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Liberal Wrestlemania

By R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr. on 3.3.11 @ 6:08AM

It’s not a sex crime?

WASHINGTON — A frotteur is someone — usually male — who takes aberrant pleasure in rubbing his fully clothed groin area against someone else — usually female — generally in a public place, say a subway, perhaps a funeral parlor. The frotteur is a pretty weird duck. The word is obviously French in derivation, and it unsurprisingly has an arty origin. Frottage is “the technique or process of taking a rubbing from an uneven surface,” according to the Oxford English Dictionary, “…as a point of departure for a work of art.”

Now there is no national organization of frotteurs, even in France. So I cannot call up a spokesman to ask the particulars of this heretofore-unusual sexual predilection. Possibly in years to come frotteurs will tire of being harassed on the subway or wherever else they practice their sexual orientation, and they will organize. I suspect, however, they have been reading the New York Times, which is on to a hot story. The Times reports that as many as 6,000 young girls are competing in high school wrestling, many in competition with boys because their states have no girls category. There are 270,000 boys, presumably all in boys’ events. So if a frotteur learns at an early age that he/she is inclined toward frottage, he/she will want to try out for the boys wrestling team. Or perhaps they can just attend a match and simply watch. Many wrestling matches are conducted in darkened gymnasiums with but four spotlights over the mat.

If he/she can qualify for the 103-pound class the competition is apparently exquisite. Rachel Hale just won the Vermont state tournament over a young man, though possibly both won, at least if both are frotteurs. Whatever the case, it was a joyous occasion for Ms. Hale who became the first of her sex to win a state championship in boys wrestling. Ms. Hale is a 15-year-old freshman and she is going to have to watch her weight. If she puts on 10 or 15 pounds she will be in a heavier class. “I don’t know any girls competing over 160 and not many over 140,” says Kent Bailo, the director of the United States Girls Wrestling Association. “The boys beat them up; they get clobbered. It’s no fun.”

It was not all fun at the Iowa state boys wrestling championships recently. Braving charges of sexism, Joel Northrup forfeited to a girl in the 112-pound class for ethical and religious reasons. “…Wrestling is a combat sport and it can get violent at times,” Joel wrote in a public statement. “As a matter of conscience and of my faith, I do not believe that it is appropriate for a boy to engage a girl in this manner. It is unfortunate that I have been placed in a situation not seen in most high school sports in Iowa.” A rather eloquent statement that — perhaps he had in mind what happened in Vermont where Ms. Hale “kept the boy subdued on his hands and knees, then flipped on his belly,” reports the Times, rather excitedly I would say. “Both wrestlers were 103 pounds of leverage and intent. She hooked her leg tightly around his, flattening his hips [!] toward the mat, trying to turn him on his back and pin his shoulders, careful not to let him score decisive points by escaping or reversing positions or pinning [!] her.” As I say, a frotteur might have a good time just sitting in the audience.

Being a high school student can be confusing nowadays. In the hallways and the cafeteria one has to be careful where one puts one’s hands. But then in the gym, if one is on the wrestling team, one had better be quick to move one’s hands fast. Ms. Hale “was careless,” the Times reports, in “looping one arm around” her opponent’s “neck and the other between his legs.” The result could have been catastrophe. There are other problems. Language can be loose and authentic, but it can also be hurtful and full of sexism and racism and, well, it could be insensitive to frotteurs.

Fortunately among the best and the brightest of Americans turn out to be educators, and so they keep our nation’s high schools safe and secure. If they did not, it would be a jungle out there.

About the Author

R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr. is the founder and editor in chief of The American Spectator. He is the author of The Death of Liberalism, published by Thomas Nelson Inc. His previous books include the New York Times bestseller Boy Clinton: the Political Biography; The Impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton; The Liberal Crack-Up; The Conservative Crack-Up; Public Nuisances; The Future that Doesn’t Work: Social Democracy’s Failure in Britain; Madame Hillary: The Dark Road to the White House; The Clinton Crack-Up; and After the Hangover: The Conservatives’ Road to Recovery.

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Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 3.3.11 @ 6:59AM

Our society would have been much better if he had kicked the piss out of her and sent her packing.

Mark Shepler| 3.3.11 @ 8:23AM

Though the father of three daughters, especially so, I have to agree with you Bill.

Liberals have made the world a far more cruel and hard place for women and children and will not stop while simultaneously placing the most dubious and unjust double standards on us all. Disabusing them where we can of the notion that a female can "choose" to be whatever she wants for no reason beyond than because she chooses to is important. It's time we stop playing dress up, tea time and the other pretend games of feminism.

This episode brings to mind the Tailhook scandal of the '90s. Remember that one? A gaggle of Navy female aviators willingly ran a bawdy gauntlet of groping and grabbing male counterparts after an evening of drinking and rowdiness. Seems it was all in good fun, a recent tradition since the gals were admitted to the club and at the time no one seriously objected to it. Then Patsy Schroeder got a hold of it as a club to strike a blow against the Patriarchy. After honorable men prostrated themselves and heads rolled Elaine Donnelly, if I remember correctly, revealed an interesting glimpse into the looking glass world of feminist warrior "equality". Seems that during training to resist interrogation should they be shot down and captured there was one techinque that would turn the males every time and without laying a finger on them- the sounds of a female comrade being brutalized nearby. No matter, the Navy embarked on another training regimen to desensitize the males to those sounds thus quelling the protective instinct. Feminists would argue its another great leap forward to be tortued fair and square free from the patronizing interfence of men, no doubt. All so Neanderthal don't you know and just another vestige of male dominance keeping the gals down. Then, after training our boys to ignore the pleas of tormented women, our genius social engineers were shocked, SHOCKED they would brush off the girl's giggling protests during some voluntary co-ed monkeyshines.

Tailhook neatly encapsulates how liberals have managed to make the world a worse place for women by placing them in danger and conditioning the men to both accept it and turn their back on women's suffering while at the same time holding the men to a different standard, a double standard, of behavior in another place and time...all according to the woman's "choice". Feminism offers no place for a man's choice. A cartoon I saw at the time summed it up. Two female soldiers are all geared up with packs and rifles and talking to each other. One, your typical looking urban liberal broad with lipstick, a string of pearls and frizzy hair is complaining, "We could do just as good a job if the boys would stop being mean to us".

Feminists have always wanted it both ways. To play with the boys on supposedly "equal terms" but counting on our old fashioned deference. They admit it themselves, albeit obliquely, when they openly acknowledge they cannot compete in a heavier class or that physical requirements should be lowered for them as when West Point took to training in sneakers because boots were causing disproportionate problems for girls. But men do have a choice and it is this- take women at their word when they assert they can compete on male terms in any arena. Mr. Northrup should have taken Ms. Hale at her word and cleaned her clock as the upcoming champion he is. That is how to deal with the feminist double-standard and should they protest, simply point out, as I have for years, "You've come a long way baby, you're one of us now". And boys play rough. No mercy, no dispensation, no deference...just like another guy.

Or, as H.L. Mencken purportedly once said, "So, the girls want to be equal with the boys? God help them when they get it."

Mike| 3.3.11 @ 10:08AM

Mark

Your post reminded me of an incident I had at an Army leadership school I attended. I spent my career as a grunt. This school was generic and thus contained soldiers that were not combat arms and also included females.

Leadership is tested at these schools by conducting combat patrols, where, much as in real combat, you have a mission to accomplish and not enough resources to use.

My patrol was an ambush and my limited resource was time. So we were in a hurry to get in place and we were late. A simple linear ambush. So as each member of my patrol came up to me I grabbed their web gear,pulled them close, and whispered to them to go past the last man in line and get in place, then pushed them off in the direction they needed to go. This method has a proven track record for communicating in highly stressful situations.

We got in place in time and conducted a successful ambush and I received the needed passing grade.

Later I had to explain myself to the commandant in reply to an accusation of sexual harrassment and assault. It seems that a female member of my patrol took exception to being treated like one of the boys. This is typical feminist behavior in my experience.

Fortunately for my career the comandant was an old Infantry guy and understood there was no assault and took care of the issue but the lesson has stuck with me for a long time. Watch yourself around the left, particularly the feminists.

Pound for pound guys are just stronger than girls. What will we be hearing from the left when some girl has the crap beat out of her because she is not the exception the laws of nature?

Just saying...

Mike Johnston
SFC USA (RET)

Mark Shepler| 3.3.11 @ 11:02AM

Appreciate the insights. Reminds me of a video clip from the Panama invasion. Two female supply truck drivers were ordered to make a run on a road down which the sounds of combat echoed. They were standing in the road blubbering and steadfastly refusing to go, quite literally flat out refusing a lawful order. Their CO stood helpless and confused, unsure of himself as regards their disposition but certain sending them would be sheer folly. If I recall, the outcome was what we'd expect- two men went in their place while they retreated to the fainting couch.

Since then, of course, many women have served bravely, honorably and paid the ultimate price for us. I have a young in-law who's a Lt. in the Air Force and was formerly stationed at Nellis where he oversaw a testing process on the F-22. A few years ago while in Vegas we stopped to say hello and get the dime tour of the base. He took us into the flight room where we met, passing in the hall, a female A-10 pilot famous throughout the service for sucessfully returning with the most shot up Warthog of the Iraq war after a signal CAS mission. She was all of 5'5" or so, weighed no more than 115lbs and by her demeanor and absent the olive-tan jumpsuit you'd guessed her a sweet natured staff member, school teacher, nurse or such. But she was a fearsome killer and skilled pilot respected both in the air and by grateful grunts on the ground.

So, my point is not to denigrate women but rather the foolish and destructive notion that they can have all the world and reality as they wish, when they wish and society must reorder itself to comport with their "choices" no matter how unrealistic or harmful. Worse still is the idea that we, us males that is, have had to kowtow to for 40 years that all the choices reside with them and we're to forgo any and shut up about it, too.

Occam's Tool| 3.3.11 @ 3:54PM

What an idiotic woman. Probably no real experience in getting pawed...

Mike| 3.3.11 @ 10:12AM

Just to add something to my above comment. Here is the bottom line I see from the feminist movement:

"I want to play in your game but you have to change the rules for me cause I am a girl"

I have always wanted to officially say to one of them: "You wanna play here you play by my rules or get the hell out."

Oh well, won't happen but I can dream.

Mike Johnston
SFC USA (RET)

wbheff| 3.3.11 @ 10:21AM

Mr. Shepler;

Well written, Sir and I agree with you, particularly about creating different standards of physical capability for women. I will tell, though, that the change that was made from doing daily PT in boots, to doing it in running shoes, was long overdue, and came too late in my case. A couple of years before I retired from the Army, Navy doctors completed a study which determined that the high number of ankle, shin and knee problems that Marines were having resulted from running in boots, which are not particularly good for running long distances. These doctors recommended that the running be done wearing, surprise! running shoes, which are designed for running long distances. The Marines saw the wisdom of this, made the change, and, since it was the Marines that did it, the Army followed suit. had the Air Force led the way on this change, the Army would still be running in boots!
Alas, it was too late for me, and the arthritis I enjoy in my knees and hips, can be attributted largely to all those years of running in combat boots.

Slainte!

Heffernan

Mark Shepler| 3.3.11 @ 11:44AM

Hey Heffernan, no doubt true and I will defer to your judgment. But at the time the Army's expressed reason was that it was but one change of many due to the gender "disparity" of outcomes. Also, I suspect there's a bit of making a virtue out of political and politically correct necessity, no?

I've worked out seriously for 30 years and whenever in the gym I see a buddy suddenly working out with a new girlfriend or something I always rib them. I ask, "you know what happens when you work out with girls, don't you?". "No, what?", they ask, uncertainly. "You work out like girls" is my retort. The fleeting look of fear of emasculation that flashes across their face is priceless. :) And it's true for they naturally avoid the heaviest upper body exercises because the girls simply cannot do them. Hell, the vast majority of females can't even spot most guys on some exercises, say like serious benching. So, unconsciously, automatically the fellow ratchets down his own exertions to accommodate her.

This is precisely why the girls in Mr. Tyrrell's piece will not go into the heavier classes where the boys' natural upper body strength and development simply outclass them. They are tacitly yielding to reality. So their insistence on competing with the smaller, lighter boys is also really a tacit admission- they'll only compete with those they perceive as more like them. But I'd bet even the smaller boys could beat them if they were not subject to the pernicuous double standard that kicks in by the very request the girls join them. To refuse is unegalitarian and, egads, chauvinist, but to fight them as he might another boy even worse- it's unchilvalrous to her feelings and an old code we're not supposed to honor anymore unless she wants us to which is pretty much any time and place they "choose" which is to say when it gives an advantage. Should he forget the code and beat her soundly the opprobrium due a brutish lout will be his reward. This is the probable and cause of the laughable report that, "Ms. Hale '"kept the boy subdued on his hands and knees,..."' He was probably pondering the double-bind society has him in, not her hold on him. The doublethink of it all is maddening.

Meanwhile, the poor young lads who are just looking for honorable and wholesome competition where the outcomes are just and truly fair are deprived by these perversities.

loulou| 3.3.11 @ 10:26AM

I think the name of the female aviator who got affirmative actioned in was Karen Hultgren. Idiot crashed the plane resulting in the loss of millions of dollars in one shot. Heckuva job.

da monk| 3.3.11 @ 7:39PM

Loulou: Are you claiming NO MALE aviators crashed their MILLION dollar aircraft? Where is your logic? A combat pilot is a combat pilot no matter gender.

loulou| 3.3.11 @ 9:00PM

No. A male is a combat pilot. A female is an affirmative action "combat pilot."
Get the difference?

Ole Sarge| 3.6.11 @ 12:36PM

If this is the female pilot I am thinking of, they don't crash their aircraft into the approach end of the carrier deck. This gal did fix the problem, I believe it killed her, the back seater got out.

You sound like on of those fawning leftist.

CalMark| 3.3.11 @ 3:29PM

Dead on!

When I was in Navy Aviation Preflight Indoctrination (API) in Pensacola, the obstacle course was a shining example of feminism. Men had to scale an 8 foot wall without a rope, the women, 5 foot (as I recall). As for the infamous 12-foot wall with rope (seen in "Officer and a Gentleman"), the ladies just had to slap the wall with their hand as they ran by. And they got about 50% more time to run the course and pass.

Another story. Summer ROTC training, on patrol. The female patrol leader kept telling me she was "going to freak out." As assistant patrol leader, I not only had to do my job, and hers, but keep her from going to pieces--and she was so near the edge, it was a close-run thing. Her grade was "Excellent," and she was praised for fantastic leadership; my grade was "Fair"--hemming and hawing, the officer instructor--a real politically correct fella--came up with a reason only when I pressed him, one that nobody later thought made any sense.

And they wonder why there's a retention problem.

Ole Sarge| 3.6.11 @ 12:40PM

The sad part of all of this is that when these ladies are required to perform in the real world, it will get a lot of good military types killed.

I have put up with the good ole girl standard since about 72, retired in 84, civilian world actually expects you to do the job.

CalMark| 3.3.11 @ 3:29PM

Dead on!

And they wonder why there's a retention problem.

CalMark| 3.3.11 @ 3:30PM

Sorry about the double-post. Browser glitch.

Nunya| 3.3.11 @ 4:53PM

Mark, excellent post. You are absolutely right on the money.

MikeD| 3.3.11 @ 7:16PM

You have to go back to the basic liberal/dem philosophy: Achieve our objective of assured outcomes for all WE determine to be victimized. Of course, it will destroy our Country, but that's exactly what these morons, led by barry the muslim, want. They are vermin to be eradicated. Don't worry though, the muslims will do it for us when they over-run us while the chicks are checking their lipstick and the liberal men will be wiping their butts after crapping their pants.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. No way around it.

David W| 3.3.11 @ 8:24AM

Unfortunately I agree with you - I think it would be interesting if a boy were to go all out (following the rules of course) and wipe the mat with her. It's a no win situation - treat women as equals but if you "beat" them then you are not a nice person.

JF| 3.3.11 @ 4:10PM

Absolutely right, and I say this based on a family member's personal experience. My nephew is on the high school wrestling team and had a girl as an opponent. His attitude was if she was going to be there she made herself a target. Not only did he beat her (handily), but she experienced a "wardrobe malfunction" as well, for which he was blamed.

MikeD| 3.3.11 @ 7:21PM

Remember what happened in the New York Senate race a few years ago. Mark Lasio was wiping the floor with Hillary until she sniffled and played the 'wounded little girl'. There was no way he was going to win that election.

I agree with you. If the girls want to play with the boys, make it on equal terms. Then wipe the floor with them. Males and females should NOT be wrestling in public. Intersexual wrestling is a two member team sport to be practised in private between loving, consenting adults. Leave it at that.

Grzmlyk| 3.3.11 @ 10:02AM

Don't you know that there is absolutely no difference between the sexes, except for those differences that our bigoted, evil, white, male-dominated culture has arbitrarily and without a shred of biological evidence assigned to them since cavepersons first emerged from their hunter-gatherer enclaves and men began their long and ignominious legacy of oppressing femayles?

Why, the myth that men's bone and muscle are differently constructed, or that men tend to be larger and stronger than women, or have superior physical endurance, must be debunked, and I, for one, am glad the NY Times is at the forefront of this effort in the name of womyn's issues.

I recall how, during the early days of the Iraq war, the NY Times joyously declared a victory for feminism when Jessica Lynch, the unfortunate, very diminutive and very ill-suited femayle soldier, was captured, raped and tortured by savages (and, as a footnote, was later rescued by burly men at great personal risk and expense).

The only thing that would have made the Times prouder than a good rape in the name of feminism would have been if Jessica went on to have half a dozen abortions.

When will you Chauvinists learn that there's just nothing a womyn cannot do if only she could overcome the prejudice and bigotry of superfluous, inferior men?

I, for one - along with Pinch Sulzberger, Bill Keller, Paul Krugman, Tom Friedman, Frank Rich and the rest of the progressive clown car good "new boy" network that is the NY Times - look forward to the day when the only men to be seen are either in museum exhibits or strapped down, lobotomized and lying prostrate in the occasional commercial sperm farms. I cannot wait to see an entire company of infantry women, carrying 100 lbs of gear in the desert, all ovulating in unison, kicking the asses of our enemies.

Whoopsie! Major faux pas! Once womyn rule the earth, we will have no enemies. Still, it should be fun to see how our gyrls reconcile America's male-dominated legacy of testosterone-fueled hate with the pristine, noble, good-hearted barbarians who promulgate murderous, brutal, misogynistic, fundamentalist Islam.

On second thought, maybe our new uteryne warryors can engage in a national "take a terrorist to work" day, or conduct an aggressive Yoga Outreach Program, or perhaps share a positively decadent latte with a jihadist over a really emotional segment of Oprah.

There's no bonding experience on Gaia’s soon-to-be-green earth like a good mutual cry.

I can't wait for social justice to arrive, and you can write me down now as happy to volunteer to be one of the first evil, knuckle dragging males to strut into the nearest liquidation chamber in the name of gyrl power.

Until then, all I can say is, YOU GO, GYRLS!

wbheff| 3.3.11 @ 10:23AM

Jonathan Swift would be proud of you!!!!!

Grzmlyk| 3.3.11 @ 10:43AM

Thank you, wbheff.

We are now so far down the rabbit hole, you just have to laugh even as the real world comes apart at the seams.

Missouri David | 3.3.11 @ 11:08AM

Our problem stems from from forgetting our roots, Had we continued to use the Bible in school we would not be in the moral morass we are in today. We know men and women are different, God madus that way, but when we forget our roles and have no decent institution as the family, and the father neglects his responsibility to God and country and so to fambly, we have what we have in the U.S. today, Predator Bills and Sick Hilarys!
As WASPs we ought to be proud of who we are and what we have done, ask for forgiveness we have failed, also we should remember chivalry too! Thanks Emmet and Merry Christmas!
ps as a varsity freshman93lbs in 98lbs class, I wonder would I have allowed those feminists to pin me with out a reversal???

old white guy| 3.3.11 @ 3:19PM

come on man. when i was a kid i would have loved wrestling a nubile co student. unfortunately we did not have wrestling for either sex.

mames| 3.3.11 @ 3:21PM

Say what you will but most of the girls I have seen wrestling barely pass as girls in the first place. Bottom line just crush them like any other opponent. Women can be great athletes too but never will they beat men or be as interesting to watch ( except for beach volleyball) as men. There are no professional women's teams in any sport that can capture the box office of men. 'Just another denial of reality by the left.

Occam's Tool| 3.3.11 @ 7:40PM

Concur.

Alan Brooks| 3.3.11 @ 8:56PM

No one would want to wrestle Michelle Bachman, they would rather wrestle Britney Spears.

Handy| 3.5.11 @ 11:12AM

Throughout my many years I have "wrestled" with lots of girls/women. There were no referees, but somehow we both seemed to win. At least, we got to the finish line. Didn't seem to matter who was on top or who got pinned. Sometimes she came in first; sometimes I did.

Appleby| 3.3.11 @ 7:05AM

Whose mother would bring up her daughter to behave like this?

By the way, I am wholly behind the young man who forfeited the match; obviously HE had a mother who knew.

Bryan Dilts| 3.3.11 @ 7:29AM

My son was nearly kicked off the high school wrestling team for refusing to practice wrestling with a girl. Thankfully her parents said it was okay if my son did practice bouts with only male wrestlers, avoiding her. The problem is not only in the tournaments, it is in the 2 hours of daily practice.

RT| 3.3.11 @ 7:51AM

It shouldn't be too surprising that it's come to this - most modern action movies consist of 110 lb. women karate kicking 250 lb. men into submission. The cartoons are more realistic, with their falling anvils and whatnot.

old white guy| 3.3.11 @ 3:31PM

i love it. the laws of physics be damned.

Occam's Tool| 3.3.11 @ 3:59PM

Again, the situation would be clairified if the boys kicked the stuffing out of the girls. But co-ed adolescent wresting is idiotic.

Hillel| 3.3.11 @ 7:58AM

Another argument for the private automobile. I hate to report how often my sisters had to suffer frotteurs and weenie wagers on the New York Subway.

KyMouse| 3.3.11 @ 10:36AM

Hillel, that happened to me as well when I lived in Brooklyn and took the D in to work in Manhattan.

A female friend of mine who is very petite was walking up the subway stairs in NYC one day when a man on the platform below reached up her dress.

She let out a yell that broke glass 20 blocks away, leaped over the bannister, and chased the astonished man down the platform. He made it through the closing doors of a train right before she reached him.

I don't know which one of them would have won that fight, but I know she would have given him a run for his money. And I hope he kept his hands where they belonged after that.

Appleby| 3.3.11 @ 2:29PM

In the days of yore, young women who rode the subway at rush hour carried hatpins -- the long sharp objects with a handy knob on the end -- that quickly let Mr. Happy Hands know where he got off. This was somethign mothers used to teach their daughters, along with the look of freezing scorn that would answer casual obscenity and profanity in her presence, etc. But of course that only works if she doesn't behave like a sailor on shore leave in her daily life.

I am an old-fashioned feminist who was barred from becoming a racing journalist by the Fraternity because it was considered "bad luck" to have Girls on pitlane at all, much less actually talking to drivers and crew. When women began to assert our right to do interviews, we were told that "you might hear bad language" etc. The funniest excuse I was ever given was "you might see a man in his underwear." I responded to that by saying that our family received the Sears Catalogue regularly and I was quite familiar, thank you, with the sight of men in their underwear.

Through the last 6 years or so of working as a reporter, I have in fact seen men in their Nomex long johns, to nobody's detriment. I have also noticed that the majority of men do not use opprobrious epithets while being interviewed, and if the odd word slips out, most will look embarrassed and murmur "pardon my French."

As for "bad luck" attending Girls in the pitlane, I find that it does not affect those whose minds are on their jobs, which comprises all the successful ones.

My point being that while hand to hand combat of any kind should be extremely limited between men and women, the same excuses are used to prohibit women from even SPEAKING to men for no reason other than because we are in fact women. Yes, these excuses are still used -- or put forward, anyway. Just read back over this thread and you will see.

mames| 3.3.11 @ 3:28PM

I want to interview in the ladies locker room. Is that OK? I really do love and understand the intricacies of golf and I think I could do a great job covering the LPGA. I would not even mind if they use opprobrious epithets or came in naked.

old white guy| 3.3.11 @ 3:33PM

i'm thinking appleybe wouldn't approve.

MikeD| 3.3.11 @ 7:30PM

Good Post. I only would like to add one thing. Why is it not appropriate for male reporters to enter female locker rooms to do interviews, but it is fine for the ladies to go into the men's locker room? I know the answer; because men and women are certainly wired differently. But, don't play the "double Standard" game unless you're ready to go all the way.

I watched a male/female wrestling match. The young man tried everything to get out of it until the girl started taunting him. So, he wrestled her; and won 46-0. He could have pinned her any time he wanted, but he thought he'd take advantage of the situation to practice every chest and crotch hold he knew, over and over and over. By the end of that match, there wasn't a square inch of her body he didn 't know intimately. When the score was announced and the ref held his hand high, he had the widest smile I'd ever seen.

Of course, the girl's parents went ballistic and screamed bloody murder, but no rules were broken. But two young people learned all the wrong lessons.

Richard Baker| 3.3.11 @ 8:21AM

And the first time one of the boy wrestlers cross-faces the girl and blood flows and pain ensues the females will then cry "Violence against women!" Insanity! I agree with the boy in Iowa.

Melvin| 3.3.11 @ 8:22AM

There are sports for males, there are sports for females, and there are sports that both can compete against each other with a sense of proper athletic decorum.
I find it difficult to digest, that females demand usually through legislation and the courts that they must be included in every single male sport that males partake in.
Take the US Navy as an indirect example. A ship of the line currently on station in the Persian Gulf has had it's skipper and one of the female chiefs along with others for inappropriate conduct creating an atmosphere of distrust and low moral
amongst the ships crew.
Females have kicked and screamed their way into areas where is has brought nothing but trouble for both sexes.
This young lady who is wrestling in the male division should not eve be there. Let the sport create a female division, and let it support itself.
And if any person is going to stand there and say that any wrestling match when this girl is pitted against a male is fair, then they don't know their backside from their elbow.
Either the male is going to hold back because he doesn't want to hurt the girl, or the girl will be hopelessly crushed by a male who sees no gender in the match, but either way the match up will not be fair to the young lady, and what does that accomplish?

Mark Shepler| 3.3.11 @ 8:43AM

"...what does this accomplish?". It re-asserts reality and begins to put an end to feminist nonsense in one more arena. Just as the younger generations of girls more and more find abortion morally abhorrent and that they neither cannot nor necessarily want "to have it all" as the sisterhood promised, so too will other myths and lies fall as they learn they are not the "same as us, except for the plumbing."

The girls acknowledge this reality themselves when they eschew moving up in weight class. So says "Kent Bailo, the director of the United States Girls Wrestling Association. '"The boys beat them up; they get clobbered. It's no fun."'

Well, it's no fun for the boys in the lighter classes to be put in this bind simply because the girls want to delude themselves and insist we play on their terms. Why can't honorable young men, like Mr. Northrup, have a wholesome outlet without being subjected to feminist madness? It also helps the girls in that it ends the notion the choices are all on their side. That they can have their way when it suits them, counting on our deference and acquiescence, but bow out when the going gets tough.

It's never a bad thing for society to acknowledge reality and in our case, far past time we do again.

MikeD| 3.3.11 @ 8:28AM

Just the latest example of the cesspool that America has become. The culprits are quickly visible: First, the incredibly stupid parents of the girls, who are so afraid that their little dynamo of energy might not get to be some kind of champion. But what would happen if the boy took every LEGAL AND ETHICAL opportunity to grope every square inch of her young body? Who'd be screaming then? And, would that behavior be punished the same as if done on the schoolyeard or in the park?

Then come the lawyers, usually hired by the demented parents with more money than brains, who force everybody to change the system to accomodate mom's or dad's lust for vicarious glory through their daughter. Then, of course, are the school administrators who do not have the gonadic spheroids to "JUST SAY NO!" But, they can't, because daddy and mommy will bleat and cry until somebody gets sued and their little flower gets the right to be groped and prodded and grabbed. I hope she enjoys it, because her opponent is going to experience more of her anatomy that anybody else ever has, probably until she loses her virginity; which, with parents like her's, won't be all that much longer. (If it hadn't happened yet; especially if she's into puberty.)

What's the most amazing thing is that the jackasses among us, almost exclusively on the left, like hollywood, dems, libs, lawyers, fems, you name it; are forcing, and celebrating the things that make muslims DESPISE us. Frankly, as hateful as they, and their religion are, in cases like this, they're not really off base. Along with the Europeans, we have turned into a caracture of what we used to laugh at and point out as the lowest kinds of behavior. Since the "elites", as characterized by barry and his dem criminals, hollywood, and the rest of the 'so called' determiners of culture have sunk deep into the swamp of using the worst behaviors as the supposedly cultural "common denominator"; we just may be so far gone that we'll get what we deserve. We're going from the "Shining City on the Hill" to the "Strip Club Part of the Slums". The worst of it all is that, not only does nobody care, but the 'elites' feature it and proudly proclaim that they've proven that the sexes are equal and that there's no difference between men and women. Yes there is. Women are the superior beings, and they don't even seem to care that they've been cheapened into playthings for liberal causes and just another toy for the elites' pleasure. And women were SO superior. "You've slid a long way baby"... how low can you go?

scotchieguy| 3.3.11 @ 1:31PM

Wow. Nicely put. I was gonna ad my two cents but you completely stole my thunder. It really all comes down to these moronic, narcissistic parents, doesn't it? They are the same fools who put "my kid is an honor student" and "my kid can beat up your honor student" bumper stickers on their vehicles. Nothing has destroyed this country more than these silly, spoiled yuppies , and how they have raised their little brats. My latest little hobby is reading the sports page for trendy kid's names in high school sports, esp. the girls sports. These are not made-up names--they are among thousands that these yuppie parents have "invented" for the entire world to see how unique their precious child is:

Aliceson
Jinger
Aleks
Jaci (jackie?)
Ashli
Erykah
Khaiti
Andra
Maddi
Jaimee
Traci
Taylr
and...my fav--Stay-c

Nunya| 3.3.11 @ 6:06PM

Scotchie, nice list. I read the following (that I am reprinting from memory), and was told that it was a true name, though I cannot confirm.

The child's given name was: Le - a. When asked how this was pronounced, the mother stated "Ledasha". When asked how she possibly came up with that, the mother said "The dash don't be silent."

It's a sad, sad world....

MikeD| 3.3.11 @ 7:42PM

Scotchieguy,
Well stated. And thanks for the compliment. Anytime any of the usual posters extend a compliment it is well received because we consider the source; smart and well spoken Americans. I loved your list!

Occam's Tool| 3.3.11 @ 4:02PM

As usual, Mike---brilliant. The decline of traditional values has NOT helped the family. Men need to have drives sublimated.

Vern Crisler | 3.3.11 @ 9:06AM

So, I suppose it won't be long before repressed frotteurs organize for a repeal of DADT.

Nightmare on Obama Street| 3.3.11 @ 9:25AM

Another end product of the marxist/progressive moral rot that permeates all levels of our culture. How apt that the girl won the wrestling championship in that hotbed of socialism Vermont. This is so wrong on so many levels.

Melvin| 3.3.11 @ 9:27AM

As I have noted before this type of horse squeeze by the Pat Schroeders, and the GI Janes of this Country is now effecting our National Security.
I have noted in other areas, that if we pit hormones and discipline against each other. Hormones will win each and every time.
I know this is not Bull Halsey's Navy any more, but the threat is to our Country are even more today than it was in pre WWII.
But when we have skippers being relieved for:
Crazed Captain of cruiser Cowpens endangers lives rag-racing destroyer McCain on high seas.
The two warships miss collision by only 300 feet !
"Horrible Holly"Graf as she was known by on the Cowpens was relieved of command for "Cruelty and maltreatment"of crew, and failed to report incident.
The Naval Academy graduate grabbed a fellow officer by throat, spat in a sailors face, and threatened to, "kill another."
Then the Pentagon tries to protect it's first female skipper of guided missile cruiser, in line for promotion to Rear Admiral, despite terrible record.
Is this the type of leadership that we want? This Navy Captain should have been cashiered out of the Navy but the Pentagon protects her, for promotion to Rear Admiral.
This type of leadership exhibited by Captain Graf is not indicative to go order and discipline.
I have personally have seen a female SNCO get away with two DUI's within one week, get relived from her job as Communications chief, feigned a malady that only only her to work half days, but was well enough to go out to a bar and fight another woman, and you know what the Marine Corps went and did????? The promoted her to E7.
The then Commandant of the Marine Gen. Krulack stood in-front of a group of us and uttered, "If any SNCO get busted for a DUI they will be immediately administratively discharged from the Marine Corps."
I guess this only applied to male Marines.

Brumby| 3.3.11 @ 9:37AM

Morning Mates,
I've just bounced on this site and it is fascinating! I'm learning lots about how Yanks think; although I'm not too sure what libs and lefties and dems quite are. I guess the dems are your democratic party; but who are the gops?

I finally got brave enuff to post on you, so be patient with me. We have liberals down here, but they are nothing like yours. I'm gusssing that your democrats are sort of like our labour party.

Anyway, we get poofs in our faces all the time; wanting rights to do everything in public. They make me sick! Our pols in parliament are much the same as yours, kissin any group's bum for a vote. We have to vote, it's the law; and that seems to work out so far. Our pols yell at each other, but what's with some senators in your Wisconsin just takin off an going walkabout? That would get them kicked out on their arses here.

When I get the guts to try again you will hear me.

Cheers!

Melvin| 3.3.11 @ 10:30AM

Brumby, please step in any time you like. Good hearing from our neighbors across the pond. Fear not your not alone with louts that you have in Parliament. Our Congressmen and Senator seem to suffer from the same dreaded affliction.
Don't be shy in our opinions. American Spectator is a home to many of us, and there is always room for one more.

Ken (Old Texican)| 3.3.11 @ 11:03AM

Brumby, welcome to the conversation!

I'm with Melvin.
By the way, lefties, libs, and whatnot are simply communists, (pardon the shorthand), in disguise, or merely "useful idiots" for them.

Also by the way, we get a lot of their apologists dropping in here to throw turds in the punch-bowl.
Just laugh and ignore them. We call them "trolls".

Stoddard| 3.3.11 @ 3:24PM

Judging from his language, I think he is "down under" rather than "across the pond."

John Navratil| 3.3.11 @ 11:05AM

GOP - Grand Old Party (the Republicans)

scotchieguy| 3.3.11 @ 1:37PM

What a breath of fresh air!~I love your terminology, bloak! "poofs in our face," "kissing any group's bum." As for the 14 AWOL Senators who are at "an undisclosed location" in Illinois, we in the States call them "chicken-bleep." Cheerio!

Occam's Tool| 3.3.11 @ 4:07PM

Aussies always welcome. GOP stands for Grand Old party, or Republicans, who TEND to be more Conservative (not always so in the past, much more so now, as the Democrats and Republicans become more ideologically polarized).

I hope that was helpful. I practiced for 14 months in N-zed; that gave me an appreciation for Oz.

Brumby| 3.3.11 @ 7:53PM

BRUMBY HERE,
It's Thursday lunch down here. Thanks much for the kudos. I'll be back for more. And thanks to John & Mr. Occam for the lesson about the GOP. Where did that GOP think start? Was it a real party? I'm not quite right with it yet, but I'm gettin it a bit at a time.

Cheers!

Occam's Tool| 3.4.11 @ 1:59AM

OK. The Republican party started in the 1850s; it's major platform was opposing the spread of slavery in the Federal territories that were to become States. Fremont was the first candidate for President in 1856; he lost to the worst President in US history (so far---Obama will have to suffer a WMD on US soil to be worse, although he's trying real hard), James Buchanan. Lincoln was the 1st Republican US President.

But let me quote the invaluable website The Straight Dope, which, like Snopes, is a great filter of crap from reality:

Why is the Republican party called the GOP? And why the elephant?
Dear Straight Dope:

What does GOP stand for and how did it start?

Why are Republicans represented as elephants and Democrats as

donkeys?

— Jerry J.

The Republican Party started in the 1850's, formed from a split in the Democratic party, whose members, primarily abolitionists, felt the Democrats were no longer representing their interests. They decided to call themselves Republicans because they felt their ideals were very similar to Jefferson's Democratic-Republican party. After the Civil War, the upstart Republicans were perceived as the party that won the war. Now firmly entrenched in the federal government, they were ironically dubbed the "Gallant Old Party," which soon became the "Grand Old Party," which was soon shortened to the familiar acronym "GOP."

In 1874, it was rumored that U. S. Grant would run for an unprecedented third term. As the rumors were surfacing, there was also a contemporary urban legend that several animals had escaped from the New York Zoo. Thomas Nast, the most popular and influential cartoonist of the time, took the opportunity to combine the two in a cartoon for The New Yorker magazine, representing the Republicans as elephants, docile but unmoveable when calm, unstoppable and destructive when excited. The cartoon, entitled "The Third Term Panic," depicted the Republican vote as an elephant running inexorably into a tar pit of inflation and chaos. Interestingly, the elephant was running away from the already established Democratic donkey, dressed in a lion's skin. This was Nast's take on the Democrats' view of Grant as Caesar, and their feeling that they had an obligation to play Brutus before he let the power of his office corrupt him.

The donkey predated Nast by three decades, when it was used during Andrew Jackson's campaign, initially by his opponents, calling him a 'jackass' for his populist policies. Well known as stubborn, however, Jackson decided to co-opt the mascot, and used it to his own advantage. After Jackson retired, he was still looked at as a party leader, even though the party refused to be led, and the 1837 cartoon "A Modern Baalim and his Ass" showed him leading a donkey which refused to follow. However, the donkey image was not popularized until the ubiquitous Nast adopted it, first depicting the party as a kicking donkey, attacking Lincoln's secretary of war Edwin Stanton even after his death in an 1870 cartoon for Harper's Weekly.

In other words, both animals were chosen for their negative qualities, such as stubbornness and willy-nilly destruction, and then adopted by the parties for their positive attributes, and neither party has been stubborn or destructive ever since.

— Ian

And there you go.

Occam's Tool| 3.4.11 @ 2:00AM

The part "neither party has been" is an example of what we call "tongue in cheek," Brumby.

Steve A| 3.3.11 @ 9:45AM

I'm not so sure about all of this. I would pay big pay per view $$ to watch Hillary vs. Barak. $20 says Hillary pins him first round.

John Navratil| 3.3.11 @ 11:14AM

Steve A,

I suspect you would win your bet, but I'll stay outside on the patio with a beer. The spectacle is too horrible to contemplate, let alone watch :O

Steve A| 3.3.11 @ 2:54PM

John, You make some valid points. Especially the beer....

JRGierlach| 3.3.11 @ 11:42AM

Sucker Bet!

Kurt in S.L.C.| 3.3.11 @ 4:46PM

I'm taking bets on both sides of what a "wardrobe malfunction" would reveal ;-)

MikeD| 3.3.11 @ 7:54PM

On which one? Just the thought is nauseating.

Alfred| 3.3.11 @ 9:59AM

Feminists will crow about this Vermont girl as proof that girls can compete with boys. Putting aside the legitimate, valid moral and societal considerations, her proponents neglect to point out that her 103 weight class eliminates almost all, but a few short, skinny physically immature 15 year old boys, whereas she's reached physical maturity. Her pool of potential opponents (especially in Vermont) is further reduced by the fact that most boys this small exhibit little interest in sports - having learned through painful experience and ridicule, that they are unable to compete in football, baseball, and the other mainstream sports. Despite the moral objections, I'm impressed with her physical prowess - but let's try to keep her acomplishment in its proper perspective.

Vaemar| 3.3.11 @ 10:07AM

What liberal woman could one wrestle with? Lauren Bacall is, sadly, too old. Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard, with a nose extraordinarily like a woodpecker's bill, presents dangers of impalement, and no-one would want to physically touch Jane Fonda, at least not without washing facilities handy. It is all very difficult ...

Occam's Tool| 3.4.11 @ 2:01AM

You know, Jane Russell, in her prime, had the best Hollywood bod ever. She was also a Republican.

loulou| 3.3.11 @ 10:28AM

What kind of girl wants to wrestle??
What's wrong with lacrosse and field hockey? Or tennis, swimming or track?

I guess she's confused and will be a candidate for sexual reassignment surgery.

J.C.Eaton| 3.3.11 @ 10:36AM

It's all just bull-shit.

michigander_sandusky| 3.3.11 @ 11:29AM

Eaton: Eloquently and succinctly stated! I wrestled in high school and would not have wrestled a girl. Mom and Pop taught me better insofar as the treatment of the female of the species is concerned. I feel for the poor kid that lost to a girl. I imagine he found it hard to go all out which probably contributed to the loss.

Thomas| 3.3.11 @ 10:40AM

There is a reason why civilized societies instill respect for their female members and erect taboos against males physically assaulting them. The reason is to protect the females. Males and females, of the same weight, have a similar amount of muscle mass, until the age of 13, when males begin to develop muscle mass at a greater rate. By the time the individual reaches 20 yoa, the average female has only about 80% of the muscle mass of the average male. This makes the male significantly stronger. And, in a competitive situation that requires strength, which includes unarmed combat, the male enjoys a significant strength advantage.

To protect females from being physically dominated, and beaten if they don't submit, society instills, or attempts to instill, in its male members respect for females, a desire to protect them and taboos against directing physical violence against the female gender. The last thing our society needs is for women to be treated the same as men. Encouraging females to engage in combat sports against men, and encouraging men to accept that, will have a tendency for men to treat women like men. Something that no one really wants, including the feminist activists who espouse it.

JRGierlach| 3.3.11 @ 11:48AM

But what is also missed is another physilogical difference that I have seen time and time again- after first impact, a male's peripheral nervous system is ignored by the Central Nervous System. I have taken shots that left grapefruit sized bruises and never recalled getting hit.

hunter| 3.3.11 @ 10:55AM

Would boys be able to wrestle on the girls teams where they had girls teams? If the country has to reinstate the draft will women be forced to register for the draft and be drafted? If a young man signs up for military service today will he be working in communications? Transportation? No he will be handed a rifle and put on the front line, so to speak. The 'safer jobs' are for Jessica Lynch whose vehicle made a wrong turn and got lost. If the old crows want equal rights they can have them, but they don't want equal rights for themselves, its for others. Just like the old crows they themselves can't handle equal rights and it pisses them off...Speaking of which, I bet they have stand up urinals in their home bathrooms just to practice trying to be something they are not and never will be. Good night ladies!

Mark Shepler| 3.3.11 @ 11:55AM

Yeah, I'm still waiting for a male reporter's televised spot from a female team's locker room. :)

Steve A| 3.3.11 @ 2:29PM

Mark, At some point in my not too distant past, I played professional sports. When one of these reporter babes would come in the locker room, we had an unwritten mandatory no towel rule. If you did not let it all hang out, you got fined at the next kangaroo court hearing. Managers & coaches included. It was hillarious.

Occam's Tool| 3.3.11 @ 4:10PM

Dear Steve: A Rhodes Scholar, then? From your posts, you certainly have the brainpower.

CalMark| 3.3.11 @ 3:58PM

On Navy damage control teams, women handle communications, plotting, messengering, etc. Men do the heavy work.

Why? Women can't hack it on the hose teams or other strength-intensive jobs. They just don't have the strength.

In short, all these flowery b.s. stories about women pilots and female heroism aside, women can't hack it in the real military, and everyone knows it. That's why the Navy created such career fields (who almost never go to sea) like Administrative Officer, Personnel Officer, Data Systems Officer, filled mostly with--surprise!--women.

Peppermint Tea| 3.3.11 @ 11:23AM

Brumby,
The GOP is the grand old party, or republicans. Many of us are in the Libertarian wing of the GOP because of our 2-party system, and we frequently criticize the RINOs, or Republicans in Name Only, the spineless mealy mouthed pretenders such as our last GOP presidential candidate. Because the Dems all vote in block, it is hard to tell the commies from the anarchists from the socialists from the moral deviants--one thing is clear: they are all union lapdogs. They know who finances their lives. There was a rumor some dems are "blue dogs" or dems pretending to be conservative because of their districts but most of them were voted out last election.

Richard| 3.3.11 @ 11:50AM

The most mature and responsible individual here is the young man, master Northrup, who refused to wrestle the girl. Mr. Tyrell is quite right, teenage boys and girls wrestling one another is surely a pornographic event.

Michael L. Hauschild| 3.3.11 @ 11:51AM

I came from a school that only had enough students for basketball and football. I am 5’10’’ and played center on the basketball team. Back then we ONLY wrestled with girls, preferably cheerleaders, and it always was in the car.

Albert| 3.3.11 @ 12:28PM

Some people lived a charmed life. :-)

Occam's Tool| 3.3.11 @ 4:12PM

Dear Michael:

Who won?

Michael L. Hauschild| 3.3.11 @ 4:29PM

Ever listen to Meatloaf?

Occam's Tool| 3.3.11 @ 7:47PM

Dear Michael:

I hope you're not "waiting until the end of time." (Yeah, I like Mr. Loaf, as Christopher Lee once referred to him on SNL)

Big Jim| 3.3.11 @ 12:30PM

My son, a wrestler, at the time 10 or 11 years old, was in a tournament that had a girl in his bracket. As his coach, I told him to go out and pin her immeadiatly, don't mess around. She had already won one match by outpointing an incompotent boy. My son went out and pinned her in 4 seconds. She left the mat in tears and ran to her mommy's arms, her confidence forever shattered. I have 2 daughters. One expressed an interest in taking up wrestling. I knew she was just testing me. I told her she could not wrestle and we went on our way, both relieved. She lettered 4 years in swimming ( against other girls) and I was at every meet.

SeriousMan| 3.3.11 @ 3:34PM

"Her confidence forever shattered..."

Seriously? Did you write that with a straight face?

Who Knows?| 3.3.11 @ 12:44PM

Hilarious column, today!

Purple Lips| 3.3.11 @ 1:07PM

There is something very odd about teenage girls who choose to physically wrestle boys. I wonder how many of these girls will end up in the local LGBT chapter once they hit college?

SeriousMan| 3.3.11 @ 3:32PM

And there's not something odd about boys who choose to roll around on mat together in front of a crowd?

CalMark| 3.3.11 @ 3:52PM

And I wonder if there isn't something odd about the "Man" part of your moniker.

Wrestling has traditionally been a way by which men show strength and superiority. Or are you implying that they're all gay?

Occam's Tool| 3.3.11 @ 4:14PM

There's a science to it.

Nunya| 3.3.11 @ 6:18PM

Seriously? You name yourself SeriousMan and you make such an absurd comment like that? My father, my brother, and I all wrestled, I was by far the worst of the three, but if you'd like a demonstration just let me know. My guess is you wouldn't like the pain inflicted.

The Bruce| 3.3.11 @ 10:33PM

To necro a Seinfeld quote, "...not that there's anything wrong with that."

Doc| 3.24.11 @ 5:08PM

The only thing serious about you is your complete lack of manhood, its seriously missing, now do run along like a good little sissy and play with your dolls..

gladius| 3.3.11 @ 1:46PM

Brumby,

I am newbe myself but have been reading these folks for some time. They are a pretty decent bunch. The "blue dogs " were elected b/c they were Dems from conserative districts and everybody wanted change. They were decimated after 2yrs. b/c they kept on saying one think but voted party line Dem. hook,line and SINKER. They gave us Obama Care .

CalMark| 3.3.11 @ 3:49PM

A few years ago, the Washington Times reported that a high school girl had won the Maryland High School golf championship, playing against the boys. The authorities, needless to say, were ecstatic.

Except...she had played from the ladies' tees (oh, goodness, sorry about the sexist language--"forward tees"), with significantly shorter distances. On many courses, "forward" tees are also beyond hazards in play from men's tees. The boys, of course, had to play from the men's tees.

And the breathless excitement when now-retired women's golf great Annika Sorenstam played in a men's tournament. She missed the cut--not even close--but what courage, heroism even! (The guys who also missed the cut but finished ahead of Annika--bums, also-rans.)

We all freely acknowledge that women (excuse me, womyn) are superior to males, and it's only fair they get a little extra help to overcome unrealistic sexist constructs. Like championship golf tees.

Dave | 3.3.11 @ 3:50PM

Political and financial bubbles
http://www.psychology-advice.n.....al-bubbles

SF_Exile| 3.3.11 @ 4:42PM

There is a high school in MA - South Hadley, I think - where the girls' field hockey team has a boy or two on it. They complained that since there wasn't a boys' field hockey team at the school they had every right to join the girls. Equal opportunity, you know! Even the demand that the boys conform to the standard uniform did not deter them. What does that say?

No way| 3.3.11 @ 5:51PM

I can't believe this article was written by the man responsible for what I thought was a respectable web site. Goodbye Spectator.

Occam's Tool| 3.3.11 @ 7:49PM

This is The American Spectator, and it has always been edgy, "No way." I started reading it in the 1980s.

Mark Shepler| 3.3.11 @ 10:30PM

Goodbye, goodnight, good luck and good riddance!

GavInTucson| 3.3.11 @ 10:35PM

Can I have your stuff?

Cincinnatius| 3.3.11 @ 6:17PM

I was a Tomcat driver when the great social experiment was just getting started, i.e., women flying jets in the navy. They were coddled and pushed through training, unable to fail due to mandates from above. By the time of the Tail Hook incident, I was out, but had numerous friends who were there, but more importantly, I had former fellow officers, several of whom were among the most capable officers I had served with, have their careers trashed by the political correctness witch hunt that ensued after the charges were pressed. It was TOTAL BS!

MikeD| 3.3.11 @ 8:05PM

Remember "Mike's Law": Liberals and dems will do whatever they can to paint members of their protected classes as victims, and then buy their votes by heroically saving one of them. The fact that they are destroying out Country is an insignificant, but necessary, byproduct. Never forget that, not for one minute!

By the way, WELCOME ABOARD BRUMBY!

Occam's Tool| 3.4.11 @ 2:07AM

Indeed, welcome Brumby!

Now, I've gotta warn you Brumby, we have rules in the Department of Philosophy of the University of Woolloomooloo.... mind if we call you Bruce to minimize confusion?;)

Dee See| 3.3.11 @ 9:15PM

--MEANWHILE, the most awesomely genocidal
regime history has ever seen ----OWNS YOU.

Keep a goin' kiddies!

---Steroids, chem-trails and nachos---

JUST keep a goin'!

cicero| 3.3.11 @ 9:20PM

As a father of 4 daughters and 1 son, I had to get them through the mine field that was intergender sports. I made it a rule that the girls played in girls' leagues, and the boy played sports with other boys. It was pretty obvious that the girls had better coordination and maturity than the boys in the lower levels. However, in the intergender leagues, the boys not only learned that it was expected that boys and girls treat one another as equals physically, they resented the fact that the girls lorded they precosciousness over the boys. The worm turned at about 12 or 13. The boys, having learned that it was all right for boys and girls to compete physically took full advantage/revenge.
And we wonder why our girls are subject to abuse and a lack of respect from the young men? Young men, in any society, have a duty to protect the women and children from harm. If they were raised to compete physically with them, and have lingering memories of resentment from being embarasssed by them as formative boys, there is a price to pay. Hopefully, we will grow up as a society before it is too late. Both the boys/men and girls/women will be better and happier for it.

zinka milanov| 3.3.11 @ 10:34PM

According to my local statewide news?paper the kid who would not wrestle a girl in Iowa had been brainwashed by the Religious Right against gender equality. There is a legend of prowrestling history that the first great woman wrestler, Mildred Burke was brought to Bethany Missouri in the 30s once to challenge any guy to fight her. No guy around town would do it so the local top cop had to order some guy running the grill at the local dodropin to get down to the school gym to wrestle Mildred, and she promptly whumped the guy.

Richard Baker| 3.6.11 @ 12:03PM

zinka:
Pro wrestling says it all. Try Olympic/school style for a real challenge.

Ole Sarge| 3.6.11 @ 1:02PM

I was thinking about another macho gal, the movie GI Jane, never watched it never will, but I believe that if they force SEALs to accept a women into their ranks, they might as well get a bunch females that they drafted to fill the rest of the ranks as the males will have found somewhere else to be.

Would be funny listening to all the excuses the girls would have, of course, we as a nation would end up paying the tab.

kate| 3.6.11 @ 1:33PM

The problem with liberals is that they don't understand that men and women are different. I respect the young wrestler. I am the mother of two fine, young men. I deserve respect, but so do they and their father.
We are different.
We all have our strengths.

Olivia| 3.7.11 @ 2:17PM

As a once-upon-a-time girl wrestler on a high school boys' team, I find it disappointing that this issue is still so controversial. I never had any problems with my teammates--in fact, as is the experience of many athletes, my teammates were and some remain my closest friends--and no competitor ever refused to engage in a match with me. I won more than I lost, and the skills I honed while wrestling came in handy in college during a date gone awry. I can't imagine the rationale for wanting to deprive girls of the social experience and practical skills they can glean from wrestling.

Doc| 3.24.11 @ 5:25PM

Well Oliva if you want to practice 'Self Defence' to protect yourself from date gones awry then take up that sport to do so, no one would deny you that and infact we would encourage you to, as the father of two sons and a daughter I had them all attend judo, akido and ju-jitsu so they could defend themselves.
But as stated repeatedly above there are certain sports where woman do not have the physical strength to compete, that is not sexist its a physiological difference between men and woman.
My daughter decided she wanted to compete in inter-gender judo, I warned her against it explaining it to her, she was adamant, so I told her go ahead but don't whine if you get thrashed and hurt, she fought a young man of the same belt (Both brown) and he took her to pieces, it was an eye opener to her, the worst part is regardless of her skills which were roughly equal to his (They trained from white belt together) he actually held back when dumping her with hip throws and even one should throw in which I thought he was going to do her some major injury.
Suffice to say she understood from that experience that men and woman are not equal in all ways, she also learned that if he had wanted to really hurt her he could have done so, afterwards I thanked him for being 'gentle' on her... funnily enough they are now both dating, and I have to say he is a fine young man, and she of course has learned that even though she is not his equal on the mat there are other more feminine ways to best a man as all men who are married can attest to, those wiley creatures.

weddingdress | 7.15.11 @ 5:27AM

As a once-upon-a-time girl wrestler on a high school boys' team, I find it disappointing that this issue is still so controversial. I never had any problemAs a once-upon-a-time girl wrestler on a high school boys' team, I find it disappointing that this issue is still so controversial. I never had any problems with my teammates--in fact, as is the experience of many athletes, my teammates were and some remain my closest friends--and no competitor ever refused to engage in a match with me. I won more than I lost, and the skills I honed while wrestling came in handy in college during a date gone awry. I can't imagine the rationale for wanting to deprive girls of the social experience and practical skills they can glean from wrestling.s with my teammates--in fact, as is the experience of many athletes, my teammates were and some remain my closest friends--and no competitor ever refused to engage in a match with me. I won more than I lost, and the skills I honed while wrestling came in handy in college during a date gone awry. I can't imagine the rationale for wanting to deprive girls of the social experience and practical skills they can glean from wrestling.