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High Spirits
Hear, Hear
Examination of conscience is always a challenging task — no less so when the issue is the Afghanistan war.
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Sadly, whether you approach it historically, theologically, or militarily, the quagmire in Afghanistan is destined to get much, much worse.
I will leave the last word to my mother, whose Afghan nursemaids had taught her fluent Pashto. Shortly before she passed away in her 95th year she addressed Tony Blair in this language. As he appeared on her television screen announcing that the British troop commitment in Helmand province was to be increased to 10,000 soldiers, my mother wagged her finger at the prime minister and said some angry words in her best Pashto. She translated them as: “Those Afghans will give us a bloody nose again.”
This is exactly what has been happening and will go on happening until we find how to disentangle the forces of NATO and the United States from an increasingly unjust and unwinnable war.
About the Author
Jonathan Aitken, The American Spectator’s High Spirits columnist, is most recently author of John Newton: From Disgrace to Amazing Grace (Crossway Books). His biographies include Charles W. Colson: A Life Redeemed (Doubleday) and Nixon: A Life, now available in a new paperback edition (Regnery).
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Harry| 12.9.10 @ 7:12AM
I don'tknow if the war is "unjust and unwinnable." The difficulty of campaigning in Afghanistan has been exaggerated and mythologised for various reasons by various parties. But a towering, astounding fact which virtually no-one seems to have commnented on is the lack of any real anti-war movement, compared to Vietnam, where we were protecting a group of countries from direct communist aggression.
I have not heard of a "peace movment" of any size regarding Afghanistan, although ot would be easier to make an argument againt the war there than against the war in Vietnam. The reason? The "Peace movement" was never anything but a Soviet puppet. No Soviet Union, no "peace" movement.
sjay| 12.9.10 @ 8:09PM
Don't presume zebras when you hear hoofbeats --- no draft, no peace movement.
Alan Brooks| 12.9.10 @ 8:26PM
Exactly.
That's what these Archie Bunkers can't get: the anti-war activists they despised from '65 to '72 were created by conscription.
Why would they have wanted to fight LBJ's suicidal war?
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.9.10 @ 7:53AM
Mr. Aitken,
Thank you.
I commented on Mr. Regnery's. article at the time.
You have reflected my thinking ...a lot.
Reagan Loyalist| 12.9.10 @ 1:37PM
Along with Old Texan, Mr. Regnery, George Will and many others, I cannot see a win nor can I see justifiable reason for this too long massive ground war.
Thanks for this piece.
George True| 12.9.10 @ 8:49AM
There is no easy or simple solution in Afghanistan. There may be no solution at all. The mission we originally went there to do, removing the Taliban from power, was accomplished in 2002. Since then we have unfortunately been operating by Colin Powell's doctrine of "You break it, you own it". While this is generally good policy, I do not believe it necessarily applies in every circumstance, especially this one. My inclination would be to declare victory and get out fast.
Except for one thing. If (when) we leave, the Taliban will most likely resume control and turn the country back into an Islamic theocracy in very short order. Then they will devote their efforts into destabilizing and overthrowing the marginally secular government of their next door neighbor Pakistan. When they do, they will install a similar theocratic government there, perhaps with the Taliban calling most of the shots. We will then have an Iran-style Islamic theocracy in possession of 70 nuclear warheads. That is the real risk of our failure in Afghanistan.
ncatty| 12.9.10 @ 9:40AM
We are wearing down our military in a place where we no longer have any national defense interest.
George True| 12.9.10 @ 10:16AM
Neatty, consider the scenario I outlined in my comment just about yours. Would that constitute a legitimate national defense interest? I am not necessarily saying we should stay in Afghanistan. But if we get out, we need to be very clear about what the ultimate consequence of that decision may be.
Since the nuclear genie was let out of the bottle 65 years ago, only rational governments have possessed nuclear weapons. Regardless ofthe fact that the Soviets and the Chinese were totalitarian regimes, they are nonetheless rational. Mutual assured destruction was more than sufficient to deter them from ever launching a nuke, the same as it was for us. And the governments of England, France, Germany, Israel, India, and even Pakistan have always been rational regarding the non-proliferation and non-use of nukes because they are all secular governments.
But now we have a new situation the world has never seen before, namely non-rational, fanatical, theocratic governments about to get their hands on nuclear weapons. How would you feel if the Taliban gained possession of Pakistan's 70 nukes? What might they decide to do with them? Might they give a few of them to Iran, or perhaps to Al Qaida?
If I were president
George True| 12.9.10 @ 10:24AM
Sorry, computer glitch. As I was saying, if I were president, I would tell the Iraqis, "Boys, we've given you a republic, if you can keep it. Now we're outta here". At the same time, I would tell Karzai, "You can be corrupt, or you can be a leader. If you choose to be corrupt, you will end up fleeing your country in the near future, because we are outta here". Then I would bring our forces home by way of Pakistan, and take their nukes while we were passing through.
But that's just me.
Christopher| 12.9.10 @ 10:42AM
It seems history will show that Biden was the smartest figure in the Obama administration. The military derided him by calling him "biteme" because he asked questions they could not answer. Conservatives are making a mistake being gung ho for the Afghan War. After nine years what are we still there for? If Obama wants to leave July 2011, why not leave now?
Roger McKinney| 12.9.10 @ 12:01PM
Maybe the British couldn't conquer Afghanistan, but Alexander the Great did and so did the Persian empire, which held it for centuries. Nevertheless, I agree with Aitken that the current was is a complete waste of men and money. The Afghan Northern Alliance drove the Taliban out with just a little help from our Special Forces. So why do we need to be there now? If they can drive out the Taliban they can keep them out and don't need decades of training costing millions. We should merely provide them with weapons and some aerial support and nothing else.
Pat| 12.9.10 @ 1:03PM
When it comes to waging war, Washington is much like Las Vegas in certain respects. You’ve no doubt heard it said: “the House always wins” – and you probably know that means some lucky soul, face lit by an enormous grin, will hit the Big Spin jackpot every so often, but over the long term the Casino will come out ahead – in fact, must come out ahead, it’s preordained. So it is with our wars, Washington always manages to come out ahead. You can protest in the streets against the most recent “forever war”, you can even march on the Pentagon in vast numbers to stop the present “war of liberation” we’re waging against some third world pest hole.
You can vote for the guy who swears on the souls of his children he will “end the war” if elected, but, even when you do, more young soldiers continue to die. Were you taken in by slick talk and sincere promises? Were you manipulated by a politician and a political party into casting your vote in their favor but, all the while, the politicians know that once elected the situation will suddenly become much more “complex” meaning our poorly paid, self-sacrificing soldiers continue to die in “service to their country”.
Like the House in Vegas parlance, Washington always wins – there’s nothing you can do to actually stop these wars, no amount of words or waving signs or group chanting helps – the power to put an end to “forever wars” doesn’t reside in us everyday citizens.
We’re forced to agree, reluctantly or otherwise, that we must maintain a strong military to “defend American interests” – but, once that agreement is obtained, the decisions are no longer our own, it’s out of our hands, wiser heads will decide where those “interests” lie and how much force will be applied. And once those “wiser heads” decide, the commitment isn’t easily revoked, mistakes aren’t readily admitted to, the dead and wounded are honored for their sacrifice but the war goes on – and on.
Maybe the third world pest hole we should be cleaning out lies on the banks of the Potomac.
Alan Brooks| 12.9.10 @ 3:17PM
America's most just war was the war against the Confederacy. Thankfully, the witch Dixie was flung to the dirt where she belongs.
And today her memory is cursed in both Heaven and Hell.
May the Confederate flag burn in a smoke-filled Hell forevermore.
George True| 12.9.10 @ 3:33PM
Stop mincing words, Alan. Tell us how you really feel.
Alan Brooks| 12.9.10 @ 3:54PM
Alright, then (since you ask), the South has the lowest crime rate, the highest standard of living, and all those Confederate monuments remind us of a better time, before the Confederacy was so rudely interrupted in the wicked year of 1865.
I'm sure Red Phillips would agree.
Alan Brooks| 12.9.10 @ 3:55PM
...ALRIGHTY?
W| 12.10.10 @ 7:18AM
Alan, try to focus on the year 2010, not 1865,
Rob| 12.9.10 @ 4:11PM
If we surrender Afghanistan to the Taliban, it may not be long before Pakistan also falls to them--and Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Wouldn't prevention of this from occurring be a just cause, even if the process of preventing it benefits some criminals, provided that they are less criminal than the Taliban? Ugh, what terrible choices.
Helen| 12.9.10 @ 6:24PM
If I had been an adviser to Bush, before his sent the first troops to Afghanistan, I would have urged him to pick up his direct line to Moscow and ask the Russians if they would like to join us. American and all of the West would be safer with the Pakistani nukes in Russian hands.
Together, America and Russia could have crushed both the Taliban and the Warlords.
Alan Brooks| 12.9.10 @ 8:31PM
The Russians suffered too many casualties in Afghanistan. The Russians invading Pakistan would be comparable to America re-invading Vietnam.
bluecollarbytes| 12.9.10 @ 10:19PM
What we here call corruption is just 'business' in Afghanistan. We knew that from the early days after going in. It, corruption, was used to supplement the relatively smaller numbers of forces we'd committed as a means of changing the reality on the ground.
There is still an arguably-legitimate reason for being there with regards to terrorist plots against us and the world, and the threat to control over Pakistan nukes. Whether these can be handled in a better way, it probably won't under Obama.
It would take a president who is willing to actively lead , taking calculated risks- with a willingness to adapt to miscalculation when needed, like in war.
Korengali| 12.10.10 @ 12:42AM
Going back through the article, I believe that it is important to note that no country has conquered Afghanistan post "just war" as per Aquinas et. al- the Oceanic Ruler G. Khan and Alexander waged a historical form of total war that would have emberassed Hitler. I'm simply making an observation and absolutely not making any recommendations- my humanity has its base in the protection of innocent human life. For everyone's sanity let's fish or cut bait here. I've spent my post 9-11 life in trade for the taxpayers money as a soldier by chance smack in the middle of some of the most significant fighting of both theaters. I was there taking back Fallujah and I was there in the Korengal valley- my team and I will very likely play a significant role in the Korengal's retaking! On the flip side, I was in Iraq for the elections in 2005 and in Afghanistan for the 2005 and 2010 elections, these are the most significant direct fruits I believe my fight has borne. Just like my fellow servicemembers, I will faithfully execute the lawful orders of my leadership, but for God's sake Pershing sent his soldiers over the top after the armistice was signed in 1918, and if we're done here so be it! Guys- I'm no whiner and I believe we all want to fix this and depart with honor. The decision to leave, although gut wrenching, must be discussed. Every American should take this discussion very personally.
-K
For the 1,400 lost, please never forget them in this.
Korengali| 12.10.10 @ 12:47AM
//embarrassed// indeed.