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Tea Timing Republicans
The Tea Party is the latest wave of new energy and activism and voters into the Republican Party.
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The Tea Party avoided the dangers of Caesarism, or Perotism, by refusing to name a pope or king or spokesman. Consequently, it cannot be beheaded by the establishment media — who thought they could do this by attacking Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Sarah Palin.
Conservatives were spared certain disaster when the Tea Party movement refused to create a third party that could have split the Center-Right vote in 50 states and created a permanent left-wing majority in the House and Senate. Historians will wonder at how close we came to losing everything.
And, by creating the movement that will vote against overspending, the Tea Party movement completes the Center-Right coalition. Already there were identifiable structures and groups that would abandon the Republican Party if it raised taxes, supported gun control, attacked parental choice in education, or threatened religious liberty…and now there is a large and visible group that will leave the room if “spend too much” — the George W. Bush disease — rears its head again.
The Tea Party movement has proved it strengthens the Center-Right. We have seen its turnout for public rallies. We detect its numbers in the polling data. And, with its active participation within the Republican Party primaries, it has helped nominate candidates that are, with a few possible exceptions, both more Reaganite and more electable.
In contrast to the observation of the results of Stalin’s purge trials where it was said there would now be fewer, but better, communists, the Tea Party activism in Republican primaries and the November 2 election will result in more and better Reagan Republicans.
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Charity in Truth| 11.30.10 @ 8:04AM
Laus Deo!!!
Yea, for the Tea Party!
Alan Brooks| 11.30.10 @ 8:00PM
"Laus Deo"
"Lousy deal"?
Yes, the Tea Party is a lousy deal.
Alan Brooks| 11.30.10 @ 9:08PM
Grover Norquist:
"I simply want to reduce [the state] to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."
During wartime? if Norquist had been in charge of WWII, we'd be slaves of Japan and Germany today.
simon templar| 12.1.10 @ 6:03PM
Now, that's lame even for you! Have you forgotten the Partys line, All conservatives are war mongers and imperialist?
Matthew Quigley| 11.30.10 @ 8:34AM
As usual, Norquist has it wrong. The TEA Party movement is NOT a good thing for Republicans, but for Conservatism. If Norquist could get himself out of his pro-Palestinian and Beltway bubbles, he might grasp that. But I doubt this elitist twerp would deign to do either.
Derek Leaberry| 11.30.10 @ 1:37PM
Aptly put. Open-borders zealot and sell-out Norquist is part of the problem. He is not part of the solution.
Chilli| 11.30.10 @ 2:12PM
Indeed. Norquist is self-serving as usual, and thinking it's pie when it's actually cake.
Alan Brooks| 11.30.10 @ 9:12PM
Quote unquote:
"I simply want to reduce [the state] to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."
Now, Norquist did gp on to qualify the above coarse ejaculation (no jokes please); however it was a gratutitous soundbite for a well-known commentator to make.
Nancy in NC| 11.30.10 @ 10:46AM
The Tea Party could help the GOP if they would only listen. If they don't get the message, there will be serious consequences in 2012.
Alan Brooks| 11.30.10 @ 9:14PM
"serious consequences"
DUH!
PattyMor| 11.30.10 @ 2:19PM
The Republican establishment is full of "big government" liberals. They don't want the conservatives upsetting their little march to total control. So witness the stooge Republicans who supported the Food bill which passed the Senate today. It doesn't matter to them that a lot of small farmers will be put out of business. They claim so want small government, but they keep voting for more government. Their actions belie their rhetoric.
Well, I say let's primary every Republican who voted for this food bill and every one who voted to put Eric Holder in as Attorney General.
Until we cleanse the Republicans of the liberals, we march to the control of central command. Taking for themselves, power that was not their to have.
Al Adab| 11.30.10 @ 2:46PM
Following the vote today on the earmark ban, eight- the egregious eight- GOP Senators need to be out. The TEA party and the Conservative movement can come together to defeat these betrayers. There can be no compromise with failure and there is no substitute for Victory. Bury them with e-mail and revisit the ban ASAP.
Alex Reagan | 11.30.10 @ 2:59PM
This is how Ron Paul said it had to be done...instead of a 3rd party, we had to take over the Republican Party, because the 2 party system makes it impossible for anyone else to participate.
If the Tea Party can stay focused on small government, sound money and the Constitution, instead of empire building wars and religious based social conservatism...it should prove successful in the coming years.
www.ilovegenerationx.com
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 3:32PM
The only thing Ron Paulism can take over are weak minds.
America will NEVER become an anarchist state, nor will it EVER become isolationist, anti-war, anti-Religious or anti-Israel.
So much for Ron Paulism Libertarianism!
Lostinliberty| 11.30.10 @ 4:25PM
Why is it people always label Paul and his supporters as extreme? You want to know whats extreme? Getting our balls knocked around to get on a plane. Bombing Pakistan. Killing innocent people constantly. Permanently embedding ourselves in a land that will never stop fighting us. A Fed that is destroying our dollar. Bailing out failures. Propping up bad debt. The Patriot Act. Military Commissions Act. Those are just a few of the things this Paul supporter proudly defends.
So much for common sense! So sick of would-be conservatism. Either stand up or get the hell out of the way.
Occam's Tool| 11.30.10 @ 10:19PM
Mr. Lost:
Ask yourself if you support Dennis Kucinich or Noam Chomsky on foreign policy. If you do, you support Ron Paul on foreign policy. If you don't, then you don't. Margie is correct, as usual.
Alex Reagan | 11.30.10 @ 4:58PM
Weak Minds? Seems the only weak mind here is you. You don't even know what libertarianism is. It is not anti-religious, anarchist, or isolationist.
We simply do not believe in pre-emptive war, nation-building, and empire expansion. It is all an illusion! Our government is not trying to protect us and expand freedom. It is a natural resources power grab. We were for Osama Bin Laden before we were against him, same with Saddam Hussein. Our foreign policy is a joke, and the rest of the world knows it. Americans just don't care.
It is not in our Constitution that we have some holy calling to defend Israel at all costs. If you want to be religious, go ahead. But, your religious views should not influence public policy.
It is not in our best interest to get involved in foreign entanglements. Diplomacy and free trade with all nations is not isolationist.
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 6:06PM
Exhibits A & B.
What you spout is NOT conservatism.
It's BULL.
Like I said:
America will NEVER become the anarchistic, Isolationist, anti-Religious, and anti-Israel country you Paul-bots want it to become.
Dream on.
Brent| 11.30.10 @ 6:30PM
I suggest you read Barry Goldwater's "Conscience of a Conservative". You will then realize you are nothing but a big government authoritarian imperialist twit.
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 7:04PM
Blah, blah, blah. Same old same old. No, what I've discovered is that Libertarianism is all of the above that I mentioned. It isn't conservative. And what I've discovered is that Barry Goldwater lost his mind in the end.. the Libertarianism of today that espouses Leftist policies.. again what I said, above.. anti-war, anti-Religion, anti-laws, anti-Israel.. are NOT conservative!
You can call it that, but it doesn't make it that.
Twiltle-dee dee and Twiltle-dee dum all you want.
America will NEVER become what you want it to become.
There are way more conservatives than there are Leftist Libertarians!
So... dream on!
Herb Tarlek| 11.30.10 @ 7:32PM
Margie is right. Libertarians will never be in power because they are insufficiently supportive of Israel.
Clint| 11.30.10 @ 9:21PM
Ronald Reagan:
"I continue to believe that a just and lasting settlement, based on United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, is within reach. The security of Israel and other nations of the region and the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people can and should be addressed in direct negotiations. It is time to put this tragedy to rest and turn the page to a new and happier chapter."
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 9:27PM
Yes but Tim*, I mean "Clint", the Palestinians never did agree to anything, now did they? Hmm. Still don't. Hmm.
Now why is it that you are using a different name? Same repeated quotations, same lame attempts at your anti-Israel justification.. just now you cannot get on with the name calling, eh? LOL.
Clint| 11.30.10 @ 9:51PM
" The Oslo Accords were subsequently officially signed at a public ceremony in Washington, DC on 13 September 1993, in the presence of PLO chairman Yasser Arafat, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and US President Bill Clinton. The documents themselves were signed by Mahmoud Abbas for the PLO, foreign Minister Shimon Peres for Israel, Secretary of State Warren Christopher for the United States and foreign minister Andrei Kozyrev for Russia."
Next:
I'd tell ya, but then I'd have to Kill Ya,Israel Firster. Talk to James, He Be Da Boss Man.
Ronald Reagan:
“I want to make the American position well understood, the purpose of this [initiative] is the peaceful and orderly transfer of authority from Israel to the Palestinian inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza.”
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 10:09PM
Timmy* is threatening again, moderators. Please take note.
Does AmSpec really truly condone this?
You banned him, and he is back.
Brent| 12.1.10 @ 4:00PM
Margie, How are you any different than a Liberal Democrat? Democrats want to steal my money through taxation and give it to their favorite charity, the poor.
You want to steal my money through taxation and give it to you favorite charity, Israel. If you think it's so important to support Israel, why don't you get out your check book and support them? Just like the democrats, when its your money, Oh well, your money is too valuable, When its the public's money, that's worthless, lets just give it away.
Margie| 12.1.10 @ 9:55PM
Well Brent.. as usual the Libertarian assigns to me things that are false.. and goes from there.
1. How am I different from a Liberal Democrat?
Read my posts.
2. You lied. I do not want to steal yours or anyone else's money. And my favorite charity is Angel Tree. It sends the children of imprisoned parents gifts for Christmas, along with the gospel message of Jesus Christ.
http://www.angeltree.org/deliverlove-what
But my very favorite for life is Voice of the Martyrs. They send food, clothing and Bibles to the persecuted Christians in Communist countries.
http://www.persecution.com/
As to Israel, I simply believe in backing our allies, and Israel is really the only true ally in the Mid-East! The prejudiced among us do not. They have their hatred and it overtakes their minds.
Does it overtake yours?
Austrian School| 12.2.10 @ 11:31AM
Margie,
The fact that we are having this debate means that libertarian thought has a beachhead in the fight for the Republican party. We are not leaving anytime soon, so you should start accepting our positions and the role of Ron Paul in rejuvenating the party.
Margie| 12.2.10 @ 1:17PM
Actually, "libertarian thought" isn't what I'm speaking to. It's Leftist Libertarianism, which is anti-Israel and anti-war, and anti-religion.
The only "libertarian" thought that agrees with conservatism is the parts about wanting freedom.
That said~ the Anarchistic faction that Ronald Reagan spoke about in the actual Libertarian Party is what is wrong, and anti-American, and I take my stand against it.
Now, I'd say that you should get used to the fact that the majority of Americans also reject Ron Paul's Libertarianism. I will remind you of what he's said:
"The terrorists are terrorists because of us!"
Great to have things put in their proper perspective when others try and misrepresent, isn't it?
Yes, it is!
Occam's Tool| 11.30.10 @ 10:22PM
Israel is the formost buffer state against expansion of Sharia law. I don't want my daughter sexually harassed by thugs, Alex. And my dear boy, you couldn't come within sniffing range of my IQ. Your mind to mine is as an amoeba. Sorry. Tag, Margie. Your turn to hit him.
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 10:35PM
Well Occam, I'm supposed to keep my mouth shut around here. They just banned me but a friendly editor allowed me back. There are some editors who agree with these people. They tried to say it was because I name-called. You have seen how vicious some are.. now Tim* is back posting as Clint. Apparently it's OK for him to spew his hatred and I'm not allowed to talk back.
I am not name calling, I am speaking the truth.
If you don't see me here anymore, it is not because of supposed name calling, which I haven't done.
Note Clint's (Tim*s) post below regarding the letter to Boehner and McConnell. These violent thugs, and that is what they are~ really intend on deceiving.. and taking over the Republican party.
I've posted here numerous times as to the truth about them. The anti-Israel crowd are bound and determined. In the name of Libertarianism, of course, and so-called less government, to get their ilk elected. They cannot get elected as Republicans unless they hide it. Ron Paul's insanity is clear, and his anti-Israel stance is why he will never get elected to office.
As to his son, he already has aligned himself with the anti-war crowd. Adam Kokesh. He starts voting along the same lines as his Daddy, and he won't see a future as President, either. Right now Ron Paul is voting along with many, many Leftists to defund our military. That includes Barney Frank.
This is why I say and it is a fact, that the Libertarian party of today shares its "values" with the Left.
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 10:37PM
Meant to say above, R. Paul will never get elected.. to the office of President. Thank God.
Alex Reagan | 11.30.10 @ 10:41PM
I don't care if I'm called a conservative or not. I am proud to be a libertarian. My views are based on logic and don't discriminate. You people are so wrapped up in the left/right, conservative/liberal garbage...Occam and Margie...you are impossible to have an intelligent debate with.
I am glad you have bought into the fear and hate machine fed to you by your neocon leaders. Israel is a buffer state against Sharia law? Hilarious. That is one of the most foolish statements I have ever heard. You want to protect your daughter from thugs? What the heck is that about? It is not our job to fund Israel. It is not in the Constitution. End of story. Hell...it's not even in the bible...because today's Israel was created by the UN in 1948.
Margie...the USA will never become what you want it to be. Why? Because you are not my king. You can't dictate religion in a free country. As a "religious" person you should support the Christian just war theory...instead of this pre-emptive nonsense.
By the way, Occam, I am a 33 year old woman...not your dear boy.
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 11:08PM
Alex,
Actually, I love America just the way it is.. I don't want it to change.
I go by reality. I don't appreciate the hatred of Israel, hatred of Christianity, and lawless society that Libertarianism desires.
Other than that, Libertarianism's just peachy.
Dear young lady, I have no animosity towards you, only what you seem to believe. Ok?
I believe in Just War~ killing the enemy. Like Martha Stewart likes to say.. "it's a GOOD thing." Of course, she wasn't talking about war.. but baking cookies, heh.
Austrian School| 12.2.10 @ 11:32AM
Margie,
The fact that we are having this debate means that libertarian thought has a beachhead in the fight for the Republican party. We are not leaving anytime soon, so you should start accepting our positions and the role of Ron Paul in rejuvenating the party.
Tom Beebe| 12.5.10 @ 6:12PM
Totally agree. But may I add, the TP should set their sights on corruption as enemy #1. Enemy of the state, as pthe governed will loose confidence in a corrupt government and overthrow it. Enemy of freedom, for corrupted officials care nothing about your liberty. I suggest campaign finance reform, denying to groups the right to hide sources of contributions and to mscle in their special interest, for which they were formed. retain without limitation the freedom of individuals to contribute, so long as its made public. then add term limits to reduce the value of incumbents to those who would bribe them. Finally reform the tax code, excluding from a flat rate only health care, education and a generous personal exemption. In short, tax equally everybody's DISPOSABLE income. Come join me in this quest. tbeebe6535@yahoo
greg| 11.30.10 @ 3:55PM
The author is terribly mistaken if he sees the latest election as a victory and mandate for the Republican Party. The GOP is even more despised than the Democratic party, voters just had no where else to turn.
Don't be surprised when the pendulum swings yet again once the elected tea-partiers focus on social issues after running on fiscal issues.
Al Adab| 11.30.10 @ 4:00PM
You are correct that the late election was no vote of confidence in the GOP. The earmark vote proves again why the Republicans have much to prove to Conservatives. It is terrifying to realize that these appropriations committee Republicans still think they can buy our votes with handouts of other people's money. NO MORE
Lostinliberty| 11.30.10 @ 4:29PM
Oh yea? Just wait and see how fast Rand Paul rises in the GOP. Im with Grover on this one. All you folks that thought we were going to go away... We didnt. When Ron announces his bid, his coffers will fill and his network, now 4 years experienced is going to out manuver, out smart and out work the rest of them.
I can promise you this. It will NOT be a repeat of the 08 campaign.
GabeNTx| 11.30.10 @ 4:34PM
You are very right.... and I CANNOT WAIT!!!
Al Adab| 11.30.10 @ 5:01PM
I don't think my comments had anything to do with Mr. Paul. He is simply one name among many out there. We as Conservatives, not as Republicans and not as Libertarians, need to concentrate on the What not on the Who. Cream will rise to the top and the Who will become plain.
Clint| 11.30.10 @ 7:11PM
Agreed.
As others have pointed out.
Ronald Reagan July,1975:
" If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.
Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path."
Alex Reagan | 11.30.10 @ 5:40PM
Amen and Amen...
Margie| 12.2.10 @ 1:19PM
"The Constitution was designed for a moral and RELIGIOUS people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other."
- Thomas Jefferson.
Amen and Amen!
Occam's Tool| 11.30.10 @ 10:23PM
No, it won't be a repeat of 2008, but Ron "terrorist poster boy" Paul is going nowhere in the Republican Party. Some of us aren't traitors.
RCV| 12.1.10 @ 1:58PM
Ron Paul is viewed by the general electorate for what he is: a joke. The notion that he could have any general appeal beyond the anarchists of the left and right is nonsense. "Paul/Chomsky in 2012"? I think not.
serfer62| 11.30.10 @ 4:02PM
The main target for the 2012 elctions must be the elitist/rinos in the GOP. First via the primaries, then through the elections.
Secoundary targets are the Kommiecrats. Although this seems backward at first the senate will become GOP just through math and the house will gain again. But its the DC GOP that needs to go for conservatism to win.
Dan| 11.30.10 @ 5:05PM
Non conservative, beltway, elitist Republican congressmen will do everything they can to destroy the Tea Party and as a result the Democrats will be back in 2012. I hope this does not happen, but unless the incoming Republicans and their leadership remember why they were elected and stop trying to make nice to Obama, they will be out in 2012. It has happened to the party before.
A.C.Guard| 11.30.10 @ 5:13PM
My fear is the Republicans and their weak leaders, McConnell and Boehner will be co-opted by Obama. Since neither of these Republicans are conservatives, the new Tea Party congressmen must hold their feet to the fire of conservative thinking. If not all is lost.
Clint| 11.30.10 @ 5:53PM
The Second Tsunami Tea Party Wave will come in The 2012 Republican Primaries.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 11.30.10 @ 7:14PM
When I read articles like this I wonder if the Republicans are finished.
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 7:31PM
The TEA party does NOT equal Ron Paul Lefty Libertarianism, though that is what they try and claim.
The TEA party is is made up of regular Americans from all walks of life who want to take back the country from the Leftists.
The Ron Paul faction is still a very small part of it and their violent anti-conservative Leftist Libertarianism is NOT what most Americans want, thank God!
America will always be STRONG militarily, STRONG allies of Israel, STRONG on Religious freedom, and STRONG on the rule of Law and the Constitution. THAT is Conservatism.
Ronald Reagan was very pro-Israel, and STRONG on defense.
He would DESPISE the Leftist anti-war and anti-Israel Libertarianism of today.
Fiscal responsibility alone does not a conservative make! One cannot consider America the "Aggressor" and "murderer of millions" and call themselves a conservative! THAT is enemy-speak!
"Know thy Enemy!"
John| 11.30.10 @ 10:16PM
I do not agree with everything Ron Paul believes, however he is not a left libertarian as you would state. He is a right libertarian, and you are a fascist. Wow, your a loon.
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 10:22PM
Spoken like a true Libertarian.
Clint| 11.30.10 @ 11:12PM
You don't know what you're talking about.
There are at least 10 major types of Libertarians and many shades of those 10 major types.
Fiscal Libertarianism:
Fiscal libertarians believe in free trade, low (or nonexistent) taxes, and minimal (or nonexistent) corporate regulation. Most traditional Republicans are moderate fiscal libertarians.
Neolibertarians:
Neolibertarians are fiscal libertarians who support a strong military, and believe that the U.S. government should use that military to overthrow dangerous and oppressive regimes. It is their emphasis on military intervention that distinguishes them from paleolibertarians (see below), and gives them reason to make common cause with neoconservatives.
Paleolibertarianism:
Paleolibertarians differ from neolibertarians in that they are non-interventionists who do not believe that the United States should become entangled in international affairs. They also tend to be suspicious of international coalitions such as the United Nations, liberal immigration policies, and other potential threats to cultural stability.
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 11:23PM
So what?
And the fact is... I DO know what I'm talking about. It's why you hate me so much! LOL.
I don't care what anybody calls themselves, if they are anti-Christian, which is anti-God, anti-Israel and anti-American values, and wants to "cut out social conservatism in this country"~ THAT is WRONG.
If all of the above, and then some, wish to vote in the elections for conservative Republicans, I'm all for it.
My beef is with those of you who fit the description I just named.
Clint| 12.1.10 @ 12:08AM
Obviously, You Don't Care.
You're A Crazed NutBag.
Memo To Zany Bigot Broad: We Catholics are Christians Too and Our Pope Doesn't Demand That We Follow Your Fanatic Israel Firster RINO-CINO Agenda
And As Tea Party Rebels The Same Is True.
Stick Your Beef Insane Joisey Head Case.
Margie| 12.1.10 @ 12:11AM
Oh moderators, where are you?
Yoo hoo.
RCV| 12.1.10 @ 2:00PM
The banned Tim* is the only poster who capitalizes each word of his junior high babblings.
Occam's Tool| 11.30.10 @ 10:28PM
John, go to THOMAS and look up Ron Paul's foreign policy votes and compare to Dennis Kucinich. Proof is in pudding. He is not a Conservative. He is a Libertarian, Liberal on social issues such as drug legalization, and farther to the left than Obama on foreign policy. You can call him a Righty all you want. The vote record shows differently. Feel free to call me a fascist. Name calling is the last resort of the intellectually challenged. I am a Mensan. Your mind to mine is as an amoeba.
Tag. Your turn to hit him, Margie.
Occam's Tool| 11.30.10 @ 10:33PM
Dear margie:
I apologize for my vulgar joke, telling JOHN to go to THOMAS, even though THOMAS is what I say it is.
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 10:57PM
OT,
I guess it's good that I don't get the joke. :^)
Anyhow, isn't it interesting that because of the values that I espoused the Libertarians consider me a Fascist? That has amazed me from Day One of posting here. I have learned more about the Leftist mind by coming here than I could have ever learned if I had gone to University.. if there was one that taught this sort of thing.
The Leftist mind, I say, because that is what is is. I mean, just look at what they are actually rebelling against in what I said there! Only Leftists could possibly even fathom to disagree with it.
I have always said this, too: Read David Horowitz. Google The Leftist Mind. He has it down pat. The Libertarians hate him, too.
John | 12.1.10 @ 12:01AM
Clint is right. Sorry, I Don't like putting labels on people, but polarizing issues just doesn't cut it for me. Leftist mind? what is a leftist mind? what is a rightist mind? explain it to me please. I called you a loon because you think its appropriate to use military might at will without looking at the consequences.
Oceans floor, if you knew your American history you would also know the old right tradition was founded on a non interventionist foreign policy.
"When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war."
Dwight D. Eisenhower
I believe in a strong National Defense, I think its wiser to walk quietly with a big stick.
Margie| 12.1.10 @ 12:39AM
"I called you a loon because you think its appropriate to use military might at will without looking at the consequences."
You're a liar.
Clint| 11.30.10 @ 11:25PM
Do Your Homework .
Ron Paul is a Conservative-Leaning Libertarian.
http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 11:39PM
Tim* (Clint) never gives up the lies.
Ron Paul is voting along with Barney Frank and Dennis Kucinich and Maxine Waters and Jesse Jackson, Jr. and Jerry Nadler, Chaka Fattah, Bobby Rush, Eleanor Holmes Norton, and several more Leftists, (Ron Paul is the only 'R' among them), and they are defunding the Military.
You do your homework, but leave out the inconvenient facts.
Ah, the mind of the Leftist!
Clint| 12.1.10 @ 12:17AM
Air Force Veteran Dr. Ron Paul agrees with President Ronald Reagan,You NeoCon Israel Firster RINO-CINO Broad.
Ronald Reagan: " During my 1980 campaign, I called federal waste and fraud a national scandal. We knew we could never rebuild America's strength without first controlling the exploding cost of defense programs, and we're doing it. When we took office in 1981, costs had been escalating at an annual rate of 14 percent. Then we began our reforms. And in the last two years, cost increases have fallen to less than 1 percent. We've made huge savings. Each F-18 fighter costs nearly $4 million less today than in 1981. One of our air-to-air missiles costs barely half as much.
Getting control of the defense bureaucracy is no small task. Each year the Defense Department signs hundreds of thousands of contracts. So yes, a horror story will sometimes turn up despite our best efforts. That's why we appointed the first Inspector General in the history of the Defense Department. And virtually every case of fraud or abuse has been uncovered by our Defense Department, our Inspector General. Secretary Weinberger should be praised, not pilloried, for cleaning the skeletons out of the closet. As for those few who have cheated taxpayers or have swindled our Armed Forces with faulty equipment, they are thieves stealing from the arsenal of democracy, and they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."
Margie| 12.1.10 @ 12:24AM
More name calling.
Double standard.
And Ronald Reagan would NEVER have signed on to the Leftists anti-military proclamation!
Clint| 12.1.10 @ 2:03AM
You don't speak for Ronald Reagan.
Obviously You don't know what you're talking about.
There was no Anti-Military Proclamation .
There was an open letter to the members of The National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform Signed by 55 House Co-Sponsors and a Report from The Sustainable Defense Task Force.
Ronald Reagan, Cap Weinberger and Don Rumsfeld all agreed on the need for Defense Cuts.
" We are not talking about cutting the money needed to supply American troops in the field. Once we send our men and women into battle, even in cases where we may have opposed going to war, we have an obligation to make sure that our servicemembers have everything they need. And we are not talking about cutting essential funds for combating terrorism; we must do everything possible to prevent any recurrence of the mass murder of Americans that took place on September 11, 2001."
"Additionally, we believe that significant savings can be realized through reforming the process by which the Pentagon engages in weapons research, development and procurement, manages its resources, and provides support services. Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has speculated that waste and mismanagement accounted for at least 5% of the Pentagon budget annually, and despite a long history of calls for reform from outside the Pentagon, and actual reform initiatives within it, it is clear that much more remains to be done."
Margie| 12.1.10 @ 12:05PM
More deceit. This was a written letter signed by 55 Leftists ALL, in including your lunatic pal, Ron Paul, who agrees with them. Not one other Republican signed it.
Wonder why? Hmm.
Keep trying to drag Ronald Reagan's name into the mud in order to justify your own warped thinking and beliefs, but it won't work.
No matter the lying, no matter the name calling.
RCV| 12.1.10 @ 2:05PM
There is nothing "leftist" about Ron Paul's foreign policy or social views. Isolationism has been a consistent minority strain in the GOP since 1918, when the isolationist Republicans in Congress successfully blocked US participation in the League of Nations. It continued in the lead up to WWII, with the "America-First"ers crowd, and Robert Taft in the 50s and Pat Buchanan more recently. Obviously, most Republicans and Conservatives reject this line of thinking, but so do most Democrats and Liberals, who are internationalists rather than isolationists.
There is a curious convergence of the anarchist strains on both the left and right wings. Noam Chomsky on the left is a self-desribed anarchist, and shares more in common with Ron Paul than with any Democrat. Kucinich isn't far off, although he's in his own crazy ideological niche.
Margie| 12.1.10 @ 9:41PM
Well I must say that it is interesting, sort of.. to see how they are in both parties, and mostly rejected.
But really, the anti-war mentality is Leftist.
Read this:
http://www.newsrealblog.com/20.....ur-of-the-“ron-paul-revolutionary”-mind/
Arizona| 11.30.10 @ 8:23PM
"Libertarian attitudes are fueling roughly half the tea party activists, according to our new Cato Institute survey. These libertarian tea partiers believe "the less government the better" and don't see a role for government in promoting "traditional values." This is a big reason why the movement has largely focused on economic matters, resisting attempts to add social issues to its agenda."
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 9:41PM
Cato is a Libertarian think tank, what else would you expect them to say?
Oh, and by the way, less government? That's conservative. Traditional values? Conservative. The two are inseparable. Anarchistic anti-war, anti-Israel Libertarianism? That's a "value" shared with the Left.
Clint| 11.30.10 @ 10:11PM
For Immediate Release
November 15, 2010
Tea Party Leaders Release Letter Urging House and Senate GOP to Avoid Social Issues:
(Washington, D.C.) – Today, a group of Tea Party leaders and activists released the following open letter to Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) and Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY). The letter urges Republicans in Congress to avoid social issues and focus instead on issues of economic freedom and individual liberty:
Dear Senator McConnell and Representative Boehner,
On behalf of limited government conservatives everywhere we write to urge you and your colleagues in Washington to put forward a legislative agenda in the next Congress that reflects the principles of the Tea Party movement.
Poll after poll confirms that the Tea Party’s laser focus on issues of economic freedom and limited government resonated with the American people on Election Day. The Tea Party movement galvanized around a desire to return to constitutional government and against excessive spending, taxation and government intrusion into the lives of the American people.
The Tea Party movement is a non-partisan movement, focused on issues of economic freedom and limited government, and a movement that will be as vigilant with a Republican-controlled Congress as we were with a Democratic-controlled Congress.
This election was not a mandate for the Republican Party, nor was it a mandate to act on any social issue, nor should it be interpreted as a political blank check.
Already, there are Washington insiders and special interest groups that hope to co-opt the Tea Party’s message and use it to push their own agenda – particularly as it relates to social issues. We are disappointed but not surprised by this development. We recognize the importance of values but believe strongly that those values should be taught by families and our houses of worship and not legislated from Washington, D.C.
We urge you to stay focused on the issues that got you and your colleagues elected and to resist the urge to run down any social issue rabbit holes in order to appease the special interests.
The Tea Party movement is not going away and we intend to continue to hold Washington accountable.
Sincerely,
Christopher R Barron
Chairman of the Board, GOProud
Andrew Ian Dodge
Coordinator, Maine Tea Party Patriots
Pam Stevenson
Coordinator, Arizona Tea Party Patriots
Dianna Greenwood
Executive Director, New American Patriots (Ashland, OH)
Jim Mason II
Chairman and State Coordinator, Nebraska’s Tea Party Patriots
Ralph King
Co-coordinator Cleveland Tea Party Patriots
Co-coordinator State of Ohio Tea Party Patriots
Jack Lien
Coordinator, Tea Party Patriots of Great Malls (Montana)
Tammy Bruce
National Radio Talk Show Host
JP Weber
Coordinator, Annapolis (Maryland) Tea Party
Doug Welch,
Blogger and member Southern Illinois Tea Party
Bruce Carroll
Conservative Activist and Blogger
Pam Stout
Coordinator, Sandpoint Idaho Tea Party Patriots
Dan Blatt
Conservative Activist and Blogger
Everett Wilkinson
Coordinator, Florida Tea Party
Jimmy LaSalvia
Executive Director, GOProud
Paul Crockett
President Santa Clara (California) Tea Party
David Thor Andreasen
Cumberland County (Maine) Tea Party
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 10:20PM
"The letter urges Republicans in Congress to avoid social issues and focus instead on issues of economic freedom and individual liberty:"
LOL. I'm glad you brought this to my attention, as I will contact both of these men to warn them not to listen. Avoid social issues? And what social issues would that be, Mr. Anarcho-Capitalist? The anti-Israel crowd will not prosper no many how many of your type try and prevail.
You see, it is against God to promote what you promote, Timmy*. Israel is chosen by God, and we the people of the United States of America are her friend and ally, just as Ronald Reagan was and believed.
You and your Ron Paul fanatical Israel haters just can't get over it, can you?
You can't stand that Michele Bachmann and other Republicans who are conservative took up a Resolution to back Israel, can you? God knows about your lame attempt to try and pull the wool over the eyes of others, including Boehner and McConnell.
What you just don't realize is that God is in control. His Truth always wins.
Occam's Tool| 11.30.10 @ 10:32PM
G-d Bless you, Margie and Victor. (The "your mind is to mine as that of an amoeba that I'm ending the slams with is a direct crib from "The Observers" in MST3K the TV series. Still, it is infuriating, right?)
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 10:47PM
The feeling's quite mutual, Mr. Occam's Tool.
BTW~ I'm a high school drop out, heh. I'm self taught, and taught by God. That is, I read and believe and try and practice what it says.
God's Grace is all one really needs.. after all, if you don't know God, you know nothing.
Mockers and scoffers will be sorry.. to Him.
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 10:48PM
"..what it says", that is, in the Bible.
Clint| 11.30.10 @ 10:58PM
Oh Joy!
I dare you to write Mitch McConnell And John Boehner and publish a copy of their responses here on American Spectator. Hurry Up And Get Back To Us.
You are a zany deceitful hypocrite, fronting religion to carry out Your Own Personal Political Agenda.
You are not A Tea Party Rebel . You're A Fanatic RINO-CINO Neocon Israel Firster Agendist.
Next:
TargetPoint Consulting and POLITICO partnered on an “exit poll” survey of attendees at the Washington DC Tax Day Tea Party rally the evening of April 15, 2010 on the Washington Monument grounds. The survey was conducted by Edison Research on behalf of POLITICO and TargetPoint, and POLITICO and TargetPoint were responsible for the content of the questionnaire.
"51% say “Government should not promote any particular set of values”, versus 46% that say “Government should promote traditional family values in our society.”
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 10:59PM
Blah, blah, blah.
Name calling.
Threats.
Hatred.
Failure.
Clint| 11.30.10 @ 11:58PM
Same Old Serial Israel Firster RINO-CINO Margie Fanatic Crank Crap.
Margie| 11.30.10 @ 11:16PM
Heh. I looked up a few of your pals, there, Timmy* (Clint). Homosexuals and Lesbians and "trans-gendereds" not wanting us to get into social issues. Well, I'll be!
Violent hatred springs eternal from the militant Homosexual crowd... who'da thunk it?
Clint| 11.30.10 @ 11:48PM
There It Is !
More Serial Fanatic Bigot RINO-CINO Israel Firster Margie Crap.
One Log Cabin Gay Dude out of 17 Signatory Area Tea Party Facilitators signs the letter and Fanatic Bigot Margie goes into her RINO-CINO Israel Firster Slandering Smear Job Act.
Like I've told ya many times before, Read Our Tea Party Patriots Mission Statement, Core Values And Philosophy. Unlike You, We don't have Your "Litmus Tests " for The Gender Confused or For Israel Firsters in The Tea Party .
Clint| 11.30.10 @ 11:56PM
By The Way, You're A Slandering Liar.
I'll Tell My Lady You Attempted To Smear Me Up As Some Kind Of A Gay Dude.
I Want An Apology, You Lying Hypocritical Slandering Phoney Christian.
victor| 12.1.10 @ 11:26AM
ClinT(immy*):
"I'll Tell My Lady You Attempted To Smear Me Up As Some Kind Of A Gay Dude."
Would her name be "Lola" by any chance?
Margie| 12.1.10 @ 12:07AM
More name calling!
Why, where are the moderators?!
Ah, the double standard!
And who really cares?
The anti-Israel Timmy* continues his filthy attacking.
Sorry chap, I have never been a RINO, never been a CINO.
That is actually what Libertarians who have to run as Republicans in order to get elected and anti-semites who have to post in various screen names in order to try and hide their contempt are.
If R. Paul were an upright man he'd run as a Libertarian and not hide behind the TEA party. Heh.
Deceit is the middle name of the anti-Israel, Anarchistic Libertarians, eh?
So, why are you hiding behind yet another screen name, Timmy*?
Clint | 12.1.10 @ 12:24AM
Asked & Answered.
See My Man James.
The Guys Right .You Two Imbeciles Are Time Wasters.
I Just Help Ya To Expose Yourself to American Spectator Readers.
Margie| 12.1.10 @ 12:36AM
So why are you hiding behind yet another screen name? And behind "Your man James?"
Wouldn't happen to be a coward?
I really don't think you speak for American Spectator Readers, nor do you speak for the TEA parties.
As I've always said, in truth, the Anarchistic, anti-Israel, anti-Christian, which is anti-God, anti-war Leftist Libertarianism that you espouse will FAIL, is failing, and will continue failing.
Why?
Because God is in control. It is He is that is the Great Exposer!
"The good man out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure produces evil; for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks." Lk. 6:45.
Clint| 12.1.10 @ 12:52AM
Why Do You Hide Behind The Screen Name Victor.
Obviously, You're A Coward.
Aaaand obviously, You don't Speak For Israel.
Now !
Attendants Get The Net & A Syringe Of Thorazine For The Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie .
Margie| 12.1.10 @ 1:00AM
Tim* Clint or whatever you call yourself: You're a liar.
My husband posts, and I post. I, unlike you, don't have any need to post under other names.
Now, you DO know that liars really DO go to Hell, don't you?
Does it matter to you?
Clint | 12.1.10 @ 2:27AM
Yeah Right Kook Job, The Only Pretend Hubby & Wifey Tag Team On American Spectator.
We Ain't Buyin' It Zany Apocalyptic Fanatic Joisey Broad.
Margie| 12.1.10 @ 12:39PM
Clint (Tim*) claims my husband doesn't exist. Actually, Tim* exists to slander me. He has taken many screen names to do so, including my own to post things I would not say.
I am copying a post from Ken (Old Tex) with whom both me and my husband have spoken to, personally:
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.13.10 @ 3:25PM
Ah , Margie....we even have to forgive the tresspasses of the Tim* s of the world.
They are led astray by Satan himself. They will pay in eternity...and every day henceforth ...here.
They will never KNOW the Peace that "passeth all understanding".
Thank you for putting up the words of Christ here, Margie...and say hello to your loving husband for me.
Ken
REPLY TO THIS
~~~~~~
Ken is another conservative Christian who Clint (Tim*) hates.
And I will leave you all with that.
Clint| 12.1.10 @ 12:37AM
I'll tell Ronny, Ari, Enosh & The Boys that you make serial attempts to Play The Anti-Semites Card . They'll laugh.
They've never ever demanded that I be an Israel Firster or equate it with Your Anti-Semite Card.
Margie| 12.1.10 @ 12:57AM
Either you're mentally ill or just a complete and utter deceiver.
Your anti-Israel posts speak for themselves.. anyone who is pro Israel you vehemently and viciously attack. Along with anyone who doesn't agree with your stated Religion.
Conservatives are pro-Israel. You call that being an Israel-Firster Neo-Con, et al. Any regular thinking person in his semi right mind would consider that anti-semitic. Along with your other anti-Israel posts, you present your heart.
But why?
I'm not attempting anything.. I do pity you.
Clint| 12.1.10 @ 2:21AM
You're Projecting your Crazy Slandering Personality again, Zany Joisey Broad.
Aaaand, You get Counterpunched on Your Fanatic Anti-Catholic and Fanatic Israel Firster Agenda against any Who Dare To Not Heal to Your Lunatic Personal Agenda.
Conservatives span the spectrum from Total Israel Firsters to Total Non-Interventionists and everything in between.
We don't have your Israel Firster Litmus Test in The Tea Party.
You're A Buffoon and Your Serial Playing of The Anti-Semite Card ain't gonna change that.
Margie| 12.1.10 @ 11:53AM
First of all, I notice that the supposed moderators here aren't doing anything about your filthy name calling.
Double standard.
Most importantly, I speak the truth.
Leftist anti-Israel Anarcho-Capitalist Supersessionists like yourself (you have said these are what you believe in, not me), have so much vileness and hatred toward Christian conservatives like me, and Jews who are conservative~~ that you cannot even contain yourself.
American Spectator readers have eyes to see.
For those who do not know what Anarcho Capitalisim is, do yourself a favor and look it up.
And for those of you who do not know what Timmy* (Clint) believes in as far as Supersessionism~ look it up. It is a belief that says that ISRAEL is NULL & VOID.
They believe that their Religion (in this case he claims Catholicism) actually REPLACES Israel.
He claims the Pope believes it, too. Heh, not too sure about that.
So, when he says I am anti-Catholic, I am anti his type of Religion.
The Bible says differently about Israel. Jesus said He didn't come to replace the Law and the Prophets..
"Think not that I have come to abolish the Law and the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly, I say to you, till Heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of Heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven." Mt. 5:17-19.
And concerning Israel He says:
"Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in, and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"; "and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins." Romans 11:25-27.
Name calling and lies~ the last refuge of the Leftist. And the Religious Anarcho anti-semitic are some of the most vile, hate filled human beings existing on the face of the earth.
Margie| 12.1.10 @ 12:25PM
Clint (Tim*) is a liar.
There is no litmus test.. except the one he has. And that is, if you happen to be a conservative, Bible believing pro-Israel Christian or a conservative Jew, you are, according to him, a "RINO-CONO-Israel Firster Neo-Con", and other choice words.
In truth, once again~ there is a faction among so-called conservatives who are like this man. Filled with hatred for Israel and hatred for regular conservatives who are pro-Israel.
Tis man cannot contain his hatred. He has tried to vilify me for months on end.. heh. That's fine. Let him. God is my Judge!
I take my stand with real conservatives who DO NOT consider America the "Aggressor", and blame America for the terrorists being terrorists. like R. Paul does.
I'm an America Firster, therefore I'm pro-Israel.
Do some of the editors here align themselves with this man and that is why he is permitted to lie, slander, and spew his filthy mouth at me while I will be banned for speaking the truth?
SpyGuy| 11.30.10 @ 11:52PM
Folks, Margie and the O'Tool are time-wasters. Her comments come from the side that knows they're losing now. They have nothing left to stand on and so spend their time trying to deny the objective truth that's playing out in front of them. Their only purpose is to continue to spread ignorant manure.
Margie| 12.1.10 @ 12:14AM
Not sure what planet you happen to be residing on, but my party happens to be winning, and winning big. Derrr.
Matt| 12.1.10 @ 2:20AM
I don't see a lot of posts from people claiming they are pro-war. That is a bold statement. As a Christian I am ashamed of you.
WWJD? No, seriously, answer the question.
Dustin| 12.5.10 @ 7:34PM
+1 to Matt's question. I too, wonder if Jesus would be pro-war in Margie's mind.
Les Nesman| 12.1.10 @ 2:44AM
If we are going to get control of the deficit we are going to have to cut spending including defense spending. What branch of the Republican party is for that?
victor| 12.1.10 @ 11:34AM
Slash and burn defense cuts never work and turn out for the worse.
Just look at the cuts during Carter's and Clinton;s terms.
and why is Ron Paul aligning himself with the worst of the worst of the democrats, eh?
http://www.house.gov/frank/doc.....letter.pdf
and why no such similar scrutiny of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, which accounts for half of the federal budget?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.....tegory.jpg
Simon Templar| 12.1.10 @ 4:35PM
Conservatism never ever wins because for the last century too many people who call themselves republicans do not truly believe in the founding conservative core principles of this nation. Each election the public, particularly the conservative public, is convinced by the Progressive Republican establishment that it must abandon these core purist principles and run a more 'reasonable' candidate always compromising and bending towards the progressive and socialist elements that continue to gain more and more power from the last round of elections. Now, here we are in 2010. Take a look around! After a century of growth of Big Government in collusion with Big Business..we got ourselves a real bonafide radical leftist in the whitehouse and the republic is hanging by a thread. The ideas of our founding fathers are now presented as archaic, purist, extreme, out-dated. Much of the public is ignorant and historically illiterate. Washington elite now sneer at such ridiculous ideas of fiscal restraint, small government, and self-government and moreover, the populist uprisings like the Tea Party are seen as passing disruptions..annoying nusances that come with democracy in action as GWB put it. They will pass and then onto same old business as usual. So, what now? Drop the aspirations for true conservatism and step back from the purist positions? We can see this already happening and its only less than 4 weeks since the historic election. Another round of the same shit, eh? I say, hell no! I say we demand more. We vet the candidates more than ever and hold them to the purity test as best we can determining which candidate has the highest integrity given these principles and is the least likely in corrupting them. No one is looking for perfection. We are looking for sincerity and integrity..the time has come to expose the progressive agenda for what it is. The time has come to stand with those that stand for liberty and shout proudly these purist conservative principles....because if you do not defend them unflinchingly, they will be lost forever.
simon templar| 12.1.10 @ 5:15PM
A note to Alexis? Reagan and Margie:
First, A.Reagan, if you feel you have been misunderstood than I would advise you to try to explain your positions and drop the name calling and attacks. Margie is a good person who seems to love her country and am sure she does want to start unecessary wars with other people's money nor wants to blindly follow a war mongering government with imperialistic intentions. Lets all take this down a couple of thousand! Take a breath and help us understand what you really are saying. If your position is that we should take greater care and greater thought before entering armed conflicts and try to limit are entanglements in the politics and adventures of other nations then you will find that most of us including Margie would agree. Many of the classical libertarian values and beliefs are certainly conservative and much can be learned from this particular politiical philosophy. So, if you are not a strict isolationist, not opposed to christian values or any other religious expression in the public arena, and do not hate Jews..then say so and make that clear. It is very easy sometimes when certain people and politicians throw rhetoric around and conceal their true intentions that people can get very defensive and suspicious. So, if we have gotten Rand Paul all wrong then let us know how exactly.
Titus| 12.6.10 @ 8:31AM
And while the name calling goes on those on the left are licking their chops. They've got us attacking each other the way the way they do it!