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The Dismissal of Sarah Palin

By Aaron Goldstein on 1.11.11 @ 6:08AM

Political war by any means at its dirtiest.

I am neither shocked nor surprised that this nation’s most prominent liberals see fit to blame Sarah Palin for causing the shooting in Tucson that severely injured Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and claimed six lives. But it does sadden me.

Before the shooter was identified much less his victims were identified we witnessed the spectacle of a Nobel laureate and an Academy Award-winning actress amongst many others falling all over themselves to excoriate the former Alaska governor.

Yet perhaps the most insightful of these denunciations of Palin was that of MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann. Now when I use the word insightful I am not referring to the merits of his arguments. Olbermann’s arguments are devoid of any, of course. But his arguments do provide us with a keen insight into the mindset of American liberalism in the early 21st century:

If Sarah Palin, whose website put and today scrubbed bull’s-eye targets on 20 Representatives including Gabby Giffords, does not repudiate her own part in amplifying violence and violent imagery in politics, she must be dismissed from politics — she must be repudiated by the members of her own party, and if they fail to do so, each one of them must be judged to have silently defended this tactic that today proved so awfully foretelling, and they must in turn be dismissed by the responsible members of their own party.

So does Olbermann think the Democratic Leadership Council should be dismissed from politics? Surely Olbermann believes the DLC should repudiate its part in amplifying violence and violent imagery in politics after it, on behalf of John Kerry in 2004, put bull’s-eye targets on nine states won by President Bush in 2000. After all, the DLC did describe these nine states as being situated “behind enemy lines.”

Does Olbermann think President Obama should be dismissed from politics? Surely Olbermann believes Obama should repudiate his own part in amplifying violence and violent imagery in politics after he said a Republican Congress would mean hand-to-hand combat.

Does Olbermann think Vice President Biden should be dismissed from politics? Surely Olbermann believes Biden should repudiate his own part in amplifying violence and violent imagery in politics after he said he wanted to strangle the next Republican who talked about balancing the budget.

Does Olbermann think Joe Manchin, West Virginia’s newly elected Democratic Senator, should be dismissed from politics? Surely Olbermann believes Manchin should repudiate his own part in amplifying violence and violent imagery in politics after firing a bullet into the cap-and-trade bill in one of his television ads.

As far as Olbermann is concerned, President Obama, Vice President Biden, Senator Manchin, and the DLC are free to do what they please. Oh, he might have an unkind word for them now and again. But make no mistake. Olbermann knows who keeps his bread buttered and has no intention subjecting them to the impossible standards he reserves for Palin.

Now I know full well that President Obama has no intention of punching John Boehner in the nose. I know full well that Jim DeMint’s throat is safe from Vice President Biden’s hands. I know full well that Senator Manchin will not use his rifle in the rotunda of Capitol Hill. I also know full well that the DLC doesn’t consider Missouri and Nevada to be part of enemy territory.

You would think that Keith Olbermann would know full well that all Palin was looking to do in targeting Gabrielle Giffords seat was to raise funds on behalf of Giffords’ opponent, Jesse Kelly and to help Arizona’s 8th District to elect a representative who would vote to repeal Obamacare. Despite Palin’s efforts, the voters in Arizona’s 8th opted to keep Giffords. Palin has nothing for which to apologize. You win some. You lose some. That’s politics. It’s something a 9-year-old girl would have understood.

But in the crazy world of Keith Olbermann, Sarah Palin must be dismissed from politics. She must be excised from our public discourse. Her thoughts have been deemed impure and thus they cannot be heard in polite society. This is at the heart of Olbermann’s real agenda. The same can be said for Paul Krugman and Jane Fonda. So devoted are they to banishing Sarah Palin from the public square that they are willing to say anything, no matter how untrue, to make it happen. The end justifies the means. So it doesn’t matter if Gabrielle Giffords was shot by a deranged man who was angry with her before Palin became a national public figure. It is still Palin’s fault. If liberals could they would blame Palin for the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby. Liberals believe these things because they want to believe them. And as long as liberals want to believe that Sarah Palin bears responsibility for the murder of six people and for the attempted murder of Congresswoman Giffords, then there is no hope for elevation of our public discourse.

If Olbermann and other liberals are somehow successful in expunging Palin from public life as a result of this horrific tragedy, it will embolden them to dismiss the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, the whole Tea Party Movement and anybody else they deem to be undesirable. But if liberals succeed in ridding themselves of the riff-raff and still cannot bring about hope and change, then who will be left to blame? Liberals get no satisfaction in taking responsibility for their own actions.

But if Olbermann and other liberals want to carry on their campaign to dismiss Sarah Palin from politics then by all means let them. When will they learn she cannot be so easily dismissed?

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Aaron Goldstein writes from Boston, Massachusetts.

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Booger | 1.11.11 @ 6:13AM

From the desk of Attorney General Eric Holder:

Dear President Obama,

First, allow me to say once again how honored I am to serve You, our Exalted Leader, and to be available at Your beck and call to provide advice for Your Glorious Project. As per Your request, I have reviewed all applicable Federal statutes and case law, and have prepared a legal statement an plan of action following the deplorable attack by the Tea-Bagger operative in Arizona. I believe it is important that we institute this plan of action as quickly as possible, to ensure that we do not let a good crisis go to waste. It is especially important that this plan be enacted before the general public has time to "cool off", so to speak, and assess the situation. An approach such as Your brilliant stimulus strategy, with a bill being passed and signed immediately, is our best bet for total success in this endeavor.

As we look at the Constitutional issues involved, I believe our first area of "correction" should be the first amendment. Far too much has been made in this country's history of the so-called "right" of the "people" to criticize their leaders. I believe we should consider this a "collective" right rather than an "individual" right. Thus, various organizations, upon receiving official state licensing, may be allowed to criticize political leaders. Examples would be The New York Times, Washington Post, MSNBC and CNN. Obviously Fox News and talk radio would be excluded from such licensing, as they have not displayed sufficient restraint in their rhetoric directed against Your Great Plan, and thus have not earned their right to a license.

Quite frankly, I think we can establish a "two-tier" approach to first amendment rights. Nude dancing, pornography, Nazi marches in jewish neighborhoods and public sodomy would all continue to receive "tier one" protection, so that they would be absolutely protected by the courts. On the other hand, more questionable and offensive activities such as criticism of Yourself, attendance of conservative christian churches, and participation in unauthorized political movements such as the Tea-baggers would be tier-two level rights, requiring an appropriate license which could be dispensed, or not, at the discretion of the chair of the FCC.

I believe the time is now ripe to make the general population see that the first amendment, as currently construed, is just too broad. Once the people are convinced that they can have safety and security only if they surrender this false "right" it will be child's play to get Congress to pass legislation restricting these rights. I am also confident that our current Supreme Court can provide us with a 5-4 split decision in Your favor on this matter.

Next up is the second amendment, that perpetual fetish of the radical fascists on the right. If ever there was a time to strike back at the notion that individual citizens should be able to keep and bear firearms, now is that time. Once again, we must not let a good crisis go to waste. Since the Supreme Court has recently issues two treacherous rulings against You in this matter, we will have to seek an actual repeal. I do believe this is possible, however, and moreover that now is the time to make it happen. Even if Congress refuses to go along with a repeal at first, just think of the great campaign fodder it will provide for You in 2012! You will be able to paint the republicans as the gun-toting, killing-machine fascists they truly are.

Think also of the possibilities: With the first amendment curtailed to where it should be, and the second amendment eliminated altogether, there will be no meaningful opposition left to Your Great Plan for this country. The NRA will no longer be able to fund our opposition, and that demon Limbaugh will be off the air once and for all. So let's not let this opportunity go to waste, we must act now!

Your most humble and loyal servant,

united states attorney general Eric Holder

http://beautifulletters-bls.blogspot.com/

GKPAL| 1.11.11 @ 9:18AM

Simply Superb.

Dave | 1.11.11 @ 10:59AM

No rants here. Seems to be quite enough of that coming from the usual suspects on the Left.

In a nutshell, my observations of this tragedy are as follows: Within the first moments of the Arizona tragedy's posting on the Net, coupled with the identified political party of the original, intended victim ... my thought was "I'll just keep an eye on the clock and see how long it takes before the MSM and their lock step teleprompter readers begin to smear (a) the Tea Party (b) Sarah Palin and (c) Rush Limbarugh and Talk Radio in general.

It didn't take long. Matter of fact, when I blinked, their spin/smears were already underway.

As of today, the current leftist, liberal response to what occured a few days ago in the pacific southwest was as predictible as the sun rising daily from ... the Eastern skyline. And predictibaly, the CBSChipmunk and her collective in the mainstream newsrooms fell right into line ... on time.

as of now, the only thing I'm waiting to see is if someone on the political Right will have the stones to stand up and forcefully short -- ENOUGH, ALREADY!

Sadly, that probably won't happen, if at all ... until Speaker Boehner goes through his current box of Kleenex. from where I sit - most of the politicans from the Right side of the isle are back in their always familiar position: head tucked safely between their knees.

Like I said -- predictible! Very.

ship of fools| 1.11.11 @ 12:37PM

Man, what a bunch of imbeciles here ...

Cpm| 1.11.11 @ 1:49PM

And you must obviously be the ship's captain.

Dave Trapped in NYC| 1.11.11 @ 6:13PM

shippy,

tell me one liberal success? Please, in 3, 2, 1, Civil Rights, oh yes pushed by conservatives not liberals, please name one, I beg you, the schools are in great shape, still waiting...

Oldefarte| 1.11.11 @ 12:43PM

Brilliant, Booger, and extremely humorous also!!!

Alan Brooks| 1.11.11 @ 8:48PM

But why does Palin have to wear granny glasses? to look like a professor?
Voters don't make passes at female politicians who wear glasses.

patricia| 1.13.11 @ 12:27PM

Hmmm......maybe she likes to see where she's going?

george F| 1.13.11 @ 4:17PM

Alan Brooks. I thought you were more upright and intelligent than this type of comment. What a disappointment you are.

Do you have more coy unintelligence up your sleeve?

And I'm not even a Palin supporter.

Steve-O| 1.13.11 @ 2:50PM

Noble laureate? Big deal!
A high school kid put a Nobel prize in my sack last night at McDonalds, along with my 1/3 pound Angus burger, large fries and strawberry shake.

Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 1.11.11 @ 6:15AM

First, it has been established by law enforcement that Loughner had been stalking Giffords since 2007 which was before Palin came along with her web site. That pretty well dispels any notion that Palin was remotely connected to Loughner.

Secondly, complaining about Olbermann appears to be akin to complaining about a gnat. He has no audience and what's left of his audience is most likely on food stamps or other forms of government assistance with little money to spend because they are most likely losers. When Olbermann's advertisers figure that out Olbermann won't be on the air much longer. Frankly, I really find it hard to believe anyone would be ignorant enough to watch him, he's a lunatic.

Dannyboy| 1.11.11 @ 12:14PM

I'll say what others are afraid to say - That guy laughner did us all a favor, one democrat down, many to go. This country isn't going to get any better any time soon unless we expel all the jews, blacks, mexicans and democrats (commies). The conservatives in this country need to grow some balls and make it happen. This is our country and we should want to keep it. The democrats are just going to keep importing votes from mexico and buying votes from the blacks in the form of welfare. And to top it all off, it's the jews in NYC and Chicago that's playing this country like a harp.
Wake up America, before it's too late. Support your local TEA PARTY!!!! Go America!!!

Wxcynic| 1.11.11 @ 12:43PM

Dannyboy,
You Sir, are part of the problem.

Mimi| 1.11.11 @ 1:43PM

Danny...who sent you to post on American Spectator?....You are lost, and onthe wrong site...Conservatives are NOT RACIST and also as a GROUP not STUPID and are on to you!!!

Cpm| 1.11.11 @ 1:51PM

Oh Dannyboy, the cops, the cops are calling you....

Jack Romero| 1.11.11 @ 2:43PM

Such a classy tactic. Take your pathetic, false-flagging ass back to Kos.

KokomoJoe| 1.11.11 @ 8:45PM

Dannyboy, you have been called for your wolf in sheeps clothing.
No one here on the right thinks for a second that you are anything but a leftie trying to insert hate where there is none.

Owen| 1.12.11 @ 3:20AM

Iss Dannyboy for real? He is either a "plant" for the Left or someone who is as dangerous as that kook in Arizona.. Which is it?

milhous| 1.13.11 @ 12:25PM

Dannyboy, we've seen your type before: leftist jerks parading in Nazi garb at Tea Party rallies. Posting racist, deranged comments on a conservative site, and then pointing to your own post to say, "Look! They're all racist and deranged!" is really a stupid tactic.

Wally| 1.13.11 @ 2:03PM

Again on AS, conservative are ALWAYS the victim. Despite ALL the killings and violent language and and threats being done by right wingers/militias/white supremists, it is the Libruls who are the perpetrators at the poor old white guys expense.

Why is there such machismo on the right wing . And machismo, of course, means a tough front but a cowardly soul. Just own up to the violence and violent language, condemn it and move on. Its easy. Watch. I condemn the weathermen and RAF for what they did in the 70s. Easy.

Given the real victims - children, elderly, pubic servants - your crying about being a victim of librul plots and conspiracies and planted posts just ain't cutting it. Man up AS commenters.

Charie| 1.13.11 @ 4:03PM

Good grief, another one! Who let the trolls out? Who, who? who? who?

Charie| 1.13.11 @ 4:00PM

OK, Dannyboy, I smell DU Troll all the way from my back yard.

Carol| 1.11.11 @ 6:38AM

Hanoi Jane and all the other hatemongers on the left out there owe Sarah Palin an apology.

Do I expect it from a communist sympathizer (she most like is a card-carrying member now) or the leftist slime to do it? No.

You might want to check out Breitbart so you can see a slide-show of tweets from libtards who only wish they could destroy Sarah - literally.

Ken Roberts | 1.11.11 @ 7:51AM

If I were Sara Palin I would not accept anything from the likes of those people. She is so much mo0re human than all of the democrat party put together . they fear her. She will put a stop to the communist take over of our beloved country .

milhous| 1.13.11 @ 12:27PM

If I were Palin, my sole comment this week would have been to point out to her detractors that when it comes to the coarsening of political discussion in this nation, they are the worst offenders.

Karen Bertram| 1.11.11 @ 8:59AM

Palin is a Coward. So are the other pundit-iots who spew violent hatefueled rhetoric in lieu of actual discourse.

If she soooooo believed she is 100% absolved of any involvement in egging on the eggheads--she wouldn't have taken down the map with the cross-hairs.

When she put that up plenty of people complained but she and the ignorant greedy teabaggers types gave everyone the finger.

Now that finger is up their ---es.

Douver1| 1.11.11 @ 9:18AM

Up their noses? That finger is up the same orifice as your head. Your kooks hate Mrs.Palin because they fear her and can't blame their shortcomings on a certain Bush anynore.

Karen Bertram| 1.11.11 @ 9:31AM

America will never undue what the Bushes and Reagon did to it. Never!!! So get used to living in a 5th world slum.

Oh, by the way. That little puny 9/11 stunt of Bin Ladin's to undermine America pales in comparison with Reagon giving away manufacturing to the Chinese and other cheap labor countries.

Then the Bushes helped the Banks riot with deregulating. So, you can barely find anyone who doesn't need to use a bank just to pay a simple bill or make a simple purchase. But, that's ok. The American way is to pay, pay, pay.

Now my question to you is why you prefer America to be a nation of serfs? That's what it has become. And will now always be.

Before I push off, a bit about the Bush dynasty. It is long.... and has been fruitful. Grandpa Bush managed to manufacture and sell armaments to the Nazis in Germany as we were going into war with them, even though he was asked to cease and desist. He only got stopped doing it when the feds confiscated 3 of his 5 factories.... but shhhhhhsssshhhh that's old news isn't it. And the Bushes... they are "real Americans" aren't they? Which means they are all for themselves. Rugged individuals. Non of the socialist marxist bullcrap here. In fact, they are much like the teabaggers and Palin lovers who are also all for themselves. Very American that.

NavyBrat | 1.11.11 @ 10:11AM

Why don't you move if this place sucks so bad? If its not your version of a communist utopia, I hear that they're desperately trying to replace the enslaved population of North Korea due to all the famine deaths. Perhaps you can go over there & aid in the glorious worker's struggle. Then you wouldn't have anything to piss & moan about. You'll have the gov't. you so obviously want & richly deserve. And I doubt anyone here will shed a tear at your departure.

Tuco| 1.11.11 @ 10:19AM

She won't move, NB...she's one of the lucky few to escape the UK, and she knows better than to move back. But, like every stupid libtard, will still find every reason to complain until the day she (thankfully) draws her last breath...

NavyBrat | 1.11.11 @ 10:53AM

Oh, happy day!

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 1.11.11 @ 10:32AM

The only people we are "tea-bagging" are "fruity" liberals. OPEN WIDE!

Karen Bertram| 1.11.11 @ 10:42AM

Another thing, as you have probably guessed by now, I am an idiot. But by my rantings above, I have made myself feel better. It doesn't matter that none of the stuff I say is true, I get off on saying it anyway, this is why I'm a progressive. Besides, Media Matters pays me for doing it. They don't pay hardly anything, but that's OK, I would still probably do it for free, cuz I like to insult right wingers, cuz I hate all of you so much. We will hate you and do speech-murder on you as much as we want, and you have no right do it back to us.

Anita| 1.11.11 @ 12:43PM

Perhaps YOU are on the par with Jared Lee Loughner. You should a wee bit nuts. If you get paid to spew such venom ya'll ain't paid enough to so lower yourself.
America is a country of dissenting voices and I intend to see that it remains that way.
Even yours.
Go in peace and go with God.

Dave| 1.11.11 @ 12:49PM

What an idiot you are.

Bush and Reagan?

Reagan showed us how to get solid economics in this country, and Bush's last 59 months of office had the lowest unemployment in a very long time and a lot better than your lying, murderous Clinton gang.

Do me and all of America a favor and take your bottom lip, pull it over your head, and then swallow.

America, and the entire world, won't be safe until liberalism is dead.

Occam's Tool| 1.11.11 @ 3:24PM

My Dear Karen,

"undo," not "undue." "the Banks riot with deregulating"---"bank rot" instead?

"Fifth world slum?" My dear lady, have you ever been to Guatemala city? No? I didn't think so.

The term "teabaggers" is something made up by friends of Barney Frank. "Tea Partiers" is a term related to civil disobedience by Boston colonialists in 1773.

Owen| 1.12.11 @ 3:22AM

Hey!! You need a one-way ticket to Cuba. You can then enjoy the "worker's Paradise."

Animator Girl| 1.17.11 @ 2:40AM

"That little puny 9/11 stunt of Bin Ladin's"

Not that I would presume to speak for the 3,000+ 9/11 families, but please go f*ck yourself.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 1.11.11 @ 10:28AM

What about the article on the DailyKOS they took down the day of the shooting? The one that mentioned something about "My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!"

http://www.americanthinker.com....._giff.html

Don't be a hypocrite. You're misguided ramblings are irrational and only give us insight on how insane you are. This guy wasn't a "right-wing nut" or a "left-wing nut", he's just a "nut".

Did it ever cross your mind that Sarah Palin's website took it down because its distasteful in the wake of this tragedy.

You are scum.

GKPAL| 1.11.11 @ 10:46AM

Karen- In case you don't know those targets were invented by your bodies in the Demon-cratic party way back in 2006.Make a Google search and will confirm it. Only ignorant idiots like you would blame Sarah Palin for what happened in Arizona. Why don't you debate Palin's positions on the various issues, if you can, instead of throwing mud and make baseless assertions and innuendos. You are a MORON.

Eric Cartman| 1.11.11 @ 11:31AM

Psssst. Karen. I have a secret. All your Socialist Dreams are going to be taken apart piece by piece. We will start with your Socialist medicine, so you may want to take advantage of and mental health provision over the next two years. Hee hee hee.

tj| 1.11.11 @ 2:14PM

Oh Eric Stop you are making me dream of the good old days. Karen really is in for a surprise come Nov 2012. Does it occur to anyone how many trolls are on ALL the sights today......they must really be scared these days. They are out in droves!!!
Ah what a way to spend our tax dollars. My 8 yr old GE frig burnt up last week... could have used that money for the new one

Kokomo Joe| 1.11.11 @ 10:17PM

Karen is clearly (except to herself) an ignorant young lady. But there is little we can do for her kind.
My point in replying to you is in regard to you and your GE fridge. I am truly not a fan of boycotts, but what GE gave away to the chinese, just to do biz there, is unbelievable.
I will NEVER buy GE again. You won't either if you read this:

China demands half of joint ventures
China is demanding that U.S. companies wrap parts of their worldwide operations into new joint venture companies in which Chinese interests own 50 percent, as a condition of doing business with China, the Wall Street Journal reported.

http://redalert.wnd.com/index......ageId=2321

B.S. Economics, Purdue 1982

Occam's Tool| 1.11.11 @ 3:45PM

My Dear Eric,

please reference my earlier comments regarding involuntary long term medication for the mentally ill. Why would you NOT want them medicated long term, particularly in light of Dr. Savage's (correct) description of severe Liberalism?

Nick| 1.11.11 @ 11:59AM

Miss Bertram,

Do you belong to that psyco Loughner's insane cult?

No, let me guess, you aborted your baby when you found out he/she had Downs, right?
And now, whenever you see Sarah Palin and Trig, you go completely insane.

There is a name for this disorder, it's called Palin Derrangement Syndrome (PDS.) Seek professional help.

Cpm| 1.11.11 @ 1:54PM

It's quite possible that they took it down because the election is over and had forgotten it was still posted.

Haywood| 1.11.11 @ 7:12PM

Karen Dear,

When did your tits start hanging on your chest like fried eggs?

Bosley| 1.11.11 @ 9:57AM

Hahahaha! Wow, such contemporary topics like Hanoi Jane and the Lindberg (sic) baby discussed here. Care to throw in a few Hindenburg references before you all check into a nursing home? How about some Bing Crosby to croon you into the Big Sleep, where all will be as you misremember it from your childhood?

wodiej| 1.11.11 @ 10:05AM

I saw the twitter feed-it was evil.

Kenny| 1.11.11 @ 6:46AM

Hate and anger is a defining characteristic of Democrats and their liberal stooges in the media.

Remember the treatment of Clarence Thomas? Robert Bork? Geroge Bush? Ronald Reagan?

Sarah Palin is in good company

Gary Ogletree| 1.11.11 @ 7:08AM

They fear Sarah Palin. She is recognized by the left as the actual leader of the opposition to the progressive agenda. Of all the 2012 contenders she is the only one who hits back when punched. Conservatives are supposed to take abuse quietly and allow the media to define them. Conservative pundits go along with this and buy the left's story that Palin is unelectable. But who can fill a stadium with an enthusiastic get out the vote army? Palin is the only one in either party since the Clueless in Chief lost his mojo.

karvictho| 1.11.11 @ 9:04AM

What is the "progressive agenda" exactly? It's a little late to save those bizillions of dollars Palin and her peers thought should be squandered in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

She isn't for universal health-care for all Americans since her family is covered as native Americans and gets special medical coverage there.... or she just flits over the border to Canada and indulges herself of their national health-care.

Oh, yes, Queen Palin..... shhhhhshh the blind leading the blind.

Dustoff| 1.11.11 @ 9:54AM

Don't ya just love it, when the left spew their hate. Yet their so stupid, they can't even get the facts right.

Typical.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 1.11.11 @ 10:35AM

When did Alaska go to war with Iraq and Afghanistan? When was Sarah Palin elected Governor again???

Liberal Fools.. It must be blissful to buy into the lies of the mainstream media. You can't blame them, they're still, proverbially, plugged into the matrix.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 1.11.11 @ 11:04AM

One more question, State Governors are voting in congress now? Hmmmm...

These people are fools without a basic understanding of how our government works..

Al Adab| 1.11.11 @ 10:43AM

Thank you for helping to define the "progressive agenda" as well as you do. Clearly it is not in anyone's interest to rid the world of terrorists or dictators who threaten international stability, but it is in our interest to force the performance of charity by way of the police power of The State. Charity under threat of violence is no charity at all. Should we all be glad that someone, somewhere. gets to decide who our personal property (our incomes) should benefit? We no longer work for ourselves, but for those a self-annointed elite deems worthy. How does that square with the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment?

Appleby| 1.11.11 @ 10:58AM

You come up here to Kanukistan and try to get any health care. Most Canadians who need serious health care cross the border for it and pay cash.

usmcpgw| 1.11.11 @ 11:29AM

obama gives 800 million to hamas

obama gives 8 million to refurbish mosques overseas

obama gives 200 million to import hamas terrorists

all that is US tax dollars.

care to explain that?

Charie| 1.13.11 @ 4:11PM

If Sarah Palin's family is getting their health care from the gubmint, why does she have to "flit" to Canada for their overwhelmed healthcare? Oh, shucky darn! I forgot, Liberals don't have to play with a full deck the way Conservatives do..

stephanie| 1.11.11 @ 7:17AM

They are so afraid of Sarah that they will say anything, use any opportunity to discredit her, take away our guns and our right to free speech.
In the mean time, there is no leadership from the White House.

Fran| 1.11.11 @ 10:04AM

I'm afraid of Sarah because she's a sociopath who has the same kind of unwavering support Hitler had before WWII. She spews hateful and violent rhetoric, much like Hitler, and people eat it up. I'm sorry, Stephanie, that this does not scare you, too.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 1.11.11 @ 10:37AM

Obama and hitler were both socialists with dictator tendencies. Who are you comparing to hitler again??

These fools are devoid of any historical perspective.

Fran| 1.11.11 @ 10:54AM

Listen you capitalist pig, I know Sarah is a sociopath because the Daily Kos told me so. She is just like Hitler, just like Bush was just like Hitler. Now it's not just Bushitler, it's Palinbushitler. Got that? It's true because we progressives say it's true. That's all you need to know. Why do you Cons always have all these annoying questions about everything we want to do? No more questions.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 1.11.11 @ 11:07AM

"the time for talk is over, now is the time for action." - Barry O

Why is civil discourse so horrible in this country again? Oh yeah bc of sarah palin and glenn beck talking about "faith" and "honor". Somebody needs to shut them up. Morals are SOOO last year...

Anne| 1.11.11 @ 11:13AM

You know Sarah is a sociopath because the Daily Kos told you so?

You are joking? Right?

Or have you never had a thought of your own?

tdiinva| 1.11.11 @ 1:49PM

I think this post is a dead giveaway. Fran is pulling our legs.

Occam's Tool| 1.11.11 @ 3:48PM

"No more words
You're telling me you love me while you're looking away
No more words, no more words
And no more promises of love"

I quote, of course, Berlin.

Trenton| 1.11.11 @ 7:01PM

ROTFL! Fantastic!

rdman| 1.11.11 @ 10:17PM

Franny

Friend, that open mouth
Reveals your
whole interior...
Silly hollow frog!

Anon.

GKPAL| 1.11.11 @ 10:55AM

Fran , please give us some examples. I'm waiting you moron.

LiveFreeOrDie| 1.11.11 @ 10:58AM

Fran, there were a couple errors in your post. I took the liberty of fixing them.

"I'm afraid of Obama because he's a sociopath who has the same kind of unwavering support Hitler had before WWII. He spews hateful and violent rhetoric, much like Hitler, and people eat it up. I'm sorry, Fran, that this does not scare you, too. "

Charie| 1.13.11 @ 4:16PM

Fran, I'm telling you that no one scares me more than you Liberals who believe such things as that Palin is a sociopath. At the same time it makes me laugh because it's so hilarious. Bwahahahahaha! It's like being in a funhouse!

john| 1.11.11 @ 7:20AM

THIS ARTICLE IS BULLSHYT....THAT LITTLE WHITE TRASH C*** SHOULD BE DISMISSED FROM THE PUBLIC EYE......SHE'S DUMB AND WORTHLESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T NEED THIS LITTLE EMPTY HEADED TROUBLEMAKER CREATING MORE PROBLEMS AND ENTICING MORE HATE....SARAH PALIN IS NOT NEEDED .....SHE NEEDS TO GO HOME AND RAISE ALL HER KIDS........

Ken Roberts | 1.11.11 @ 7:42AM

Have you ever considered anger management classes I know the left has a lock on that , you see with all caps means you are yelling, it shows your immaturity to start with, and the idea that the right is the only ones who throw hate out there I would ask for some proof of that and what is it about cross hairs that bother you to the point of yelling .
Bill Maher
Mike Malloy
Fred Ralls
Charles Karel Bouley
Mike Feingold
Wanda Sykes
Spike Lee
Courtland Milloy.
just to name a few of your fellows friends in arms . These people called for killing and burning and hanging of many people . and guess what they are all democrats or so far left they almost fell in the ocean

kit| 1.11.11 @ 9:18AM

So, the people in your list, like Sarah Palin, have traveled America going to political rallies where people are really angry and despairing over their current plight in America and have said basically -- let's take them (those who oppose our glorious master plan) out with violence?

Hmmmm..... I must have missed those cross-country tours. But I bet you won't find a cross-hair map on their personal websites. Nor will you find anyone loading guns and cleaning weapons because of what anyone on your list said.

And since you brought it up, I'd say it's your turn to produce a bit of evidence.... even a little bit would do

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 11:13AM

Yep. Time for some clever person to put together a quick montage of "The Best of..." rants by those fools so we can, once again, put this ridiculous argument in it's proper perspective.

HeavyTrucker| 1.11.11 @ 2:36PM

Dude. 'Mike Malloy'? 'Fred Ralls'? Charles Karel Bouley? 'Wanda Sykes'?

Who in the hell are those people? Do ANY Democrats know who they are? Are they party leaders, presidential candidates and nationwide Republican mouthpieces reaching millions of people for HOURS every day a la Palin/Rush/Beck/O'Reilly?

Sorry, Republican leaders spew hate daily and all you can come up with is people noone knows and a 'knife to a gun fight quote'.

False Equivalency Troll is False.

Nick| 1.11.11 @ 7:03PM

Is it our fault that lefties have such losers as their spokemen?

milhous| 1.13.11 @ 12:31PM

Trucker, it seems your comment drips with hatred, so go heal thyself.

Charie| 1.13.11 @ 4:25PM

HT, where the hell have you been for the past 10 years? The reason you don't know who those people are is because you agree with what they say so think it's OK and pay no more attention.

Try Maher, Letterman, Olbermann, Schultz (Ed) Maddow. Perhaps you've heard of them.

Michelle Malkin has a list as long as your arm of all the hatred spewed all during the Bush presidency and at Palin. And then it's only a partial list.

Get real.

Melvin| 1.11.11 @ 7:44AM

I'm kinda at a loss here. Aren't you talking about Hillary Clinton?

Joelspoliticalpolls | 1.11.11 @ 8:41AM

What does Sarah Palin even do? Why do we even care about her? She holds no office, She isn't running for an office? She sometimes is invited on Fox News as a commentator? Is she an entertainer? She gets paid butt loads of money to speak as she will never do it fir free. I guess she is like Britney Spears a washed up celebrity?

Stephanie| 1.11.11 @ 8:44AM

You wish.

Joelspoliticalpolls | 1.11.11 @ 8:47AM

Wish what?

Douver1| 1.11.11 @ 9:26AM

Wish in one hand,crap in the other,and see which one fills up first. Your head may be vying for space in the same orifice to the one Karen Bertram is alluding.

Dustoff| 1.11.11 @ 10:00AM

LOL, you poor fools on the left. You lost the election. O-bummer is going NO-where.
You spew hate like it was water in a shower.

Life it tough. I feel for ya. No really

Melvin| 1.11.11 @ 9:38AM

What is Sarah Palin's job. Annoying the dog squeeze out of you.

milhous| 1.13.11 @ 12:29PM

The question is, why does the left foam and go into convulsions whenever Palin says anything? They need to be in counseling.

coal carrier| 1.11.11 @ 8:23AM

A typical liberal response. When you can’t add to the debate, reply with innuendo, name-calling or character assassination.

Appleby| 1.11.11 @ 11:00AM

And dirty language.

blackknights1802| 1.11.11 @ 8:25AM

And why all upper case? Does that make it more forceful?

NVA Patriot| 1.11.11 @ 9:23AM

I hope John is for real. It puts liberals-progressive-no-names on full display.

I hope John is not pretending to be a liberal to add to the anger. It's not needed.

This weekend's events cemented a sentiment; that sentiment equates Sarah Palin to Barak Obama as two individuals on the same level - in effect, making Palin Presidential because the left has elevated her to that level.

The left's hatred repulses 60% of the voting public. Leftist hatred; their callousness; their win at any costs spirit was unleashed full throttle. The repulsive feeling will cling to the Leftist Democrats for the next 20 years - they made a martyr of Sarah Palin and by extension all Americans who would give her a fair chance to make her case.

They elvated her to Presidentail level, made her a President-like-victim, and hardened the resolve of her supporters while dividing themselves from the majority of Americans. They are creating, through their hatred, their worst nighmare - A Sarah Palin Presidency.

They will sustain that Presidency with continued hate and unlike George Bush who chose not to fight back, the frontier spirit of Alaskans will not offer the Bush restraint for the folks in a Palin Administration. A Palin administration will be unlikely to simply 'take it.'

Even Karl Rove has said that 'taking it' was an error - An error no Republican President whould ever repeat.

Trenton| 1.11.11 @ 7:05PM

Great point!

Kitty| 1.11.11 @ 8:33AM

Normally I'd ask TAS to delete your comment, but I think you speak for your party quite well. (I pity your keyboard.)

MikeD| 1.11.11 @ 8:50AM

John; Does your mommy know you're using those bad words you learned on the playground again? I know you think it makes you feel all 'grown up', but it just makes you look like what you really are: A small mind in a (alleged) adult body.

In case you didn't realize it, under our "Great Leader", the dems snuck through legislation that allows law enforcement to follow the data back to the specific computer it came from. Your name, address, and internet carrier are already known and you ARE being watched. Are you happy with what they are finding out about you?

NavyBrat | 1.11.11 @ 10:14AM

John:

Here's some "hate speech" for you. Go fellate a 12 gague. Now, if you DO go blow your brains out, I really hope someone here blames me.

Aelfgyva| 1.11.11 @ 10:29AM

John, you simply have no class.

Bruce Berger| 1.11.11 @ 10:38AM

John,

I bet your Mom is real proud of you.

michigander_sandusky| 1.11.11 @ 10:41AM

John,

The size of your text is in direct proportion to the smallness of your intellect.

irish19| 1.11.11 @ 10:55AM

Well, the smallness of something anyway.
I love these people. Really. The ignorance just oooooooozes out of their screeds. And the hatred of which they constantly accuse conservatives is on full display-making them hypocrites as well.

GKPAL| 1.11.11 @ 10:58AM

John: She will be the next President of the UNITED STATES. Now John go to the John and discharge what you're full of.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 1.11.11 @ 11:09AM

I'm waiting for "She needs to be doing a woman's work! In the kitchen, cleaning, cooking, raising them babies!"

boomerbabe| 1.11.11 @ 1:14PM

Phil, maybe the guy who educated all of us on the wonders of Islam and the Koran and it's wonderful treatment of women the other day can come on and say that for us all.

da monk| 1.11.11 @ 11:29AM

John, John, now, now don't you know you lose your creditabilty when you use such gross language.Only proves your an ignorant schmuck

GavInTucson| 1.11.11 @ 2:20PM

Wow, John. Now I can honestly say I know what a bowel movement looks like in print.

Interloper| 1.11.11 @ 7:22AM

Actually, it is easy not to put gun sights on a map of Democratic candidates, not to tweet 'Don't retreat. Reload,' not to ignore a crowd of supporters shouting "Death to Obama!" instead of admonishing them, not to urge supporters to bring guns to public events, etc. All it takes is will. Unfortunately, Sarah Palin lacks the will to behave like a responsible adult.

And, no, citing any example of hyperbole used by a Democrat does not mean equivalency. Democrats do not urge elimination of their opponents. Republicans do. The entire nation has watched them doing it from the campaign of 2008 right up to today.

Ken Roberts| 1.11.11 @ 7:31AM

Now that is a very good start to a fairy tale .

da monk| 1.11.11 @ 11:32AM

Ken: You don't know fiction from non-fiction. Interloper speaks the truth

Stammon| 1.11.11 @ 7:46AM

Explain to me the movie about GW Bush's assasination. About all the posters of GW's head in a noose. About the Palin hanging in effegy as a Holloween display. About the runner advertising for a "Sniper" under GW's acceptance speach in 2000. About all the rocks thrown through local Democrats headquarters windows traced back to Democrats. And on and on and on. You are either woefully ignorant or a lier. Pick one.

Stephanie| 1.11.11 @ 8:48AM

Some one put up a FaceBook page yesterday that had a picture of Sarah with a gun to her head. There were other explicit and violent pictures as well. No, the left is purely innocent of any hatred. The word they LOVE to use.

ken Roberts | 1.11.11 @ 7:47AM

:citing any example of hyperbole used by a Democrat does not mean equivalency. Democrats do not urge elimination of their opponents. Republicans do. The entire nation has watched them doing it from the campaign of 2008 right up to today: No hyperbole to it they do call for killing actually killing or wishing people dead . What you are saying is it is Ok for democrats to threaten and wish people dead but no one else is allowed to do that . Go home to the basement and take a break I am sure that fairy tale you just wrote made you sleepy . Refer to partial list of hyperbole above .

DeDe G.| 1.11.11 @ 7:56AM

Democrats are weak, and we are strong. Make no mistake, we will eliminate them.

Kitty| 1.11.11 @ 8:38AM

"Democrats do not urge elimination of their opponents."

Really. Then explain this: http://tinyurl.com/644nsxv

Buck| 1.11.11 @ 9:43AM

Explain this, Miss Kitty:

Secret Service strained as leaders face more threats
By Bryan Bender
Globe Staff / October 18, 2009
WASHINGTON - The unprecedented number of death threats against President Obama, a rise in racist hate groups, and a new wave of antigovernment fervor threaten to overwhelm the US Secret Service, according to government officials and reports, raising new questions about the 144-year-old agency’s overall mission.

http://www.boston.com/news/nat.....e_threats/

Kitty| 1.11.11 @ 10:52AM

Re-read the comment to which I replied.

aware| 1.11.11 @ 11:36AM

"...according to government officials and reports..."
Think that pretty much "explains" it. Ever heard of the Crisis Cycle?

You know, as much as I detest neo cons, the Left is easily more contemptible. This is not even a political event, except for the Left's predictable attempt to make it so. It is simply a criminal event involving one obviously disturbed individual. He represents no body of opinion with his confused views or deranged actions.

The Left will use this to push the rules of debate ever more in the direction of statist conformity. The Right(or what passes for it), even now, is being more careful in its words as a result. And offering defenses where none is needed. While I'm no Palin fan, those who think what she says is "extreme" are obviously not meeting many new people. Not extreme enough if you ask me. Or extremely neo con.

Independent intellectual criticism and education of the people is, and always has been, the greatest threat to the State. Anybody advocating violence, implicitly or explicitly, is barking up the wrong tree. The State doesn't always need a good excuse to make you dead, advocating violence gives them the best excuse.
I see no call to violence in any of the examples presented thus far and you on the Left are only embarrassing yourselves with this tired old act.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 1.11.11 @ 10:42AM

Remind me again, when has someone on the right, as you imply, called for the murder of anyone?

How about when Obama says, "They bring a knife to the fight, we'll bring a gun."??

Does that qualify as "inflammatory rhetoric or is this just another case of liberal hypocrisy?

Stammon| 1.11.11 @ 8:07AM

Here is a nice little example from this morning's news:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....40542.html

Glad to know the Left never does anything like this.

coal carrier| 1.11.11 @ 8:30AM

Olbermann, like yourself, doesn’t know the difference between gun sights and fiducial marks on a map.

JLKrueger| 1.11.11 @ 8:44AM

What a joke. And so predictable. It's "hyperbole" when used by Dems and "hate speech" when used by conservatives.

Democrats don't wish for Republicans deaths? Perhaps you conveniently forget the New Hampshire Dem who regretted that Sarah Palin wasn't on the same plane with Ted Stevens?

You guys are so pathetic.

MikeD| 1.11.11 @ 9:04AM

What world do YOU live in? Here's a fun idea: Try the "TURNABOUT" GAME! Take some current situation and turn it back to what would have happened if George Bush had done it. Like: If Bush hid every aspect of his life. The media resorted to making up dirt because they couldn't find any; (Dan Blather) but barry gets away with hiding EVERYTHING about his past.

Or, what would the morons in the media have done if the GOP jammed through a healthcare abomination in the middle of the night after it became abundantly clear that the American people did not want it?

You want to play "Conspiracy Theory" games? howzabout this: An unknown urban organizer suddenly shows up on the national scene after getting elected in the most corrupt state; then just as suddenly runs for president with a $630 MILLION war chest he refuses to explain. At least half has come from overseas. He won't even reveal his birth certificate or passports; and has used multiple aliases. Yet, the media does NOTHING to question him. Hmmm.

In 1992 and 1996 the dems ran a draft dodger for president. In 2000 they ran a liar and a thief who felt he could do ANYTHING he wanted since there was "...no controlling authority." Then in 2004 they go way beyond the draft dodger/criminal; they nominate a Traitor who met with the enemy in uniform during time of war. Kerry should have been arrested instead of nominated.

How could they top that? They did. In 2008 they ran a man with no past and called anybody who criticized him a "Racist". It makes ya proud to know what the democratic party has sunk to.

MikeD| 1.11.11 @ 9:06AM

This was a response to Ken Robert's post. It got moved because I was too slow in responding.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 1.11.11 @ 11:11AM

Fiction can be fun! But I prefer the non-fiction section of the bookstore much more.

boomerbabe| 1.11.11 @ 1:19PM

Really? Like saying "I need to know who's ass to kick"? or "I did not become President to help the fat cats on Wall Street"? or "If they bring a knife, we bring a gun"? Those were easy not to say either, however, they were said by our President, who is supposed to serve ALL the people, not just his ideological brothers and sisters. Truth be told, I have never seen a President so purposefully divisive, and by his actions, so hateful toward over one half of his fellow citizens. His words and cavalier dismissal of legitimate concerns of many of his countrymen are frightening.

boomerbabe| 1.11.11 @ 1:21PM

whoops - "whose" not "who's"

Trenton| 1.11.11 @ 7:10PM

boomerbabe, you forgot one:

"I won."

JeffW| 1.11.11 @ 4:18PM

Cite a example huh? OK.

"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida," Mr. Kanjorski said. "Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks." - Ex-Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa

If that isn't urging elimination of his opponent I'll buy you lunch.

Ken Roberts | 1.11.11 @ 7:29AM

It worked with Bush so why n0t with Palin. The left just digs deeper into the hole and don't know how to stop , everything they do has lost them credibility. Maybe somewhere in a land far far away they can come back and be in charge again .that is the way most fairy tales start .

xredcoat| 1.11.11 @ 8:21AM

Some fairy tales have bitter sweet endings. Take the Nov 2nd mid term for example.

Charie| 1.13.11 @ 4:19PM

Dear John: I do believe this is what passes for civil discourse among Liberals.

Love,
Charie

All here please note that dear John is probably in hospital right now having burst all the liberal blood vessels in his head.

Gary| 1.11.11 @ 7:36AM

Of course, normal people are outraged by the Liberal hate speech targeting Sarah Palin. It’s just more proof, as Michael Savage so aptly diagnosed several years ago, that Liberalism is a mental disorder. But, I say to them, keep it up dummies because every time they release one of these nationally-coordinated broadsides they sink a little bit lower in the eyes of the only people that matter – voters. These irrational ravings continue to convince tax-paying citizens that the Democrats are the problem, not the solution and, as such, are unfit to govern.

Stammon| 1.11.11 @ 7:54AM

And then blame it on us.

Phil| 1.11.11 @ 8:01AM

Ain't that the truth.

I'm waiting for them to step over the line, too. And then they'll see what they wrought. We are a silent army, waiting.

Doctor Right| 1.11.11 @ 7:58AM

A Nobel Laureate? An Academy-Award winning actress?? An absolute idiot like Keith Olbermann??

Who cares what these a-holes think? They sound like fools every time they open their mouths.

It's long past the time when we let ignorant, indignant liberals set our agenda for us.

Sarah Palin is the MOST famous woman in America today, and liberals are scared-t0-death of her. If they try to somehow link this tragedy to her, it will backfire on their foolish asses, much like the Paul Wellstone funeral did in '04.

These liberal morons don't understand that their ability to dominate "the message" is gone...Pffffft!...as is their domination of the media.

I wouldn't worry about their irrational hatred of Palin or Conservatives. The more they haet on her, the more we love her.

Richard Baker| 1.11.11 @ 8:27AM

What REALLY angers these lefties is that she didn't abort Trigg. That's the First Sacrament of the Church of St. Margaret Sanger.

KyMouse| 1.11.11 @ 9:51AM

Phil, Trigg isn't "a little retard," he is a child who has Down Syndrome. He can't help it. You, however, *can* help being a jerk -- please do your best to overcome it.

Phil| 1.11.11 @ 10:00AM

And you're a PC moron. Please do your best to overcome that, liberal fruitcake.

michigander_sandusky| 1.11.11 @ 10:45AM

Phil,

As a died in the wool conservative I find your "retard" comments offensive. In fact, your comments are what's retarded not Trigg!

Phil| 1.11.11 @ 10:58AM

Michigan sucks, dude.

KyMouse| 1.11.11 @ 3:05PM

Phil, do you really believe that compassion is political correctness? I hope that someday you will meet someone who has Down Syndrome, and that you will learn to feel some compassion. I know several people who have Down Syndrome, and they do their best at their jobs, and are blessings to their friends and relatives.

While you're busy sneering at people whom you describe as "retards" and "morons," remember that in mere seconds, a brain injury could make you the subject of someone else's cruel slurs. Drive carefully.

And if you think I'm a liberal, you haven't read any of my other comments.

milhous| 1.13.11 @ 12:39PM

The media is right about one thing: there is hatred and idiocy on the right. Where they got it wrong is that they think the left is innocent of the same thing. Hatred and idiocy permeates our politics, left and right. Thank you, Phil, for showing that the right isn't immune from these things.

butterfly| 1.11.11 @ 8:52AM

Yup. Just look at the abortion statistics in NYC.

GKPAL| 1.11.11 @ 11:17AM

The more abortions in NY City the less democrat votes. And that's good for the city and the country. Hope they bouble.Don't you?

Daddy| 1.11.11 @ 9:05AM

My liberal hippie yoga neighbor is pregnant. She walks around all day talking about how wonderful it feels to be pregnant. I'd like to give her an abortion and see how she likes it. 1. Teach her a lesson for voting for abortion-loving Dems. 2. Prevent one more lib entering the world and screwing it up for the rest of us.

LiveFreeOrDie| 1.11.11 @ 11:21AM

"I'd like to give her an abortion and see how she likes it. "

You're horrible, don't be an ass! Or are you a fake from Kos pretending to be conservative then making ridiculous and violent statements?

Stormzeye| 1.11.11 @ 5:03PM

Of course "Daddy" and "Phil" and all these other children who are posing as Conservatives and Tea Partiers are in fact paid to "flame" us and other comment sites in the name of progressivism. They are plants and, in fact, think like plants. It's good though to see them behave as they do. It only validates our arguments against liberal/progressiveism.

**posttenebraslux**| 1.12.11 @ 8:20AM

Restraint Daddy please. When she bothers you again with how wonderful it feels to be pregnant, ask her if she is having a baby or a choice?

Charie| 1.13.11 @ 4:38PM

Daddy, I hope you're really not (a daddy that is). You sound as though a large part of your brain is missing and I worry about the kids.

Joelspoliticalpolls | 1.11.11 @ 8:34AM

The difference between the example you provide and what Sarah Palin did was this. The examples you provided all refer to bills, to a state, to a political party. I don't think violent dialog has any place in the democratic process. However Sarah Palin targeted specific individuals for her own financial gain. In doing so for example Giffords office was broken into, the corner where Giffords office became a place for violent rallies. All 20 targeted individuals received death threats,
intimidation, and now at least 6 people are dead. Your argument is weak at best as this doesn't compare to Sarah Palins specific names list.

Stammon| 1.11.11 @ 8:55AM

And how about this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....40542.html

You are so full of beans. What about Bill Ayers? Name any Repub with a non apologetic bomb throwing terrorist as his friend. Any.
You guys are so transparent. You hate and hate and hate, but maybe it is just fear. As a minority, you cause a lot more damage than you are worth.

Joelspoliticalpolls | 1.11.11 @ 9:02AM

Hum this guy is from Brazil? This guy isn't even American how does that relate?

Stammon| 1.11.11 @ 9:14AM

Huffington post. I guess she is from Mars. Tell me about Bill Ayers? You only want to see what you want to see.

Stammon| 1.11.11 @ 9:28AM

Here's is how it relates moron. I'll scroll up for you and reprint my ealier post. Explain this:

"Explain to me the movie about GW Bush's assasination. About all the posters of GW's head in a noose. About the Palin hanging in effegy as a Holloween display. About the runner advertising for a "Sniper" under GW's acceptance speach in 2000. About all the rocks thrown through local Democrats headquarters windows traced back to Democrats. And on and on and on. You are either woefully ignorant or a lier. Pick one."

And you;
"The examples you provided all refer to bills, to a state, to a political party"

How about learning to read, then opening your mind. You are not always right, it's only your ego begging to be so in the face of fear.

Stammon| 1.11.11 @ 9:29AM

I've got snow to plow. Love and kisses to my AmSpec bretheren. It's 3 inches and still falling.

Jive Bomber| 1.11.11 @ 11:43AM

Scroll down to the HuffPo reader comments on the article and you'll see how it relates. These Americans applaud the Brazilian artist's depiction of murder.

Frank| 1.11.11 @ 8:37AM

I am not a big Sara Palin fan, but this is not her fault and clearly not her intent. She is a nice woman who loves her country and was likely as sad as the rest of us at this horrible news. That said, I think both democrats and republicans should re-examine the use of "combat" phrases in dealing with one another. Many people in our country suffer from mental illness which is exacerbated during financial hardship. If the "blame" is placed on a politician, such an individual may feel a calling to actually hurt someone.

MikeD| 1.11.11 @ 9:15AM

Frank;

This is not aimed at you, but your post did prompt it. One thing that drives me crazy is what is happening here. Some lefty/dem does or says something outrageous that proves to be totally false and even potentially dangerous. Then, suddenly "cooler heads" leap to the fray and implore both sides to reduce the rhetoric. It was not BOTH SIDES. It was left wing morons in the media and the democratic party. Do not make them equivalent. This frequently happens, and, in too many cases, the Republicans themselves are at fault because they want to come across as the 'voice of reason'. Bull! They ARE the voice or reason.

The democrats really are destroying America. They really did jam through that terrible healthcare abomination in the middle of the night. And, worst of all: BARRY DID TRY TO INTRODUCE A BILL IN ILLINOIS TO KILL ANY BABY WHO SURVIVED A LATE TERM ABORTION.

There are really bad guys in this story. They're called democrats and their wacko supporters in academia and the media. Tell the truth.

Gracious| 1.11.11 @ 9:18AM

Hallelujah. They do need to be destroyed.

Charie| 1.13.11 @ 4:51PM

Do you not realize that the Democrats had Giffords targeted, too? And their bullseye map came out long before Palin's. I'd say it was more likely that Gifford's office was wrecked by leftwing vandals than conservatives, based on past performance.

Do you think Sarah Palin doesn't receive death threats? If you do, you've lost the ability to actively reason.

All those in public office receive death threats and I would like to point out that Palin is not a political person. She ran for office 2 years ago and is now in the private sector.

Finally, this shooting was perpetrated by a crazy person who was somehow angry with Giffords and had first contacted her in 2007, for what reason I don't know. The more you push this foolishness the more contemptible you appear.

NAV Patriot | 1.11.11 @ 10:08AM

Exactly right.

There. is. no. moral. equivalency. between. Abortion. loving. Dems. and. Americans.

Stammon| 1.11.11 @ 10:21AM

mmmmmmmmmm.
Epsom salts.

You're absolutly right, but the killers on the left can only displace their guilt.

That's why it's our fault.

Al Adab| 1.11.11 @ 11:29AM

Interesting point. Perhaps, fifty million deaths later, we are so inured to killing, to the sacrifice of babies to the god Choice, that we are cold to it. The shooter as victim, all deviant behavior as "mental illness". We could eliminate murder in America by simply defining it as retroactive abortion.

BobinWNY| 1.11.11 @ 8:41AM

Aaron Goldstein wrote: " .... then there is no hope for elevation of our public discourse."

Exactly. The poeple you describe do not wish to elevate the public discourse to that of discussing the issues of the day. They would lose that argument. Why? Because their agenda is that the 20% of the "intelligent" should conrol the 80% of us "knuckle draggers." And, we ain't buying.

Trenton| 1.11.11 @ 7:18PM

Well said! We really do need to stop being concerned about offending the devil. (Figure of speech, folks)

The Left uses "offense" as a political weapon; it's part of the Alinsky Way. They have institutionalized "being offended." It's time to stop playing their game.

Iron Mike| 1.11.11 @ 8:42AM

Say, I'm just wondering, could we stop blaming ANYONE except the (alleged) shooter for the killings? By the logic being used by so-called "progressive" opinion, Al Gore is responsible for the UnaBomber, the Beatles are responsible for the Manson murders, and video games are responsible for the Columbine shootings.

How's about we pin the blame on the assholes pulling the trigger? Just a thought

Iron Skull| 1.11.11 @ 9:36AM

Yeah, it couldn't be the political climate, now, could it?

http://www.boston.com/news/nat.....e_threats/

Richard Baker| 1.11.11 @ 8:46AM

Phil:
The picture next to the word inane in the dictionary is yours. Do you pick the wings off of flies for a hobby?

rongordo | 1.11.11 @ 9:14AM

Although I agree with your point of basic exageration speech in politics, I DO believe that the DNC and lots of the leadership think of conservatism as a true enemy. They attack it on every front- verbally, in court, legislatively, etc- much more vehemently than they EVER go after terrorism or other crime in general. This masacre is a perfect example of it: Less anger at the actual killer than at Palin.

dev| 1.11.11 @ 9:25AM

Palin is just there to take the media heat for the republicans. They are trying to make us think she's going to run for 2012 or something while they try to round up more candidates.

Buck| 1.11.11 @ 9:34AM

http://www.boston.com/news/nat.....e_threats/

Anthony| 1.11.11 @ 9:46AM

This tragedy changes nothing. All it does now is ratchet things up at a higher and faster level. The hatred of Sarah Palin by the left has been called Palin Derangement Syndrome, and it is an appropiate label.
While these same lefty elites dismiss Palin as a lightweight and other dismissive slights, nonetheless, their obsession with her is palpable. As the expression goes, Palin lives rent free in the heads of these brainless lefties.
The left will of course dismiss all references to "hate speech" by them and their leaders, from Obozo, to Gore, to Clinton etc etc, but will contort their brains to make a connection to Palin.
As has been noted, the Unibomber had a copy of Gore's gibberish, yet never once did the left wring their hands over Gore's role in influencing him.
The whole idea of this constant 24/7 assault on Palin is to marginalize and hopefully remove a very formidable enemy that they fear has the ability to smash their march to socialism to smithereens.
It has, to a certain extent, worked with some on the Right, much to their glee and delight.
The problem here is simple; the left and their march to European Socialism, and our desire to remain a Constitutional republic are at complete loggerheads.
There can be no compromise, no "move to the middle", one of these concepts must prevail, one must be defeated. As long as this tug of war continues in America, the volume and vitriol will get louder and louder. And then something will give.....

Trenton| 1.11.11 @ 7:33PM

I don't doubt that the Secret Service is handling more threats; my brother-in-law is a Secret Service agent.

What I do question is the implied claims of a connection to the TEA Party. According to him, they are not spending much time investigating the TEA Party or it's membership.

Of course there are exceptions to every rule, but the vast majority of threats are coming from radical individuals and groups, not TEA partiers.

NavyBrat | 1.11.11 @ 10:23AM

I just wanna get this out there right now. There is no such thing as "hate speech." That is an idiotic term invented by the PC crowd to demonize anything that someone says that they don't like. I've decided to stop using this non-word. I've also decided that I'm going to call "progressives" "regressives" from now on. Because they always would have us "regress" back into systems of gov't. & methods of doing everyday business that have been on the ash pile of history since the very first time they were tried. These are people who've given up on "The American Experiment." They are no better than most Europeans who don't understand what makes this country DIFFERENT from every other nation on the planet. I find it not only frustrating, but also incredibly sad.

These people are certifiable. Now, EVERYTHING is "hate speech." Here's an example that happened to me this weekend:

I had replied to an email that my liberal cousin had written me. I was agreeing with her in my reply (a rarity) & used this quote from Cicero to illustrate my agreement:

"A bureaucrat is the most despicable of men, though he is needed as vultures are needed, but one hardly admires vultures whom bureaucrats so strangely resemble. I have yet to meet a bureaucrat who was not petty, dull, almost witless, crafty or stupid, an oppressor or a thief, a holder of little authority in which he delights, as a boy delights in possessing a vicious dog. Who can trust such creatures?"

When I called her Saturday to see if she got my reply, she said that she had, but "didn't appreciate that quote." When I asked her why, she told me that "speech like that leads to what happened today." I almost dropped my phone. So now, reading Cicero will lead you to want to kill people. Huh! Who knew?

wodiej| 1.11.11 @ 10:09AM

I pray for all the people on here who are so filled with hate they don't even know what they are doing. I am sure many others are doing the same for you.

Nick| 1.11.11 @ 11:53AM

Greer and Buck?

Is that your names, or is that what you do?

Nick| 1.11.11 @ 2:14PM

Frank,

I don't know.
But, it sure sounds like a homo sex act, doesn't it?

Buck| 1.11.11 @ 10:35AM

Seriously, NavyBrat, isn't that true? Child molesters have known for decades, through their network, that their safest bet is to become a Catholic priest. Fluffs, through their networks, have known for years and years that the best way to get some manflesh is to join the Navy.

NavyBrat | 1.11.11 @ 11:00AM

Buck & Greer:

You guys sound like you spoon together on cold nights, so why are you speaking in such homophobic & incendiary terms? Do you hate yourselves that bad? How bout instead of sucking each other's schlongs, you both go suck on a tailpipe or a shotgun? Do the world a favor.

Placida| 1.11.11 @ 11:10AM

NavyBrat, stop sharing your homoerotic fantasies! They're making me sick.

NavyBrat | 1.11.11 @ 11:21AM

Then go read something else. I can't help it that Buck & Greer are all hot to trot about gay sex in the Navy. Since I'm sure the Navy won't take them, I'm sure they can go on one of those NAMBLA tours of Thailand.

Roy| 1.11.11 @ 11:38AM

Nice trolling, rofl, but you can get lost now.

Glenda| 1.11.11 @ 10:52AM

NavyBrat, here's a beautiful tribute to our men in the Navy: http://www.dailymotion.com/vid.....ion_music.

It brought tears to my eyes.

Jo| 1.11.11 @ 11:56AM

Remember how they went off the deep end when Glenn beck quoted Kipling to promote his new book? Ha! Wackos the whole lot of em'.

Aelfgyva| 1.11.11 @ 10:25AM

During all of this liberal inanity and left wing irresponsibility it has gone unnoticed that they have NOT blamed this on Bush.

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.11.11 @ 10:30AM

Heh,
I do enjoy an article with Sarah's name in it.

I don't even have to switch websites to get an understanding of the "opposition".

I joined moveon.org a couple of years ago; sent them ten dollars just to keep posted on what their so-called thinking is day to day.

Heh, they have spent hundreds of dollars on mailers etc. to me.
Several of our brighter posters have already nailed the truth pretty well above, but I could not help myself. I had to add my comments.

As I have posted many times, I earnestly pray that she runs. I would not blame her if she does not, but stop and think about it for a minute.....

The left would become hysterical as they threw the kitchen sink at her. They would literally disgust even the independents.
All she would have to do is be herself; a nice, clever, mother of five. Heh, with some truly funny zingers from time to time just to explode the communist, (pardon the shorthand), heads.

What is genuinely fun for me to watch is how she is conserving her ammunition. She doesn't get into the tit for tat we often see even here at Amspec.
She just smiles and transcends the nastiness.

Folks, you are watching a brilliant "Judo"in action politically, ie: use your opponent's attack against him/her. Every time your opponent lunges, you nail 'em with a riposte.

Margaret Thatcher was a master at it. A dumpy daughter of a little shop owner. Heh, who would have thunk it.
One thing about it; we would not have to "guess" about how she would govern. She enjoyed an 80% approval rating in Alaska up until the day she accepted the VP nomination.

She enjoyed that rating in Alaska for cleaning up the corruption in the ole boys clubs up there... and turning the screws on the "corrupticrats".

Finally, she understands very well that our whole society (US), is at a cross-roads. She will pick her battles carefully, and she will use that intersection to make the desperately needed U-turn.

OK, I will kick back now and enjoy the silliness from the Left some more.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 11:28AM

Keep comparing Palin to Thatcher and Reagan.

A sure-fire way to lose the primary.

Jo| 1.11.11 @ 11:40AM

"What is genuinely fun for me to watch is how she is conserving her ammunition."

HATE SPEECH! INCITING VIOLENCE!! THIS HAS GOT TO STOP!!

AHHHHH!

{grin/wink}

Roy| 1.11.11 @ 11:41AM

Reminding me of what she accomplished in Alaska is a bit depressing. I really hope this is just the beginning for her.

Helga| 1.11.11 @ 1:21PM

She didn't accomplish anything in Alaska. And she quit on her constituents so she could cash in with books and reality shows. Is that what you admire?

Nick| 1.11.11 @ 7:50PM

Yes, it is.
I'm not a communist.

Al Adab| 1.11.11 @ 10:46AM

I continue to be amazed by the vitriol that emanates with the very mention of her name. What is it that The Left fears so about this young woman from Alaska? Could it be that she embodies a vales system they abhore? Those who cry loudest for tolerence and understanding seem all too eager to demonize those who disagree with their worldview.

Mick| 1.11.11 @ 11:16AM

This is all Mcain's fault. If he hadn't been thinking with the wrong head when he picked his running mate in 08, none of this would have happened. And he might actually be president now. What a bad and now tragic decision that has become.

Jo| 1.11.11 @ 11:35AM

LOL Now it's McCain fault?!

Oh man, you can't make this stuff up.

Nutters, all of them.

LiveFreeOrDie| 1.11.11 @ 11:36AM

A dem was getting elected no matter what. The media spent 8 years bashing republicans and the sheeple responded as ordered. The "real" race for President was between Obama and Clinton. Establishment vs. Newcomer, he couldn't lose.

Jo| 1.11.11 @ 11:59AM

The reason BHO was elected is because the GOP chose McCain. Causing many conservatives to stay home. Had the GOP chosen a conservative candidate they may have won.

Don't forget the election results were very close.

Uber Dave| 1.11.11 @ 11:22AM

From the movie/play “Twelve Angry Men”:

Juror # 3 - Juror # 3 first asserts that he has "no personal feelings," and just wants to discuss the "facts," about how at ten minutes after twelve on the night of the killing, the old man who lived under the room where the murder occurred heard loud noises of a fight, and also heard the kid yell out at his father: "I'm gonna kill ya." A second later, he heard a body hit the floor. The old man ran to his door, opened it up, and saw the kid running down the stairs and out of the house. The coroner fixed the time of death around midnight.

According to # 3, "these are facts - you can't refute facts," and the boy is definitely guilty…

A few scenes later:

Juror # 3 castigates # 8 for twisting the testimony around to support the boy, and rails at everyone for being convinced of the boy's innocence. His threat to kill # 8 is recognized as a false one:

Juror # 3: Assumed? Brother, I've seen all kinds of dishonesty in my day, but this little display takes the cake. You all come in here with your hearts bleeding all over the floor about slum kids and injustice. You listen to some fairy tales. Suddenly, you start getting through to some of these old ladies. Well, you're not getting through to me. I've had enough. (To everyone) What's the matter with you guys? You all know he's guilty. He's got to burn. You're letting him slip through our fingers.

Juror # 8: Slip through our fingers? Are you his executioner?
Juror # 3: I'm one of 'em.

Juror # 8: Perhaps you'd like to pull the switch.

Juror # 3: For this kid? You bet I would.

Juror # 8: I feel sorry for you. What it must feel like to want to pull the switch! Ever since you walked into this room, you've been acting like a self-appointed public avenger. You want to see this boy die because you personally want it - not because of the facts. You're a sadist! (# 3 lunges at # 8 but is held back)

Juror # 3: Let me go! I'll kill him! I'll kill him!

Juror # 8: (softly and defiantly) You don't really mean you'll kill me, do you?

Could the lefties all be juror #3?

George True| 1.11.11 @ 12:02PM

Super Dave, that was a great movie! I remember watching it on a rainy day, and the whole time in the movie it was raining outside. It was almost surreal. How I wish that Hollywood was capable of making films like this today.

It was a case study of how small things that are meaningless and of no consequence are seized upon by prosecutors and woven into a plausible sounding case that actually has no basis in fact or in truth. False convictions are obtained all too often based on such "circumstantial" evidence. So-called circumstantial evidence in reality is no evidence whatsoever, combined with a made-up narrative and motive, to produce a highly believable case to a jury that is fraudulent nonetheless.

This is the same kind of fraud the left is attempting to perpetrate today in the aftermath of the shooting spree in Tucson. Some leftists, I am sure, know exactly the kind of fraud they are peddling, but they do it anyway because like all communists the end justifies the means to them. Other self-identified "progressives", like overzealous prosecutors, promote such fraud because in their own minds they have (mistakenly) convinced themselves that they are doing God's own work.

George S| 1.11.11 @ 2:02PM

It is a great movie, but I had a different take. I saw #8 as not a champion of justice, but of injustice. The scene in where he recreates the shuffle of the old man walking to the door (hypothesized from his gait to the witness stand) had me shaking my head: how does he know? He wasn't in the apartment at the time and instead he surmises the time it took to get to the door, thereby introducing "evidence" that did not get properly introduced in court. When he noted the spots on the old woman's nose, convincing the last hold out that her testimony was riddled with doubt because she could not have possibly been wearing glasses to bed, we are again assuming something that could not have been known. Was there no possibility that she did put on her glasses? After all, her testimony was that she did indeed witness the crime and her eyesight was not rebutted in court. And, the knife... he just happened upon it on a midnight stroll? Doesn't change the fact that the kid had a knife, irrespective of its uniqueness being questioned. One or two pieces of evidence being questioned is one thing, but when all the evidence that sequentially provides circumstances is summarily debunked, well... that kind of takes the fun out of it. Is the justice system that broken that a person of lesser stature doesn't stand a chance? Maybe that was the point all along, an indictment against our legal system as being racist.

Who knows, maybe that movie changed our system by encouraging Miranda and 4th Amendment exclusions as fruits of the poisonous tree. But a prosecution with circumstantial evidence is critical (since no party has first hand witnessing of crime) in establishing guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It is like a puzzle being put together where you see the picture despite the holes from the missing pieces. What defense attorneys try to do is take each piece, hold it up and attempt to create doubt by asking you if you can see the whole picture from just one puzzle piece. Much like the movie succeeded, IMO, in doing.

Fun to watch, but I saw juror #8 as the paternal liberal, who knew more about what happened based on HIS interpretation of events, much to the displeasure of #3, who saw the whole picture. That's why he had to be painted as a racist. Art follows life....

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 11:25AM

Folks, this is Sarah's first "test" as a potential presidential candidate. Carefully watch her response.

Unfortunately Sarah Palin will get a political "bounce" from this because the left, once again, will not be able to control themselves by going over the cliff attacking her.

This will be a temporary bounce, however, because in the long run people will once again come to grips that she does not, or ever will, have the makeup to win the presidency.

I will be curious to see how political savvy she is.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 11:26AM

cor: politically

Al Adab| 1.11.11 @ 11:31AM

Oh I don't know Bob, this President certainly didn't have the makeup to win the Presidency.

Jo| 1.11.11 @ 11:33AM

I agree.

If the choice comes down to BHO or Palin - Palin will win handily.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 11:38AM

Well, that settles it. Palin wins 'cause Jo says so.

Jo| 1.11.11 @ 12:04PM

I wasn't defending her - she doesn't need it.

BHO has botched the economy so severely independents will vote for *anybody* but BHO.

And independents (full of TEA ideology) according to the last Gallup poll astoundingly make up about 40% of the electorate.

Anthony| 1.11.11 @ 1:09PM

Dear Mr. Bob Grant, I've read your posts with interest for some months now, with your obsession with Sarah Palin's presidential credentials, or lack thereof, according to you.
Tell us Bob, do you spend sleepless nights obsessing on the presidential qualifications of Democrat heavyweights like Sen. Al Franken? You sure as hell don't blog about them, only Palin.
And don't tell us he's not being considered. Seems to me, any lefty is better than Sarah according to you and another poster by the name of Janet.

Greg| 1.11.11 @ 1:42PM

Anthony, how can you support someone who abandoned her post as governor to cash in on book and TV deals? She'll never win the presidency because there is no guarantee she won't do it again. Renouncing your elected post is a very serious action. Quitters don't make presidents.

Anthony| 1.11.11 @ 3:14PM

Greg, Get your head out of the lefty helium balloon it currently occupies. Palin reluctantly resigned after she and Alaska were indundated with 100s of leftists, who engaged in a coordinated effort of filing frivilous ethics complaints against her and her administration.
The leftists' game plan was to put a complete hault to her administration, to which they succeeded.
These complaints were causing the state to spend hundreds of thousands of $$ to defend, as well as causing Palin to also expend huge $$ on her behalf. She rightly thought that her resignation would put an end to the scorched earth policy of the left and allow Alaska to once again function as a state, rather than defending Palin 24/7.
So actually, numbskull, she took the principled high road on behalf of her state.
Be proud, you folks did your job well!!
As to Bob Grant: My point was you have really been over the top when it comes to Palin. You may be a conservative, frankly, I don't recall all of the points you now make, but be that as it may, my point was you appear to have a real viseral dislike for her, which is your right. I don't see you doing this with other pols, which was my point with Franken.
BTW, what path is Palin taking that you find so offensive?

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 4:01PM

It's not necessarily my dislike for her, but for another 4 years of Obama which will literally be the end of our country as we know it; I think everyone here will agree.

I would prefer to vote my conscience, and normally I do, but in this case I simply cannot picture in my wildest dreams Sarah Palin and family occupying the White House. I believe most people, far more middle of the road than I, cannot, nor will not, either. Because of this, I will support another who's conservatism is not in question and will have a much better chance than Sarah in the general.

The problem is that someone hasn't emerged. But by no means does this make Sarah more palatable.

That's the crux of it. Barring some unusual circumstance, things will not change from now to November 2012.

milhous| 1.13.11 @ 12:44PM

You're probably someone who didn't want Palin as governor anyway, so her resignation should have pleased you. But nothing Sarah Palin does, or will do, will please you. So why bother posting your junk? You're a Palin-hater. Didn't you get the memo that "hatred" is "out" this week? We have a great system and a great society, with the First Amendment and all, but the problem with everyone having the right to express their opinions is that there are a lot of opinions that don't deserve to be expressed, and with freedom comes the reality that we must suffer fools like you.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 1:44PM

I wish you would read all my posts and not just the one's on which you want to attack me.

Did you notice I've stated many times I would vote for her if she's the nominee - NO!

Did you notice I've NEVER attacked her politics? --- sadly NO!

Did you notice I've NEVER attacked her religious views which I deeply respect - NO!

I just am a conservative who believes she has no chance of winning............NONE

Worse yet, she seems to think she can continue along this path taken the last two years and pick up a majority of voters along the way in spite of numerous polls indicating the opposite, which makes me question her JUDGMENT.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 11:34AM

Not a very convincing defense of the 'cuda :-)

Jo| 1.11.11 @ 11:31AM

So in a nut shell:
It's not ok for Palin to use targets for her campaign literature. But it IS ok for the left to use them in theirs.

It's not ok for Palin to take down the map with targets. But it IS ok for the Daily KOS to take their map with bulls-eye down, and remove a loons rant saying that Gabby is dead to him.

It is not ok for anyone on the right to talk about weapons. But it IS ok for BHO to say he plans to bring a gun to a knife fight.

It's not ok for anyone on the right to discuss potential violence, but it IS ok for BIG union man Andy Stearn to say: We use the power of persuasion first. If it doesn't work, we try the persuasion of power."

I could post more, the left is full of hypocrisy.

Note to Karen - jobs left because of UNIONS and GOVERNMENT.

Greg| 1.11.11 @ 1:43PM

Okay, Jo, I asked Anthony this, and I'll ask you: how can you support someone who abandoned her post as governor to cash in on book and TV deals? She'll never win the presidency because there is no guarantee she won't do it again. Renouncing your elected post is a very serious action. Quitters don't make presidents. It's a matter of character.

Cpm| 1.11.11 @ 7:43PM

Uh, Anthony answered you just up the thread but apparently it didn't penetrate your thick skull. He outlined the true reason she left, not your and other lefties' little pet opinion that she a quitter that just wanted to cash in. Do a little research. Read what she said in her resignation speech. Then explain the truth to your lefty friends. Then beg our forgiveness for having to put up with your repeated stupidity.

milhous| 1.13.11 @ 12:47PM

Greg, I'll say it again: You probably never wanted Palin as governor of Alaska, and in your heart of hearts is glad she resigned, but your Palin-hatred requires that you continue with your tedious meme nevertheless.

Greg| 1.11.11 @ 1:57PM

Jo, I would actually like to hear your reply on this since you seem to be an ardent supporter of Sarah Palin. What is your rationale for explaining why someone would leave her elected post in the manner in which she did? How could we ever trust that person with the highest office in the United States if she can't even stay on as governor of Alaska?

milhous| 1.13.11 @ 12:48PM

Greg, are you stupid? It has been explained a number of times in earlier posts. You seem psychologically incapable of hearing the explanations, and also incapable of letting it go. Get some counseling.

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.11.11 @ 11:53AM

heh,
I think Sarah reminds Bob G. above of the athletic, pretty girl that turned him down for his senior prom.
No other explanation seems to work.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 12:22PM

Number one:

Except for one tennis player who closely resembled Gabriela Sabatini, athletic, pretty girl was an oxymoron at my school. The basketball players looked like East German weightlifters and the swim team escorted one another to the prom, cough.

The Bob Grant- must-hate pretty, powerful- women argument smells of desperation Tex.

How about this explanation: there are many true conservatives who don't think she has to date displayed the desired traits to be an effective president; and she certainly will come far short of getting the necessary votes to beat Obama.

wodiej| 1.11.11 @ 12:27PM

Ok Arizona Sheriff, is that your opinion or would you like to provide something to back up your statement. People make me SICK. Spouting off their mouth just to get heard no matter how ignorant it is. What exactly are the traits people are looking for in a conservative leader-RINO qualities would be my guess. Liberals wish for that every day hence their attacks on Palin.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 1:32PM

Palin can start with ending her petty little war with the mainstream media and by jettisoning identity politics, e.g. (mama grizzlies, soccer moms, "real Americans", etc.)

I have an issue with her judgment, temperament, and questionable leadership abilities.........not her politics.

**posttenebraslux**| 1.12.11 @ 8:59AM

Enuff. You were pretty specific in describing the women at your school, could you please be as specific in explaining Sarah's so called flaws that make her ineligible as a President? i.e., judgment; temperament; and questionable leadership ability?

milhous| 1.13.11 @ 12:50PM

In other words, Bob, Palin can stop acting the way 100% of liberals act?

Stammon| 1.11.11 @ 1:01PM

Wow!!
Ok asshole, let's take my wife as an example.
She was on the 1976 Indiana Basketball team that just lost the state championship, (the other team had two boys). She wieghts 5 more pounds than her wedding day, 4 kids and 21 years later. She is the most beautiful woman I have ever known. She is a key holder from Notra Dame. She is a conservative.
You are a misogynest and a bigot.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 1:33PM

Your logic is very liberal.

rdman| 1.11.11 @ 10:53PM

Bob Grant... re/your petty attacks on Sarah

Friend, that open mouth
reveals your
whole interior...
Silly hollow frog!

Anon.

Bob Grant| 1.12.11 @ 9:18PM

Looks like your attacks on me are equally petty, if not more.

Michael L. Hauschild| 1.11.11 @ 12:03PM

Sarah Palin has the caliber to either be the 45 or will decide who will be the 45. You will smile, you will like it.

daddio| 1.11.11 @ 12:07PM

"So devoted are they to banishing Sarah Palin from the public square that they are willing to say anything, no matter how untrue, to make it happen"

They must be very very afraid of her to give her this attention.

Louis Jenkins| 1.11.11 @ 12:07PM

Be amazed, people, that the leftist grasp at straws. Palin being one of those, they will not rest until she is pulled under, or will she rise above the occassion? Personally, I think she will overcome this brief fray. Giuseppe Zangara tried to assassinate the high priest, FDR, and did his supporters try to find a politician or political action committee to blame? (He stood up in a chair because he was short no less to get a good shot.) No! He was executed fairly quick by today's standards. Perhaps if we enforced justice, instead of blaming the other guy, we wouldn't have to look for excuses.

martin j smith| 1.11.11 @ 12:11PM

Not until now would I have felt his way but now I think Palin should run for President . It is time to flip the bird to the MSM and the energy from such a campaign might even catch on --you never know.

wodiej| 1.11.11 @ 12:24PM

IMO, Palin is the only one fit to serve. Even Pawlenty jumped ship and criticized her for using the surveyor sights on the map saying he would not have used them. That's because no one else but Palin has the guts to say what others are thinking. And she takes the heat for all of us.

Drew| 1.11.11 @ 12:12PM

Palin is failing one of the quintessential tests of leadership Americans require for higher national office.

Lets be very clear: Nobody seriously believes that there is a direct link between Palin's gunsight (ahem, "surveyor symbols") map and the actions of a deranged individual. But thats not the point.

The point is that when confronted with this tragedy, Palin's immediate response was an orgy of self-pity. Either whining about the media, or going into a bizarre e-mail conversation with Glenn Beck, in which he warned that Palin "could be the next victim" - ending up with the risible assertion that Beck "feared for the Republic" if Palin were harmed. (Sorry, Glenn, but the Republic survived the assasination of Lincoln and Kennedy.)

No: Palin's failure is that she has not only missed - but she has steadfastedly refused to take - the opportunity to step back from her (in retrospect) unfortunate statements regarding "reloading", etc.

Americans, in general, are forgiving and understanding people. We recognize that sometimes people do, or say, things that in the passage of time don't look so good.

We don't expect Sarah Palin, at this moment to accept "blame" for Tucson. But we do expect her, at this moment of national horror and tragedy, to express a commitment to moderation in her rhetoric. We expect a statement of magnaminity and principle. Instead, she and Glenn Beck throw themselves a pity party.

No thanks.

wodiej| 1.11.11 @ 12:19PM

Wrong again. Palin's first response was to release a statement extending thoughts and prayers to all those involved. Besides the private email she shared w Beck, she has been silent. So stick it up your A**.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 12:25PM

Excellent points.

The pity party jag is very off putting and unpresidential.

Nick| 1.11.11 @ 12:48PM

"Lets be very clear: Nobody seriously believes that there is a direct link between Palin's gunsight (ahem, "surveyor symbols") map and the actions of a deranged individual. But thats not the point."

Nice try, Drew. Your side definitely believes there is a link.

Are you writing this because the DLC used bulls-eyes on a map in 2004?

Also, you can expect a statement all you want. It's NOT going to happen. Ever.
We are still going to target you guys, so get used to it.

Drew| 1.11.11 @ 1:00PM

I don't believe there is any more link between Palin's "surveyor symbols" and Tucson, than is between her "Drill, Baby, Drill!" statement and the BP oil spill.

But the point is the same: In retrospect, in the eyes of many Americans, the statements look unfortunate. And both tragedies offered the opportunity for Palin to step back: To say "Yes, we need to develop or energy resources - but we need to do it in a way that safeguards the environment." Or in the case of Tucson to say: "Yes, we need to pursue our political goals. But as a political leader, I'm going to do so in a way that encourages voting and participation - not violence and intimidation."

She hasn't done either.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 1:14PM

This is where we part. To say her actions encourages violence is incorrect.

Her actions in no way encourage violence in any way, shape, or form.

I do agree - however - that in order for her to be considered a serious presidential candidate by enough voters needed to win the presidency, she needs to be smart about how far she takes this Annie Oakley persona. At times is seems like to takes it to the extreme because she can, and it furthers her little battle with the main stream media by tweaking them.

Most voters will tire of this and either sit out the next election or vote for the know quantity in Barack Hussein Obama.

(I just love how AmSpec's spell checker does not recognize Obama's name)

Drew| 1.11.11 @ 1:32PM

I wouldn't go so far as to say Palin's rhetoric "encourages" violence. But a look at some of her 2008 campaign rallies certainly indicates it encourages a certain level of "public incivility."

And there's the rub. Just as many people find a leftist burning an American flag in protest (a technically legal act) to be offensive, so do many other Americans find the action of taking a rifle to a political event to be equally- offensive.

Palin doesn't seem to understand this. And it will forever limit her appeal outside of her core constituency.

Lets also recognize that Palin's "Annie Oakley" act (as you put it) is wearing a little thin, even among her supporters. Her reality-TV show may have helped her bank balance - but her actual on-screen performance with a rifle in her hands struck more than a few real sportsmen as painful to behold. Seven shots to put away a single moose? "Putting meat on the table" - at a reported cost of $40,000 in airplane charter expenses - rang a little false too.

No, Palin seems to feel that "the media" is to blame for everything bad that happens to her. She would be well to remember Cassius words:

The fault, dear Brutus, Lies not in our stars but in ourselves..

Sarah Palin needs to stop blaming the lamestream media for everything, and start acting like a grownup. But personally, she's never given the slightest indication she's capable of doing so. Her response to the Tucson tragedy just reinforces that.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 1:56PM

Even though we are probably on the opposite ends of the political spectrum, I sadly have to agree with most (not all) of your analysis of Palin.

Conservatives need to understand in order to unseat Obama in 20012, the candidate must be near flawless and provide a real reason to vote against the known quantity. Otherwise, they'll sit at home, or worse, vote for said known quantity.

Voters are stupid that way.

**posttenebraslux**| 1.12.11 @ 9:05AM

"near flawless"? "a real reason"?, give me a break Bog Brant

rdman| 1.11.11 @ 11:03PM

Drew & Bob G.

Shallow and petty, actually less than petty!!!

Nick| 1.11.11 @ 2:12PM

Drew,

When you write, "in the eyes of many Americans" you really mean you and your lefty friends. About 20% of Americans.

Mrs. Palin "hasn't done either" because she doesn't have to. When the left starts chastising its own, for the violent things that they say, maybe we'll consider it.

And before you ask, go to Michelle Malkin's website to see example after example of lefty kook "hate speech."

Stammon| 1.11.11 @ 1:09PM

Oh bloody hell, you're looking for a God statment from a human being.

Stop being so pompus and come down to Earth to us plain folk. Sarah Palin is who she is, not the second coming. She would make a Great President. Why? Because she isn't indepted to the Washington whore crowd. She is her own person.
Grow up.

Regal| 1.11.11 @ 1:26PM

Damn right. She's her OWN whore. She quit as governor to her constituents to make millions on book and reality TV show deals for HER. She's not beholden to the folks who elected her, expecting her to serve out her term.

Regal| 1.11.11 @ 1:31PM

I mean, why would the voters of Alaska just assume she would serve out her term? She had bigger fish to fry! Bigger moose to hunt! Millions of dollars to make! Of course she would never just quit if she were elected president, would she?

Dannyboy| 1.11.11 @ 12:23PM

George True| 1.11.11 @ 12:37PM

Nice try, Danny boy, but your false flag comment won't fly. Racism, homophobia, and advocating the actual murder of political opponents are the hallmark of leftists, not conservatives.

We want out borders controlled. We want our government slashed to maybe half or a third of what it is today. We want low taxes for all (even the filth rich). Anybody who embraces these principles, regardless their race, ethnicity, religion, or sexual persuasion is our brother and sister.

That is what the tea parthy about. Not all that BS that you just spouted.

Drew| 1.11.11 @ 12:50PM

I'm anxiously awaiting all my Conservative friends here to refudiate your statements.

I'll check back in an hour or so to see how that "racisty, murderery" thing is working out for ya.

Nick| 1.11.11 @ 1:58PM

That's probably because you wrote it, Drew.

NavyBrat | 1.11.11 @ 1:19PM

Another lefty posing as a "conservative" rears his ugly head. This playbook is so transparent by now.

"Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."

(100 points for movie & character name)

Dannyboy:

Don't you have some crosses to burn & some meth to make?

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 1.11.11 @ 1:58PM

Just so everyone knows, Dannyboy is a fraud. How obvious can you possibly be? Trying to put some bs comment on here to further the lies of your slavemaster george soros and the DailyKOOK! Beat it liberal!

Thor| 1.11.11 @ 12:25PM

Left or Right...it doesn't matter...the level of ignorance and hate spewed by both sides in these comments is truly disheartening.

You people lead with your anger...which is a fool's game...

This is not intelligent discourse of the issues...its the insult laden rantings of people who really do not want to help improve the situation...you just want to hate.

YOU are part of the problem.

This is the environment which Loughner festered.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 3:45PM

Red flags should go up when someone mentions hate because it's usually followed by some whacked out proposal to further censorship or make it illegal.

Tell me sir, where's the hate you speak of?

Thor| 1.11.11 @ 12:32PM

@Dannyboy....

...and there you have it!

The truth comes out...the justification for any questioning of the rhetoric on the Right was so succinctly validated by an internet tough-guy.

You are your own worst enemy.

George True| 1.11.11 @ 12:43PM

Thor: It was an obvious false flag comment.

martin j smith| 1.11.11 @ 12:38PM

Now that you did your verbal bathrooming Thor, you may leave the room. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!

Richard Baker| 1.11.11 @ 12:39PM

Phil:
You're REALLY humorous. And so cognitive.

Oldefarte| 1.11.11 @ 12:46PM

I just wish that MSNBC would REPUDIATE Olbermann, Reed, Maddow,Matthews, etc from their airwaves, but heck, they wouldn't be MSNBC if they did so, now would they?????????

Oldefarte| 1.11.11 @ 12:50PM

PS: As to Hanoi Jane, that old washed up bag of botox obviously didn't learn her lesson from her former footinmouth declarations of her youth. Her sadly disguised attempt to BECOME SEMI-NORMAL and MAINSTREAM by marrying CNN's Ted didn't work, and she has now come back out of her liberal closet to resume her incompetitent former self personnae. What a PIG!!!!!!!!!

Oldefarte| 1.11.11 @ 12:50PM

Sam Osborne| 1.11.11 @ 1:00PM

People of varying interests and disinterests and from left to right across the political spectrum have appealed to public figures to stop using dangerous rhetoric and to realize that the irresponsible targeting of individuals (as in Sarah Palin’s call to reload and her distribution of rifle crosshairs on a targeting map) risks grave consequences for others. One cannot reload a life lost by anyone that got targeted by a political demigod’s careless spew of words from a public platform.

Even light-commentary programs like ”The View” on television had pointed out that Palin’s kind of public posturing can set the stage from which unstable personalities lash out and wreak tragic injury on unsuspecting innocents. And in this all too real tragedy, whence came the spark that ignited in life-exploding devastation?

For whatever reason, this or that will be faulted or forgiven, but the deliberate targeting of a potential victim is akin to playing with matches atop a powder keg. The warning was plain to see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....detailpage

Mick| 1.11.11 @ 1:01PM

I think we are all learning a lesson the hard way. Mixing hot dumb women and politics is like mixing alcohol and firearms. Just a deadly combination.

Melvin| 1.11.11 @ 1:58PM

Oops you forgot one thing, mixing dumb Senators with alcohol and motor vehicles. Aka Ted Kennedy, murdering Mary Joe.

Eric Cartman| 1.11.11 @ 1:13PM

It's going to be fun to watch the Liberal Aholes lose it when Sarah Palin wins in 2012. Just look at them when it's apparent their Socialist agenda is going to be dismantled and never put back together again. They had the House, Senate and Obummer and it led to a huge loss for them. Now, no Democrat will touch their agenda. It's poisonous. Say bye bye, LiberalAholes. Keep your eyes open and watch your wet dreams go down the toilet. hee hee hee.

Sigh| 1.11.11 @ 1:23PM

If she wins, the country will be going down the toilet with them.

Melvin| 1.11.11 @ 1:57PM

If you don't like it leave. There more than enough Socialist countries across the pond, that will probably be glad to have your type, especially the Anarchists.

Oldefarte| 1.11.11 @ 2:43PM

This country is already IN THE TOILET [and has been there for the last two years], thanks to the HEADTURDINCHARGE!!!!!!!!

Margie| 1.11.11 @ 8:08PM

Unfortunately, the as you say.. Headturdincharge and his followers are surrounded by the bozone layer and it still doesn't look good for them.

Bozone ( n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future.

Of course, one never knows. There are conversions to conservatism going on every day!

Bogdan from Australia| 1.12.11 @ 2:09AM

Bozone! Fantastic! I buy it. And incorporate it into my book of funny words. It is as beautiful as REFUDIATE.

Margie| 1.12.11 @ 2:54PM

I wish I could take credit for it! A friend sent me a list of words in an e mail.
Here's some others:
http://washingtonpostsmensainvitational.com/

Eric Cartman| 1.11.11 @ 1:36PM

See? Isn't this fun? Palin get's these people all heebie jeebie (or wee-weed up, if you're a Socialist Kenyan). Add to this the dismantling of Obummer Care, and it's going to be like the Fourth of July! Add to this that both Fred Phelps and Loughner are Democrats, the spitting and sputtering is going to be non-stop. http://wolffiles.blogspot.com/.....tboro.html

WEEEEEEE! This is going to be F-U-N.

Greg| 1.11.11 @ 1:49PM

Okay Eric Fartman, I asked others this, and I'll ask you: how can you support someone who abandoned her post as governor to cash in on book and TV deals? She'll never win the presidency because there is no guarantee she won't do it again. Renouncing your elected post is a very serious action. Quitters don't make presidents. It's a matter of character.

Eric Cartman| 1.11.11 @ 2:00PM

Fartman? Your rapier like wit is amazing! The answer is quite simple: I won't vote for the Socialist Kenyan. If she makes it through the primary, I'll vote for her. She may have quit for good reasons, we'll see. If she can't get over that hurdle, she will lose. Either way, she will drive you idiots nuts, and THAT is fun! Maybe it will be Michele Bachmann. THAT would also drive you idiots nuts. I see nothing but a win/win here.

Greg| 1.11.11 @ 2:04PM

You called the president Obummer, so I thought I'd prove a point. Yes, it's stupid to call names like that, isn't it? : ) I can see you are a child, so I'll stop asking you pertinent questions.

Eric Cartman| 1.11.11 @ 2:10PM

What names? It's descriptive. He IS a Bummer. It's been a sad experience for sane Americans. And stepping down from an elected post is done all the time. Can you tell me who else quit their post after the 08 election? Your "pertinent" questions aren't really pertinent, are they?

NavyBrat | 1.11.11 @ 2:11PM

Yeah. She just up & quit for no reason. Unless of course, you count all the frivolous "ethics" invesitgations/charges that were conducted/brought against her that she had to defend herself against. Hmmm. HOW many of those panned out? None. So how was she supposed to do the business of the people of AK when she was spending all her time fighting spurrious allegations that never went anywhere?

Eric Cartman| 1.11.11 @ 2:32PM

Hey, NB. Seems like Old Greg just can't get Palin out of his head. She lives their rent free. Just thinking about here probably starts that vein in his forehead throbbing while he paces and mutters "Stupid Palin . . . quit her job . . . shoots moose . . . death panels . . . stupid Palin." And while Old Greg writes furiously on a dozen blogs, all Palin has to do is post on Facebook and the Lefty Aholes and Obummer (there it is again, Old Greg) go out of their way to deny there are Death Panels in ObummerCare (Eek! Again!) Then he gets to ask "pertinent" questions about Palin. "Grrrr (vain pop) How can you support her? Quit post . . . book deal . . . grrrr (vein pop)" It's quite fun watching Old Greg.

anne| 1.11.11 @ 1:20PM

Please..please send Sarah Palin and her followers to Guantanamo for the better America! they are filthy trash!

Melvin| 1.11.11 @ 1:55PM

Hmm girl must have not taken her Ritalin today, unable to focus. More in likely a product of government run education with such simplistic linguistics in sentence structure.

NavyBrat | 1.11.11 @ 2:15PM

Perhaps you'd find North Korea or Venezuela more to your liking, since those who believe in limited gov't. scare you so much. Like I told that simpleton above, I hear North Korea is looking for new bodies to replace those of its enslaved population who've died during their little famine over there. I think the number is now 3 million & counting. They seem to have PLENTY of "social justice" over there. Who knows, maybe you can be one of the Dear Leader's concubines. At least they don't have to starve like everyone else. Until they don't "perform" correctly.

Jake| 1.11.11 @ 1:25PM

Palin brought this on herself with her dumb and irresponsible map.
The Tea Party and conservatives have nothing
to apologize for , none of us put cross hairs on the names of 20 Democrats ,
one of whom was later shot by a mass murderer.
The Tea Party and conservatives did not direct followers to Reload and take aim at the targeted 20 , like Palin did.
Palin's juvenile antics again blowback
on all conservatives.
The juvenile and irresponsible antics of the left are equally as offensive , but, Thank God , none of them can in any way be associated with , however tangentially , deadly consequences.
And we all pray that they never can be.
Shame , shame on the irresponsible and vile behavior of the left when they urge evil upon the right.
But, shame too, on Sarah Palin for her gun sight map.
That was so unnecessary and childish.
And as far as determining the motives and influences affecting the mentally ill , it's not medically possible to completely know what incites them or doesn't incite them to violence.
Can anyone say for a fact that the shooter never saw Palin's map ?
No.
Nor can we know if something from the left or a television program or a book or website incited him.
It's all speculation , but, we do know for a fact that Palin put cross hairs on a Congresswoman and that Congresswoman was frightened about potential consequences.
And that fact alone should embarrass all conservatives and Republicans.

Eric Cartman| 1.11.11 @ 1:45PM

Yeah, right. Those "cross hairs " on an election map that Loughner never saw or cared about are the problem. Maybe it was Obama's "bring a gun" speech that made him do it. After all, he brought a gun, didn't he? You know what's embarrassing? Liberals like you trying to be objective to push your nutty Anti-Palin Bullshit.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 2:35PM

Liberal? I've only read one post of his but by associating himself with Tea Partiers, I'm going out on a limb and say he leans more right than liberal.

No?

And here lies another problem with many Palin supporters who are doing the darndest (my word) to repel other conservatives, independents, libertarians, or Reagan democrats away from their girl Palin. In their myopic eyes, if you don't support Sarah, you are a liberal!!!!!

Please explain to me how this is a winning formula?

Eric Cartman| 1.11.11 @ 2:53PM

Well, Mr. Grant, you are going on the assumption he is telling the truth with his posts. I'm not. It's like the seminar callers to talk radio. The say they are conservative, voted for Bush, Reagan, etc. have been listening for years, yada, yada. BUT, they really believe we have to raise taxes to pay the deficit. When you point out that it's spending and not taxing that is the problem, they agree to a point, but emphasize that it's extreme to want lower taxes, etc. When you see a guy say he's part of the TEA party and then rip Palin for cross hairs on a political map? Guy is either a poser or a seminar caller (poster). Not being myopic, just not being gullible.

Margie| 1.11.11 @ 8:19PM

It's like that saying, he had me at hello.
This Jake guy had me, or rather lost me with his very first line:

"Palin brought this on herself with her dumb and irresponsible map."

As they say: FAIL.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 8:38PM

Thank you Marge for proving my point once again.

No real conservative would have issues with Sarah, right?

Margie| 1.11.11 @ 8:59PM

Are you sure you aren't Toddard in drag?

The guy revealed himself in his first line. You reveal yourself in your concern trolling every day.

I really despise people who twist words for a living.

rdman| 1.11.11 @ 11:24PM

re/ B.G.

Oh sorry Bob-cat
bigger blacker
knights of love
Have knocked you out!

Shiko.

Melvin| 1.11.11 @ 1:53PM

You mean like the ones on the Democrat target 2004 Strategy Map.

THE REAL MikeD| 1.11.11 @ 1:42PM

TO USUAL POSTERS:

The lefty morons appear to be out in force today; sending all sorts of posts. I have seen several posts attributed to me that I did not write. this whole tragedy in Tucson seems to have hit a nerve in the lib-loons.

Eric Cartman| 1.11.11 @ 1:55PM

Hi Mike. They can't take it that he's one of them. As the news drips out (MSM can't take it either) about Uncle Fester and how he is a registered Democrat and a lefty pot-head, they see the damage it will do to them. It's really quite fun. Watch as they go slowly insane.

Margie| 1.11.11 @ 8:24PM

Welcome to the club, MikeD.
I have a feeling I know who it is.. the same person that's been doing it to me for months. I notice he's not here today, except in a blog or 2.
I do know that one of the authors here said that they are working on fixing that. I hope they do.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 1.11.11 @ 2:08PM

Is it me? Or does it seem like the people on the left are copy and pasting their comments off some sort of "master list"? It almost seems like they aren't even reading the articles or the comments they reply to. Is a computer program posting these comments? A couple of these responses are listed under "My brain is too small to understand what they said" and listed below are obama-like generalizations that couldn't be any more vague. Typical libs. Can't debate so either change the subject or speak in vague platitudes in order to sound educated.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 3:34PM

Give 'em a break. After all, they were indoctrinated with sophomoric, illogical platitudes such as:

"yes we can" and my favorite
" we are the ones we've been waiting for"

These from - we've been told - the most articulate man who ever graced politics.

**posttenebraslux**| 1.12.11 @ 9:37AM

but, Mr. Grant, remember the "base" he was playing to with yes we can and we are the ones! 3 or 4 word chants are the most that can be remembered at one time.

**posttenebraslux**| 1.12.11 @ 9:39AM

.............p.s. in 011 and 012 from what I've read, the chants will include the word "tolerance" and "communities". Depending on what side of the fence you are on, take that for what you will or if you are straddling as I suspect you are, choose the "moderate" or "independent" version.

A H Keester| 1.11.11 @ 2:13PM

The socialists(democrats) are so quick to point fingers for blame, rather than having a meaningful dialog. Their own side spits out hate an violence: the Sharpten, Jackson, the so-called Rev. Wright, the DNC's own target symbol for Republicans. Come on Dems, be reasonable for once and have a common sense discussion rather opening mouth and insert feet before you "think".

J E Snowden| 1.11.11 @ 2:32PM

Although I do respect this publication, I must say this article is crap.

"this nation's most prominent liberals see fit to blame Sarah Palin for causing the shooting in Tucson "

Okay, so I assume we're supoposed to believe that Nobel laureate & Keith Olbermann are America's most prominate liberals? Why is nobody else mentioned? Olbermann is mentioned in virtually every paragraph!!

I want your job Aaron Goldstein. I can do it FAR better than you. Pathetic...

Joseph Durocher| 1.11.11 @ 2:36PM

May I warn visitors here of the M.O. of ship of fools. On another site (Don Surber, "Is AP anti-Palin?" ), he/she said that B.O. had released his school records to Anderson Cooper. When asked to provide a link where proof of this could be found, ship of fools disappeared, never to be heard from again.

Whitefire77| 1.11.11 @ 2:43PM

Since there are intelligent and able Conservative leaders out there. Why can't Conservative followers channel their support behind someone other than Sarah Palin, who is clearly not competent to hold public office and is more motivated by securing personal enrichment and celebrity status. She has staggering depth of ignorance.

George S| 1.11.11 @ 3:30PM

What is it about conservatives that make them follow incompetents?

How do you know her motivations? Do you personally talk to her?

Is her 'staggering depth of ignorance' borne out of ill education, laziness, low IQ... or the caricature created by Tina Fey?

Do you know her IQ? (pardon?) What Is her IQ? (Uh…..I would say it’s probably – she’s probably the dumbest ever to become President.)

Would four more years of Barack Obama be preferable to Sarah Palin?

Nick| 1.11.11 @ 3:47PM

George S,

Why won't you give her a chance?

Mrs. Palin will have to rise, or fall, on her own merits. She will have to compete in the primaries just like everyone else, and if she is not up to the challenge, she will fail.

But, the fact some Republicans are unwilling to give her a chance, or, outright attack her, I just don't understand this behavior. I expect it from the bleeding heart liberals.

George S| 1.11.11 @ 4:24PM

No attacks from me... I would crawl over broken glass to vote for her over Obama. My concern is that she is being Quayled into a false caricature that could very well cause her to lose an election and we cannot let the Left get away with that. This is the whole point of declaring her as an incompetent governor-quitting idiot with no foreign policy chops. It is the fear that she will instill the same sense of patriotism that Ronald Reagan did, and he did it while laughing at liberals as we laughed along with him. She represents to the Left the connection with the 80% of us who are not liberal. That is almost impossible to overcome at the voting booth with typical Democrat ballot monkeying. Her election could very well end old horse liberalism for generations.

As far as the attacks from the right are concerned, they are not about her competence but arise out of the fear that she will steal the show. Regardless of party affiliation, a politician is first a politician and the good looking kid who can get more votes is a threat. It is staking out turf, mostly. No one will hand over the keys to power to someone else that easily -- especially when they sense that 2012 is almost a guaranteed Republican win.

There are others out there who may be a better candidate or a better president, so let's see what they have to offer. I am not the Sarah-or-Nothing type but I am not dismissing her outright. I like her. A lot.

Nick| 1.11.11 @ 5:12PM

George S,

My apologies. I misconstrued what your point was.

You have made it much clearer. Thank you.

**posttenebraslux**| 1.12.11 @ 9:42AM

Mr. S., please tell me what candidate is "battling" rhetoric from both sides, the dims and the gold ole' boys? None other that I can see. Sarah is standing on her own right now in the front of the battle line.

whitefire77| 1.11.11 @ 3:49PM

@George S.

I said that Palin is clearly incompetent. I didn't say that conservatives follow Incompetents.
Also the above mentioned has demonstrated on countless occasions her weakness on foreign policy and other issues (through media interviews, her own public statements and publications).

Obama does lack political courage, but he's far more capable than Palin.

The American right should capitalize on his weakness's and put forward a strong and credible contender.

George S| 1.11.11 @ 4:51PM

Clearly to all, except conservatives. I challenge the assertion that she is incompetent. Was she a failure in Alaska? Not my view. Was she a failure at campaigning in 2008? Like Obama says of the stimulus -- think of all the votes she saved for McCain.

Just because a person gets tongue tied during an interview where the intent is clearly to trap the subject, is not a sign of incompetence. It is a sign of guts and self confidence, the biggest attributes a leaser can have.

No one gave a peep about Obama's extensive experience in community agitation and how it can apply to foreign policy. No one gave a peep about the fact that his academic records were being hidden (to hide competence?) and yet still there were those who professed his brilliance, not even knowing his IQ (my reference to Beschlosch above). No one gave a peep about how he never finished his Senate term and, magically, garnered enough experience to be President. Why do you suppose that is? Yet Palin is hounded to name something like the Deputy Trucking Minister of Botswana and conclusively determined to be a dope for failing to do so.

You think Obama is far more capable than Palin, but fail to say exactly in what. In turning the US into a third world kleptocracy. Ding. To turn the US into a European socialist welfare state. Ding Ding. Or to destroy the only super power capable of protecting and promoting freedom around the globe?

Obama does not lack political courage -- he has pushed his agenda regardless of the political cost. His aim is to transform America at all costs. Palin -- and other conservatives -- will reverse that course. That, to me, is paramount. Regardless who does it.

tonypal| 1.11.11 @ 5:13PM

Referring to Obama, you stated "he's far more capable than Palin." Based on what evidence?

exodus2011| 1.11.11 @ 3:12PM

A superb animation by Jack Cashill at American Thinker - "Barry and Sarah talk violence ... "

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8251389/

gary siebel| 1.11.11 @ 3:28PM

The rhetoric is not the problem. The problem is that so many of the right wing are almost retarded, often brain damaged through dogmatic religious education, and hence susceptible to all sorts of ridiculous suggestions that emanate from heated rhetoric. It is surprising how many RW continue to favor slavery -- I mean the Confederacy.

The Arizona assassins' parents claim they taught him right from wrong, but apparently they always needed a 30 pack of beer in the process. The most conservatives parents always seem to produce the most twisted children; serial killers frequently have conservative Christian backgrounds.

Left wing retards are generally less prone to engage in mass killing. (Both Stalin and Hitler were extremely conservative.) They prefer the targeted, letter-bomb approach. That may be because they tend to be more timid, but whatever the reasons, it is those raised in the closed-minded world of conservatism that are more likely to completely unhinge, finally breaking loose in some desperate act. Liberals just want everyone to be nice, and not eat animals.

tonypal| 1.11.11 @ 5:12PM

Nice try, but we know you're just one of us conservatives. I know you're trying to make liberals look bad, as if they need any help, but you're way over the top. No one could possibly be this ignorant, even a liberal. If you want to lampoon the left, you need to be a bit more clever. Your post makes liberals seem like they're functioning on nothing more than a brain stem. Again, nice stab at parody, but no one could possibly be this stupid.

Bogdan from Australia| 1.12.11 @ 2:19AM

Gary Siebel. You are getting high on your own fart. Stalin and Hitler conservatives? In the same way your head is in the place where the A**E usually is.

Evan| 1.11.11 @ 4:05PM

Your opinion sucks.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 4:24PM

You think Hitler and Stalin were conservative?

So if both of these ring wingers were alive today, they'd be Tea Party supporters protesting for a ((smaller)) government?

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.11.11 @ 4:26PM

Heh heh heh.

I love it! (I'm under cover at moveon )
I just got my daily moveon.org request to sign a petition. (uh, of course along with a donation)

This time they are preaching "debate, Not hate".
Uh, that is another attempt to tell us to shut up or go to jail.
I shall be fascinated to see how far their ilk will try to take this. It seems like they would like to take it to "yelling fire in a theatre" level.
We will see.
Ahhh,
and good ole Sarah Palin bashers who couldn't get a prom date...or were too cowardly to even ask.

One thing that does give me a chuckle is when the "useful idiots" according to the communists, keep dragging out..."why did she quit? why did she quit?"
Uh...Obama quit! Hillary quit! Joe Biden quit!
.....for a higher position.

Well, Sarah seemed quite content to go back to Alaska and continue her good work there, but noooooooooo... even after she and McCain lost, the nasties were STILL scared to death of her, and were bound and determined to bankrupt her family with frivilous lawsuits.
Heh,
She whipped their asses again, with one hand tied behind her. A fine book, and a slot with FOX, and presto, she and her family were debt free, and even had a nest-egg. Heh.
I can hear the grinding of teeth even now in this thread.
I love it!
Take your pick, communists and assorted Sarah bashers. Either she will choose to be President...or she will choose to make another few million dollars in order to spend SOME of it on splendid candidates.
Which ever route she chooses, my thought is "Go Girl! and God's speed".

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 4:37PM

Problem number 18 with Blind-Faith Sarah Supporters:

* The exaggerated effectiveness of her campaign endorsements

I could go through some of the more embarrassing high profile failures but I shant.

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.11.11 @ 5:22PM

Bob,
All teasing aside.

I am not a "blind faith" supporter. I have earned my living for 35 years sniffing out and hiring the very best of the best. In the final analysis, that is what CEOs do.
In this complex world, no CEO can be an expert in every discipline. No. Instead he/shes have to surround themselves with splendid people.

I would hire Todd Palin for any of my projects around the world...and would never have to look back....score one for Sarah.
I have made the occassion to chat with members of her administration in Alaska.
They think she was a great boss....
Score two for Sarah.
What I cannot quite understand is your need to continue...endlessly... to disparage the woman. I certainly don't expect you to admit your hidden motivation here on an open forum....but let's shift the conversation. Who would you like the nominee to be in your best case scenario?

Instead of being negative, please try being positive.
Who could you work for in all good conscience?
Maybe the rest of us have missed someone.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 5:47PM

We have differences of opinion about what "being negative" is.

An Ideal Candidate?

* A successful multi-term governor from a relatively large state who has worked with diverse groups of individuals with disparate agendas

* An individual (male or female) who takes SERIOUSLY being a presidential front runner

* An individual who perhaps leaves money on the table to spend time making real preparations to run for president. This includes indulging in any/all intellectual curiosities about what's needed to become an effective president. (No, making an 8 part reality show while the country has deep, serious problems on many fronts will not cut it!)

Still looking.

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.11.11 @ 6:31PM

Bob,
please see my post below. Heh, it seems we are talking, (writing) at the same times.
Bob, I must admit I'm a little scared. Our field of truly splendid candidates is a leeeeetle green....including Sarah.
Bob, she is the daughter of a non-union schoolteacher.
She built a life with Todd and kinda' tripped into politics.
She had no financial cushion whatsoever.
In the words of ESPN..."Com'on man"!

Do you have children? Don't you have to watch after them first if you do?

I personally appreciate her success, and you seem to be envious of it.
I honestly don't think Sarah ever imagined that the slimies would literally try to starve her children...even after she lost the election with McDoofus.
Forgive me...but if they had done that to my kids, I could never have been as "gentlemanly" as Sarah was "lady-like".
OK, so she has taken a little "time-out" to make a few million. To us capitalists..."good for her and her kids".
Somewhere around March or April we will know if she is running.
I pray that she does.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 7:13PM

Assuming she runs, at some point Sarah must leave the comfort zone of FOX News and Twitterworld to address the rest of the country.

The first time she demonstrates her grasp of an issue is, well, less than stellar, her detractors will - rightfully so - attack her for "having other things" on her plate; things that should have taken a back seat to making a 110% effort to fully grasp the pressing issues of the country.

As you so elegantly stated on one of your posts, the country may not be recognizable 1 1/2 years from now and our nominee should also understand this and understand the sacrifice needed to perform well.

She's not immune from criticism when taking a 2 year breather to feather her nest egg and attempt to show the nation what a wonderful gal she is.

She's a great opportunist, can she lead?

She doesn't quite seem to care if people have concerns about this.

Bogdan from Australia| 1.12.11 @ 2:35AM

Bob, stop craping yourself. Nobody of Sarah's supporters demand she should be nominated without going through the rigour of the primaries.

Palin herself wouldn't even accept such a nominatin as it would diminish her statue in her own eyes.

Those are false "conservatives" like you who are trying to convince Sarah's supporters that she shouldn't even run, because of your own hallucinations about her elleged unelectability.

Stop hallucinating then.

If she decides to run and loses in a fair game her supporters won't lament or carap themselves as you do.

Visit the http://www.conservatives4palin.com and you will notice that they are ferrocious defenders of her but at the sme time reasonably critical and they would accept if someone like for example Allen West won the nomination.

But there is no reason for them to love the cowards lika Pawlenty who crapped himself on the SPEW today and showed that he has balls not big enough to defend the fellow conservative. against the insane and baseless accusations.

Equally, all those bigwigs from GOP like Romney, Thune or Barbour keep silence and prove that they have not enough courage to stand for her.

Exactly when she was being destroyed by the Obama/Soros machine when still in Alaska.

So those jerks are proving that they are scared of Obama's criminal gang but somehow they will muster enough guts to take on Ahmadinejad, Hu Jin Tao, Putin, Chaves?

**posttenebraslux**| 1.12.11 @ 9:56AM

Spot on Bogdan. Sarah puts her money where her mouth is. Pawlenty (full of himself); Romney (gold old boy); Rove (meme weewee) put their money into the "machine", whatever is appropriate at the time.

Bob Grant| 1.12.11 @ 9:48PM

Come on! How can a website named CONSERVATIVES 4 PALIN be anything but pro Palin?

How critical could it possibly be?

I bet something along the lines of:
"yea, Sarah should have worn that black leather jacket again instead of that buisness outfit. It brings out her eyes."

Margie| 1.11.11 @ 7:34PM

Mr. Grant: Names please?
Who would you work for?
Inquiring minds want to know.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 7:50PM

Hi Marge,

As I'm sure I've told you multiple times there is no one out there at this time. That doesn't mean Sarah is my default choice.

Margie| 1.11.11 @ 7:54PM

LOL, cop-out. :^)

Bob Grant Loves Sarah| 1.13.11 @ 12:53PM

Bob, you're all over this thread, making the same lame point. Why do you bother? It seems you protesteth too much about Sarah. I think you're in love with her.

Forrester| 1.11.11 @ 4:39PM

Sarah Palin's political career is finished. It ended last Saturday.

Al Adab| 1.11.11 @ 4:53PM

And why do you say that Forrester? Surely you don't mean to indulge in the McCarthyite "guilt by association" which The Left so regularly decries. Of course in this case there isn't even an association except in the mind of The Reactionary Left. This shooter wasn't followng any agenda from anyone.

Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 5:23PM

Forrester is partially correct because although not a career ender, it does add a rather large brick to the ever-growing wall that separates Sarah from the much needed votes of people she'll need to win a general election.

Oh, what's that you say? Sarah's sheer personality will make converts of even the most hard hearted liberal?

Anyone can beat Obama in 2012?

mmmmkay.

Folks, it's time to wake up from this fog.

whitefire77| 1.11.11 @ 4:48PM

@ Ken(Texican)

2 Points :

Despite SP's contempt for the office, she still cant "choose to be president", she needs to be elected (which will never happen anyway).

You are right on the one thing. She will make millions of dollars (to fund her grotesquely extravagant lifestyle) from gullible supporters.

The above points are facts, soon to be proven.

Kenneth W. Treuter| 1.11.11 @ 5:14PM

Pssst, whitefire or whatever. Time will tell and when it does please do refer to Ms. Palin as Madame President. And make damned certain you do it respectfully or I'll look you up and we'll have a chat as to the reason you're not doing so. Got it? Good. Don't forget it!!!

whitefire77| 1.11.11 @ 5:39PM

@ Ken (Texican)

Yes, I look forward to you confirming that madame will (a) not be President and (b) be a mid level celebrity, occasionally popping up on FOX and other impartial 'media' shows to rant about conspiracies and to promote her next book or tacky reality show.

So I look forward to that discussion with you !

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.11.11 @ 5:51PM

Ladies and gentlemen,
Some folks here...heh...and a lot of other elsewheres...can't even imagine what harm this communist, (pardon the shorthand), administration is going to try to accomplish over the next two years.
I'm not sure that many of you can even imagine the costs to our country that have ALREADY been incurred during the last two years.

I do think that the majority of voters in this country will be sickened to death about where we are a year and a half from now, so will it matter?

Will their votes mean anything?

Treuter,
(welcome to the conversations here. You gave me a chuckle.)
Yes Whitefire, she can choose to be President, by simply tossing her hat into the ring. Obama will have either successfully relegated us to serfdom, or he will be ignored and/or thrown out on his ear.

I have often posted that Daffy Duck would be able to beat him in open and honest elections.

What WE DO NOT NEED in that event is to elect a chicken cipher with an R next to his name.

Whitefire| 1.11.11 @ 6:25PM

@ ken(s)

As I have said before, A credible Conservative candidate would win against the incumbent. Sarah Palin is not that candidate. She doesn't unify the right, she devided it. How can she be the pragmatic choice ?

Margie| 1.11.11 @ 7:19PM

You must be living in La-La Land.
Either that or I must be a victim of sarchasm.

Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it. :^)

Jullou| 1.11.11 @ 6:01PM

So, it now we are beginning to know the rest of the story:

(The Hill)- In a floor speech nearly three years ago, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid praised the sheriff investigating the deadly Arizona shooting spree who has faced criticism from the right.

Reid (D-Nev.) took to the Senate floor on April 15, 2008, to praise the “truly commendable” 50-year law enforcement career of Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.

“Clarence Dupnik is known as a man of action, integrity and innovation,” Reid said. “These skills have been invaluable to his 50 years of service to Arizona, and the nation.”

A number of media figures and lawmakers, including conservative talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh, have criticized Dupnik for saying that a high level of political “vitriol” was connected to the incident that ended with Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (Ariz.) being shot in the head at close range.

Dupnik, on the Saturday of the shooting, blasted “the vitriol and rhetoric we hear day in and day out from people on radio, on TV,” and called Arizona “the mecca of prejudice and hatred.”

Lisa| 1.11.11 @ 6:18PM

Noticed that comments re Paul Krugman's idiotic rant are not being accepted. That's Krugman's and The New York Times' idea of "free speech"!

bluecollarbytes| 1.11.11 @ 7:52PM

Keith Olbermann, dismiss thyself, for thou hast brayed as a common ass, however with half the sense.

Jim Tecson| 1.11.11 @ 7:59PM

When the historians look back on this period, they will note the tactical and strategic errors of going after Governor Palin. With her now out of the way, the Republicans have a much better chance of unseating President Obama. Whatever my opinion of any of these clowns is isn't relevant. Ask yourself this though, would the USA been any worse off with Vice President or even President Palin???

Speedypete| 1.11.11 @ 9:39PM

When this psychopath first dealt his evil blow I was hearing all this conjecture from newspapers and TV. I only was passing the channel and my news comes from The American Spectator, Drudge and Pajamas Media. The truth was there in the first day of the horror but it was lost on the main stream media. Soon their advertisers will be MIA and the TV personalities that are the news will need to look to the government for revenue. Oh yeah, and Dupnik, that was a fine piece of police work. The citizens of Tucson are stunned.

rdman| 1.11.11 @ 9:50PM

Exploitive, Opportunist Leftists

As Leftists see it, exploitation is necessary to continue to project a superior self-image. Ironically, they believe they are superior not only to everyone else, but also to themselves by exceeding the limits of their talents, thus they must take what they need from others to maintain their superiority.

Their fear of failure makes Leftists more than willing to be dishonest to get what they need to maintain at least the illusion of superiority. They are pragmatists and have no principles other than what works for them… the consequences: they lie about their policies, take credit for the work of others, or plagiarize to make themselves seem more outstanding than they are. Leftists are determined not to be losers, no matter who must pay the price for their corruption.

Leftists are ready to sell out, lie, betray their loyalties and take advantage of others to come out on top. Because they have never developed a conscience, they do not feel guilty about exploiting others. In colloquial terms, Leftists are hustlers, people "on the make," opportunists taking advantage of situations and crisis’… always to the detriment of others. Their lack of affect is also particularly valuable now… they can callously use people without the slightest thought for their welfare… "What's in it for me? How can I use this for myself?"

People of principles, morals and integrity, aware of the Leftist’s opportunism are usually apprehensive about confronting them. Leftists count on the fact that others would rather not say or do anything about their behavior for fear of retaliation. The Leftist’s lack of decency makes it difficult for others to defend themselves against them because they know that Leftists will go lower than they are willing to descend into the gutter.

Exploiting people reveals the contempt in which Leftists hold others. Because they do not see other people as real or as having value without reference to themselves, using people is not a moral problem for them… because they have no morals. Others are merely providers of attention and admiration, as objects to be used to aggrandize themselves. This is why there is absolutely nothing reciprocal about a relationship with Leftists. They will keep a relationship going as long as they get what they want, but will drop the “useful idiots” under the bus without a second thought, particularly if someone more desirable comes along.

But why are citizen voters so often taken advantage of by Leftists? The answer lies in the strength of the narcissistic desires Leftists awaken in some citizen voters. Voters unwittingly give Leftists power over them to the degree that they lack true self-esteem themselves. They mistakenly think that Leftists will somehow endow them with what appears to be their limitless self-esteem. This never happens… the sad fact is that Leftists would have no power over others if people did not give it to them.

Unfortunately for people of principles, morals and integrity, Leftists remain highly functional. Leftists do not become depressed, anxious, emotionally conflicted, incapacitated, or self-destructive. On the contrary, they depress others, make others feel anxious and conflicted, incapacitate others, and drive others to self-destructive acts. It is always others who suffer. Leftists are able to walk away from relationships as if nothing has happened, and as far as they are concerned, nothing has.

Like sharks, Leftists are extraordinarily well adapted to their environment. And like sharks, they injure and kill cold-bloodedly, and keep moving.

jstwndring| 1.11.11 @ 10:01PM

Wow. They are deeply afraid of her aren't they? I go back and forth on whether or not I think she should run, since she does such an outstanding job as fund raiser for Tea Party candidates. I still think she should do that, but, definitely, in the not-too-distant-future, she should run for either president, or, possibly a house or senate seat. The Dims clearly fear her, so, let's give her a seat of power somewhere influential in government.

Rowdy| 1.11.11 @ 10:39PM

Holy cow!! What a bunch of right winged buffoons. You people have one thing in common and that is your single celled minds.....go home because no one wants to hear you anymore!!

victor| 1.12.11 @ 3:08PM

Rowdy:
"Holy cowmanure!.go home because no one wants to hear you anymore!!"

Umm, we are home. It is you who is climbing in through the basement window unannounced.

Get thee to a Huffery!

Nite| 1.11.11 @ 10:50PM

Wow! I don't think I have ever seen as many left wing loons posting on here. Their comments boggle the mind. I guess we can see what they stand for: Socialism, radicalism, Communism. Give me a constitution loving patriot any day of the week.

hugh bnyn| 1.12.11 @ 4:27PM

---Still don't know about Palin. Seems like yet another Tavistock Institute scripted 'novelty
candidates'. And PLEASE spare us any more enmeshment
and inclusion fantasies viz a viz our political
leaders!

BTW ---we learn that Tavistock, along with Stanford Research, you know, the people who
launched the pop drug culture back in the 60's
---is also behind such 'conservative' outfits
as the Heritage Foundation.

-BEWARE-

Bob Grant| 1.12.11 @ 9:09PM

Well, well. I smell new conspiracy theory. Please continue.

Moishe Pippick| 1.13.11 @ 1:49PM

First off, it's worth noting that there are commentators on the right who have tried to pin the Arizona shootings on liberals.

This column takes the position that because Democrats have used violent imagery and words in the past, it's okay for Republicans to do it too. Wrong. Democrat or Republican, no candidate should use gun sites and language referencing violence as a solution. If Palin's website placing a gunsite over Rep Gifford's district was defensible, why did she take the site down? The fact that Giffords herself referenced it as being threatening makes it newsworthy itself.

The extremely ugly words by 'Dannyboy', whether sincere or planted, are not the only words of violence, hatred, and rash emotionalism in this comments section and others. I don't care if you're left or right or right down the center, we're all Americans and we all do better working together within the law. Of course, since it is America we have to tolerate and even defend the right to use such language. I'm proud that our country is free enough that even the Westboro Baptist Church can stage their protests, but I'm ashamed that America has produced such a disgusting group. Such groups, like the Islamic fundamentalists I saw protesting in Jackson Heights Queens (shouting 'Death to India' in the most heavily Indian part of the USA), are the unfortunate byproduct of living in a free society, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't resist acting like them every chance we get.

For using violent imagery and words , the Democratic Leadership Council in 2004, President Obama, VP BIden, Joe Manchin, AND Sarah Palin (and scores and scores more on both sides) should ALL be condemned. If you can't acknowledge that, you may be part of the problem.

Barry Goldwater| 1.13.11 @ 2:09PM

Reagan and Goldwater would be appalled at today's right wing. Appalled.

Sarah Palin is always the victim. Right after a 6 year old child is murdered in a political assasination attempt, the whole story is poor, poor Sarah Palin. All she had to do was say, yeah, let's all tone it down. No self blame necessary, just "let's all tone it down." Instead, SHE is the victim.

Man UP AS. Stop whining and simply condemn political violence and violent political language. Reagan and Goldwater would be appalled at such fearful victim mentality on this website when families are suffering over dead loved ones.

Barry| 1.13.11 @ 2:13PM

Ah, but you (AS) say, but you - Barry - came to this website and we made money because we your are here and we can sell more ads.

Hmm, good point. Selling righteous victim hood designed to make angry paranoid people angrier is indeed a very good business model these days.

Sorry I missed the real reason for the article.

4thsos| 1.23.11 @ 7:37PM

mrs palin forgives them their hate as she obviously already rules their daily lives

Dale Darrough| 1.24.11 @ 12:11PM

I can't believe anyone would pay the slighest attention to what that Great American Traitor, Jane Fonda, has to say about anything! She has proven to a generation of individuals, what a coward and traitorous bitch she is. After being responsible for putting many American fighting men in Harm's Way during the Viet Nam War, she is now targeting Sarah Palin. This communist bitch would love nothing better than to see America become a socialist or communist state, because with her slanted views she believes she would be welcomed as part of the ruling elite!
Why don't you do everyone a favor and keep your anti-American comments to your self and close your sewer mouth you miserable old woman!

Dale Darrough| 1.24.11 @ 12:11PM

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