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Mob Roulette

By on 11.5.10 @ 6:07AM

Average people were feeling put out, put down and put upon, so they put in a new crowd.

People who direct mob scenes in movies have obviously never seen a mob. Movie mobs are decided and purposeful and achieve instant internal government by means of one guy who stands on a chair and yells, “hanging’s too good for ‘em.” Then off the mob goes to lynch Sidney Poitier. Real mobs just mill around acting pointlessly upset while being addressed by a series of half-important people speaking into P.A. systems that turn all human speech into car-theft-alarm noises. Nobody knew what was going on, which made everybody talk loudly about what was happening, and it was embarrassing if you talked too loudly because then everyone in the mob would come cluster around you hoping to hear some bewilderment more illuminating than their own.
 — P. J. O’Rourke, Give War A Chance

The euphoria over victories this Election Day by candidates with a tempered view of governance is mostly appropriate. Whoop it up, I say. Sing it from the rooftops. Shout it into the ether. Cry all the havoc your little heart desires. When you have gotten all that out of your system and objectivity begins to regain some of its appeal, you might want to consider the slight shading of downside at the bottom of your screen. It is this: to some extent these new Republicans were elected by the mob.

That is to say, they were elected not because they were our guys but because they were not-those-other-guys. A sort of undistilled displeasure with the draggy economy, the druggy utopianism of recent legislation and the dreggy characters peopling the current Administration has awakened the dragon. Average people were feeling put out, put down and put upon, so they put in a new crowd.

This is not an original thesis of mine, culled from spelunking amidst arcana. It is something I am witnessing on the street corner, in the cafeteria, at sporting events, all the places where the middle shows its class. Sure there are a few political freaks who know every blogged stat, who know the codicils of the health-care bill better than they know the password to their e-mail account. But those were not the guys who presented the Republicans with five dozen new seats in the House. They helped, but much of the heavy lifting was done by the crowd who lurched right because the left-wing banked too steeply.

Mob votes, like mob money, are tendered by standards below those set by bankers and actuaries but are expected to yield disproportionate results in unreasonably short intervals. Every vote counts, and it counts on its fingers. Failure is not an option with this crowd. If at first you don’t succeed you will not get the chance to try, try again. There is a reason why the old-timers would tell a person who was on the spot and had to produce no matter what: “You’re elected!”

The Republicans have taken the votes — and the money — and now must spin the wheel without going in circles. It is American roulette, thankfully, not Russian, so they do have some control over their fate. Which leads me to iterate an imperative I asserted some months ago, after the bully pulpit was used to bully and pull and pit Americans against each other in passing, or deeming, the healthcare bill. I noted then the fortuitous silver-bullet quality of a repeal movement as a strategy to pass both the midterms in 2010 and the… er, finals in 2012.

Most fringe Democrats who voted for the act lost their seats Tuesday. Those who narrowly survived will be hard pressed to repeat the suicidal gesture by countering the repeal. If they turn, it puts pressure on the Senate to turn. If the Senate, turns it puts pressure on the President not to veto. If he vetoes, the members are forced to vote again to sustain. If he vetoes and they sustain, the 2012 campaign is well underway, with sustained momentum for the Republicans. Since the law does not take full effect until 2014, the stage is set for a gala party in 2012 to consign it to oblivion.

The critical piece here is the choreography. The mob needs to see movement. Slow movement is sufficient as long as it is relentless, inexorable, a tide, then a wave, then a flood. If the Republican Bugsy Siegels can’t turn a profit on this high-stakes wager, they may find that Harry Reid and his buddies are ready to bury them under the shifting sands of the Nevada desert. Let us hope that we can recount this election over and over again without ever losing its edge.

About the Author

Jay D. Homnick, commentator and humorist, is a frequent contributor to The American Spectator. He also writes for Human Events. Here he speaks at the Rally for Religious Freedom in Miami on June 8, 2012.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (119) |

Booger | 11.5.10 @ 6:10AM

From the desk of Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele:

Dear Fellow Republicans,

Well, we've really gone and done it now. I believe I told you that we are not ready to govern. I really don't know how I could have made that any more clear. I announced it on national television, for crying out loud. So what did you do? You had to go and take back control of the House of Representatives.

I believe I remember stating very clearly there was no way that was going to happen this time around. Are you people just entirely incapable of taking a hint? I mean seriously, if I tell you we can't do something, you're not supposed to do it. After all, am I the leader of this party or what? I guess you've all been listening to that blowhard Limbaugh again. Look, turn him off already, will you? You know he only gets us into trouble when we listen to him.

So here we are, in charge of the House, which means we're in charge of the budget. Great. Do you realize what this means? We'll actually have to follow through with spending cuts, or everybody will figure us for a bunch of blowhards who can't back up our platform. Do we really want to be in this position? I mean think about it. If we cut the budget, Obama will just veto our cuts and everybody we'll say we're mean to children. I'm sick of that. I want people to like us for a change. How are we ever going to get people to like us if all we do is take away programs for children?

Here's my advice. For the next two years we're stuck with Obama as President. I know we don't like it, but that's how it is. So we need to learn to get along with him. After all, he is the President. We need to try to get people to like us as much as they like him. Then in 2012 maybe they'll vote for us! All we need is a candidate who is clean, articulate, moderate and won't scare away the independent votes. Anybody know anyone like that around here? Sure you do.

So what we really need to do is just avoid rocking the boat for a couple of years. Don't start any fights now, we can't win. Believe me, I know when we can and cannot win, and right now we don't have a prayer. So no fighting with Obama, okay? Everybody will get mad at us and not like us if we pick fights with him. Just save it for two years until we can put up a nice, good-looking, non-threatening Presidential candidate. I know some of you want to wade into this whole budget and health care thing right away, but believe me, we aren't ready for that kind of responsibility. Don't be fooled by the fact that we won the election. People make bad choices sometimes. Whatever we do, we shouldn't encourage them.

Well, I guess that about wraps it up for now. Keep your heads down and don't rock the boat, and we should be just fine.

Sincerely,

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele

http://beautifulletters-bls.blogspot.com/

the permanent newbie| 11.5.10 @ 2:00PM

Sad but true.

Looking forward to more of your fabulous letters!

Alan Brooks| 11.5.10 @ 6:04PM

"Tom, I don't want to kill everyone, just my enemies."
--Mike Corleone

Appleby| 11.5.10 @ 6:30AM

Yep, you lot kept on chattering that we couldnt win because we are all stupid and the people we support are crazy -- and now that we DID win, you are trying to convince us that we cannot accomplish anything because: WE ARE STUPID AND OUR NEW GOVERNMENT IS CRAZY!

Sorry, Hippie Scum, you lost and we are your new bosses. And the sooner you get over it, the happier you will be. For the next two years you are all in detention. We are in charge. We can do that.

And the people who put us in charge are saying its about bloody time, too.

So shut up already and go back to worrying about which Bachelorette will get the Rose this week and what the people next door may be eating, drinking, smoking or watching. Only stay out of Wal-Mart, because if you come up to us one more time and tell us that we would be really Cute if we would dye our hair, lose 20 lb. and vote Democrat, we will knock you down and call security.

InLineFour| 11.5.10 @ 12:56PM

Hey Appleby, what was your ride when you were racing motocross back in the 70's?

InLineFour| 11.5.10 @ 1:31PM

We all enjoy reading well-said comments from Appleby, Grmzlk(sp?), PolishKnight, RetMarine, etc., but let's face it: excepting a couple of trolls, we're a conservative echo chamber here; we're preaching to the choir.

Here's a different tack to combat liberalism and help conservatives increase their numbers in congress and state houses and maybe even the presidency in 2012: ENCOURAGE the liberals. Go post on lib websites like Huffpo, and on political news sites where the liberal nitwits post, like Yahoo News, and cheer them on. You're wasting your time using logic to try to dissuade them of their ridiculous beliefs. Instead, make yourself sound like a libtard, one of them, and remind them to express their views where it counts most - to their (liberal Dem) elected reps, including President Obama. Loud and often. If those elected reps listen to those libtards, instead of seeing the 2010 shellacking for the repudiation of statism that it is, then it can only help conservatives gain more power in 2012.

Patrick| 11.5.10 @ 10:53PM

You think some of us don't? I, myself, prefer to work the campus scene.

Appleby| 11.6.10 @ 5:30AM

Honda XL100. It was kind of a compromise bike, but it had the advantage of being one of the few on which I could put both feet on the ground at the same time! I was not very good, but I was very enthusiastic. And I can still make Mama turn pale by saying *I miss my bike*.

JJ| 11.7.10 @ 12:21PM

LOL.. That last line, priceless. :)

Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 11.5.10 @ 7:36AM

The actual mob was inside the beltway with no way out.

During decades of spending wealth while destroying wealth, the megaphone that controlled the uneducated proletariat outside the beltway was passed from one ruling mob to the other. Or should I say mobsters?

The mob inside the beltway tells us what to think, what they think we should eat, what types of cars to drive and who our neighbors must be whether we like it or not.

The mob inside the beltway just took a shellacking from the horrified onlookers who don't like mobs, and want lawful authority to ensure.

The out of control mob inside the beltway has destroyed the education system with one arcane theory after another, has destroyed the manufacturing sector with laws concerning gender bias, racial bias and environmental and safety regulations that can be weighed by the pound but measured by prudence.

We should be overjoyed that the lawful process of an election may in fact force the mob to start behaving, but the mob has experience at being a mob, and the lawful authority usually looks the other way.

ggoblue| 11.5.10 @ 7:59AM

we are still the "leave me alone coalition" first identified in the pages of amspec some years ago...

the only difference is that obama and pelosi shocked millions of sleepy independents awake.

thank you barak, thank you nancy.

Melvin| 11.5.10 @ 8:15AM

Appleby, you have a discussion of evolution with a drunk chimpanzee, and at least the chimp would listen and some type of understanding could be reached.
But, the fascist liberals still see us as ignorant knaves, and come hell or high water we will be forced to conform to their world view come hell or high water.
I reside in a city in the South that is predominately black and Democrat. Since I have the gift of gab, I'll enter into a political discussion with anyone. Most white folk are scared and paranoid to even talk to a Black American let alone political discussion.
The underlying theme that I have taken from many discussions is, "But Barrack Obama has helped so many people, and America, (White) doesn't understand this." "OK, who has he helped, and to make it easier who do you personally know that he has helped?"
99.9% of the time they stand there with that far off distant thinking look and the answer was, unattainable, they couldn't say anything, because there wasn't anything to say. Many Black Americans couldn't admit or even admit to themselves that the man that they had pinned so much hope on, failed them miserably.
But even though Barrack Obama's policies and political philosophy are abject failures, Black America still cannot bring themselves to the point to admit, "Yea, this guy wasn't worth a damn either."
Black America will follow Obama off a cliff, thinking to themselves as they fling themselves over the edge. "Yes, it will hurt when we hit the bottom, but at least we were led off the cliff by a Black man."
In other words, Black America will willingly jump off that political cliff knowing full well that they will be crushed when they hit the bottom, but they'll follow Barrack Obama just because he is a Black man.
For the longest time the liberal fascists have told Black America, "Vote for us will take care of you, from cradle to grave, aka LBJ's Great Society. We'll feed you, we'll clothe you, we'll pay for your having children, you just have to keep voting for us."
This is what the fascist Democrats & Progressive Republicans wanted for us. They wanted to create the inner city welfare system on steriods.
But guess what Americans don't want that Liberal utopian world view, where we are all equal and have the same amount of stuff. We just want to be left the hell alone to make our livings and raise our families in peace without some hairy lipped, stinking Teacher's Union feminist screaming at us. "!You can't raise your kid that way! You need to conform!"
Americans have discovered that we're not going to conform, we're not going to live in your planned communities, we're not going to put up those worthless windmills, we're not going to drive those expensive worthless electric cars, and we're tired of having to listen to your B.S. and you can take your Liberal, Progressive Fascist Philosophy and stick it were the sun doesn't shine, so just shut the hell up and crawl back to your Marxist professors classroom. Because guess what? We're coming after him next.

greghawk| 11.5.10 @ 9:13AM

Well said Melvin!!

Just hoping you are from the Birmingham area.

Margie| 11.5.10 @ 11:03AM

Bravo Melvin!
Real conservatives have been effective in converting many Liberals to our side and especially lately.
You are just one of the many examples of this. Do not think for one moment that in your speaking to your neighbors that they haven't been impressed upon to think twice about their thinking!
Keep up the good work.

Nancy in NC| 11.5.10 @ 12:16PM

I take them the truth. And many blacks are changing their tune; not as many as should as the Dems are certainly no friend to any man, black, white or green.

I'm working to engage as many black conservatives as possible for they are the ones that can convince other blacks that they are misguided. There are some tough enough to withstand being called sell outs, oreos, etc. And in NC we took control of the state assembly, and when we redistrict, we will gerrymander those stacked areas right out of existance. For the next 10 years those who run will have to actually earn the votes, rather than take them as a given.

I'm tired of people voting the D ticket because that's what my daddy did. (In truth he probably did not.) It's education that is needed, and the Dems need to be exposed for the crooks and liars they truly are.

Melvin| 11.5.10 @ 1:18PM

Well put Nancy, and when Bev. gets the boot, then and only then can North Carolina not be called a welfare state of the federal government.
It was most sickening when Bev under pressure from the teachers unions went to Washington to beg for money, because the NC Democrat Legislature and the Governor couldn't control their spending and wasted what once was a 3 billion dollar surplus. Did the NC government give that surplus back to the NC taxpayers? No. they blew it like drunken legislators.
Now, with the majority they can investigate Purdue, Easley, and Hun, for corruption.

Anthony| 11.5.10 @ 9:04PM

The sad truth about "Black America" is that for the most part black Americans are racist to their core. They will follow any black leader who speaks loud enough or long enough to get their attention. Examples are way too easy-Jesse Jackson. Al Sharpton, Charlie Rangel, Louis Farakhan, all anti-white racists who care only about Americans who share their skin pigmentation. There is a small minority, a very small minority of blacks who are not racists and all of those that I have met, have been believing, committed Christians. That's all.

Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 11.5.10 @ 9:16AM

Here is real mob rule, absent the ropes and sense of direction. It is a mob rule dominated by telling the public to lynch the wrong guy. It is mob rule dominated by phony promises of help to victims, while the mob goes after the victim, not the perpetrators. Hit the link and read the entire article. It shows how mob rule has destroyed the Republican Party.

Outside Article Begins, from the Examiner:
GOP establishment more of a liability than the Tea Party ever was
By: J.P. Freire
Associate Commentary Editor
11/05/10 2:20 AM EDT

North Carolina Republican Renee Elmers thought she had beat Democrat incumbent Bob “the Hug” Etheridge, but with the threat of a recount looming, Elmers turned to the National Republican Campaign Committee for help with legal fees. The NRCC, strangely, refused, providing a stark contrast to the NRCC’s claim over Tuesday night’s victory. It also undermines the narrative parroted by the press from Sen. Lindsey Graham’s, R-S.C., claim that the Tea Party movement somehow bungled the 2010 Republican victory.

Instead, we have a much different narrative: The GOP establishment, Graham included, has been more of a liability because of its refusal to help candidates.

Elmers writes on her blog:

Yesterday, we appealed to the National Republican Congressional Committee for support, asking if they could contribute to help pay the costs of this recount. Their answer, unfortunately, was, No – that we would have to raise the money to pay for the recount ourselves.

I was afraid that would be their answer. Months ago, I went to Washington and asked the National Republican Congressional Committee and many conservative leaders to help my campaign. Many conservative groups – like the Susan B. Anthony List, Concerned Women of America, Freedom Works, and Sarah Palin’s Sarah PAC all helped, but the NRCC declined. Later, they did support other campaigns in North Carolina – which, unfortunately, lost – but we never received their support. In fact, their spokesman told the press “that the campaign wasn’t ready for prime time” – which actually made it even harder for us to raise money. So, I am doubtful we will get support from the NRCC to help with the expense of the recount.

It’s one thing to decline support; it’s quite another to sandbag. There could be a perfectly sound explanation for this, but it’s hard to muster a sympathetic ear.

That’s because this isn’t uncharted territory for the NRCC, which intervened in last year’s momentous New York primary on behalf of union-friendly Dede Scozzafava. As Robert Stacy McCain writes it, “The Republican National Committee and the National Republican Congressional Committee had pumped hundreds of thousands of dollars into the 23rd District in support of Scozzafava — to no avail, since the candidate’s message never resonated with voters.” When she closed down her campaign, she went on to endorse the Democrat.

Then there’s the NRCC’s sibling, the National Republican Senatorial Committee. Sen.-elect Marco Rubio, for instance, was the original underdog in the Florida Senate race — the National Republican Senatorial Committee refused to endorse him, in fact, endorsing his opponent, outgoing Governor Charlie Crist who was so scandal-plagued that the Florida GOP auctioned an improperly commissioned portrait of him on eBay.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer......z14PgtIlrE

JJ| 11.7.10 @ 12:34PM

I just traveled over the the NRCC website and gave them a piece of my mind.

Petronius| 11.5.10 @ 9:59AM

Both political parties have one unspoken but shared objective: prevent the general population from accumulating wealth. They know that when people come into enough money to live as they like, they stop voting. And nothing scares them more than the prospect of more people having money than not. Politicians want the rest of us to need them. We don't want any politicians: not One. We want Statesmen and Women who will take to themselves the task of defending Our Liberty by breaking the stranglehold these control freaks now have on our lives and estates as individuals. I saw a sign at the last Teaparty. "Does Obamacare Cover Tar and Feathers?"
Here,here!

Chef Schnauzer| 11.6.10 @ 9:09AM

Petronius - Sadly, you are correct. My parents, both first generation Americans believed with all their hearts that getting involved, donating, and ultimately voting was the key to the City on the Hill. By the time of his death, after chairing several federal level campaigns, donating and so on Dad had come to the conclusion it was all for naught. I would like to believe he was right on both counts. It is a certainty that he was right on the second. At this point, either the military command structure sits the blithering idiots at the Capitol and White House down and like a puppy puts their nose in poop and whacks them with a newspaper or the people save the Constitution and burn every last vestige of a disgusting cesspool, monuments, domes, everything.

russel| 11.5.10 @ 10:17AM

The words the author seems to completely ignore are Declaration Of Independence and Constutution . In those documents " We the people " will be found and illustrated more than once . Mob is not mentioned once . Our country is a Republic , not a democracy , which tends toward ' mob ' rule . That's why our Founders did not establish a democracy . They sought a revolving door of sorts , a door of citizens , a slice of each section of the country - ' ordinary ' people if you will . They abhorred the thought of a group of professional politicians such as was found in England . We have had this very group of career , professional pols for far to long now . They are , just as the Founders feared , the root of our country's problems . They fend for themselves , not the country . Mr. Homnick , if this is what you are pining for , go join them .

james wilson| 11.5.10 @ 10:59AM

To the contrary, for the first time it was the mob which knew where it was going and found a lack of politicians it could lead there.

Margie| 11.5.10 @ 11:15AM

Mr. Homnick I'm not so sure your thinking is quite correct in this matter as far as thinking of the TEA party as a mob.. if that is what you are trying to infer.

The TEA partiers (for the most part except the anti-war, anti-Israel faction), are regular Americans who have been voting and living conservative lives for decades. The difference this time around: THEY JUST GOT OUT AND VOTED!!
Granted there are some who used to vote Deomocrat and are turning to conservatism because they are sick and tired of creeping Socialism and have began to wake up to that fact.

But I'd say that regular Americans already ARE the TEA party or you could say the TEA party IS THEM and they are no mob.
You say that "they were elected not because they were our guys but because they were not-those-other-guys."
Nah, they're just regualar Americans who got up off their duffs, out the door to the polling places and made their vote count!!
Just my opinion.

Tim*| 11.5.10 @ 11:45AM

Asked & Answered Ad infinitum Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie

The Tea Party does not regard The Israel Issue,as a priorty Issue. Read Our Mission Statement & Core Values & Philosophy Statements.

"Congressman Louie Gohmert is a member of the newly-formed Tea Party caucus in the House as are several other co-sponsors of H.Res. 1553. Gohmert addressed suggestions that this bill is the Tea Party’s foray into foreign policy, saying, “The resolution has nothing to do with the Tea Party caucus, but does have everything to do with national and international security and stability."

The tea Party Rebellionis now inside Congress & The GOP.

Carpe Diem.

Occam's Tool| 11.5.10 @ 4:56PM

Right, Tim*. The Tea Party, unlike Keith Olbermann, Michael Moore, Dennis Kucinich, etc. and other Lefties you closely identify with on foreign policy issues, is not anti-Israel. The LEFTIES, like yourself, are.

Tim*| 11.5.10 @ 9:26PM

Asked & Answered Ad infinitum RINO-CINO NeoCon Israel Firster AgendaBoy.

The Tea Party does not regard The Israel Issue, as a priority Issue. Read Our Mission Statement & Core Values & Philosophy Statements.

The Tea Party Rebellion is inside Congress & The GOP.
Who You Callin' Lefty , Israel Firster SmearBoy ?
We Gun & Bible Pennsylvania Tea Party Rebels Got Our Tea Party Candidate Pat Toomey into The Senate, after We Purged Your Boy Arlen Specter.

Carpe Diem.

Margie| 11.8.10 @ 1:55PM

"Asked & Answered Ad infinitum RINO-CINO NeoCon Israel Firster AgendaBoy."

Sieg Heil!

John Navratil| 11.5.10 @ 11:25AM

What crap is this?

So the mob has installed a new crowd with unkempt hair and dirt under their finger nails, it has committed the atrocity of displacing those who suits fits and whose shoes are shined. And all this will play into the hands of Dingy Harry who will bury us?

I don't think so!

If you wanted to say, as it appears so in the last paragraph, that the movement must be sustained, you could have done so with much less arrogance and dismissal of the 90 million, or so, who took the time to vote. Mob, indeed!

Perusha| 11.5.10 @ 11:57AM

The concept of a mob, in my own Manichean understanding, is a subset of the most basic concept of a group.

First comes a born INDIVIDUAL, a ONE = a single person, and as life goes on, myriad kinds of associations of these = us are formed, some consciously and others not.

Also, they change and are full of hope, despite what happens.

However, probably an even deeper way of understanding the group-individual splitting headache, that our oh-so-human reality must be, might emanate from the bright-line wisdom of this---you are never in danger of knowing ANYTHING!

In a most profound sense, ignorance is bliss!

Of course, in our normal current level of human discourse, re mobs et al, we can’t evade our prime responsibility to be conventionally INFORMED.

So, another essential division is between order-chaos.

“Mob” seems to me to indicate disorder, or anarchy, and there is certainly a dark tinge of that manifesting itself throughout the human LIVING condition, witness all the rage caused by and within Islam!

Remember the Kingston Trio? In the 60’s, these three guys were seminal “warriors” in the folk music genre, and their first hit, “Hang Down Your Head, Tom Dooley”, still resonates within my own memory bank.

“A fool or a witty, don’t let her die an old maid, but take her out of pity.”

This phrase from on of their songs randomly flees from my gray matter---

Also---

“What do you take me for, a fool?”

The whole enchilada of human relationships, epitomized by the higher “art” of elite political wrangling, can be usefully understood , IMHO, by considering the many ways the concept of “fool” can be applied to them.

We just (it seems to me!) endured the last great “fool” hope, from Hope, Arkansas, who enlightened us with his insightful reminder, “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”. Saying this, while HE, HIMSELF, was, and is, the essence of fooling!

And, now, the “fool” dimension has evolved even higher, almost unbelievably, with the arrival of the anointed one, BHO! Talk about the greater FOOL theory---in practice!

Well, I have, MYSELF, a couple of pithy and witty old “fool” ditties, that I think help us play the BHO “recording”---

We all know a fool when we see one, but never when we ARE one.

Let THAT swish around in your processing brain for a while, and expand its shining light of Truth on both BHO and each single other human who has to deal with him—including you.

First, way too many Americans---and, non-Americans, in spades!---did not see BHO as the fool he is, and were thus fooled: ergo, they ARE fools! A fool, fooling others?

Second, as witnessed by the latest presser by BHO, he absolutely does NOT know that he is a fool! He definitely sees the American public as---FOOLS! Why don’t they recognize his greatness? What fools you---we---are!

Here’s another hoary “fool” saying---

You may look like a fool, but why remove all doubt by opening your mouth?

NOW, I, personally, have lived quite long enough, thank you, to have learned the value of SILENCE! (That other old admonition, to not say anything about someone unless it’s a compliment, seems to stem from this wise take.) Boy, was my youth ever a living hell, because I couldn’t keep my mouth shut, so eager was I to tell the truth as I saw it---young Narcissus, in diapers, for way too long!

What is a “fool”, anyway?

Another linked memory---wasn’t it once reported that the Catholic Supreme Court Justice Anthony Scalia was an admitted “fool for God”?

You could have fooled me!

It takes one to know one!

Somehow, this rant about “fool” has brought me to a wonderful choice paradox that took my own foolish life into sheer---what?

“The moment a man attains Enlightenment he is swallowed up in the absolute. There is no stage when he can declare that he is freed; he cannot leave any kind of record. Logically, he cannot even know that he is free; as long as he is in bondage, it would be false to if he took himself to be free; and when he is free, he is no longer there to know that he is free as he is immediately merged in the absolute.”

From “The Central Philosophy of Buddhism”, by T.R.V. Murti, 1955, a book about Madhyamika Buddhism from the “point of view” of Nagarjuna (circa A.D. 150) page 279

These words are meant as a set up; and next, in the book, the author "resolves" the paradox, in his own way, basically “proving” that there exist Enlightened Beings, like Buddha, Jesus, Krisha, and many other lesser know humans, through time, who can be in both the phenomenal AND the absolute realms, simultaneously.

One of my favorite metaphors is the spinning pottery wheel.

We, as humans very much resemble one, and so if/when one attains Enlightenment, while spinning, the inertia of the “wheel” = the human one means that even as it slows down, such an awakened one CAN be at once in the phenomenal realm and the Absolute ONE.

Me---life’s ONLY paradoxical!

Pity the FOOL!

CalMark| 11.5.10 @ 12:24PM

The voters, a mob? Taking a line from the liberal Democrats! Joined their ranks, have you then, Mr. Homnick?

Who ran the nasty smear campaigns? The ugly, untrue personal attacks? The vicious character assassination ploys? Who turned out REAL mobs on buses, mindless robo-voters for a specific candidate or party? You know, all the hallmarks of real political mob rule.

Why, it was the Democrats! Not the Republicans--in fact, Sharon Angle LOST to a Dingy Harry-run rent-a-mob.

Next time, Mr. Homnick, get your facts straight before you tar and feather the people whose ideology gives you a soapbox. Or else join Frum and his ilk wherever they've slunk off to.

Patrick| 11.5.10 @ 11:14PM

I think Jay Homnick meant the word "mob" more in the way of a disorganized gathering of angry people armed with torches and pitchforks, looking to storm Frankenstein's castle.

After all, there's no point to making an article about which party is on the mafia payroll.

Margie| 11.5.10 @ 12:39PM

Michele Bachmann on Israel:

"I am convinced in my heart and in my mind that if the United States fails to stand with Israel, that is the end of the United States . . . [W]e have to show that we are inextricably entwined, that as a nation we have been blessed because of our relationship with Israel, and if we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play. And my husband and I are both Christians, and we believe very strongly the verse from Genesis [Genesis 12:3], we believe very strongly that nations also receive blessings as they bless Israel. It is a strong and beautiful principle.

Right now in my own private Bible time, I am working through Isaiah . . . and there is continually a coming back to what God gave to Israel initially, which was the Torah and the Ten Commandments, and I have a wonderful quote from John Adams that if you will indulge me [while I find it] . . . [from his February 16, 1809 letter to François Adriaan van der Kemp]:

I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations. If I were an atheist of the other sect, who believe or pretend to believe that all is ordered by chance, I should believe that chance had ordered the Jews to preserve and propagate to all mankind the doctrine of a supreme, intelligent, wise, almighty sovereign of the universe, which I believe to be the great essential principle of all morality, and consequently of all civilization.

. . . So that is a very long way to answer your question, but I believe that an explicit statement from us about our support for Israel as tied to American security, we would do well to do that."

True conservatives stand with other true conservatives and conservatives in the House of Representatives who are members of the TEA party caucus and unite in standing with our ally Israel.
Ron Paul was absent as his ilk is not in agreement.
The anti-Israel faction of the TEA party is not in agreement with America's values and freedoms.

As a Christian and a conservative Republican I proudly take my stand with true conservatives of like mind.

Tim*| 11.5.10 @ 1:09PM

Once again, Asked & Answered Ad infinitum Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie

The Tea Party does not regard The Israel Issue, as a priorty Issue.
Read Our Mission Statement & Core Values & Philosophy Statements.

We Tea Party Rebel neither desire nor have Designated Leaders.These Elected Tea Party Congressmen And Senators are The Hired Help.

We don't, as You Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie, have a Litmus Test on Their Personal Foreign Policy thoughts.

You have a Thorn Up Your Fat Ass over Sarah Palin's & Our Tea Party Kingmaker Senator Jim Demint's Endorsements of Tea Party Senator from The Commonwealth of Kentucky.

Deal With It Neocon RINO-CINO Crazy Zany Lady.
The Tea Party is now inside Congress & The GOP.

Carpe Diem.

Ken (Old Texican)| 11.5.10 @ 4:58PM

Margie,

Nice post, and a splendid quote. You never cease to amaze me.

I do hope one person here will borrow $10 from his mom to buy my E-novel. He might actually learn something.
Unlike you and Vic, he doesn't know who I lunch with day to day. (smile)
He could contact me through sales@texassaidno.com and keep his name under mom's petti-coats. I would send him a review copy no charge.
He won't though.
He thrives on ignorance.

Tim*| 11.5.10 @ 6:31PM

Now why would Kenny The Squirrel need to borrow $10 from his mommy to buy his own Vanity E-Novel.

He musta drank his allowance money for the week.

Sober Up Old Man.
Then Get Bent .

The Tea Party Rebellion is inside Congress & The GOP

Carpe Diem.

Margie| 11.5.10 @ 9:07PM

Thank you, Ken.
The wonderful friendship you've shown to me and my husband is greatly appreciated!

Occam's Tool| 11.5.10 @ 5:03PM

Face it Margie, Tim* likes throwing acid in the faces of little girls trying to learn their ABCs, loves child forced marriages, and adored the guys who mutilated the Afghan teenage girl. He hates Israel, loves jihadis, just like his pal Ron Paul. He also, no doubt, loves David Duke and StormFront.

Look, some guys are Joe Sobrans on the Right, but there are a hell of a lot more Noam Chomskys on the Left. I'm happy with the Tea Party movement because most Conservatives recognize that Islamism is bad. Tim* is just a moron.

Tim*| 11.5.10 @ 6:41PM

You're a Liar, Slandering Israel Firster Agenda Boy Tool Job.
I care more about My United States of America and Our National Interests than I do about Middle East Sand Monkeys & Their Tribal Wars.

Now, tell us all about Israel Spies Ben Ami Kadish & Jonny Pollard and how they had The same Israeli handler out of The Israeli Consulate in NYC. Then tell us about Israeli Company Checkpoint getting the same Bum's Rush Treatment that Dubai Portds got from C.F.I.U.S. regarding Checkpoint's Sourcefire deal.

You're Up Israel Firster .

The Tea Party Rebellion is inside Congress & The GOP.

Carpe Diem.

Margie| 11.5.10 @ 9:17PM

OT,

Agreed. Like I said, most Americans don't appreciate the anti-Israel anti-war faction slipping in pretending to be conservatives in the TEA parties. I don't think many even know about it. That's why I'm super glad there's this resolution in the House of Reps and that Michele Bachmann and many others are aware of it. They'll come to nought anyhow, (the Leftist Libertarians) just like they always do.

Like Michelle Malkin said, they're anti-war smear merchants in Republican's clothing:

http://michellemalkin.com/2010.....-clothing/

The whole vile lot of them.

Tim*| 11.5.10 @ 9:44PM

Once again, Asked & Answered Ad infinitum Israel Firster Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie

Apocalyptic Crank Lady Israel Firster Victor-Margie is reduced to Badmouthing A Combat Marine.
"Kokesh enlisted in the United States Marine Corps in 1999, while still in high school in New Mexico.In 2004, he served in Fallujah.Working a checkpoint was a responsibility while in Iraq. He brought home a pistol from Iraq in 2004, violating military rules, and preventing him from returning on a second Iraq tour. Kokesh "had risen to the rank of sergeant after three-and-a-half years in the Reserves" and "was demoted to corporal and soon thereafter discharged honorably with a re-enlistment code that basically said, 'you can't re-enlist.'"Kokesh received the Combat Action Ribbon and the Navy Commendation Medal after his honorable discharge and combat in Fallujah."

We Pennsylvania Gun & Bible Clutchin' Tea Party Rebels Got Our Tea Party Candidate Pat Toomey Into The Senate, after We Purged Your RINO-CINO Israel Firster Poster Boy Arlen Specter.

The Tea Party Rebellion is now inside Congress & The GOP.

Carpe Diem.

Martin Treptow| 11.6.10 @ 12:16PM

"The Tea Party does not consider The Israel Issue as a priority Issue"
Perhaps.
First, I was unaware that you spoke for the entire Tea Party, which is, at best, a loose confederation of mostly like-minded individuals.

Second, your particular kind has been around for thousands of years, and anyone who has read The Book can recognize, even at a distance.

Your anti-Semitism is showing. It's peeking out from underneath your skirt.

And, if you feel like responding, watch your language with me, boy.

Cheers!

Tim*| 11.6.10 @ 12:53PM

Aaaaand, I'm aware that you never read Our Tea Party Mission Statement,Core Values and Philosophy.

Aaaaand, I'm also aware that your particular kind attempts to play The Anti-Semite Card ad nauseum to forcefeed your Israel Firster Agenda on American Freemen.

Aaaand,your Israel Firster Neocon Pussy is peekin' out from underneath your skirt Girl.

How's that for watchin' my language Cupcake?
Hmmmmm ?

Tea Party Patriots Mission Statement and Core Values

Mission Statement
The impetus for the Tea Party movement is excessive government spending and taxation. Our mission is to attract, educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure public policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets.

Core Values

* Fiscal Responsibility
* Constitutionally Limited Government
* Free Markets


Fiscal Responsibility: Fiscal Responsibility by government honors and respects the freedom of the individual to spend the money that is the fruit of their own labor. A constitutionally limited government, designed to protect the blessings of liberty, must be fiscally responsible or it must subject its citizenry to high levels of taxation that unjustly restrict the liberty our Constitution was designed to protect. Such runaway deficit spending as we now see in Washington D.C. compels us to take action as the increasing national debt is a grave threat to our national sovereignty and the personal and economic liberty of future generations.

Constitutionally Limited Government: We, the members of The Tea Party Patriots, are inspired by our founding documents and regard the Constitution of the United States to be the supreme law of the land. We believe that it is possible to know the original intent of the government our founders set forth, and stand in support of that intent. Like the founders, we support states' rights for those powers not expressly stated in the Constitution. As the government is of the people, by the people and for the people, in all other matters we support the personal liberty of the individual, within the rule of law.

Free Markets: A free market is the economic consequence of personal liberty. The founders believed that personal and economic freedom were indivisible, as do we. Our current government's interference distorts the free market and inhibits the pursuit of individual and economic liberty. Therefore, we support a return to the free market principles on which this nation was founded and oppose government intervention into the operations of private business.

Our Philosophy
Tea Party Patriots, Inc. as an organization believes in the Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government, and Free Markets. Tea Party Patriots, Inc. is a non-partisan grassroots organization of individuals united by our core values derived from the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States of America, the Bill Of Rights as explained in the Federalist Papers. We recognize and support the strength of grassroots organization powered by activism and civic responsibility at a local level. We hold that the United States is a republic conceived by its architects as a nation whose people were granted "unalienable rights" by our Creator. Chiefly among these are the rights to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Tea Party Patriots stand with our founders, as heirs to the republic, to claim our rights and duties which preserve their legacy and our own. We hold, as did the founders, that there exists an inherent benefit to our country when private property and prosperity are secured by natural law and the rights of the individual.

Martin Treptow| 11.6.10 @ 3:01PM

A movement with zero to say on foreign policy is a movement that will cede the Senate and the entire Executive Branch to anyone that can articulate a vision that sees past the shoreline.

Limited government, lower taxes, reduced Federal regulation except over the international borders, etc. I get it. A good Chief Executive can get those balls rolling in the first 100 days.

But what then?

The greatest Tea Partier of them all, Ronald Reagan, had a Foreign Policy.

And thanks for your polite language, but only anti-Semites call other people, "Israel Firsters".

And realizing that there are a whole bunch of other Nations in the world, whether they mean us well or ill, does not make one a "neocon".

A Tea Party that does not define a Foreign Policy will be limited to the House of Representatives and will ensure RINO's (at best) occupy 1600 Penn. Ave

Cheers!

Tim*| 11.6.10 @ 4:46PM

Horsecrap Israel Firster!

The Tea Party believes in Constitutionally Limited Government ,The Power to Declare War rests with Congress,The Senate's Advice & Consent in The Appointment of Ambassadors, The Senate's Ratification of Treaties ,Etc.
Read The Freakin' Constitution Numbnuts.
We have no written Treaty with Israel

Aaaaand, We Tea Party Rebels got 5 of The 6 New Republican Senate Seats : Pat Toomey in The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Dr.Rand Paul in The Commonwealth of Kentucky, Mike Lee in Utah, Marco Rubio in Florida and Ron Johnson in Wisconsin.
We Tea Party Rebels also got 40+ Congressmen into The House.

Aaaand, You got it Ass Backwards Israel Firster AgendaBoy. Only Israel Firsters repeatedly attempt to Play The Anti-Semite Card .
Aaaand,
Ronald Reagan:
"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."

Margie| 11.6.10 @ 5:23PM

Aaaand the rest of this quote from Reason Mag, interview in 1975 continues:

"Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.

Reason: Governor, could you give us some examples of what you would consider to be proper functions of government?

REAGAN: Well, the first and most important thing is that government exists to protect us from each other. Government exists, of course, for the defense of the nation, and for the defense of the rights of the individual. Maybe we don’t all agree on some of the other accepted functions of government, such as fire departments and police departments–again the protection of the people."

Heh, if he only knew that the anti-semites and anti-war zombies are what makes up the Libertarianism of today's party is.. he'd be turning over in his grave.

http://reason.com/archives/1975/07/01/inside-ronald-reagan

Martin Treptow| 11.6.10 @ 6:14PM

Oops, Tim*.
It's better not to quote the man, unless you have studied the man.

Or, were you just trying to be disingenuous by purposefully omitting the rest of the quote?

Aaaand, since I am not an Israel Firster, your circular logical claim that that doesn't make you an anti-Semite, is, well a non-sequitur.

We agree on much. We would be on the same side of almost every domestic issue.

But we don't live in a bubble, and Foreign Policy is much more than Treaties and War Powers.
I guess when the talk turns to Foreign Affairs, y'all Libertarians can leave the room and let the adults talk.

Cheers!

Tim*| 11.6.10 @ 7:04PM

Oops my Ass !

I've study Reagan & I've Studied His Supply Side Economics and The Laffer Curve. Aaaand, I've Studied Reagan & Cap Weinberger "Cap The Knife".

Asked & Answered.
Again Israel Firster Read The Tea Party Mission Statement & Then Read The Constitution.
This Ain't Rocket Science Sport.

Martin Treptow| 11.6.10 @ 6:15PM

Who's awesome, Margie?

You're awesome!

Margie| 11.6.10 @ 6:53PM

Why thank you. Martin Treptow! So are you. I encourage you to continue taking on this posse of current Libertarianism.. it isn't conservative at all, and certainly not in the Reagan mould.

Timmy* Boy's little man stunts need to be exposed.. he's in a gang of thieves trying to co-opt not only Reagan but the TEA party and Republican party.

Heh, no can do, pals.

Tim*| 11.6.10 @ 7:09PM

You had better not be a Catholic or a Practicing Jew Or Practicing Muslim, just for starters Bud.

Apocalyptic Crank Lady's Got Problems with Everybody who doesn't Asskiss Her Literal Interpretation of The Bible .

This Broad Is American Spectator's Resident Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie.

Margie| 11.6.10 @ 7:37PM

The Bible says that liars go to Hell.
You will soon find out the literal meaning of that, dude.

Tim*| 11.6.10 @ 8:08PM

Now Anti-Catholic Apocalyptic Crank Lady tell My Apparently Fellow Catholic Martin Your "Truth " about Our Priests & Our Pope And Our Church.

You're Up Anti-Catholic Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie.

Tim*| 11.6.10 @ 6:47PM

DUUUUUUHHHH !

Aaaand, Your Point Is ?

Ronald Reagan:
" But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path."

Reason: Governor, could you give us some examples of what you would consider to be proper functions of government?

REAGAN: Well, the first and most important thing is that government exists to protect us from each other. Government exists, of course, for the defense of the nation, and for the defense of the rights of the individual. Maybe we don’t all agree on some of the other accepted functions of government, such as fire departments and police departments–again the protection of the people."

Double DUUUUHHHH !
Fire Departments are primarily either Local Government Organizations or Volunteer Organizations.
Police Departments likewise, are primarily Local Government Organizations with auxiliary Police and many Private Security firms.
There

Tim*| 11.6.10 @ 7:19PM

Yeeesss !

JoePa just got his 400th victory.

We multi-taskers got our priorities.
Watch The Nittany's open a second half Can of Whup Ass on NW. Lift Iron, Insult Crank Lady Victor-Margie.

Martin Treptow| 11.6.10 @ 7:36PM

"You had better not be a Catholic, or Practicing Jew, or a Muslim for starters, Bud"

Here we go...

I should have known. I guess you're a member of either:
A) One of those fuzzy, feelgood Christian sects where nothing is "wrong", evil is subjective and whatever "personal relationship" you want to have with the Savior is just peachy, or
B) One of those every-word-in-The-Bible- is- the literal-damn-truth-except-for-the-passages-that-are-inconvenient-and-the-Old-Testament-doesn't-count churches?

Given your anti-Semitism, I'm going to guess B and say, Pentecostal? It does not matter to me.

My faith is over 2000 years old, and draws it's origination from Simon Peter, to whom the Lord said, "you are Rock, and upon this Rock I will build My Church".

Your denomination was founded by a man, separated by almost two millenia from the Christ. It retains it's following by being only what the true faith is not. (And providing a safe harbor to those who wish to find justification in their hatred of His Chosen People)

BTW, when you look at the phrase I copied from your post, how does it feel to share your twisted brand of Christianity with the Ku Klux Klan?

Cheers!

Tim*| 11.6.10 @ 7:54PM

DUUUUUHHHHH !

Wow ! Your Ass Is Really Screwed On Backwards .

Man You' Either Need Readin' Glass . Or You're Dyslexic or You're An Illiterate Bufffoon.

I'm A Catholic ,You Clown
Margie Got A Problem With We Catholics.

Then Ask Her Where All The Paracticing Jews & Muslims Go .

Wake Up Stupid.

Martin Treptow| 11.6.10 @ 8:38PM

My apologies.

Your manners are getting worse as the day wears on, you must be drinking.

Cheers!

Tim*| 11.6.10 @ 9:27PM

I don't Drink.

Now, Say Three Hail Mary's, Make a Good Act of Contrition and Go Forth And Sin No More.
Bless You My Boy.

Oh Yeah ! Ask Anti-Catholic Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie about Our Priests Hearin' Our Confessions.

Margie| 11.6.10 @ 10:26PM

Mr. Treptow,

For the record: I have no problem with Catholics. I have a problem with abusive Catholics.

My argument is with any doctrine of any Religion which isn't Biblical.. but not with individuals who are decent human beings who believe in Jesus, as I trust you do as well.

God bless.

Tim*| 11.6.10 @ 10:53PM

You're A Phoney Sociopathic Fanatic Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie.

You're A lapsed Catholic of Catholic parents, with a perpetual Ax to Grind against The Catholic Church,The Pope, The Priests And Catholics,Who don't heal to your Apocalyptic Views On Religion or allow you to shove your personal interpretation of The Bible up Their Keisters.

Aaand you're a Fanatic ,who throws your version of The Truth Into Peoples Faces & Your one Nasty Ass Bitch About It.

Don't let Her Bullcrap Ya, Catholic Martin. She'll attempt to Rip Ya A New Asshole, If Ya Dare To Cross Her Agenda. Read Her Charming Christian Luv over on The Gary Johnson vs. Sarah Palin Thread.

A Word To The Wise.

Margie| 11.7.10 @ 1:27PM

Nasty you say?
Hmmm.

Martin Treptow| 11.7.10 @ 2:47PM

Margie, the Holy Roman Church is populated by humans, who do sometimes err.
As they say in sports, "hate the player, don't hate the game".

Tim*
As a Catholic, I consider myself a Perfected Jew.
Aaaand my faith informs many of many political beliefs: Right to Life, Anti-Capital Punishment, respect for the Rule of Law, and, yes, defense of the State of Israel. If for no other reason than it's MY Holy Land, too.
Libertarians still need to pull their head out of the sand and live in the world. The things you believe, when applied to Foreign Policy, make sense, too.

Cheers!

Margie| 11.7.10 @ 3:16PM

Martin:

The only thing I truly hate are lies and liars, and do not allow anyone to define me, such as the likes of Tim*.

What I love is the Bible and the Author,) the only True God and Creator of the universe), of said book, and I also love those who love Him.

God bless.

Tim*| 11.7.10 @ 7:49PM

Now, As " Self-Labeled "Truth Teller" Anti-Catholic Crank Lady Victor-Margie Can Tell Martin all About Our Catholic Pope, Our Catholic Priests &Our; Catholic Church.

Aaaand Bless You, You Anti-Catholic Piece Of White Trash JoiseyGirl Garbage Victor-Margie.

Margie| 11.7.10 @ 8:41PM

"..but no human being can tame the tongue--a restless evil, full of deadly poison. With it we bless the Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who are made in the likeness of God." Jas. 3:8 & 9.

Tim*| 11.7.10 @ 7:43PM

Uh Oh !
Wow, If You Say That, As A Catholic, You're A Perfect Jew ,Then You're Sayin' Jews Ain't Perfect Jews. Boy, That'll Really Sell In Tel Aviv.

Aaaand, Ya Still Don't Get It Martin *.

The Tea Party Is The Ronald Reagan Answer To The Libertarian Party .

Deal With It Israel Firster.

By The Way, The United States Has No Written Treaty with Israel.

Tim*| 11.7.10 @ 7:56PM

And Bitch I Say.

Hoooooooooo.

Margie| 11.7.10 @ 2:46PM

Yes please do read the thread as it is extremely informative!

Tim*| 11.7.10 @ 7:53PM

Yes Martin Anti-Catholic Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie Thinks Everything She Spews Is Informative.

It Informs Us That She's A Psychotic Fanatic Anti-Catholic, Anti-Everybody Else Who Dares Oppose & Stand In The Way Of Her Version Of Religion & Politics.

Margie| 11.7.10 @ 8:37PM

The Bible informs all of us as to His way.

"Jesus said to him, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but by Me." Jn. 14:6.

No one can stand in His way.

"You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist His will?" Rom. 9:19.

And He opposes everyone who rejects His way.

"He who believes in Him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the Name of the only Son of God." Jn. 3:18.

Tim*| 11.8.10 @ 12:58AM

Zzzzzzzzzz !

Oh Lordy, Lordy Hypocrite Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie.

Now where's the part where ya repeatedly call us snakes, vile scumbags and throw us other assorted colorful Agape Love Bouquets .

Get Bent

Margie| 11.8.10 @ 12:59PM

You mock God.
You mock His words.
You mock Christians.
You mock conservatives.
You mock Jews.

That is vile.
You are a snake.
You are a liar.
You have no shame.
Worse yet you actually pretend to be one of us.
Ha!

irish19| 11.7.10 @ 11:53PM

Timmy Boy, do us all a favor and get your meds adjusted. You are an absolute shining example of everything bad the libs say about us.
You want to start insulting me, boy? Bring it!

Tim*| 11.8.10 @ 12:43AM

O.K. ! Get Bent irish 19 Twerp

How Am I Doin' ?

irish19| 11.8.10 @ 12:01PM

About like I expected, Timmy. Childish and amateurish. You obviously haven't adjusted your meds yet or you might be able to come up with something better than "Get bent"
You said earlier you don't drink. Maybe you should start.

Margie| 11.8.10 @ 12:56PM

Tim* IS a Liberal.
He is worse than a Liberal.
Face it.

irish19| 11.8.10 @ 3:39PM

Margie,
I know it's generally considered bad form and counterproductive to feed the trolls, but I just can't help myself. His kind of mil-spec stupid just isn't generally available to civilians. But yet, there it is, free for the fisking. Sorry.....sort of.

RCV| 11.8.10 @ 7:29PM

As a liberal, I can assure you he is no liberal, in any sense of the word. I can fully appreciate why you conservatives don't want him in your camp, but the reality is that Libertarians are rightists, just as their counterparts on our end of the specturm, the anarchists of Naohm Chomsky stripe are our cross to bear.

gearjammer| 11.5.10 @ 12:42PM

What are you people talking about ? We are at war with thugs and goons, otherwise known as democrats. It is a cold war not a hot war. A " protracted struggle" as the erudite used to say. In a hot war you need bulllets to win. In a cold war, you need another kind of bullets-money. We control the money machine now, not totally but quite enough to well watch them crumble from within. How in the name of of RUSH can California survive without money from the enemey extacted and sent to them as we saw in the past 2 years it is over. The mob are just a bunch of hardworking people who are saying-it is my money and I wanna keep it. If, I wanna buy government services I wanna do locally so I can keep an eye on things-less likely to get ripped off ! MONEY MONEY MONEY_IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY! Please let's not go all egghead now. Dutch Reagan did not go egghead and do what all the eggheads wanted about the Soviet Union-he kept it simple and stood firm and the commies collapsed. What remains of the true democrat power base-California, New Yor, Mass., Maryland, samll states like Vermaon, Rhody-I guess Washington, Oregon-let them fail-deny them bullets-MONEY MONEY MONEY.And then we WIN!

InLineFour| 11.5.10 @ 1:00PM

20 years ago I subscribed to TAS' print edition, partly because PJ O'Rourke was a contributing writer. I miss him.

Pat Henry| 11.5.10 @ 1:28PM

Did our colleagues on the left side of isle not recall the reaction of the American electorate when Slick Willie tried the same stunt? Why do they seem surprised at the outcome of the election now? Did they truly believe the people's attitudes had changed that much in in 16 years? Were they trusting in their ability to change the minds of the voters? Did they decide to jump on the grenade to take one for the cause? Were they just fools, or could they be attempting to throw the election knowing something we do not as of yet? Something is fishy in DC folks, and it is not the mob!

PattyMor| 11.5.10 @ 3:52PM

Its hard to have an intelligent conversation with liberals. I Know I am a sister to two of them. I feel that I must have dropped from an alternative
universe. Facts don't matter. They are tied to DemoCrats as the party of the "little people". It doesn't matter how much debt Obama is racking up, Bush did it too. It just doesn't dawn on them, that after they run out of the rich to tax, they are next.

Ken (Old Texican)| 11.5.10 @ 5:07PM

Patty,
Hello and welcome.

Don't use "facts" to move them. Utilize emotion.

IE: "Sisters, the poor idiots are killing your future!"

Claudia Monteverdi| 11.5.10 @ 6:05PM

Jay, Jay, Jay...damned if you ain't done it again whilst bruising the googling ganglia of the fidelistas (not FIDELISTAS)..lower case, fidelistas, in it's lovely explicit Latin sense)...your article is of course spot on, much as it upsets these ginks...All the Bill of Rights and Constitition lip service is hogwash..one man's MOB is another's MAJORITY--get it Ginks?

As to your spelunking-(OMG you actully said that) you mention that you are getting your most vital feedbacks, among other locations, in the cafeteria--that explains all--In my cafeteria, where Max Podos (formerly of the Midwood Delicatessen, Brooklyn, New York, U.S. (we cater weddings and bar mitzvahs) Max, who's mission in life is Putting Some Class on our Middles...Max says--despise that Reid schmgeggy..but the chilaria running agauinst him was a nightmare--(He's OK with that one)-The Witch? A schtarbe a weg...a bad joke--he can live with that Coons (he said something else rather punny which I do not DARE repeat)---Rand, a kleine shweine, a horror, Good that he won aginst his fellow mumser...Paladino he rather liked, looked like a good tipper he added, glaring at me....

Jay the swine aint gobbling up your pearls since in my little mind, that just (with noteable exceptions) do not catch on to your extraordinary wit and supreme intelligence-This column was a classsic adventure in saying everything yet saying nothing--the preamble warned you guys and dolls---read it asgain and this time try hard to think...OK?

Jay, a masterpiece, the most profioudly exact analysis I have yet to read.

Yours supinely,
Claudia

Margie| 11.5.10 @ 6:35PM

Ginks?
No I don't get it, Claudia.
Perhaps you could spell it out for us in terms we little people can understand, ok?
Gee thanks ever so much.

Claudia Monteverdi| 11.5.10 @ 6:51PM

Dear Margie,

Wouldn't you know it would be the Little People sloshin around in the Obama Aftermath--Begorra My Lass, what the good Jay be sayin is
wake up me hearties---that was only the shot above the bow..we gotta behave ourselves, be coherant, be honest, be disciplined, be smart--and the Howling Voices are JUST THAT Howliing Voices--whether they are Waiting foir Lefty or Praying for Ronnie--we should watch our respective ASSES..Ok my dear?
Jay has the rather unique skill of being able to present profound theses in their aintitheses and larded with wit--GREAT APPLAUSE JAY!

In the immortal words of Lord Patrick O'Gink of county Clare....CHRISTIE and RUBIO in 2012 and isnt Haley Barbour just fine?

And WTF is that POT OF GOLD you were supposed to be giving me?
Claudia

Margie| 11.5.10 @ 7:32PM

Well Miss Claudia,

Suffice to say.. rather than get into all the other stuff..

CHRISTIE and RUBIO in 2012 and Haley Barbour IS certainly VERY fine. :^)

Yosemeti Sam| 11.6.10 @ 11:16AM

" ... The euphoria over victories this Election Day by candidates with a tempered view of governance is mostly appropriate. Whoop it up, I say. Sing it from the rooftops. Shout it into the ether. Cry all the havoc your little heart desires. When you have gotten all that out of your system and objectivity begins to regain some of its appeal, you might want to consider the slight shading of downside at the bottom of your screen. It is this: to some extent these new Republicans were elected by the mob...."

MOB?

Most GRATUITOUSLY UNKIND description!

But if it makes you SOB that WE THE MOB have cast out devils in the Congress - well, THEN, you have made our day!

martin j smith| 11.6.10 @ 4:57PM

This eletion was not a "gift" to the Republican Party, it was a referrendum on Obama and the Left Socialist agenda of Reid and p Pelosi. It was a vote of "No Confidence". The establishment of both Parties are on notice. the Tea Party--the ordinary citizens are fed up.
Do not trust Obama for a nano-second. He is who he is--a Ceasar Chavez wanna be. Strong backbones will be required. Monitor the Rinos.
Get on the Repub Elite for the behavior towards Tea Party Candidates.
Monitor every move by George Soros.

Margie| 11.6.10 @ 7:24PM

Heh, Ronald Reagan made a distinction between Libertarian as a party and libertarianism.

And he was not anti-Israel nor was he anti-war, and these are the "planks" of the current Libertarian party.

Oops! And he was.. get ready for it.. pro-Israel!
Guess he must've been an Israel-Firster!

Ronald Reagan:

"Israel exists; it has a right to exist in peace behind secure and defensible borders; and it has a right to demand of its neighbors that they recognize those facts. I have personally followed and supported Israel's heroic struggle for survival, ever since the founding of the State of Israel 34 years ago. In the pre-1967 borders Israel was barely 10 miles wide at its narrowest point. The bulk of Israel's population lived within artillery range of hostile Arab armies. I am not about to ask Israel to live that way again.
Since the foundation of the State of Israel, the United States has stood by her and helped her to pursue security, peace, and economic growth. Our friendship is based on historic moral and strategic ties, as well as our shared dedication to democracy.
For the people of Israel and America are historic partners in the global quest for human dignity and freedom. We will always remain at each other's side."

Let's hear it for Reagan conservatives!

Tim*| 11.6.10 @ 9:39PM

The Reagan Plan
(September 1, 1982)

"Unknown to Israel, the Reagan administration was preparing a new diplomatic initiative for the Middle East, designed to renew the peace process, deal with the Palestinian issue, improve Israel-Egypt relations and provide impetus for Jordan to join the peace process. It was also aimed at pleasing those Arab states who had accepted P. L. 0. evacuees from Beirut and signaling them that the U.S. was not satisfied solely with their departure from Beirut, but was seeking an overall solution. Israel alone was not involved in the new American thinking, and learned of the plan when Ambassador Lewis showed it to Prime Minister Begin who was vacationing in Nahariya. Begin's reaction was: "It is the saddest day of my life" He was determined to reject the plan as not being even a basis for negotiations. "

Claudia Monteverdi| 11.7.10 @ 12:35AM

Tim--utter complete unadulterated undistilled BS....what complete tommyrot---Margie has more brains in her left big toe than you have in that thing you call a head
Love,
Claudia

Tim*| 11.7.10 @ 9:23AM

Who are You Claudio's Sister ?

You're A Liar Girl/Boy.

Do Your Homework Fool.

Get Bent,
Tim*

Tim*| 11.7.10 @ 9:46AM

Do Your Homework RINO-CINO Claudia.

The Tea Party Is A Ronald Reagan Answer to The Libertarian Party
Ronald Reagan:
" If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Inside Congress &The; GOP.

Carpe Diem.

Margie| 11.7.10 @ 1:25PM

"And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." 2 Cor. 11:14.

Tim* no mater how you try, Ronald Reagan was pro-Israel. All the bending and twisting in your attempt to co-opt him to your anti-Israel agenda has failed miserably. I suggest you give it up.

"Since the rebirth of the State of Israel, there has been an ironclad bond between that democracy and this one.

In Israel, free men and women are every day demonstrating the power of courage and faith. Back in 1948 when Israel was founded, pundits claimed the new country could never survive. Today, no one questions that Israel is a land of stability and democracy in a region of tyranny and unrest.

America has never flinched from its commitment to the State of Israel--a commitment which remains unshakable.

Israel exists; it has a right to exist in peace behind secure and defensible borders; and it has a right to demand of its neighbors that they recognize those facts. I have personally followed and supported Israel's heroic struggle for survival, ever since the founding of the State of Israel 34 years ago. In the pre-1967 borders Israel was barely 10 miles wide at its narrowest point. The bulk of Israel's population lived within artillery range of hostile Arab armies. I am not about to ask Israel to live that way again.

Since the foundation of the State of Israel, the United States has stood by her and helped her to pursue security, peace, and economic growth. Our friendship is based on historic moral and strategic ties, as well as our shared dedication to democracy.

For the people of Israel and America are historic partners in the global quest for human dignity and freedom. We will always remain at each other's side."

He was never for a Palestinian state either.
Sorry Charlie.
Ronald Reagan lives inside real pro-Israel conservatives.
We have always been in agreement with true conservatism.
You anti-Israel anti-semites are haters of all that is right and true.
You run your Libertarian anti-Israel candidates in the Republican party in order to get them elected.
That's as far as they go.
They are unelectable beyond where they get to in the party because they vote anti-war and anti-Israel.
That's just the plain truth.
In the meantime we welcome your votes for true conservatives who are pro-Israel.

Carpe Diem bud.

Tim*| 11.7.10 @ 7:28PM

The Tea Party Is The Ronald Reagan Answer To The Libertarian Party.

Now You Deal With That Apocalyptic Psychotic Israel Firster Fanatic Crank Lady Victor-Margie.

Margie| 11.8.10 @ 12:54PM

"Now You Deal With That Apocalyptic Psychotic Israel Firster Fanatic Crank Lady Victor-Margie."

Sieg Heil!

victor| 11.7.10 @ 11:01AM

*Timmy:
"Blah, Blah, Blah"

"On 1 September 1982, U.S. president Ronald Reagan issued a policy statement in the wake of Israel's June 1982 invasion of Lebanon and the successful expulsion of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and its estimated 15,000 fighters from that country, following extensive mediation by U.S. special envoy Philip Habib. In his speech Reagan expressed satisfaction that Lebanon's troubles were over and turned his attention to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Citing the Camp David Accords as its basis, **the Reagan plan called for Arab recognition of Israel** and negotiations over control of an undivided Jerusalem.
** The plan ruled out Israeli sovereignty or permanent control of the West Bank and Gaza, as well as an independent Palestinian state**
**favoring instead a confederation between Jordan and the West Bank and Gaza.**
Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin rejected the plan and reiterated Israel's claim to the West Bank; Arab leaders were less categorical but hardly enthusiastic. The assassination of Lebanese president-elect Bashir Jumayyil two weeks later, the massacre of Palestinian civilians at Sabra and Shatila, the hasty return of U.S. Marines to Beirut, and an ongoing deterioration of the Lebanese situation refocused U.S. attention on Lebanon, however, and the Reagan Plan for Palestinian-Israeli peace fell by the wayside."

Check the ** parts, Timmy

NO Paulestinian Stae and
Jordan controls the West Bank

Tim*| 11.7.10 @ 11:13AM

Aaaand, Your Point about Ronald Reagan & His Plan is What ?
Hmmmmm ?

Say It, Israel Firster Fanatic Broad Victor-Margie !

What's The Matter, Can't Say It ?
Hmmmm?

Margie| 11.8.10 @ 12:54PM

"Say It, Israel Firster Fanatic Broad Victor-Margie !"

Sieg Heil!

victor| 11.7.10 @ 11:01AM

*Timmy:
"Blah, Blah, Blah"

"On 1 September 1982, U.S. president Ronald Reagan issued a policy statement in the wake of Israel's June 1982 invasion of Lebanon and the successful expulsion of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and its estimated 15,000 fighters from that country, following extensive mediation by U.S. special envoy Philip Habib. In his speech Reagan expressed satisfaction that Lebanon's troubles were over and turned his attention to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Citing the Camp David Accords as its basis, **the Reagan plan called for Arab recognition of Israel** and negotiations over control of an undivided Jerusalem.
** The plan ruled out Israeli sovereignty or permanent control of the West Bank and Gaza, as well as an independent Palestinian state**
**favoring instead a confederation between Jordan and the West Bank and Gaza.**
Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin rejected the plan and reiterated Israel's claim to the West Bank; Arab leaders were less categorical but hardly enthusiastic. The assassination of Lebanese president-elect Bashir Jumayyil two weeks later, the massacre of Palestinian civilians at Sabra and Shatila, the hasty return of U.S. Marines to Beirut, and an ongoing deterioration of the Lebanese situation refocused U.S. attention on Lebanon, however, and the Reagan Plan for Palestinian-Israeli peace fell by the wayside."

Check the ** parts, Timmy

NO Paulestinian Stae and
Jordan controls the West Bank

victor| 11.7.10 @ 11:04AM

I forgot to add that the muslim world must recognize Israel's right to not only exist, but defend itself.

As usual, you present only half the story, to try and Co-opt Ronald Reagan into your narrow view and libertarian world.

Tim*| 11.7.10 @ 11:26AM

The Tea Party Is Ronald Reagan's Answer To The Libertarian Party RINO-CINO Israel Firster Fanatic Broad And You Can't Deal With It.

Our Tea Party is now inside Congress & The GOP and You Can't Deal With It RINO-CINO Israel Firster Fanatic Broad.

Carpe Diem.

Margie| 11.7.10 @ 1:12PM

The TEA party is one thing. Your "TEA" party ilk is another.

Tim*| 11.7.10 @ 7:13PM

Your "ILK " Victor-Margie Is Psychotic Israel Firster White Trash Joisey Pig.

Margie| 11.8.10 @ 12:52PM

Sieg Heil!

Tim*| 11.7.10 @ 11:20AM

Gettin' all nervous & atwitter Israel Firster Fanatic Victor-Margie ?

Do You Support Reagan's Plan or Not ?

Hmmmmmmm ?

Bob K.| 11.6.10 @ 7:48PM

Mr. Homnick,
I should have read your perspective first and then I could have responded first, but it is the weekend and there are other things to do besides read and comment to blogs.

You appear to have confused the democratic process with "mob rule," which you know is not the same thing.

Perhaps you were under a pressing deadline and did not think about how insulting this analogy could be?

Try to do better next time.

Tim*| 11.6.10 @ 9:49PM

Gee Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie You must not have received the Memo:
We Tea Party Rebels Ain't The Libertarian Party, but just as Ronald Reagan said, "Ronald Reagan:
"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."

Aaaand,We Tea Party Rebels agree with Ronald Reagan, when he said, "" But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path."

We Tea Party Rebels don't Asskiss Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie's Agenda & It Bugs The Livin' Crap Outta Her.

Tough !
Deal With It Apocalyptic Crank Lady Victor-Margie

Claudia Monteverdi| 11.7.10 @ 12:36AM

TIM? IBID!
Go Margie!
restfully,
Claudia

Tim*| 11.7.10 @ 9:28AM

Asked & Answered Israel Firster RINO-CINOClaudio's Sister.

Claudia? Claudio

Bid This ! Get Bent RINO-CINO Israel Firster GirlieMan.

martin j smith| 11.7.10 @ 8:12AM

This election was mostly and sadly about our domestic economic agenda. Foreign policy in my view sadly played little role. Having said that I will say this: I am tried of hearing the politicians of whatever party reguritate the idea stat " israel has a right to exist" and " right top defend themselves" while taking part in a so called "peace process" that is totally based on the premis--which is false and this a lie--that Arab and Muslim nations are willing on basis to accept a Jewish State if Isreal--if only the Israelis would make enough concessions. This is a, lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No, the only way that any "peace process can be made is if and when Israel as a Jewish State is recognized in principle in exchange for recognition of a so called Palestinian State in principal borders and economic issues to be negotiated. That is the only way. The Arab world/Muslim world will never recognize that the State of Israel as a Jewish State under the current and past "peace process" assumptions. Even under Raegan.

Tim*| 11.7.10 @ 9:58AM

Then You Got No Problem If We Cut The Palestinian & Israeli U.S. Confiscated Taxpayer Money Welfare Checks.

martin j smith| 11.7.10 @ 11:11AM

Tim your thinking is no only not on the same page as mine but not in the same solar system. So there is absolutely no point to even make an effort except to say--than gd in this nation we all have our oppinions ( still ).
I temeber talking to some guyy on a ferry who was defintely espausuing the Left bumper stickers. I was trying to have a Debate" with hm but I have found that it was totally pointless except to say--we will see who is "right' in November. I was in this case. No matter how governments may try to be isolated or avoid involvment in international problems--( I mean US in this case ) they fail even those who will sacrafice other nations lands for the sake of " peace". The truth of this world--the one I live in is that threats from demogogues,racially or religiously nationalistic leaders are innevitable. That is human nature and it will not change. The Hitlers,Stalins, Achmadinaidjads, Hugo Chavez,Vladimir Putins, will come and go but be there they will. I cannot even think about any US leader who I would supportwho would not take their responsibility serious in defending not only our nation but that of our allies. World War II was a lesson in that the US,Britain,France the USSR --the main fools_-thought that talk, the League of nations, whatever would work. It will not and it did not.
So for those in at least my solar system the failure to address foreign policy issues in this election was unfortunate to say the least. It could be disastrous.

Tim*| 11.7.10 @ 11:40AM

Then Ya do Have A Problem, If We Cut The Confiscated American Taxpayers Money To The Palestinians & Israeli's .

Dean from Ohio| 11.7.10 @ 10:03PM

Tim* - your perversion of others' names does not become you.

BTW, it seems that your original namesake was half Jew, half Greek and still stands as the prototypical young Christian pastor who had stomach trouble. You can read about him in two letters in the New Testament bearing your name, and the New Testament book Acts of the Apostles.

You could do much worse than live up to his example.

Tim*| 11.7.10 @ 11:24PM

Thank You Queen From Ohio.

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