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By Jeffrey Lord on 1.10.11 @ 6:09AM

Leftist Arizona law officer, leftwing media accused of “downright evil.”

“He should be strung up.”

The speaker: one very angry federal judge furious at the cynicism displayed by both Arizona Sheriff Clarence Dupnik and the mainstream media in the shootings that took the life of one federal judge, wounded Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, and killed or wounded 17 others.

The judge, a personal friend of the murdered federal judge John Roll, declined to be cited by name but was brimming with anger at what he termed the “cynicism and downright evil” of the liberal media’s “cynical attempt” to blame conservative talk radio and television for the murder of the only public official not to survive the shootings — the conservative Catholic Roll, an appointee of President George H.W. Bush.

The judge, who assigned blame for the shootings to “a lone nut,” was bitter over Dupnik’s much televised departure from his job as sheriff to relate the facts of the shooting and instead start “grabbing the limelight for publicity.”

Said the furious judge: “And though terribly tragic though all of this is, how ironic that the one constitutional officer to die was a conservative, Republican-appointed federal judge. Will anyone point out the hypocrisy of liberal media on that one? Or is it a fact that is just too inconvenient?”

It’s not inconvenient here.

Roll was described by his grief-stricken friend and colleague as “a conservative, values type Catholic who attended mass almost daily. When John and I first met, we discussed religion and culture at dinner. Just the two of us. I introduced him to Richard John Neuhaus’s First Things, and he later subscribed.”

The judge’s fury comes as both Sheriff Dupnik and the liberal media are trying to blame everyone from the Tea Party to Sarah Palin to, in Dupnik’s words, “the crap that comes out on radio and TV” for the murders. Meaning, of course, conservative talk radio and Fox News. While Arizona Democratic Congressman Raul Grijalva tries to say that Palin was responsible for the “political tone and tenor” that led to the rampage, the judge says that in fact federal judges receive threats all the time ranging from “disappointed litigants and prisoners” to “nuts.” The judge believes the alleged Arizona killer, Jared Lee Loughner, repeatedly described by those who knew him as mentally unstable, was decidedly in the latter category and therefore the kind of person who poses a special threat to federal judges or any public official — the “lone nut who doesn’t make a specific threat.”

The judge sees Dupnik, the man Politico identifies as “the liberal sheriff,” disgracefully using his time in the tragedy’s spotlight not to do his job but gain publicity by helping the liberal media exploit the killings by a “nut” to exploit a liberal political agenda — gliding over the hard news fact that the only constitutional officer to die in the attack was a conservative Republican.

It was noted that during the controversy over the passage by Arizona of a bill enforcing federal immigration law, Dupnik sought out national media to essentially call the state’s governor and legislature racists (here in the Wall Street Journal

and here in the New York Daily News).

The judge’s angry remarks mean one thing: it’s time for plain talk.

LEFTIST POLITICAL philosophy — whether at its Communist extremes or with its weakest American liberal strains — is about one thing and one thing only: man’s domination of other men. Control. And in the relentless drive to dominate, leftists have a brutal, well-on-the-record history of two things.

First, deliberately and willfully committing political violence in the name of a leftist cause.

Second, blaming that violence on others — the “somebody else made me do it” defense. Or, if the violence was perpetrated by a non-political crazy — a “lone nut” in the judge’s words — cynically ascribing this violence to the favorite leftist political target — and yes, target is the word — of the moment.

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Jeffrey Lord is a former Reagan White House political director and author. He writes from Pennsylvania at jlpa1@aol.com.

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Booger | 1.10.11 @ 6:12AM

From the desk of President B. Hussein Obama:

Dear Comrades and citizens of amerikkka,

In light of the recent treacherous murders committed by Sarah Palin's acolyte, I must call on all of you people who are truly of good will to cease the hateful, divisive and seditious language which has plagued this country of late. Quite frankly, this violence comes as a surprise to no one who has paid any attention whatsoever to the demagogues of the fascistic Republican party and their willing accomplices on the airwaves of talk radio and Fox news. It is time for the unpatriotic, bigoted bile which spews from these people to come to an end, by whatever means necessary.

As I have stated before, if My opponent brings a knife to a fight, then I will bring a gun. You people out there in flyover country had better pay close attention here. I am tired of having to tell you to clean up your act. Your insistence on bitterly clinging to your guns and bibles is the root cause of the disease of racism and violence which infects this pathetic excuse for a country. It's high time I proved to you that I will indeed bring my gun up against your knives, so either end your petulant whining or I'll have to end it for you.

Just as I told My Hispanic friends during the recent campaign, it's time for Me to punish My enemies. Your incendiary comments are without any shadow of a doubt the cause of the recent shooting that has rocked this nation. You people are always trying to block My Great Plan for this country and the rest of the world, always screaming and complaining about your so-called "rights" and your pathetic "constitution" which is over a hundred years old, for crying out loud. How is anybody supposed to understand something that old? Face it, you just don't know what's good for you, but you will soon enough. Like I said, I punish My enemies.

I promised you rednecks out there that if you took the Congress away from Me and My party there would be hand to hand combat. Well now you're going to get it. I am sick and tired of your violent hate speech and the violent actions of your crazed veterans out there. One of My congresswomen from Arizona has already assured me this shooter was a veteran of the war in Afghanistan, which of course means this is all Bush's fault. Of course it's all Palin and Limbaugh's fault also, but don't worry, there's plenty of one-hundred per-cent fault to go around for all of My enemies who need to be punished.

I'm reminded of My good buddy Joe Biden, who said a while back he'd like to strangle any Republican who talked about balancing the budget. Joe was right on, he just didn't go far enough. We need to strangle and Republican who launches investigations into My czars and their noble work. We need to strangle Republicans who want to try to repeal My Great Health Care Bill. We need to strangle Republicans who have poll numbers that show they might have a chance against Me in 2012. And we definitely need to strangle each and every member of the nefarious Tea-bagger movement. So cut the violent rhetoric out there already!

As My good friend and mentor Bill Ayers always tells Me, I have to be able to function without regret. Hey, Bill killed three cops and he doesn't have any regrets! Maybe it's because he doesn't engage in the violent, crazed, right-wing agit-prop against My Greatness that is going on in the country right now. Let's face it, if it weren't for the Tea-baggers, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbauh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and Fox News, there wouldn't be any violence in amerikkka. Well believe you Me, when I bring a gun to the fight, punish my enemies, engage in hand-to-hand combat and strangle Republicans, I won't have any regrets at all. So knock off all the violent rhetoric out there before somebody else gets hurt. After all, it's not like I don't know how to use the Chicago Way.

Your Leader in the Struggle,

President for Life B. Hussein Obama

http://beautifulletters-bls.blogspot.com/

Jeremiah| 1.10.11 @ 8:41AM

Booger Rules!

Eric Cartman| 1.10.11 @ 8:55AM

Let the old scumbag know what you think: http://pimasheriff.org/contacts/

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.10.11 @ 9:11AM

Booger,
Biting satire, my friend; biting.
Sometimes fiction can make an end run and bring the truth home. Get my book. www.texassaidno.com

Michael L. Hauschild| 1.10.11 @ 12:21PM

Much is being stated about the lunatic perpetrating (and the lesser but equally irrational) lunatics reveling in the blame game following the aftermath of the shootings in Arizona. The usual suspects are in full “fire drill” mode declaring war, not on the enforcement agencies whose ignorance and PC correctness wonks allowed this monster to endure, but against the citizens who wish to own a firearm for the protection they obviously cannot provide.
The argument for gun control is no longer anything but a mantra; to the educated and skeptical public they have become nothing more than background noise or the festooned curtain behind a phony politician. The media darlings, their allies, will once again take up the banner of “gun control” with videos of “machine guns (which you cannot buy),” militias hiding in the woods, e-book authors in Texas, and unfounded statistical falsehoods.
They will, once more “march” on the gun owner. Now I can only speak for myself, but I am a Second Amendment soldier. I belong to the largest freedom securing Army in the world, the honest law-abiding American armed citizen. Should you choose to go to conflict, bring it; but the battles will not be fought with firearms. We will leave the actual gunfire to the left wing lunatic communist clowns that you so stridently protect and often revere. In all likelihood should actual gunfire erupt it will actually be one of us that saves your ungrateful ass from the insane spawns of your socialist class warfare.
So go right ahead, spew your hatred, denounce our champions, vilify our Tea Party, make your declaration. Realize, however, the inanimate objects you so hate will not be the weapon of our choice. Our weapon will be the ballot, the battle field will be the polls, and the casualties will be identified by the concession speeches. Remember too that those ballots seeing your removal will assure that the justice (and Justices) needed to execute the degenerate scum who actually perpetrate the very acts to which you suggest we are capable.
One more thing to contemplate, the Geneva Convention does not prohibit us from graphically superposing “crosshairs” on your district’s boundaries, it does not prohibit our language to include the terms “targeted,” “eliminate,” or “annihilate” and our “legions” of voters are actual citizens, not the roster of a Chicago cemetery, not a hanging chad, and certainly not mercenaries such as the illegal aliens you wish to franchise.
The disgust I feel for those in the media and the politicians exploiting these tragic deaths at the hands of the “communist manifesto” bearing assassin rivals that which I feel for those protesting the military funerals of our war heroes.

aL cAMERON| 1.10.11 @ 6:04PM

Good Stuff

Alan Brooks| 1.10.11 @ 7:09PM

Hi, I'm Alan Brooks and I demand attention, I demand to be relevant and I demand people respect me. Please reply to my posts, I'm lonely and the computer is my only friend, except for the homeless guy down the street who invented a time machine but the government stole it.

the real Alan Brooks| 1.10.11 @ 9:15PM

Tim*, everybody knows it's you impersonating again.
It's all that Manischewitz wine you have been drinking.

Alan Brooks| 1.10.11 @ 9:32AM

"And though terribly tragic though all of this is, how ironic that the one constitutional officer to die was a conservative, Republican-appointed federal judge. Will anyone point out the hypocrisy of liberal media on that one? Or is it a fact that is just too inconvenient?"

But if the intended target dies you guys wont shed tears or lose sleep about her. Do you know that half her skull was temporarily (unless she dies of course) removed to reduce the swelling?

WB| 1.10.11 @ 9:38AM

"But if the intended target dies you guys wont shed tears or lose sleep about her."

-- My, my, so now we can add mindreading to your list of talents. Go crawl back under your rock ...

Todd S| 1.10.11 @ 9:42AM

Shut the hell up you useless old windbag, sick of your nonsense. I am sure the likes of Paul Krugman won't lose one minute sleep as they try to exploit this tragedy to smear their political opponents with lies. That is true evil and exposes the Marxist left mindset, the ends always justify the means.

Alan Brooks| 1.10.11 @ 11:42AM

I don't say you dislike Giffords; I say you do not care about her.

Quartermaster| 1.10.11 @ 11:52AM

Just as they said above, mind reader.

Part of her skull was not removed to reduce swelling. It was removed and preserved so that the brain swells, normal for injuries f this kind, the brain will not further bruised causeing more swelling and brain damage.

Not much of a physician either, it seems. You sure don't make it as a mind reader.

Alan Brooks| 1.10.11 @ 12:05PM

"Not much of a physician either, it seems. You sure don't make it as a mind reader."

What med school did you graduate from, and where did you do your residency?

gypsy| 1.10.11 @ 12:27PM

why? Do you plan on gunning him down? sound s exactly like what a paranoid leftwing nutjob like you would try

jeff | 1.10.11 @ 1:58PM

You're a pathetic person and a pathetic excuse for a man - as previously said go craul back under your rock you A Hole.

MarkR| 1.10.11 @ 2:53PM

Wow I thought I knew God- but looks like Alan Brooks is leading me to question that! Alan Brooks God? Whod a thunk it!

Sid Vicious| 1.10.11 @ 3:21PM

Alan is living proof that He has a great sense of humor.

Albert| 1.10.11 @ 3:33PM

And just how do you know this? Projecting your own behavior again? Mr. Brooks, you are mentally disturbed.

George True| 1.10.11 @ 9:58AM

Every conservative I have ever known absolutely hates to see something like this happen in America. Regardless of whether the victim is Dem or Rep, we hate it, and we will all be disturbed even deeper than we already are is she dies.

On the other hand Alan, many leftists I know would be having celebration parties if any prominent Republican or conservative figure had such a tragedy befall them.

I have stuck up for you here before, Alan. Although I disagree with you about 80-90% of the time, you occasionally made me re-examine my views, which is what forums like this are for. But your vile and outlandish slander today of everybody here is beyond the pale. I think you owe an apology for that.

pete the mediocre| 1.10.11 @ 10:47AM

Well said, George. Alan's post was typical leftist fare using a straw man argument to discredit conservatives.

I, like every other conservative I know, deplore this kind of violence. We are about discourse, not anarchy.

SonOfSam| 1.10.11 @ 12:28PM

dont hold your breath waiting for an apology, George: Allan will never apologize because he's never wrong. His mommy tells him so every day

Stan Redmond| 1.10.11 @ 2:23PM

WOW. You just reminded me.

I remember the collective leftist orgasm when Tony Snow announced his terminal cancer.

Margie| 1.10.11 @ 7:04PM

Loved Tony Snow. He's enjoying eternity in Heaven now with God. I wrote to him when he was dying of Cancer in '07.
I was surprised that he emailed me back to thank me. I'm going to post it here, just as a memorium:

THE WHITE HOUSE
Washington

Thanks so much for the kind note - and for including me in your thoughts
and prayers.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate you thinking of me and raising my
name in prayer. Prayers have enormous power. They're good medicine - and
they certainly have lifted my spirits. I feel as if I have been borne on
the shoulders of thousands of friends, all of whom have made the ride
easier than I ever could have imagined.

We're blessed to live in a land where people just want an excuse to do
something good for someone else. Thanks for taking advantage of that
opportunity with me. Please encourage others to do it closer to home for
other friends in need. Kind words, notes, emails, and small gestures
have a way of lightening the load, while making our own lives richer and
more rewarding.

Again, thanks for the incredible gift of caring.

God bless,

TONY SNOW

~Conservatives DO care and we care about everyone who is in need.
And Gabrielle Giffords is in our prayers, right along with those who were injured, as well as the families of the Judge and the other victim's families.

Nick| 1.10.11 @ 8:09PM

Margie,

Thank you for sharing.
That was awesome.

Agnus Dei| 1.10.11 @ 9:35PM

Snow says , "Kind words, notes, emails, and small gestures have a way of lightening the load, while making our own lives richer and
more rewarding."

My Dear Margie, if only you could contain your anger and express yourself in kinder words when engaging in rebuttal on this blog.

You shall be in my prayers . . . always.

Margie| 1.11.11 @ 12:05AM

Uh,

Here in these blogs are some of the most vile human beings that call themselves Catholic.
They are a product of what their Religion teaches them.
They hide in it and curse Christians.
Jesus wasn't "nice" when He excoriated the Religious phonies, and He doesn't require it from me. What HE does require is that I love the Truth.
Something these phonies who curse me know nothing of.

RCV| 1.11.11 @ 2:47PM

More despicable venom after an otherwise lovely post on Tony Snow, a truly wonderful guy. It also exposes the lie that while you oppose Catholic doctrine, you don't hate Catholics.

allblues| 1.11.11 @ 12:53AM

As a resident of the Peoples Republic of Berkeley when Reagan was shot, I heard more than a few leftists wish for his death rather than recovery.

Every day I get more and more convinced that leftists are truly the spawn of Satan.

David W| 1.10.11 @ 10:04AM

We "conservatives" shed tears for all of those who were murdered by an obviously deranged person (as we do for anyone).

We also shed tears for the death of intelligent dialogue and commentary from the likes of Mr. Brooks (as his comments about us not caring for the injury of the Congresswoman so well illustrate).

When I saw a report on those attacked it was clear that the Congresswoman was a "democrat" in the middle of a Republican stronghold. But nothing was mentioned of the Judge's leaning or who appointed him. I would bet you any amount of money that had Judge Roll been appointed by Clinton (or especially Obama) that would have been "shouted from the rooftops" as even more proof of evil Republican/Conservative/Tea Party conspiracy and evilness.

Old Soldier| 1.10.11 @ 10:36AM

I don't shed tears for people I don't know - certainly not middle-aged folks like myself. It's a big bad world and I would be crying all day.

On the other hand, this disgusting little commie also killed a 9-year-old girl out of shear carelessness and hate. That makes my blood boil. I'm hoping he gets the needle sooner than latter.

Alan Brooks| 1.10.11 @ 11:38AM

"On the other hand, this disgusting little commie"

Golly, I though commies wanted to kill Republicans, not Dems.
BTW, Giffords is Dem, you might have heard.

onetermer| 1.10.11 @ 11:47AM

Right, that's why Lee Harvey Oswald, a proven commie, shot a Repub, oh wait.

missbosslady| 1.10.11 @ 11:54AM

Alan,

Unlike many readers here I smile everytime a lefty says or posts rhetoric such as you have today.

I implore you and Krugman, Robinson, Dupnick, Clyburn, et al to continue to ramp up your despicable outbursts. As you and your ilk gleefully remove the veil and reveal yourselves to all more and more good folks are being repulsed by you and your diseased ideology. This is a good thing.

So press on Brooks! Please hasten the inevitable demise of the American left.

I await your disgusting response with breathless anticipation.

daddio| 1.10.11 @ 2:46PM

Amen! By their actions you shall know them!

JmsA| 1.10.11 @ 6:56PM

Straight to the crux of the matter, missbosslady. Well done indeed.

Stan Redmond| 1.10.11 @ 2:24PM

He did kill a republican!

JmsA| 1.10.11 @ 6:56PM

They don't care!

Alan Brooks| 1.10.11 @ 9:20PM

Stan Redmond| 1.10.11 @ 2:24PM"
quote "He did kill a republican!" unquote

Loughner's intention was NOT to kill Republican Roll,
his intention was to kill Democrat Giffords.

Kishego| 1.11.11 @ 3:31PM

So that's why he just kept shooting AFTER the Congresswoman was shot ? That's why he killed the little girl ? That's why he was stopped while trying to reload for more shooting ? I get it ! Gee AB thanks so much, you are so smart and insightful. I used to want to grow up and be like my Dad but, now I want to be smart and deboner just like Allen.

Curtis Rasmussen| 1.10.11 @ 3:43PM

Commies will eliminate the useful idiots within their own ranks first. Look at Stalin. Look at Mao. Look at Hitler. Look at Saddam Hussein.

Don't look at Alan Brooks. All his opinions are completely decoupled from history.

LarryG| 1.10.11 @ 6:45PM

Communists don't care who theykill as long as they can kill some one they can lay some blame on for their own failures and stupities. Kind of makes me think of jihadism. Then invoke Alinsky.

GavInTucson| 1.11.11 @ 12:46AM

Alan, Ms. Giffords started her career as a Republican in the State Legislature. Even after she switched parties, she still voted with Republicans 40% of the time. She's been labeled by the likes of Obama, moveon.org, and the Huffington Post as a traitor to her party.

I think you better be prepared for the possibility that she was killed by a deranged leftist that didn't think she was "liberal enough."

I'm not saying that's necessarily the case, but it is still within the realm of possibility.

Especially when you consider the fact that liberals have been trying to tie the killer to the tea party, and talk radio, even though there's been absolutely no evidence to back any of those claims up.

oldbrowser| 1.10.11 @ 10:56AM

She is a wonderful congresswoman and I hope she recovers completely and returns to congress.
You will get over your misguided opinions as you grow older and wiser.

Alan Brooks| 1.10.11 @ 11:39AM

Crocodile tears.

SonOfSam| 1.10.11 @ 12:30PM

If she's a reptile, then she's still about 300 million years more evolved than you

"Having a reasonable debate with a liberal is like trying to play volleyball with a goldfish: they don't get it, they can't do it, its an utter waste of your time"

LarryG| 1.10.11 @ 6:48PM

You are a pathethic, miserable wretch. Che would be proud of you.

Kishego| 1.11.11 @ 3:33PM

F-OFF AB, you POS!!

darcy| 1.11.11 @ 1:49AM

I hope Gabby Giffords recovers fully and goes home to be with her husband and children.

She is pro-choice, an unconscionable position, imo.

She voted for cap n trade (stopped so far by the Senate) and the stimulous, both of which are big government boondoggles. My grandson, born last May, already owes the US government $45,000 as his part of government over-spending.

Not to mention, of course, the pleading and begging I did with her through emails and letters to vote no on Obamacare, surely the very road to our final descent into collectivism -- appeals that fell on deaf ears.

As much as I wish her God-speed in her recovery, so too do I wish that AZ-8 would have a conservative congressman or woman.

Jeffrey Lord: Excellent work! Your point about the conservative Judge Roll's death as being totally ignored is unhappily true: it simply did not fit the Leftist meme of blaming the Tea Party and Sarah Palin, so they made it as if it hadn't happened at all.

Stormzeye| 1.10.11 @ 11:39AM

Alan, you never disappoint. Thank you for posting your mean and hateful statements. It validates what we know of the progressive/left mentality.

Alan Brooks| 1.10.11 @ 12:08PM

Crocodile sobs and laments. When did you start admiring Dems in any way. And don't write "some of my best friends are Democrats", no one wants to hear that shit anymore.

Wayne | 1.10.11 @ 12:22PM

You know that Nancy Pelosi had a bone to pick with her right? Giffords had the nerve to vote AGAINST the mafia princess. That makes her worse than a Republican. It makes her a Blue-dog. Pelosi did her best to drive them all out of the House.

SonOfSam| 1.10.11 @ 12:31PM

If she's a reptile, then she's still about 300 million years more evolved than you

"Having a reasonable debate with a liberal is like trying to play volleyball with a goldfish: they don't get it, they can't do it, its an utter waste of your time"

gypsy| 1.10.11 @ 12:34PM

Hey Alan, I've been a registered Republican since Reagan was first elected. My wife has been a registered Democrat that whole time too. I admire her greatly: she's a woman of class, integrity and intelligence. She is also a member of our local Tea Party, as am I.

Perhaps if you followed my wife's example, you too could be a great lady someday. You might want to stop being hysterically menopausal 24/7 to begin with

Alan Brooks| 1.10.11 @ 9:23PM

"My wife has been a registered Democrat that whole time too."

Of course you admire her, she is your wife- but you don't admire Giffords, who is a stranger.

Albert| 1.10.11 @ 10:43PM

And I ask again: How do you "know" this? Why do ascribe behavior and motives to people when you have no such knowledge? Perhaps as "retribution" you could advocate napalming the next Arizona Tea Party rally and terminate Tea Partiers "with extreme prejudice", to use your own words. You need help.

Chalkdust| 1.10.11 @ 6:26PM

America was a much better, safer nation to live in when the loyal apposition were in control of the Democratic party. Americans such as "Scoop" Jackson, Sam Nunn, Adlai Stevenson could always be counted on to think America first, party second.
Now the vile, hateful European arm of the communist party control one of Americas political parties, it is up to Conservative (those who have a constitutional fetish we're told) to fight for the soul of America.

carnot| 1.10.11 @ 9:09PM

nice try.

it's not about admiring Dems. it's about the gutter response of the Left to this tragedy - you know...Dems!

GavInTucson| 1.11.11 @ 1:17AM

Wow, Alan..."no one wants to hear that shit anymore?" Well, since you are in fact a "no one" I'll assume you want to hear this. Giffords is a very well liked and respected member of Congress in this town, by both Republicans and Democrats. She's one of the few members of Congress that puts her ideology on the side (she admits to being a liberal), and does her job as a representative of the people. If you look at her voting record, and cross-reference it with the political proclivities of her electorate, you'll find that she almost perfectly represents her district.

She voted in favor of Obamacare, but is also pro-life, pro-military, pro-border security, and has been an advocate of securing our borders. She has done what most representatives fail to do... represent her district, regardless of her own personal beliefs.

You're beginning to sicken me, Alan.

You claim that others are crying "crocodile tears" for Giffords, yet you yourself seem to relish at the idea that right-wingers are somehow responsible for her death.

darcy| 1.11.11 @ 2:06AM

GavinTucson, you wrote: "She voted in favor of Obamacare, but is also pro-life . . ."

I've checked to be sure to confirm what you say about her pro-life stance and found this: http://emilyslist.org/who/women_we_helped_elect/

I had understood that Gabby Giffords was pro-choice, and according to Emily's List (whose mission is to get pro-choice women elected to government) Gabby is one such woman. You can link to the above page to confirm for yourself.

SETH | 1.10.11 @ 2:10PM

"...mean and hateful comments...."

AS IF the Judge saying that the sheriff should be "strung up" is sweet and compassionate...

Nu?

carnot| 1.10.11 @ 8:46PM

like you care.

E. R.| 1.10.11 @ 1:19PM

Only A Matter Of Time:

Palin, Limbaugh, and the others got lucky (if you can call it that) and they probably aren’t responsible this time.

However, I believe their heated rhetoric will eventually be the direct cause of violence. It's only a matter of time before they incite the potentially-dangerous right wing to take violence into their hands, and after reading coments on this blog, I see that some of the readers of AmSpec secretly want this to happen.

chuck| 1.10.11 @ 1:38PM

Did you even read the article before you posted such nonsense? If you had, you would have realized that political violence comes from the left, not the right. As to "heated rhetoric", I believe you should direct your comments to the left, the president, vice-president, unions, HuffPo, DailyKos.............

George True| 1.10.11 @ 1:48PM

The "potentially dangerous right wing" that you speak of has never yet caused an act of political violence, in spite of all the warnings by the media and the Democrats that they shill for.

On the other hand, the ACTUALLY violent left wing that the media has NEVER warned us about has committed many acts of violence in this country over the years.

I have never heard anything on Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, etc that could be construed as inciting to violence. But media lefties such as Keith Olbermann and Ed Schultz spew hateful and deranged bile every day. Perhaps you should examine the potential connection between them and all the acts of leftist violence that have been committed in recent years.

darcy| 1.11.11 @ 2:13AM

Speaking of violence, the Left must truly live in la-la land to imagine that educated Americans can't pick up a book, say The Black Book of Communism and see for themselves just how murderously violent the Left has actually been; in just the 20th Century 100 million people were wiped off the face of the earth at the hands of Leftist maniacs around the globe.

And the Christian Right or right-wingers generally??? Dr. Tiller's death maybe, and a handful of others. But really now. Let's not be obtuse and deliberately ignorant of the facts.

Stan Redmond| 1.10.11 @ 2:27PM

Was this "cut and paste" straight off every other left leaning comment section? Really, there are endless comments of near identical statements with only the targeted website changed.

missbosslady| 1.10.11 @ 5:56PM

E.R.,

Only the simpletons on the left believe that a free thinking person can be talked into doing something they otherwise would not do!

Perhaps, you are of this weak strain of humanity, but most conservatives are decidedly not, in fact personal responsiblity is inherent in our belief system. No one can MAKE me do anything. It's called choice-aquaint yourself.

You pathetic liberals are so easily talked into your lunacy that you cannot fathom that this is not the case for many others. I believe the term is 'projection'.

But, since you want to play childish games, then I choose to pin the shootings on that little turd Markos of DailyKos who posted an article, after the Pelosi vote, about his congresswoman Gabriela Giffords. The title to his piece "My Congresswoman Giffords is dead to me"

Of course, being the brave little mouse that he is, Markos has scrubbed the piece from his cesspool website. Fortunatley, a screenshot was saved for posterity.

Face it ER the left is traditionally the side of bomb throwers, but figuratively and literally. You can wish it to be otherwise, but wishing will not make it so. Your dog won't hunt, honey, no matter how many times you kick it.

Personally, I think the days of the American left are numbered, and you can take that literally, figuratively, metaphorically.....I really don't care. We are witnessing the death throws of a violent, seedy, evil ideology and I for one cannot wait for the last gasp!

Chalkdust| 1.10.11 @ 6:44PM

I don't think the fact we stand ready, if called or provoked beyond reason or disregard of the law by a federal government out of control, is much of a secret.

carnot| 1.10.11 @ 8:49PM

yea...there wasn't any superheated rhetoric from the Left in the lead up to the 2008 election....or movies from Left-wing Hollywood fantasizing about the assassination of a former President....yup....you nailed that one! it's all conservatives!

GavInTucson| 1.11.11 @ 1:37AM

That's funny, E. R. To the best of my knowledge, those "crazed" right-wingers haven't even left so much as a spot of litter on the Capitol Mall when they left, yet they're going to be crazed into assassinating elected officials???

Someone needs to cut back on the sugar in your Kool-Aid, or increase your insulin dosage.

It's funny that internet posters and left-wing hacks can write books and produce movies depicting the assassination of a sitting President (Bush), defending their efforts as "artistic" yet people articulating the return of the Federal Government to limited Constitutional principles are labeled as hate-mongers, racists, and enemies of that state. It's simply amazing.

Kishego| 1.11.11 @ 3:41PM

Would that include the likes of Alec Baldwin when he stood up and called for the stoning death of Sen. Orin Hatch ? Or the movie made about killing G.W. Bush ? A sitting President of the USA.

BG| 1.10.11 @ 1:50PM

Thank you Mr. Lord for listing the history of the Left as you have done... this is a good rejoiner to Booger's great sarcastic letter.

As conservatives, we should memorize the Jeffrey Lord's list by category. This should be first things out of each of our representatives mouths, taking every opportunity to slam the Left with the facts of their own history. This shameful history should be a preamble to anything and everything that is spoken about ON and OFF the record in Congress. It should eventually penetrate the Left that their "gig" is up, and we know what they are all about!

For years, the facts as deliberated by Lord et al, including Beck and Levin, have been tossed aside and forgotten. No longer. It's their history... let's make them responsible for it. For instance: Racism = Leftist Progressive strategies. Let's not be embarrassed for them, nor responsible for their idiocies of the past. They've LARGELY committed these reprehensible acts all on their own. Let's not be their apologists. Fire back at them everywhere that this is their sorted history with VIOLENCE, and none others! Do I hear an AMEN?

Andrea Tyson| 1.10.11 @ 2:11PM

Whadda you say after you've said, "He's gay!" readers? Do you excoriate him? There's plenty of reasons to hate him.

Read on:

The intern who helped save Giffords' life, Daniel Hernandez, is Hispanic and gay.

This means he could be stopped anytime in Arizona and asked to produce proof of citizenship. And, until a few weeks ago, he would have been barred from military service. Hernandez was involved in gay issues and counted the congresswoman as an ally.

Comments please--the more hateful, the better. Let it rip:

JLKrueger| 1.10.11 @ 2:47PM

"The intern who helped save Giffords' life, Daniel Hernandez, is Hispanic and gay."

Actually, by putting pressure on the wound, he could have made matters worse. You don't put pressure on a gunshot wound to the head, unless it's a superficial wound. But unless one has training and experience it's natural to assume that "direct pressure" is the proper response.

"This means he could be stopped anytime in Arizona and asked to produce proof of citizenship."

Are you people never bothered by your outright lies and ignorance? SB 1070 only allowed the questioning about citizenship in cases where the individual was detained as a suspect as the result of a crime, not random stops.

"And, until a few weeks ago, he would have been barred from military service."

Yeah, by a law put in place by a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress, but we won't let that inconvenient fact get in our way, will we.

What was the point of your comment anyway? I rather doubt any of the "evil right-wingers" here would comment negatively about the ethnicity or sexual orientation of an individual trying to do the right thing in a difficult situation.

How about you lefties quit projecting your own hate on the rest of us.

Andrea Tyson| 1.10.11 @ 5:36PM

JLKrueger says,

"I rather doubt any of the "evil right-wingers" here would comment negatively about the ethnicity or sexual orientation of an individual trying to do the right thing in a difficult situation."

If AmSpec's readers did not write their hateful thoughts on this thread, they would most certainly think them. I've read this blog long enough to see clearly the seething bigotry in your hearts.

"Evil right wingers"?

That's what many of you are who comment regularly on this page. Certainly not all of you, but most, I'd say.

Sid Vicious| 1.10.11 @ 3:25PM

Yawn. Sometimes, Ms. Tyson, a hero is just a hero – and Regressives are the only people who concern themselves with said hero's status.

missbosslady| 1.10.11 @ 6:01PM

Andrea,

You sad little clown. Why does it matter to you that Mr. Hernandez is gay? What does it have to do with his actions in rushing to his bosses aid?

Did you previously beleive that gays are not capable of such acts of humanity?

I find it very curious that you are the ONLY one here that felt it necessary to insert Mr. Hernandez's sex lfe into this story.

You really are quite pathetic.

Andrea Tyson| 1.10.11 @ 7:09PM

missbosslady,

The angry vitriol--raw hatred--against gays on this site is a standard feature.

I was sarcastic in my post. I have never understood the extreme homophobia on AmSpec; it puzzles me.

Cpm| 1.10.11 @ 8:18PM

And yet you are the only person here making an issue of his sexual identity. Bigot. Sexist hater.

Cpm| 1.10.11 @ 8:37PM

And you singled him out as hispanic, which makes you a racist too.

GavInTucson| 1.11.11 @ 1:50AM

Well, Andrea, to underestimate certain facts, you certainly have proven yourself to be puzzled. Please post links to all of this anti-gay rhetoric on this site. As an AmSpec reader for about two years, I must have missed out on all of the fun.

Clearly you're a harbinger to a secret vault within AmSpec.org to which I'm not privy.

Post the links, please. Outside of a couple of random posters, I dare you to produce anything on AmSpec.org that could be credited as homophobia by those that write the articles here.

carnot| 1.10.11 @ 8:53PM

you sure are noble! I bet you show up and protest at funerals of Arizonans murdered by illegal immigrants...cuz...you're just a special, really, really, fair minded person!

example. counter-example.

knucklehead.

Kishego| 1.11.11 @ 3:46PM

I had no idea he was gay until you brought it up. Do you know why? Because it DOESN'T MATTER !!!!! And by the way. He most definately was allowed to serve in the military. Gays have been serving for a long time. Sexuality should be kept private. That's what DADT was all about.

Nancy in NC| 1.10.11 @ 2:33PM

All of this points to the real difference between the right and the left.

As a conservative, I believe that I (alone) am responsible for my actions. To blame or justify those actions is an act of cowardice.

The left always wants to blame something or someone else for their behavior. (The Devil made me do it.)

This killer is a sicko...period...end of story. To blame the right or anyone else for his horrible behavior is sick as well.

carnot| 1.10.11 @ 8:54PM

excellent observation.

GavInTucson| 1.11.11 @ 1:55AM

Remember, Nancy, liberals are all about root causes, not about individual behavior. And, these days, all root causes for all behavior seem to be somehow linked to Sarah Palin.

In fact, I'm sure that there's a nutter out there somewhere trying to link Sarah Palin to the monetary panic of 1895.

NavyBrat | 1.10.11 @ 6:32PM

I just wanted to let you know that, as usual, I've taken the liberty of sharing your AWESOME letter on Townhall.com. Keep 'em coming Brother!

lipa| 1.11.11 @ 12:53AM

wow, thanx to booger! amazing article.

Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 1.10.11 @ 6:28AM

This incident points out that we are indeed in a civil war and all is fair in love and war.

The state run media who is under the control of many corrupt influences couldn't wait to pin the tail on the donkey in this situation, and the donkeys turned out to be The Tea Party, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh in varying degrees and varying order.

Although many terrorists sit in Guantanamo Bay without any indictments or judicial process, and Black Panthers who threatened white citizens with wooden bats didn't even get a traffic ticket, the federal Justice Department didn't even take 24 hours to get Jared Loughner indicated.

The state run media has had quite a field day parading members of the U.S. Congress and other garden variety politicians in front of cameras claiming that political rhetoric has grown too heated and that's what caused this situation.

In fact, it's already been determined that the shooter was mentally unstable. His friends tweeted that he engaged in left wing politics although there is no solid evidence that he had any politics except for “dream living” in an alternate universe which would tend to indicate that he was simply unstable.

On March 10, 2010 a story erupted about Tea Party demonstrators outside the Capitol on the House side who allegedly spit on Congressman and used the N word on black members of Congress. The Washington Post ran with a huge article written by Paul Kane. It featured comments by several members which later appeared to be totally false but the story ran and was never retracted. One of those members was Congressman Clyburn.

Congressman Clyburn was featured several times over the weekend on Fox News condemning heated political rhetoric and alluding several times to the Tea Party although he did not mention them by name in the interview I saw. Talk about hypocrisy. And it was hypocrisy by Fox News who played to the tragedy and not the facts about political rhetoric in this country.

That means it's time for history lesson.

In August of 2009 Nancy Pelosi made the following statement: “I think they are Astroturf -- you be the judge -- of carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town hall meeting on health care.”

In fact, the statement was completely false but the state run media ran with it and never pointed out she is a complete and utter liar.

Here's a comment from Obama in 2001 where he compares the American Judicial System to Nazism:

PRESIDENT OBAMA: “Just to take a sort of realist perspective is that there's a lot of change goin' on outside of the court that, you know, the -- the judges have to essentially take judicial notice of. I mean, you've got World War II, you've got, uh, the doctrines of Nazism that -- that we are fighting against that start looking uncomfortably similar to what's going on back here at home.”

From Harry Reid stating we lost the war in Iraq to Senator Durbin making this comment: : “If I read this to you and didn't tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis; Soviets in their gulags; or some mad regime, Pol Pot or others; that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that's not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of our -- their own prisoners.”

What we've had for almost a decade are cynical and untruthful comments from many Democrats and the state run media never followed them up or even looked into them to determine their validity. These Democrats were the promoters of big government, but oddly enough several referred to the process as Nazi like, or in Pelosi's case referred to the citizens as Nazis.

By the way, here's an article that appeared in the Daily Kos, a liberal rage machine, just two days before the shooting appeared to call for death with the headline: My Congresswoman voted against Nancy Pelosi. And She is Dead to Me.

You'll wont' see that in the state run media.

http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08.....pt-on-her/

canuckistani| 1.10.11 @ 8:49AM

I find it fascinating that writers here need to blather on about an apparent left wing conspiracy to paint righties as nutso. Your writings alone confirm it to be true - time and time again.
We have a congresswoman shot in the head, a federal judge dead and a nine year-old dead with a 22 year-old young man in jail after planning and carrying out a crime with a gun and a 31-shot clip obtained legally (in Arizona terms).
These are the facts that should be analyzed.
The sheriff of Pima lives there and has to experience real life in that area everyday. Quoting another judge that has zero experience with life on the ground in that county is as disingenuous as the pundocrats applying blame to Palin or even "head shots" Liddy. The voters will decide what happens next. Will Palin "reload" or find another verb to describe her vacuous campaign and her supporters? Don't know, don't care.
This was a duly elected politician meeting constituents in front of a grocery store. The shooter has terrorized us all - now we have to decide what remedies to take to ensure a congresswoman can continue to meet her constituents in free and peaceful assembly in future.

SonOfSam| 1.10.11 @ 9:22AM

OK canukidunce, let me see if I have this straight: some nutcase who lists the Communist Manifesto as one of his all time favorite books and has an occult shrine in his backyard with skulls and rotten oranges, THIS guy shoots a member of Congress, and therefore that "proves" that its

ALL PALINS FAULT

??????

No wait, it's the "extreme" tenor and tactics of those of us who want OUR government to stop spending money that doesn't exist yet, and to keep illegal aliens from treating our border as a joke. Is that it, Canuckidoof?

No wait, I know now: its all of us hate filled "racist" people who didn't want ObamaCare because the President is black... is that it?? (Never mind we didn't want it when Clinton proposed it either!!!)

Seriously, CanuckiFool, have another hit off the bong, and go lay down and sleep it off. I'm sure your meds will be available forthwith

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 1.10.11 @ 9:23AM

Hey... Dummy.. If you read the article, you will see that he isn't pointing the finger at the left for these killings (which in theory you could, since he appears to be a rambling communist). Jeffrey is simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the left by giving us an exhaustive history of how the left uses violence to accomplish their goals. Meanwhile, when something like this happens, the left always points the finger at the right in a knee-jerk fashion without examining the facts involved. Imagine that, the people that tell us to not "judge a book by its cover" and other sweet nothings, are the ones who don't LIVE BY IT!

The side of this political game that truely approaches thought with an open-mind is the conservative side. Always has been, always will be. The real history, not the filtered version (sometimes flat out false version) you get in high school, proves us out EVERYTIME. We are the people of Liberty. We are the decendants of the founders, they are the descendants of King George and the English Sympathizers.

DON'T TREAD ON ME!!!

Deborah D | 1.10.11 @ 11:29AM

If anyone is interested in how the left uses violence, go check out this amazing documentary called "The Soviet Story" put together by European historians etc. Go here then scroll down. You will get an education. Pay attention, lefties, these are your ancestors in thought. http://frontpagemag.com/2010/1.....iet-story/

Stan redmond| 1.10.11 @ 2:38PM

Don't bother argueing firearm politics with someone who uses "clip" when they have no idea what a "clip" is.

missbosslady| 1.10.11 @ 6:05PM

canuck,

What a maroon! Following your own idiotic logic posted above; why then should we Americans care what some loser Canadian thinks about things "on the ground" here.

What a dolt!

Anthony| 1.10.11 @ 9:22AM

You are so right Bill, the left has been secretly hoping for a situation like this to occur, as they see their power eroding, and the D hacks in Congress ( dare I say it for fear of being monitored?) and the MSM IMMEDIATELY went into action this past weekend.
Of course Sarah Palin was the first target of the left, and now we have a D Congressman introducing legislation to make it a federal crime to engage in "inflammatory" speech. D Congressmen are hitting the airwaves daily to denounce the terrible state of America; of course their actions and disregard for the will of the American people are never the subject of cause and effect, only Sarah Palin.
Clearly the Ds were not paying attention when the Constitution was being read on the floor of the House last week. No suprise there.
To paraphrase Rham Immanuel, an opportunity is too valuable to waste, and the Ds and their whores in the MSM are running with this for all it's worth and more.
You have to hand it to the Ds, they are ready, willing, and able to jump on an opportunity when it arises.
As I said in another post, we knew these next 2 years were going to be tough, we just didn't know it would come this quickly. It's going to really get dicy now!!!

Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 1.10.11 @ 6:28AM

This incident points out that we are indeed in a civil war and all is fair in love and war.

That means it's time for history lesson.

In August of 2009 Nancy Pelosi made the following statement: “I think they are Astroturf -- you be the judge -- of carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town hall meeting on health care.”

In fact, the statement was completely false but the state run media ran with it and never pointed out she is a complete and utter liar.

Here's a comment from Obama in 2001 where he compares the American Judicial System to Nazism:

You'll wont' see that in the state run media.

http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08.....pt-on-her/

jd| 1.10.11 @ 6:32AM

As soon as the tragic shootings were reported I told my husband just to watch and see how the media will blame conservatives and Tea Partiers. As soon as that clown of a Sheriff started talking I was furious at him. I am so sick and tired of the left trying to score cheap political shots, especially at a time of mourning. This supposedly unbiased officer was shooting off the mouth before any facts were even discerned. What is so ironic is that the lone, crazed shooter -- a pot smoking, American flag burning, hater of the Constitution, Bush hater, and Communist Manifesto admirer, certainly does not fit the mold of any Tea Partier I know. As we pray for the recovery of Congresswoman Giffords, let us not forget the death of a truly great, conservative American Jurist. Eternal Rest, Judge Roll , and I thank you for your dedication and service.

gypsy| 1.10.11 @ 9:25AM

funny how we weren't supposed to leap to any "hasty conclusions" when that scumbag shot up Fort Hood, shouting Allah ho Akbar!!!!..... nope, nothing to see here, this man is a lone nut, he's not part of the Islamic terrorist assault on America. Yet the same damned people who said that are now INSTANTLY leaping to the conclusion that this nutcase "must" have been inspired by the Tea Party, et al.

What a pack of hypocritical assholes

Grzmlyk| 1.10.11 @ 10:12AM

GREAT point, gypsy.

I'm shocked, frankly, that the Daily Kos/Huffington Post's marching orders to send their lapdogs over here to spread their usual vitriolic bile apparently haven't been issued yet.

I'd have thought they'd have flooded the zone with leftist propaganda and other sewage by now.

The left jumps with glee whenever something like this happens because for them, "the personal is the political" - even a deranged, leftist whack job shooting up a gathering like this can be twisted into a false narrative that would make Alinsky and Cloward and Piven proud.

I'm sure Krugman and the rest of the frothing leftist bloggers were breathless with anticipation when news of the shooting first came in - and then they all enjoyed a collective orgasm when they learned that the shooter was an angry white male.

It doesn't get any better than that when it comes to Leftist pornography. Nothing turns these congenital felons on more than the sight of blood.

And, as predictable as the sunrise, their pundit class immediately blames the Tea Party, Sarah Palin and the "hate" they pretend conservatives have injected into the national discourse (a replay of the whole Timothy McVeigh lie).

And, of course, they immediately lay gun-ban legislation on us while the victims are still lying where they're shot.

Yes, whenever there is violence in America, the left celebrates.

Would that there were MORE guns at that Safeway, not fewer. The gunman wouldn't have gotten off so many rounds, and instead of our hand-wringing, dishonest legal apparatus dropping this piece of crap into the circus of our "justice" system for the next 60 years - all at taxpayer expense - he'd be in a morgue today, where he belongs.

Meanwhile, ever since the Watts riots in 1965, every violent revolution, riot, demonstration, flash mob and protest has been fomented and/or endorsed by THE LEFT.

It is the LEFT that loved Stalin, killer of 20 million of his own countrymen. It is the LEFT who love Castro, who killed thousands. It is the LEFT who lionize Che Guevara, mass-murdering maniac. It is the LEFT who supported the Khmer Rouge. It is the LEFT who urge us to emulate Mao. It is the LEFT who embraced Ortega. It is the LEFT who buddy up to Chavez. It is the LEFT who insisted on preserving Saddam Hussein's barbaric regime. It is the LEFT who gave Tito his power. It is the LEFT who adored Mussolini. It is the LEFT who embraced Hitler's brand of socialism. It is the LEFT who propped up Kim Il Sung.

And in Obama's America today, it is the LEFT who advocate mass purgings of all undesirables - unwanted babies, the old, the infirm and people like US, who just won't go along with the program.

It is the LEFT who think gang violence among blacks and drug violence at the border are small prices to pay in pursuit of their utopian visions.

And as gypsy pointed out, it is the LEFT who make darling noble savages out of Jihadists like Nidal Hasan, the Fort Hood shooter, and all of Islam, which has enshrined in its most revered documents a perptetual state of murder and subjugation. Which is EXACTLY what the left wants.

It is the LEFT who want American soldiers to die.

Leftism a nihilistic cult of death. Their self serving lies, delusions and corruption have given us our 21st century landscape of devastation, want, regression, mayhem, enslavement and misery.

It was ONLY American exceptionalism that kept the wolf of leftist madness at bay. Now, sadly, they've broken down the door and are maurauding throughout our institutions.

The second amendment is about to be validated yet again, because now more than ever, a well regulated militia, is necessary to the security of a free state.

Nick| 1.10.11 @ 10:32AM

Grzmlyk,

The lefty commie trolls were here, over the weekend, on AmSpecBlog.

And got pummeled for their effort.

Grzmlyk| 1.10.11 @ 10:46AM

Hah! I should have known. I wasn't logged in over the weekend.

Yeah, like Pavlovian dogs, when the bell rings, they don't let a second pass before they try to shape events to fit their own ends.

What absolutely blows me away is how many rank-and-file liberals - those average self-absorbed, educated, vanity-intoxicated, latte-drinking professionals, acadademics and hipsters - think they are standing on moral high ground.

They never look down to realize the mountain on which they stand is composed of the corpses of those their self-satisfied world view has already "helped."

JmsA| 1.10.11 @ 9:24PM

Sheer eloquence, Grzmlyk!

allblues| 1.11.11 @ 1:08AM

A comment I saw somewhere comes to mind.
"Scratch a liberal and underneath you'll find a totalitarian who isn't quite ready to get his hands bloody."

VBMax| 1.10.11 @ 11:22AM

It is interesting that one of the common denominators of the hard leftist is his desire (or should I say obsession) for less people, be it through abortion, mass murder etc. This is because he has a hidden terror of others and the less people to worry about, the better.
He mistakenly projects his own evil intentions onto others. So, he'll try to keep others weak and ignorant because he fears that if people became stronger and brighter he, himself would be in utmost personal danger. Understanding how inherently weak (though evil) these types are is a great advantage in dealing with them.

Grzmlyk| 1.10.11 @ 11:39AM

That's a good point, VBMax.

Frankly, I often think that what lies at the heart of the left's obsession with population control is the very thing they accuse conservatives of:

Greed.

They want more of everything for themselves - and they believe they deserve it because they are the elite ubermenschen. This is always how communist regimes work; the proletariet gets nothing but an empty bill of goods and a lot of dogma about "the common good" and the ruling class suns itself on the beach eating bon bons and getting fat off of the toil of others.

How dare the hoi polloi, the great unwashed masses, expect to share in the resources of the planet!

The only reason they want any of us commoners around is to do the labor, pay the freight and allow them to prance about lording their "superiority" over us.

That's why they hate individualists and constitutionalists. We serve no purpose in their narcissistic world view.

George True| 1.10.11 @ 11:38AM

Well said, Griz. Sheer eloquence. I am saving a copy of the above.

Grzmlyk| 1.10.11 @ 11:40AM

Thank you. I appreciate that.

Nunya| 1.10.11 @ 1:28PM

EXCELLENT post Grzmlyk. Kudos.

You too, Gypsy.

Anthony| 1.10.11 @ 3:34PM

Grzmlyk, You were right about Paul Krugman. Read his editorial in the NYT. Both Krugman and the NYT have set a new low, even for them.

Trenton | 1.10.11 @ 5:58PM

Gypsy,

You know the primary difference between these two events, right? The difference that makes all the difference?

The Ft. Hood shooting was perpetrated against US military personnel, so the left says we shouldn't be hasty in judgment.

The Arizona shooting, on the other hand, was directed against a female Democrat, so it's time to lock-up all Republicans and Conservatives, regardless of the shooter's political leanings.

John Navratil| 1.10.11 @ 10:49AM

I watched the Megyn Kelly interview with the sheriff. She handled him with kid gloves but did ask if he had any evidence to suggest the shooter was motivated by "the vitriol" (No!), whether it was just his opinion (Yes!) and whether it was appropriate for him to inject his opinion (He thought a dialogue was important!)

The irony was at the end of the piece when the sheriff had conceded that he was using this as a platform, he appealed to the viewer to decide whether he was in the right.

Classic hypocrisy! This sheriff can tell other people how they should behave on the air, but his opinion must be protected.

This is a law-man used to black/white, right/wrong thinking, getting on in years, who has had a long time to sort things out in his own mind. Now he is ready to impart his wisdom upon the great unwashed as if they were his grand-children.

Clint| 1.10.11 @ 6:47AM

We Tea Party Patriots Don't Allow Agendists to "Define" Us.
We are in A Media War with The Mainstream Media which Fronts for The Liberal Agenda.

The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates.

Carpe Diem.

NVA Patriot| 1.10.11 @ 7:00AM

Let's Roll

gypsy| 1.10.11 @ 9:29AM

I say that we divide up, all of us who are saying "lets roll" on one side, all the assholes shouting "Allah Ho Akbar" on the other. Include on our side all the quiet patriots who don't join groups but believe in the unique goodness of America. Include on the other side all the P.O.S. who want to "apologize" for this country, cant call Islamic terrorism by its name, but are quick to blame all of us who think that the peoples government should live within its means, just as we the people must do

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 1.10.11 @ 9:26AM

"The problem with our well-meaning liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, its just they know so much that isn't so." --The Gipper

Bruce| 1.10.11 @ 6:55AM

Now where did I hear the phrase "never let a crisis go to waste" again? Oh yeah ... liberal Democrat. And what President was it that said "they bring a knife - we bring a gun!"? Gee, that was Obama, wasn't it? Yeah - it was.

NVA Patriot| 1.10.11 @ 6:59AM

Brilliant Article

Sure to be featured on Rush's show today and sure to be presented at many Tea Party planning meetings.

You are right; America has woken up to the game. This is the Wellstone funeral - turned Lefty pep rally all over again.

The left was so over the top this weekend that ironically they are turning Sarah Palin and others into sympathetic, underdogs.

Andrew Breitbart warned the left not to go down this route and they can't help themselves because they are addicted. We're seeing it and it's being rejected.

Meanwhile, the families of the victims have to suffer with this and will soon be turned into another object to use to attack the left’s enemies - which is anything decent in America from Christianity, to the Boy Scouts, to our Constitution, to our Business owners, to our very selves.

This time we have folks who represent decency with big megaphones and the leftists don't own the news cycle anymore and for that we can genuinely thank God.

JP| 1.10.11 @ 7:15AM

Are we to assume that since Rep Giffords is pro-closed borders and pro-guns that the assailant was pro-open borders and for gun control? Sheesh!!!. Let the families mourn and the police investigate before grandstanding.

Will| 1.10.11 @ 7:31AM

Woo-hoo, State media is back in business!, no Napolitano-thousand yard stares on this man-caused disaster, no sir! While the family and victims of the Ft. Hood massacre grow foot-long gray beards waiting for justice, news...something, anything...we've got 'round the clock coverage, in-depth reportage, public officials openly expressing opinions on the cause (without fear of losing their jobs!) Once silent politicians have suddenly been given the gift of speech! The system works!

St Thor| 1.10.11 @ 7:56AM

As a former Air Force JAG lawyer who was stationed next to Army bases and knows how the Air Force and Army military justice systems work, it is unconscionable that the Ft. Hood doctor has not been tried, convicted, and sentenced by now. The only reasonable explanation is that the Army, being riddled with command influence, has some colonel or low level general drooling for promotion who is stalling the normally speedy process for political purposes.

East Texas Rancher| 1.10.11 @ 9:11AM

Don't hold your breath waiting for the Muslim Doctor to be sentenced. If will never receive the death penalty, no matter how many he killed as the Commanded in Chief, is not about to sentence a fellow Muslim.
For those waiting for justice, it will be long wait indeed. Sadly.

Au Contraire| 1.10.11 @ 7:34AM

So why did Palin take down her crosshairs? Clearly if even she can see that there's something wrong with this type of thing, her followers ought to give it some serious thought as well.

Karl Lucifer Marx| 1.10.11 @ 7:42AM

Don't look now but your comment is "targeting" Sarah Palin.

Should the department store Target now take down their signs? The whole concept is ridiculous.

Stan REdmond| 1.10.11 @ 2:46PM

Imagine if Palin had used steak-knives a-la Rahm Emanuel...

Lawrence Cannon| 1.10.11 @ 7:46AM

Because she knows that some of you are so poorly educated that you don't know the difference between crosshairs and a Survey Point.

Dustoff| 1.10.11 @ 3:25PM

That say's it all. These dummies have no idea what a gunsight looks like.

Clint| 1.10.11 @ 7:50AM

Democrat Presidential Candidate John Kerry: “I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone.”

Ret. Marine| 1.10.11 @ 8:26AM

Hey dipstick, that was surveyors symbols, know what you are talking about before engaging your illiterate pie hole, dung doer.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 1.10.11 @ 9:29AM

If you are worried about crosshairs attached to anything but the action of a rifle, you have life messed up my friend.

Commie-Terrorist sighting in AZ this weekend, just sayin'.

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.10.11 @ 10:47AM

Au contraire,
The reason Sarah took down her crosshairs, is that the elections are over...Duh!

You know folks, this "nut" in Arizona was an "equal opportunity murderer" it seems. A conservative judge. A little girl. assorted bystanders.
The only thing that truly pisses off the communists, (pardon the shorthand), is that all of the victims just don't fit in with their needs at this time.

Stan REdmond| 1.10.11 @ 2:45PM

Can you please post the date the infamous cross hair graphic was taken down? Did DailyKOS

Kishego| 1.11.11 @ 4:12PM

I think she was copying the target map the DNC used during the 2006 and 2008 elections. The only difference between the 2 were the colors of the map. Other than that, they were pretty much the same.

Lawrence Cannon| 1.10.11 @ 7:45AM

Funny, when Major Hasan runs into Ft. Hood, screaming "Alluah AKBAR!", killing 13 people, the press and politicians tell us to "not rush to judgement". Now, with a mentally deranged leftist killing a Conservative Catholic judge and five other people (including a 9 year old girl) and seriously wounding a Moderate-Conservative Bluedog Democrat, it's all Palin's fault.

The Bishop| 1.10.11 @ 8:07AM

Excellent observation, Lawrence. And now, more than a year after the Ft. Hood massacre, what justice has been meted out to the Muslim who was unquestionably the perpetrator of these murders? I would not be surprised if he were drawing disability pay from the government.

chuck| 1.10.11 @ 1:50PM

He may not being getting paid, but we surely are paying for him, his care, his lawyers,.........

martin j smith| 1.10.11 @ 8:05AM

here is an idea that was inspired by a WSJ opp ed piece today: Suppose Obama during his leading our nation In Silence ( I don't know how you lead silence meditation but whatever--) anyway after that moment he makes a statement something like this:
Fellow Americans, we must all now come together Left and Right and stop our arguing and bitterness and come together as a nation etc etc etc. Here is my view on this scenario. If he did that one theory I have is that all of this Left BS is a set up to make Obama look good. To look " Presidential". In other words to allow Obama to triangluate us and his friends. Here is what I consider to be a good response by the Tea Party et al. We welcome President Obama's call for peace in our political environment. in that regard the House of representatives will set up a commission to examine the behavior of the Media and others when things have cooled down say in 3-6 months.In the mean time lets all get along--but it does take two.

coal carrier| 1.10.11 @ 8:12AM

Great article.

Let’s not forget Van Jones, Obama’s x-Green Jobs czar.
“Get angry and rise up” speaking in front of some leftist conference. Also “Top down, bottom up & inside out” when discussing his formula for revolution.

Andy Stern SEIU also said- “We know their names, we know how they voted, we know where they live.”

The peace loving left. What an absolute joke.

Mimi| 1.10.11 @ 8:19AM

Look...What we are seeing here is the pressed down anger of the DEM'S over their rejection at the POLL'S in November....It was bound to come out on this issue or the next.
But , thiscould back-fire..take heart folks ...Our cause for LIBERTY is right and JUST. The irrational blame is only a SYMPTOM. Nothing they do will go well for them ..it is not in the CARDS.
Why this " Seriously Mentally ill young MAN" was not DIAGNOSED and on MEDICATION is the question I would ask of the GOOD SHERIFF. There must be a boat-load of paperwork on file in PIMA county....How many times were the POLICE called?
Thanks Jeffrey for your research and effort to keep us informed....as ever, so well written!

Gary| 1.10.11 @ 8:21AM

Sheriff Dupnik used his ten minutes of fame to qualify for a place in the liberal salons of the elitist DC crowd. He certainly knew a good crisis opportunity when he saw on, eh? I can imagine the high fives all around when he retuned to his office. Who the hell are these people?

NVA Patriot| 1.10.11 @ 8:57AM

Who are they - Monsters who must be removed from power at every electoral opportunity for the next 20 years

Melvin| 1.10.11 @ 8:24AM

Remember not that long ago about all the books, and one movie that I know of about the assassination of then President Bush from the Left.

CCK| 1.10.11 @ 8:45AM

Rewind: When an Obama aide used a common word referring to being ignorant, Sarah Palin demanded his immediate resignation. She was outraged. She told us the words people use matter, and the use of this specific word could hurt people. And I completely sympathized with her in this. That kind of language is ignorant and cruel.

But what about violent rhetoric? Does that not have the potential to *literally* hurt people--if it adds to the voices in a deranged man's head, for example? Sure, the crazy will always be with us, but why imitate them through gun obsession and threatening one's political opponents with violence? It's just not something that good, decent people do. Period.

And unless this stops, you will turn off a lot of people to what is otherwise an important message of limited government and individual liberty. Please, to those who push the conservative message, think about it before just retrenching and going about business as usual.

The Big E| 1.10.11 @ 10:44AM

It might benefit you to read another article on AmSpec today, the one called, "I've Got Your Inflammatory Rhetoric Right Here."

Nunya| 1.10.11 @ 1:46PM

CCK, please provide one instance of anyone (that is not a leftist) in the media fomenting violence. Just one.

You won't find one from a Conservative--including Rush, Glenn Beck, Hannity, or anyone else. However, others have provided dozens from leftists on this site.

Grzmlyk| 1.10.11 @ 2:08PM

But it's ok for "those who push the liberal message" to use violent rhetoric?

Why?

I remember when Obama said, "if they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Not only was he employing the rhetoric of violence, but he was admitting that he'd escalate the violence. I mean, how is it fair to have superior weaponry to your enemy int he first place.

I was so frightened by this hateful, violent threat from Obama that I actually fled with my family to an undisclosed safe house for several months.

Gosh, CCK, you have a selective vision. I guess those blindness is essential for a liberal to make it through the day. Because if he ever took the blindfold off and realized the destruction liberalism has wrought - and the violence it advocates, he'd wind up having to condemn himself instead of pat himself on the back as he's doing with such preening vanity here.

Grzmlyk| 1.10.11 @ 2:14PM

Oh, and CCK:

What about that movie that advocated killing George W. Bush? What about all the protesters who hung him in effigy?

What's that? Silence?

I thought so.

missbosslady| 1.10.11 @ 6:17PM

And let's not forget Obama's "hand to hand combat" message after the Dems received their "shellacking" in Novermber!

Richard Baker| 1.10.11 @ 8:48AM

If the Sheriff hates Arizona so, why doesn't he leave and go to.......California. He'd be much more comfortable there. Maybe Boxer and Feinstein would invite him for tea.

JmsA| 1.10.11 @ 9:02AM

No, Mr. Baker, we don't need another jerk in CA.

Alice Moore| 1.10.11 @ 8:51AM

My condolences to the families of the victims.

Ret. Marine| 1.10.11 @ 8:58AM

It is truly a sad state of affairs when a certain group would use such a tragedy to score political points when they should be calling for calm and prayers of these victims of the leftist sickness ( mental disorder) and their penchant for violence. It did not take long for the moderate spineless media to point, without any relation or evidence to the Tea Party Patriots, and assign at fault. We now know for sure their game is nearing it final conclusion. They OWN THIS, and they just PURCHASED it with their rhetoric, once again, over this past weekend. This is not the first time were heard from this type of BS lefty mentality, and by the way, it is not his job to give an opinion, just the facts of this case as being factual at the time.

Melvin| 1.10.11 @ 9:01AM

In other worlds the Conservatives are just supposed to shut up and let the Left beats us about the head and face with a brickbat.
The Left makes motion pictures about a assassination of a sitting President, and the Left demands that Conservatives reaming silent. Books upon books are written about the fantasizing of what it would be like of George Bush was murdered.
The Left who champions woman's rights and then turns around and calls Sarah Palin and her daughter, "Morons," But it is demanded of the Conservatives to hold their tongues because it could be, "Hate Speech."
The Left has thrown bricks and rocks through Democrats political windows during the last Presidential election to blame it on Conservatives, and the Tea Party movement. Did Conservatives or the Tea Party get an apology? Nope, just more of the same vitriol.
The poor Congresswoman's wounded body, hadn't even struck the ground when even her own father by media accounts blamed the entire Tea Party of the assault on his daughter.
I don't know about the rest of you. As a father blaming a political organization would be the last thing on my mind, if someone stuck a TV camera in my face.

Old Joe| 1.10.11 @ 10:07AM

Melvin,

Please always remember that a Democrat is a Democrat first and foremost. Family and country come after party commitments. Remember the actions of Mary Jo’s parents after Teddy left her to die. They went along with a quick removal of her body from Massachusetts and a quick internment so no autopsy could be performed. They also refused to ever say anything bad about Teddy and continued to praise him for his liberal efforts. It is a sad thing to say about fellow American parents.

MacDaddy| 1.10.11 @ 9:10AM

+1K on "Let's roll!" If it is a fight they want, it's a fight they'll get. On any terms. In a battle of wits, the left is unarmed.

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.10.11 @ 9:27AM

Folks,
I happen to remember a phrase from Abraham Lincoln shortly before his murder, regarding the South... "With malilice toward none..."

One wonders how "Reconstruction" would have proceeded under his continued presidency. Better I think, but one "nut" changed history then as well.

I think we need to very alert to the communists, (pardon the shorthand), conflating this sad affair into a political fire-storm. Personally, I can hardly wait for Rush's take on all of this.

We must stand our ground and hold our heads up here. Again, empty hands people. Empty hands.

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.10.11 @ 9:33AM

Abraham Lincoln
full paragraph quote:

""With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.""

VBMax| 1.10.11 @ 9:29AM

Boy, the left really knows how to get us riled up, don't they? In the end, this will backfire on them as all the rest of their incredibly stupid actions do.

some dope| 1.10.11 @ 9:33AM

Wonder how many complaints about the shooter this sherriff ignored?

JeffW| 1.10.11 @ 3:37PM

I was wondering the same thing. If this guy has been deeply unhinged for some time there has to be complaints made about it. Did the Sheriff's dept drop the ball on this one? Is he looking for a scapegoat to cast the blame on?

Mimi| 1.10.11 @ 10:09PM

Jeff I too think they must have a lot of history on this guy....is he one of those cases that slipped thru the cracks... and it's possible this tragedy could have been avoided?? I hope the FBI gets some answers.... With proper care and stabilized on meds both he and especially the VICTIMS may have been spared from loss of LIFE and so much pain .

Kishego| 1.11.11 @ 4:21PM

It would appear there were several complaints by many people. This Sherriff was derelict in his duty, period.

PhilTheCapitalistPig| 1.10.11 @ 9:39AM

Mr. Lord, are you on twitter?

SunDevil67| 1.10.11 @ 10:04AM

When all the outrageous naming of blame drifts off will there be time for rationale leaders to revisit the disastrous successes of the 1970s won by the misguided advocates of eliminating facilities for the mentally sick and making it virtually impossible to place anyone who has attained 18 years of age in such a facility.

Given all of the signs left by the Tucson murderer it is very clear people were afraid of him, scared about what he might do and at a loss as to what could b e done. And, because of the outrageous decisions 40 years ago, there wasn’t much they or anyone else could do.

Louis Jenkins| 1.10.11 @ 10:14AM

The left will sacrifice Gabney on the alter. When it comes to left vs right, the left will take the shattered body of the third term congressman and turn her into a martyr. The effects of this process are already in the air. Regardless, the left has already shed any responsibility for the gunner, and that only leaves those on the right bitterly clinging. Do not deceive yourselves, dear readers, the left will take any opportunity it has, and this is just the beginning.

russel| 1.10.11 @ 10:32AM

yep , I said that right after the news broke - the socialist's will spin this in to a galaxy if it will serve their agenda ( and most anything tragic does ) . Back to this , the real nutcase , sherrif . Anyone bothered to ask Sherrif Joe over in Maricopa county ? . Bet he said he'd like to wad this Pima sherrif into a pink jumpsuit .

George True| 1.10.11 @ 11:46AM

Not to be a fly in the ointment, but Joe Arpaio is hardly a paragon of virtue. he is as corrupt of a public official as we have ever had here in Arizona. It is truly unfortunate that he is considered a conservative when he engages wholesale in many of the vile practices of the left. Sorry to go off topic.

Nick| 1.10.11 @ 12:58PM

Mr. True,

I like Sheriff Joe. Could you be more specific about his alleged corruption?

George True| 1.10.11 @ 1:22PM

Nick, I would prefer not to take this forum totally off-topic, so I will keep this very brief. Many conservatives here are beginning to realize that Arpaio is not what he has advertised himself as all these years. He is currently under investigation by the justice department for longstanding corruption on the part of he and his top deputies. This investigation was begun under the Bush administration.

In addition, there are currently some 26,000 state and federal lawsuits pending against Maricopa County for abuse and neglect of prisoners in Sheriff Joe's jails. This is a staggering number of lawsuits, as it is over twice as many as the combined number of such lawsuits in the five largest jail systems in the country. This has already cost the taxpayers here over 50 million dollars in damages so far, and this is likely just the tip of the iceberg compared to what will be paid out in the years to come.

I do applaud Arpaio for trying to round up illegal aliens. He gets a lot of undeserved criticism for that. On the other hand, he has blown his annual budget several times on a series of well-publicized roundups of illegals. In the meantime, other law enforcement agencies around Arizona quietly round up many times more illegals every year, with no self-aggrandizing fanfare or publicity.

The real hero of a sheriff here in Arizona is Sheriff Paul Babeau of Pinal County. He is truly on the front line of the fight against Mexican drug runners and human smugglers. Arpaio could not hold a candle to him.

Nick| 1.10.11 @ 2:43PM

Mr. True,

Thank you for responding.

Allegations and investigations are not proof of corruption, though. I was familiar with these. Lawsuits should be expected against someone who is treating prisoners like they should be treated. This is anathema to liberal judges and trial lawyers.

I reallize that he is a self-promoter, but, unless you have anything concrete, I will continue to applaud his tactics. I wish my sheriff would set up a tent city. It's 27 degrees in Detroit today!

George True| 1.10.11 @ 3:35PM

They are far more than mere allegations, Nick. There has been an extensively documented, long standing pattern of abuse in the jails here. The pattern here on the part of MCSO is so persistent and pervasive, compared to literally everywhere else in the country, that it can only be as a result of an unwritten top-down policy.

As far as "treating prisoners like they should be treated" is concerned, I doubt very much if you would feel the same way if a loved one or family member of yours was crippled for life or had their health destroyed while being held in jail on a charge that they were eventually acquitted of. Where does that person go to get their health back? Such things are not supposed to happen in a constitutional republic.

As far as tent city is concerned, it's okay maybe for young and healthy inmates. But not for people with documented health issues such as congestive heart failure, COPD, diabetes, and a host of other health problems. When you add the stress of being in 115 degree heat to such problems, it is a foregone conclusion that many of those people will end up being hospitalized as a result, as has been the case here. As a conservative, I find such things reprehensible, whether committed by a communist regime in another part of the world, or by a sheriff here in America.

As far as the corruption allegations, the good sheriff got caught red-handed diverting money from a fund set up by the (Republican) legislature that, by law, had to be used for prisoner health programs and improvement in jail conditions. Arpaio used for everything but that, including expensive junkets for he and his staff to exotic locales. There are many other financial scandals within MCSO too numerous to list here.

Go right on believing what you want to. I for one, consider Arpaio to be a disgrace to my Republican party and to all true conservatives, of which I am one. I realize I am off the conservative reservation on this issue. I myself was fooled by Arpaio for many years, having voted for him three times. He is a skilled self-promoter, and a true political animal. But the reality is something far different than what his publicity machine puts out.

Again, I apologize to everyone for taking things so far off topic.

Nick| 1.10.11 @ 4:02PM

Mr. True,

Thanks, again, for responding.

If he went on junkets, then I'm with you. I can't stand it when politicians, Republican or democrat, use taxpayer money to go on vacation. I didn't like it when Tom Delay did it.

If he is corrupt, I hope he charged and convicted.

I still like his tactics. I have little sympathy for criminals, who are convicted, not getting health care that many law abidding citizens do not get. If they wanted top notch health services, they shouldn't have committed a crime.

George True| 1.10.11 @ 4:22PM

From my work in prison ministries, I can assure that, contrary to what most people think, any meaningful health care in prison or county jail is virtually non-existent. As a result, any existing health problems will almost certainly deteriorate further while a convicted person is in prison. Some will die as a result. I am all for a person serving their time for a crime, but having their health destroyed is not supposed to be part of the deal.

I am glad we can discuss issues such as these and, if necessary, agree to disagree. That is part of what makes us conservatives.

Nick| 1.10.11 @ 4:27PM

Very true, Mr. True.
(Sorry, I couldn't resist. Ha-ha!)

George True| 1.10.11 @ 6:05PM

:-)

missbosslady| 1.10.11 @ 6:23PM

George,

You are a broken record! I've been coming to this site long enough to know that you've been beating the Sheriff Joe thing for quite some time.

It was a stretch to insert him here.

George True| 1.10.11 @ 8:30PM

I admitted from the outset that it was off-topic. In retrospect, I probably should not have brought it up. I really did not want to continue it. But once Nick responded with his question, I felt that I had to honor it with a response.

I believe it has been at least a year if not longer since I last brought it up. I don't intend to again unless it is directly relevant to the article.

missbosslady| 1.10.11 @ 9:22PM

Thank you George!

Nick| 1.10.11 @ 10:27AM

If our legal system worked like it did in the past, Jared Loughner would be tried, convicted, and executed in under a month.

Come on all you bleeding heart liberals, lets see you call for the execution of this murderous scumbag.

Drew| 1.10.11 @ 1:19PM

I'm going to call for exactly what is going to happen: That this suspect be indicted, tried, and if convicted - to face the legally mandated punishment for his crimes, up to and including execution.

I'd also hope that the suspect receives competent legal representation. Not, necessarily, to protect HIS rights. But to protect those of the rest of us.

It is easy, in a situation like this, to demand hasty or prejudicial justice. That someone accused of a crime be executed or otherwise punished without benefit of trial or representation. But such cases are the exception. Many criminal cases are far less so clear cut, and our best protection against Government tyranny is a legal system in which even the most disreptuable defendants is afforded a competent legal defence.

Executed within a month? Given the complexities of criminal investigations, judicial discovery procedures, trials, and appeals - I'd say that was pretty much impossible. And expecting , if not demanding it, was an invitation to tyranny. Please try and understand this.

Nick| 1.10.11 @ 2:34PM

I rest my case, folks. The liberal mind at work.

Is English your second language, Drew? Try reading my post again, slowly. You can move your lips, if you'd like.

What is it about "tried" and "convicted" you don't seem to understand? Or, the operative "If our legal system worked like it was supposed to [...].?"

There are multiple witnesses, and probably some of it caught on tape. He did it. He intended to do it. What his motivation was matters not.

Try him. Convict him. Execute him. Period.

Grzmlyk| 1.10.11 @ 3:23PM

God forbid we subscribe to the old axiom, "justice delayed is justice denied."

God forbid we refuse to let this clown preen on a national stage for the next three years while the "investigation" and trial are stretched out for maximum liberal effect and the collective media and good liberals like Drew wring their hands and point accusing fingers at the very principles this country was founded on.

God forbid that he be found guilty - no, it'll be someone else's fault.

What do you bet Dick Cheney will be implicated?

But if this little piece of shit WERE found guilty - if by chance we found 12 sane jurors (unlikely in 21st century America), and they actually imposed the death penalty, of COURSE Drew would insist that he be given his interminable appeals.

And I'm sure that Drew would insist that, after all his appeals finally run out in the year 2239, and if Arizona still exists, and if it still has the death penalty, and if this worthless scumbag's sentence hasn't been commuted or he hasn't been pardoned, THEN, justice should prevail and the execution should go forward.

Swiftly, of course.

Nick| 1.10.11 @ 4:20PM

Grzmlyk,

Well stated.

Consider this:

-On the morning of September 6th, 1901, President William McKinley was shot by Leon Czolgosz.
-The president died on September 14th, 1901.
-Czolgosz's trial began on September 23rd, 1901.
-He was convicted and sentenced to death on September 26th, 1901.
-Czolgosz died in the electric chair on October 29th, 1901.

None of Czolgosz's civil rights were violated. Unlike President McKinley.

cuban pete| 1.10.11 @ 4:25PM

During the Depression Guiseppe (sp?) Zangara,"The Unhired Assasin" , who allegedly tried to kill FDR but shot Chicago mayor Anton Cermak instead, was tried, convicted and executed approximately one month after the crime.
PS
Grzmlyk you remain my idol.

Grzmlyk| 1.10.11 @ 5:04PM

Many thanks, Cuban Pete!

Jung Brill| 1.10.11 @ 10:47AM

My two sense. There are loonies,evil and professional assasains. Often" it's hard to differentiate. Son of Sam who was inspited by his neighbor's labrador retriever was a lunatic. Mark David Chapman who killed John Lennon was evil. Major Hassan was a professed Moslem hence a professional. Mr. Loughner is obviously a paranoid schizophrenic who would move from one fixation to another. (I dare say a Cat Scan would show the characteristic brain malformations of a schizo.
Aside from divertiing Lithium from batteries to anti-psychotics I have no answer on how to deal with Loonies. The evil and the professional are often helped by an injection of 125 grains of lead at 850 feet/min into the medulla oblongota.

bronxville| 1.10.11 @ 10:57AM

Excellent article. Thank you.

May the good judge RIP. I'll be lighting a candle for him all week.

Mills| 1.10.11 @ 11:52AM

Looks more like a radical, left-wing liberal assassination attempt on a moderate, centrist liberal with each passing minute!

Pelossi got rid of most of them in the last election. Now, it looks like the progressives are mobilizing their nuts to finish the job! As history has proved, this is a good way to get this kind of job done without fingering yourself!

davelnaf| 1.10.11 @ 11:57AM

Good article. The last ten years have indeed been a real philosophical eye-opener for many Americans; after all, even as late as ten years ago a majority of us were still wondering if Nazis and Communists deserved to be grouped on the same end of the political spectrum. Throughout most of the twentieth century a helpful lefty media told us, in one way or another, that these totalitarians did not deserve to be flocked together even though they were obviously birds of a feather. They told us ad nauseam America was the one that deserved to be thrown in with the Nazis for committing the serial crime of opposing communist slave-labor collectives and for being a stubbornly religious and center-right country, not to mention providing for the general welfare a lot better than the commies.

Then, a not so funny thing happened: radical Islam reared its ugly head and started clearing up all the labeling confusion. After their rampage shifted into high gear Americans couldn’t help but notice that these radicals didn’t seem to have a drop of blood in their eyes for the totalitarian infidels of this planet, just for its evil democracies, buckets of it. Something was really wrong with this picture.

Historians will probably mark the first decade of the twenty-first century as a time when the light went on for most Americans and when the light started going out on the Left.

plainspeak| 1.10.11 @ 12:17PM

I was disappointed that your plain talk degenerated into a posturing. The Democrat Party of the 19th century certainly was the party of pro-slavery, etc. And the Klan certainly served that party's interest. But it is a disservice to your readers to style them as "leftist" or "liberal". Hitler was also not a "leftist" or "liberal".

Strains of left and right politics exist within all the political parties. But it discredits the cause of conservatism and does the right no favor to attempt to lump all these violent acts into a "left" spectrum.

Were we to take your logic as gospel truth, Obama and John Wilkes Booth are both Democrats and leftists and would today be political allies.

While the Democrat party did change tactics for political survival after Emancipation and the Union winning, and socialism became the chosen pathway they have pursued - this does not mean that socialism is a leftist ideology. Hitler was a National Socialist. Mao, a leftist was fighting against Hitler because the Japanese were allied with Hitler.

Spanish civil war: the right won. Was the Spanish right-wing victor allied with Hitler? Yes indeed, check your history.

Left-wing violence exists. So does spin from both sides to pin the blame or fashion a negative public perception of the other.

I acknowledge that the mainstream media is acting quickly to herd the masses into a mentality that will bring about some kind of passing of certain kinds of legislation that is most likely NOT in the best interests of American freedom and ideals. But this piece does not effectively combat that effort, because it uses the same tactics.

If you're going to talk plain, please do. It would be a breath of fresh air. I'd love to hear someone nailing down the definition of a liberal and conservative. Peppered throughout each ideology, as they exist today, are schools of thought which do not jive with freedom.

It's time for them both to be unmasked. For people to understand that the "left" and "right" are two ends of the same old stick. Otherwise we'll all keep getting beat over the head with it and not be able to dodge it.

Throw out the liberal and conservative posturing...it's a meandering, criss-crossing, circular-thinking logic trap.

That judge won't be missed by Obama. He now gets to replace him, in the very district where Globalism and the U.N. was born.

But let's not waste anymore brain cells on this "leftist" versus "rightist" nonsense. I'll come back and hope to see some real plain talk happening. Don't be a Pied Piper leading folks off a cliff. Let's stop falling for both sides of the aisle's fog-inducing jibber jabber.

Anti-global protests, violent ones, are also one of the favorite forums of the "left/liberal". And yet, it is the "conservative/right" who parade the mantel of Nationalist Pride and Constitutional adherence. Anyone see what I'm getting at here? How can the conservatives be globalist and nationalist at the same time in ideology? How can the liberals be "anti-globalist" yet pro-illegal immigrant amnesty at the same time?

Plain Talk = They are two ends of the same stick.

Get off the bandwagon, people. This right ride is taking you to the same destination as the left train. They are side by side, heading in the exact same direction, pointing at each other and slinging eggs and mud, as though that were going to change anything.

George True| 1.10.11 @ 12:59PM

With all due respect, Hitler and his Nazi party were National Socialists. Hitler hated Communists because their international socialist movement was a potentially grave threat to Hitler's power. But make no mistake, both movements, along with Fascism are and always have been statist and totalitarian in nature - in other words, leftist.

Conservatism embodies the principles of individual liberty, freedom, and rights as opposed to usurpation of such individual liberties by the state. As such, all forms of leftism, including "soft" socialism, are on the opposite end of the spectrum from true conservatism.

Grzmlyk| 1.10.11 @ 4:05PM

Bingo.

Here's a good rule of thumb so liberals won't become confused:

If somebody believes that Big Government is best architecture for a society - whatever guise it takes - that person is a LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE and resides on the left.

If somebody believes that individual liberty and small government is the best architecture for a society, that person is a conservative/Tea Party denizen, and resides on the right.

Big government = Left (socialism/Fascism/Communism/Marxism);
Little government = Right
(Individual liberty, states' rights, freedom).

I find it helps liberals for the first few weeks if they write "Big government" on their left hand, and "Little government" on their right hand.

Now all they need is someone to tell them which hand is which.

George S| 1.10.11 @ 2:36PM

You are wandering aimlessly, hoping to hit a point that can be used to blame those who cherish freedom with acts of violence, thereby establishing a moral equivalence with those who use violence to promote statism and collectivism.

I will give you one -- a substantive one. The Declaration of Independence, our country's birth certificate, was based on violence being justified in the eyes of God to break free from tyranny to enable us to pursue our inalienable right to pursue our happiness in freedom. Violence to break chains may not be different in effect than violence to forge chains, but which direction do you think Democrats want to take us on that train?

Bottom line, and the subject of this article: violence is a trademark of those who cannot get what they want at the ballot box. Whether it's the clan or any of the presidential assassins, their actions are a strike against their inability to alter the political landscape with their words and writings. Those are two powerful tools that tilt elections, which is why the Left wants to silence the "bitterly divisive" or "partisan rhetoric". Because it works, and works (almost always) against their philosophy of control.

Brian B| 1.10.11 @ 12:23PM

--"On the other hand, this disgusting little commie"

Golly, I though commies wanted to kill Republicans, not Dems.
BTW, Giffords is Dem, you might have heard.--

So when middle of the road Dems get shot they're liberal victims of atheistic, 9/11 truther, right wingers, but when left wing Dems put on hoods and lynch blacks they're really right wing Republicans.
You seem to be living in a world about as rational as Mr. Laughner's.

Drew| 1.10.11 @ 12:23PM

"He should be strung up."

And they say conservatives are too stupid to understand irony. (A Federal magistrate apparently calling for the extrajudicial murder of a State law enforcement officer with whom he disagrees on the subject of inflammatory public rhetoric.)

You cannot but read some of the conservative columns and opinion on this tragedy and not help but detect the distinct whiff of a guilty conscience. The same lingering self-doubt that led Sarah Palin's webmaster to take down the "surveyors symbols" she'd plastered over a map of Democratic Representatives in "vulnerable" districts.

And this piece of nonsense is full of the same "whistling in the graveyard" denial and obfuscation. The Klu Klux Klan was a liberal organization? Right. Keep going with that.

The Big E| 1.10.11 @ 1:26PM

If you bother to learn the history of the KKK, you will learn that it was founded by Democrats to maintain control over blacks, and that it promoted and effectively elected innumerable Democrats who who voted for the full range of FDR's socialist agenda, and later, Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society." (Which did more to keep blacks from achieving their full potential in our society than anything the Klan ever did directly).

The last of these Democrats in office (to my knowledge - there may be another left of which I am unaware) recently died - Robert Byrd of West Virginia. Senator Byrd held a fairly high rank in the Klan, and according to Democrat apologists for him, he only became a member in order to get elected. Maybe so, but even that claim is true, it only reinforces the fact that the KKK was a leftist organization - he had to join to get elected AS A DEMOCRAT.

The Klan today, while still extant, is now the providence of nut cases and extremists. But throughout much of its history, it was a real political force - and when it was a real political force - it was a force exclusively for Democrats.

Leftists are bad to project - they accuse their opponents of the sins of which they, themselves are guilty. The KKK is a classic example. Deal with it.

Grzmlyk| 1.10.11 @ 4:25PM

Game, set and match to The Big E.

You smoked the liberal.

Now he went home to tell his mommy that the big kids are picking on him by throwing the TRUTH in his face.

When you're a liberal, that's just not fair.

Drew| 1.10.11 @ 6:33PM

Do you really think this is an example of of logical reasoning?

The qwestion isn't the self-described political identity of a domestic terrorist group of a hundred or more years ago. The question is about the (needless) imflammatory rhetoric employed by (mostly) right-wing politicians and pundits TODAY. And the sometimes tragic consequences that rhetoric results in.

Let me be abolsutely clear on this: "Conservatives" these days need to stand up and START TAKING RESPINSIBILITY for what they do. That doesn't mean Sarah Palin is "to blame" for the Atrizona tragedy. But it does mean she, and the rest of the right-wing hate machine, ought to take a few moments to consider the fact that, maybe, just MAYBE, some of their over-the-top comments and pronouncement might have unintended consequences.

The attempts by writers and pundits (like Mr Lord) to try and blame "liberals" for things like the KKK are the mark of cowards or morons. And if you think The Big E "won" the argument then you sir, are - at best -one of the latter.

Nick| 1.10.11 @ 6:54PM

We have already considered it, Drew, and we reject it. We are NOT going to stop. Ever.

John II| 1.10.11 @ 7:00PM

Thank you, from up here over the top, for your reasoned and loving response to us hateful and hating hatemongers.

It might be a tad more effective, though, if you'd bone up on your spelling.

Cpm| 1.10.11 @ 9:04PM

"...she, and the rest of the right wing hate machine..". Don't you realize how incredibly stupid that sounds? You can only imagine something like that actually exists because there isn't any tangible proof that it actually does. On your side, however...

George True| 1.10.11 @ 1:32PM

Any moron knows that politics is full of military and martial jargon and always has been. What leftists insist are gunsights are just as easlity construed as "X marks the spot" indications on a map. In any case, the patently and irrefutable inference of such symbols is that such politicians were targeted for political defeat at the polls. Any other inference is a willful distortion. There has never been even one known or suspected incident in America where someone was motivated to commit violence based on political symbolism such as crosshairs.

It is the leftist mainstream media and the Democrat party that they shill for that is in full and deep denial that a higher percentage of the electorate now identifies more with the Tea Party than either the Democrat or Republican party. Talk about whistling past the graveyard.

George S| 1.10.11 @ 3:15PM

The Klan acted like a liberal organization, suppressing those who could vote against their politics. While the Klan used violence, today's liberals do not (at least yet). Instead, they use the Secretary of State project to suppress the vote of the military and to turn a blind eye to ballot stuffing and recounting; they turn to judges to overturn citizen ballot initiatives; and they to use law enforcement to not prosecute polling intimidation. The Klan, in spirit, is alive today with Obama and Pelosi.

If the Klan in not liberal statist in nature, then is it conservative? How many Mexicans are strung up by conservatives seeking to intimidate them from voting? When was the last time a conservative hurled a fire bomb into one of their churches? These are actions of those who fear freedom, not promote it. Controlling political discourse by threat of violence was never part of this country's conservative movement. WF Buckley started with a newletter, inspiring the conservative movement against the growing statism of FDR's policies... the same way Thomas Paine did with Common Sense.

Conservatives appeal to intellect and sense of patriotism. Liberals appeal to jealousy and greed, which is why they admire Che Guevara instead.

Grzmlyk| 1.10.11 @ 4:29PM

EXCELLENT comments.

I must say, the Amspec contributors are on FIRE in this thread.

The truth is to liberals what daylight is to a vampire.

Trenton | 1.10.11 @ 6:29PM

Drew,

Did you clear this comment with Markos Moulitsas? Apparently he used a bulls-eye to target Rep. Giffords' district. He said she was "dead to him" after refusing to vote for Nancy Pelosi as Minority Leader.

Think about it: a Democrat Rep. refuses to vote for Nancy Pelosi, so some "right-winger" shoots her?! Yeah, that makes sense.

Idiot.

Flipside| 1.10.11 @ 12:42PM

Let's not forget our brave, bullet dodging Sec. of War, Hillary Clinton, who stated during her campaign as the possible Progressive Nominee... that she was going to continue to stay in the race and invoked the memory of RFK getting assassinated as a reason...implying that Obama just might not make it until the end. Talk about provoking violence, she should a poster child.

JP| 1.10.11 @ 1:03PM

Alan,
Conservative, at least orthodox Catholics, do have sympathy for our political opponents. For in the end, we must all answer for our lives. After we die, none of this crap really matters. Game over.

Who Knows?| 1.10.11 @ 1:10PM

Truth is stranger than fiction.

Bottom line is that we are currently living through times of mass insanity, punctuated with periodic episodes of hysteria.

What is a “mass”?

The sum of living individuals, most of whom have been taught by society to be---crazed and crazy!

So, those with a glimmer of sanity resemble Nietzsche’s Zarathustra, when he clambered to the top of a mountain so he could be above the clouds and see clearly. Once in a while, sanity flashes enough light so that it all can be understood in its most characteristic nature---

Narcissus rules!

It’s not just that Obama is today’s top dog playing the role of the guy looking in a mirror and admiring his image, and being ignorant that it is HIMSELF. The same act is what defines most humans, these days.

So, we are witness to bumper stickers, such as: “If you aren’t outraged, you aren’t paying attention”, or “Wait until 2008”, etc. All of these types of messages were rallying cries to the “faithful” left wing to help bring us an Obama---and, they succeeded.

Then, rightists pined for November 2010, so they could “right” the political ship of state, and they did.

Now?

More waiting!

Meantime, Narcissus continues to act like---

Narcissus!

We live in very dangerous times, with a growing number of crazy nuts who are able to get their hands on more and more powerful weapons. And, I don’t just mean mentally deranged individuals, only, but must include many of those who are in charge of dastardly countries, like China, Russia and Venezuela---and, of course, the fruit basket case of North Korea.

Picture wild and out of control teenagers, who happened to have grown up chronologically, but unfettered by any concern for others, and empowered by deluded fellow traveling Narcissists.

That’s our powder keg world of humans, for you:

Narcissus!

To quote from another classic book, “Strangers In a Strange Land”---

“Waiting Is.”

Nick| 1.10.11 @ 1:15PM

Quick, AmSpec moderator, report this guy to the authorities!

He sounds like one of Loughner's cult buddies.

Who Knows?| 1.10.11 @ 1:58PM

Lighten up, Nick.

Nick| 1.10.11 @ 2:23PM

Physician, heal thyself.

If I were serious, I would have reported you myself.

John Navratil| 1.10.11 @ 8:57PM

Who Knows,

You should get out more.

Who Knows?| 1.11.11 @ 1:18PM

I'm out, more than you know!

So say I, Who Knows?

Let's see, I'm almost 69 years old---therefore, awake for almost 1,000,000 hours, and either in the presence of other people or otherwise surrounded b y society's actions.

I figure I've been OUT enough time to form my own conclusions about people.

You don't have to agree with them, of course, Narcissus.

John Navratil| 1.11.11 @ 5:45PM

Who Knows,

You REALLY should get out more.

Who Knows?| 1.11.11 @ 5:52PM

John Navratil--

Who knows, maybe YOU should REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY get out more.

Really!

Know how to catch a squirrel?

Climb up a tree and act like a nut.

I bet YOU can REALLY do that.

John Navratil| 1.11.11 @ 9:54PM

I'm sorry. I usually not usually so dismissive of commentators on this site. I really found your posts inscrutable. I'm obviously not up to the task of understanding them.

Nietzsche and Narcissus! I'll need more that a few bread crumbs to find the way.

Pat| 1.10.11 @ 1:28PM

Michael Daly of the New York Daily News said “the blood is on Sarah Palin’s hands” – although Paul Krugman of the New York Times blamed it on a “climate of hate”. New York’s readers of the Daily News want none of this namby-pamby “climate of hate” type psychological nonsense however, feeding their hate requires a real face; Sarah’s or Rush’s or maybe Tim McVeigh’s since he could be operating from beyond the grave. But those sophisticated trust fund kids on the Upper West Side recoil from such crude Bronx emotions and prefer vague “climate” type references – sort of like global warming only this shooting heralds an increase in “global hating”.

Responsible Conservatives decry this shooting; they hastily point out we Americans may often disagree on politics but emphatically denounce any resort to violence. Gay, black, Hispanic, feminists and Muslim organization spokespersons are sitting on their hands – obviously this incident is one of those “crazy white man” shoots up a bunch of white people issues – there’s obviously no Federal money in this for them or their organizations. The gun control hysterics naturally see this as the leading edge of a future wave of political shootings – send out those letters soliciting financial contributions, we’ll stop this gun violence if only you’ll send the “I Hate Guns” crowd some of your money.

Tucson is a long distance from New York City but New Yorkers are glad to help out and tell us Americans what to think about this shooting – as usual. And it may appear sleazy and cause your gorge to rise in disgust but New York’s media celebrities aren’t above exploiting this shooting to make a few bucks off the misery of others – “if we don’t, someone else will” goes their thinking. Thanks New York, we got the message and how bout those Jets?

Waapiti| 1.10.11 @ 4:37PM

After I heard the news about this, the first thing I thought was of those who are bound to make political hay out of the tragedy. As we have seen and heard and right on queue, it has happened. I have lost any respect I had left for the so-called "mainstream" media. Instead of blaming those they disagree with or hate, how about blaming the one person who actually committed the murder and mayhem? My God, people died! A little girl was murdered! A woman who is a public servant will most likely have to deal with a lifelong disability, if she survives. What are people in the press and other obviously misguided, degraded people thinking? I guess scoring political points in more important than human life these days.

Pat| 1.10.11 @ 7:18PM

Well, it’s not like these folks were gunned down on 5th Avenue – such a close to home attack would have been considered a world class tragedy over at 30 Rock. And feeling genuine compassion for an innocent little girl or a young woman trying to speak with her constituents is far beyond the New York medias’ mindset, they don’t view themselves as emulating those soft headed citizens of Iowa or Alabama – and besides they’re not in the compassion business, where’s the money in that? Their job, at least as they see it, is to interpret tragedies for us slow thinking Americans, who was really at fault, what dark evil in the American psyche prompted this ugliness, how should our government’s massive response be tailored to prevent this from ever, ever happening again?

Proud of their ability to fly above mundane concerns for the victims, the New York media instantly swung into action getting to the bottom of this massacre – and to no one’s surprise they found the real perpetrators almost immediately, complete with bloody hands. If some demented individual should take out 30 Rock with a massive car bomb explosion, the human tragedy would be equally apparent to us compassionate boobs, but who would be left to ferret out those Conservative politicians actually responsible? One can only wonder.

Waapiti| 1.10.11 @ 8:15PM

Agreed, Pat. Too bad conservatives and like-minded individuals are too slow and stupid to be compassionate and concerned about the victims and their families. Far be it for heartless, bigoted conservative idiots to be more concerned about the human beings who were harmed, rather than make money or political points from the tragedy. I guess we're not as educated and enlightened as the elitist New York or for that matter, mainstream media crowd.

Derek Leaberry| 1.10.11 @ 1:31PM

What relevance is there in comparing what happened in Tuscon to the four presidential assassinations? Jared Loughner appears to have been a mentally unstable sociopath of inchoate leftist politics with an obsession with an obscure congresswoman. Opportunistically, with a dash of irrational thinking, the left has shamelessly used the assassination attempt on Gabrielle Giffords to attack the right. Can anyone expect anything else out of the left?

But Loughner's leftist politics has nothing to do with John Wilkes Booth, Charles Guiteau, Leon Czolgosz or Lee Harvey Oswald. And Mr. Lord's assertion that all four assassins were leftist is wrong. Czolgosz and Oswald were leftists. Booth was reactionary or conservative depending on how you want to define the terms. Guiteau was a Republican at a time when neither party could be truly defined on a left-right axis. All four murdered for political motive and were not necessarily "crazy." The strangest coincidence between two of the men- Czolgosz and Guiteau- is that both men apparently spent time at the bizarre Oneida Community which was a free-love common marriage community during Guiteau's time there but not so when Czolgosz stayed at the community. Today, the Oneida Community's legacy is the successful silverware business that bears its name.

Oldefarte| 1.10.11 @ 1:40PM

Jeffrey's article is brilliant as usual, but the one and only cause/reason of this latest violent occurrance is simply LIBERALISM in general, as proclaimed in Hollywood's non-limited stream of endless violence/sexuality from its current movies and TV shows and as resulting from their the left's endless efforts to destroy RELIGION and GOD within this world [their efforts to replace same with GOVERNMENT]. This atheistic, immoral, and no limit philosophy of the left is the root cause of the violence and abnormal sexuality that is occurring today!!!!!!!!!

Interested Conservative| 1.10.11 @ 2:05PM

How does the Sheriff's office deal with the mentally unbalanced individuals within its jurisdiction? How does any sheriff's office deal with them? How should any sheriff's office deal with them?

Maybe those are more germane questions for this situation, but at least in this go round the left seems pre-occupied with addressing "political" motives, which seem more applicable and relevant to the prior cases listed.

I expect the next phase of this story to wander off into discussions of "therapy" and "treatment".

I don't know what to expect about the next phase of the Maj. Nadal case. The silence there seems to indicate that most of the press cannot decide on the "narrative".

Brian| 1.10.11 @ 2:44PM

At least Dems have the sense to smear their opponents. Repubs smear their own base. Why not a vote in the US House condemning Obama for his violent rhetoric?

Richard Cross| 1.10.11 @ 2:51PM

All all you right-wing defenders of the hateful rhetoric of your icons, recall and try to defend Sarah's admonition to her brain-washed minnions that "It's time to realod."

VBMax| 1.10.11 @ 2:57PM

At least we can spell :)

VBMax| 1.10.11 @ 3:00PM

No, seriously you guys can't tell the difference between a literal and figurative comment.

missbosslady| 1.10.11 @ 6:39PM

Realod? What is that?

Jeez, you're a dope!

Now if you'll excuse me I have to realod my dishwasher. Please don't take that to mean that I want you to go out and throw dishes at people.

John Navratil| 1.10.11 @ 8:59PM

Richard Cross,

Did you, or anyone else, think this was anything other than an admonition to keep up the fight? Seriously!

Clint| 1.10.11 @ 3:02PM

What Did Pima County Sheriff Dupnik Know & When Did He Know It?

"Jared Lee Loughner attended Pima Community College between 2005 and 2010. From February to September of last year, he was involved in five "classroom and library disruptions" that were handled by campus police, the school's officials said late Saturday.

He was suspended in late September after the college police found a video on YouTube in which Loughner claimed the college is "illegal" under the U.S. Constitution, officials said.

School officials said police officers delivered a letter explaining the decision to his home, where they spoke with Loughner and his parents. He was told he could return to campus only for an appointment to discuss the disciplinary actions against him in early October."

Waapiti| 1.10.11 @ 3:04PM

Who can forget a certain Rahm Emanuel who did the following:

"At a dinner to celebrate President Clinton's first election victory, Mr Emanuel began to name those who he believed had earned his enmity. As he listed the names of those he saw as traitors, he grabbed a steak knife, stood up and began plunging the knife into the table and shouting "Dead! Dead! Dead!" after each name." — http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....orcer.html

The last time anybody checked and in recent memory, who does/did Emanuel work for? Is Mr. Emanuel a lunatic, right-wing Republican "Tea Bagging" zealot? To date, I believe Mr. Emanuel has been one of those who said never to let a good crisis go to waste. Hmmmm.

DRed| 1.10.11 @ 3:05PM

Only Jeff Lord could write an article decrying political violence that opened with an exhortation for a lynching. I did get a hearty laugh out of hearing someone describe John Wilkes-Booth as a leftist, so thanks for that, at least.

Interested Conservative| 1.10.11 @ 3:28PM

Correct - Booth was no leftist. He was just a democrat.

DREd| 1.10.11 @ 3:55PM

Who cares what political party he belonged to? It was 1864.

Individual Conservative| 1.10.11 @ 4:14PM

Correct - and who was that Lynch guy anyway? All that stuff was more than 100 years ago, so it probably doesn't matter.

Clint| 1.10.11 @ 5:02PM

And here we all thought Lincoln was shot on April 14th,1865.

DRed| 1.10.11 @ 5:04PM

Well, you've got me there Clint. Although I suppose Booth could have been an democrat in 1864.

George True| 1.10.11 @ 4:10PM

Did you read the same article the rest of us did? I don't recall Mr Lord exhorting people to go out and lynch someone. Perhaps you object to him pointing out the unpleasant fact that the Dems are typically the ones who, figuratively and literally, call for violence against their political foes. It's funny, leftists are the only people who, when you quote to them their exact words that they said, accuse you of slandering them.

DRed| 1.10.11 @ 4:24PM

"He should be strung up." That's the first line of the article. And yes, I realize it's not from Mr. Lord.

Jack London| 1.10.11 @ 4:35PM

So George, who are the 'leftists' calling for 'second amendment' solutions against lawmakers, and the blood of tyrants? Are you quite sure - in whatever passes for a thought process in your brain - that the Ku Klux Klan are socialists, as your good Lord professes above?

What would funny if it wasn't so sad is that the very utterances you spout here are just an extension of the truth reversal of the articles here, and this terrible belief is actually frightening to decent people.

Grzmlyk| 1.10.11 @ 5:30PM

Jack, Jack, Jack.

We all know calls for violence against consveratives are ok - you know, all of the calls for Bush to be assassinated, for example, or Chris Matthews exhorting someobody to kill Rush Limbaugh. Heck, that's PATRIOTISM.

But when a conservative innocently uses terms related to warfare and/or guns - terms that everybody uses in the vernacular (you know, like "gee, you are on target!", or "you're just taking a shot in the dark") - this is proof! Proof! of heinous incitements to riot.

I always wonder about you guys: Do you knowingly lie, or are you under some spell induced by excessive vanity and narcissism?

Repeat after me: I am a liberal. Up is down, in is out, good is bad, truth is a lie, lie is a truth, Spending is saving, inflation is growth, sedition is patriotism, surrender is victory . . .

zarrie| 1.10.11 @ 3:24PM

this left-wing democRAT sheriff should be recalled. vote the bum out!

Jacobite| 1.10.11 @ 4:22PM

Dems have always been in the Federalist camp. In the 19th Century, they were the big-government American party. Around the turn of the 20th Century, they were inundated by Eastern European immigrants, who had no love for America, or Americans. The Dems gradually became simply the big-government party (America optional). With FDR, the Dems began seriously re-aligning, marginalizing the Southern (American) Dems and incorporating blacks, Jews, immigrants, criminals, and general malcontents. With LBJ and McGovern, the Dems officially renounced suport from, and of, American whites entirely. In case you haven't noticed, I believe the last Dem elected Prez by white voters was LBJ, in '64.

Nick| 1.10.11 @ 4:24PM

All you bleeding heart liberals out there, consider this:

-On the morning of September 6th, 1901, President William McKinley was shot by Leon Czolgosz.

-The president died on September 14th, 1901.

-Czolgosz's trial began on September 23rd, 1901.

-He was convicted and sentenced to death on September 26th, 1901.

-Czolgosz died in the electric chair on October 29th, 1901.

None of Czolgosz's civil rights were violated. Unlike President McKinley.

Derek Leaberry| 1.10.11 @ 5:31PM

Your post is most trenchant. The handling of the McKinley assassination was true justice. Czolgosz got what he deserved within six weeks. What we've lost.

Interested Conservative| 1.10.11 @ 6:10PM

The Zangara trial had a similar outcome - for the Cermak killing/FDR attempt.

Richard Baker| 1.10.11 @ 4:58PM

Cross:
She said that to her daughter. Strange thought process you possess.

Bruce Berger| 1.10.11 @ 5:18PM

I think that it is quite clear, or it should be, that this specific Arizona shooting was because of a demented young man who, for reasons known only to him, had a personal obsession with the victim. The fact that the victim is a Democrat is irrelevant. Or if one thinks that it somehow is relevant, he should then admit that it was relevant that Reagan was a Republican when he was a target of an attempted assassination.

As to the general argument that somehow political speech breeds violent behavior, I think it is a pretty thin reed. People of almost all intelligence levels can interpret the military metaphors used in political speech for what they are. If this weren't the case there would be many more acts of violence committed in the pursuit of political aims. The fact is that those incidents are rare. And, remember, this was not one of those incidents.

Finally, both sides give as good as they take when in comes to the metaphors.

In the end, in the wake of an unspeakable horror, some adults couldn't help themselves but engage in political opportunism. As a conservative I would like to think that those of us on the right would react more nobly if the assassin's intended victim were a conservative, but who knows? I have seen, however, that some on the Left have not covered themselves in glory in this case.

NJK| 1.10.11 @ 5:31PM

My sympathies go out to the friend of Judge Roll who seems to be forgotten in this. My sympathies go out to all the victims. I truly hate these people and I wish states would start seceding from the union. I wish we could just leave them, go to form another country and let them rot. I don't even want to live in the same country with these deranged people.

Nick| 1.10.11 @ 5:34PM

NJK,

You have it backwards.

It is they that should not be allowed to live amongst us.

NJk| 1.10.11 @ 5:44PM

PIMA COUNTY SHERIFF DUPNIK BLAMED RIGHT WING FOR SLAUGHTER BUT DETAILS EMERGE OF MULTIPLE CONTACTS BETWEEN JARED LOUGHNER AND THE SHERIFFS OFFICE OVER MULTIPLE DEATH THREATS
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/

DA MONK| 1.10.11 @ 8:03PM

He did NOT blame the Right Wing. He said: (quote) "When you look at all the unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitrol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry
that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous" Where do you see him, in this statement placing the blame for the shooting on the Right Wing? Maybe you are reacting to the famialarity of your feeling and the sheriff's statement and are embarased.

John Navratil| 1.10.11 @ 9:02PM

DA MONK,

The good sheriff specifically mentioned talk radio. Was he talking about the defunct "Air America"?

John Navratil| 1.10.11 @ 9:05PM

... And in an interview with Dianne Sawyer he excoriated Rush Limbaugh.

Who should be embarrassed?

NJK| 1.10.11 @ 5:51PM

OBAMA: REACTION TO TEXAS JIHADI ATTACK VS ARIZONA LONE NUT SLAUGHTER this is chilling.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.....ghter.html

Jeremiah| 1.10.11 @ 6:03PM

The overwhelming majority of conservatives do not react to a murderous tragedy by thinkiing, "Gee, what a great opportunity to score a few political points." That so many on the left have exactly that reaction is not making us defensive any more; it is causing us to wonder what manner of soulless monsters have taken root among us.

Waapiti| 1.10.11 @ 6:13PM

I know this is rehashing old arguments, but all of the "gun grabbers" are chomping at the bit on this one. What the anti-Second Amendment folks don't realize is that the Arizona shooter would have used another weapon to commit his maiming and murder, if guns were severely restricted or banned. The guy was obviously a criminally insane, unhinged lunatic. It's not the honest, law-abiding citizens who obtain weapons that are forbidden or illegal—it's the criminals. That is why they are called criminals—the law is no impediment for them. Of course, a 9mm semi-automatic pistol (reportedly the weapon used by the AZ shooter) are not illegal. If he legally obtained his pistol, how he passed the background check at whichever gun shop he purchased it from is another story. It didn't matter what the magazine capacity of his weapon was because even if he had an eight-round magazine (legal in all states), he simply would have taken an extra second or two to pull out the spent magazine and insert an unspent one. The old argument that the purpose of a handgun is to kill people is partially correct. In a law-abiding citizen's hand, the purpose of a handgun is for defensive purposes. Hunters do use handguns in an offensive and/or defensive posture while hunting.

So what weapon to use if guns were banned? The AZ murderer would have used a machete, a sword, or a homemade weapon fashioned from household items...or he simply could have just made a bomb, sadly but not surprisingly, by following bomb-making instructions obtained from/on the good old Internet. The AZ gunman's main target was the congresswoman. If he had used a knife or a machete, one well-placed strike would have d0ne what he intended to do: Kill and/or seriously wound. In other words, he would have killed and wounded at any cost and with whatever weapon he could find and use, he was that motivated.

The fact of the matter is that a determined and fanatically deranged person will find and use anything he or she can use to fulfill his or her destructive purposes, whether it be a gun, knife, or something else.

I realize there needs to be a better way of keeping weapons out of the hands of people who should not even be in possession of a plastic spork, but until such a time as a better methodology of doing so is put into place, more gun restriction is not the answer.

John II| 1.10.11 @ 7:23PM

Funny. This all seems kind of familiar. I first got interested in politics in the wake of the Kennedy assassination, when I was still young and naive enough to be stunned by the asinine response of the left. The same breed of lefty jackasses started decrying the evil right-wing hatemongers.

On and on it went until Dwight MacDonald wrote a piece in the New Republic suggesting that his fellow lefties should calm down and stop talking nonsense: "Oswald was one of OUR nuts, not one of theirs."

But there are no longer any Dwight MacDonalds on the left. Just nuts--of a particularly rancid variety.

BackToBasics| 1.10.11 @ 7:25PM

The liberals writing here and elsewhere have yet to try to defend or even bring up or admit to the leftist ideology that Laughner ascribed to.

Also not admitted is how much leftists and communists and Nazi sympathizers hate Jews. Congresswoman Giffords is Jewish. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this was one factor in Laughner's choice to shoot a mostly left-of-center Democrat; although not nearly as left as Obam. I'd be more surprised if it came out that it was not a factor. Although the media will do it's best to keep such information quiet even if it comes up in the trial.

kingofthenet| 1.10.11 @ 8:55PM

Anyone who thinks this Sheriff is like a Communist, than what does that make Sheriff Joe? A Nazi? Sheriff Dupnik is the embodiment of a Good Sheriff, trying to calm the waters by pointing out and embarrassing the extremists.

Albert Constantine Jr.| 1.10.11 @ 9:29PM

UPI-Tucson: The Sheriff of Pima County, Arizona has announced the first series of arrests under the new “Overheated Rhetoric” ordinance. Passed by executive fiat in the wake of the shooting of U.S. Representative Giffords, Sheriff Clarence Dubnik has been given the authority to initiate charges against anyone who promotes or otherwise uses words “may inflame the unstable or are otherwise vitriolic”. In custody thus far is the program manager of KNST AM790 Tucson, who has been charged in a conspiracy to distribute Rush Limbaugh. Reports also indicate that under the same statute but a separate complaint, warrants have been issued for Eric Clapton and the late Robert Marley, in relation to similar but separate recorded messages inciting individuals to commit violence against a law enforcement official originating in the 1970s, but continuing as an enterprise into the present. “Every time I hear ‘I Shot the Sheriff’ played on local radio, I add another count for the indictment” Dubnik is quoted as saying.

Nite| 1.10.11 @ 9:02PM

My prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords and all of the injured. I pray for the families of those killed and the grief that they are enduring right now. I will say to the Sheriff though, if you can not be objective in your job and state only facts, then you should not be in law enforcement. The liberals and their surrogates right now are trying to demonize conservatives in anyway that they can. They know that more of them may be kicked out of Congress during the election in 2012, and it will mean a loss of their radical agenda that they have been shoving down the throats of the citizens in this country. Conservatives go to the ballot box to rid Congress of liberals. We don't shoot them at a meeting in a grocery store.

Kingofthenet| 1.10.11 @ 10:39PM

You want to look at an Arizona Sheriff who is using overheated language and ACTUALLY breaking the law by NOT cooperating with the Federal Govt. in investigations? How about Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio? But we LIKE him, I know it's hard to be consistent.

John II| 1.10.11 @ 11:07PM

Actually, Sheriff Arpaio is not cooperating with the Feds in the Feds' pattern of not enforcing the law vis-a-vis illegal immigrants. He's upholding the law; the Feds are playing boutique lefty politics.

And by the way, while we're on the topic of the proper use of language, what happened in Tucson was not a "tragedy." It was an atrocity. And so was the Left's predictable response.

I pretty much gave up when 9/11 was buried in the false language of "tragedy." But when BOTH sides use that cheap and inaccurate language, I suppose the only honorable response is to fight for a lost cause.

To repeat: the Tucson massacre was an atrocity, not a tragedy.

BackToBasics| 1.11.11 @ 2:20AM

Agreed, comparing Arpaio to Dupnik is just a smoke and mirrors type of comparison which is about all the leftists can come up with. Dupnik's is a crime scene, Arpaio is just trying to uphold laws already on the books that the Feds will not enforce.

Margie| 1.11.11 @ 12:02PM

I like what you say, John II.
God bless you.
It's good to know we have teachers out there like you who are conservative and honest.
Sorry I forgot if it's teacher of professor again, but the sentiment's the same.
You're a credit to conservatism, and to your profession.

John II| 1.11.11 @ 12:15PM

Whoa! What a nice New Year's present. If I have YOUR approval, Marge, I can easily put up with the more or less quiet contempt extended to me by my "professional" associates.

I'm afraid it's "Professor." But it's "Professor" only to the extent that I work in a weird place where everyone has the same first name. In fact, I'm just a country teacher at heart--an honest calling, I reckon.

Sonny| 1.10.11 @ 11:41PM

Please, he's a Sheriff, a Sad and Pathetic moronic one at that, and NOT a Licensed and Certified Psychologist, or a Psychiatrist. He needs to just do his job, gather hard factual real physical evidence, and any pursuant investigation, and stop trying to blame someone else, that he has no evidence for, by using his BS amateur psychiatric prognosis and analysis of…

Marc Jeric| 1.11.11 @ 12:46AM

Americans - get used to the ongoing communist propaganda machine. This propaganda is nothing new to this former refugee from a communist hell. Already back in the late 1960's I started calling the New York Times as The Pravda, and the Washington Post as the Washington Izvyestya.

Always Right| 1.11.11 @ 1:59AM

The real reason this stupid left-wing democRAT sjeriff wants to blame conservatives is that he and his incompetent sheriff's department had man contacts with the shooter and, in fact, investigated death threats made by the shooter and HE DID NOTHING TO STOP THE SHOOTER

Always Right| 1.11.11 @ 1:59AM

John II| 1.11.11 @ 12:21PM

A rare instance in which a posting deserves to be posted thrice. The Left thinks only in mantras--perhaps this is the only way to get through to them.

Jullou | 1.11.11 @ 2:36PM

Pima County Arizona needs to recall this sheriff. I'm sure that Obama will hire him as a czar to observe and speak out about conservatives.

West Houston| 1.11.11 @ 8:32PM

When you said Mr. Denny was beaten to death, I remembered that you were very nearly correct, but that he did survive. He happened to be in the wrong place in the wrong time. I found this:

"Denny's assault, like the King beating, was seen by millions on television. Unlike the King beating, Denny's travail was carried live by media helicopters that hovered over the riot torn streets.

Bobby Green, a black truck driver whose home was not far from the intersection, was watching television when he saw Denny being pulled from the truck. Not saying a word to his family, he left the safety of his home and rushed to the melee. With the help of other black rescuers, another man and two women, he managed to push Denny back into the cab. Green drove the truck to the hospital emergency room, saving Denny's life. He then returned the truck to the company lot and quietly made his way home."

Mr. Bobby Green and those who helped him are certainly heroes.

Adidas | 8.11.11 @ 5:51AM

is good

العاب | 4.10.12 @ 1:01PM

Thank you for responding.

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