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Livingston to Kingston

Lessons, and the real record, from the Gingrich era.

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(It’s also worth noting that, in retrospect, that overall budget agreement was a rather good deal indeed, more of a credit than a discredit to Gingrich and Kasich. In a column I wrote four years after the deal, I lamented that “If Congress and former President Clinton had merely lived up to the budget accord they reached in 1997, the federal government would spend $2.231 trillion less during the next decade than it now is committed to doing.”)

The simple fact of the matter is that in the first two years, the Livingston-led Approps process succeeded in completely zeroing out exactly 300 federal programs. (I take pride in coming up with the catch phrase we used to explain how we would succeed at this against Clinton’s opposition: “You can’t veto a zero,” Livingston would say, repeatedly, with a smile.) And in the third year, it still held the line far better than most would have anticipated after Clinton’s large re-election victory.

The fourth year, in 1998 (for FY 1999), which is when Republicans really did finally capitulate badly on spending, the crystal-clear record is that Livingston fought against the capitulation. Context is everything, and the context was provided by a young woman named Monica Lewinsky. Lewinsky’s story broke in late January of 1998, and it completely upended the apple cart. Gingrich, eyeing a run for the presidency, saw advantage in using Lewinsky to put the screws to Clinton. Kasich, also considering a presidential campaign, began pushing a big new tax cut. Kasich didn’t want to pass a budget resolution that didn’t include the tax cut. Gingrich thought that delaying a final budget agreement for the year would be a good politics because he figured Clinton would be in a weaker bargaining position as the Lewinsky investigation advanced. And Livingston, without a budget resolution to provide overall spending targets, was forced to keep delaying his Appropriations bills while waiting for a go-ahead from Gingrich and the budgeteers that never came.

The politics never played out as Gingrich envisioned. The public rallied around Clinton when Gingrich and Ken Starr released all the private details of the Lewinsky-Clinton encounters. Rather than having a strengthened budget hand, Gingrich found his position weakened. Gingrich doubled down, insisting on Draconian rules for the impeachment inquiry. Moderate Republicans balked. To keep them in line for the inquiry procedures, Gingrich capitulated almost entirely on spending across the board. The domestic discretionary accounts alone were allowed to jump radically, from $257.2 billion up to $293.53 billion. Outrageous.

And Livingston was livid. He felt the rug had been pulled out from under him. All that work to save money, negotiated away without his input.

I have good reason to remember it all quite well, even though by then I had moved back into journalism in Mobile, Alabama. My successor as press secretary, Mark Corallo, gave me a blow-by-blow account all year. Out in the hinterlands, it became clear to me that as the GOP looked like it had bloodlust for Clinton, it lost moderates and independents. As it gave away the store on spending, it completely dispirited, and in some cases infuriated, ordinary conservative voters. Gingrich was still predicting a 25-30 seat GOP pickup in House seats in the fall elections, and the consensus among prognosticators was for a 15-seat gain. But I spent all fall predicting GOP losses. In the end, I predicted exactly a five-seat loss — which, when that’s exactly what happened, earned me notice in Al Kamen’s Washington Post column as the only one he could find in print anywhere in the country to get it right.

I recount all this to explain why Corallo’s blow-by-blow remains so vivid to me. And part of that blow-by-blow was the contemporaneous account of Livingston blowing his top when Gingrich opened the spending floodgates.

This week I asked Corallo (who later served as communications director for the Ashcroft Justice Department and now is a top public affairs consultant) how he recalled that year’s developments.

“For most of 1997-98, the tension was about the Senate,” he said, of the Senate appropriators led by Alaskan Ted Stevens. “They were the ones who were earmark-happy. It was the senators doing the horse-trading; Bob was trying to hold it together as much as he could. Livingston was the one guy trying to keep the spending down.”

That’s why Livingston was so angry when Gingrich opened the spigots: While waiting for overall budget numbers, he had fought all year — against the Senate, the White House, and the increasing carping from House moderates — to keep major increases out of the appropriations bills that sat in draft form. And while Livingston trusted Gingrich’s political judgment about how the 1998 elections would play out (in other words, he discounted my gloom-and-doom from afar), he thought the policy implications were horrendous. A Gingrich loyalist, he nonetheless was enough infuriated by the spending dust-up that when it was followed with the election losses, he challenged Gingrich for speaker and quickly secured enough support to force the Georgian to step aside. (Livingston earlier that year had, with Gingrich’s tacit approval, begun setting up a future run for Speaker in the eventuality Gingrich stepped down to run for president.)

That’s the back story behind the Livingston-Gingrich break that year. (The two men now are again close friends and allies, by the way.) Livingston’s entire focus for four solid years had been to hold spending in check. The destruction of that achievement caused the (temporary) split with Gingrich. (This contemporaneous Washington Post story tells part of the tale, confirming my account above.) Meanwhile, in the Senate, Ted Stevens’ earmarkers had their way. Earmarks grew from 1,596 to 2,143 to 2,838 in Fiscal Years 1997-99. But it was only after Livingston left the House altogether that they really exploded: 4,326 in FY 2000 and 6,333 in FY 2001.

As for Livingston using earmarks as a tool of seduction: Fuhgeddabout it. Corallo tells the story: “When a Republican came asking for an earmark [earlier in the year] and hinted it could mean the difference between [eventual] support for Speaker or not, a couple of choice words flew from Bob’s mouth, though Bob was not the kind of guy to use lots of four-letter words. Bob was poking his finger almost in the guy’s chest, saying he didn’t make those kinds of deals. He never did that. He was furious and offended.”

ALL OF WHICH is a far-too-belabored defense of Bob Livingston’s excellent spending, or rather savings, record. But there are broader lessons, applicable today.

First, what was achieved before can be achieved again. Saving $100 billion from projected spending in 1995-1997 is the equivalent, in inflation-adjusted terms, of saving $140 billion from projected levels between now and 2013. As a percentage of the total domestic discretionary budget, which has metastasized since then, it’s the equivalent of saving a whopping $200 billion in FY 2011-2013. That’s a major chunk of change to save from the debt laid on future generations.

Second, it really does matter who takes the reins in key positions. Good legislating isn’t easy. It takes a combination of experience, skill, and tremendous willpower. Despite his flaws, Gingrich’s leadership was essential in the mid-1990s. So was that of Armey, Kasich, and the far-too-little-celebrated Bill Archer. (And, on non-spending fronts, of Boehner, Solomon, Henry Hyde, and others.) And Livingston, needless to say, was the guy at the forefront of where all the thousands of individual spending decisions were made. He was assisted by subcommittee chairmen who, for at least two years, bought into the entire agenda. (They included, by the way, Jerry Lewis of California, whom Kingston is challenging this year: Whatever Lewis’ career-long record, he did essential, yeoman’s work heading the crucial VA-HUD subcommittee where major cuts were made.)

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About the Author

Quin Hillyer is a senior editor of The American Spectator and a senior fellow at the Center for Individual Freedom. Follow him on Twitter @QuinHillyer.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (25) |

Ken (Old Texican)| 11.24.10 @ 7:37AM

Quin,

This one of your best ever.

I feel like I just finished a course in "Congressional 404"
Thank you

Alan Brooks| 11.24.10 @ 3:30PM

Rich Brookhiser said way back then that Newt's philosophy is "schizophrenic", a mixture of the Founders + Tocqueville, and the Tofflers' computer-geek Marxism.
Has the Newt leopard changed his spots since then?

Has Gingrich poured new wine into old wineskins?

Mark| 11.24.10 @ 7:42AM

Kingston Solid?

He is a Solid Earmark King - requesting over $200 million in pork in the past three years.

One for Blueberry production research.

Hillyer may have been fooled by Kingston's "earmark revelation," but his actions and Earmark requests did not reflect it.

If he is chosen for Chairman the Tea Party will revolt again....it would be House GOP leadership madness to appoint Kingston.

walt| 11.24.10 @ 7:46AM

The US blueberry industry has a hero in Jack Kingston!

One of his $220 million earmark requests he submitted in the last three years was an earmark for Blueberry research.

If you have ever eaten an blueberry, write Jack Kingston and thank him. Or call his office today.

Kingston - the Blueberry Earmark King!

AR Ar ar | 11.24.10 @ 8:19AM

OK, so if Kingston has been an earmark blueberry King in the past how does that square against a no earmark congress now? Just asking, I wouldn't know Kingston if we were walking in front of me. Is he ready for prime-time when prime-time will be earmark free? That should be the question perhaps.

Quin| 11.24.10 @ 9:35AM

If you want purity, go into the mythical land of Camelot and bow to Sir Percival. Otherwise, look at Kingston's lifetime ACU rating. If I remember correctly, it's 96. Blueberries or no blueberries, that's solid. If conservatives don't learn how to avoid making the perfect the enemy of the good, then we don't even deserve governmental authority.

Reagan Loyalist| 11.24.10 @ 11:13AM

Quin,
Taking us inside the Gingrich Congress did more than give us perspective on Livingston, you allowed us to witness both the successful and not so successful leadership tactics, motivations and enumerated the outcomes. Those were heady days, packed full of weighty battles and large egos. My understanding of Newt then and now was enriched as well. My hope is that as a movement we can avoid self destruction as this new congress faces a similar set of titanic challenges, not the least of which is shaking up committee leadership.

Ken (Old Texican)| 11.24.10 @ 10:09AM

Hey Quin,
Thanks for dropping in.
Please do not despair of the ignoramuses here. They have never accomplished anything, and they will never accomplish anything...except being snarky.
No comment on my e-novel?

Dixie Pixie| 11.26.10 @ 4:59PM

Crunchy and best served with a good Bourbon and Branch Water.
Excellent evening treat.

Quin| 11.24.10 @ 10:26AM

I had to go back and find your novel. I don't think I saw it when it first came in, but now I found it. I look forward to taking a look when I can, although it might take a few weeks. Thanks!

Ken (Old Texican)| 11.24.10 @ 6:10PM

QUIN,
WARNING! Do NOT go beyond page three. It will screw up your whole schedule.
(heh)
You would not believe who told me that. (hint, he is a Senator).

P.Smith| 11.24.10 @ 10:37AM

Thanks for the narrative. Accounts like this only strengthen my doubts about Mr. Gingrich. He is full of good ideas, but seemingly lacks the character needed to be a leader. Basically he was willing to spend 40 billion dollars, and probably a lot more if we were to look at other things besides discretionary spending, to possibly impeach the philanderer in chief in order to further his career.

Quin| 11.24.10 @ 10:46AM

To be clear, I am not saying that Gingrich's only motivation was to further his own career. Gingrich legitimately believed that Clinton's perjury was a high crime worthy of impeachment. I merely suggest that Gingrich misplayed and misjudged the PROCESS for the inquiry, with his misjudgment in part probably caused, in part, possibly without even being fully conscious of it himself, by his presidential ambitions. I suggest not that he was ill-motivated, but only human.

Brad| 11.24.10 @ 11:27AM

Thanks for the education. Your article serves as reminder there is a delicate balance between pragmatism and ideology. AND Clinton's crime was not about sex; it was PERJURY, a crime by very definition. (Another unfortunate example of the country being mislead by the MSM.) Thank you.

GMS| 11.26.10 @ 8:46PM

Great article Quin. I feel educated. I'm going to print and save this one.

Newt Gingrich as an historically knowledgable man, should have realized the HofR and speakership has never been a stepping stone to the Oval office. Neither is the Senate. Those members are just plain bad candidates as they do not have Executive bona fides.

Two Senators were nominated in '08 and both poor choices. This was Unfortunate as the country needed leadership and got double-dealing hype instead.

Keep up the good work Quin.
GMS

Oldefarte| 11.24.10 @ 11:13AM

Ah, yes.......they are indeed ALL HUMAN [and as such are guilty of human failing, ie with either prostitutes or girlfriend-leisons; and all can rightfully be considered degrees of adultery]. If memory serves me, I did vote [no doubt, more than once] for Bob Livingston, and still consider him a man of honor, integrity and especially a true conservative. Compared to its history of seedy politics, Louisiana should be grateful for the likes of Treen, Livingston AND VITTER. Oh, being the king of the misspells that I am, I did notice a possibly related error in this editorial ["..... A Gingrich loyalist, he nonetheless was enough infuriated by the spending dust-up that when it was followed with the election losses, he challenged Gingrich for speaker and quickly secured enough support to force the Georgia to step aside...."], but as I've said many times, TO ERR IS HUMAN, TO FORGIVE DEVINE [OPPS, MEANT DIVINE, SORRY]!!!!!!!!!

Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 11.24.10 @ 4:31PM

Someone, somewhere spent a lot of money. I find it fascinating that the Republicans never write about Jeff Flake, who was set down hard for his efforts to cut spending.

Maybe Kingston did all that you say. But someone spent that money and led us on to ever greater spending.

I would never vote for Gingrich for political office. His views on climate change are bizarre considering there is no proof.

In the meantime the Jeff Flakes are pushed to the side, and the Tea Party is slammed by the Republican establishment.

Craig Hersha| 11.26.10 @ 6:18PM

TO ERR IS HUMAN, TO FORGIVE DEVINE . . .
Neither of which is the policy of this company.

Oldefarte| 11.27.10 @ 11:32AM

Me thinks it possibly should be TO FORCE THE GEORGIAN TO STEP ASIDE [but maybe 'Georgia' was of mind?] !!!!!!!!

Alan Brooks| 11.26.10 @ 6:32PM

Andy Devine, the corpulent cowboy!

led display | 11.29.10 @ 10:10PM

Quin,very good!

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