From Tunisia to Sudan to the Ivory Coast, the bankruptcy of U.S.
democracy-promotion programs.
In a peculiar way, the fall of Zine Ben Ali, sole master of
Tunisia for a quarter century, exposes the bankruptcy of a
centerpiece of America's foreign policy, namely, our declared
support for democracy.
Two inspiring victories for liberty this month, in Sudan
and Tunisia, were achieved with no help from America's
multi-million dollar democracy industry; one might say despite it.
In other countries, ranging from Algeria to Zimbabwe, passing by
the Ivory Coast and Africa's longest-lasting unresolved colonial
conflict, Western Sahara, the contribution of our "democracists" to
freedom's cause has been zilch.
The regime of Omar el Bashir's Congress Party, based on
Arab Muslim tribes from the Nile valley to the east and north of
Khartoum, has been scolded by successive U.S. administrations for
its violent repression of the southern Sudanese, who predominantly
belong to sub-Saharan tribes that were evangelized by British
missionaries a century ago. Bashir himself is under indictment by
the International Tribunal for crimes committed against Muslim
groups in Darfur, in Sudan's northwest.
In Tunisia, the regime of Zine Ben Ali, has for 23 years
received American support as a partner for progress and more
recently against terrorism.
It would be quite respectable to say -- it was first said
by John Adams -- that there is very little we can do in these
remote and little-understood countries, each of which has its own
discrete historical complexity. To proclaim our commitment to
freedom, however, spend a lot of money saying so, and then watch
like morons as freedom movements go right by us, is at the least
embarrassing; at the worst, it fuels anti-Americanism and gives
openings to our enemies, who as it happens are usually also enemies
of freedom.
When Zine ben Ali pushed aside the founder of modern
independent Tunisia, Habib Bourguiba, in a 1987 palace coup, the
cover story was that he was an efficient technocrat who would
maintain the course on which the aging and ailing Bourguiba had set
the country. Intent on proving Islam and modernity were not
incompatible, Bourguiba promoted equal rights for women and
encouraged them to enter the work force, tolerated political
competition and press freedom, up to a point.
Ben Ali, citing an Islamist threat which he crushed, laid
down a new social compact in the early '90s: Tunisians can do
whatever they want in pursuit of commercial and entrepreneurial
opportunities, but in the political realm, they can shut up and get
used to it. It was called "le Changement" and it was the
classical Carthaginian despotism in late 20th century dress. Purely
formal opposition candidates stood in pro-forma elections, until
Ben Ali removed all pretense and had the constitution changed to
allow him to stay in office forever. No press, no labor unions, no
independent civic life, which among other things meant that the
liberal advances made during the Bourguiba years, notably where
women are concerned, were turned back. The regime added protection
to its other rackets, centralizing ordinary Mediterranean baksheesh
in the Ben Ali clan.
There is no case, at least not a strong case, for Zine Ben
Ali being "our guy, " in the way Congo big man Mobutu Sese Soko was
in his day or the way Rwanda strong man Paul Kagame was said to be
by President Clinton. I don't think you could even say that Ben Ali
was France's guy, even though French foreign policy, through
socialist and conservative governments, coddled him much more
overtly that we ever did. Practically the day before Ben Ali and
his family fled Tunis for Jennah (a resort town in Saudi Arabia,
which is full of "our guys" if the way we deal with them is any
indication), President Sarkozy's foreign minister, Michele
Aliot-Marie, was saying in the French National Assembly that
perhaps Ben Ali should "sub-contract" crowd control to France. It
was an astonishing thing to hear from a foreign minister and, no
doubt, there will be contradictory accounts of what she
meant.
While neither we nor the French can be held responsible
for every Somoza on the planet, it is a fact that neither we nor
they did anything to keep Ben Ali from staying in power as long as
he did. And for all the money USAID, the National Endowment for
Democracy (NED), their French and German and Scandinavian
equivalents, and what-all, spend on "democracy promotion," "rule of
law," "human rights" and the rest, you would be hard put to find a
Tunisian Martin Luther King who got any help from the American
government. At the very most, we may have discreetly mentioned to
Ben Ali that killing this one or keeping that one in jail without
trial (or even charges) is not a terribly good idea, and the quiet
word may even have saved a life.
THE REASON THIS MATTERS is that it shows how bankrupt our
democracy-promotion programs are. You can argue that the U.S.
should not be in the democracy business, as an official foreign
policy goal. You can argue, for example, that the best way we
promote freedom is to preserve our own -- something we might give
some attention to, as it happens. Irving Kristol once quipped --
quite profoundly, as usual -- that the only successful American
foreign policy is immigration.
Ever since Carter and Reagan put human rights and
democracy, respectively, high on their foreign policy agendas, we
have spent a lot of money and expended quite a lot of hot
rhetorical air, but achieved very little. It is really as if all
the billions spent on and by NED, USAID, the State Department's
Human Rights bureau, and the rest have been a transfer payment to
middle class Americans much, much more than they have been real
crusades, with tangible results, for democracy in unfree
countries.
Hillary Clinton, when she was First Lady, visited Tunisia
one time when I happened to be there, and she gave support to the
regime of Ben Ali, ostentatiously visiting some model housing
project in Tunis that, supposedly, represented splendidly his
program of gradual improvement. The Obama administration only a few
weeks ago was congratulating Ben Ali as a partner in the war
against terror and a model of orderly economic progress, even if a
bit backward in areas like press freedom (there are no independent
news media in Tunisia and until the recent riots, the Internet was
under tight control). In between, the Bush administration took the
same line.
There was nothing shocking in these gestures: they
represent normal state-to-state courtesies that, unless we want to
call into question the whole system of international relations, we
can scarcely avoid. But since that is so obviously so, what
difference does it make to the Tunisian regime if the State
Department, in its annual human rights report, gives it low marks?
Or even that the U.S. Embassy, according to a Wikileak document,
refers to the joint as a police state? To the defunct regime, all
this meant is that we are wimps; to the opposition activists and
truth tellers like the imprisoned Taoufik Ben Brik -- "the last
journalist in Tunisia," as he was known -- it can only signify that
we are not what we pretend to be.
The point is that purely from a foreign policy
perspective, it would be better to jettison the entire
democracy-and-human-rights baggage and simply say forthrightly that
we, as a nation, support liberty and we wish liberals everywhere a
good fight and godspeed, but as a matter of statecraft the issue of
freedom outside our borders only becomes part of our strategy when
we know it is of clear benefit to us and we expect our policies to
have tangible consequences. .
In this regard, the 1970s-'80s policy of supporting human
rights in the Soviet Union, including the right to emigrate, is
exemplary. It became an effective tactic that weakened our
adversary, while doing real good to real people. It preceded, and
really had nothing to do with, the human rights industry as it
developed in certain bureaus of the State Department and associated
boondoggles like NED and USAID and their NGO subcontractors.
Indeed, putting pressure on the Soviets on issues of human rights
and emigration even preceded the famous Jackson-Vanik amendment,
which in a very real sense was the initial big investment in that
industry and thus a terrible precedent.
As we watch the unfolding events in Sudan, please allow me to be
the first to assure you that I share your concerns over the immoral
revolt against the just and lawful government of Sudan. The
Sudanese government has labored against all odds for many years to
bring peace and harmony to their country, but the obstinate refusal
of the christians and pagans in the southern part of the country to
accept the blessings of Sharia has been a constant threat to the
stability of that country. Now I believe we see that our worst
fears are coming true in this matter. I believe we must act
quickly, for if this cancer of rebellion against The Prophet (peace
be upon his name) is allowed to spread there could be dire
ramifications for all of our plans.
First of all, allow Me to explain that I fully understand the
problem that the Sudanese government is facing in this crisis. Here
in My own country of amerikkka, our backward and christian-infested
southern states are now united in their opposition to My Great
Program. Not only do they insolently oppose me, but some of them,
especially those redneck rebels in texas, are actually speaking of
"secession", just as is now occurring in Sudan. The out and out
refusal of the christians in my country and Sudan to accept their
proper status as dhimmis is an ongoing blasphemy against the
revealed will of Allah (peace be upon His name) and is completely
unacceptable.
I have instructed My ambassadors to the United Nations to
expedite amerikkka's inclusion in support of the many Great
Initiatives you are setting forth to prohibit blasphemy and
apostasy against The Prophet (more peace upon his name). I should
note that under amerikkkan law treaties can trump the constitution,
so once I can convince them to sign onto a treaty prohibiting
speech against Islam I will no longer have to deal with that
ridiculous first amendment.
Additionally, once my Federal Communications Commission has
established full control over the internet through "net neutrality"
we will be able to shut down any and all websites propagating or
disseminating material contrary to the teachings of The Prophet
(peace out! be upon his name). I believe that once the first
amendment is made irrelevant and the net is neutered I will be able
to shut down the apostate opposition to Most Holy Islam here in
amerikkka. And once amerikkka is brought to heel the rest of the
infidel dogs will quickly fall into line as well.
Just in case My plan does not go off as smoothly as we would all
like, I am taking steps to downsize amerikkka's military as well.
Soon the imperialist dogs who bark mindlessly from this country
will find that their teeth have been removed. As the other western
nations have already largely disarmed, the weakening of amerikkka
will remove the only real obstacle to our plans to bring Islam to
the global prominence for which Allah (peace, dude! be upon His
name) has destined us.
That is why I find the events in Sudan so disturbing. Just as we
are on the cusp of victory, the pathetic inhabitants of the
country's southern region think they can defy us. If we allow this,
it will spread. If people around the globe see that even a weak,
starving, homeless and rag-tag gang of rebels is willing to fight
hopelessly and die rather than submit to Allah (peace to infinity
and beyond! be upon His name) then their defiance may spark more
rebellion. We must not allow this! Thus, I assure you that I will
prohibit any amerikkkan troops from interfering to protect the
devils in southern Sudan, and my ambassador to the United Nations
will block any resolutions condemning the actions we all know will
be necessary to take against them. In the coming war we must
remember to fight as directed by The Prophet (peace when there is
no peace be upon him) in the Holy Koran, and not be restricted by
the infidels' rules of the Geneva Conventions. After all, their
women and children will make fine slaves.
Why isn't the lead piece on the MLK national holiday?:
because you don't care much for him; the more you deny it, the less
believable you are.
Not Sure What...| 1.17.11 @ 1:26PM
...MLK means since they passed the FACE law. Similar legislation
would've shut Dr. king down. That's the way you totalitarians
operate.
Alan Brooks| 1.17.11 @ 5:48PM
"[...] you would be hard put to find a Tunisian Martin Luther
King who got any help from the American government."
The author brought MLK up, not me. He pays lip service to MLK,
but that is IT.
Stormzeye| 1.17.11 @ 7:24AM
Very cute Booger.
Now, as to the piece by Mr. Kaplan, it is a brilliant expose of our
"democracy industry" both in the Department of State and in the
20th century liberal world of Wilsonian elitist strategy of the
intellectual elite teaching the "primitives" about the benefits
that come from liberal/progressivism. Mr. Kaplan's example of the
Bureau of Indian Affairs was brilliant. It was simply a domestic
example of the later policies of European colonialists and American
charities (Red Cross, Salvation Army, etc.) and hyper-active church
groups (Catholic Charities, various Protestant missionaries, etc.)
to spread the word of Western enlightenment. Instead, we should
have taught the people of these remote regions about the benefits
of clean water, transportation, and communication through the
introduction of simple infrastructure. The Chinese, with their
sense of Expediency as opposed to our Western sense of Morality are
better suited to making such in-roads throughout the world. Ben Ali
was a Tunisian Mafiosi much like Napoleon (who installed his family
members as leaders of every country he conquered) and as a secular
autocrat hated Islamists and successfully repressed them. We could
have co-opted and softened his thuggish instincts by trading
valuable infrastructure improvement for such things as: effective
civil law (judicial enforcement of contract law, property rights,
etc.) without having to weaken him politically through support for
political opponents who would only serve as "useful idiots" for the
ultimate success of Islamists whose first act would be to suspend
elections and install Sharia law.
This piece deserves re-reading and hopefully will be noticed by the
Republican foreign policy establishment on Capitol Hill.
Ken (Old Texican)| 1.17.11 @ 7:56AM
Mr. Kaplan
Thank you. This article desperately needed to be written.
The debate needs to begin!
The problem in countries that include a Muslim plurality, is
that the people are pre-programmed to be nothing but slaves under
Sharia.
Perhaps we could begin a "Germ of Liberty"movement within our
resource development operations if any; geographical "islands"
where the locals get a taste of freedom.
In a very quiet way, we did so across the oil producing countries
when we were developing projects for them. Within our "compounds"
the TCN , (Third Country Nationals),or local personnel were treated
like Americans.
Once they got over their shock, they loved us. All we required
was that they treat each other, (and us), with respect, and do an
honest day's work.
old white guy| 1.17.11 @ 10:16AM
hmm, we are talking debate. i did not see a whole lot if debate
in tunsia. we may be running out of time to use words to obscure
problems.
John Navratil| 1.17.11 @ 10:25AM
A fascinating article damning the fecklessness of U.S. foreign
policy. I'm disturbed by the conclusion that we should let "people
go their way and not [send] them cynical signals about democratic
standards that lead to perdition." If, by that, we mean
self-determination, fine. If, by that, we mean allowing the
establishmest of a state actively opposed to U.S. interests, not so
fine.
There is, by my reading, a hint that the U.S. got it so wrong in
Tunisia and elsewhere, that anything will be better, so long as it
is self-determined and not promoted by Washington paper pushers.
Then Kaplan writes: "If past experience is any guide, Ben Ali
having gone the way of the Shah, our democracists have made it as
likely as not that Tunisian democrats have just enough time to
thank us for nothing before the resurgent Islamists sweep them
away." Does Kaplan blame past failures for this? It seems so, and
not without merit.
The central question is "When are political developments in a
country to be supported as being in the U.S. interests and when are
they to be countered?" The answer isn't always obvious but clarity
of purpose is, as the author claims, required.
I could be much more sanguine were it not for the contrast
presented by Obama's support for the courage of those in the
streets in Tunisia while being stonily silent toward the courage of
those in the streets of Tehran.
Nicholas| 1.17.11 @ 10:48AM
I was with you until you spun this as a conservative/liberal
split.
Why were liberals targeted here? They're not the ones invading
countries.
Liberals, in the US and Western Europe, like to give aide to
troubled nations, with the philosophy that stabler nations are
friendlier nations. And, if a stable nation can become more
developed, we can mutually benefit each other economically.
That's not invasive--literally INVASIVE--democracy building like
the conservatives have pushed for in the last couple decades.
The other day I clicked an ad that you have on this website and
it took me a liberal-baiting t-shirt and bumper sticker site. One
of those t-shirts promoted the invasion of Iran. What's that all
about?
Nicholas| 1.17.11 @ 10:53AM
http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingstuff/1359561
Yukon Jack| 1.17.11 @ 11:27AM
Freedom in Africa?
Isn't that like morality in Las Vegas?
Bob| 1.17.11 @ 11:53AM
Thanks to the imbecilic policies of W. Bush the Islamic World
more radicalized then ever before is uniting against American
Imperialism.
Alan Brooks| 1.17.11 @ 12:17PM
It appears you are correct- this war has no light at the end of
the tunnel.
Toady| 1.18.11 @ 12:29PM
Bob
Sept 11 occurred before any invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan.
The middle-east was trending toward radicalism way before GW Bush
saw the White House.
gene hauber| 1.17.11 @ 1:37PM
Roger,
A wonderful and very well researched article. I am not a follower
of the antics of our State Dept. , but I have never put a whole lot
of credence in it's ability to solve any problem except, perhaps,
to teach our "diplomats" which fork to use when. THAT SHOULD BE THE
LIMIT OF THEIR CHARGE AND NO MORE.
I THINK THE SHIP OF STATE IS DERELICT.
IT IS apparently a menace to the interests of the UNITED
STATES.
The only surprise that I received reading your article was that a
lot of my suspicions were verified; and I want to thank you for
that.
You mention the Chinese method of foreign policy and it seems so
perfect, full of self interest and as such, PERFECT, for any
nation. WE SHOULD WITHHOLD ALL SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY MONEY TO ANY
NATION THAT DOES NOT DO OUR BIDDING AND THE HELL WITH TRYING TO
EXPORT DEMOCRACY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COMES, AS YOU HAVE
INTIMATED, BY WATCHING US AND NOT LISTENING TO US, BECAUSE OUR
DIPLOMATS ARE JUST FAKES, PHONIES AND FRAUDS.
In the spirit of self interested foreign policy, I advocate the
following: In Iraq and Afghanistan we stop nation building
immediately and concentrate on the threat of al quaida and the
taliban and islam in general to the UNITED STATES, and start
killing them with gusto and as the only thought in our mind.
Henceforth, like tomorrow, we start killing the enemy as
energetically and as ruthlessly as we can, using ALL CLASSES OF
WEAPONS AT OUR DISPOSAL, despite protests from the phony
governments of those havens of terrorism and when WE consider the
job done, and I mean done.....only then do we leave and we leave
with the admonition that if we perceive the slightest threat from
their area of concern including drug trafficking, we will respond
WITH overwhelming force , ALL FROM THE AIR, you know, death from
above, that will take decades to recover from..That's not as
devastating as it sounds, since they still live in the 7th
century.
Thanks for a great article,
Booger| 1.17.11 @ 6:27AM
From the desk of President B. Hussein Obama:
To: Organization of Islamic Countries:
Dear Brethren,
As we watch the unfolding events in Sudan, please allow me to be the first to assure you that I share your concerns over the immoral revolt against the just and lawful government of Sudan. The Sudanese government has labored against all odds for many years to bring peace and harmony to their country, but the obstinate refusal of the christians and pagans in the southern part of the country to accept the blessings of Sharia has been a constant threat to the stability of that country. Now I believe we see that our worst fears are coming true in this matter. I believe we must act quickly, for if this cancer of rebellion against The Prophet (peace be upon his name) is allowed to spread there could be dire ramifications for all of our plans.
First of all, allow Me to explain that I fully understand the problem that the Sudanese government is facing in this crisis. Here in My own country of amerikkka, our backward and christian-infested southern states are now united in their opposition to My Great Program. Not only do they insolently oppose me, but some of them, especially those redneck rebels in texas, are actually speaking of "secession", just as is now occurring in Sudan. The out and out refusal of the christians in my country and Sudan to accept their proper status as dhimmis is an ongoing blasphemy against the revealed will of Allah (peace be upon His name) and is completely unacceptable.
I have instructed My ambassadors to the United Nations to expedite amerikkka's inclusion in support of the many Great Initiatives you are setting forth to prohibit blasphemy and apostasy against The Prophet (more peace upon his name). I should note that under amerikkkan law treaties can trump the constitution, so once I can convince them to sign onto a treaty prohibiting speech against Islam I will no longer have to deal with that ridiculous first amendment.
Additionally, once my Federal Communications Commission has established full control over the internet through "net neutrality" we will be able to shut down any and all websites propagating or disseminating material contrary to the teachings of The Prophet (peace out! be upon his name). I believe that once the first amendment is made irrelevant and the net is neutered I will be able to shut down the apostate opposition to Most Holy Islam here in amerikkka. And once amerikkka is brought to heel the rest of the infidel dogs will quickly fall into line as well.
Just in case My plan does not go off as smoothly as we would all like, I am taking steps to downsize amerikkka's military as well. Soon the imperialist dogs who bark mindlessly from this country will find that their teeth have been removed. As the other western nations have already largely disarmed, the weakening of amerikkka will remove the only real obstacle to our plans to bring Islam to the global prominence for which Allah (peace, dude! be upon His name) has destined us.
That is why I find the events in Sudan so disturbing. Just as we are on the cusp of victory, the pathetic inhabitants of the country's southern region think they can defy us. If we allow this, it will spread. If people around the globe see that even a weak, starving, homeless and rag-tag gang of rebels is willing to fight hopelessly and die rather than submit to Allah (peace to infinity and beyond! be upon His name) then their defiance may spark more rebellion. We must not allow this! Thus, I assure you that I will prohibit any amerikkkan troops from interfering to protect the devils in southern Sudan, and my ambassador to the United Nations will block any resolutions condemning the actions we all know will be necessary to take against them. In the coming war we must remember to fight as directed by The Prophet (peace when there is no peace be upon him) in the Holy Koran, and not be restricted by the infidels' rules of the Geneva Conventions. After all, their women and children will make fine slaves.
Your Friend and Partner in the Holy Jihad,
United States President for Life B. Hussein Obama
More here... http://beautifulletters-bls.blogspot.com/
Alan Brooks| 1.17.11 @ 11:47AM
Why isn't the lead piece on the MLK national holiday?:
because you don't care much for him; the more you deny it, the less believable you are.
Not Sure What...| 1.17.11 @ 1:26PM
...MLK means since they passed the FACE law. Similar legislation would've shut Dr. king down. That's the way you totalitarians operate.
Alan Brooks| 1.17.11 @ 5:48PM
"[...] you would be hard put to find a Tunisian Martin Luther King who got any help from the American government."
The author brought MLK up, not me. He pays lip service to MLK, but that is IT.
Stormzeye| 1.17.11 @ 7:24AM
Very cute Booger.
Now, as to the piece by Mr. Kaplan, it is a brilliant expose of our "democracy industry" both in the Department of State and in the 20th century liberal world of Wilsonian elitist strategy of the intellectual elite teaching the "primitives" about the benefits that come from liberal/progressivism. Mr. Kaplan's example of the Bureau of Indian Affairs was brilliant. It was simply a domestic example of the later policies of European colonialists and American charities (Red Cross, Salvation Army, etc.) and hyper-active church groups (Catholic Charities, various Protestant missionaries, etc.) to spread the word of Western enlightenment. Instead, we should have taught the people of these remote regions about the benefits of clean water, transportation, and communication through the introduction of simple infrastructure. The Chinese, with their sense of Expediency as opposed to our Western sense of Morality are better suited to making such in-roads throughout the world. Ben Ali was a Tunisian Mafiosi much like Napoleon (who installed his family members as leaders of every country he conquered) and as a secular autocrat hated Islamists and successfully repressed them. We could have co-opted and softened his thuggish instincts by trading valuable infrastructure improvement for such things as: effective civil law (judicial enforcement of contract law, property rights, etc.) without having to weaken him politically through support for political opponents who would only serve as "useful idiots" for the ultimate success of Islamists whose first act would be to suspend elections and install Sharia law.
This piece deserves re-reading and hopefully will be noticed by the Republican foreign policy establishment on Capitol Hill.
Ken (Old Texican)| 1.17.11 @ 7:56AM
Mr. Kaplan
Thank you. This article desperately needed to be written.
The debate needs to begin!
The problem in countries that include a Muslim plurality, is that the people are pre-programmed to be nothing but slaves under Sharia.
Perhaps we could begin a "Germ of Liberty"movement within our resource development operations if any; geographical "islands" where the locals get a taste of freedom.
In a very quiet way, we did so across the oil producing countries when we were developing projects for them. Within our "compounds" the TCN , (Third Country Nationals),or local personnel were treated like Americans.
Once they got over their shock, they loved us. All we required was that they treat each other, (and us), with respect, and do an honest day's work.
old white guy| 1.17.11 @ 10:16AM
hmm, we are talking debate. i did not see a whole lot if debate in tunsia. we may be running out of time to use words to obscure problems.
John Navratil| 1.17.11 @ 10:25AM
A fascinating article damning the fecklessness of U.S. foreign policy. I'm disturbed by the conclusion that we should let "people go their way and not [send] them cynical signals about democratic standards that lead to perdition." If, by that, we mean self-determination, fine. If, by that, we mean allowing the establishmest of a state actively opposed to U.S. interests, not so fine.
There is, by my reading, a hint that the U.S. got it so wrong in Tunisia and elsewhere, that anything will be better, so long as it is self-determined and not promoted by Washington paper pushers. Then Kaplan writes: "If past experience is any guide, Ben Ali having gone the way of the Shah, our democracists have made it as likely as not that Tunisian democrats have just enough time to thank us for nothing before the resurgent Islamists sweep them away." Does Kaplan blame past failures for this? It seems so, and not without merit.
The central question is "When are political developments in a country to be supported as being in the U.S. interests and when are they to be countered?" The answer isn't always obvious but clarity of purpose is, as the author claims, required.
I could be much more sanguine were it not for the contrast presented by Obama's support for the courage of those in the streets in Tunisia while being stonily silent toward the courage of those in the streets of Tehran.
Nicholas| 1.17.11 @ 10:48AM
I was with you until you spun this as a conservative/liberal split.
Why were liberals targeted here? They're not the ones invading countries.
Liberals, in the US and Western Europe, like to give aide to troubled nations, with the philosophy that stabler nations are friendlier nations. And, if a stable nation can become more developed, we can mutually benefit each other economically.
That's not invasive--literally INVASIVE--democracy building like the conservatives have pushed for in the last couple decades.
The other day I clicked an ad that you have on this website and it took me a liberal-baiting t-shirt and bumper sticker site. One of those t-shirts promoted the invasion of Iran. What's that all about?
Nicholas| 1.17.11 @ 10:53AM
http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingstuff/1359561
Yukon Jack| 1.17.11 @ 11:27AM
Freedom in Africa?
Isn't that like morality in Las Vegas?
Bob| 1.17.11 @ 11:53AM
Thanks to the imbecilic policies of W. Bush the Islamic World more radicalized then ever before is uniting against American Imperialism.
Alan Brooks| 1.17.11 @ 12:17PM
It appears you are correct- this war has no light at the end of the tunnel.
Toady| 1.18.11 @ 12:29PM
Bob
Sept 11 occurred before any invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. The middle-east was trending toward radicalism way before GW Bush saw the White House.
gene hauber| 1.17.11 @ 1:37PM
Roger,
A wonderful and very well researched article. I am not a follower of the antics of our State Dept. , but I have never put a whole lot of credence in it's ability to solve any problem except, perhaps, to teach our "diplomats" which fork to use when. THAT SHOULD BE THE LIMIT OF THEIR CHARGE AND NO MORE.
I THINK THE SHIP OF STATE IS DERELICT.
IT IS apparently a menace to the interests of the UNITED STATES.
The only surprise that I received reading your article was that a lot of my suspicions were verified; and I want to thank you for that.
You mention the Chinese method of foreign policy and it seems so perfect, full of self interest and as such, PERFECT, for any nation. WE SHOULD WITHHOLD ALL SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY MONEY TO ANY NATION THAT DOES NOT DO OUR BIDDING AND THE HELL WITH TRYING TO EXPORT DEMOCRACY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COMES, AS YOU HAVE INTIMATED, BY WATCHING US AND NOT LISTENING TO US, BECAUSE OUR DIPLOMATS ARE JUST FAKES, PHONIES AND FRAUDS.
In the spirit of self interested foreign policy, I advocate the following: In Iraq and Afghanistan we stop nation building immediately and concentrate on the threat of al quaida and the taliban and islam in general to the UNITED STATES, and start killing them with gusto and as the only thought in our mind.
Henceforth, like tomorrow, we start killing the enemy as energetically and as ruthlessly as we can, using ALL CLASSES OF WEAPONS AT OUR DISPOSAL, despite protests from the phony governments of those havens of terrorism and when WE consider the job done, and I mean done.....only then do we leave and we leave with the admonition that if we perceive the slightest threat from their area of concern including drug trafficking, we will respond WITH overwhelming force , ALL FROM THE AIR, you know, death from above, that will take decades to recover from..That's not as devastating as it sounds, since they still live in the 7th century.
Thanks for a great article,
Gene Hauber
Brick, NJ
weddingdress| 7.5.11 @ 4:46AM
Sept 11 occurred before any invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. The middle-east was trending toward radicalism way before GW Bush saw the White House.
Adidas| 8.11.11 @ 5:32AM
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