Terry Jones, an eccentric Florida pastor, announced in July that
he planned to burn a stack of Korans on the anniversary of the 9/11
attacks. In early September, the media gave him his 15 minutes of
infamy, ensuring that his publicity stunt would be successful. He
ended up canceling the Koran-burning, but not before provoking one
of the most bizarre moments in the history of cable news, on the
September 10 episode of Morning Joe.
Courtesy of NewsBusters.org, here’s the full transcript of
Jones’s appearance with Mika Brzezinski, the MSNBC show’s
co-hostess, and Jon Meacham, recently deposed as editor of
Newsweek:
Brzezinski: We’ve really been debating whether
or not to do this. Joe [Scarborough, the other co-host] says “no,”
he doesn’t think it’s a good idea at all. He might be right. The
Florida pastor, threatening to burn copies of the Koran tomorrow,
is now saying his plans are “on hold,” after a local imam told him
that the proposed New York Islamic center near Ground Zero would be
moved. And joining us now from Gainesville, Florida, is pastor
Terry Jones. And the reason we’re doing this is my worry is that
the pastor’s going to have blood on his hands if he goes forward
with this plan. So Jon Meacham just has a quick message for you,
sir. Jon?
Meacham: Pastor, I just wanted to—this is Jon
Meacham. I just wanted to suggest that Jesus said the night before
he was handed over to suffering and death that he ordered his
disciples to love one another as he had loved them. That was his
central commandment, and as he died, he said that “Father forgive
them, for they know not what they do.” The central message of the
New Testament is forgiveness, and to put oneself in the place of
another. And so I would simply appeal to you, as a fellow
Christian, that the course you suggested is going to be incredibly
dangerous, and would ask you to desist in the name of New Testament
theology.
Brzezinski: All right, well said, Jon Meacham,
and Pastor Terry Jones, we appeal to you to listen to that. And we
don’t really need to hear anything else, so thanks.
Jones appeared onscreen but was cut off before he could say a
word. What was the point of the exercise? If Meacham had a message
for Jones, he could have delivered it in a private phone call. If
he wanted to editorialize, Jones’s on-air presence was superfluous.
MSNBC brought Jones on simply so that Meacham make a show of his
righteousness. Instead, the crazy pastor ended up looking more
dignified than either the smarmy Meacham or the shrill Brzezinski,
both of whose behavior was utterly unprofessional.
Meacham’s insufferable smugness was all too familiar to anyone
who had been following the fight over the Ground Zero mosque, which
President Obama elevated into a national controversy in August.
That was when he said, at a White House Ramadan dinner, that he
backed the constitutional right to build a mosque. It was not
exactly a brave position to take in front of a mostly Muslim
audience, and the next day, as it became clear that the public saw
the mosque plan as insensitive and provocative, the president
turned tail. He said he wouldn’t express an opinion as to whether
building a mosque near Ground Zero was a wise thing to do.
But liberal commentators, joined by a few politicians like New
York’s mayor, Michael Bloomberg, were not so reticent. A New
York Times editorial denounced “Republican ideologues” who
“spew…intolerant rhetoric,” though it gave a pass to Democrats,
such as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who also argued the
mosque should be built somewhere else. The paper did chide Obama
for failing to assert “the wisdom of going ahead with the project,
which developers said is intended to bring Muslims and non-Muslims
together.” It added: “Mr. Obama and all people of conscience need
to push back hard.”
If the intent of the Ground Zero mosque is “to bring Muslims and
non-Muslims together,” it was already a failure on its own terms.
But the Times betrayed its own lack of interest in
conciliation by urging the president to “push back hard.”
When, in early September, a local poll found that two-thirds of
New York City residents thought the prospective mosque was too
close to Ground Zero, the Times itself pushed back hard in
another editorial:
New Yorkers, like other Americans, have a way to go. We stand
with the poll’s minority: the 27 percent who say the mosque should
be built in Lower Manhattan because moving it would compromise
American values.
The snooty tone was bad enough, but to take the full measure of
the Times’s boorishness in dressing down New Yorkers,
consider who conducted the poll: the Times itself. That’s
right, the reason we know that two-thirds of New Yorkers oppose the
Ground Zero mosque is that the New York Times asked them.
Some of those who answered were quoted by name in a news story:
“My granddaughter and I were having this conversation and she
said stopping them from building is going against the freedom of
religion guaranteed by our Constitution,” said Marilyn Fisher, 71,
who lives in the Bensonhurst neighborhood of Brooklyn. “I
absolutely agree with her except in this case. I think everything
in this world is not black and white; there is always a gray area
and the gray area right now is sensitivity to those affected by
9/11, the survivors of the people lost.”…
Richard Merton, 56, a real estate broker who lives on the Upper
West Side of Manhattan, exemplifies those mixed and seemingly
contradictory feelings.
“Freedom of religion is one of the guarantees we give in this
country, so they are free to worship where they chose,” Mr. Merton
said. “I just think it’s very bad manners on their part to be so
insensitive as to put a mosque in that area.”…
Alan Brooks| 11.17.10 @ 1:52AM
Pastor got a free car, though (it's true).
Good for him.
God bless America (cue in the muzak)
greghawk| 11.22.10 @ 5:08AM
more A.Brooks mental masturbation
Alan Brooks| 11.24.10 @ 6:52PM
You're the one who brought masturbation up.
You ever do it, Greg?