly fmr cops
and after they retired some went to went to Law school. He's also a drunk, caught I believe December 19, 2010 You can check them out at
wppa's website. Palmer was appointed by our wonderful former gov, Dipsy Doyle.
with a 0.146 %

weddingdress | 7.1.11 @ 12:45AM

Vaughan Thomas| 8.9.11 @ 10:22AM

Namecalling is extremely childish and leaves those using such tactic looking as said and really the actual ones at loss here for their lack of any reasoned refute in adult political debate. However, if the resort is childish namecalling it also shows up an intelligence that really hasn't developed beyond the school yard not to mention one that hasn't discarded bullying from the same era of their lives, no doubt too. The author mentions such people are in his tent and is seemingly condoning rather than condemning which is itself appalling. The condemnation needs to be bipartisan of course.

However, american political discourse has rather sank to new lows of recent years in this regard. Pathetic that those culpable evidently don't want to debate the issues when they issue this practice : since we all learn far more in political debate when the practice is absent from the skyline in our political dealings with people and reasoned debate alone is on the table.

Creative Recreation | 8.11.11 @ 1:41AM

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