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Barry’s Angry Words
This president is the root cause of the political anger that is out there.
Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, overseeing the investigation the Tucson shootings that left Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in a coma and federal judge John Roll and five others dead, wasted little time in blaming heated political rhetoric for the crime.
Shortly after the first reports of the shootings, Dupnick said, “The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous, and unfortunately Arizona has become sort of the capital,” adding “We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry.” Giffords’ father, asked if she had any enemies, reportedly said that the whole Tea Party was her enemy.
There is no evidence whatsoever that the attack on Giffords and the others is a result of political rhetoric. The political anger there is — built over nearly two years of the Obama presidency — resulted in a force that ejected of 63 House members last November. And the root cause of the anger is to be found in the man who resides in the White House.
Every president is responsible for the political climate while he is in office. Using the Bully Pulpit, controlling his agenda and in dealing with the Congress and the public, every president has at least great control — if not sole control — of the level of heat in American politics. When a president loses that control, like Obama did last fall, it presages a political disaster for him and his party.
President Obama is a tumultuary. He governs by inflating or inventing crises which he insists must be acted upon as he prescribes with an immediacy that tolerates no delay or debate. His signature remark — repeated again and again — is that “The time for talk is over. The time for action is now.”
Obama derides debate, and refuses to answer critics, choosing instead to end the discussion. In January 2009, challenged by Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Az) on the shape and size of the economic stimulus package he proposed, Obama cut off the discussion by saying, “I won.”
And that is his style. Whether it’s angry words spoken with a preternatural calm or calm words delivered in a visibly angry demeanor, he has cultivated the anger that propelled his legislative agenda through Congress in a tsunami of unread and undebated legislation.
The anger voiced at countless townhall meetings in 2009 was the first visible response to Obama’s stampeding Congress to remake America. People who had never been active in politics went to tell their congressmen and senators that they felt that their government no longer represented them.
But instead of listening to the protests of those new townhall activists, Obama and his congressional allies rammed the healthcare “reform” bill through to his signing ceremony when Vice President Biden memorably called it a “big effing deal.” It was, and it further distanced Americans from their government.
Too many Americans are alienated from their government because they don’t trust it. And, given the record of the past decade, they shouldn’t. Those who live in border states are virtually left to defend themselves against the encroachment of illegal aliens and violent crime. For all the spending that Obama has done, we still have nearly 10% unemployed (and many more in some states). Alienation and frustration breed anger.
And so does Obama. His cultivation of anger is nearly a constant in his rhetoric.
His style uses two rhetorical tools: stating angry words calmly or stating calm words angrily. There are many examples of each. His talent for managing anger — and his allusions to violence - first became evident in his presidential campaign.
At a June 2008 campaign fundraiser in Philadelphia, Obama calmly — almost jokingly - said “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”
On January 31, 2009, shortly after taking office, Obama used angry words calmly. Talking about Wall Street bankers in a video, he said “The American people will not excuse or tolerate such arrogance and greed.”
In December 2009 at the Copenhagen global warming summit, Obama’s dream of a new global warming treaty vanished when China and other nations balked at the economy-killing nature of the proposals. Then a visibly angry Obama hurled his calm signature line at the Chinese saying “the time has come not to talk but to act.”
About the Author
Jed Babbin served as a Deputy Undersecretary of Defense under George H.W. Bush. He is the author of several bestselling books including Inside the Asylum and In the Words of Our Enemies. You can follow him on Twitter @jedbabbin.
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Carol| 1.11.11 @ 6:34AM
Hate is a part of the left's platform.
And Obama had it pegged down.
Alinsky is one hell of a mentor.
vtwin| 1.11.11 @ 11:33AM
Peter King, a congressional representative from New York, is planning to introduce legislation that would make it illegal to bring a gun within 1,000 feet of a government official. Goddamn liberal democrats always trying to take…oh wait he’s a Republican.
Bill P| 1.11.11 @ 11:44AM
Apparently in name only - you may not have heard... we don't like RINOs around here much either.
Veracity| 1.11.11 @ 11:26PM
Here are some call-to-violence right-wing quotes:
"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus - living fossils - so we will never forget what these people stood for."
- Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95
"Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him."
- Rep. James Hansen (R-UT), talking about President Clinton
"We're going to keep building the party until we're hunting Democrats with dogs."
- Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX), Mother Jones, 08-95
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building."
- Ann Coulter, New York Observer, 08-26-02
"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."
- Ann Coulter, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, 02-26-02
JohnWIS| 1.13.11 @ 8:50PM
And we could give you, a whole list of quotes from liberals saying the same thing.
You obviously don't know the difference between right and wrong...truth and lie...good from evil.
What's your point?
W| 1.11.11 @ 12:22PM
And how would you enforce this? Will every official have a marker or tag saying "government official?"
This is so stupid there must be a democrat involved in drafting this law.
carnot| 1.11.11 @ 9:03PM
ummm....he likely never read the legislation... :-) ....
Tomas57| 1.11.11 @ 9:37PM
"Every president is responsible for the political climate while he is in office."
While I agree with much of what this piece says, I must reject this assertion. The treatment of Bush 2, Reagan, Bush 1 was out of their hands, generated solely by a viscous left-wing propaganda machine that threw out any presumption of civility.
These men chose to ignore the political climate created, and maintained by, their opposition. They rose above the hatred by acting in an adult, civilized manner. This only served to inflame the left-wing character assassination machine.
Obama - like all leftists - is using hate to propel his agenda. His access - and misuse of - the Bully Pulpit should be widely rejected by Americans of all political stripes.
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dave| 1.11.11 @ 12:55PM
How is a law making it illegal to bring a gun within 1000 feet of a government official going to prevent someone who intends harm from bringing a gun within 1000 feet of a government official?
Joe| 1.11.11 @ 5:30PM
Exactly. That's what all the gun control freaks don't get. If someone wants to harm you it doesn't take a gun or some imaginary buffer. They won't even let you take a plastic fork on a flight. What's that tell you? Evil finds its way.
Bob the Engineer| 1.11.11 @ 1:17PM
If only we had a law against murder, then the shootings in Arizona would have been prevented. Don't these politicians realize that laws only govern the law-abiding?
Joe| 1.11.11 @ 5:31PM
Well put. We are able to govern ourselves. Self governing is apparent. I don't need someone to tell me.
Bruce| 1.11.11 @ 6:17PM
Not that I hold any allegiance to this turd King - who happens to be my local Rep - you are missing the operative word of his bill. That being "one who KNOWINGLY carries a weapon within 1000' of an official." Not that it makes a lick of difference to me. I have had numerous email contacts with King and have not received a satisfactory response to a single one. The one time I mentioned that I objected to a bill he was sponsoring as a retired police officer, his response was simply "thank you for your service to the people of NY."
Conservative? No, hardly. This is the same jerk who deprived many of his constituents by picketing local venues (Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum) each time a band display was held by a unit of the British/Scottish armies. Note these are BANDSMEN - not soldiers per se. So now the Brits (perhaps rightly so) have taken this venue off their schedule, thus further depriving Americans of Scottish or English ancestry the pleasure of listening to some of the premier military bands in the world. Why? Because he is so aligned with the IRA bomb-throwers.
W| 1.11.11 @ 8:08PM
King was/is a big supporter of the IRA, and I am not talking about the pensions. Did he support any laws prohibiting the IRA from carrying weapons near the British government offices? Maybe he should work on a bill to prohibit killing by a gun, or is that already on the books?
michigander_sandusky| 1.11.11 @ 8:45PM
I have a great deal of respect for rep. King, but he is very wrong in bringing forth this proposal. As usual it will only be a law that law abiding citizens will follow. To think it will stop tragedies like that in Tucson is a pipe dream. This is just another knee jerk reaction a la Sherriff Dupnik.
JeffT| 1.12.11 @ 1:04PM
The fear of death, real or imagined, makes people do silly things. King is generally a pretty dependable sort. I guess he has gotten a lot of death threats. I think there are weapons that can shoot beyond 1,000 feet, so this is a moot action on his part. But you know pols, they have to "do something" or their day is incomplete.
Stan Redmond| 1.12.11 @ 4:43PM
Liberals are always liberals. It does not matter what party.
Edward White| 1.11.11 @ 11:52AM
Jed Babbin knows all too well that right-wing rhetoric is often toxic with raw, blind hatred. Here are just a couple of examples regarding Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh's hateful response to the earthquake in Haiti.
Hate Speech for Haiti
The Words of Pat Robertson:
“Something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about. [Haitians] were under the heel of the French...and they got together and swore a pact to the Devil. They said, ‘we will serve you if you’ll get us free from the French.’ True story. And the Devil said, ‘OK it’s a deal.’ Ever since, they have been cursed by one thing after another.”
Rush Limbaugh on Haiti:
"President Barack Obama and company will use Haiti to get closer to the light-skinned and dark-skinned black communities in this country. We have already donated to Haiti. It’s called the U.S. income tax."
If you were wondering who would be so cynical as to suggest that a president would use a monumental tragedy to gain support amongst a group of voters who already overwhelmingly support him--to the tune of 89 percent who view him favorably, natch--well, now you have your answer.
HATE! HATE! HATE!
Yes, the Right Wing Commentators seem to have a monopoly on it. You can see it on this blog on a day-to-day basis.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 12:25PM
Mr. White,
Go to Michelle Malkin's website, and see how the left owns so-called" hate speech."
To all left-wingers: Physician, heal thyself.
Oldefarte| 1.11.11 @ 12:30PM
The difference is that conservative commentators speak to RATIONAL/INTELLIGENT/INCOME PRODUCING/PRODUCTIVE constituents, whereas liberal commentators speak to IRRATIONAL/IMBICILIC/STUPID/INSANE/INDIGENT constituents. The former rationally funnel their anger toward THE VOTING BOOTH, whereas the latter STUPIDLY sometimes strike out physically!!!!!!!!!!!
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 12:43PM
Yeah, I agree - right wing talk is ALWAYS hate speech.
On the other hand, people like Barack Obama, Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Alan Grayson, James Clyburn, Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters, Al Franken, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Jimmy Carter, John Edwards, Ezra Klein, Ariana Huffington, Markos Moulitsos, Chis Matthews, Ed Schultz, Lawrence O'Donnell, Keith Olbermann, Janine Garofalo, Michael Moore, Sean Penn, Kathy Griffin, Joy Behar, Rosie O'Donnell, Andrew Sullivan, Malik Shabazz, and on and on and on - these people preach love, right? And that's just off the top of my head!
And the Watts Riots, the murders of JFK and RFK, the 1968 Democrat convention riots, the Symbionese Liberation Army, the Weather Underground, the WTO riots of 1999, the de rigeuer riots that occur wheever the G8 meets - all of this hate came at the hands conservatives, right?
And the left's embrace of mass murderers Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, Daniel Ortega, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Hugo Chavez, et al - well, supporting slaughter in the name of leftism isn't hate, it's LOVE, right?!
Meanwhile, the left could not come up with a single instance of hate or violence among the tea partiers, but that didn't stop the stream of accusations and invective from coming non-stop.
So I have a very fundamental question: How can you be disciples of an entire world view that is based 100%, exclusively, on lies, hatred, resentment, liquidation of enemies, chaos, destruction, mayhem, coercion, theft and mind control? Explain to me how that makes you good, and explain to me why our belief in individual freedom and the constitution make us bad?
Are you so far down the rabbit hole that no light whatsoever can penetrate your NPR coccoon? Or are you just lying in service of a totalitarian, statist vision in which you wil finally be able to exact revenge on all of those people you hate and have power over those to whom you consider yourself superior?
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 12:45PM
So I have a question: When Malik Shabazz called for the extermination of all white people, was that compassionate love or tough love?
I can never seem to get it straight.
RAMIII| 1.11.11 @ 1:43PM
"So I have a very fundamental question: How can you be disciples of an entire world view that is based 100%, exclusively, on lies, hatred, resentment, liquidation of enemies, chaos, destruction, mayhem, coercion, theft and mind control? Explain to me how that makes you good, and explain to me why our belief in individual freedom and the constitution make us bad?"
Grzmlyk,
They are seeking power at whatever cost! Raw, unmitigated, unadulterated power -- the weak ruling the strong (throug lies, false guilt and manipulation). The opressor using the victim's virtue as a tool to subdue them and then destroy them.
These people will use free speech to slander, insult and denegrate you; then when they achieve power THEY will take YOUR freedom away! It is the worst in human nature.
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 2:42PM
I agree, RAMIII.
The name of the game is power. That's what the entire phonied-up brouhaha about Don't Ask Don't Tell was about. It wasn't about homosexuals serving in the army; it was about another Approved Victim group getting hold of another rein of power.
All roads lead to coercion and redistribution so that the left can live off the backs of the serfs. That's what GLBT issues are about, environmentalism is about, feminism is about, the balkanization of America into victim groups is about, all of their voter fraud is about.
They want power and they don't care how they get it.
The trolls directing their vitriol at me below have not even made an attempt to refute my central contention: That most of the violence, hate, state-sponsored murder and oppression in the 20th century came from the left, and virtually all of the poltical violence, nihilism and attacks in modern America come from the LEFT.
When it comes to those assertions, the silence is deafening.
RAMIII| 1.11.11 @ 3:54PM
One thing I will add: The thing they HATE the most is the LIGHT of TRUTH!
Dixie Pixie| 1.11.11 @ 1:30PM
Mr White, If you are going to complain about "Hate Speech" it would enhance your argument if you included actual "Hate Speech" as commonly defined. Your examples were personal opinions and were in no way a incitement to cause harm.
However if your intent is to suppress any opinions contrary to your own, then calling anything you dislike "Hate Speech" is the way to do it.
Joann| 1.11.11 @ 1:55PM
Miss Pixie,
Do you mean to say that you do not find Pat Robertson's statement of why God sent an earthquake to the poor, suffering Haitians hateful?
Your response to Mr. White is very telling. You, Miss Pixie, verify what Mr. White said about right-wing hate.
Gail| 1.11.11 @ 2:27PM
Joann,
I believe Miss Pixie explained that Pat Robertson was stating his opinion; unlike our president who urges his followers to bring a gun if your opponents bring a knife, "get in their face", "hit back twice as hard", "punish your enemies", "I'm itching for a fight", "it's time to fight for it". Robertson's words equals an opinion. Obama's words equal a directive. Get the difference???
Miss Tupper Ware from Delaware| 1.11.11 @ 2:57PM
Gail, I can't believe you are dumb enough to take these little statements out of context, and extract a literal meaning from them. Have you ever heard of figurative expressions.
President Obama is a refined, polished gentleman, and he always conducts himself with the most courteous demeanor.
This is more than I can say about the rude voices on this unfortunate blog.
^ & *| 1.11.11 @ 3:01PM
Like you, Miss Tupper Ware, I find Obama to be a highly intelligent, charming man.
Could we put the blame of the intense hatred of our president on AmSpec's racist readership?
I think this is a very likely explanation. Agree?
21 and having fun at Emory U.| 1.11.11 @ 3:04PM
Racist and Homophobic and ____________ (fill in the blank with the first derogatory word that comes to mind and you won't be far off the mark.)
Oops! Gotta run. Time for my political science class with professor ________.
Nefarious Fennimore| 1.11.11 @ 4:08PM
Rude? Rude? Hey, if you don't like the discourse, don't come into the kitchen. You may find rhetoric more to your liking over at the Pima County Sheriff's Office. Please bring back a report, should you feel compelled to rejoin all the "rude" voices here.
missbosslady| 1.11.11 @ 7:01PM
"President Obama is a refined, polished gentleman, and he always conducts himself with the most courteous demeanor."
Miss Tupper,
Thank you for the funniest thing I've read all day. If you really believe the above statement I've got some land I can sell you down here in South Florida.
You sound like a teeny bopper who thinks Barack is "just dreamy". Good grief!
I was fortunate enough to be raised in the old ways, well bred they used to call it, and I can assure you that your statement is without validity. In fact, I would venture to say that your boyfriend Obama is actually quite crass and evidently lacking in many of the most basic rules of etiquette.
I am sure that Miss Post would agree.
Chichilouise| 1.11.11 @ 10:03PM
I am pretty certain she was being sarcastic.
Dixie Pixie| 1.11.11 @ 3:22PM
Greetings Joann
First, It is Mr. Dixie Pixie.
Second, The statement that the Haitians made a deal with the Devil to overthrow the French is a opinion unsupported by facts.
Delusional yes, hate speech no.
Hate Speech has a specific style and construction.
Hate Speech is language intended to motivate people to attack a person or group of people.
Associating Haitians with a negative entity is not the same as calling for the death of the Haitians because they are in league with the Devil.
The current FUBAR by the Liberals is simply retaliation for the "shellacking" during the last election cycle.
Calling a difference in opinion "Hate Speech" is intended to stifle any divergence from the Liberal line.
This is just Liberalism trying to put the Conservatives back in their place.
Gail, It is probability a lost cause to try to use reason and logic on a Liberal.
But Southerners have a cultural affinity for "Lost Causes".
Besides trying to drag liberals out of the pit of Pavlovian Emotionalism is a worthy endeavor in itself.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 4:25PM
Hey DixieP.,
Well stated about Mr. Robertson. I was going to post a comment to the same effect. Delusional more than hateful.. although he better watch the assigning to God of motives like that. Dangerous ground.
Dixie Pixie| 1.11.11 @ 5:41PM
Greetings Margie
It is always a pleasure to hear from you.
I hope my little contribution to the thread helped.
I am glad you liked it.
Ron| 1.12.11 @ 10:28PM
Pat Robertson really believes that his explanation of the Haiti earthquake is factual. It is not his opinion, but his hard core belief! What surprised me was that he did not jump up and go forth to Haiti to convert the heathens like he has done in the past. Could it be that there is not enough loose cash in Haiti to motivate him?
loulou| 1.11.11 @ 6:06PM
Your response to Miss Pixie is very telling. It exemplifys your left wing hate.
Chichilouise| 1.11.11 @ 9:50PM
Pat Robertson's statement doesn't say that God sent the earthquake to Haiti. Making a pact with the devil puts the individual or nation under his authority, and he is a liar and murderer. The first man to come to such an agreement was Adam, which was how sin and death entered the world. The world was given to man, not the devil. If man had not looked to the devil for 'truth' this world would not have fallen into decay. The God of Israel would refer to it thus: "They have made a covenant with death and an agreement with hell.' If one makes an agreement with a supernatural being that the Bible calls 'Abaddon the destroyer' they just might see some destruction. When God put humans on this earth, he gave us dominion. We have dominion over our own selves, as well, so that God will not, or maybe even cannot, help us, unless we ask him to. When Jesus said 'You have not because you ask not' he was speaking truth, since he never lies, nor does he waste words. God is mightily at work in Haiti as he is all over the world right now, doing all He can to move us to ASK. Most don't until they are truly desperate. But as to Robertson's statement, you heard what you thought you would hear because of your own prejudice against Christian believers, I suspect.
Margie| 1.12.11 @ 1:17PM
No group of people can force God to cause an earthquake, therefore what Robertson said is insane.
Do you also believe in witchcraft?
God is in control.
And besides, who are these people he claims made a pact with the devil? He knows this, how? And it is unbiblical to try and say that because some nutty people did this at some point in time that this was the reason the earthquake happened.
What authority does he have to claim this?
I have no predjudice toward Pat Robertson, just speaking honestly to what I know to be the truth according to the Bible.
If God allows an earthquake to happen, He knows the reason why He allows it.. we don't.
Not to mention that he lumped all the people of Haiti in with his statement.. I mean ALL the people of Haiti got together and made a pact..? and therefore this happened? Blatantly ridiculous.
I say that God uses even the backs of people to do His will, and Mr. Robertson's good deeds don't go overlooked by God. But when he says something nutty I can say if I think it's wrong.
RCV| 1.13.11 @ 3:32PM
Exactly right and very well put, Margie.
chichilouise| 1.11.11 @ 10:01PM
Pat didn't say God sent the earthquake. If anyone makes a covenant with the devil, he puts himself under the authority of a being whose desire is the destruction of whatever he has authority over. Man was given dominion over this earth. But if he puts it under the direct authority of total evil, the destruction that results is not coming from God. You misread the statement.
Owen| 1.12.11 @ 2:51AM
JoAnn Pat Robertson's remarks were referring to an historical event as well as a spiritual one. By the way Mr Robertson's Organization sent supplies and money to help with Hati's recovery. Millions of dollars to be exact. What did you do?
Joe| 1.11.11 @ 5:37PM
Kinda like the word "Racist". If you disagree with the president who just so happens to be of another pigment, then you're racist. That word has lost its sting and effect. It's never a fact to fact conversations with the leftists. It always devolves to name calling. The statist playbook is out in the open for all to see.
missbosslady| 1.11.11 @ 4:03PM
Edward,
You seem to be unaware of the definition of hate, so I took the time to post it for you.
hate /heɪt/ Show Spelled
[heyt] Show IPA
verb, hat·ed, hat·ing, noun
–verb (used with object)
1. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
As you can see, the word is NOT defined as opinions that Edward doesn't agree with. I know you lefties are so myopic that differing opinions send you off the deep end, but it still doesn't rise to the definition of hate.
The two examples you provided are simply the opinions of the respective indivduals, you are not required to like them or agree with them. However, the fact that you would advocate for opposing opinions to be deemed as hate, so that you can apply hate laws to them reveals your extreme ignorance, or complete indifference to the essential freedom of speaking one's mind.
Now that is really sick.
jullou| 1.11.11 @ 4:03PM
Left-wing rhetoric is often toxic with raw, blind hatred.
Obama: “They Bring a Kn*fe…We Bring a G*n”
Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose a*s to kick.“
Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”
W| 1.11.11 @ 8:13PM
Speaking of manners, didn't Obama make a point of "scratching" his cheek with his middle finger while looking at Hillary during the debates? Class act. And returning to the British the bust of Churchill?
Arron| 1.11.11 @ 4:24PM
This is hardly hate speech.
Joe| 1.11.11 @ 5:40PM
Sure does incite it though doesn't it? It's the prelude to it. And you have dolts that will act on every word he says. As the messiah. He creating class division before your eyes. Wake up.
avons| 1.11.11 @ 4:50PM
didn't bill ayers say that only 25 million Americans would have to be killed because they couldn't be "re-educated"?
Negro X| 1.11.11 @ 5:32PM
ED white troll,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow
Rahm Emanuel: You never want a serious crisis to go to waste .
Your hero woul and does use every tragedy to further his leftist scam.
Patrick in AZ| 1.11.11 @ 6:03PM
Mr White, here are some facts that you can not get away from:
The vast majority of leaches in this country are left-of-center
The vast majority of angry, hateful retoric in this country comes from people who are left-of-center
The vast majority of protesters in this country are left-of-center
The vast majority of rioters in this country are left-of-center
The vast majority or criminals in this country are left-of-center
The vast majority of rapists in this country are left-of-center
The vast majority of murderers in this country are left-of-center
The left embrasses its fringe elements, the Right rejects their fringe elements
NJK| 1.11.11 @ 7:30PM
Mr. White,
They say a picture is worth a thousand words.
The Picture Of Hate
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.....-hate.html
Rush Limbaugh doesn't have a hateful bone in his body. The only time he sounds angry is when is defending himself and other Patriots against the angry, hateful left. Take notice that he is not in any of these photos.
NJK| 1.11.11 @ 7:34PM
The other amazing part about these photos, he never lashed back at them. He viewed it as part of the territory. He wasn't perfect but he was not tyrannical.
The Picture Of Hate
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.....-hate.html
carnot| 1.11.11 @ 9:08PM
and why does the 89% support him?
bring on the good humor man!
Stan Redmond| 1.12.11 @ 4:49PM
I do not see hate in the examples you provided. You may not agree with the religious opinion of Robertson or the political analysis of Limbaugh but these are not hateful statements.
Tatiana Goldberg| 1.11.11 @ 12:03PM
AN AmSpec revered RIGHT-WING GROUP RESPONDS TO TUCSON SHOOTINGS
Leave it to Fred Phelps and his rabidly anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) to provide the most heinous response to this weekend’s shooting in Tucson that left six people dead and 14 others wounded, most notably U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
In a flier posted to the WBC website, the group, whose members plan to picket the funerals of those murdered, writes, “God appointed this rod for your sins! God sent the shooter!” The flier continues, “Your federal judge is dead and your (fag-promoting, baby-killing, proud-sinner) Congresswoman fights for her life. God is avenging Himself on this rebellious house! WBC prays for your destruction — more shooters, more dead carcasses piling up, young, old, leader and commoner — all. Your doom is upon you!”
And some of the AmSpec posters on here are undoubtedly saying to themselves, "Let the church roll on."
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 12:22PM
Miss Goldberg,
You are a liar.
AmSpec, and no one who posts here, "revere" that kook Fred Phelps.
Go away, troll.
Joann| 1.11.11 @ 12:39PM
Nick,
I think Ms. Goldberg could make the assumption that A. Spectator readers would "revere" the leaders of Westboro Baptist Church by some of the comments on this blog.
As I said yesterday in another post, the vitriol directed at gays is way over the top on this site.
We must be realistic here. Reread some of the posts that deal with gays in military and you will see what I mean.
Reread the posts, and you will see what Ms. Goldberg means.
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 12:58PM
You could take all of the comments you seem to think are "homophobic" on this site, stack them on top of each other, and they would still pale on the Hate Meter to 30 seconds of any speech Jeremiah Wright gave over a 30 year period.
What about Bill Ayers lamenting that the Weather Underground wasn't more successful at killing? I know, I know - killing in the name of Marxism isn't hate, it's LOVE, right? War is peace, after all.
Here's the truth: The left OWNS hate. Hate is was what makes you get up in the morning. Hat is what brings you trolls over to this site. Hatred and vengeance are your twin gods; it is YOU who want to get even with people by hurting them. It is YOU whose contempt for your fellow man inspires you to want to enslave him and make him genuflect before your will. It is YOU who unfailingly support murderous dictators. It is YOU who riot, destroy, rampage, pillage, plunder and defecate on every institution you see.
It is YOU who elevate the worst in human nature in order to make your own depravity mainstream. It is YOU who want to see everything in this country obliterated - except your own stuff, of course.
Hate is your sun in the morning and your noon at night. It is the mother's milk of your quotidian life.
Without hate, you wouldn't exist at all.
And the fact that we want to stop your scorched-earth nihilism?
You hate that.
Edward White| 1.11.11 @ 1:25PM
Grzmlyk,
I have been reading your posts for some time now, and I am familiar with your fanatic, delusional obsessions.
You strain everything through the ideoligical sieve of right-wing politics.
But I am first and last an individual. I do not classify myself as either liberal or conservative. I do not funnel my observations through an ideology.
You are deaf to any ideas that do not goose step to your own ideolgical marching band. Therefore, your mind is not open. A pity.
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 1:45PM
OOOOHH, Goose Step! Wow. YOu really know how to hurt a guy.
The wit just drips off of your post. Oh wait - that isn't wit.
Exhibit A of the lying left: You are neither a liberal nor a conservative.
Wanna bet?
Instead of refuting a single assertion I made, you simply engage in, oh, what's the word? HATE speech.
so I'm wrong? All of the violence in the 20th century at the hands of these dictators did not come from the left?
Or the riots and the Weather Underground and the SLA and the Democrat National Convention riots in 1968 were not fomented by the left? Those who break windows and beat people up at the WTO meetings - those are Young Republicans, right?
And am I lying when I quote Malik Shabazz? Funny, I guess Fox News must have doctored the tape, eh?
Do tell me, oh mendacious one, where I got it wrong.
When faced with the truth you blood-sucking Marxists always lie.
And gues what? We aren't going to take it anymore. So you can take your "let's achieve bi-partisan friendship (meaning consveratives just roll over and take what the left wants to give them) and stick it in your own tuba.
Mississippi Moon| 1.11.11 @ 2:01PM
Grzmlyk,
As a Methodist minister living in Jackson, Mississippi during the civil rights movement, I remember how the right-wingers treated the blacks.
You hated blacks and did all you could to prevent them from achieving justice and equality under the law.
Edward White is 100% correct in his assertions that the right wing tends to be reactionary and hateful.
How well I remember having to deal with the White Citizens' Council. Talk about hate!
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 2:20PM
Gee, Mississipi Moron, thanks for telling me - I didn't know I'd ever been in Jackson. I guess I was wrong!
I'm sorry you're so ignorant of history. The Democrats formed the KKK. Bull Connor was a democrat. Democrats fought to maintain Jim Crow laws. Democrats opposed the Civil Rights act of 1964. It was a "right-wing" Republican who freed the slaves. And those racists, the founding fathers, assigned blacks the status of 3/5 of a person because they wanted to LIMIT representation by racist Democrat plantation owners who would never vote to free the slavs.
George Wallace was a Democrat. The Great Society kept the black man on the liberal plantation by destroying the black family - but hey, they ensured generations of dependence on government handouts. And Democrats continue to support welfare policies that force 70% of all black children to be born out of wedlock and have forced black adult males to have little recourse but to join gangs.
With friends like leftists, the "black community," which you love to treat as your personal poodle, doesn't need enemies.
Joe| 1.11.11 @ 5:51PM
Wasn't Senator Byrd in the KKK? What party was he again? The Lincoln party? Guess again. Ted Kennedy sure embraced him. You know the party that wants to break up people into little segments.
Claypoole| 1.11.11 @ 5:58PM
Don't forget that Democrats have condemned inner city children--mostly minorities--to their violent, incompetently taught public schools. Ask a D.C. family about the loss of their child's scholarship to a charter school. Then ask if they know just who was responsible.
The Big E| 1.11.11 @ 2:35PM
All those "right wingers" in Mississippi during the civil rights movements, how exactly were they registered? Which party was it whose candidates they supported in Washington to represent their "right wing" point of view? Might it be the same one you support now?
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 2:45PM
Hey, Big E:
How DARE you throw anything so ungracious as a FACT at these liberals.
Facts are to liberals what water was to the Wicked Witch of the West.
It's terribly unsporting of you to interrupt their vainglorious circle jerk by injecting something so ugly as THE TRUTH into their little club. Why, you might make one of them drop their mirror.
missbosslady| 1.11.11 @ 7:13PM
Mississippi Moon,
You need a little advice from Pastor C.L. Bryant, he'll help you to get your mind right.
http://www.runawayslavemovie.com/site/
I challange you, Moon, to view the trailer for C.L.'s movie. If it doesn't move you, then there is no hope for you at all.
In fact, I recommend viewing this for all here who have not seen it before. Powerful piece.
Ron| 1.12.11 @ 10:43PM
MS Moon'
You need to research your history. The civil rights movement was resisted through the south by Southern Democrats and their political cation committee, the KKK. It was Republicans that got the Civil Rights Act introduced and passed. The opposition was spearheaded by Robert Byrd, (D-WV). The bill was prevented from reaching the floor of the House by the Kennedys aided by Lynhdon Johnson. Johnson finally relented and supported the bill for political gain, not because he believed it was right.
I am a 71 yr old Southern born white man who is proud to say I defied all of my friends in those days, worked after school and weekends at a "black" radio station and counted a black co-worker as my best friend.
RAMIII| 1.11.11 @ 1:50PM
Mr. White,
You have no ideology? Is ideology a bad word? Sometimes "open" waters could be a swamp or being in the middle of the ocean. So if I am out in the middle of the ocean I'd like a working compass, thank you. "He who is slave to the compass, is master of the sea".
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 2:12PM
By the way, Mr. Above-the-Fray, superior, non-ideological (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) troll:
What "ideas" should I open my ears to? The abolition of private propery? Union thugs suffocating the companies they steal from? Entrusting the fiscal navigation of this country to politically-apponted, ignorant bureaucrats? Minimum wage, which raises unemployment among the very groups I'm sure you bend over backwards to show everybody that you "care" about?
The Great Society, which destroyed the black family? How about the Fed's debasing of the dollar? Or maybe Fannie and Freddie putting people into homes they couldn't afford. How'd that work out again?
Maybe I should support entral economic planning, which worked so well in the Soviet Union that the country with the largest tact of arable land on the planet still couldn't put loafs of bread into the hands of its starving citizenry.
Or how about Cash for Clunkers, which did nothing but destroy wealth?
Perhaps I should embrace Keynesiansim, which has never worked (shhh! Don't tell Paul Krugman). Or maybe I should fetishize a particular victim group. Which is your favorite? GLBTs? Muslims? Opressed women? Blacks? Hispanics? Iknow: Mother Earth. She's so fragile, you know, and she is angry with us. Maybe destroying the middle class, as cap and trade aspires to do, is a good idea you think I should support.
Seriously, I want to know: What is the pet cause you support that scratches your insatiable itch of moral vanity, eddie boy?
Every single liberal policy fails. And they all fail because they are built on lies.
Just like you, Eddie boy.
On second thought, you're right: Jeremiah Wright's, "God Damn America" wasn't Hate speech. And when Bill Ayers said he wished he'd killed more people, he was talking about "right wingers" like me.
Yeah, I'm a right winger: I believe in the constitution. How radical can you get?
jd| 1.11.11 @ 2:37PM
I've been reading Grzmlyk's eloquent posts over a long period of time as well on this site and I must say that they have always been opinions backed up with data and facts, oozing with common sense, written with a biting wit that is humorous to me because you know damn well that some people cannot even grasp what he is saying because they are blinded by anything that might be labeled conservative. Keep up the good posts, Grzmlyk!
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 2:50PM
Thank you, JD - that means a lot to me!
Itsy Bitsy| 1.11.11 @ 3:37PM
It should mean a lot to you since you wrote it yourself.
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 4:04PM
Ouch! THAT was a good one.
Hey, itsy bitsy: Let me guess how you got your name.
Hmmmmmmm. . . . Brain?
MikeD| 1.11.11 @ 7:53PM
GRZMLYK:
Don't let the self important lefties who go trolling for intelligence on TAS (Since they'll NEVER find it at their "Daily Koz" home site!) get you down. A very old man once told me that the total intelligence of the human race was a constant; but the population was increasing! Those at the low end of the curve became democrats because they realized they couldn't make it on their own. Keep it up. It is so easy to annoy a lib... just throw facts at them and ask them to actually think!
Occam's Tool| 1.12.11 @ 4:40PM
Mr. G,
I like your posts.
Stuff it, Itsy Bitsy---"Your Brain is to mine like that of an amoeba."
punk it up to jesus| 1.11.11 @ 2:48PM
Hold it Grzmlyk. You're goin' to blow a heart valve if you keep up the hysterics.
You're extending far too much time and energy trying to defend your twisted ideas.
Back away from your keyboard. Slowly. Slowly. And take a few deep breaths.
Now you might want to lie down for a few minutes.
You're far too serious about this crap, and you're working those arthritic fingers to death with one pitiful, unhinged post after another.
Hope you feel better soon, goon.
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 3:03PM
Agiest! Ageist! Hate speech alert! Hate speech alert! "Punk it up to jesus" just made fun of me because I guess he thinks I'm an octogenarian (that means 80-year old, Punk)!
Whaaa! YOU'RE A BIGOT! I want my ACLU! I'm going to sue you for your bigotry! You hate old people! I'm a victim! I'm a victim! Quick someone, give me a couple million dollars I didn't earn!
I have to hand it to you, Punk. I'm surprised you can see the keyboard with that hoodie on.
You really are much wiser than you appear. You're right, after all. Why should I be serious about a metastazing socialist goverment and a rabid left wing that is just itching to transform this country into a subject state in a global marxist machine?
(I'm guessing you didn't understand a word of that, but hope springs eternal.)
Freedom's overrated anyway, right bro? Jes' keepin' it real, y'all, rtflmao.
Besides, Punk, as far as your concerned, as long as you're given your three meals a day from Big brother and allowed to pass the hours masturbating in your cubicle to internet porn, it really doesn't matter what the hell happens to your fellow man.
Right PUNK?
Grzmlyk's neighbor| 1.11.11 @ 3:10PM
Heard what sounded like a gun shot coming from Grzmlyk's house this morning, and then I thought,"He's blown another tire on his Hoveround wheelchair."
Sometimes those tires will blow in the middle of the night, and the noise frightens me out of my wits.
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 3:26PM
So let me ask you:
Can you send me the minutes to your meeting in Markos's basement where it was voted on to "zing" me with comments about my age - which is laughable on its face?
I'd like to see what the final troll vote was.
I'm just wondering whose idea it was to come up with the idea that you'd just decide I was old and then beat that straw horse.
And, I might add demonstrate the bigotry of ageism in the process. I thought it was YOUR side that couldn't possibly be bigoted? And here you are, hating on me. WTF? It's ok to hate old people now? Tsk, tsk. Well, I suppose you can march back to the Daily Kos in triumph: "Hey, everybody, Grzmlyk responded to me! I exist after all!"
Sounds to me like "Grzmlyk's neighbor" is bucking for a job on one of Obama's death panels. (You know, the ones that don't exist.)
Let me guess: You want the job where you take all the money out of an old guy's wallet and then kick him down down the stairs, right?
Sounds like a fitting job for a lying, blood-sucking liberal!
Seriously, didn't it occur to you that insulting me because you think I'm old might not be the smartest strategy in a debate?
Geniuses.
I notice that none of you rocket scientists even attempt to refute the substance of any of my comments.
Because you can't.
Mammy 'o' Mine| 1.11.11 @ 3:45PM
Mercy, Mr. Grzmlyk,
Think of your angina! You gonna be bent double with chest pains if you don't learn to control your anger and your tongue.
Repeat this little prayer after me and then lie down and take a nap, you old codger:
"Lord, let me be an instrument of thy peace. Where there is hatred let me sow love."
In thy precious name,
Grzmlyk
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 3:57PM
HAAAAAA! ANOTHER bigot heard from!
Angina? Hey, I'm a guy! I ain't GOT no angina!
Seriously, That was FUNNY. Funny and hateful. hateful and funny.
Really. I laughed. And I cried. And I thought to myself, grzmlyk, face it: you have been outsmarted by a cogent argument for liberalism AND a witty bigot - rolled into one pithy post!
Your wit, your urbanity - your sophistication, the undeniable truth of your support for leftism - without equal. Are you patting yourself on the back? You should, if you can spare the hand.
Kidding! I'm blown away how you thought of all those words and were able to put them in that order. ZING! Whose a good troll? You are! Yes you are! Good troll! Good troll.
Hey, aren't you guys late for your flash mob over at Anncoulter.com?
I know - your mommy has to drive you and she hasn't shown up yet.
Toto the dog| 1.11.11 @ 4:15PM
Grzmlyk (schizophrenic handle, I say),
Mr. Grzmlyk,
Just wondering: Do you ever take time to use the bathroom?
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 4:34PM
Who knew toto the dog was a pocket psychologist with a life outside of Dorothy's bike basket?
Hmmm. What does the moniker of "toto" tell me?
I detect a frightened, mange-riddled, flea-bitten, hapless poodle of a person who is afraid of his own shadow. I detect someone who has long since been castrated - either by a domineering mother or a henpecking spouse; it's not quite clear.
I detect a Liberal in Good Standing, which means someone who blindly supports destructive policies and tells himself he's a good little dog, running in the middle of the pack as he does.
I detect someone who dares not - or cannot - think for himself, cannot even come up with a clever riposte, and who is haunted by the knowledge that his life has just been so much grist. I detect a person whose resentments are all held in secret, who wants badly to be accepted by the big trolls, but who cannot even manage to impress that execrable stratum of society. I detect a dog who lifts his leg to pee, only to pass nada.
I detect a lonely quadruped, a limping loser, a diminutive wannabe.
How'd I do?
As to your question: Funny; I feel like whenever the trolls descend en masse on this site, it IS a bathroom.
But hey, that's what y'all do best.
FireHydrant| 1.11.11 @ 4:52PM
Gryzmlyk:
"I feel like whenever the trolls descend en masse on this site, it IS a bathroom."
Now you know how it feels being next to the Huffington Kennels.
PS I think they send their poodles here for a walk every day.
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 5:08PM
True, Firehydrant!
Well, in their reductive view of humanity, these little rabid terriers also think that human beings are nothing more than body fluid-producing factories with no inherent dignity or worth.
That's why they abhor individualism, and can sit by while the Stalins, the Hitlers, the Maos, the Ho Chi Minhs, the Castros et al of the world slaughter millions of their fellow countrymen - while these lapdogs just sit by and wag their tails, barking their approval at the wolves-in-sheeps'-clothing who aren't afraid to shed a little blood in the name of the "common good."
These drooling trolls would like nothing more than to have the dog park to themselves, where they'll able to roll around in there own feces and sniff each other's butts all the live long day without being tethered to a responsible adult.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 4:20PM
Gryz,
The more right you are, the more the little elves will come out accusing you of being "nasty" and "hateful" et al. But the you knew that already, I know.
Keep up the good work, sir.
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 4:39PM
Thanks, Margie. :-) Mucho appreciated.
Stan Redmond| 1.12.11 @ 5:13PM
Obviously you are just suppose to shut up and stop defending yourself or argueing your point. Obviously it is hateful because the liberals say so. Obviously anything disagreeing with what they deem is appropriate is hateful and causing you angina and other mental problems. Obviously a bible verse is suppose to put you in your place and give up your beliefs because the liberals have trumped you with clever out of context scripture. Next thing you know we will see "turn the other cheek" and "love thy neighbor," I haven't heard such brilliant debate from the trolls since arguments with my little brother back when I was 7.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 4:21PM
The final Troll vote.. LOL!
missbosslady| 1.11.11 @ 7:26PM
Grzmlyk,
Of course the little dweeb posting under multiple names assumes your old. He and all of his peers couldn't circle jerk their way to and intelligent thought as a group, much less indivdually, so he assumes you must be of another generation.
Poor, lost, little, dumb ass, punk, just because your entire social circle is comprised of mediocre minds does not mean that all of your contemporaries are losers.
No, no, there's a whole bunch of your generation that are actually educating themselves while your smoking a blunt and typing stupid sh*t on the internet. In fact, 20 years from you'll still be sucking on that blunt and complaining on the internet about those of your generation that became successful, class war-faring your little brains out.
You best settle in little boy, it's going to be a long and tedious road.
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 9:15PM
Thanks, missbosslady.
I just woke up from my nap. You know, here at the home, they don't allow me to stay up all day. if I do, they won't let me gum my mashed corn - or worse, they take away my Lawrence Welk tapes. You know I need my Lawrence Welk tapes.
Yeah, it occurred to me that it was one troll posting under different names; but when you think about it, all trolls are really part of the same collective, false consciousness. They're all little automatons programmed with the same bogus software of liberal platitudes.
Two things are certain:
1) They never fight facts with facts; they fight facts with lies and vitriol and name-calling, because as we've seen time and time again, reality has proven inhospitible to liberal/leftist/marxist/progressive ideology since it emerged from the days of the Enlightenment.
2) They will never, ever live in the same soulless, windowless, dreary, spare little world they prescribe for us. Sure, redistribute income - but not theirs. Sure, take away free speech rights - but not theirs. Sure, ration resources - but not theirs. Sure, surrender your property to the government or to our enemies - but not theirs. Sure, take what you haven't earned - but not from them.
So in the end, it really doesn't matter if it's one troll hiding behind many monikers or many trolls hiding behind one false consciousness.
They are all ultimately destructive, narcissistic, vengeful, self-absorbed, intellectually dishonest, puerile, phony, hypocritical poseurs for whom prejudice and bigotry are the torches that light their benighted way.
Poppakap| 1.11.11 @ 3:34PM
Clearly, you have very little in the way of wits if a blown tire makes you lose it.
Go away troll. Adults are talking here. Come back when you have facts to relate.
Stan Redmond| 1.12.11 @ 5:20PM
I find your name vitriolic rightwing hate-speech.
avons| 1.11.11 @ 5:01PM
grzmlyk's ideas are 100% right on--that's why you could only say they were "twisted" without discussing any of them.
Jullou| 1.11.11 @ 4:17PM
Mr. White (for your information):
On November 4th, 2010, the Democrat pollster Mark Penn who worked for Hillary said this to MSNBC, Hardball, Chris Matthews about what Obama needed to do to help turn his poll numbers around.
PENN: "President Clinton reconnected through Oklahoma --"
MATTHEWS: "Because of the bombing down there!"
PANNE: "-- and the president right now is seen as removed, and it wasn't until that speech that he reclicked with the American public. Obama needs a similar kind of event."
So, Mr. White, is this left-wing rhetoric, often toxic with raw, blind hatred?
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 3:31PM
Joann,
We all no what happens when one assumes, don't we?
carnot| 1.11.11 @ 9:11PM
the problem is that there can be no reasonable conversation vis gays in the military - with anyone. raise the issue of competing equities....and the "fairness" focused Left does not want to listen
carnot| 1.11.11 @ 9:12PM
the problem is that there can be no reasonable conversation vis gays in the military - with anyone. raise the issue of competing equities....and the "fairness" focused Left does not want to listen
Dagny Taggert| 1.11.11 @ 12:31PM
"Am Spec revered?" Please cite this reverence. "Undoubtedly?" Nice try Tats. While we're waiting for your citations on how the WBC is revered by Am Spec readers, we'll also sit back and count who comes to their defense. If it's crickets by the end of the day, then I will gladly tell you (in a non-angry, non-inciting way) to STFU!!
Poke, poke poke...Tats is confident she can stir up some anger here. Who's responsible for inciting anger here...un unhinged lefty, that's who.
66 and still lovin' chicks| 1.11.11 @ 12:41PM
Dagny, see Joann's remarks above yours.
I think she's made a valible point.
JKS| 1.11.11 @ 1:37PM
Since many posters here refuse to accept and embrace the homosexual agenda, that is a direct correlation to fred phelps and westboro? That in and of itself is hate speech - by your definition.
There is no excuse for westboro or their actions. They are vile human excrement.
Apparently, mere tolerance is not enough. You see the homosexual lobby has achieved tolerance in this country. Don't believe me? Just look at Iran to see what intolerance for homosexuals is really about. No, what you seek is acceptance for the homosexual community and you do it by supplanting the definition for acceptance onto the word tolerance. You have to achieve your goals by deceit.
I, and other here, tolerate homosexuals - even have friends who have chosen to be homosexual - but I will never accept their choice as normal or right.
I concur with Grzmlyk - the left owns hate, always has and always will.
Rutgers 2012| 1.11.11 @ 2:11PM
"...chosen to be homosexual..."
Chosen?
JKS, this is what the leaders of Westboro Baptist Church would say.
They are too malevolent to admit that homosexuals do not choose to be that way, just as heterosexuals do not choose their sexuality. If they tried to understand homosexuality, then they could not hate, and hatred is their raison d'etre, isn't it.
Sexuality is determined not chosen, and you know it.
But you do not want to believe this. Instead, you want to hate the gays for "choosing to be gay"?
Are you, by chance, a member of the Westboro Baptist Kill-A-Queer-For-Christ Church of The Anointed?
Poppakap| 1.11.11 @ 3:39PM
Do you have any peer-reviewed empirical data that shows sexuality isn't chosen? Didn't think so.
So since you offer no data, no proof, just projection and opinion, AND violence-oriented ad hominem attacks, you are the very definition of hateful.
Get a job troll.
arnold| 1.11.11 @ 4:17PM
ho hum
same old ho hum
rump a pum pum
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 4:09PM
Rutgers 2012,
If you want to think that it is not a chosen behavior, no one can stop you, but the truth is that God hates it and it is considered sin by Him. He wouldn't have destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and used their example as a warning to future generations of mankind. Unless of course you want to be found accusing God falsely and want to try and say He made them that way.
Unless you consider the Bible containing His words you won't admit it, but Christians who know and believe the Bible are familiar with what the mind of God has to say, and don't take sin (of any kind) lightly.
An important point to be made is that He the reason He hates that particular sin, is because it is not only wrong and defies the way He made us, but that it is harmful to the human beings that practice it. It is not His will.
He does not want His creation going against the way He created it to be. So it is out of pure love that He condemns it.
As it is written:
"Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, and every one who loves and practices falsehood." Rev. 22:15.
The "outside" here is outside of Heaven. He won't allow you in unless you turn from it.. before you die.
He makes the way and provides the strength needed to do so. It's His will that none should perish.
Jesus heals.
Clive| 1.11.11 @ 4:18PM
Watch it, Margie.
You're gonna be censored if you're not careful.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 4:57PM
Yeah, I better quick start behaving like an Anarchist or something and start cursing at Christians instead, hmm, "Clive"?
missbosslady| 1.11.11 @ 7:35PM
Sorry Rutgers, nut I'm going to have to give a big FAIL on that one.
I hate to break it to you, my little sophmore, but your observation is not fact. Although much research has been done NONE has revealed that there is a genetic "marker" for homosexuality, which is to say that there is ZERO proof that a person is born that way.
Do you know what that means?
That means that the subject is still open for speculation. Why don't you run over to the labs on campus and conduct your own research and get back to us when you have actual PROOF.
Until then, it's just your opinion, of which you fail to understand we are all entitled.
Back to class!
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 9:24PM
From the way young Rutgers is gingerly sitting at his keyboard, my guess is he's already done plenty of, uh, "research."
Gee, Rutgers, I didn't figure you for a "top."
And let me beat you to it:
"Hey, grzmlyk, since you're familiar with the lingo of the gay community, you must be gay! hah hah."
Nah. I can't be gay. I've seen a picture of John Kerry in a wet suit. What's that line from Heart of Darkness? The Horror. The horror.
No, I'm familar with gay terminology because I accidentally happened upon your web site one day.
Which reminds me: Was that ferrett dead when they pulled it out?
MikeD| 1.11.11 @ 8:09PM
Homosexuals want it both ways. If they agree that it is a genetic condition they have no control over, that makes them victims; but, if they agree that it is a life style choice; that makes them deviants. Which is it? Victims or deviants? You can't have it both ways.
It also makes me think of the democrat strategy of "BLANDIZATION". That is when the dems re-name deviant, illegal, immoral, or just plain evil behavior with some 'bland' title; like "GAY", or "CHOICE"
"GAY" sounds like a bunch of happy people dancing and having fun instead of penetrating unnatural orifices in unnatural ways while passing STD's around with complete abandon; exposing humanity to a terrible disease that is passed by purely voluntary and controllable means.
Then there's "CHOICE". The image is of people deliberating options about a way to spend the evening, or where to go for dinner. BUT...NO! What it means is people deciding to suck the brains out of living babies in the womb and tearing the pieces of a once living child out bit by bit. Then, of course, is the "wonderful" practice of "LATE TERM ABORTION",ie, "CHOICE" to do the same to a nearly full term baby that is fully aware of what is happening yet cannot scream because the brain has been sucked out AFTER the baby's head was already outside the 'mother'.
For those of you who think Barack Obama is wonderful; ask about the bill he advocated in Illinois that would make it a crime for a doctor to save the life of a living, breathing child who managed to survive the brutal attempt to murder it. Yup; that's what dems believe in. If they didn't; they wouldn't have voted for obama. Words have meanings. "GAY" AND "CHOICE" certainly do. Is THIS hate speech?
carnot| 1.11.11 @ 9:15PM
but the reaction to homosexuality...of course...is all a matter of will.
Margie| 1.12.11 @ 1:32PM
I'd be more concerned with God's reaction.
Read the Bible.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 1:20PM
If this so-called "man" said those things, he is NO Christian and should not be considered one.
Nor does he represent Bible believing Christians the world over. I'm talking true Christians.
If I ever met him face to face I would tell him he is disgusting and despicable and that unless he repents he's on his way to Hell.
So please do not pin this creep's words or actions on any, ANY of us Christians and or conservatives, especially at AmSpec.
Eric Cartman| 1.11.11 @ 1:22PM
Phelps is a Democrat - like Loughner :
http://wolffiles.blogspot.com/.....tboro.html
Seems Lefties keep fucking up the facts. Hee hee hee
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 2:10PM
Thanks for posting that, Eric.
Surprise, surprise!
YeloStalyn| 1.11.11 @ 3:05PM
Just a heads up... there are also reports, with pictures from the AZ Sec. of St. page shownig he was registered as a (R). Photoshop strikes again... and the truth is the victim. So... the only thing we have to go on for Mr. Loughner's political ideology is from things people have said about him who knew him and frmo things he said himself... all of which put him closer to the left (FAR closer) than the right... although given his spastic ideas and rants... it may be, without more info on him and/or from him), a bit dishonest to plant him squarly in that camp. Especially if you consider that he killed a conservative judge and shot a left leaning congresswoman... mixed signals.
Eric Cartman| 1.11.11 @ 3:30PM
Where is this proof? Would like t o see the page. But Phelps is Democrat. Ran as one for years.
Poppakap| 1.11.11 @ 3:41PM
His personal affinity for Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto is enough proof for me. Those were the killers own words Cartman.
Eric Cartman| 1.11.11 @ 3:50PM
Well, yeah - he's a nut. But I'm talking about the photo-shopped voter registration. I've seen one that has him as a D. Where 's the one showing an R?
Indy| 1.11.11 @ 4:29PM
http://hillbuzz.org/2010/12/11.....11th-2010/
Yes. Fred Phelps is a lifelong Democrat who ran for Governor of Kansas three times…in 1990, 1994, and 1998. Fred Phelps ran as a Democrat. Fred Phelps is a Democrat who strongly supported Al Gore for years, briefly broke away from Gore during the Clinton years because Phelps hates both Bill and Hillary Clinton with a passion (because of Bill’s infidelities), but has seemingly reconciled with Gore and loves him again. Phelps’ son is also a big Al Gore supporter and was a Gore delegate in 1988 to the Democrat Convention.
Westboro Baptist is a Democrat organization that exists as a hate-group run by Democrat Fred Phelps, the former Democrat contender for Governor of Kansas in 1990, 1994, and 1998. Phelps and Westboro Baptist hate the United States Military and engage in picketing military funerals. They also hate gays, which is consistent with the Democrat Party’s general feeling towards the gay community — if people are sharp enough to cut through the PC propaganda and take a hard look on how Democrats in general really see gays. Gay men, in particular, are what’s known as a gAyTM…a gay ATM that pumps out cash whenever Democrats need it. Democrats then do nothing for gays…except keep constant vigil for any signs of gay men stepping off the reservation and starting to vote in their economic best interests. At which point the Democrat Party powers up the Alinsky Methods death star to personally destroy any gays who dare defy them. Respected gay activists such as Cleave Jones — Harvey Milk’s lieutenant in 1970s San Francisco — speak out on this issue all the time, that Democrats use gays for a funding source but have great contempt for them and are, in fact, more hateful toward gays than conservatives because the image of the gay-hating conservative is actually conjured by the Left as a boogeyman in the gay community, using Democrats like Fred Phelps and his Democrat hate-group Westboro Baptist to provide the caricature the Left wants to imprint on conservatism. It is all straight out of Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, and it unfortunately works like gangbusters because the gay community’s self-appointed “leaders” march lockstep with whatever the DNC says, targeting any gays who dare step off the reservation Democrats want them kept on. The Left deliberately misleads the public into believing Westboro Baptist (and, really, any organization that even remotely reads as “religious” and tangentially related to Christianity) is a Republican group so that it can keep a wedge in place between gays and conservatism…lest gays, especially gay men, wake up and start voting conservative in their own economic best interests. This is all part of the elaborate and Byzantine mechanism Democrats have in place to retain power and maintain their hold over the gay identity voter bloc that’s the heart of the Democrats’ fundraising operation.
Folks here would be interested in a link to support your position
carnot| 1.11.11 @ 9:17PM
good catch!
does he have a birth certificate from HA?
dwb| 1.11.11 @ 3:27PM
Ummm, you do realize Fred Phelps is a Democrat don't you?
Indy| 1.11.11 @ 4:14PM
Fred Phelps is a Democrat
http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/11.....-funerals/
http://www.lcrga.com/news/Fred.....1159.shtml
Nobody that I know, Dem, GOP, Independent supports this awful group. Many Americans across the country show up to form a barrier between WBC and grieving families, Patriot Guard riders, Tea Party members, friends, neighbors...they will show up in Tucson to do the same just like they did for Elizabeth Edwards, people on the left and right went to provide support for the family
Bruce| 1.11.11 @ 6:25PM
It would appear that the leftist nitwits have recived their marching order from the like of the NYSlimes, Kos, etc.
You are a LIAR, Goldberg. There has not been a single - not one, so you understand - person who identifies him/herself on AmSpec as a conservative who has EVER condoned or supported the Phelps Family Circus. EVER in the 4 or so years I have been around here.
missbosslady| 1.11.11 @ 6:53PM
Tatiana,
Ha-ha, grow up! You are friggin kidding right? What a sophmoric little rant.
Little girl, the WBC most commonly protests military funerals, and of course you know that the majority of our military personnel are conservative, so following the logic your silly statement makes no sense, but of course you knew that when you posted.
You child, are of the "ring and run" variety. That game we played as kids, ring the doorbell, runaway and when the homeowner opens the door sit giggling in the bushes.
You don't care if you make any sense, or a valid point. You care nothing for critical thinking and take enormous pride in your ignorance.
What is it with today's younger generation? Why the rush to screechingly reveal your total lack of education? I wasn't a genius in my youth either, but I knew well enough to keep my trap shut when I wasn't familiar with the topic. I had enough native intelligence not to open my mouth and prove to all that I was without a clue.
Interesting approach.
But, you Tatiana, have taken a different tack. No, you prefer to let us all know, right up front, that in your rush to get to your keyboard you forgot to inform yourself in the least. Amusing and sad all at the same time.
Sam Vaughn| 1.11.11 @ 1:12PM
I see a lot of Leftist's are showing up on this site, where two years ago they didn't. Not sure what means but I think they've got their marching orders. The real deal is Leftist's have no interest in the truth, Tucson is a perfect example;
The Sheriff in Tucson is a public servant. If he has evidence that somebody other then the shooter aided and abetted the crime he needs to bring it forth and arrest those responsible. Otherwise he is just engaging in "witch-hunting". The real crime is ;Anybody who has ever had any experience with a paranoid schizophrenic knows that they would see shadows of conspiracy in the Sahara at high noon. Throw bipolar disorder into the mix and you have a powder keg of potential maniac behaviour. This has been going on since the dawn of mankind.The behaviour is easy to see once you scrape the surface but impossible, in a politically correct world, to simply call someone crazy. Paranoid schizophrenics can be incredibly intelligent, the one I knew was Mensa level. He knew how to push back. Nevertheless, he's one moment away from pushing a bystander off a train platform and nobody you tell in positions of authority are willing to consider that somebody might actually be crazy..... Nope they always play the victim card..... it's not his fault it's societies fault, it's your fault. After this experience I've come to believe that evil exists and it's malevolence holds no bounds, let alonw party affiliation. A re-run of the Mickey Mouse Club could set him off......
oolong| 1.11.11 @ 3:49PM
Leftists?
Where?
Where is this exotic breed?
Surely you don't mean that Leftists are inhabiting the cyberspace of American Spectator.
If so, I certainly have not seen any.
Tell me, please, where to look, Mr. Vaughn.
Bruce| 1.11.11 @ 6:29PM
As the adage goes, "the best defense if a strong offense." That embarrassment to law enforcement, Dupkin, was well aware of previous threats against Rep. Gifford's. Yet - he did nothing. There was NO presence on the scene of any of his deputies - deputies who could have prevented this tragedy - fortuitous as it was for left wing extremists to find an appropriate "crisis" to exploit. The sheriff should STFU and mind his own house.
RightIsWrong| 1.11.11 @ 1:30PM
Is this where tea baggers, tea bag party people come to blame everyone but their party for the problems this country is facing?
Take a look at the comment section and how many times do you see a blatant disrespect to the president of this country and all this started way before he was even inaugurated. Now republicans would have you believe that this tragedy in Arizona is some how his fault too.
JKS| 1.11.11 @ 1:43PM
You're a hypocrite. Apparently, you were too stoned from 2000-2008 to recognize the 'blatant disrespect' shown the last president of this country. I know, I know, ' he stole the election... or 9-11 was an inside job planned by Booooooooooooosh who is simultaniously the stupidest man to walk the face of the earth and Dr. Evil all rolled up in to on...' and on and on.
Go away troll.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 2:08PM
Respect has to be earned, and Obama not only has none, he doesn't think he needs any.
GotFreedom| 1.11.11 @ 2:51PM
When a narcissist (like Obama) "feels they are in danger of having some wrongdoing of theirs exposed, they may work very hard to provoke the person/people accusing them, to then blame the wrong doing on their accuser being such an angry person. In this way narcissistic individuals tend to be very good at provoking others to rage while they themselves stay cool and aloof. "
Obama doesn't like and as a narcissist, can't handle the fact that "We the People" are holding him accountable/responsible! He wants us to get angry! Guess what BO, we're on to you and it ain't gonna work!
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 3:54PM
GotFreedom,
Your 1st paragraph.. I know it well. Spot on analysis.
Bruce Berger| 1.11.11 @ 2:37PM
RightisWrong,
I have vowed to stop reading all comments once I see the word teabagger, because I know the comment is void of intellectual content and furthermore is HATE SPEECH.
idalily| 1.11.11 @ 2:42PM
For anyone from the left to criticize anyone on the right for hate speech, blaming and president bashing is beyond hypocrisy. It's laughable.
Poppakap| 1.11.11 @ 3:45PM
Congrats on the $5 you earned today for posting on a conservative site. That troll seminar you invested in is really paying off.
Ever heard of something called projection? Freud talked about it a lot. Your words are an excellent example.
carnot| 1.11.11 @ 9:21PM
reread the article. think of it as a teachable moment. or don't you believe in those?
Huffington Post TROLL| 1.11.11 @ 4:26PM
Hi!
I'm a troll from the Huffington Post, and I'd just like to say that I get a kick out of reading the rants from the hyperlexics who post here daily.
However, it struck me today that many of you are mental cases with serious disorders. Seriously, I suspect schizophrenics and bi-polars make up a pretty large portion of the posters.
And because of your mental conditions, I forgive all of you for your rantings and ravings. Now I understand where you're coming from.
God bless.
Jay Pitsby| 1.12.11 @ 2:56PM
"God Bless"!? Are you a member of Westboro Baptist Church?
Jay Pitsby| 1.12.11 @ 2:59PM
Oh, and do keep in mind that most of the people posting here are Huffington Post Trolls.
WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH| 1.11.11 @ 5:32PM
I'm Shirley Phelps-Roper of Westboro Baptist Church, and I invite all of you Arizona American Spectator readers to Tucson tomorrow to picket the funeral of Christina Green.
Go to our web site, and you can let us know if you plan to join us there.
"God sent the shooter! Praise God for ALL his works, and BE YE THANKFUL!."
Shirley Phelps-Roper
Eric Carvama| 1.11.11 @ 5:49PM
I'd be there Shirley, but I don't drive no more and my wife ssys she want take me so I guess I will watch you all on TV.
Just want you to know that youve got my support.
Alan Brooks| 1.11.11 @ 8:53PM
"Giffords' father, asked if she had any enemies, reportedly said that the whole Tea Party was her enemy"
Giffords' father is a "she"?
(bad joke)
JayPitsby| 1.12.11 @ 2:52PM
There is nothing more virulent and contrived than a leftist hate-monger! (cf. "communist lie" vs plain old "lie".)
justavoter| 1.11.11 @ 7:05AM
Let me get this straight. Tom Delay gets 3 years for hiring attorneys and lawmakers to help him make decisions while Charles Rangel gets a slap and William Jefferson gets nothing. Obama spent more money during his 2008 presidential election and I am not aware of a report showing where all that money came from. Bernie Maddoff got 150 years and democrats get nothing. Democrats are relentlessly spending money and trying to takeover with their healthcare scheme and they get nothing. Democrats also tried to takeover with their Cap and Trade scheme, but it did not work. Justice is way out of balance and nobody does anything. Our president speaks volumes and the left wing media ignore his rants. The main stream media pours vinegar on republicans and honey on democrats all day long no matter what happens. If a sicko commits a mass murder the MSM calls it "right wing rhetoric" while our president says nothing. The sheriff of Tucson who is supposed to be protecting the people comes out and blames Rush Limbaugh for the massacre. Hopefully every normal person will realize that the sheriff was using the horrendous act of murder for his or someone else's political agenda. The scary part is it appears the sheriff sounds as sick as the murderer himself by blaming everything on Limbaugh before he even gets the facts. The main question, for Obama, MSNBC, CNN, WIS, ABC, PBS, CBS or any liberal is how can a democrat get away with everything and a republican's career be destroyed and his family affected for life while democrats say or do nothing? Is our leader creating a crisis to push his own agenda? Isn't creating crisis what they do? What I see today is a liberal can say or do anything and the MSM is silent while the media violently attacks a republican and eats their flesh. Anybody that can take a beautifull little 9 year old girl's face that was just murdered and put her on their front page to push their political agenda places life in the same category as dog food.
ruby tea| 1.11.11 @ 9:23AM
lets put the "fox" back in hunting - Palin, FoxNews Tea Party etc. that s where the crosshairs + barrel lead ---- the pushing of nine year olds dead face onto a tv screen is a technique used by Fox - Propaganda with a hidden agenda in the guise of god country and glory ... and completely dumb to boot.... enough of the BS
Eric Cartman| 1.11.11 @ 9:53AM
Jared Loughner, is that you? I didn't know they would allow you a computer in jail? Hey, nice Uncle Fester impersonation! So, it seems like you got ahold of some beer and pot in jail, too. So let me ask you, did being a Left-Wing guy lead you to this? Did Obama's "bring a gun" speech make you actually bring a gun? You seem more disturbed than usual. Maybe you should lie down, okay? Okay, bu-bye.
Stephanie| 1.11.11 @ 10:11AM
Ruby, you seem to have forgotten to take your meds today. Shock treatments may be necessary.
vtwin| 1.11.11 @ 10:21AM
"Tom Delay gets 3 years for hiring attorneys and lawmakers to help him make decisions[?]"
No, Tom "gets 3 years" because he was convicted by a jury of committing crimes (conspiracy and money laundering) in the state Texas.
Robbins Mitchell| 1.11.11 @ 10:38AM
And that is what is the miscarriage of justice....since under Texas law at that time,.there was no dirty or illegal money to 'launder' to begin with...this conviction will be reversed on appeal for that reason alone.
vtwin| 1.11.11 @ 10:55AM
“Since under Texas law at that time, there was no dirty or illegal money to 'launder' to begin with.”
Wow, I wonder how Tom’s lawyers missed that point.
Eric Cartman| 1.11.11 @ 11:08AM
It's vtwin! Trying to discern Travis, Co. politics from his bar-stool in Frisco! Please, tell us all you know about Texas politics. I have a few seconds.
W| 1.11.11 @ 12:29PM
The point you ignore is that Delay was charged and went to trial, but your hero Rangel was "lectured" to in the well of the House, and this was such a tough,mean punishment that Charlile shed a few tears (an acting tip from Slick Willie). You can debate the jury's verdict, and see what happens on appeal, but Charlie never faced or will face a jury.Why is that? I thought tax evasion was a crime, and paying your taxes is patriotic?
Toby| 1.11.11 @ 11:56AM
Good God!
You Wing Nuts are hysterical! Take those mule blinders off, and for once in your pathetic, rancid lives, try to be objective.
RAMIII| 1.11.11 @ 1:56PM
Your post was EXCEEDINGLY objective!
The Big E| 1.11.11 @ 2:43PM
Yet another FINE bit of logical "reasoning" from the left.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 1:22PM
Pray for Tom Delay, that his sentence is overturned by his appeal.
The Left got him because of his going after their idol, Billy Boy Clintoon.
He needs our prayers.
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 2:32PM
The "left" didn't get him. A jury of 12 American citizens heard the evidence and convicted him. He's headed to prison, where he belongs.
The Big E| 1.11.11 @ 2:45PM
I don't know whether Tom Delay deserved to go to prison or not - I didn't hear the evidence. But I feel reasonably confident in saying this: If he had been a Democrat, he would never even have been charged.
MikeD| 1.11.11 @ 8:27PM
Ronnie Earl, the Tarrant County Prosecutor had to call 12 grand juries before he could get enough left wing partisans to actually indict Mr. DeLay. If any of you lefties actually knew any history, you'd know it was a plot to get DeLay out of his position in the House because the dems had jammed through a rule requiring any member of the leadership who had been INDICTED (Not charged, not convicted) to step down. It was another case of the spineless GOP allowing the dems and their evil schemes to succeed because of the republicans' total lack of balls/spines/guts/courage (pick as many as applicable) Besides, they were just following the lead of their spineless president, G.W. who gave his mama his own balls right after his second inaugural; just as his father did before him. Throughout the past 30 years the democrats have succeeded with their systematic dismantling of our Country with the tacit complicity of the yellow backed republicans.
Our collective fear is that the GOP has not learned their lesson. Are you reading this Mr. Speaker? Tom DeLay was railroaded because he beat the dems at their own game after the 2000 census gave the republicans the opportunity to turn around their delegation in the House to more realistically reflect the census; and the party registration numbers. This is how the GOP rewarded him when the dems played dirty. Ronny Earl is a vicious, scheming, criminal thug and is really the one who should be in jail. But, that's how dems play...and how republicans cower. Just look at how G.W. "Rewarded" Scooter Libby for committing absolutely no crime.
Do not confuse my loathing for the evil corrupt dems with any love or respect for the GOP. They have lots to earn here, and they'd better not forget it. We threw out the criminals in November (Part 1 of 4, next act in 2012) but that doesn't mean we voted FOR the republicans. They have to prove that they are better, stronger, and more courageous than their predecessors. The jury is still out.
Margie| 1.12.11 @ 1:35PM
Infinitude thanks for posting this in the cause of the truth and shining the light on the rabid lies of RCV and the other scum who seek to rid us of the best among us!
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 2:57PM
RCV,
Is Blago in jail yet?
The Hammer will be free on bail until his conviction is overtuned on appeal.
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 4:36PM
I wish he were.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 2:58PM
Can always count on the supercilious Leftist lawyer and liar, RCV to glom on to one of my posts. He's like the other cyber-stalker Clint/Tim* the self proclaimed Anarcho-Capitalist and hater of Christianity.
YES, they DID GET HIM and you know it. You're just too dishonest to admit it. After all, you do for a living what they do~ obfuscate and lie when it comes to conservatives.
Now go on and continue in your vomit.
I shall not bother to respond.
Clint| 1.11.11 @ 7:31PM
American Spectator's Resident Israel Firster & Anti-Catholic Agendist & Slandering Liar White Trash Bigot Margie from Joisey attempts to Call Catholic Registered Republican & Tea Party Patriot, Clint, An Anarcho-Capitalist.
The Tea Party Patriots' Mission Statement
The impetus for the Tea Party movement is excessive government spending and taxation. Our mission is to attract, educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure public policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets.
Core Values
* Fiscal Responsibility
* Constitutionally Limited Government
* Free Markets
Fiscal Responsibility: Fiscal Responsibility by government honors and respects the freedom of the individual to spend the money that is the fruit of their own labor. A constitutionally limited government, designed to protect the blessings of liberty, must be fiscally responsible or it must subject its citizenry to high levels of taxation that unjustly restrict the liberty our Constitution was designed to protect. Such runaway deficit spending as we now see in Washington D.C. compels us to take action as the increasing national debt is a grave threat to our national sovereignty and the personal and economic liberty of future generations.
Constitutionally Limited Government: We, the members of The Tea Party Patriots, are inspired by our founding documents and regard the Constitution of the United States to be the supreme law of the land. We believe that it is possible to know the original intent of the government our founders set forth, and stand in support of that intent. Like the founders, we support states' rights for those powers not expressly stated in the Constitution. As the government is of the people, by the people and for the people, in all other matters we support the personal liberty of the individual, within the rule of law.
Free Markets: A free market is the economic consequence of personal liberty. The founders believed that personal and economic freedom were indivisible, as do we. Our current government's interference distorts the free market and inhibits the pursuit of individual and economic liberty. Therefore, we support a return to the free market principles on which this nation was founded and oppose government intervention into the operations of private business.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 8:47PM
Clint formerly known as Tim* is a liar.
Everyone knows it's you, Tim*.
And here's your post expounding on the virtues of Anarcho-Capitalism:
Tim*| 10.14.10 @ 8:09PM
You probably meant Anarchism .
And , Anarcho-capitalism , also known as “libertarian anarchy” or “market anarchism”or “free market anarchism” is a libertarian and individualist anarchistpolitical philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state and the elevation of the sovereign individual in a free market. Economist Murray Rothbard is credited with coining the term. In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services would be provided by voluntarily-funded competitors such as private defense agencies rather than through taxation, and money would be privately and competitively provided in an open market. According to anarcho-capitalists, personal and economic activities would be regulated by the natural laws of the market and through private law rather than through politics. Furthermore, victimless crimes and crimes against the state would not exist.
Do your homework .
Clint| 1.11.11 @ 9:12PM
You Do Your Homework Buffoon.
You, Anti-Catholic Israel Firster White Trash Bigot From Joisey Margie were Moronically Attempting to "Mislabel" Joe Sobran an Others As Prince Pyotr Alexeyevich Kropotkin Anarcho-Communists & I Corrected Your Dumb Uneducated Joisey Ass.
You Are A World Class Slandering Liar & An Anti-Catholic Fanatic White Trash Joisey Bigot.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 11:13PM
Heh Buffon White Trash Moronic ScumBag Immature Little Butt Wipe LowLife Little Pukey Boy Turd Face Poopy Head DirtBag Insane Lunatic God Hating Christian Bashing LeftWing Punky Scummy Tool of The Anarchistic Left Toilet Bowl Mouth PukeSlanderin Liard Fake Phony Fraud Who Posts In Other's Names and Threatens Me constantly Christian Bigot Pig I'm Correcting Your Blind Ugly White Face Anti-Semitic Fool:
You proclaim the virtues of who you are dude.
Now deal with it Turdy Boy.
So There!
Duuuuuhhhh!
Deeeerrrr!
And then some.
Clint| 1.12.11 @ 2:36AM
American Spectator's Resident Anti-Catholic Israel Firster Fanatic Religious Sociopath Margie Shares God's Love With Tea Party Catholic Clint.
And Bless You Too White Trash Joisey Bigot.
Margie| 1.12.11 @ 1:05PM
What color are you, Race-baiting punk?
Ah yes. Murray Rothbard's student.
Racist scum in conservative's clothing.
Anti-Christian Bigot in Catholic clothing.
Occam's Tool| 1.12.11 @ 4:48PM
You know, Tim*---DeLay was STRONGLY pro-Israel. Seems all these guys you like bless Israel except you.
Ring, Ring---time to capitalize and rant!
carnot| 1.11.11 @ 9:26PM
as does Clinton
as does Rangel
as does our SecTreas
and the list goes on........
Occam's Tool| 1.12.11 @ 4:46PM
I liked Delay, RCV. Pro-Israel, pro-adoption, for lower taxes, for strong American defense.
And, I'm sorry, but I have learned never to trust a Judge or Jury's take on anything.
RCV| 1.12.11 @ 6:51PM
Well, most of the people I know in the justice system say the same thing about psychiatrists, Occam.
Aside from his pro-Israel stance, which any thinking person should share, I can't share your enthusiasm for Mr. Delay. But that's OK.
Nancy in NC| 1.11.11 @ 7:23AM
The lamestream media is responsible as well. GW Bush never used the hateful rhetoric that we have now, but the atmosphere was vile.
How ironic that the right is attacked as being responsible, while MSNBC absolutely reeks of hate and personal attacks.
As a conservative I attack policy that I dislike while the left attacks people...there lies the difference.
wodiej| 1.11.11 @ 9:35AM
And conservatives do so w respect. Well said.
Jullou| 1.11.11 @ 4:20PM
Dittos!
Wordmonger| 1.11.11 @ 7:29AM
After I pored over Mr.Babbins two pages,I could not determine what one would pour over Sherlock Holmes.
Roscoe| 1.11.11 @ 8:48AM
Perhaps a seven-per-cent-solution?
Melvin| 1.11.11 @ 7:29AM
"Barack Obama is an accomplished rhetorician." So was Stalin & Mao.
MikeBee| 1.11.11 @ 9:31AM
Melvin,
Right! And don't forget about Adolph Hitler. He was an extremely accomplished rhetorician.
vtwin| 1.11.11 @ 10:34AM
As are most successful politicians, duh!
Ray| 1.11.11 @ 11:57AM
Except for Duba, right? After all, the left described him as a cretin, barley able to utter even simple sentences.
The Big E| 1.11.11 @ 12:11PM
True, but also not the point. Having excellent rhetorical skills is a gift, and it is a gift that can be used, like all gifts, in the service of good, or in the service of evil. Some leaders, Winston Churchill being a classic example, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. another, use their rhetorical gifts to unite people, to uplift them, to lead them toward a brighter and more liberated future. But others use their rhetorical gifts to divide men, to pit them one against another, to lead into a pit of oppression and violence. The butchers listed by Melvin and MikeBee clearly fall into this latter category - and at the extreme end. But they are not the only ones who have used their gifts in the service of evil. The man cited in the article as having a great influence on Obama was another - Malcolm X. Jeremiah Wright, who Obama has some experience with as well, is yet another - a man who uses his rhetorical gifts to pit men against each other, and to spread resentment and hatred.
The question then, is where on this continuum does Obama fall? Based on his behavior thus far, I think the answer is obvious - he is, like the man he admires, Malcom X, and like his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, a man who uses his rhetorical gifts to divide people, and to generate resentment and hatred. Obama's entire political philosophy can be broken down into two points:
1. See that person over there? He's not like you, and he has things and advantages you don't have. All of your problems are his fault.
2. I'm going to help you get revenge on him. I'm going to take away the things and advantages he has, and I'm going to give them to you. I'm going to right all the wrongs you've ever suffered at his hands.
Obama tells black and hispanic audiences that their problems are the fault of white people. He tells workers their problems are the fault of management. He tells women their problems are the fault of men. And then he promises to make it all right, to undo all the injustices, perceived or otherwise, in history, if you just give him the power to do whatever he wants to the people you don't like.
He uses his rhetorical gifts to divide people into groups and then he pits them against each other. His brand of politics is divisive, hate filled, and wholly and completely evil.
Nunya| 1.11.11 @ 1:03PM
Excellent points E. Great post.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 1:25PM
Right Melvin. The Left calls it "brilliant"! That was what they used to say about Billy Boy Clintoon.
Brilliant and shining as in how the Devil appears an an angel of light, I say.
dlraymer| 1.11.11 @ 7:36AM
I'm going to be beside myself with contempt for Dupnik when his actions contaminate the body of evidence to a point that a liberal judge rules it impossible for the accused to get a fair trial anywhere in the US. The Tuscon DA needs to slap this clown with a gag order. Oh, sorry, he's a Democrat, free pass.
Jullou| 1.11.11 @ 4:25PM
The voters from Pima County, Arizona need to start the recall process on this corrupt sheriff. I'm sure he can always find work with the Obama Administration as a czar that investigates conservatives.
Mike D.| 1.11.11 @ 7:51AM
Comrade(bring a gun to a knife fight) Chairman does what leftists do. Lie, and lie some more. The absolute hatred they display against Palin is remarkable. She is what they HATE personified, and what she stands for they fear to their godless souls. You have the most divisive human now living in the mansion in Washington D.C. that this country probably ever had in modern times and they have the gaul to label us as divisive. Control of speech is the stepping stone to control of thought and action. You know more "speech control" legislation is coming right around the corner after this or at least attempted by the reds within our midst. We already have the Orwellion "hate speech" moniker fully entrenched in our lexicon already, so whats it going to hurt if "anti government speech" is added to the list of criminal behavior. I wake up every morning and see one more brick in the Berlin Wall of North America being added, right out in the open and history being once again replayed like history never occured before.
coal carrier| 1.11.11 @ 8:10AM
"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Since we are talking about rhetoric here, where were Schultz, Krugman, Olbermann, Matthews and the rest of the left when the president spoke these words?
And they get so upset with fiducial marks on a map.
Gran Torino| 1.11.11 @ 12:25PM
"Where were Schultz, Krugman, Olbermann and Mathews?" Those demons were busy worshipping their fearless leader. Like Clint Eastwood's Dirty Harry character said, "They remind me of dogshit." As far as Pres. Obama's comment that "we bring a gun", that obviously is pure rhetoric. He and left don't have any guns. They hate guns, remember? So, who's going to be bringing the guns to the fight? That's right, we will be. Long live the NRA! I'll bring my 12 gauge with 00 buckshot.
Will| 1.11.11 @ 8:12AM
Ah yes, the "Farrakhan Smile" as it were. This was the whole point of the Democrats running a urban politician for President, no? Either they would remain seated on their hands, gagged by political correctness, or dare to critisize, and be attacked as racists, bigots etc. etc. Maybe that's just a crazy conspiritorial theory of mine.
Career Soldier| 1.11.11 @ 8:19AM
Thank you Mr. Babbin for the most insightful and articulate piece I have read regarding the murder of a federal judge in Arizona.
I agree that as our President, it is on him to set the tenor of debate in national politics. He has chosen to introduce anger, resentment, and bitter discontent into the business of governing, and we are paying the price for ignoring it.
Also I pity the Sheriff and somewhat understand his frustrated rhetoric. The violent crime rate in Southern Arizona has sky rocketed since the collapse of their economy. I have little doubt that his days are filled with reports of senseless violence and insufficient funds to fight back with.
Our soldiers overseas are dying violent deaths that get barely a mention in the media. The attitude seems to be one of "well they volunteered to risk their neck when they signed on". I venture to say that given the crime rate in that area, the congresswomen knew how dangerous it was to set foot in a Tucson shopping center parking lot, and yet she "signed on for it". God bless her courage, I pray for her recovery.
MikeD| 1.11.11 @ 8:35AM
The death and violence in Arizona is the result of a calculated, intentional series of policy driven actions by barry the muslim and the rest of his illegitimate regime. Barry and his thugs are intentionally killing Americans every day through their planned strategy of open borders.
Unfortunately, very few Americans are even aware that barry's "Rules of Engagement" that he forced on our Military is also causing American deaths every day. The man is a criminal thug and should be in jail with pelosi and reid. They have destroyed the democratic party and inflicted a deadly cancer on America. Barry's complete distain for the wishes of the American people clearly illustrate his dictatorial objectives. We have not been this divided since Fort Sumter in 1861. Impeachment is too good for barry and his thugs.
Nunya| 1.11.11 @ 1:49PM
MIke,
While I don't disagree with your assessment of our current Idiot-in-Chief, I must remind you that our former Idiot-in-Chief (W) did nothing to close our borders, either. Neither did his predecessor, nor his, and it was Reagan who gave us amnesty the first time.
This is not exclusive to Obozo, he's just carrying on the same policy.
MikeD| 1.11.11 @ 8:33PM
NUNYA: Point taken. Please see my post above. "W" turned to his mother the day after his second inauguration and handed her his family jewels, just as his father did. It must be true because neither ever evinced any behavior that demonstrated that they ever used them after that. For a president with so much potential, his failure is that much more painful. But, the worst thing he did was to let his 'supposed' friends and political allies slowly twist in the wind while he ignored them until it was too late. Clinton will go down in history as a rapist. Obama as a socialist criminal. Bush will go down as a coward; almost the worst of all.
PaulD| 1.11.11 @ 8:22AM
There has never been a president in my lifetime who embodies hatred like this poser who now occupies the White House. Divisiveness is his MO, and power is his goal.
Sweeney| 1.11.11 @ 11:31AM
Amen!
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 1:27PM
Seconded.
MikeD| 1.11.11 @ 8:28AM
The political left in what's left of our Country is a collection of evil people masquerading as politicians, academics and journalists. In toto, they are a small minority, but their voice is magnitudes larger than it has any right to be in a democracy. They have learned to use the rule of law skillfully as long as they need that to succeed; and then they do away with it as soon as it has served their purposes. Remember that Adolph Hitler achieved his position of power legally; before he destroyed the rule of law.
Combined with this planned destruction of the rule of law once their aims are met; the next tool in their quiver is the "BIG LIE" They're even better at that. They tell the big lie over and over until it becomes the 'de facto' truth and all reference to its' origin is obliterated. Don't forget what they do behind closed doors; like the "Cornhusker Kickback" and the rest of the criminal behavior during the dems illegal imposition of the "Power Grab Disguised as Healthcare" bill. They prove every day that they will do anything!
The insurmountable problem is that we are fighting a war unarmed because we're not supposed to use their tactics; we'll be told that "...If we do that we'll be no better than they are." Well, we ARE better than they are and we'd also better understand that if we don't use their own tactics against them, whether we're better or not won't matter. Our Country will be gone and so will our freedoms.
It is past time to go after the dems/libs with every fiber of our being. If we're not active, angry, and vigilent; we won't have a choice. Obama and his fellow travelers have pushed us over the cliff and we're hanging on by our fingertips. As our Founding Fathers wrote: "The Constitution is NOT a suicide pact." We are closer to the Second American Revolution than at any time since 1861. We'd better start thinking outside the box; and start behaving differently than they expect. If any of you want a glimpse of what is facing us; check out Cambodia in the 70's; Germany in the 30's; the USSR throughout the 20th Century until WE stopped them under the leadership of President Reagan. This is no miniseries; this is reality. Are you listening America? Do you get it? Mr. Boehner? Sen. McConnell? We've run out of time.
alex| 1.11.11 @ 9:01AM
What are you taliking about? This sounds exactly like the kind of "talk" the libs are complaining about! The Tuscon sherriff is an idiot for saying those things. The shooter was sick, plain and simple! But don't you see why the sherriff may have said those things? It's been said that conservatives NEVER say anything derogatory about liberals. C'mon, they are as guilty as libs.
As to Babbins article, is he forgetting those town hall meetings where on one was allowed to speak because of the heckling? C'mon, if one doesn't like the person in office or a political party one (or a group) will find loads of anti stuff.
The reality is that there are plenty of Americans who agree with conservatives on some points and liberals on others. I have been called a "wingnut" on liberal sites and a "libtard" on this one. What's wrong with RESPECTFULLY agreeing to disagree?
Sea_Hunter| 1.11.11 @ 9:11AM
Absolutely nothing.
wodiej| 1.11.11 @ 9:41AM
Sorry, but there are not plenty of Americans who agree w the liberals we have now. Maybe once before the wheels on their little red wagons began to come off.
This Sheriff said he was not going to enforce SB1070. He also ignored numerous death threats made by this sick person Jared. He has no business being in law enforcement if he wants to take political potshots. That's not his job.
Jobe| 1.11.11 @ 8:33AM
Funny! I seem to remember George W. Bush's name linked with Adolph Hitler, Pol Pot, and several references. Let me see. Wasn't he supposed to get cancer and die? Oh, and wasn't he a military deserter, war monger, serial liar, and a few other epithets? Now I wonder where these blamers of right wing extremism were when this was going on. I guess they were busy sucking on lolipops and pruning rose bushes.
Mimi| 1.11.11 @ 8:34AM
The DEM'S think they have a winning NARRATIVE....They were desparate for a NEW strategy....Their recent losses , and low poll ratings showed the Democratic Party support in FREE-FALL. Now they cling to any, happening..that they think will reverse the current trend... They are truly looking like utter FOOLS on this display of delusional thinking and it won't fly or stick "It All SARAH'S fault" is something the AMERICAN people will not get SUCKED into.
After winning the election of 2010....we knew their was "GONNA BE HECK TO PAY".....It's just PAY-BACK TIME and as ever they are coming out looking more RIDICULOUS than ever...You gotta laugh at the IDIOTS!!!
gypsy| 1.11.11 @ 8:37AM
The alleged shooter in Tucson is a dope smoking, skull worshipping left wing nutcase. Sounds a lot like many of the dirty fools who marched in the streets for years shouting "Bush is Hitler"
yeah, but THAT is not inflammatory
Malcolmia| 1.11.11 @ 9:13AM
On what facts do you base your allegation that he is "left wing"? Let's not fall into that crevice of presumption.
wodiej| 1.11.11 @ 9:42AM
Didn't believe in God
Classmates said he was a far left liberal
Case closed.
George True| 1.11.11 @ 10:09AM
Among
George True| 1.11.11 @ 10:14AM
Sorry, computer glitch. Among his favorite books were The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf.
Was described by clasmates as, "liberal", "very left wing", "on the left".
Burned the American flag.
Did not believe in God.
While it is obvious to anyone with an IQ above room temperature that he is a complete nut job, it could also be said that if anything, he is a left-wing nut job.
Grzmlyk| 1.11.11 @ 11:04AM
If he were intelligent, he'd have become a Muslim.
Then all of our courageous politicians, pundits, talking heads and celebrities would be busy apologizing to all of Islam for provoking this unfortunate victim of American bigotry into his murderous rampage.
And we'd already be seeing blueprints for the Mosque that would be built on the site of the evil Safeway.
Praise be to Allah.
Nunya| 1.11.11 @ 1:54PM
Griz,
Another excellent post, absolutely spot on.
Unfortunately.
Occam's Tool| 1.12.11 @ 4:49PM
Mr. G---Booyahhh!
W| 1.11.11 @ 12:33PM
George, you also described a resume for MSNBC
vtwin| 1.11.11 @ 11:12AM
Contrasting Bush and Hitler, why because they both started wars that resulted in needless deaths and destruction, outrageous!!!!!
George S| 1.11.11 @ 11:54AM
Thank you!!! I always wanted to know why the left is cool towards Hitler but giggle like schoolgirls when talking about Fidel, Che, or Mao... it's because Hitler started a W-A-R. I feel so stupid.
Nunya| 1.11.11 @ 1:58PM
Yep, just killing millions without starting a war is completely different. That's why Mao and Stalin are heroes to the left, they didn't start a WAR. They killed 70 million between them, just not by starting a WAR. It's totally different!
OK, now it's completely clear to me.
MacDaddy| 1.11.11 @ 8:37AM
"Every president is responsible for the political climate while he is in office. " Respectfully disagree....GWB was and is a decent man whose administration did not engage in politics of personal destruction and venom....rather it was and is the lamestream media and the liberals who have driven the tone of the conversation into violent and destructive images. Lest we forget Obama 'wanting to put his boot on the neck' of BP...and as bad (and inexcusable, in my opinion) as some of the rhetoric some use to describe what should happen to Mr. Obama, it is nothing compared to the vile filth and fury the left heaped on Mr. Bush.
Pete| 1.11.11 @ 10:03AM
Interesting point, but I still hang it on Osama. The media fans the flames for sure, but the head guy started the fire. I have never in my lifetime seen a president so actively seek to divide people - to pit race against race and class against class. Other presidents have acted divisively, but Barry verbalizes as well. Given his mentors, it isn't that surprising I guess. But then, his mentors and idols were not presidents, at least not US presidents.
Jullou| 1.11.11 @ 4:27PM
** Obama: “They Bring a Kn*fe…We Bring a G*n”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose a*s to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”
The Big E| 1.11.11 @ 12:18PM
GWB also did nothing to rebut the vile filth and fury heaped upon him. He never defended himself, and IMHO, abdicated his responsibility as regards setting the tone of political debate.
Nunya| 1.11.11 @ 2:05PM
My brother and I spoke about W's lack of leadership in defending himself and refuting much of the rhetoric spewed his way. Frankly, I think his lack of leadership in this area allowed the idiots on the left to set the tone and make him appear weak and stupid, and his lack of a response allowed the accusations to stick. It was much like the leftists' attacks on Reagan, but he was able to take the stage and confront much of it, and became known as the "great communicator". W did none of that, and was made to look like a fool.
evan| 1.11.11 @ 8:45AM
It is odd that a congresswoman in Arizona, a border state, would be unprotected at a public event. Most of the time, there is some protection for these guys, especially in Arizona, NM, TX and CA.
Stephanie| 1.11.11 @ 9:01AM
Now Evan, that sounds like RACIST hate speech to me! You best be careful:-)
The BIg E| 1.11.11 @ 12:22PM
Yes, and who was the head law enforcement official in the county where this tragedy happened? My understanding is that its the same one who's been trying to pin the blame for the tragedy on those who do not share his political views. I wonder if he's the same sheriff who approved the nut-case's application for a firearm purchase permit despite the fact that he would have been well within his authority to deny said application due to the nut-case's well know history of severe mental illness?
Richard Baker| 1.11.11 @ 8:50AM
Folks need to read the litany of things the lefties have been saying for years on Michelle Malkin's website. Hate, thy name is lefty.
stmichrick| 1.11.11 @ 8:51AM
I find it ironic and somewhat satisfying that the Lefty flaks, opinion-makers and newsies attempt to smear conservatives with Loughner' s crime has resulted in everyone knowing how crazy this guy is, to say nothing of him being interested in Mao and Hitler.
This exposure wouldn't have happened when we relied on Uncle Walter for the news.
WilliamInWien| 1.11.11 @ 8:52AM
Already Bought The Line: At a church service this past Sunday, one of the attendees requested we pray for the victims of the Saturday shootings and then added that we pray that the political rhetoric be turned down. Another told me after the service, "I don't get guns." OK. Political rhetoric and guns caused the mass shootings. Well, I don't get mental health! How difficult is it to recognize its symptoms (VA TECH shooter) and how it is almost impossible to do something for the safety of the community before the mentally deranged act! Both VATECH and the community college in Tucson recognized anti-social behavior. Yet, these questions are overwhelmed by the MSM's lock-step reporting on what caused a misfit to act, as if they are qualified to perform psychoanalysis from afar. BHO's rhetoric is inflamatory but it will be passed over by the MSM. Worst part of the tragedy is the loss of the nine-year old girl who never really had a chance to live her life!
GKPAL| 1.11.11 @ 8:59AM
The left does what it always has done. Blame others for the mass they have created in our society. They can't debate ideas and principles because they're devoid of same. So, they are lashing out at every one who does not share their distorted ideology and smear good and honorable people and will stop at nothing unless and until they silence them. It is up to all of us not to let them succeed. If they do, kiss our great country goodbye.
stmichrick| 1.11.11 @ 9:20AM
You would that the Left would hesitate before bringing up the 'motivation' smear by now; it seems to me that these lone nuts usually have more left-wing craziness in their 'resumes' than not.
rongordo | 1.11.11 @ 9:26AM
His other system of rhetoric is one of quiet. FOr example, he'll talk about fat cat bankers, then act blind and def about a busload of "activists" showing up to mob a banker's house and family. He might act blind and def about black panthers and the like as well. On the other hand, he has a fourth method: shoe in mouth. For example: the police acted stupidly...All in all, this master speech reader seems pretty short-sighted in most instances, and tends to do or say the opposite of what needs to be done or said just about every time.
daddio| 1.11.11 @ 11:50AM
if it ain't on the teleprompter, he can't speak it...
CopyKatnj| 1.11.11 @ 12:00PM
Your analogy of hate speech causing disruption and personal safety is spot on with the bankers example.
Redstateboy| 1.11.11 @ 9:41AM
Becuase of Leftist hate speech.. Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin and I suspect Rush, O'Reilly, Hannity, FOX News personalities and other Conservatives need Security for theirs and perhaps their families personal protection!! But That's Acceptable to the Left!
wodiej| 1.11.11 @ 9:52AM
Although I lay most of the blame at the doorstep of media, Obama is supposed to be a leader and should choose his words more carefully and without divisiveness. He is not a community organizer anymore. He is in essence leading by example.
Words like actions have consequences. Whether liberals want to believe it or live by it or not, we all are accountable for our actions-EVERYONE.
Denio| 1.11.11 @ 9:52AM
Hatred and Anger are probably the two strongest of human emotions... one breeds the other... The left being locked into a tribal mentality use these emotions to get their way.
Brian Mc| 1.11.11 @ 9:54AM
So, this is how it starts? As an aside, it never ceases to amaze me, when it comes to the media, that the left grasps tightly to its utopian ideology to the bitter end and refuse to acknowledge the fact that there is no profit to be made in forcing their rhetoric down the throats of the ignorant. How do you stop such an effort that spits and foams, dollars be damned(NYT), while lashing out at anything that deters their progression towards their image of said utopia?
So, this is how it starts?
Peter McGrath| 1.11.11 @ 10:00AM
Once upon a time ... our elected representatives in Washington were largely irrelevent to day-to-day life of America. The Left's statist overreaching has totally changed America's relationship with our Federal Government. Nearly 1/6 of our citizen's receive "food assistance." Enrollment in Medicare is mandatory for millions of the not-so-elderly (if they want to receive paid-for Social Security benefits). Federal taxes on everything from gasoline to cigarettes are part of the daily grind for millions. The list goes on and on.
Our elected representatives regularly make promises which no sane person should make ("free" health care, retirement "security" for all). They made these promises in the hope of getting re-elected and - always - with ostensible "good intentions."
Their good intentions have paved a garden path to failed policies that have left millions unemployed, underemployed, dependent, and desperate. Hence, the nationwide pummeling at the polls of the Left by sensible, free individuals who won't be deceived twice.
Obama's anger is the anger of a fool who refuses to recognize his folly. The Left's house of cards has collapsed and disillusioned liberals are left to cling to their dissapointment, resentment and rage.
The violence to come will surely not emanate from the Right, as it is not at all clear that Loughner was not, himself, a self-willed Marxist, much like our own feckless, fatherless Fearless Leader.
caitlin| 1.11.11 @ 10:03AM
Why won't anyone admit that conservatives and liberals are equally guilty of angry words? All you have to do is read a variety of websites.
The sherriff from Tucson shouldn't have said what he said. It was, bottom line, unprofessional.
But, be honest, some of the right wing words are incendiary. And I'm not accusing ALL conservatives of being that way. Liberals are just as bad. However, when a person is mentally ill, he/she will find motives and messages in all sorts of places. We can't control what anyone reads or listens to. But news reporting should be free from opinion. And editorials should not be laced with words or phrases that are fall under the definition of hostility or hyperbole.
Stephanie| 1.11.11 @ 10:15AM
Caitlin, you sound like Mitch McConnell and the rest of the old soft "republicans".. The left is hell bent on destroying our country and if we say something "angry", well hell, we ARE angry!
George True| 1.11.11 @ 10:27AM
There is such a thing as legitimate righteous anger. Jesus exhibited such when he threw the money changers out of the temple.
The fireworks seen at townhalls during 2009 was a result of a righteously angry majority of the electorate being told by their government to STFU, we will do whatever we want whether you like it or not. Even in the townhalls themselves, the leftist politicians exhibited breathtaking arrogance towards their own constituents in their manner and their words and their patently obvious lies.
This is what caused many people, including Sarah Palin, to correctly and accurately say, "These politicians MUST BE targeted for defeat". This kind of speech is absolutely appropriate and called for, and it is beyond reproach. It in NO WAY goes over the line of acceptable and reasonable speech in an open and democratic society.
caitlin| 1.11.11 @ 11:17AM
You're right. But I'm not talking about reasonable and understandable reaction. I'm referring to the posts that call for violence. They are out there! What do they accomplish? How do they help? I think the sheriff from Tucson's remarks are an example of the harm caused by such posts. It's ignorance, but if those posts and on air pundits weren't around what would he have to say then?
I don't believe Sarah Palin ever called for violence, but because libs don't like her they will interpret any seemingly hostile phrases (like "lock and load") as such. So, I don't know, maybe I'm naive. I just wish people would be more informed, question sources more, and be nice.
The Big E| 1.11.11 @ 12:30PM
But see, Caitlin, that is the essence of the difference. Sure, there are some nut-cases on the right who engage in hateful, violence inciting speech. They don't successfully incite violence because everyone knows they're nut cases. But on the left, the people engaging in hateful, violence inciting speech are the leaders, the so-called thinkers, the ones who, supposedly, are not nut cases.
On the right, hateful, violent rhetoric is an aberration, and as such, is ignored. But on the left, the hateful, violent rhetoric is the norm, and as such, is taken as legitimate.
RAMIII| 1.11.11 @ 2:00PM
Caitlin would like us to be nice, but wouldn't it be nice if she actually did the hard work of drawing distinctions and making judgements of differences.
Oranges, Tangerines, Clementines are all orange in color, but they are not the same.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 11:25AM
Caitlin,
Instead of just simply asserting that " some of the right wing words are incendiary," why don't you provide numerous examples?
And, before you ask, I will do the same. Just go to: http://michellemalkin.com/
daddio| 1.11.11 @ 11:53AM
"But news reporting should be free from opinion"
You want what never was and will never be.
idalily| 1.11.11 @ 3:07PM
Caitlin, I will NOT admit to something that is a lie. Conservatives and liberals are NOT equally guilty of hate speech. Leftists spew hate constantly, a fact demonstrated by leftists from our POTUS on down, the evidence of which is available for anyone to read in detail on Michelle Malkin's website. If you have an equally complete list of hate speech by the right, please share it. Otherwise, your point is without foundation, and therefore worthless.
Granny Jan| 1.11.11 @ 10:11AM
I put some of them in a video last night begining with Dupkin and ending with Durbin. It's called Obama's Vitriolic Rhetoric:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocjqgd3LYfg
da monk| 1.11.11 @ 10:15AM
I wonder: If those on the "Left",cited in most of the comments above who are continously linked labled to, or called Communists, Socialists; is it proper for me and others to cite and label those on the "Right" as Nazi's and National Socialists? Just wondering
alex| 1.11.11 @ 10:38AM
Good point.
Human nature causes us to feel negative towards those who we disagree with. Name calling on the blog sites is pretty bad. I agree with conservatives more than liberals, but some of the broad assumptions, like ALL dems are socialists and hate our country and want to tear it down is a little much. It's like agreeing with the libs who say ALL Tea Partiers are ignorant rednecks.
Vic| 1.11.11 @ 11:28AM
And what exactly do you call someone who advocates an all encompassing, totalitarian central government? One that even controls the light bulbs we can use or the flush of our toilets? Should we play nice with those who seek to enslave us?
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 11:32AM
Alex,
See my response, from above, to Caitlin.
The Big E| 1.11.11 @ 12:39PM
All Dems are not socialists, in fact, I know very few who are. Unfortunately, the leadership of the Democrat Party are socialists, or worse. They are ardently statist in view, and unless stopped, statism inevitably leads to totalitarianism.
But I believe statism is most definitely NOT the view of the rank and file membership of the Democrat Party. Most of the Democrats I know are as pissed off about what's going on as I am, so much so that many of them are changing their voter registration to "Unaffiliated."
The problem is that the Democrat Party has been hijacked by people who are not, in any way, democratic. That is the number one complaint I hear from Democrats I know, that their party has somehow been taken over by a bunch of loonies, and they feel as alienated from people like Obama and Pelosi and I do.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 11:30AM
Da Monk,
No, it would not. As National Socialism was a left-wing ideology.
Also, O'Bama is labeled a socialist because he promotes socialist policies, like socialized medicine.
DRed| 1.11.11 @ 11:59AM
And bank bailouts! That's straight out of the communist manifesto.
Socialized medicine doesn't require you to purchase private industry health care, does it?
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 12:16PM
DRed,
President Dither wants a single-payer system.
Is your memory that poor?
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 12:18PM
Also, since O'Bama bailed out the banks, that would make him a nazi, wouldn't it?
DRed| 1.11.11 @ 12:21PM
Where's our single payer system? Obama is a socialist/fascist dictator, right? He crammed his Obama care system down our throats? Stuffed it down in the dead of night, by ignoring the will of We The People. So why isn't it single payer?
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 12:34PM
DRed,
Nice attempt to evade the point. Are you asserting that O'Bama is not for single-payer? Only an ignorant fool would claim that.
According to RCV, nazis are beholden to "corporate industrialists." Isn't O'Bama surrounded by guys from Goldman Sachs? And, like you wrote, he did bail them out.
DRed| 1.11.11 @ 12:40PM
I think comparing almost any contemporary american politician to the nazis or soviet communists is nonsensical demagoguery.
As for health care, I think Obama's a fairly moderate democratic politician. He said he was for single payer healthcare on the campaign trail, saw that wasn't realistic when he took office and compromised.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 1:22PM
Ahhhhh.
The sweet sound of the fat lady singing.
Thank you for playing, DRed.
DRed| 1.11.11 @ 1:27PM
That doens't make Obama a socialist, you know.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 1:44PM
DRed,
Correct.
It means you couldn't defend your poor attempt at a rebuttal.
daddio| 1.11.11 @ 11:54AM
Communists and Nazi's were of the same ilk. Nazism (National Socialism) was a left wing political philosophy, not a right wing one.
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 12:08PM
That's simply nonsense. The Nazis were right wing dieologues -- nationalistic, militaristic, xenophobic. There was nothing "socialist" about their economic philosophy: they were facilitated by right-wing corporate industrialists. They adopted the name "National Socialists" to try to appeal to working people in Germany who at the time were attracted to the german Communist Party, the Nazi's sworn enemies.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 12:14PM
RCV,
Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin weren't "nationalistic, militaristic, [and] xenophobic"?
Steve A| 1.11.11 @ 12:39PM
This argument drives me insane. Who cares? If you extrapolate liberalism to the end, you get an opressive dictatorship with total government control. Hummmm, kinda sounds like Adolph a bit.
If you extrapolate conservatism to the end, you get anarchy. No central authority, just individuals acting in self interest. The argument is a waste of time. Nobody is suggesting either....Well, I take it back. The Left is, they are just too stupid to realize they will also be opressed is they succeed.
DRed| 1.11.11 @ 12:59PM
Anarchists, oddly, are considered to be leftists. Or at least they used to be.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 1:26PM
Steve A,
No, the right-wing of the spectrum is monarchy, in the classical sense.
Steve A| 1.11.11 @ 1:41PM
Nick, I respectfully disagree. I am talking about conservatism vs. liberalism. Conservatism, distilled to its basic form, would never accept a monarchy. The individual is the authority & 100% responsible for all decisions.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 1:53PM
Steve A,
That's really libertarianism, not conservatism.
This is why I wrote in the classical sense. The left-right divide came from the split between the Hegelians. On the right were the Christian monarchists who still bought into all the masses, prolietariate, rich people are evil lies. On the left were the atheistic revolutionaries.
Conservatives were the ones who rejected Hegel and revolution, and wanted things to remain status quo, i.e. don't rock the boat.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 1:57PM
Nick,
When you think about it though, what's the diff. between having a King and being under Communist rule?
I get how you're looking at it though. But it's still all about a powerful rulership instead of a government of and by the people.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 2:42PM
Margie,
This is true. There is one school of thought that looks at the political spectrum as a circle, rather than a horizontal line.
You start at the middle blech!, then you go out so far to the left and right, that you end up becoming more and more alike, and you meet at the same place, dictatorship.
I don't buy that premise. The left/right divide got obscured during the '30s and '40s. So, now, you have to distinguish between 19th century political theory, or the ways the terms are used today.
idalily| 1.11.11 @ 3:29PM
Bingo! Margie is absolutely correct. Excellent point.
This argument of trying to parse a difference between the various forms of totalitarian rule drives me insane too, mainly because it's an academic, pointless distinction. Hitler, Stalin, right-wing, left-wing, what's the difference to the individual citizen? Zero. Totalitarianism is still totalitarian, regardless of what academics call it, regardless of whether it's communist, socialist, fascist, monarchist, feudal or social-democracy nanny state. They can call you a worker, but really, you're first, last and always a serf, a worker bee in the collective hive, serving the greater good (which you're told is the people, but is really the king, dictator, or nanny state bureaucracy). No, thanks.
That is why the United States is exceptional and Europe hates us for it. We're still trying hang onto genuine liberty. Europe traded that for the so-called safety of castle walls and government protection (control) over 1500 years ago. They've never gotten it back. It's just more palatable going down the gullet than it used to be.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 3:38PM
Thanks idialily.
I do enjoy Nick's historical knowledge though, which he has a lot more of than me, and though my comment was to the general gist of it all.. which sometimes I'm good at I think, but I'm going to defer to him, and bow out here.
Nick,
You're great. I have to admit it's too confusing to me all the lines and circles etc. I just know you're on the Right side now. :^)
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 5:04PM
Thanks Margie, appreciate that very much!
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 12:49PM
Lenin and Trotsky were internationalists to the core. They cared not one whit for Russian nationalism. Stalin was a very different animal.
But the main point is that Nazis had no interest in socialist economics -- none.
I will grant to both you and Steve, Nick, this: the traditional "left-right" continuum on which we often place political thought, is overly simplistic and often misleading. There are many scales you could construct, but none are universal. For example, Noam Chomsky, who virtually anyone would class as a leftist, is a self-identified anarchist, in the classic sense of Spanish Civil War Barcelona and the IWW. He favors abolition of central government and decision-making by local self-governing voluntary bodies (much, ironically, like Ken (Old Texan's) utopian little societies in his online work). Many other anarchists are people who would be classified as "rightists" -- extreme libertarians.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 1:40PM
RCV,
As you claim the nazis just mouthed the words of socialism, I can assert the same about Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin reguarding their fealty to internationalism.
They didn't care about the masses, they just wanted control, of everything. Why did they kill the Tsar and his family? Why did they arrest fellow Bolshevics? John Reed paid for his useful idiotness with his life.
I do understand the difficulty in using political labels from the 19th century in today's age. But, this is the fault of the left. The lies of Stalin were dutifully repeated by lefty professors in the universities.
I didn't know much about this until I started reading the history of the left in this country by David Horowitz.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 1:51PM
Mentioning David Horowitz to the resent day Nazis (Socialists) and Anarchists is like the reaction you get when pouring holy water on a demon-possessed person, or holding up a cross in the face of a vampire.
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 2:40PM
David Horowitz is a fascinating guy. Though I often disagree with him, he is a terrific writer and always interesting commentator. I especially enjoyed "Radical Son", his exposition of his ideological journey.
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 2:02PM
I'll not come to the defense of Lenin and the Bolsheviks. They were blood-thirsty thugs, and their slaughter of the Tsar's family despicable. And there is no doubt that many far leftists in this country and elsewhere perpetuated the myth that Stalin, one of the most bloodthirsty murderers ever to live, was kindly "Uncle Joe".
But these guys were, in fact, socialistic marxists. They abolished private property, forced millions into collectivized farms, nationalized all industry. Hitler was a bloodthirsty, evil fascistic thug, but he was surely no Marxist in any sense of the word.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 2:31PM
RCV,
Yes, but, fascism came from Mussolini, who was raised as a marxist. He was always a man of the left. It was his support for Italy's entry into the Great War that led the communists to label him as right-wing, in the classical sense.
The same goes for Hitler. Remember the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact? He did not espouse marxist ideology, per se, but nazism certainly had socialist tenets.
Fascism and nazism were forced into the right-wing after WWII, by Uncle Joe. Later it was foisted onto conservatives by left-wing professors.
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 2:38PM
Nick - The association of the right with fascism wasn't a post-War phenomenon. Hitler actually had a number of pre-War American admirers, and all of them were rightists, from Henry Ford and Father Coughlin to the "America Firsters" crowd.
The Nazi-Soviet "non-agression pact" was a calculated strategy by both Hitler and Stalin to give each other time to prepare for the war each knew was coming. In Mein Kampf, Hitler laid out his opposition to Bolshevism and his plans to invade the Soviet Union to destroy it.
Nickq| 1.11.11 @ 2:54PM
RCV,
What made Henry Ford a "rightist?" His anti-Semitism? Is there we are going? Ford had a lot of kooky ideas, along with Edison.
Father Coughlin right-wing? Have you listened to his diatribes? He was a huge supporter of FDR. He turned on him because he didn't believe FDR was left enough.
And, yes, Hitler was anti-Bolshevic. The nazis were trying to recruit the same guys that the communists were. They were rivals for manpower, not ideological opposites. Again, it all comes down to power.
DRed| 1.11.11 @ 3:02PM
Nick, was anybody right wing? What do you think right wing means?
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 3:12PM
DRed,
Are you blind? Try reading my posts, from above.
You can move your lips, if you'd like.
DRed| 1.11.11 @ 3:31PM
As leftists, you've got Obama, Stalin, Hitler, Father Coughlin, FDR, Mussolini, the athiestic revolutionaries and possibly Henry Ford. For the right, you say that traditionally they were religious monarchists. What am I missing?
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 5:01PM
DRed,
Why did you ask what I thought right-wing meant and who was right-wing, then? Is English your second language?
I did not claim Henry Ford was a leftist, by the way. I just asked if his anti-Semitism was what qualified him as a "rightist."
I have no idea where he was, politcally speaking, even though I'm from Detroit.
DRed| 1.11.11 @ 5:20PM
Because I'm curious what you consider right wing. Only monarchists? Was Franco right wing?
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 5:40PM
DRed,
I thought I was pretty clear.
First, was Franco right-wing in today's use of the term? No. He was a fascist. Conservatism does not lead to totalitarianism. Constitutional monarchs, in the eighteenth century, had parliaments, and respected Natural Law. (For the most part.)
Was he right-wing in the classical Hegelian divide sense of the term? I suppose so. I don't know anything about his early years and what influenced him, politically, sorry.
Are you familiar with how the political left, as we use the term today, developed out of the so-called Enlightenment era of the eighteenth century?
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 3:08PM
Coughlin began as an FDR supporter and leftist, but moved steadily right and spent the latter days of the pre-war railing against the “communistic government of Russia,” “the Lenins and Trotskys…atheistic Jews and Gentiles” [who] had murdered more than 20 million Christians and had stolen “40 billion [dollars]…of Christian property.” His Christian Front aligned with British Fascist Oswald Mosley.
I agree that Henry Ford is a bit harder to characterize, aside from his pervasive anti-semitism. He was certainly no leftist though, and more a believer in the power of free enterprise to save the world.
All of this reenforces my main point that trying to use the traditional left-right spectrum is pretty silly.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 3:26PM
RCV,
So, Fr. Coughlin, Hitler, and Mussolini all started out as left-wingers; then, for some mysterious reason, they all of sudden became rabid right-wingers? How does that happen?
Also, when did anti-Semitism become a right-wing trait? To counter that, I'll remind you of the Gazan/West Bank Arabs and the so-called "Palestinian" crisis. Are they, and their supporters, now right-wing?
You must forget all that you learned from your poli sci professors, and learn real history.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 3:28PM
p.s. What about my question, below, from our gun debate?
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 5:24PM
Hitler started as a supporter of the Kaiser and despised Weimar socialism. Read his Mein Kampf.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 5:48PM
RCV,
My only point for going down this little historical voyage was to explain exactly how fascism has been foisted on Christian conservatives, by the left, to use as a cudgel to beat us with, since the end of WWII.
That way, they can say, "Look at Goldwater, Reagan, Bush, Palin - they're radical right-wingers, just like the nazis were." Or, "If you get to far right, you start to look like a nazi."
Are you going to claim this doesn't happen on the left?
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 5:50PM
p.s. Still no answer to my question?
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 7:00PM
No, it happens the same way conservative try to label American liberals as communists. Both efforst are despicable. You, sir, are not a fascist. And I am not a communist.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 7:20PM
RCV,
Oh, come on!
Show me the 60+ years of conservatives labeling liberals as communists. And don't say Senator Joseph McCarthy. He was right about the communist infiltration in our government, even if he did go over the line in the end.
Nor, the House Select Committee on un-American Activities, started by liberal democrats in the '30s.
And the Hollywood Ten were guilty of taking orders from Moscow.
We conservatives are, just now, catching up to this Alinskyite tactic the left has practiced for years.
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 9:51PM
Democrats, including our President, are referred to as communists every day on this post. If you're new to the game, you've caught up quickly. However, as far back as 1964, when Goldwater was running, the right in books such as None Dare Call it Treason was conflating liberal Democrats with communists.
Nick| 1.12.11 @ 9:43AM
RCV,
At the same time, Dan Schorr's false, slanderous news report about Senator Goldwater vacationing in Bavaria, "Hitler's old stomping grounds," giving Der Speigl an interview, and the right-wings of America and Germany linking up, was being broadcast on the CBS Evening News with Watlter Cronkite. During the GOP convention!
Now, which had more impact, the CBS Evening News, or Mr. Stormer's book? The most watch evening news program at that time, or a book without a publisher, nor reviews?
I'm sorry, the moral equivalency argument just doesn't work in the case of the left falsely conflating conservatives with fascism.
victor| 1.13.11 @ 3:03AM
RCV:
"Democrats, including our President, are referred to as communists every day on this post."
"Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless and stateless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production,( Government gives you what you need and you don't have to pay any taxes, 47% of taxpayers don't pay income taxes)
free access to articles of consumption, ( free health care)
the end of wage labour ( every one gets paid a "living" wage)
and private property in the means of production and real estate."( everyone gets a house whether or not they can pay for it, witness all the foreclosures in HUD, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.)
Sounds like Communism to me, and if not quite, close enough for government work, eh?
victor| 1.13.11 @ 2:54AM
Father Coughlin was guided by the concept of Social Justice, which
"is based on the concepts of human rights and equality and involves a greater degree of economic egalitarianism through progressive taxation, income redistribution, or even property redistribution. These policies aim to achieve what developmental economists refer to as more equality of opportunity than may currently exist in some societies, and to manufacture equality of outcome in cases where incidental inequalities appear in a procedurally just system."
"The term and modern concept of "social justice" was coined by the Jesuit Luigi Taparelli in 1840 based on the teachings of St. Thomas Aquinas"
victor| 1.13.11 @ 2:54AM
Father Coughlin was guided by the concept of Social Justice, which
"is based on the concepts of human rights and equality and involves a greater degree of economic egalitarianism through progressive taxation, income redistribution, or even property redistribution. These policies aim to achieve what developmental economists refer to as more equality of opportunity than may currently exist in some societies, and to manufacture equality of outcome in cases where incidental inequalities appear in a procedurally just system."
"The term and modern concept of "social justice" was coined by the Jesuit Luigi Taparelli in 1840 based on the teachings of St. Thomas Aquinas"
Christopher| 1.11.11 @ 4:30PM
RCV
Interesting that you mentioned the Spanish Civi War. I had a college prof that fought in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, and he taught a great course on the Spanish Civil War. There was a lot of discussion about the Spanish Anarchists; They seemed more libertarian, and most were murdered by the communists.
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 4:42PM
They were murdered by the Communists (with a capital "C"). George Orwell wrote a wonderful book on his experiences in the Spanish Civil War and among the Spanish Anarchists, called "Homage to Catalonia" -- worth reading if you haven't already. The Spanish Anarchists were clearly not libertarian by today's definitions -- they believed in communal ownership and seizure by the workers of the factories they worked in, but they despised central control. Like Chomsky, they wanted small self-governing collectives.
W| 1.11.11 @ 12:39PM
The Nazis were atheistic, believed and instituted gun control to prohibit citizens from possession of guns so they could control the population, believed in and instituted control of the press/media, believed in and instituted aborion, euthanasia, and generally passed laws to control every aspect of the lives of the people. This is left wing totalitarian ideology.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 3:29PM
Yep. And it's the Democrat party of today!
Bill| 1.11.11 @ 10:24AM
Charles Krauthammer opined yesterday that a man who has no coherent political philosophy did not shoot Congressman Giffords out of any political discontent. He went on to say that a man who believes that the United States government is controlling people through the use of grammar suffers from a thought disorder in the clinical sense, and is clearly psychotic.
How did the Tea Party and Sarah Palin come to be Suspect No. 1 in this latest circus of hypocrisy and supposition?
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 12:10PM
Krauthammer is absolutely right. The question we ought to be asking is why we allow psychotic people such easy access to firearms that can cause mass destruction.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 12:12PM
RCV,
How would you have stopped this murderous scumbag from buying a weapon?
Steve A| 1.11.11 @ 12:22PM
RCV, I'm waiting to hear your call for the left to retract & apologize for politicizing this tragedy. You should be embarrased to consider yourself associated with people who would twist this for imagined political gain. It's sick.
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 12:41PM
I'm only responsible for myself Steve. I hate it when anyone tries to capitalize on a tragedy like the Tucson shooting or the Ft Hood shooting and use it to advance their political agenda.
As to Nick's question, I don't have an instant comprehensive answer. But this was a fellow who was expelled from college and told he couldn't re enroll without a note from a mental health professional. We need to develop a system where such people are not permitted to buy firearms. I'd like to see people work on that, but it must be done carefully so as not to infringe on the rights of people who don't have criminal records or demonstrated mental problems from keeping and bearing arms.
Steve A| 1.11.11 @ 12:53PM
Yup, I get that. Still, if rational liberals call out this nonsense for what it is, on a large scale, perhaps this garbage would cease.
As for the gun issue. I totally agree. I do not think there is really a valid solution in a free society though. You could have a guy who is fine & aquires weapons according to law & simply goes off the rails. No way to stop it. Other than another guy with a gun taking him out.
As for this kid, I would be shocked if the media whore sheriff did not have a 2" thick file on this guy. No way he should have passed background check with the school issues etc. Perhaps this is why the good sherrif is so eager to blame Sara Palin & Rush. The guy is an idiot.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 1:18PM
RCV,
You state that we need to be asking the question, but don't have one possible solution? How much thought have you given to this problem?
As I wrote yesterday, this guy could have built several pipe-bombs, with materials you can get at the local hardware store, and killed more people.
Should we require background checks to purchase plumbing supplies?
idalily| 1.11.11 @ 3:38PM
McVeigh used fertilizer. If someone is determined to kill people, nothing is going to stop that person. No law, no rule, no regulation. This is what gun-control proponents can't wrap their minds around. We can't legislate murder out of existence. What a free society can do is allow our people the ability to protect themselves, their homes, their families and their fellow citizens.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 3:45PM
Well said.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 3:53PM
Idalily,
And swiftly execute the worst offenders.
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 7:05PM
No, Nick we shouldn't. We can't make life danger free. But we can and should have better tracking systems to insure that highly disturbed people like this fellow and the Columbine kids, whose past behaviors were giant red flags, not be allowed access to firearms.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 7:46PM
RCV,
Unless they commit acts that demonstrate they are a danger to themselves, or others, there is nothing that can be done. We can't deny people their civil liberties because they act strange.
I'm not claiming this is what happened in this case. We don't know all the facts yet. But, as of today, I've heard of nothing that this murderous scumbag did that should have kept him from purchasing a firearm. This may change.
I seem to recall hearing, somewhere, that most murders are crimes of passion. It doesn't matter what weapon they use, they are going to kill, if they are determined to do so.
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 9:56PM
I make no suggestion of solving everyday crime, including murder, with gun control. You're absolutely right about most murders especially crimes of passion.
I was only focusing on the specific issues raised by Columbine, Tucson and Virginia Tech. In each of those cases the patterns of behavior were clear, known to at least some people in authority who diagnosed the potential for danger to self and community, but that did not prevent their legal access to firearms. That's the only focus I have here, and I am NOT suggesting some broadscale gun control of any sort.
victor| 1.13.11 @ 3:08AM
RCV:
"But this was a fellow who was expelled from college and told he couldn't re enroll without a note from a mental health professional. "
Once he did that, he would be in the database and therefore unable to purchase firearms.
Seems he knew that and therefore short circuited the process and furthermore proves he may not be insane, eh?
"We need to develop a system where such people are not permitted to buy firearms."
The college should have been able to report him as unstable and have his name entered into a database.
Or would that have been a violation of Due Process?
The Big E| 1.11.11 @ 12:44PM
Psychotic people, under the gun laws as they currently exist, do NOT have easy access to firearms. My understanding is that Lougher bought his gun legally after law enforcement IGNORED his well documented history of mental illness. My suspicion is that the same law enforcement office that ignored Lougher mental illness and signed off on his permit is the same one headed up by the sheriff who then tried to DEFLECT the blame onto the political right.
The fact that a lefty sheriff is unwilling to enforce the law does not justify changing the law he was unwilling to enforce.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 1:00PM
The Big E,
As far as I know, you don't need a permit in Arizona. He was put through a background check, according to news reports I read.
What is this "well documented history of mental illness" you refer to?
Again, according my understanding, he never committed any act that would have kept him from legally purchasing a weapon, until Saturday.
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 1:13PM
Nick - see my comment below
W| 1.11.11 @ 12:51PM
RCV, as a lawyer you know that as person has to be judged pschotic and not merely labeled one by a tv commentator. And you know a person has numerous rights in court to defend himself from being found mentally impaired. Did you forget about the Bill of Rights when there is a firearm involved?
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 1:12PM
No, I didn't forget about it, which is why I expressly mentioned that right in my post. But there is nothing in the Second Amendment that prevents us from keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally disturbed. And this wasn't just a case of a TV commentator labelling him. Like the disturbed kids in Columbine, this sick kid had a demonstrated history of mental instability. He was expelled from junior college because the school feared for the safety of students and professors after his bizzare behavior in class. Yet he is able to stroll into a gun shop and buy automatic weapons and ammunition. That's just crazy in my opinion, and it has tragic consequences for a lot of innocent people, including a nine year old girl and a fine federal judge, among others.
Nick| 1.11.11 @ 1:20PM
RCV,
See my comment, above.
(It was a semi-automatic pistol, by the way.)
W| 1.11.11 @ 4:24PM
Rcv, then the professor and college administrators should have contacted the police to file a report, and the police investigated, and then filed a criminal complaint or petition to commit him. They certainly had more information than the gun shop clerk. If he is found to be mentally impaired then i agree the Second Amenment is not violated. My comment about the Bill of Rights was not about the Second A, but the Sixth, the right to a trial,etc.
I heard today that there were complaint made to the Sheriff's office about this killer, but the Sheriff did nothing about it, the same Sheriff who has been on tv pontificating.
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 4:45PM
Agree completely about what the school should have done, and certainly don't blame the hun store - they don't make the rules.
And yes, of course, a crazy person can find other ways to harm people. Access to semi-automatic weapons though makes it a lot easier for them to do mass damage.
Nunya| 1.11.11 @ 6:33PM
RCV, well thought out and lucid conversation, thank you.
As a person who has purchased several firearms, I can assure you that they ask the question of one's mental competence. Unfortunately, unless someone has a police history of mental illness there's not much that can be done. When they do the instant background check and there's no record, it clears them to purchase the firearm.
RCV| 1.11.11 @ 7:03PM
And when the dust settles here, it may be that's where the weak link in the system may be: as with the Columbine shooters, there was enough here in this fellow's past behavior to tag him as a person who ought not be allowed access to firearms.
As always, Nunya, it is a pleasure to read one of your posts.
Nick| 1.12.11 @ 11:36AM
RCV,
The Columbine murderers were minors and could not legally buy firearms.
They had their 18 year old friend purchase 3 guns. She was not prosecuted because she cooperated with authorities. Two men were convicted of supplying them with guns. So, existing laws were already broken before the Columbine atrocity.
This argument never ceases to amaze me. If someone is determined to commit murder, and thus break the law, how will passing another law stop them? Do bank robbers legally purchase their weapons before they rob the bank?
It reminds me of the argument used against the Catholic Church's prohibition of artificial birth-control, including condoms, and how this teaching spreads AIDS. If a Catholic is going to violate the command against adultery, what makes critics think this same Catholic is going to obey the command against using artificial birth-control? It is illogical.
Also, if the bombs they made had worked, the death toll would have been much worse. How do you stop mentally ill people from shopping at Home Depot and Lowes?
Margie| 1.12.11 @ 4:06PM
"How do you stop mentally ill people from shopping at Home Depot and Lowes?"
I presume that in the not too distant future the Leftist scum will make a law where we'll all have to wear ankle monitors hooked up to Homeland Security. Or computer chips implanted in our brains that'll record every purchase we make.. the delusional Left knows no boundaries and indeed is using the atrocity of these murders in AZ to push for the silencing of free speech by conservatives through the "Fairness Doctrine".
RCV's probably one of their lawyers.
RCV| 1.12.11 @ 6:35PM
Just can't resist making little snarky remarks, can you Margie?
For your information as a lawyer, I filed briefs in several cases arguing that the Fairness Doctrine, whether applied to broadcasters or any other media, is unconstitutional and plainly violates the First Amendment. I spent most of my professional career fighting attempts by government to infringe on citizens' First Amendment rights.
I believe strongly in the rights of free speech, including your often-exercised right to say nasty things to other people. God bless you.
W| 1.12.11 @ 7:14PM
RCV, what type of cases did you have on the first amendment, was it representing porn publications that use the first amendment? They always argue that the obscenity laws violate the first amendment and nobody can define obscenity. Besides the ACLU that hunts down nativity sets and prayers at high school graduation, the main players were the porn publishers. Did you think that McCain-Finegold violated the first amendment? just curious.
RCV| 1.12.11 @ 7:22PM
No, I never represented a porn publication. I represented newspapers, broadcasters, reporters and book authors, as well as numerous churches whose First Amendment rights were violated.
Margie| 1.12.11 @ 7:17PM
Spare me the feigned righteous indignation, RCV~ O backer of Communists.
RCV| 1.12.11 @ 7:25PM
I've never backed a communist, Margie, ever, unless we include Democrats like your Mom and Dad.
victor| 1.13.11 @ 2:22AM
For your information, my wife was not being snarky, but asking how far do you Libs want to go in your pursuit of making us all safe from guns?
From Gene Robinson's column today, the Liberal Comm...Columnist, not the Homosexual Bishop, though I'm not sure if the first Gene Robinson is gay, not that it would matter as I still would consider him unreadable:
"To buy the gun, Loughner was required to pass a federal background check - and he did, a store manager told reporters. It is against federal law to sell a gun to someone who is mentally ill, but there is no indication that Loughner was ever officially deemed to suffer from mental illness. Even if he had been, there is a good chance that his name would not have been properly entered in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System."
The crux of this whole matter is that Loughner ws supposed to go for counseling and therefore be entered into the Mentally Unstable Database so that he would be prevented from purchasing firearms.
Some are proposing that such individuals having been adjudged to be unstable be automatically entered into that database.
Should that be the remedy or would that be a violation of Due Process?
PS telling someone the truth is never nasty, but often necessary.
PPS you really should learn the difference between semi-automatic and automatic weapons.
And there is no such thing as automatic weapon ammunition.
He could have just as easily bought a 22 pistol with hollow point bullets for target practice and no one would have thought twice.
"I believe strongly in the rights of free speech,"
That's so bloody nice of you, but the Constitution already guarantees her, me and, some would say unfortunately, you.
RCV| 1.13.11 @ 1:02PM
Victor, the comment "RCV's probably one of their lawyers" was snarky. Period.
gyspy| 1.11.11 @ 1:27PM
Because we are concerned for their privacy rights; in other words, local gunshop owners have no right to know that the local nutjob has been thrown out of college for scaring the crap out of everyone, and has been denied admission to the armed forces because of the same reasons.
Incidentally, suppose this guy had been gay and the army let him in for fear of appearing "insensitive" for trying to keep him out (a la the Fort Hood shooter) Would the current rush to judgement condemn the armed services too? Just throwing it out there
Anthony| 1.11.11 @ 10:47AM
A superb article Jed. You have distilled the problem to its most basic level. What we have with Obozo and the left is their intractable insistance that leftist hegemony IS THE only legtimate political philosophy. Anything outside this orthodoxy is heretical and must be destroyed.
For over 60 years, the left in America has placed blinders on their heads as they moved headlong towards socialism.
Like an army of ants on the move, the march goes on unabated, undetered, and with relentless passion. Some die along the way, yet the movement continues.
Those of us not part of this movement are seen as obstacles, and like an army of ants are wont to do, they attack, overwhelm, and devour anything and everything in their way.
This is what we are up against, and the outcome will not be pretty.
Doctor Simplicity| 1.11.11 @ 10:57AM
It is ironic that one of the main reason's Obama got elected was because a lot of voters thought that it was "time we had a black president". We did indeed get a black president however the blackness has nothing to do with the color of his skin but with what is in his heart and soul.
Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 11:42AM
Well put.
Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 11:06AM
" calm words spoken angrily...angry words spoken calmly"
I never could put my finger on it but, YES, that fits Obama to a T.
freedomliberty13| 1.11.11 @ 11:22AM
Obama has been passed through "the express line" his whole life, praised for voting "present" in the Illinois legislature; praised for being voted the leader of the Harvard Law Review (even though he never wrote an article for them).
He is now encountering opponents with very different views than his cronies in Chicago; opponents who are more intelligent than Obama appears to be; who are equally determined. He is now the spoiled child who is asked to debate, lead, and persuade. Like the spoiled child, it is easier to throw a tantrum than to do the difficult things required of a president.
Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 11:51AM
"Obama has been passed through 'the express line'his whole life..."
Indeed. He's the lone driver with a blow up doll in the passenger seat, cruising down the life's HOV lane.
Rick| 1.11.11 @ 11:23AM
Your description of O's inflammatory rhetoric is excellent. I have to disagree, though, that the President always sets the political tone. It seems to me that the political tone was just as harsh, if not more so, during the Bush years: I was amazed at the hatred spewed toward W during those years. But you cannot say that W set the tone for that. He seemed to be very careful not to insult or impugn his political rivals. In other words, the vitriol is still coming from the same source now as it was then.
scythe| 1.11.11 @ 11:26AM
On of the best articles I have read in eons. Yes, yes, a thousand times yes! Much has been said of the "hate speech" and vitriol being responsible for what took place this past weekend but this is the first of what I hope to be many articles laying the blame where it belongs. This country elected a sociopath two years ago. I have been alive on this earth for a long time and I have NEVER once lived through a period in this country where we have witnessed so much fear, anger, and horror at what is going on by a GOVERNMENT WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT US. Obama is a fascist whose impulses are barely contained in a country with over two hundred years of doing just that. His personality disorders, his background, everything contributed to what Americans sense today. There is also a disturbing trend which has been taking place at least since the time of Clinton, another abortion of a President elevated to something he never was. America people are increasingly being co-orced, shoved around, victims of FEDERAL FORCE, and when they protest are told to shut up or else. IS IT ANY WONDER THE COUNTRY FEELS LIKE IT IS GOING TO EXPLODE? When you no longer serve, when you no longer represent, when you RULE and PUNISH, you reap the whirlwind. Americans have shown remarkable politeness and restraint in the face of what Obama has wrought. And yet we are told WE ARE THE ONES TO BLAME. That is a favorite tactic of the left: they brew the misery and blame the victim. For the last fifty years all talk of violence and control has come from the left. Now when the right protests the viciousness of the left, the left blames the right for violence. It won't work this time. If they think the Tea Parties will take responsibility for something they had nothing to do with, we will shut up and slink away and clear the path for more fascism, more tyranny, they have another thought coming. We will push back and push back harder. Put the blame where it belongs: on the Marxist/Fascist nexus of the left in America whose Saul Alinsky type of governance, whose communist rhetoric, whose subversion, lies, deceits, and hate have poisoned the atmosphere for generations. The right had nothing to do with the state of affairs in this country. We have a president whose sole qualifications for office are that he is the correct skin color and he made a success of being a COMMUNIST AGITATOR. His entire way of looking at the world is to sow conflict between groups, pit each against the other, so he can triumph. Don't hand the average American another heaping mouthful of your fetid crap left wingers. This ain't 1995 and we are no longer going to allow you to control and define. Go to Hell.
VBMax| 1.11.11 @ 2:10PM
Scythe
From one Tea Partier to another: Well said!
Mojo Risin| 1.11.11 @ 2:24PM
Woo Wee!!!
An absolute Tour de force, your comment should be required reading for Obonehead and his sycophants, followed by their immediate resignation!!!
nefarious Fennimore| 1.11.11 @ 4:14PM
Yes, very well said, and a nice, terse summation of exactly how many millions of voters feel about the current administration and its excesses. Of course, you do realize that Paul Krugman or some other similar liberal jackass may pluck your comments from the blog to use as an example of extreme right wing "inflammatory rhetoric," even though there is nothing in your comments that I can see that would prompt anyone to--horrors--pitch a rotten egg at the rotten egg in the White House. But now that I mention it, I do have a few eggs in my fridg that are past due ....
mames| 1.11.11 @ 11:31AM
Lets wait and see how the new congress performs. If it is business as usual THEN you may see we tea party folks resort to violence only this time there will be Jeffersonian justification and it wont be pot infested, mentally ill folks involved.
Bob Miller| 1.11.11 @ 12:05PM
Speak for yourself, "mames". Get your own head examined.
Maryland Lady| 1.11.11 @ 1:11PM
Thanks for proving Scythe's point so brilliantly, Mames.
Anthony| 1.11.11 @ 11:48AM
scythe, your post is also excellent. You have analyzed the modus operandi of the left perfectly.
All of leftism is a relentless march to its goal; nothing is sacred and all are fair game, everything and anything for the cause.
The rubber band has been pulled taut to its limit, something will give soon.
martin j smith| 1.11.11 @ 12:08PM
Anyone who posts and says things that support the attack the right for their "vitriol" or anything like that is a troll. A mean anyone even if they really believe that.
Next, it important for those who do not "get it" that there is now a "political civil war" going on mostly thru use of media as surrogates . I should add that some political figures do make their "vitriol" quite clear.
Next there is a pressing need for the Right to be more assertive against any LEFT "vitrtiol' with the idea of exposing the dangers of attempts for example to curb " free speech"
One theme should be to normalize heated campaign rhetoric. Compare Obama's comments with any Republican President in terms of campaign rhetoric and it will be quite clear that Obama is far more nasty and hostile in his tone.
In the case of this latest perp show how his "vitriol" is really symptomatic of a paranoid schizophrenic which could well be his dx. And trying to use a very evil sick man into a political issues is just as sick. And I would say even more so.
Ran / Si Vis Pacem | 1.11.11 @ 12:21PM
"Barack Obama is an accomplished rhetorician. His loss of control over the political climate last year has seemingly been recovered in the December lame duck session. It is up to him to heat or cool American politics."
Mr. Babbin, many thanks, sir. I see the "control" differently. The President is increasingly irrelevant with respect to claims and message rather like the old media that covered for him in campaign days and apologizes for him today. Fewer and fewer in the public pay direct attention to what is being said either by the President or his media wing. It's about actions indeed, and it is primarily actions that are being scrutinized.
There isn't much the teleprompter can deliver that will, in the long run, change the direction or force of the coming renaissance. That would take credibility; there is precious little left. Does anyone really take seriously the notion that the Administration is "triangulating" today in a "centrist" compromise manner? Hardly.
"The time for [listening to] talk is over. The time for [judging] action is now."
Cheers,
Mojo Risin| 1.11.11 @ 12:30PM
Yep, Obonehead is a master at rhetorical manipulation and when there's some blow back, he/his supporters resort to the fail-safe, fall back position: If you oppose Obonehead, you must be a racist!!!
Oldefarte| 1.11.11 @ 12:33PM
Jed's editorial is factual and accurate, and [IMO] his description applies to liberal Democrat politicians in general, not just BHO!!!!!!
Louis Jenkins| 1.11.11 @ 12:54PM
The Pretender n Chief, and more importantly his cronies, are trying to turn the Arizona shooting into his Oklahoma City bombing. It worked for Clinton and it will undoubtly work for him. A new majority in the House? Take away its steam. And some of that majority will undoubtly go along with the game plan. Approximatley 60% of Americans do not buy into his latest political bid, but that doesn't matter. It's good press. Expect BHO to go full "guns", after all, it is better than a knife.
boomerbabe| 1.11.11 @ 1:01PM
I don't see anyone mentioning the fact that one of the heroes, a man buying tobacco products at the Walgreens next door, had a gun strapped to his person. He ran over to help tackle the shooter - he never pulled his weapon. So, two strikes against him according to the liberals - a smoker and a gun owner - does the heroic thing and helps bring down the shooter at risk to himself. My thanks to him, and I'm still waiting for the media to point out his selfless act with full background (smoker/gunowner) discussed. Never happen. And my prayers go out to the families of the victims and to the survivors - may they heal quickly, and may their spirits heal as well.
SeattleBrian| 1.11.11 @ 1:33PM
The premise that "..the root cause of the anger is to be found in the man who resides in the White House" reminds me of the wife beater who claims "..but she MADE me hit her."
I've seen some nutty responses to this tragedy, but this one takes the cake.
MikeD THE REAL ONE| 1.11.11 @ 1:40PM
To you 'usual posters'. The loonies seem to be out in force today. I have found several posts under my name that I did not write. I think "NAVY BRAT" has been getting that as well. The lefties are so 'beside themselves' that the Daily Koz' and 'Move-on.fools' are out in force.
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 1:47PM
Welcome to the club. These people stop at nothing to further their agenda and to discredit their opposition.
Remember their battle cry: By any means necessary.
AmSpec needs to do something about it, too.
JeffW| 1.11.11 @ 3:58PM
While I understand your frustration Margie, No the moderators do not need to do something. Not if we are to call ourselves conservatives. Freedom of speech must be protected or we are no better than them.
Just like burning the flag. I disagree with it and am liable to punch that person in the nose but I will respect their right to do so and not swing until the act is complete. They have they right to do it and I served to defend that right but nowhere is it written that excercising your right doesn't have consequences. ;)
Margie| 1.11.11 @ 4:35PM
Sorry Jeff but I've corresponded with two of the editors here on the subject and they inform me that they have every right to remove posts they find objectionable. I ought to know. I was banned for reacting to a specific sicko here because I called him what he was. Another author here got me "unbanned".
What I meant by editors doing something was specifically for these goons to not be able to post in the names of others. That isn't right and I do know they are working on this.
Other posts, like filthy language and name calling they say they can remove it.. it's their site.
I'd say there's a double standard though.. a certain cyber-stalker here is permitted to continue his vile language to me daily, while I must watch myself.
I think political ideology trumps the truth even among those who moderate and write here.
That's life.
skip| 1.11.11 @ 2:04PM
Good grief.
There is no hope when, on the subject of the cause of hate in society, it cannot be unanimously understood on a subject as simple as political ideology, that too far right politically is anarchy, and too far left politically is fascism, whether the fascism is in the form of communism or 'national socialism'.
The ultimate in hate is murder.
Cain killed Abel and the only available weapons were sticks and stones. Good luck regulating those.
By the way, today, just like every other day since January 22, 1973, an average of about three thousand seven hundred thirty five innocent unborn American babies will 'legally' be brutally murdered, some while partially born.
Talk about hate.
When life itself is not only not absolute, but as relative as it is, in this the greatest, most just, nation the world has ever known, a nation founded on the principles espoused by Jesus Christ, yet abortion isn't even mentioned in this thread about the cause of so much hate in our nation, I am beyond words.
Jullou | 1.11.11 @ 2:30PM
The left is always trying to change public opinion. They don't get it that they have tried the same tricks too many times and we can now predict what they (the left) will do next. Of course, none of their caustic activists could ever cause a madman to act out.
Conservatives need to publish all of the hate speech the leftists have spewed and republish it every time they make use of a crisis like this one.
1. Obama: “They Bring a Kn*fe…We Bring a G*n."
2. Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
3. Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!” *
4. Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
5. Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose a*s to kick.“
6. Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
7. Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
8. Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
9. Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”
Bob Grant| 1.11.11 @ 2:52PM
10. Obama to business leaders: "I'm the only one between you and the pitchforks"
Mike Gabel| 1.11.11 @ 6:14PM
11. Obama Inauguration prayer (Jan 2009):
...when white will embrace what is right...."
Bob Grant| 1.12.11 @ 9:55PM
Oh yea. I forgot about that one. As soon as I heard the little "preacher" spew that hate I knew then and there the American People made an epic mistake and that the next four years would be trying.
gary siebel| 1.11.11 @ 3:15PM
Why am I not surprised that, once again, John Wilkes Booth is blaming Mr Lincoln?
GENE HAUBER | 1.11.11 @ 3:18PM
DEAR JED, YOU FORGOT TO MENTION HIS APPROVAL OF ERIC HOLDERS DISMISSAL OF THE NBPP (NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY)ATTACK ON VOTERS AT THEIR VOTING PLACE.
IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS EVER HAPPENS TO ME, I WILL RESPOND IN THE SAME WAY AS THESE NEW BLACK PANTHERS.
AFTER ALL, THIS IS A COUNTRY, STILL, I BELIEVE OF CHOICE AND I CHOOSE THE CONSTITUTION, AS WRITTEN.
GENE HAUBER| 1.11.11 @ 3:31PM
"BARRY" HUSSEIN OBAMA IS SO ANTI AMERICAN.......HE CAN GO F*** HIMSELF .
WE AS AMERICANS OWE HIM NOTHING IN THE WAY OF SUPPORT.
WE DON'T NEED HIS EFFING SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST WANTS FOR AMERICA.
WE OPPOSE EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING THAT THIS MAN, BHO, STANDS FOR, LONG BEFORE HE ARRIVED ON THE SCENE AND WELL INTO THIS COUNTRY'S FUTURE, WITH GOD'S HELP.
HE IS A MENACE TO OUR CONSTITUTION AND HATES OUR FREEDOM.
Lisa| 1.11.11 @ 3:46PM
I had a thought: the shooter was a plant by Team Obama as a ploy to destroy their enemies - real and imagined - once and for all! Then I realized that no one on Team Obama is that smart!
moto helmets | 1.11.11 @ 3:48PM
The rubber band has been pulled taut to its limit, something will give soon.
martin j smith| 1.11.11 @ 4:02PM
there are trolls abound here let me list them: Edward White,Tatiana Goldberg ( these names are all fictitious of course I think it is time to start examining certain posters more carefully. For one thing as I have said many their agenda is not to have a nice debate. rather it is to provoke quotes to use in the future. Your postings. They are looking for "hate speech". That is the whole ball of wax. Now you can go ahead and try to 'break bread together and "reason with then" or you can use your brains and examine where they are coming from. Then decide two things: do I bother and if so in what way ? One option is not actually to respond to them but comment on what they post as if you were an observer of their behavior and not really relating to them. Sort of like looking at animals in the zoo. Get the drift ?
Nefarious Fennimore| 1.11.11 @ 4:16PM
Good advice.
Nefarious Fennimore| 1.11.11 @ 4:16PM
Good advice.
martin j smith| 1.11.11 @ 4:27PM
Edward White tells us what "hate speech" is. He tells how to define it. Of course that depends on weather the speaker actually feels "hate" It also depends on the writers ability to see beyond his objects of hatred. I doubt that this poster is capable seeing his own "hatred" This guys pulls quotes and frankly I don't know at all of they are accurate or not. I have no idea. But lets take a look: Robertson is a preacher--fire and brimstone. You like him -you don't that is for you to decide. But to attribute the motive--why I think that is a bit of a strech. Rush L. No preacher he. he is an observer and very astute. Thus he is a threat to the Left. He sees the Left using balkanized goups such as Blacks,gays, Latins etc etc for political purposes. He views the Left as really being very cynical with the poor claiming to want to help them yet really keeping them dependent. ucsh is not a hateful person. he is too successful and really too secure in his person to care what others thin--especially the Left. But will take the opportunity when given to make his opinions known and very often he is right on. That is why the Left "hates" him
proreason| 1.11.11 @ 4:37PM
This article is a different and insightful analysis. We have all seen the angry words little lenin uses, but the author shows how deliberate they are and shows that he hides his tracks by not combining the angry words with an angry demeanor. That's an insight I haven't heard before.
But it's even more, isn't it? This manipulator doesn't speak out of anger, he goes out of his way to make others angry, and usually in situations where it is highly inappropriate. It's a major part of the strategy. We all know this.
But it's even more than that. He doesn't just try to make his supporters angry at whatever imagined crisis he is conning them with at the moment, he also actively seeks to make people he disagrees with angry by belittling them, lording his power over them, and even needling them about their position of weakness relative to the unjustified power he has been granted. He is like a child bully who flagrantly taunts a smaller foe.
There hasn't been an agrier or more evil person in this country's history.
The author is right. The anger of the left is the natural outcome of the left's hatred of anything that opposes it, but the anger of the right is unnatural, and created by Obama, nobody else.
Radioman777| 1.11.11 @ 5:00PM
Obama is a small, hateful, man. Petty, vengeful, full of envy, greed, and malevolence; the perfect poster boy for communism.
Alan K| 1.11.11 @ 5:04PM
Mr. Babbin,
I'm sorry, but this reeks of hypocrisy. I don't know how you could justify your argument that President Obama is somehow the primary source of this heated rhetoric, when you compare the rhetoric that came from George Bush before. Here's a few examples:
"If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists"
"Mission Accomplished"
"Bring 'em On" - responding to Iraqi insurgents.
Just from reading those examples and comparing the quotes from Obama, what Obama has said seems pretty mild compared to the tone that President Bush set about America taking the offensive.
I'm sorry but I don't see how Mr. Obama's poor excuse for rhetoric can be as impactful as any other president who is trying to look like a leader.
proreason| 1.11.11 @ 5:27PM
So, you are comparing what Bush said about enemies of this country to what Obama says about his countrymen, and your conclusion is that Obama's rhetoric is no worse than Bush's.
You didn't state your political preference, but I'm guessing you side with the enemies of this country, so you are a leftist.
Alan K| 1.11.11 @ 6:46PM
I'm not a leftist, I consider myself more of a centrist. But I guess in American lingo, I would be considered a flip flopper.
When Bush said "if you're not with us, you're with the terrorist", do you honestly believe that was only restricted to people beyond America's borders? Only someone naive would have such a blind imagination.
Bush and Cheney's cowboy mentality is not really that compatible with Obama and Biden. Biden's issues with colorful language are well known, and Obama is a Chicago street pol.
Mike Gabel| 1.11.11 @ 6:23PM
As a conservative, the left's inability to identify evil and to assign proper responsibility has always been amusing to me. Their tactic for using a crisis like this is despicable, and it must always be challenged.
Let's get this straight:
We the People, it is OK to disagree, even passionately, with politicians. It is not OK to assault or attack them.
Politicians: It is OK to disagree with We the People. It is not OK to disregard We the People.
Jeamar37| 1.11.11 @ 5:13PM
Thanks to "Bob the Engineer" for the most rational statement made about this unfortunate situation. Although I am conservative, some of the comments on this blog are really often just emotional ranting of a demeaning tone on both sides of the political fence.
Karl Lucifer Marx| 1.11.11 @ 5:18PM
This place could use a laugh. WARNING! It contains an anti-PC reference!
Marine squad was marching north of Fallujah when they came upon an Iraqi terrorist who was badly injured and unconscious. On the opposite side of the road was an American Marine in a similar but less serious state.
The Marine was conscious and alert and as first aid was given to both men, the squad leader asked the injured Marine what had happened.
The Marine reported, "I was heavily armed and moving north along the highway here, and coming south was a heavily armed insurgent. We saw each other and both took cover in the ditches along the road..
I yelled to him that Saddam Hussein was a miserable, lowlife scum bag who got what he deserved. and he yelled back that Barack Obama is a lying, good-for-nothing, left wing Commie who isn't even an American.
So I said that Osama Bin Laden dresses and acts like a frigid, mean-spirited lesbian! He retaliated by yelling, "Oh yeah? Well, so does Nancy Pelosi!"
"And, there we were, in the middle of the road, shaking hands, when a truck hit us."
Carol| 1.11.11 @ 6:22PM
LOL!
Just think what the left is planning on next?
No more jokes that make inflammatory references to Obama, Osama and Pelosi at the same time.
Jeamar37| 1.11.11 @ 5:25PM
Very good Karl Lucifer Max. Maybe there is hope to elevate the tone of this site.
Mike Gabel| 1.11.11 @ 5:58PM
As a member of the tea party, I did my "shooting" on 11/2/10, and in elections past.
I condemn the Tucson shooter and I hold him solely responsible for his acts. I mourn with those families who have lost loved ones and I pray for the full recovery of those who have been wounded, including Congresswoman Giffords.
Who Knows?| 1.11.11 @ 6:26PM
As usual, Jed Babbin piquantly nails the absolute truth.
Liberals want to have it both ways. So, they love it that BHO is president, and so powerful.
But, he's NOT responsible for anything bad.
Reminds me of a joke I heard, TWICE, when in the army around 1967--
This guy went to his girlfriend's house, and was making out with her, when her little brother came in and wouldn't stop watching.
The guy begged him to leave. But, he refused.
He offered him some candy, and still he wouldn't go.
So, he gave him $5 and told him to go buy some "what's what?".
This intrigued the little fellah, so off he went.
First, he went to a store and asked for some "what's what?" The clerk said he didn't know what he was talking about.
Next he went to a theater, and they didn't know either.
After going everywhere he knew of, he finally went to the red light district.
He knocked on a door, and this young lady with a flimsy skirt that only came down to her knees answered.
He asked for some "what's what?", and she said she didn't know what he was talking about.
Right then, a wind came up, and blew her skirt up.
The kid asked, "What's that?"
She said, "What's what?"
And, he said, "I'll take $5 worth!"
dw| 1.11.11 @ 6:46PM
The actions of a mentally deranged murderer has no place in the political discussions except when used by mentally deranged liberals to silence debate they otherwise have no response to.
They are sick people using the misfortunes of the assaillant and his victims to further their socialist over throw of this country.
Sonny| 1.11.11 @ 8:44PM
as Usual, I smell the Stench of George Soros, and Obama, all over this leftist vitriol of hatred, through his tactics of class warfare, and political ideological warfare, of the far left Anti-American Liberal Hate Mongers, by stoking the fire and flames of hatred and division, exploiting a tragic criminal incident, for political gain, and wishes to create a new Civil War in the streets..
Shut down all Free Speech, ALL Conservative talk shows, and radio and TV and Internet outlets and Networks... Suppress and Control the media communication, and you can control the message and the People, and thus the Nation.. This is Obama's, and George Soros's ultimate goal.!!!
As President Ronald Reagan once said:
"Democracy and Freedom, must defended with each generation, for if it is not, it will surely Perish".!!
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their
just powers from the consent of the governed."
WeMustResist| 1.11.11 @ 8:45PM
1) Jed may be right in saying that Obama is more responsible for the political climate of anger than anyone else.
2) So what? It was not the political climate which caused the crime.
3) The crime came about because a madman had a gun. Any armed madman is going to cause a crime sooner or later. The political atmosphere does not bring the crime forward or postpone the crime, any more than the phases of the moon.
4) Are we sure that Obama is the author of his autobiographies?
Longplay| 1.11.11 @ 9:14PM
"Barack Obama is an accomplished rhetorician." He's also a master-manipulator. That, too, is evidenced in his autobiography. It's a trait he consciously cultivated. His rhetorical flourishes are purposed for manipulation.
A pen| 1.12.11 @ 6:16AM
You don't suppose Obama became the way he is from being raised by contemtuous people who agitated for the overthrow of the US, would you? Since we can't look at his records to verify his demeanor we must go by his childhood which was unstable and foreign, his mid tears with his mentors and his political acts such as interfering in Kenyan politics illegally while only voting present at home so as to remain unknown. This is an exercise in futility trying to escape the obvious mistake of granting so much power to a mystery man while every day he remains he makes his legitimate removal more neccessary than patiently waiting him out at the expense of our economy and a return to racial and religious turmoil to say nothing of the respect for law or judicial enforcement.
winterhawk| 1.12.11 @ 8:23AM
Couldn't agree more. If they bring a knife, we'll bring a gun. This from an alleged leader.
Franco| 1.12.11 @ 11:34AM
That quote is from "The Untouchables" film. How about we issue an arrest warrant for David Mamet, who wrote its screenplay? That hateful bastard!
vincenzo spiaggi| 1.12.11 @ 10:19AM
Bravo, Jed,
This is the best indictment of Obama that I've read in a long time. It should be a staple of every political ad in 2012.
And, allow me to reiterate: "Obama is what you get when you allow imbeciles to vote."
Franco| 1.12.11 @ 11:33AM
There is no such thing as "hate speech" . If there were, there would be a thing called "love speech."
There is speech. Just speech.
GBinPA| 1.12.11 @ 11:46AM
President Obama sacrificed all of his credibility as a leader when he ignored the boorish behavior of his supporters as they jeered the outgoing president. He could have asked his supporters to be respectful, but did not. He lost me for good on his first day.
hugh bnyn| 1.14.11 @ 12:36AM
DON'T fall for the latest false paradigm set-up
----it's even emptier than Ooprah's favorite things.
FACT IS the ONLY criteria for evaluation at this
point is Globalist or ANTI-Globalist.
AS world 'consolidation', cultural franchise slum
standardization and elimination, collpase of currencies, pensions and borders chugs on --'by design' ----we can't afford spending any energy on diversion.
MORE important is to hurl the Globalist frontmen
and operatives from genuine American conservative ranks.
These surely include Newt 'eugenics friendly'
Gingrich, and John 'Mercenary' McCain
---as well as ther ENTIRE Luciferian Freemasonic
ultra-Globalist Bush clan ---its 'concealed' bloodline issues included.
And even American liberals whould be hurling
Rockefeller spawn Bill Clinton et al ---and of course the ever 'concealed' Barack Obama.
Surely the deep and underlying issue are these
sinister, indeed Freemasonically Luciferian
'charitable' foundations and tax free NGO's
and their stealth agendas of world consolidation,
standardization and elimination of dissent
and flagrant, ON record involvement in the
promotion of MASS eugenocide.
REMEMBER, ON record ----90% of the human race to be exterminated by 2100.
IT can't get any plainer.
Call out, audit, interogate, prosecute and dismantle -------NOW!
Adidas | 8.11.11 @ 5:47AM
is good
العاب | 4.10.12 @ 12:57PM
You would that the Left would hesitate before bringing up the 'motivation' smear by now; it seems to me that these lone nuts usually have more left-wing craziness in their 'resumes' than not