He's not on the road to government-run healthcare.
Consider it the conservative movement's Charlie Sheen moment.
Some conservative think tank types have quietly complained that
Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels and President Obama are on the same
road to government run healthcare, albeit at different speeds. This
whisper has erupted into a Tiger Blood rant by the Cato Institute's
Michael Cannon entitled:
"Mitch Daniels's Obamacare
Problem: His state's
health-care plan promotes dependence on government."
Cannon asserts the Healthy
Indiana Plan (HIP), which uses a mix of Medicaid funding, tobacco
taxes, and individual contributions to provide medical insurance to
working class Hoosiers, is no different than
Obamacare:
Like Obama, Daniels increased cigarette taxes to expand
government-run health care.
Whereas Obamacare requires states to open their Medicaid programs
to families of four earning $31,000 (138 percent of the federal
poverty level), Daniels expanded Indiana's Medicaid program to
families of four earning $44,000 (200 percent of poverty). From
2008 to 2010, Indiana's Medicaid enrollment spiked: Adult
enrollments grew 21 percent, a rate nearly double the national
average.
In his effort to paint HIP as a source of government
dependence, Cannon misstates much. First, Indiana does not
have a Medicaid program for families up to 200 percent of poverty.
HIP provides families up to 200 percent of poverty to obtain
private health insurance if their employer doesn't offer coverage
or if they have been uninsured for 6 months or more. Participants
must pay premiums of up to about $100 a month and contribute up to
$1100 into a "Personal Wellness and Responsibility" (POWER)
Account. POWER accounts are used to pay for deductibles.
Second, Indiana's Medicaid enrollment did not spike 21
percent. It increased 17 percent from 2008-2010, slightly higher
than the national average of 14. 6 percent. In 2009-2010 the rate
of increase in Indiana's adult Medicaid enrollment declined (as it
did in only 16 other states) and did so more dramatically than
most.
To establish HIP Daniels shifted authority to state
government and made personal responsibility central. Cannon claims
Daniels "made Medicaid more attractive: Under his plan, the
government hands out coverage plus something a lot like cash." By
this logic, the 1996 welfare reform bill and Daniels' recent
proposal to extend Indiana's school voucher program to every family
promote big government because they both "hand out
coverage."
Similarly Cannon has to denigrate the design and impact of
HIP to portray Daniels as Obama's healthcare doppelganger. Cannon
is half right when claiming HIP spending was higher than expected.
Most HIP participants are older and sicker than the rest of Indiana
and have had less care to boot. Short-term per patient costs of
care were higher, at first. But after three months the average
amount spent on participants and the amount of services consumed
steadily declines.
There's a reason for that: unlike Medicaid, HIP is not an
entitlement but a way to get well. It pays for preventive care. It
pays doctors more for treating the most vulnerable. And it rewards
staying healthy. If participants use preventive services they can
keep HIP contributions to their POWER accounts. Participants are
getting healthier, using fewer services. and saving more in their
POWER accounts.
HIP has 24,906 adults with dependent children and 20,514
other adults enrolled. It also has a waiting list of more than
40,000 childless adults. That's not increasing dependence, it's
unmet need. The federal government bars Indiana from enrolling more
people in HIP. Daniels asked for more control over Medicaid dollars
to expand the program. Obama said no.
Cannon might applaud the President's action since it stops
Daniels' socialist web from spreading. But Obama's decision -- to
force people to wait until 2014 to be forced into Medicaid to get
coverage -- is causing real people real suffering.
That includes Alice Moeloa of Logansport, Indiana. Ms.
Moeloa lives on disability payments and has not had insurance for
years. She could get Medicaid only if she gave up her disability
support.
According to
Indy.com, Moeloa recently applied for HIP:
Her diabetes has caused seeping wounds in her legs, making
it difficult for her to walk. Moeloa desperately wants insurance to
visit a local wound clinic. Because Moeloa, 57, is on disability,
she can apply for Medicare in about a year and a half. But she does
not want to wait.
"Every little itty bit scratch I get on my leg, I get
infected," she said.
Moeloa is living with the threat of having her legs
amputated. Daniels wants more control over health spending to help
her and others. President Obama stands at the doctor's front door,
turning them away. Cannon's effort to mobilize conservative
opposition to HIP leads to the same result. Apparently, that's a
small price to pay for "reducing" dependence on
government.
About the Author
Robert M. Goldberg is vice president of the Center for Medicine in the Public Interest and founder ofHands Off My H ealth, a grass roots health care empowerment network. His is new book,Tabloid Medicine: How the Internet is Being Used To Hijack Medical Science For Fear and Profit, was published last month by Kaplan.
PLEASE Stop trying to push truce loving, Wisconsin undercutting,
gee-I-am-boring candidate for President onto the grass roots.
It won't work.
We're not buying it. He flunked too many early courage tests,
he's tone deaf at best, and he's upset more folks than he's won
over. How does that make him the right Republican candidate to win,
and set the Supreme Court on the Right track after 2012?
Charles Dennison| 3.10.11 @ 7:23AM
I couldn't agree more, NVA Patriot! Mitch does not listen to the
people!
jduvall2816| 3.10.11 @ 7:34AM
I guess I still don't understand what responsibility Mitch
Daniels, who was elected by Indiana Residents to do Indiana's
business and accomplish the agenda the Indiana Republicans set out
in their campaings, has to accomodate a Wisconsin political fight
that he's already had in his own state. Since the Republican reps
(whom I voted for) tried to ram through the 'right to work' Bill
they have put in jeapardy every campaign agenda item they ran on.
They could have accomplished every item of their agenda before
forcing a no-win standoff with Dems.........now, they may have to
return to the voters in 2012 and explain why they didn't get the
things done that they promised in their election campaigns. That is
very poor strategy and Daniels was trying to avoid letting the
Republicans embarass themselves.
The Bruce| 3.11.11 @ 1:02AM
Most politicians don't. For nearly one hundred years (the birth
of the lobbyist), it's about who's writing the biggest checks.
loulou| 3.10.11 @ 12:35PM
AMEN, NVA Patriot.
I like the motorcycle part of Mitch Daniels but he's no Col. Allen
West.
jduvall2816| 3.10.11 @ 7:25AM
Thank you for your insight on this subject Mr. Goldberg. Mitch
Daniels is the most conservative candidate the republicans could
put up against President Obama in the next election and has the
record to prove it. Many people like "NVA Patriot" have lost sight
of what a real statesman is supposed to look like and get caught up
in hyperbole' the see in the media following a candidate that
didn't accomplish half of the things Daniels has in his tenure as
Indiana's Governor.
What most people loose sight of is that Governor Walker in
Wisconsin repeatedly stated that Daniels record of conservative
government reform is what he is trying to mimic in his own state.
While some of the other conservative candidates have had variable
conservative political success, none of them have had more than
Daniels and he's done it over a longer time-frame than
Palin/Huckabee/Cain/Walker/Christie......
Only Cain and Romney have similar accomplishments in the private
sector as Gov. Daniels. Romney is significantly further left than
Daniels in their public sector voting record and Cain doesn't have
any accomplishments in the Public Sector. I like Herman Cain, but
having never managed a dollar of the publics money makes me think
he should run for a Governorship/Senator/Representative and get a
little more experience before he is catipulted to the most powerful
political position in the modern world.
NVA Patriot| 3.10.11 @ 7:41AM
Pardon me,
I work my but off getting Virginia conservatives elected. The
people I am working with are the very people any candidate needs to
win. To date we’ve been doing pretty good – Bob McDonnell, Ken
Cuchinelli, flipping and controlling the VA House – but don’t worry
about us we can’t recognize true talent.
We make the phone calls. We beat the street, knocking on doors;
we attend rally's for candidates; we support, sponsor and run fund
raisers; we read, learn and try to do the best we can DESPITE the
establishment. While doing this we raise our families, do right by
our customers and employers, and generally lead good, honest
lives.
So I think I have a pretty keen insight on who will and who will
NOT motivate the people needed to win.
Mitch is not going to win NVA - You don't win NVA, you are
unlikely to win VA and its 11 electoral college votes. Us
unsophisticated-unable-to-see-statesmen types are not real bright
;) we just count votes. And when you can't count to ELEVEN in VA
you probably lose.
And regarding Statesmen, Churchill was a statesmen - I don't
recall him calling for truces with the enemy of his time...so
there's MY standard of a Statesman. Yours appears to be
not-much-Mitch.
jduvall2816| 3.10.11 @ 8:13AM
NVA Patriot---
I apologize for the cheap-shot in my first post. I'm sure you do
work hard for your candidates in VA and I'm gald you do.
However, I urge you to not get lost in the errantly percieved
statement of "Truce" by Daniels and look at he record of
accomplishment. He has a voting record that spans 7 years in
Indiana and not one social conservative issue compromised. He's a
practicing Presbyterian who proclaims the salation of Christ, is
committed to marriage only between men/women and has denounced
"unions" between homosexuals, has always voted 100% pro-life and
has set Indiana up as one of the most fiscally sound states in the
Union using methods that other Governors are now trying to bring to
their own state.
I simply urge you to look at the mans record and reserve
judgement on what you percieve his 'Truce' comment would
entail.
NVA Patriot| 3.10.11 @ 9:27AM
Apology Accepted - support your candidates they need it - just
trying to report a few 'ground game understandings'
Mitch has done damage to himself in NVA - it's up to him to fix
it or lose
JP| 3.10.11 @ 8:18AM
NVA Patriot,
Jduval is a troll. I see them all over the blogsphere. Thier
strategy is simple - disinformation. They invariably support the
liberal Republican cause or candidate out there, post some talking
points and leave. By the end of the day, it looks like half the GOP
supports Moderate to Liberal Republican candidates. In this case,
they understand that Daniels would get his lunch handed to him by
Obama; they know that without strong grass roots conservative
support, no Republican can win the WH. Hence, thier strategy.
jduvall2816| 3.10.11 @ 8:30AM
Wow! I didn't know I had this sort of notoriety:). Are you just
generalizing with the "Troll" comment or specifically talking to
me? The main reason I post something then leave is because I have a
job that requires me to work. I do enjoy politics but always give
an honest opinion on who I think the best candidate is and try to
back it with credible facts.
Can you name a candidate that has a better conservative record
than Daniels over the last 7 years? If so please let me know. And
exactly what "disinformation" did I leave? I'm pretty sure I used
checkable facts.
Please let me know and I'll try to source my "disinformation"
for you to also check. Maybe we can both become more educated
today.
JP| 3.10.11 @ 9:10AM
"Can you name a candidate that has a better conservative record
than Daniels over the last 7 years? If so please let me know. And
exactly what "disinformation""
In a field filled with "moderates" and Progressive Republicans that
is difficult to do. But since you asked, the answer is Pawlenty.
BTW, Mitch was for implementing a VAT tax, implementing all day
kindergarten and mandetory pre-school (before the recession those 2
items were high on his list. Kind of a sop to the teacher's unions
at the taxpayer's expense). Before the Dems walked out, Mitch caved
on his school voucher and reform bills, and allowed the Senate Dems
to gut both (so much for his priorities).
But most telling about your hero Mitch is how a old political
pol named Pat Bauer made a fool of him. When Baue and his cohorts
walked out, the first thing Mitch did was to cave (scolding his own
party in public wasn't the wisest thing to do). When Mitch forced
the House Dems to pull the Right to Work bill off the agenda, Bauer
produced 11 more demands. If Mitch could get rolled so easily by
someone like Bauer, just think what Pelosi and Reid will do.
Mitch is a political idiot with a soul of an accountant. Only a
troll would push this man. One last thing, in a Pew Poll conducted
last December 58% of Hoosier Conservatives said that they would not
support Mitch for President.
jduvall2816| 3.10.11 @ 9:50AM
I like Pawlenty a good deal and if Daniels doesn't run I will
probably support him over the other candidates.
Here is a list of what I could find on Pawlenty's
accomplishments they were listed at a sight called
(conservative-alternative).
1. He has balanced Minnesota’s budget, without any tax raises!
(so did Daniels)
2. He has cut state income taxes (Daniels did not cut/raise income
taxes in 8 years)
3. Increased benefits for Minnesota’s veterans (Daniels passed a
large veterans benefits package also)
4. He has capped property taxes (Daniels cut property taxes and
capped them at the lowest rate in the country)
5. Toughening the states education requirements, eliminating that
idea of No Child Left Behind’s teaching the test mentality.
(Daniels will soon pass an education reform package that will
revolutionize the subject allowing education tax dollars to go the
private schools including religious schools)
6. Set forth a plan to have 25% of Minnesota’s energy from
Minnesota’s natural resources (wind, solar, natural gas) by
2025.(Daniels has also stated this goal but wants to include clean
coal as a means to achieve)
In addition to this, Daniels stripped public unions of
bargaining rights (Pawlenty did not)
Daniels provided a blue-print for how a public funded healthcare
program (HIP) could help those who really need the assistance and
was able to balance this program within the proposed budgets.
(Pawlenty did not)
When cutting funding for unecessary programs Daniels increased
funding and workers for Child Protection agency in Indiana
(Pawlenty did not)
Daniels revamped Indiana BMV and closed many inefficient
branches but managed to improve the productivity to a point where
there is an average waiting time of 7 minutes (Pawlenty did
not)
Under Daniels, Indiana now has the lowest number of state
workers per capita of any state in the country (Pawlenty did not
accomplish this)
Daniels pushed through a law requiring women to have an
ultra-sound and must wait 24 hours before being elegible to have an
abortion. (Pawlenty did not)
Daniels never tried to push a VAT tax agenda. He simply said
that we need to look at all options and vet them in the arena of
public opinion. He has also looked at the advantages of a Flat tax
and Fair tax two options most conservatives would love if it
eliminated the income tax.
I grabbed these last facts by googling Daniels accomplishments.
They are readily available.
Again, I like Pawlenty, but he is not more conservative than
Daniels and has not accomplished as much.
loulou| 3.10.11 @ 12:38PM
Pawlenty??! That says it all. A pantywaist who allowed Al
Franken to steal the election in his state.
No wonder you like Daniels.
idalily| 3.10.11 @ 6:30PM
Jeez, people, get a grip. If we can't come together better than
this, we're toast. There is nothing wrong with Daniels or Pawlenty.
I know they aren't that arbiter of all things conservative that is
Palin (sarc off now) but can we please remember it's the Dems we
should be fighting, not each other?
wodiej| 3.10.11 @ 1:22PM
You've got to be kidding me? I'm from Indiana and Gov. Sarah
Palin is just as conservative as Daniels if not more.
JimH| 3.10.11 @ 8:41AM
I'm glad you mentioned Viginia. For a moment I thought we had a
poster from Hanoi. ;->
catman | 3.11.11 @ 5:54AM
All can say is Read Sarah Palin Record for 20 Years of Public
Service. She is the best for POTUS
With all due respect sir, have you seen the Republican bench of
candidates? The only candidate that can beat O is Daniels right
now. This article is setting the record straight not shoveling a
candidate down your throat. I am glad to see it quite frankly
because we need journalist that will call out their counterpart
journalist hacks with the moral turpitude to present such an
insufficiently researched article.
Keep it coming as far as I am concerned.
Wouldn’t be great to have O’Keefe at the White House Basketball
party?
catman| 3.11.11 @ 5:09PM
with all do respect
Everyone seems to love to hate Sarah Palin; everyone, that is,
except for the hardcore Republican base -- and yours truly. Her
devoted following gives her a head start if she decides to run. And
for political instincts, this woman makes Hillary look like she is
standing still.
In some ways, Palin reminds me of female version of Ronald
Reagan in 1980. The press dubbed him incompetent and unelectable.
The people found him magnetic and about two tons smarter than he
was given credit for.
Keep a watchful eye on Palin. She learned the ropes during her
vice-presidential campaign as John McCain's running mate. My only
advice to her would be to stop putting down every other Republican.
Otherwise, she's good to go if she decides to run.
vb| 3.10.11 @ 7:52AM
NVA Patriot,
I am happy for thoughtful articles that try to show distinctions
between policies. I fail to see how learning more about the nuts
and bolts of complex issuues like health care programs equates
choosing Mitch Daniels as my favorite presidential candidate. It
does, however, give some insight into the way he thinks and tackles
problems. We are now stuck with a unexamined president. I hope we
don't make the same mistake twice.
Clint| 3.10.11 @ 8:19AM
Daniels is having problems with Social Conservatives.
"Unless he does a mea culpa--I was wrong--he has no chance of
winning the nomination," said Richard Land, one of the nation's
most politically seasoned social conservative leaders. "You can't
win the nomination without pro life and pro family votes and they
are not going to vote for him when he says you have to go to the
back of the bus. Those days are over."
idalily| 3.10.11 @ 6:34PM
Then pro-life and pro-family voters had better accept the end of
America as we know it. Very few truly Social have even a chance at
the Indie vote (I can't think of one except maybe Jim DeMint).
Without the Indies, we can't win. If we don't win, Obama will get
at least one, maybe two SCOTUS judges and it will be over. Game.
Set. Match. PLEASE, PEOPLE, GET A FREAKIN' CLUE!!!
Clint| 3.10.11 @ 6:46PM
Many Independents are Social Conservatives, as well as Fiscal
Conservatives.
We see that in Our Tea Party Patriots.
That's why many of We Tea Party Patriots are urging Jim DeMint to
run.
Demint says he is considering running, now that Mike Pence
dropped out & DeMint has a bigger PAC War Chest than Romney and
DeMint's dwarfs all other's War Chests.
JP| 3.10.11 @ 9:19AM
One last thing about our Man Mitch and the Dem walk-out is a
simple fact that almost all have overlooked. The Right to Work bill
pushed by the House GOP stood little chance of passage in the state
senate (at least in its current form). The Indiana GOP Senate
leadership already voiced strong reservations about the bill. What
Bauer and the Dems did was a little bit of theatrics. And it
worked. Mitch played into thier trap perfectly. Bauer knew that the
bill would die in the committess of the senate. But he knew Mitch
better than most. He knew that Daniels vanity would compel him to
look "mature" and "adult". Daniels fell for it by not siding with
his own party. The state houses are where all kinds of legislation
are proposed and passed. And like the US Senate. the state senates
are where 90% of those bills die.
Daniles would make a great cabinet secretary, but he has proven
that he is incapable of being President.
Bob| 3.10.11 @ 10:04AM
So Indiana Governor Runt wants to be President. Newt's achilles
heel is his personal life, cheating on his wives-naughty, naughty.
The Runt has a similar problem but it's his cheating wife. The
salacious press will have a field day hunting down wife's lover
boy. I can't wait for TMZ to dig up all the dirt and expose what a
sham marriage the runt has. No wonder he called for a truce with
social issues since he can't account for his wayward wife.
loulou| 3.10.11 @ 12:40PM
There's nothing wrong with being short.
What's your problem, Bob?
Clint| 3.10.11 @ 1:40PM
On the other hand, Daniels could run for Emperor of France.
NeilBJ| 3.10.11 @ 12:35PM
Indiana, if its Constitution permits, has a perfect right to
implement its own health care plan. A power not delegated to the
federal government is reserved to the states.
I want to make sure that when we argue about govenment run
health care we make that distinction.
The Massachusetts health care bill is a disaster. Better that
one or two states deal with their own disasters than the federal
government foist its disaster on the entire nation.
States can then learn from each other and see what works, so
that the disasters will not be propagated. When the federal
goverment creates a disaster, it is instantly propagated to all the
states at once.
wodiej| 3.10.11 @ 1:28PM
I have been out of work for over a year and live in one of the
largest cities in Indiana and we have seen little job growth.
Perhaps the Governor could spend more time helping people find jobs
instead of letting them get on public funded health care insurance.
I am not eligible-I have no kids and I'm not poor enough. On a
personal note, he has some baggage involving his wife and I'm sure
he doesn't want it aired. I know his wife doesn't.
JP| 3.10.11 @ 4:07PM
This will surely be a campaign slogan used against the next GOP
gubenatorial canididate in 2012 (Probably Mike Pence). Indiana,
like Michigan, like Illinois, like Wisconsin, and like Ohio have
some of the highest labor costs in the nation due primairily to
unions. And for those businesses that are not unionized there is
the constant danger that the workers will force unionization
sometime in the future. This was exactly what was addressed by the
House GOP leadership in its Right to Work legislation.
States like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, and South Carolina do not
have this burden. Manufacturing in Indiana was not lost only to
overseas outsourcing, but also to other states where the right to
work is law.
Not only has the govenor of Indiana but the political leadership
of the GOP has done a dismal job in communicating to the voters
what labor unions have done not only to local education but to the
jobs market.
e cowan| 3.10.11 @ 1:57PM
"Some conservative think tank types have quietly complained that
Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels and President Obama are on the same
road to government run healthcare,"
Whatever other bad policy he supports - his being one of the
"Ethanol Four" RINO's (Republican presidential nominees: Minnesota
governor Tim Pawlenty, Indiana governor Mitch Daniels, South Dakota
senator John Thune, and Indiana congressman Mike Pence...Katrina
Trinko writes on NRO: What kind of Republican supports high tariffs
on imports, dubious green tax credits, and consumption mandates to
prop up ) - makes him a loser in my book!
kingsmill| 3.10.11 @ 3:10PM
Mitt, Newt and Mitch are all damaged goods. Hit the eject
button.
loulou| 3.10.11 @ 4:03PM
Add Pawlenty and Jeb Bush to the list.
I'm for Cain/Bachmann. Cojones, baby.
PCP Smoker| 3.10.11 @ 8:57PM
Let's get rid of this scumbag before idiot republicans start
thinking he's the best we have. Do recall it was republicans who
thought McLame was a good choice.
NVA Patriot| 3.10.11 @ 6:26AM
Memo to Republican Establishment:
PLEASE Stop trying to push truce loving, Wisconsin undercutting, gee-I-am-boring candidate for President onto the grass roots.
It won't work.
We're not buying it. He flunked too many early courage tests, he's tone deaf at best, and he's upset more folks than he's won over. How does that make him the right Republican candidate to win, and set the Supreme Court on the Right track after 2012?
Charles Dennison| 3.10.11 @ 7:23AM
I couldn't agree more, NVA Patriot! Mitch does not listen to the people!
jduvall2816| 3.10.11 @ 7:34AM
I guess I still don't understand what responsibility Mitch Daniels, who was elected by Indiana Residents to do Indiana's business and accomplish the agenda the Indiana Republicans set out in their campaings, has to accomodate a Wisconsin political fight that he's already had in his own state. Since the Republican reps (whom I voted for) tried to ram through the 'right to work' Bill they have put in jeapardy every campaign agenda item they ran on. They could have accomplished every item of their agenda before forcing a no-win standoff with Dems.........now, they may have to return to the voters in 2012 and explain why they didn't get the things done that they promised in their election campaigns. That is very poor strategy and Daniels was trying to avoid letting the Republicans embarass themselves.
The Bruce| 3.11.11 @ 1:02AM
Most politicians don't. For nearly one hundred years (the birth of the lobbyist), it's about who's writing the biggest checks.
loulou| 3.10.11 @ 12:35PM
AMEN, NVA Patriot.
I like the motorcycle part of Mitch Daniels but he's no Col. Allen West.
jduvall2816| 3.10.11 @ 7:25AM
Thank you for your insight on this subject Mr. Goldberg. Mitch Daniels is the most conservative candidate the republicans could put up against President Obama in the next election and has the record to prove it. Many people like "NVA Patriot" have lost sight of what a real statesman is supposed to look like and get caught up in hyperbole' the see in the media following a candidate that didn't accomplish half of the things Daniels has in his tenure as Indiana's Governor.
What most people loose sight of is that Governor Walker in Wisconsin repeatedly stated that Daniels record of conservative government reform is what he is trying to mimic in his own state. While some of the other conservative candidates have had variable conservative political success, none of them have had more than Daniels and he's done it over a longer time-frame than Palin/Huckabee/Cain/Walker/Christie......
Only Cain and Romney have similar accomplishments in the private sector as Gov. Daniels. Romney is significantly further left than Daniels in their public sector voting record and Cain doesn't have any accomplishments in the Public Sector. I like Herman Cain, but having never managed a dollar of the publics money makes me think he should run for a Governorship/Senator/Representative and get a little more experience before he is catipulted to the most powerful political position in the modern world.
NVA Patriot| 3.10.11 @ 7:41AM
Pardon me,
I work my but off getting Virginia conservatives elected. The people I am working with are the very people any candidate needs to win. To date we’ve been doing pretty good – Bob McDonnell, Ken Cuchinelli, flipping and controlling the VA House – but don’t worry about us we can’t recognize true talent.
We make the phone calls. We beat the street, knocking on doors; we attend rally's for candidates; we support, sponsor and run fund raisers; we read, learn and try to do the best we can DESPITE the establishment. While doing this we raise our families, do right by our customers and employers, and generally lead good, honest lives.
So I think I have a pretty keen insight on who will and who will NOT motivate the people needed to win.
Mitch is not going to win NVA - You don't win NVA, you are unlikely to win VA and its 11 electoral college votes. Us unsophisticated-unable-to-see-statesmen types are not real bright ;) we just count votes. And when you can't count to ELEVEN in VA you probably lose.
And regarding Statesmen, Churchill was a statesmen - I don't recall him calling for truces with the enemy of his time...so there's MY standard of a Statesman. Yours appears to be not-much-Mitch.
jduvall2816| 3.10.11 @ 8:13AM
NVA Patriot---
I apologize for the cheap-shot in my first post. I'm sure you do work hard for your candidates in VA and I'm gald you do.
However, I urge you to not get lost in the errantly percieved statement of "Truce" by Daniels and look at he record of accomplishment. He has a voting record that spans 7 years in Indiana and not one social conservative issue compromised. He's a practicing Presbyterian who proclaims the salation of Christ, is committed to marriage only between men/women and has denounced "unions" between homosexuals, has always voted 100% pro-life and has set Indiana up as one of the most fiscally sound states in the Union using methods that other Governors are now trying to bring to their own state.
I simply urge you to look at the mans record and reserve judgement on what you percieve his 'Truce' comment would entail.
NVA Patriot| 3.10.11 @ 9:27AM
Apology Accepted - support your candidates they need it - just trying to report a few 'ground game understandings'
Mitch has done damage to himself in NVA - it's up to him to fix it or lose
JP| 3.10.11 @ 8:18AM
NVA Patriot,
Jduval is a troll. I see them all over the blogsphere. Thier strategy is simple - disinformation. They invariably support the liberal Republican cause or candidate out there, post some talking points and leave. By the end of the day, it looks like half the GOP supports Moderate to Liberal Republican candidates. In this case, they understand that Daniels would get his lunch handed to him by Obama; they know that without strong grass roots conservative support, no Republican can win the WH. Hence, thier strategy.
jduvall2816| 3.10.11 @ 8:30AM
Wow! I didn't know I had this sort of notoriety:). Are you just generalizing with the "Troll" comment or specifically talking to me? The main reason I post something then leave is because I have a job that requires me to work. I do enjoy politics but always give an honest opinion on who I think the best candidate is and try to back it with credible facts.
Can you name a candidate that has a better conservative record than Daniels over the last 7 years? If so please let me know. And exactly what "disinformation" did I leave? I'm pretty sure I used checkable facts.
Please let me know and I'll try to source my "disinformation" for you to also check. Maybe we can both become more educated today.
JP| 3.10.11 @ 9:10AM
"Can you name a candidate that has a better conservative record than Daniels over the last 7 years? If so please let me know. And exactly what "disinformation""
In a field filled with "moderates" and Progressive Republicans that is difficult to do. But since you asked, the answer is Pawlenty. BTW, Mitch was for implementing a VAT tax, implementing all day kindergarten and mandetory pre-school (before the recession those 2 items were high on his list. Kind of a sop to the teacher's unions at the taxpayer's expense). Before the Dems walked out, Mitch caved on his school voucher and reform bills, and allowed the Senate Dems to gut both (so much for his priorities).
But most telling about your hero Mitch is how a old political pol named Pat Bauer made a fool of him. When Baue and his cohorts walked out, the first thing Mitch did was to cave (scolding his own party in public wasn't the wisest thing to do). When Mitch forced the House Dems to pull the Right to Work bill off the agenda, Bauer produced 11 more demands. If Mitch could get rolled so easily by someone like Bauer, just think what Pelosi and Reid will do.
Mitch is a political idiot with a soul of an accountant. Only a troll would push this man. One last thing, in a Pew Poll conducted last December 58% of Hoosier Conservatives said that they would not support Mitch for President.
jduvall2816| 3.10.11 @ 9:50AM
I like Pawlenty a good deal and if Daniels doesn't run I will probably support him over the other candidates.
Here is a list of what I could find on Pawlenty's accomplishments they were listed at a sight called (conservative-alternative).
1. He has balanced Minnesota’s budget, without any tax raises! (so did Daniels)
2. He has cut state income taxes (Daniels did not cut/raise income taxes in 8 years)
3. Increased benefits for Minnesota’s veterans (Daniels passed a large veterans benefits package also)
4. He has capped property taxes (Daniels cut property taxes and capped them at the lowest rate in the country)
5. Toughening the states education requirements, eliminating that idea of No Child Left Behind’s teaching the test mentality. (Daniels will soon pass an education reform package that will revolutionize the subject allowing education tax dollars to go the private schools including religious schools)
6. Set forth a plan to have 25% of Minnesota’s energy from Minnesota’s natural resources (wind, solar, natural gas) by 2025.(Daniels has also stated this goal but wants to include clean coal as a means to achieve)
In addition to this, Daniels stripped public unions of bargaining rights (Pawlenty did not)
Daniels provided a blue-print for how a public funded healthcare program (HIP) could help those who really need the assistance and was able to balance this program within the proposed budgets. (Pawlenty did not)
When cutting funding for unecessary programs Daniels increased funding and workers for Child Protection agency in Indiana (Pawlenty did not)
Daniels revamped Indiana BMV and closed many inefficient branches but managed to improve the productivity to a point where there is an average waiting time of 7 minutes (Pawlenty did not)
Under Daniels, Indiana now has the lowest number of state workers per capita of any state in the country (Pawlenty did not accomplish this)
Daniels pushed through a law requiring women to have an ultra-sound and must wait 24 hours before being elegible to have an abortion. (Pawlenty did not)
Daniels never tried to push a VAT tax agenda. He simply said that we need to look at all options and vet them in the arena of public opinion. He has also looked at the advantages of a Flat tax and Fair tax two options most conservatives would love if it eliminated the income tax.
I grabbed these last facts by googling Daniels accomplishments. They are readily available.
Again, I like Pawlenty, but he is not more conservative than Daniels and has not accomplished as much.
loulou| 3.10.11 @ 12:38PM
Pawlenty??! That says it all. A pantywaist who allowed Al Franken to steal the election in his state.
No wonder you like Daniels.
idalily| 3.10.11 @ 6:30PM
Jeez, people, get a grip. If we can't come together better than this, we're toast. There is nothing wrong with Daniels or Pawlenty. I know they aren't that arbiter of all things conservative that is Palin (sarc off now) but can we please remember it's the Dems we should be fighting, not each other?
wodiej| 3.10.11 @ 1:22PM
You've got to be kidding me? I'm from Indiana and Gov. Sarah Palin is just as conservative as Daniels if not more.
JimH| 3.10.11 @ 8:41AM
I'm glad you mentioned Viginia. For a moment I thought we had a poster from Hanoi. ;->
catman | 3.11.11 @ 5:54AM
All can say is Read Sarah Palin Record for 20 Years of Public Service. She is the best for POTUS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
RUN SARAH RUN
PLEASE!
Donna| 3.10.11 @ 7:35AM
With all due respect sir, have you seen the Republican bench of candidates? The only candidate that can beat O is Daniels right now. This article is setting the record straight not shoveling a candidate down your throat. I am glad to see it quite frankly because we need journalist that will call out their counterpart journalist hacks with the moral turpitude to present such an insufficiently researched article.
Keep it coming as far as I am concerned.
Wouldn’t be great to have O’Keefe at the White House Basketball party?
catman| 3.11.11 @ 5:09PM
with all do respect
Everyone seems to love to hate Sarah Palin; everyone, that is, except for the hardcore Republican base -- and yours truly. Her devoted following gives her a head start if she decides to run. And for political instincts, this woman makes Hillary look like she is standing still.
In some ways, Palin reminds me of female version of Ronald Reagan in 1980. The press dubbed him incompetent and unelectable. The people found him magnetic and about two tons smarter than he was given credit for.
Keep a watchful eye on Palin. She learned the ropes during her vice-presidential campaign as John McCain's running mate. My only advice to her would be to stop putting down every other Republican. Otherwise, she's good to go if she decides to run.
vb| 3.10.11 @ 7:52AM
NVA Patriot,
I am happy for thoughtful articles that try to show distinctions between policies. I fail to see how learning more about the nuts and bolts of complex issuues like health care programs equates choosing Mitch Daniels as my favorite presidential candidate. It does, however, give some insight into the way he thinks and tackles problems. We are now stuck with a unexamined president. I hope we don't make the same mistake twice.
Clint| 3.10.11 @ 8:19AM
Daniels is having problems with Social Conservatives.
"Unless he does a mea culpa--I was wrong--he has no chance of winning the nomination," said Richard Land, one of the nation's most politically seasoned social conservative leaders. "You can't win the nomination without pro life and pro family votes and they are not going to vote for him when he says you have to go to the back of the bus. Those days are over."
idalily| 3.10.11 @ 6:34PM
Then pro-life and pro-family voters had better accept the end of America as we know it. Very few truly Social have even a chance at the Indie vote (I can't think of one except maybe Jim DeMint). Without the Indies, we can't win. If we don't win, Obama will get at least one, maybe two SCOTUS judges and it will be over. Game. Set. Match. PLEASE, PEOPLE, GET A FREAKIN' CLUE!!!
Clint| 3.10.11 @ 6:46PM
Many Independents are Social Conservatives, as well as Fiscal Conservatives.
We see that in Our Tea Party Patriots.
That's why many of We Tea Party Patriots are urging Jim DeMint to run.
Demint says he is considering running, now that Mike Pence dropped out & DeMint has a bigger PAC War Chest than Romney and DeMint's dwarfs all other's War Chests.
JP| 3.10.11 @ 9:19AM
One last thing about our Man Mitch and the Dem walk-out is a simple fact that almost all have overlooked. The Right to Work bill pushed by the House GOP stood little chance of passage in the state senate (at least in its current form). The Indiana GOP Senate leadership already voiced strong reservations about the bill. What Bauer and the Dems did was a little bit of theatrics. And it worked. Mitch played into thier trap perfectly. Bauer knew that the bill would die in the committess of the senate. But he knew Mitch better than most. He knew that Daniels vanity would compel him to look "mature" and "adult". Daniels fell for it by not siding with his own party. The state houses are where all kinds of legislation are proposed and passed. And like the US Senate. the state senates are where 90% of those bills die.
Daniles would make a great cabinet secretary, but he has proven that he is incapable of being President.
Bob| 3.10.11 @ 10:04AM
So Indiana Governor Runt wants to be President. Newt's achilles heel is his personal life, cheating on his wives-naughty, naughty. The Runt has a similar problem but it's his cheating wife. The salacious press will have a field day hunting down wife's lover boy. I can't wait for TMZ to dig up all the dirt and expose what a sham marriage the runt has. No wonder he called for a truce with social issues since he can't account for his wayward wife.
loulou| 3.10.11 @ 12:40PM
There's nothing wrong with being short.
What's your problem, Bob?
Clint| 3.10.11 @ 1:40PM
On the other hand, Daniels could run for Emperor of France.
NeilBJ| 3.10.11 @ 12:35PM
Indiana, if its Constitution permits, has a perfect right to implement its own health care plan. A power not delegated to the federal government is reserved to the states.
I want to make sure that when we argue about govenment run health care we make that distinction.
The Massachusetts health care bill is a disaster. Better that one or two states deal with their own disasters than the federal government foist its disaster on the entire nation.
States can then learn from each other and see what works, so that the disasters will not be propagated. When the federal goverment creates a disaster, it is instantly propagated to all the states at once.
wodiej| 3.10.11 @ 1:28PM
I have been out of work for over a year and live in one of the largest cities in Indiana and we have seen little job growth. Perhaps the Governor could spend more time helping people find jobs instead of letting them get on public funded health care insurance. I am not eligible-I have no kids and I'm not poor enough. On a personal note, he has some baggage involving his wife and I'm sure he doesn't want it aired. I know his wife doesn't.
JP| 3.10.11 @ 4:07PM
This will surely be a campaign slogan used against the next GOP gubenatorial canididate in 2012 (Probably Mike Pence). Indiana, like Michigan, like Illinois, like Wisconsin, and like Ohio have some of the highest labor costs in the nation due primairily to unions. And for those businesses that are not unionized there is the constant danger that the workers will force unionization sometime in the future. This was exactly what was addressed by the House GOP leadership in its Right to Work legislation.
States like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, and South Carolina do not have this burden. Manufacturing in Indiana was not lost only to overseas outsourcing, but also to other states where the right to work is law.
Not only has the govenor of Indiana but the political leadership of the GOP has done a dismal job in communicating to the voters what labor unions have done not only to local education but to the jobs market.
e cowan| 3.10.11 @ 1:57PM
"Some conservative think tank types have quietly complained that Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels and President Obama are on the same road to government run healthcare,"
Whatever other bad policy he supports - his being one of the "Ethanol Four" RINO's (Republican presidential nominees: Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty, Indiana governor Mitch Daniels, South Dakota senator John Thune, and Indiana congressman Mike Pence...Katrina Trinko writes on NRO: What kind of Republican supports high tariffs on imports, dubious green tax credits, and consumption mandates to prop up ) - makes him a loser in my book!
kingsmill| 3.10.11 @ 3:10PM
Mitt, Newt and Mitch are all damaged goods. Hit the eject button.
loulou| 3.10.11 @ 4:03PM
Add Pawlenty and Jeb Bush to the list.
I'm for Cain/Bachmann. Cojones, baby.
PCP Smoker| 3.10.11 @ 8:57PM
Let's get rid of this scumbag before idiot republicans start thinking he's the best we have. Do recall it was republicans who thought McLame was a good choice.
Creative Recreation| 8.11.11 @ 1:59AM
is good