The implicit argument for the legality of Obamacare is that the
country hasn't taken the Constitution seriously in decades. So why
start now? Since all branches of the federal government have
colluded in ignoring and violating the Constitution for this or
that "good" cause over the years, why insist on returning to it?
Nancy Pelosi relied on this implicit argument when she sputtered
"Are you serious?" to a question last year about Obamacare's
constitutionality. Her scoff meant that the matter isn't even
debatable anymore; America's de facto new Constitution -- the
"living" one that resides in the wills of modern pols and judges --
permits Congress to do anything it pleases in the name of the
"general welfare."
Attorney General Eric Holder and Health and Human Services
Secretary Kathleen Sebelius sound a similar note when they
write that U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson's ruling is an
antiquated quibble: "We saw similar challenges to laws that created
Social Security and established new civil rights protections. Those
challenges ultimately failed, and so will this one."
Holder and Sebelius find it annoying that the states would
"dig" up an "old" theory like the Commerce Clause to oppose such
obviously altruistic legislation. Holder and Sebelius sniff that
the states' reading of the Commerce Clause was rejected "80 years
ago."
That Congress can establish whatever tax it pleases in the
name of the "general welfare" or ludicrously stretch the Commerce
Clause to mean that nonactivity counts as regulatable "interstate
commerce" was rejected over 220 years ago. Forcing every person in
every state into purchasing health insurance was not one of the
enumerated powers of Congress. But instead of just admitting that,
Holder has to fake up a legal case for baldly unconstitutional
action and hope that the "80 years" old anti-constitution of
judicial activism holds. And it probably will, since the swing vote
on the Supreme Court, Anthony Kennedy, is capable of reading the
Constitution with extreme creativity.
Mere existence may count as "interstate commerce" to a
justice who has elsewhere found "a right to define one's own
concept of existence" within the Constitution.
Holder and Sebelius resort to the Democrats' language of
Big Brother when referring to the unconstitutional mandate at the
center of Obamacare as the "individual responsibility provision"
and talk tough about all the freeloading at emergency rooms
permitted by the current system. ("The costs of this uncompensated
care -- $43 billion in 2008 -- are then passed on to doctors,
hospitals, small businesses and Americans who have
insurance.")
The latter is an odd stance for proponents of subsidized
care to take. What does it matter to them if people are currently
receiving free care at emergency rooms? Aren't they in favor of
free care? The costs of Obamacare will make those costs look minor,
and it is not as if those who are currently receiving free care
will suddenly be able to fulfill the "individual responsibility
provision."
What that Orwellian phrase means is not that individuals
will take responsibility for their own costs but that they will
carry costs for others. The healthy have to be herded into coverage
that they don't need in order to get money into the system for all.
Holder and Sebelius use the analogy of mandatory car insurance to
justify this provison: "Imagine what would happen if everyone
waited to buy car insurance until after they got in an accident.
Premiums would skyrocket, coverage would be unaffordable, and
responsible drivers would be priced out of the market." But for the
analogy to work, the mandatory car insurance would have to extend
to nondrivers. Are nondrivers engaging in "interstate commerce" by
not driving? Should they be forced into car insurance that covers
everything from crashes to oil changes so that insurance premiums
for drivers can go down? That's what Obamacare is like.
Holder and Sebelius make a few pro forma remarks about the
legality of Obamacare but basically adopt the tone of saying that
the legislation is so salutary that any constitutional challenge to
it should be automatically dismissed. Don't take away the funding
mechanism of Obamacare, they essentially plead, implying, as
proponents of judicial activism always do, that even if the means
are unconstitutional the "good" result from Congressional
legislation should stand.
About the Author
George Neumayr is a contributing editor to The American Spectator.
When I lived in California, in my Ayn Rand days, I had a brief
discussion with a liberal friend about being taxed to provide
welfare payments for people like her. She asked me, *Would you
support this program voluntarily?* and I said no, of course not.
*You see,* she said triumphantly, *THATS WHY YOU HAVE TO BE FORCED
TO!*
That sort of summed it up for me.
Darin| 12.16.10 @ 7:16AM
Of course, her mindset was that this made her compassionate.
Compassion at the point of a gun is NOT compassion.
Best approach when discussing this with liberals is to turn it
around on them. Tell them there should be a law making abortion
illegal because it murders an innocent. Since liberals won't like
it, they should be forced to live with it. There is no
difference.
gypsy| 12.16.10 @ 9:25AM
I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
Comrade.
Ned| 12.16.10 @ 1:40PM
Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way you
can understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic .
Someone over there has it figured out. We have a lot of work to
do.
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will
be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency
than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a
depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.
The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who
is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that
made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who
is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a
multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."
Nick| 12.16.10 @ 3:57PM
Ned,
Excellent quote!
Thank you.
tomackio| 12.16.10 @ 10:42PM
Wow, that was great. I am going to use that one. Perfect!
Rick| 12.16.10 @ 11:42PM
Ned! You da man! Seriously, I'd like to quote your quote on
other sites. Do you have a source link?
REB| 12.16.10 @ 11:42PM
Yessir that about says it all!
Rick| 12.16.10 @ 11:42PM
Ned! You da man! Seriously, I'd like to quote your quote on
other sites. Do you have a source link?
monstertruckforce| 12.17.10 @ 9:35AM
That says it all right there.
Susan| 12.18.10 @ 12:50PM
Exactly! I've been thinking about Nazi Germany - Who was
responsible? Just Hitler? Or was it the people, too?
After WWII ended, the German people said that Hitler lied to them,
and they didn't know what was going on.
But there are all those tapes of Hitler giving public talks, saying
they needed to elimate all the Jews in Europe.
I am NOT comparing Obama to Hitler; I am just saying that when a
country elects its leaders, the fool leaders are not the only ones
to blame for bad policy; the people are at fault, also.
KT Borland| 12.20.10 @ 12:33AM
Excellent!!!More than that a people who forget their roots are
DOOMED! We have forgotten our what our founders stood for! Read the
Constituition,Bill of rights....We have neglectied,forgotten GOD!!!
Our country was founded on the precepts of the BIBLE,which was
ALWAYS read in schools until the PROGRESSIVE era about a 100 years
ago or so....
carnot| 12.16.10 @ 2:07PM
the real issue: when do those who oppose fight back? and what
form does the fight take?
Dean from Ohio| 12.16.10 @ 10:17PM
I'm so compassionate. I'm going to spend your money to prove
it.
Mimi| 12.16.10 @ 7:16AM
Well..Indeed..My, My...Holder and Sebelius call the ruling on
health-care mandate by: Judge Henry E. Hudson..." ANTIQUATED
QUIBBLE ". Who actually believes in old fashioned stuff..anymore??
Have I Got NEWS for them in case they haven't heard...From Parched
Patriotic hearts thirst for FREEDOM after the election of 2008 ,
when AMERICA voted in for PRESIDENT THE MOST LIBERAL member of the
U.S.Senate. A huge mistake in our HISTORY...citizens had no where
else to turn but to the honored CONSTITUTION! The antiquated
quibble gave us the TEA-PARTY and the 2010 November 2nd ..."
SHELLACKING" to the led- astray Democrats. We are now experiencing
a MAJOR shift in collective thought in AMERICA.... Holder/ Sebelius
are the ones NOW singing ..."QUIBBLE"
Have you considered| 12.16.10 @ 8:05AM
Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death !
SonOfSam| 12.16.10 @ 9:26AM
that's what those death panels are for: to kill you AND your
liberty using the same mechanism.
ObamaCare: death and taxes in one convenient package
SCM| 12.16.10 @ 12:32PM
That would make a great bumper sticker.
Nunya| 12.16.10 @ 12:54PM
LOL! Excellent!
GavInTucson| 12.16.10 @ 11:44PM
"ObamaCare: death and taxes in one convenient package"
Now that's the best line I've heard all week :)
Ned| 12.16.10 @ 1:35PM
screw that - Give me Liberty of give THEM death...
and of course, I pick who "them" is....
nguyen| 12.16.10 @ 8:38AM
Regarding Emergency Room care, it is Medicaid recipients that
are the biggest abusers (using the ER for non-emergent care). The
numbers are out there- this is not just an anecdotal statement.
Great example of unintended consequences:
1. Medicaid physician reimbursement less than the doctor's cost of
care
2. Doctors limit or refuse to treat Medicaid patients (a
reasonable, expected result).
3. ERs legally bound to treat ANYONE for ANY COMPLAINT. No co-pay
required for Medicaid.
4. ERs overflowing with Medicaid patients, hospitals losing
$$$
5. State/Federal government paying MUCH MORE for medicaid because
ER care for a given ailment is 3-4 times more expensive.
How are hospitals and doctors staying afloat? The private health
insurance system reimburses much better, so this offsets the cost
of the government sponsored care. Now guess what will happen when
Obamacare's further cuts in reimbursement to doctors and hospitals
take effect? What will happen when the private insurance system
breaks down from the enormous regulatory burden Obamacare will
bring? Fewer doctors, fewer nurses, hospitals closing down (or
scrambling to consolidate), LONG waits for care. If you think
health care is bad in the UK and Canada, just wait until this
monstrosity is fully implemented.
SonOfSam| 12.16.10 @ 9:31AM
and on top of that, ObamaCare gets more people insured by simply
raising the income level you can have and still qualify for
Medicaid. How they just patted themselves on the back for that,
while they told all the states "Oh by the way, YOU are paying for
OUR 'generosity' "
And the clueless fools out there in Oprah-land still wonder why
20 states have signed up to sue to overturn this monstrosity!
RacerJim| 12.16.10 @ 9:59AM
"When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When
the people fear the government, there is tyranny." -- Thomas
Jefferson
No doubt Holder, Sebelius and Obama would consider that
antiquated quibble also.
Joe Oliva| 12.16.10 @ 1:47PM
Of course they consider this quibbling. They have every intent
to take away your guns, it is just a matter of getting the right
judges in the SCOTUS.
The revolution is about to begin. Given the murder of a Border
Patrol Agent in Arizona, my guess is that it starts there by
killing all the drug runners. Then on to the rest of the
nation.
Bill| 12.16.10 @ 10:01AM
Driving we are told is a ‘privilege’, living is a right or is
living also a privilege to liberals.
YeloStalyn| 12.16.10 @ 11:42AM
Given their stance on abortion I would say privilege...
Given their stance on criminal punishment, I would say a privilege
only the worst of the worst have access to (according to
liberals).
OMG they are so bass-ackwards.
logmank| 12.16.10 @ 10:40AM
Unfortunately, Judge Hudson did not declare the entire
enforcement section unconstitutional - only the individual mandate.
He left it up to a "higher court" to rule on the remainder of the
enforcement section. IF a higher court also finds only the
individual mandate section unconstitutional, the net effect will be
to force health insurance companies out of business and give
Obowmao, Reid and Pelosi exactly what they want - a single payer
government run system.
Lois| 12.16.10 @ 1:33PM
Actually, not quite true. This bill contains no severablilty
clause. That is a clause normally inserted into a bill that says
basically if any part of the bill is unconstitutional the rest of
the bill still stands. Since the healthcare bill doesn't have the
clause, if any part of it is deemed unconstitutial it effectively
strikes down this disaster of a bill.
No kidding Lois? Well, that takes the cake! Doesn't surprise me
though. This bill is shot through with hubris. They've confused
power with authority. That's no quibble! And to think! All they had
to do was raise the taxable income level for Medicare mandates and
it was all done! Or do tort reform to limit liability to doctors.
Aren't there limited corporations? Dumb is as dumb does... and
drunk drunk drunk on their power...
bill carson| 12.16.10 @ 10:59AM
Yeah, but the American people have only themselves to blame.
Prior to the election of 2008 anyone with a brain in their head
knew what Obama stood for. Yet the public gave virtually
dictatorial power to the Democratic Party. So now it's time to pay
the piper.
Jeff| 12.16.10 @ 11:46AM
I would point out the the "fine" for not getting insurance goes
to the general operating fund of the Government and is not
earmarked specifically for funding ObamaCare ...
fwb| 12.16.10 @ 12:11PM
Taking from one private party to give to another private party
violates the takings clause. The 5th Amendment is supposed to
protect us against these az-oles but of course protections through
words require honorable public servants.
On top of the 5th is that absolute, indisputable fact the
federal government has almost no police power, that is the
legitimate power to fine and criminalize, except in exactly in
three areas. These areas are written explicitly into the grants of
power. The explicit inclusion of these granted powers proves that
the general power and the related powers of punishment do not exist
without explicit inclusion. Try reading Article I, Section 8 and
Article III, Section 3 and explain WHY the Framers saw it
necessary, even with the "necessary and proper" clause, to
explicitly place the power to punish for certain specific issues in
the Constitution. AND explain WHY other punishment grants are not
necessary if the ones in the Constitution were.
In black and white, the feds have no authority to fine the
people.
Nunya| 12.16.10 @ 12:57PM
While you may be correct Constitutionally, try telling that to
all those in prison for evading taxes.
But Nunya, Congress does have the authority to raise taxes for
the general welfare. And because it does the government may impose
fines for non-compliance under the necessary and proper clause. For
instance, how to have an army for a common defense? The penalty for
not buying health insurance is not a tax. First the horse, then the
cart. The law must first be constitutional. If not, the necessary
and proper clause does not apply.
You've hit the nail on the head. They do not know the difference
between authority and power.
David| 12.16.10 @ 12:21PM
Im looking forward to the day when a future republican congress
and senate pass the Militia Defense Act requiring every citizen to
possess and own an assualt rifle for the defense of the nation.
George S| 12.16.10 @ 12:23PM
The original House bill, HR 3962, called the penalty for not
buying insurance a "Tax on individuals without acceptable health
care coverage". Note the word 'tax' and not 'penalty'. Yet the
Senate version signed into law, HR 3590, replaces the word 'tax'
with 'penalty'. The reason is most likely that the Senate is
prohibited by the antiquated Constitution from raising revenue,
i.e., by taxation, and the fact that HR 3590 was a shell of a bill.
It would have made an interesting test case -- could the Senate gut
an unrelated House bill and "amend" it through conference with the
House to institute a revenue bill? After all, if the word 'tax'
remained in the final version, we would have been screwed because
the power to raise taxes for the general welfare trumps any
commerce clause argument. But it didn't remain because it would
have violated the Constitution for the Senate to author a revenue
bill.
So how can the Court ignore the Senate changing the language to
comply with the Constitution? Does that not show a conscious and
premeditated intent to circumvent the law? That alone should be
enough to shake some sense into Anthony Kennedy.
Al Adab| 12.16.10 @ 12:28PM
Constitution? Why bother? We have a government of the best and
brightest right now. Surely they know what we need. After all
central planning is clearly superior to free market madness any
day. If we got all hung up on enumerated powers the federal
government would be small and only dealing with imports, coinage
and defense. What would become of all the employees in those
agencies taking care of us?
John Navratil| 12.16.10 @ 1:23PM
Al Adab,
Perhaps they could pick strawberries?
Al Adab| 12.16.10 @ 1:46PM
John,
Ahhh, Si. Es muy bueno.
Garry Owen| 12.16.10 @ 12:38PM
Throw the bums out!
carnot| 12.16.10 @ 2:17PM
boycott tourism to NV, CA, MI, NY.
boycott Union made products.
boycott GM & Chrysler.
pick your charities very carefully.
actively engage in supporting opposition candidates come
2012.
Oldefarte| 12.16.10 @ 4:00PM
The sole purpose of Obamacare is to provide medical/health
insurance welfare. Just as the CRA of 1977 began the process of
AFFORDABLE HOMES welfare, which has now resulted in a
credit/housing crisis, so too will the health insurance welfare
eventually result in insurance company bankruptcies, medical care
deteriation, governmental expense increases, higher taxes to fund
same,etc. But hey, that's what Democrats want isn't it, to
revolutionary destroy this country? If you want to view the future
of this country, take a hard look at what is currently happening in
Europe, especially Greece and Italy!!!!!!!!!!
Mel Torme| 12.16.10 @ 9:13PM
Wrong article for your comment, LED - I think you may have
burned out a diode or two.
Dean from Ohio| 12.16.10 @ 10:21PM
If the Constitution is not binding, then neither are their laws.
Only raw power remains. Perhaps the governed will decide to exert
raw power to free themselves from the shackles of their arrogant
masters in Washington. If that ever happens, it is not likely to go
well for said masters.
I was interested to read the following Justice Department quote
in a related article in the Wall Street Journal
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703395204576023733405954012.html):
"Ian Gershengorn, a Justice Department lawyer representing the
administration, said the health insurance market is unlike any
other, since all Americans at some point get medical care.
Requiring them to carry insurance is just a way of regulating how
they pay for it, and preventing all those with insurance coverage
from subsidizing the cost of others' uncompensated care, he
said."
First, NOT all Americans get medical care at some point.
Christian Scientists don't, so is the federal government going to
ignore their religious beliefs? Is that constitutional?
Second, haven't courts generally ruled that those of legal age
and sound mind can refuse medical care? If the government can't
force you to accept medical care, how can it compel you to buy
insurance for that care?
Third, if the administration is worried about the uninsured
being subsidized by those with coverage, why is it forcing people
who are current with their mortgages, or who don't even own a home,
to "subsidize" the strategic defaulters, etc.? After all, every
American lives somewhere ...
Osamas Pajamas| 12.17.10 @ 12:29AM
I think that all the Congressional Democrats and
collaborationist Republicans should be horsewhipped daily.
Imagine what would happen if everyone waited to buy car
insurance until after they got in an accident. Premiums would
skyrocket, coverage would be unaffordable, and responsible drivers
would be priced out of the market."
duck| 12.17.10 @ 12:01PM
That is what is called 'pre-existing condition' ....
duck| 12.17.10 @ 12:48PM
If 'nonactivity' can be regulated by the government, this logic,
by extension, can be brought into any area of law. TSA can then,
for example, treat the non-flying public as possible terrorists and
apply their search and destroy tactics on non-flyers or force the
non-flying public to fly or face huge fines and jail time.
You don't want to buy a new car ??? Well, the government logic
says they can not only force you to buy a new car, they have the
right to tell you what make, model, color that car will be and
where you buy it from whether you want it or not. The price of the
vehicle will be set by the government and shall be sold for no more
and no less. After you have paid for the car, a government panel
will be informed and they will let you know when you can take
possession of the vehicle. The government will keep track of the
mileage of your car before and after it is in you care, and when a
certain number of miles has accrued which is to be decided by
another government panel, the car will be destroyed. Then the
process begins all over again. The salary of the car salesman will
be set by the government and no amount of work on the salesman's
part will allow him to make any more money. The car dealership will
limit it's profit margin to a percentage that the government will
decree on an individual basis.
Judicial decree has been found that interstate commerce to
include any action or inaction that an individual might take, so in
the name of freedom, fairness, and equality under the living,
breathing constitution, you will conduct your affairs in a matter
prescribed by the government.
Appleby| 12.16.10 @ 7:11AM
When I lived in California, in my Ayn Rand days, I had a brief discussion with a liberal friend about being taxed to provide welfare payments for people like her. She asked me, *Would you support this program voluntarily?* and I said no, of course not. *You see,* she said triumphantly, *THATS WHY YOU HAVE TO BE FORCED TO!*
That sort of summed it up for me.
Darin| 12.16.10 @ 7:16AM
Of course, her mindset was that this made her compassionate. Compassion at the point of a gun is NOT compassion.
Best approach when discussing this with liberals is to turn it around on them. Tell them there should be a law making abortion illegal because it murders an innocent. Since liberals won't like it, they should be forced to live with it. There is no difference.
gypsy| 12.16.10 @ 9:25AM
I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
Comrade.
Ned| 12.16.10 @ 1:40PM
Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way you can understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there has it figured out. We have a lot of work to do.
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."
Nick| 12.16.10 @ 3:57PM
Ned,
Excellent quote!
Thank you.
tomackio| 12.16.10 @ 10:42PM
Wow, that was great. I am going to use that one. Perfect!
Rick| 12.16.10 @ 11:42PM
Ned! You da man! Seriously, I'd like to quote your quote on other sites. Do you have a source link?
REB| 12.16.10 @ 11:42PM
Yessir that about says it all!
Rick| 12.16.10 @ 11:42PM
Ned! You da man! Seriously, I'd like to quote your quote on other sites. Do you have a source link?
monstertruckforce| 12.17.10 @ 9:35AM
That says it all right there.
Susan| 12.18.10 @ 12:50PM
Exactly! I've been thinking about Nazi Germany - Who was responsible? Just Hitler? Or was it the people, too?
After WWII ended, the German people said that Hitler lied to them, and they didn't know what was going on.
But there are all those tapes of Hitler giving public talks, saying they needed to elimate all the Jews in Europe.
I am NOT comparing Obama to Hitler; I am just saying that when a country elects its leaders, the fool leaders are not the only ones to blame for bad policy; the people are at fault, also.
KT Borland| 12.20.10 @ 12:33AM
Excellent!!!More than that a people who forget their roots are DOOMED! We have forgotten our what our founders stood for! Read the Constituition,Bill of rights....We have neglectied,forgotten GOD!!! Our country was founded on the precepts of the BIBLE,which was ALWAYS read in schools until the PROGRESSIVE era about a 100 years ago or so....
carnot| 12.16.10 @ 2:07PM
the real issue: when do those who oppose fight back? and what form does the fight take?
Dean from Ohio| 12.16.10 @ 10:17PM
I'm so compassionate. I'm going to spend your money to prove it.
Mimi| 12.16.10 @ 7:16AM
Well..Indeed..My, My...Holder and Sebelius call the ruling on health-care mandate by: Judge Henry E. Hudson..." ANTIQUATED QUIBBLE ". Who actually believes in old fashioned stuff..anymore?? Have I Got NEWS for them in case they haven't heard...From Parched Patriotic hearts thirst for FREEDOM after the election of 2008 , when AMERICA voted in for PRESIDENT THE MOST LIBERAL member of the U.S.Senate. A huge mistake in our HISTORY...citizens had no where else to turn but to the honored CONSTITUTION! The antiquated quibble gave us the TEA-PARTY and the 2010 November 2nd ..." SHELLACKING" to the led- astray Democrats. We are now experiencing a MAJOR shift in collective thought in AMERICA.... Holder/ Sebelius are the ones NOW singing ..."QUIBBLE"
Have you considered| 12.16.10 @ 8:05AM
Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death !
SonOfSam| 12.16.10 @ 9:26AM
that's what those death panels are for: to kill you AND your liberty using the same mechanism.
ObamaCare: death and taxes in one convenient package
SCM| 12.16.10 @ 12:32PM
That would make a great bumper sticker.
Nunya| 12.16.10 @ 12:54PM
LOL! Excellent!
GavInTucson| 12.16.10 @ 11:44PM
"ObamaCare: death and taxes in one convenient package"
Now that's the best line I've heard all week :)
Ned| 12.16.10 @ 1:35PM
screw that - Give me Liberty of give THEM death...
and of course, I pick who "them" is....
nguyen| 12.16.10 @ 8:38AM
Regarding Emergency Room care, it is Medicaid recipients that are the biggest abusers (using the ER for non-emergent care). The numbers are out there- this is not just an anecdotal statement. Great example of unintended consequences:
1. Medicaid physician reimbursement less than the doctor's cost of care
2. Doctors limit or refuse to treat Medicaid patients (a reasonable, expected result).
3. ERs legally bound to treat ANYONE for ANY COMPLAINT. No co-pay required for Medicaid.
4. ERs overflowing with Medicaid patients, hospitals losing $$$
5. State/Federal government paying MUCH MORE for medicaid because ER care for a given ailment is 3-4 times more expensive.
How are hospitals and doctors staying afloat? The private health insurance system reimburses much better, so this offsets the cost of the government sponsored care. Now guess what will happen when Obamacare's further cuts in reimbursement to doctors and hospitals take effect? What will happen when the private insurance system breaks down from the enormous regulatory burden Obamacare will bring? Fewer doctors, fewer nurses, hospitals closing down (or scrambling to consolidate), LONG waits for care. If you think health care is bad in the UK and Canada, just wait until this monstrosity is fully implemented.
SonOfSam| 12.16.10 @ 9:31AM
and on top of that, ObamaCare gets more people insured by simply raising the income level you can have and still qualify for Medicaid. How they just patted themselves on the back for that, while they told all the states "Oh by the way, YOU are paying for OUR 'generosity' "
And the clueless fools out there in Oprah-land still wonder why 20 states have signed up to sue to overturn this monstrosity!
RacerJim| 12.16.10 @ 9:59AM
"When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
No doubt Holder, Sebelius and Obama would consider that antiquated quibble also.
Joe Oliva| 12.16.10 @ 1:47PM
Of course they consider this quibbling. They have every intent to take away your guns, it is just a matter of getting the right judges in the SCOTUS.
The revolution is about to begin. Given the murder of a Border Patrol Agent in Arizona, my guess is that it starts there by killing all the drug runners. Then on to the rest of the nation.
Bill| 12.16.10 @ 10:01AM
Driving we are told is a ‘privilege’, living is a right or is living also a privilege to liberals.
YeloStalyn| 12.16.10 @ 11:42AM
Given their stance on abortion I would say privilege...
Given their stance on criminal punishment, I would say a privilege only the worst of the worst have access to (according to liberals).
OMG they are so bass-ackwards.
logmank| 12.16.10 @ 10:40AM
Unfortunately, Judge Hudson did not declare the entire enforcement section unconstitutional - only the individual mandate. He left it up to a "higher court" to rule on the remainder of the enforcement section. IF a higher court also finds only the individual mandate section unconstitutional, the net effect will be to force health insurance companies out of business and give Obowmao, Reid and Pelosi exactly what they want - a single payer government run system.
Lois| 12.16.10 @ 1:33PM
Actually, not quite true. This bill contains no severablilty clause. That is a clause normally inserted into a bill that says basically if any part of the bill is unconstitutional the rest of the bill still stands. Since the healthcare bill doesn't have the clause, if any part of it is deemed unconstitutial it effectively strikes down this disaster of a bill.
DG| 12.20.10 @ 6:32PM
No kidding Lois? Well, that takes the cake! Doesn't surprise me though. This bill is shot through with hubris. They've confused power with authority. That's no quibble! And to think! All they had to do was raise the taxable income level for Medicare mandates and it was all done! Or do tort reform to limit liability to doctors. Aren't there limited corporations? Dumb is as dumb does... and drunk drunk drunk on their power...
bill carson| 12.16.10 @ 10:59AM
Yeah, but the American people have only themselves to blame. Prior to the election of 2008 anyone with a brain in their head knew what Obama stood for. Yet the public gave virtually dictatorial power to the Democratic Party. So now it's time to pay the piper.
Jeff| 12.16.10 @ 11:46AM
I would point out the the "fine" for not getting insurance goes to the general operating fund of the Government and is not earmarked specifically for funding ObamaCare ...
fwb| 12.16.10 @ 12:11PM
Taking from one private party to give to another private party violates the takings clause. The 5th Amendment is supposed to protect us against these az-oles but of course protections through words require honorable public servants.
On top of the 5th is that absolute, indisputable fact the federal government has almost no police power, that is the legitimate power to fine and criminalize, except in exactly in three areas. These areas are written explicitly into the grants of power. The explicit inclusion of these granted powers proves that the general power and the related powers of punishment do not exist without explicit inclusion. Try reading Article I, Section 8 and Article III, Section 3 and explain WHY the Framers saw it necessary, even with the "necessary and proper" clause, to explicitly place the power to punish for certain specific issues in the Constitution. AND explain WHY other punishment grants are not necessary if the ones in the Constitution were.
In black and white, the feds have no authority to fine the people.
Nunya| 12.16.10 @ 12:57PM
While you may be correct Constitutionally, try telling that to all those in prison for evading taxes.
DG| 12.20.10 @ 6:50PM
But Nunya, Congress does have the authority to raise taxes for the general welfare. And because it does the government may impose fines for non-compliance under the necessary and proper clause. For instance, how to have an army for a common defense? The penalty for not buying health insurance is not a tax. First the horse, then the cart. The law must first be constitutional. If not, the necessary and proper clause does not apply.
DG| 12.20.10 @ 6:34PM
You've hit the nail on the head. They do not know the difference between authority and power.
David| 12.16.10 @ 12:21PM
Im looking forward to the day when a future republican congress and senate pass the Militia Defense Act requiring every citizen to possess and own an assualt rifle for the defense of the nation.
George S| 12.16.10 @ 12:23PM
The original House bill, HR 3962, called the penalty for not buying insurance a "Tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage". Note the word 'tax' and not 'penalty'. Yet the Senate version signed into law, HR 3590, replaces the word 'tax' with 'penalty'. The reason is most likely that the Senate is prohibited by the antiquated Constitution from raising revenue, i.e., by taxation, and the fact that HR 3590 was a shell of a bill. It would have made an interesting test case -- could the Senate gut an unrelated House bill and "amend" it through conference with the House to institute a revenue bill? After all, if the word 'tax' remained in the final version, we would have been screwed because the power to raise taxes for the general welfare trumps any commerce clause argument. But it didn't remain because it would have violated the Constitution for the Senate to author a revenue bill.
So how can the Court ignore the Senate changing the language to comply with the Constitution? Does that not show a conscious and premeditated intent to circumvent the law? That alone should be enough to shake some sense into Anthony Kennedy.
Al Adab| 12.16.10 @ 12:28PM
Constitution? Why bother? We have a government of the best and brightest right now. Surely they know what we need. After all central planning is clearly superior to free market madness any day. If we got all hung up on enumerated powers the federal government would be small and only dealing with imports, coinage and defense. What would become of all the employees in those agencies taking care of us?
John Navratil| 12.16.10 @ 1:23PM
Al Adab,
Perhaps they could pick strawberries?
Al Adab| 12.16.10 @ 1:46PM
John,
Ahhh, Si. Es muy bueno.
Garry Owen| 12.16.10 @ 12:38PM
Throw the bums out!
carnot| 12.16.10 @ 2:17PM
boycott tourism to NV, CA, MI, NY.
boycott Union made products.
boycott GM & Chrysler.
pick your charities very carefully.
actively engage in supporting opposition candidates come 2012.
Oldefarte| 12.16.10 @ 4:00PM
The sole purpose of Obamacare is to provide medical/health insurance welfare. Just as the CRA of 1977 began the process of AFFORDABLE HOMES welfare, which has now resulted in a credit/housing crisis, so too will the health insurance welfare eventually result in insurance company bankruptcies, medical care deteriation, governmental expense increases, higher taxes to fund same,etc. But hey, that's what Democrats want isn't it, to revolutionary destroy this country? If you want to view the future of this country, take a hard look at what is currently happening in Europe, especially Greece and Italy!!!!!!!!!!
Mel Torme| 12.16.10 @ 9:13PM
Wrong article for your comment, LED - I think you may have burned out a diode or two.
Dean from Ohio| 12.16.10 @ 10:21PM
If the Constitution is not binding, then neither are their laws. Only raw power remains. Perhaps the governed will decide to exert raw power to free themselves from the shackles of their arrogant masters in Washington. If that ever happens, it is not likely to go well for said masters.
hank williams| 12.16.10 @ 10:35PM
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Cynical Observer| 12.16.10 @ 11:18PM
I was interested to read the following Justice Department quote in a related article in the Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703395204576023733405954012.html): "Ian Gershengorn, a Justice Department lawyer representing the administration, said the health insurance market is unlike any other, since all Americans at some point get medical care. Requiring them to carry insurance is just a way of regulating how they pay for it, and preventing all those with insurance coverage from subsidizing the cost of others' uncompensated care, he said."
First, NOT all Americans get medical care at some point. Christian Scientists don't, so is the federal government going to ignore their religious beliefs? Is that constitutional?
Second, haven't courts generally ruled that those of legal age and sound mind can refuse medical care? If the government can't force you to accept medical care, how can it compel you to buy insurance for that care?
Third, if the administration is worried about the uninsured being subsidized by those with coverage, why is it forcing people who are current with their mortgages, or who don't even own a home, to "subsidize" the strategic defaulters, etc.? After all, every American lives somewhere ...
Osamas Pajamas| 12.17.10 @ 12:29AM
I think that all the Congressional Democrats and collaborationist Republicans should be horsewhipped daily.
led screen| 12.17.10 @ 3:03AM
Imagine what would happen if everyone waited to buy car insurance until after they got in an accident. Premiums would skyrocket, coverage would be unaffordable, and responsible drivers would be priced out of the market."
duck| 12.17.10 @ 12:01PM
That is what is called 'pre-existing condition' ....
duck| 12.17.10 @ 12:48PM
If 'nonactivity' can be regulated by the government, this logic, by extension, can be brought into any area of law. TSA can then, for example, treat the non-flying public as possible terrorists and apply their search and destroy tactics on non-flyers or force the non-flying public to fly or face huge fines and jail time.
You don't want to buy a new car ??? Well, the government logic says they can not only force you to buy a new car, they have the right to tell you what make, model, color that car will be and where you buy it from whether you want it or not. The price of the vehicle will be set by the government and shall be sold for no more and no less. After you have paid for the car, a government panel will be informed and they will let you know when you can take possession of the vehicle. The government will keep track of the mileage of your car before and after it is in you care, and when a certain number of miles has accrued which is to be decided by another government panel, the car will be destroyed. Then the process begins all over again. The salary of the car salesman will be set by the government and no amount of work on the salesman's part will allow him to make any more money. The car dealership will limit it's profit margin to a percentage that the government will decree on an individual basis.
Judicial decree has been found that interstate commerce to include any action or inaction that an individual might take, so in the name of freedom, fairness, and equality under the living, breathing constitution, you will conduct your affairs in a matter prescribed by the government.
DG| 12.20.10 @ 6:40PM
!!!
John| 12.19.10 @ 9:00AM
How long will it take before Obamacare camps will be established and "patients" transported to these "spas" in cattle cars?
REB| 12.21.10 @ 12:24AM
Hell will freeze over forever before this boy complies...time to burn it all down and build it again!