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Coons: I Will Bring Yale Divinity School Values to Senate
Witchcraft, Queer Worship, socialism taught at school: O’Donnell opponent salutes atheism.
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Which makes the question for voters in Delaware and across the country a simple one: paycheck or food stamps? A job — or begging from the government?
When you cut through all the academic jargon, intellectual pretense, and nonsense, the end result of the values Chris Coons wishes to bring to Washington from the Yale Divinity School are the same as they always are with the dismal socialist experiment through the centuries. Inducing poverty, financial and personal humiliation, they are legendary in creating unsustainable debt and the cruelest of economic misery. In the case of the values learned at Yale Divinity School by Coons this is all served up with a side dish of utter nuttiness.
And that’s no joke.
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Jeffrey Lord is a former Reagan White House political director and author. He writes from Pennsylvania at jlpa1@aol.com.
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drudge ette obama| 9.27.10 @ 6:18AM
Values-based leadership? Coons makes it sound like something you can adopt on a whim rather than what it should be: a natural and nondeliberate act. Smug man.
RAMIII| 9.27.10 @ 5:59PM
Ayn Rand classified people like Coons as "Looters". They think wealth is evil so it is "right" for them to take it from you by evil means and distribute it to all those who will come and lick their boots. This then makes them feel "good" about being evil.
"Woe to those who call evil -- good and good -- evil"!
Wates Yalker| 9.27.10 @ 8:18PM
Does Leff Jord work for the O'Donnell campaign or Tea Party Express (from Southern California) RNC or NSRC??
Why doesn't he just come out and ask the important questions, is it true Chris Coons has a homosexual lover becuase that's the rumor. When is Leff going to start distorting Coons voting record?
Christopher Holland| 9.28.10 @ 12:31AM
From the sounds of things, nobody has to tell lies about Chris Coons - the facts do a fine job of embarrassing him all by themselves; no embellishment is required. When you live in a glass house it is pretty stupid to start throwing stones.
Richard Reagan| 9.28.10 @ 2:33AM
That how O'Donnell campaigns, she throws rocks and calls them facts.; Coons is Marxist, Coons is into liberation theology. Coons is friends with Ayers. I guess O'Donnell's campaign staff thinks her constituency is dumb enough to lap this pablum up.
ron| 9.28.10 @ 6:29AM
O'Donnell throws rocks???? ....Coons is resting safely in the arms of a fawning media as they assault O'Donnell because Democrats cannot and will not run on their record.
kstars| 9.29.10 @ 10:09AM
They are, Richard, or so it seems.
Aaron| 9.27.10 @ 10:53PM
"All that is necessary for the forces of evil to prevail is for enough good men to do nothing." It's time for Conservatives to expose Coons for what he is. The Republican party needs to re-discover testicular fortitude. We need to follow Ted Kennedy's example. Because of his warped, twisted liberal worldview, he attacked ("Borked")a good man (Robert Bork) and kept him from the Supreme Court. Thanks to devils like Kennedy, Bork was not confirmed, and history has been written with poorer results. Conservatives, on the other hand, gave Elena Kagan and Sotomayor free passes to the Supreme Court. Republican senators like Lindsey Graham from South Carolina voted to confirm Kagan. Can you believe that? We need to fight fire with fire. Democrats attack Republicans and get away with it. Republicans want to be "the nice guy". Well, I'm afraid that in this case, "nice guys finish last." It's time to call a spade a spade! Let them call us "homophobic", "Islamophobic", etc. Don't back down! Don't be intimidated! Fight for your country!!!
Mimi| 9.28.10 @ 10:39AM
Great post Aaron: We need to put on our ARMOR and fight with courage and be totally unapologetic PATRIOTS. I see NO divinity in the downright EVIL way the DEMS are attempting to succeed in this election...Lies, personal attacks, ridiculous and ruthless smears on and on. Coons is another BIG SPENDER and 2 years too late...The tide has turned!!
DJ Woeller| 9.29.10 @ 8:44AM
So, did Coons take the course? Was the course even offered when Coons attended Yale? Since Yale offers courses in WWII history, is Coons a Nazi, too? Since GWB attended Yale, is he a Nazi witch? Folks, learning about something is not the same as endorsing it. Learning about something is learning. Learning is not the problem. Ignorance is the problem.
Roberta Carol| 10.10.10 @ 9:15PM
Read "The Secrets of the Tomb": books on the origins of Yale Univ.; Geo. HW Bush advocates one world order in late 70's which is on the web. Grandpa Bush hid Nazi $$in his bank. Secret Yale Society had origins in Nazi Germany. Hasn't Coons revealed himself?
chris lynch | 9.27.10 @ 6:46AM
Jeff Lord specializes in taking statements out of context and interpreting them in the worst possible light.
Instead of recognizing and respecting Coons christian values, that he would spend his time getting his masters in ethics at a Divinity school Jeff Lord twists them into something subversive and undesirable and repulsive, precisely what they are not.
Coons is a top scholar. Lord would argue that's an undesirable characteristic in a candidate for U.S. senate. He was a double major in college in political science and chemistry. He got two graduate degrees, his JD at Yale one of the nation's top law schools, and an MRA at Yale divinity. How ideologue's like Lord can be so intellectually dishonest to cast those accomplishments and qualifications as detriments and subversive is beyond me.
Jeff Lord certainly does not honor Ronald Reagan by doing so.
chris lynch| 9.27.10 @ 6:57AM
It took Christin O'Donnell 17 years to get her BA. She finished her last class last summer (2001).
She told people she was a graduate of Farleigh Dickinson in 2006 and 2008, such as Dan Gaffney, who had endorsed her. So not only did she take 17 years to get her BA, she lied to people about having it.
She hasn't time to get a law degree, although it might be handy for a person who wants to be one of 100 who right laws in the US Senate.
She hasn't served in any government office whatsoever, not city council, not county executive, not state legislature. She has no experience in government just experience running for office since 2006.
Maybe that's why Lord writes such dreck about Coons. Lord's candidate has got nothing to sell except lies, first about Castle, now about Coons.
* Accuses Castle of voting "to subject children to out-of-state abortions without consent of parents." To subject? The implication is that there is something coercive going on.
* Accuses Castle of " the bill to destroy, exploit and experiment on unborn children as scientific lab-rats." I don't support embryonic stem cell research, but this is an outrageous way of describing an issue on which reasonable people can and do differ
* Accuses Castle of "Voted to ban exploration for American energy, keeping gas prices high." The implication is that he voted to keep gas prices high.
* Accuses Castle of "Voted to allow liberal activist judges to strip “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance, against the Constitutional protection of marriage, and against educational choice for parents with children in failing schools." Prove it. Identify the votes.
* Says that she "Believes our country was founded on core values of faith, family and freedom and will fight to defend those values." Great. Another culture warrior. If she really intended to fight for freedom, she'd have to include the freedom to disagree with those alleged core values. But I doubt that is the kind of freedom she has in mind.
* Says that "Christine’s strong support of 2nd Amendment rights has earned her an “A” rating from the NRA." Great. Just what this country needs. More guns.
* Says she opposes "outsourcing our foreign policy to the U.N." Who the hell doesn't? Does she really think Mike Castle wants to do that? BTW, does she see black helicopters everywhere?
Ted| 9.27.10 @ 7:24AM
Neither John Adams nor Abraham Lincoln had law degrees (although they did practice law) and they both seemed to do just fine....
Brian| 9.28.10 @ 1:20PM
LOL are you seriously comparing laws of the early 1800's with the laws of today? Being a lawyer back then meant you could 1) read, and 2) could argue your way out of a paper bag. And since you never met either of those individuals, or Chris Coons, I suggest you leave out comparing dead people with the living.
Eric Cartman| 9.27.10 @ 9:20AM
I would rather have more guns than more lawyers. Guns are a useful commodity. You can shoot lawyers with them.
Bruce Berger| 9.27.10 @ 9:49AM
Chris,
Congress does not "right laws", it writes laws. Thank goodness you are not running for office.
Bob Mack | 9.27.10 @ 10:55AM
Kinda too bad that they don't "right laws"...I can think of a few thousand with which they could start.
Rick V.| 9.27.10 @ 12:49PM
Touche', Bob and Bruce - you beat me to it!
SpiralArchitect| 9.27.10 @ 4:24PM
..and, Rick, you beat me to it as well.
I would like to put ina good word for Cartman.
Spyder308| 9.27.10 @ 2:20PM
Is that the best you can do? Pick on the guy's typos.
O’Donnell is probably the worst candidate ever and a symptom of what you get when a bunch of frightened uninformed folks take over the primary process.
what?| 9.27.10 @ 5:08PM
"Probably the worst candidate ever????"
You have a short measuring tape.
She is running against an admitted marxist. That would qualify as worst in many persons books.
And informed we are NOT. That is the problem the dems face this year. A very informed electorate, that can now see through the liberal lies.
24shamsky| 9.29.10 @ 11:05AM
What a load of crap. Chris Coons is no more an "admitted Marxist" than you are. Here's the so-called "admission" in its entirety: "My friends now joke that something about Kenya, maybe the strange diet, or the tropical sun, changed my personality; Africa to them seems a catalytic converter that takes in clean-shaven, clear-thinking Americans and sends back bearded Marxists."
This was quite obviously intended as a joke; even a mouse with a fully-functioning human brain ought to be able to figure that out.
Ms Jones| 9.27.10 @ 5:37PM
"Take over"? Or exercise their constitutional rights? Oh, that's right, the intellectual ruling class knows better than We the People. I think the fact that Ms. O'Donnell persisted 17 years in obtaining her BA speaks well of her character. An awful lot of people pursue degrees at night school while working full time and supporting their families. Not everyone has wealthy parents who can simply write checks for tens of thousands of tuition dollars. Nor do each of us possess the correct demographic for a "free" education.
I find the suggestion that Lord has disparaged Castle's Christianity incredible. What Christianity? Does Castle claim Jesus Christ as his Savior? Is Christianity a requisite to obtain a Yale divinity degree? Anyone--including so-called degreed ministers--who claims collective salvation has distorted the gospel. Jesus said, "No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6) Further, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast." (Ephesians 2: 8-9) The idea of collective salvation promoted by Obama and YDS required reading author Cone--in order to be saved, I must give all my stuff to the poor--is warped Marxist theology, NOT Christianity. Christians do good works out of gratitude for the gift of salvation, not to EARN salvation. And charity is voluntary, NOT demanded by government through the tax code.
YDSGRAD04| 9.29.10 @ 4:10PM
Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Mark 10:21)
Have you even READ the Bible?
Yale Divinity School Grad '04
YDSGRAD04| 9.29.10 @ 4:17PM
All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had...There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need." (Acts 4:32, 34-35). Dear God! The early Christians were SOCIALISTS! They believed in REDISTRIBUTING WEALTH!
Yale Divinity School Grad '04
RAMIII| 9.30.10 @ 10:46AM
I can see that Yale Divinity School does not teach about context, nor proof-texting. You certainly have pulled verses out of scripture and out of context like a rabbit out of a hat.
Mark| 9.30.10 @ 6:30PM
Please, show us how intelligent you are. You certainly have the ability to haphazardly throw around words like "context" and "proof-texting." Instead of assuming you don't really know what those terms mean, I would appreciate you putting those verses into context. At the very least I could see what you think they mean.
Rabiddogg| 9.27.10 @ 5:43PM
The worst candidate every is the idiot in the White House. At least Ms. O;'Donnell bothered to read the Constitution and strives to see it is obeyed. Pharaoh ObamRa does the exact opposite of what the Constitution tells him he can on a daily basis. Coons ain't much better since he is Harry Reid's lapdog and a Marxist Poodle at that.
Diane| 9.29.10 @ 3:39PM
If your a Constitutional lawyer, you have read the Constitution
Misha| 9.28.10 @ 2:49AM
I think the worst candidate ever award would have to go to the Democrat running for Senate in SC. Have you forgotten him? He is such a perv he might be going to jail (again) before he can be sworn into office. Yet, 21% of SC still plan to vote for him, wonderful progressives I am sure.
TR| 9.27.10 @ 10:47AM
Our founding fathers weren't career politicians, so I don't find a problem with O'Donnel's lack of public office experience experience a problem. It may be a good thing.
I would rather see an inexperienced person like her rather than a well trained admitted "bearded marxist". This man is a slimy marxist creep that will do and say anything for power. THAT is a danger far greater than O'Donnel.
Mad Hatter| 9.27.10 @ 12:37PM
Chris, with venom concealed just barely,
Says Christine O was attacked quite Fairleigh,
So, with economy in ruins,
He'll pull the lever for Coons,
A decision which we may all pay for dearly.
Mad Hatter| 9.27.10 @ 12:47PM
Lynch, and the rest of his Mob, now decrees,
It's bad Chris got her degree by degrees,
But it's not willy-nilly,
Our reception's so chilly,
No genius needed to support spending freeze!
Anthony| 9.27.10 @ 3:11PM
Chris, Yeah poor Christine, unlike Obozo, she didn't manage to find her way into Columbia and Harvard after a few drug addled years at Oxidential College. She, like Palin, actually had to do some heavy lifting to graduate. Simply showing up was not an option for them. They didn't qualify for the Obozo bounce.
Nice to know however that you acknowledge that service on a city council counts for something. I bet you really didn't think that one out, as I suspect you have no use for Gov. Palin either.
BTW, if you support Cap & Trade, as Castle does & did, you're buying into outsourcing our foreign policy.
Anthony| 9.27.10 @ 3:26PM
P.S. Chris, Don't knock black helicopters, your precious UN has just appointed a female physicist to act as world spokesperson when extraterresterials arrive. Gee, I thought Obama got the Nobel Prize for that purpose, or was it Faraikahn? Has the UN communicated with the mother ship yet?
Now who exactly is seeing what?
WODIEJ| 9.27.10 @ 7:00PM
I thought I was hearing things when I heard on the news today about a world spokesperson for extraterrestials. For God's sake....we need to pull out of the UN and all funding.
A.M. Mallett| 9.27.10 @ 4:41PM
"She hasn't time to get a law degree, although it might be handy for a person who wants to be one of 100 who right laws in the US Senate."
Well, I may be wrong however I think she knows how to spell "write".
PTCdweller| 9.27.10 @ 6:43PM
I would adress each of your bullet points if I had the time, but others have addressed 2 of the most obvious ones already (guns and "right").
First, I would say to you that I have read through most of this article and yes, it is definitely written from a Conservative viewpoint, but the research appears to be good. The only quibble I have with it is that the author doesn't relate the coursework as being what Coons studied when he was in school. That may very well be what is offered now, but was all of that available when Coons attended YDS? In fairness, maybe YDS wasn't as far out there 15-20 years ago as it appears to be now. I would like to have seen the author cite the coursework offered during Coons' time at YDS.
Second, you can make all these meangingless arguments about the candidates' backgrounds ad nauseum and the simple fact is that Coons is a Democrat who has proven he advocates taxing and spending. The electorate is sending a clear message to Democrats this election cycle that we have and are rebuking them and their agenda. Democrats are running away from Obama and Obamacare faster than a gold medalist in the the 40 meter dash. I expect them to start invoking Reagan in their ads any day now.
mtgrant| 9.27.10 @ 8:55PM
uh, actually i read this year that Castle is on board with human cloning. Those things just don't ever get in the MSM.
Brian| 9.27.10 @ 11:11PM
Chris - wishing I lived in Delaware so I could vote for O'Donnell. Lately we've been subjected to far to many 'wrong' laws by those controlling the senate, congress, and white house.
drudge ette obama| 9.27.10 @ 7:01AM
You have no idea what Coon's Christian values are or whether he even has any? He's a professional student - we have too many of these already.
You can worship at the alter of the multiple degreed - not me.
Last I heard, Jeff Lord has no obligation to honor Reagan in his writings unless he chooses to do so.
Chris Lynch, you do not honor Karl Marx.
RAMIII| 9.27.10 @ 5:48PM
"Chris Lynch, you do not honor Karl Marx."
Very funny -- I laughed out loud. Spot on with the sarcasm!
Maddox| 9.27.10 @ 7:36AM
Christian values are not demonstrated by the degrees one receives from institutions but are by one's actions in life.
blackknights1802| 9.27.10 @ 7:41AM
“It took Christine O'Donnell 17 years to get her BA. She finished her last class last summer (2001).”
So what? It took me 15 years to get my engineering degree because I work during the day and went to engineering school at night, while raising a family. I guess the ruling class looks down on the rest of us. Is that a Yale Divinity School value?
Coons would be another rubber stamp for Obama. Let’s see what you say when his socialist system prevents you from watching your big screen TV because it uses too much electricity. When gasoline is rationed and you can’t drive your BMW anymore. You can’t get your vasectomy because it isn’t offered in the public health care option. When you are told that you can’t have the pay raise that you have been waiting for because, well, he only wants to spread the wealth around and someone else deserves it. When the government puts a monitor on your electric meter to make sure that you are not using more power then your neighbor. When the government makes your wife have an abortion because, according to the Cap & Trade bill, having a child will add too much to your carbon foot print. And finally, when your taxes go up. Yes your taxes, because they have come to a point where there is no more money to be gotten from the rich. So they need to take yours. After all you are part of the collective good. And he is only asking you to pay your fair share.
These are the values he learned in the Yale Divinity School.
DRed| 9.27.10 @ 9:17AM
Blacknights,
I think you'd raise an excellent point if Ms. O'Donnell had been working or raising a family, but of course, she was doing neither.
TR| 9.27.10 @ 10:52AM
So what's your point? That she can't take 17 years to finish her degree? Glad that you aren't the degree czar. Man, liberals are intolerant people.
DRed| 9.27.10 @ 12:56PM
What? Of course she's allowed to take 17 years to finish her degree. But am I not allowed to take that into consideration? If, like Blacknights, she took a long time because she was working, going to school and raising a family, you could say that it was an example of her strength of character. But what's Ms. O'Donnell's excuse?
TR| 9.27.10 @ 2:05PM
Why is an excuse needed to meet with your approval? Why is her personal education journey your business?
Plenty of others here have posted about the lack of formal degrees among our founders. That did not prevent them from being incredible leaders. Better a slow learner like O'Donnel than an avowed marxist taxer like Coons.
Which makes me wonder - if Coons was a Republican, can you envision the hateful comments from the left about his name - trying to tie it to racism? Just wondering...
DRed| 9.27.10 @ 2:27PM
Okay, TR. It's none of my business. So you agree that this article about Mr. Coons academic career is also none of your business, right? Why is his personal education journey any of your business?
DarkTower256| 9.27.10 @ 5:09PM
DRed -
It becomes our business when he says the values from YDS are what he intends to bring w/him and implement.
DRed| 9.27.10 @ 5:43PM
ha-you've got me there. That's a good point.
Did you read the interview with Coons that Mr. Lord links to?
TR| 9.27.10 @ 5:12PM
He is the one who makes a point about his education and how he would serve. That makes his education fair game. I may be wrong, but I have never hears her talk about her plans based on her education, rather on her ideas.
That and he has made it public that he is a "bearded marxist". His own words. I will not be boxed into liberal twisted semantics. He has made his marxism a political issue, thereofre it IS an issue.
Vote Tea Party!
Vote for America!
DRed| 9.27.10 @ 5:47PM
I've never heard Ms. O'Donnell talk about any plans at all.
My friends now joke that something about Kenya, maybe the strange diet, or the tropical sun, changed my personality; Africa to them seems a catalytic converter that takes in clean-shaven, clear-thinking Americans and sends back bearded Marxists.
Is that what you mean? that's from his college newspaper in 1985.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 1:00PM
Saying Coons publicly called himself a bearded Marxist, is like saying O'Donnell admitted to spending formative time on the altar of witches.
Both statements are taken out of context. Neither self-deprecating remark should be a talking point of either one of the right/left-wingers blinded by their own sense of certainty
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 12:55PM
Actually, as a candidate for high office, I think she signed up to seek my approval.
And in the comment section of an article attacking the school Coons attended, I think bringing up O'Donnell's educational background is waaaay above board.
Comapre and contrast: it's how non-gut thinkers make choices.
I'm not sure what the problem is here.
wodiej| 9.27.10 @ 7:03PM
Wasn't O'Donnell working on a life or death pro bono case? Uh huh. And she could not afford to pay the tuition. So because she wasn't part of a protected class to get her tuition paid for her, she's not good enough for the Senate. Get off of it. I would rather have someone like her who is more like the rest of the country than Crazy Coons. Who btw....IS NOT A CHRISTIAN if he has these beliefs-they certainly are not values.
DRed| 9.27.10 @ 8:16PM
When I went to college I borrowed money and worked. After I graduated, I worked more and paid my college debts. Apparently hard work is not one of the values that Christine champions. Even a mouse with a fully functioning human brain could see that.
Spyder308| 9.27.10 @ 2:24PM
The point is O'Donnell is a con woman and you folks show yourselves to be fools for supporting her.
Steve A| 9.27.10 @ 3:16PM
Hey Spyder, Not everyone can have the sterling resume & Abe Lincoln truth record of Barak.
Albert| 9.27.10 @ 7:58PM
Please demonstrate what makes her a "con woman." And please explain why Coons is not a con man since he pretends to be "main strean" in public while practicing a radical socialism in politics. Coons' history is fair game. Get over it. Socialists and Progressives have destroyed enough. No more.
Spyder308| 9.27.10 @ 8:30PM
What do you call someone who has never held a job, but has run for the Senate and House 5 times? She has been living off campaign contributions and speaking fees for speeches against masturbation. That is a con woman.
Albert| 9.27.10 @ 11:58PM
Insufficient response. So far you have presented accusations but no evidence, assertions but no facts, opinions but no logic. Your post is meaningless.
moron| 9.27.10 @ 9:25AM
Wrong!! Vasesectomies and abortions will be provided. Only one cataract will be eligible at reimbursements which allow the doctor to go bankrupt, knees and open heart by-pass surgeries 5 years down the line. Maybe. If you are still alive. Accepting payment out of pocket will be a felony offense for the doctor. At least in the socialist countries it is ok to pay out of pocket. YeHaw, Obamacare.
Tim*| 9.27.10 @ 7:48AM
Now Cooner Chris , tell all The AS Readers about Coons The Serial Taxer .
You're Up Sport !
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates .
Rise Up !
Len| 9.27.10 @ 9:48AM
If Coons has Christian values then he must have gotten them somewhere other than Yale.
Didn't know that murdering children in the womb and supporting homosexuality were "christian" values.
Also, one doesn't bring values to the Senate to be imparted, one works under the authority of the US constitution, which having read Coons issues he seems to be intent on violating it and imposing his own will, rather than act as an agent receiving direction from the instrument of the US constitution.
An example is education, which per the 10th is left to the states, so why is this even an issue for him? Is violating contracts a "christian" value?
Spyder308| 9.27.10 @ 2:27PM
My Christian Church founded Yale with a direct linage to Plymoth Rock and the founding fathers. Where did you get your values, Walmart?
SpiralArchitect| 9.27.10 @ 4:30PM
Walmart is a great landfill of multiculteralism - why are you slanging Wal-mart now?
Always have to say somehitng bad, that is I have yet to see you frame something in a nice, positive manor.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 1:04PM
Nice. Like this hatchet job of an article?
Also you need to decide: is mutliculturalism a boogeyman (when talking about YDS) or is it a good thing (when talking about WalMart). Consistency gives you credibility.
Albert| 9.27.10 @ 8:02PM
If you seriously believe that Yale today stands for and practices the same Christian values as that University's Founders, you are living in a dream state, or perhaps a catatonic state. Why do you worship at the altar of Socialism, anyway? Haven't the Socialists destroyed enough?
Spyder308| 9.28.10 @ 5:00PM
Yale was never intended to be a "Liberty University" where all you need is one book, the Bible. A university is a place where every idea can be discussed by educated people and truth wins out. If that truth contradicts the literal reading of the Bible or the Koran so be it. Eventually the truth will win out.
I do not worship at the alter of socialism any more than you worship at the alter of capitalism. Pure socialism and pure capitalism are unworkable. They have both been tried and failed as social systems. Pure capitalism exploits the poor and week. Read your history about the early industrial revolution. Somewhere between socialism and capitalism is a workable system.
WayneInTX| 9.29.10 @ 11:44PM
Spyder, it's "altar of socialism" and "altar of capitalism. You "alter" socialism by introducing capitalism. you "alter" capitalism by introducing socialism. You'd think they'd have taught the difference at a high dollar school like Yale.
Electric Jack | 10.20.10 @ 11:18AM
Jesus said in Gods Book We shall always have the poor...Chap and verse is not included you want that go find it yourself it will do your mind a lot of good....an when you attempt to quote Gods Book of Do it yourself remember read and quote 2 verses on both sides or you are taking things out of context that is the correct way to read and learn from Gods Book or as I prefer my DIY Book
As too taking a long time for a degree so what! Big deal! As to being a lawyer the world all ready has way too many lawyers....just take a look at what our lawyers have done to our nation and its values.........
JP| 9.27.10 @ 10:42AM
And exactly what does Yale Divinity School teach? It surely isn't Christianity. That is, unless you consider Progressive political thought theology. Both Yale and Harvard schools of divinity live off of ancient reputations. Niether are considered rigorous, not particularly difficult. I'm a Catholic, so I don't have much stake in this debate. But, IMHO Johnson Bible College turns out much better scholars than Yale, Harvard, or the Union Theological Seminary.
Mark| 9.30.10 @ 7:37PM
How are you familiar with YDS or HDS? How do you know what they teach? I assume you must have attended each. (Please give me an explanation and not a list of buzzword). Yale has produced Stanley Hauerwas, Ron Sider and Richard B. Hays. I'm also not clear why you, "as a Catholic," should have a stake in Johnson Bible College.
Barbara Gordy| 9.27.10 @ 10:49AM
Top scholars doesn't make them good "workers" for the people of the United Statese.
TR| 9.27.10 @ 10:55AM
Great point. Woodrow Wilson was a top scholar, and we are still suffering from the destruction of progressivism that he introduced today.
RCV| 9.27.10 @ 12:46PM
Woodrow Wilson was indeed one of the worst presidents in history, but Teddy Roosevelt was the father of progressivism, not Wilson.
DRed| 9.27.10 @ 12:52PM
RCV, I don't think you're watching enough Glennbeck.
TR| 9.27.10 @ 2:09PM
At least Glen Beck has thorough research, presents facts backed up by actual evidence, shows the videos and qudios of the actual words coming out of the mouths of progressives. He also displays to all when he makes the rare and occasional mistake. Unlike the torrent of twisted lies from the liberal ladership. Oh, and he is a private citizen, not paid from our taxes to spread lies as do liberal politicians.
Tea Party victory in a few weeks. YES!
DRed| 9.27.10 @ 2:32PM
Drawing lines on a chalkboard isn't evidence.
TR| 9.27.10 @ 2:39PM
An ignorant comment from a person who has obviously never watched his program. If you took the time to educate yourself, you would see a program brimming with FACTS with the VIDEOS plpayed with teh ACTUAL LIBERAL MARXISTS that speak the ACTUAL WORDS.
By your standars, I guess teachers in school are bogus, as they use chalkbaords also.
Sorry, DRed, you are simply factually wrong.
Give his show a week. You may learn something that contradicts your preconceived notions.
TR| 9.27.10 @ 2:41PM
Dam sticky keys. I gotta stop eating peanut butter sandwiches before typing.
DRed| 9.27.10 @ 3:26PM
I actually watch Glennbeck every now and then.
Ms. Jones| 9.27.10 @ 5:46PM
But playing videos of damning words coming right from their own mouths IS evidence, ie Obama's "collective salvation" and "fundamental transformation" of America, all his czars and their statements regarding the "redistribution of wealth" through Obamacare; Cass Sunstein, the regulations czar, stating that once you understand that Americans are like Homer Simpson, they are easy to manipulate, ad nauseum.
DRed| 9.27.10 @ 6:44PM
Here's Glennbeck in a nutshell-he likes compare himself to Thomas Paine. Thomas Paine was about the closest thing to a radical marxist as you could find in the 18th century. But Glenn doesn't deal in actual history.
TR| 9.27.10 @ 9:41PM
Karl Marx lived from 1818 to 1883, in the 19th century. The Communist Manifesto was published in 1848. There was no such thing as a Marxist in the 18th century. Thomas Paine lived from 1737 to 1809. He therefore could not have been a radical marxist. These facts are easily discovered by use of the internet. I am sorry I have to do your homework for you.
Beck deals in ACTUAL history, as it factually occurred and is researched by his large research staff. The rare inaccuracy is quickly corrected by him and humble apologies always follow.
Please do a little fact checking. And you are welcome to hold onto your revisionist history. I will deal in truth.
DRed| 9.28.10 @ 2:51AM
Yes, I know Marx wasn't alive in the 18th century. That's why I said Paine was about as close as one could find to a marxist-because there were no marxists.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 1:11PM
1) Beck gives us well-researched and carefully crafted fact-based arguments based onhis opinion. He doesn't outright, and make things up - I'll give him that over Limbaugh, for example. But knows the conclusion he wants to reach and then rationalizes it. He doesn't ask a question, and proceed as if any answer were possible based on the evidence. This manner of thinking is not his sole domain. Some MSNBC personalities roll this way too (before you refelxively assume I'm liberal-dupe).
Also, check your logic. You say at least Beck doesn't waste taxpayer money like liberal pols. I remind you that there are many conservative pols doing exactly what the liberals do with our tax dollars. Congress is not a 435-0/100-0 liberal majority. When making comparisons, remember: apples to apples.
mtgrant| 9.27.10 @ 9:03PM
nope - goes back further than Teddy.
inspectorudy| 9.27.10 @ 11:37AM
I read recently about a large corporation that hired four top law grads from Harvard to help solve the many nagging problems that plagued their company. After one year they were all sent to the legal department because they had NO skills of working with others and if their solutions were not implemented they were miffed. The company said that grads from state schools made for much better employees.
Eric Cartman| 9.27.10 @ 12:33PM
Hence the adage: You can always tell a Harvard man - you just can't tell him much.
They do so love hearing themselves speak. I've attended both private and state universities. My state was more relevant and demanding. The private? Talk about grade inflation. You get a "B" just because you're there.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 1:19PM
My uncle's step-daughter was dating a guy whose mom worked for that company at that time. She said it wasn't that bad. Apparently the project goals shifted and the Harvard guys were better used elsewhere. Although she admitted sometimes people can be douche-y, and the one guy sort of was.
Of course, she went on to say that posting unverifiable stories that allegedly prove one's point is douche-y, too. And you don't have to have an Ivy-league degree to do that. (I'm assuming you don't an Ivy degree, else you might know this about verification and/or ooze less jealous animosity.)
NJK| 9.27.10 @ 12:18PM
Quite frankly, I don't care about his various degrees. What kind of character does he have? I am going to DE in the next couple of weeks, and intend to give this to someone I'm meeting with, along with some other articles. He is a small businessman. I also plan to take several envelopes with information and drop them off at various places of business, so customers pick them up.
Character his what matters, not where someone went to school or how many degrees they have. Obama is proof of that. He's an arrogant, mentally disturbed empty suit. Anyone who associates with him, should be dismissed instantly as a good candidate. These so called Ivy League schools make my skin crawl, the same way anyone coming out of them does.
loulou| 9.27.10 @ 12:26PM
The question is: why would chris lynch want to be a shill for Coons? Is he on Coon's payroll?
The lefties are the very ones who disparaged Reagan's alma mater, Eureka College. The elites are really clueless. We're supposed to vote for this nonentity Coons because he got two degrees from Yale?? Please. As far as I'm concerned, that's a disqualification.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 1:28PM
Too bad you didn't think this way in 2000/2004. Irrational double standard? Maybe, maybe not.
dick smith| 9.27.10 @ 5:47PM
Coons may be a "top scholar" but still have misquided values. The article is not about scholastic ability but values. Lord does recognize and respect those values by stating them. If he misstated those values show to us the true ones.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 1:26PM
The author didn't show us anything. All he did was say:
Witches!
Queer!
Liberation theology!
Did Coons take any of these classes? What % of the curriculum is made up of the courses he looked at? What % of studetns take those classes? Has the author read any of Ogletree of Farley's work, or did he rely on labeling to form his opinion?
And he never fully explains how in a democracy, we are supposed to believe that there is only one "correct" set of values.
And he never fully explains how there is only one "correct" form of Christianity.
So, you're. He mis-stated very little. But it's hard to say much that's wrong, when you say so little.
Fredrick Ward| 9.27.10 @ 6:15PM
Takes what out of context? Jeff merely analyzed the educational tools of the school. Those books, and teachers are Marxist, socialistic, and completely against Capitalism. That alone tells me that I don't want this person in Congress. The very fact that he supports the same rhetoric as this current administration is a huge sign to not vote for him.
Against Liberal belief the Christian faith does not teach Marxism. Therefore, these so called Christian values you say we should recognize and respect are not of Christ at all. They are perversions of the values taught in the Bible. The Bible does not teach to take from those who are successful and give it to those who aren't successful; even worse those who do not plan on being anything but a weight on society.
If we keep voting for such people there will be no middle class in this country anymore. It will be only the Lords and Serfs.
Steve | 9.27.10 @ 9:02PM
There is nothing remotely "christian" about anything in Mr. Coons worldview and the values he espouses.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 1:31PM
I'm glad that's your opinion. Care to make a convincing argument?
(Note: "I'm christian and he thinks different than me" is not a convincing argument.)
Aaron| 9.27.10 @ 10:05PM
That's all we need is more multiculturalism. Our poor country is in full multicultural grovel mode. Soon it will be against the law to fly the American flag because it offends other cultures. I was living in Mexico during the Zapatista Indian uprising in 1994. Bishop Samuel Ruiz, the Catholic bishop of San Cristobal de Las Casas, Chiapas was very instrumental in this uprising. You can find all kinds of info on the Internet to support that. He is a Liberation Theologian. Take from the rich, give to the poor. Class envy. Re-distribution of wealth. You know, the stuff that the Democratic party embraces. Also, you can find a lot of info concerning the wars in El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, etc. where thousands died because of Liberation Theology. Don't blow this off. These are facts. The real radical Liberation Theologians preach that it's O.K. with God if we kill rich people and re-distribute their wealth. I'm not making this up. Look it up. I found that stuff on the Internet and saw it happen in Mexico. I will end my comments with a quote from Churchill: "If you're 20 years old and a conservative it shows that you have no heart. If you're 40 years old and a liberal it shows that you have no brain." Coons needs to go to the Wizard of Oz to see if he can get a brain.
Negro X| 9.27.10 @ 10:38PM
Robo post from a troll moron.
Negro X| 9.27.10 @ 10:39PM
Troll
Aaron| 9.27.10 @ 11:29PM
Go ahead, Negro. Call me a "troll moron". That's what you liberals are good at. You should read the book, "Stupid Black Men" (How to play the race card and lose), by Larry Elder. Larry Elder, who of course happens to be black, has been called "Uncle Tom", etc. by stupid black men who have bought the bullshit that the Democratic party is on your side. Don't you know that many of the politicians and cops (Bull Connor, George Wallace, etc.) who were racists back in the day were Democrats? Don't be stupid. Pres. Obama will not help you.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 1:40PM
Those Southern Dems were of that party before the Republican's Southern Strategy. Learn your history before you start lecturing - and focus on the Truth, not just the facts that create a convenient narrative.
Foolishly playing the race card is an equally opportunity manuever
Aaron| 9.27.10 @ 11:38PM
Dear Negro,
I will give you this. I'm impressed that you're reading the American Spectator. Most of you Liberals will only watch Liberal news (You know, like CNN - Communist News Network). You wouldn't be caught dead watching Fox News, or listening to Limbaugh, or reading American Spectator. Maybe there's hope for you after all. Read some Larry Elder or some Thomas Sowell. These men have some of the greatest minds in all of America, and yes, they are "negros'.
Christopher Holland| 9.28.10 @ 12:41AM
Chris Coons is a top scholar! My arse! Nobody can be a Marxist and accept a degree in ethics from a divinity school at the same time. Marxism and Christianity are mutually exclusive, there is no way of combining these two philosophies at all. Coons is a gutless fraud and a self rigtheous liar.
I was a Marxist in my misguided youth (it was the 1970s and lots of stupid things happened in those days). Now I am a Christian - a change I never regreted for a second. Chris Coons is not a scholar at all, let alone a top scholar - he doesn't know Jack.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 1:42PM
Or maybe...he's not actually a Marxist. Just a thought.
A Light| 9.29.10 @ 3:00PM
Acts 2:42-45 (New International Version)
They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.
I don't know -- sounds pretty compatible with Marxism to me!
WayneInTX| 9.29.10 @ 11:57PM
Sorry, but the difference is in the intent. Charity is when you VOLUNTARILY give your stuff away because you see others in need. Marxism is when the government TAKES your stuff away to give to someone else (to make a supposedly level playing field). Big difference.
ron| 9.28.10 @ 6:34AM
Coons Christian values??? What Church does he attend and what are their positions on pre-marital sex and masturbation? Will we be treated to endless media skits about him? What accomplishments of his Democrat colleagues in DC is he most proud of and which will he promise to work for...cap and trade , maybe?
Osamas Pajamas| 9.28.10 @ 3:42PM
Coons reminds me of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin, who got his start in a seminary and then graduated to "a government job" wherein he brought his values to the general public, and slaughtered them by the millions. Coons is a Marxist --- so crowing about his Yale Divinity School "values" makes him look like a dope --- and his school look like a leftist-captured propaganda organ. I'm an atheist and if I lived in Delaware I'd vote for O'Donnell.
DRed| 9.28.10 @ 6:45PM
haha. I was actually shocked that Mr. Lord didn't mention Stalin.
chris lynch| 9.27.10 @ 7:00AM
correction: last summer 2010
drudge ette obama| 9.27.10 @ 7:04AM
You assume there is a reason to correct your errors when in fact no one will notice because your polemic amounts to a rave.
Jack Bauer| 9.27.10 @ 7:57AM
Lynch mob is Professor Errortus at Coons College.
chris lynch | 9.27.10 @ 7:51AM
correction: I carry Coons' jockstrap .
It's very , very tiny .
loulou| 9.27.10 @ 12:28PM
Too funny!
jmulcahy| 9.27.10 @ 7:08AM
You know who else had Yale Divinity School values?
Al Gore, the Gore-acle of Global Climate Disruption.
moron| 9.27.10 @ 7:34AM
Gore received his only A at YDS, in the QUEER course, then went on to flunk out.
Mad Hatter| 9.27.10 @ 1:09PM
Gore, prior to establishing his menage,
Signed up for YDS's leftist barrage,
Said he, "Why, it's Queer,
Graduation's so near,
Yet my Second Chakra still lacks a massage!"
Mad Hatter| 9.27.10 @ 1:58PM
Earth Father Gore said, "To be rich as hell,
For the Green, I'll need to know which craft well?
Reasonable to say, uh,
Before bonding with Gaia,
I should go to YDS for a Spell!"
WayneInTX| 9.30.10 @ 12:00AM
Hatter, you are just too funny!
Petronius| 9.27.10 @ 7:40AM
Yale sounds like an institution where they keep the miscreants Jerry Springer fans won't watch.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 1:44PM
Where was all the Yale bashing when a Yale man was POTUS?
Hypocrisy, thy name is American politics!
JP| 10.4.10 @ 11:38PM
Excellent point: both Bush presidents, and two of the current conservative Supreme Court justices are Yale grads, in addition to many others... And most of the comments on this board make it clear that, like the author of the article, they know nothing about YDS (I saw this as a current YDS student).
Tim*| 9.27.10 @ 7:42AM
COONS IS A SERIAL TAXER .
Jeffrey Lord : "......after promising in his 2004 election campaign that he wouldn't raise taxes Coons raised property taxes by 5% in 2006, then again by 17.5% in 2007, and again by 25% in 2009. Coons has proposed to raise hotel taxes, paramedic taxes, and, in a hilariously stereotypical move reported by the Washington Examiner's Byron York -- even taxes on 911 calls! "
Delawareans Want Jobs Not Taxes .
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates .
Rise Up !
C| 9.27.10 @ 5:10PM
START HANDING OUT THIS ARTICLE TO EVERY PERSON YOU COME IN CONTACT WITH.
Richard Reagan| 10.4.10 @ 10:12AM
New Castle County is funded n large part by the real estate transfer tax. When the recession hit in December 2007 home sales plummeted and so did operating income for the county. Coons spent $60 million in reserves and cut over $100 million in expenditures in six years. He increased real estate tax but it remains the lowest in the region. The avg New Castle County home pays $502 per year in real estate tax.
mtgrant| 9.27.10 @ 9:05PM
i can't imagine any taxpayer in NCC voting for Coons after what he's done to them.
Richard Reagan| 10.4.10 @ 10:14AM
He was elected in 2004 and re-elected in 2008. He beat an opponent in the Democratic primary and ran unopposed in the general election.
mtgrant| 9.27.10 @ 9:05PM
i can't imagine any taxpayer in NCC voting for Coons after what he's done to them.
D| 9.27.10 @ 7:46AM
How dare Christine O'Donnell campaign against Mike Castle! How DARE she? Especially after he refused to appear in a debate forum with her so that THE VOTERS could see them in public to compare and contrast.
And just for the record, Chris Lynch, regarding the UN and foreign policy, you must have been asleep when the 2004 Democrat presidential nominee said there should be "a global test" before the U.S. took any military action.
I don't care how many degrees Chris Coons has, or what they are in. I know that he referred to himself, even if jokingly, as a "Marxist" and I know that as country executive he has raised taxes every time he could, and would have done it more. I know people that know him, know people who have worked for him, and I know that he is on the far left. We don't need it.
Win McNulty | 9.27.10 @ 8:04AM
I'm all for preventative war, which means starting war in their country for reasons that might benefit us economically or geo-politically and I'm especially for them when those advocating the war have a grand design concerning the balance of power in the region because government is really good at predicting outcomes of such military adventures and our kids need jobs too so why not the military? I'm quite sure it'll all be paid for oil revenues or something but certainly not Us taxpayers to the tune of $3trillion
John DuBose| 9.27.10 @ 8:02AM
This is all a distraction. Obviously both these candidates have personal "issues"
The real question is whether the next senator from Delaware will vote with or against the Dem. agenda. I think the voters there will figure it out.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 1:49PM
Substitute 'American people', 'what is right', 'measures that will make our nation stronger' for 'the Dem. agenda' and I'm right there with you.
I'm more intersted in that stuff than vapid party politics.
Bill| 9.27.10 @ 8:22AM
The light of truth always enlightens and opens the blind to see. Facts will always be a pesky item for those in denial. I for one will always follow truth and vote for those who demonstrate common sense and have worked and sweated not only to raise their standard of living but to also be involved in instilling the values of God, country and honor in their children.
Doctor Right| 9.27.10 @ 8:26AM
The Left has believed, for quite some time, that if they slap the word "Christian" onto any freakish attitude, idea, or behavior that we lumpenprole masses will swallow it whole as something "Jesus would do".
While most Conservative church-goers are wise enough to sniff-out this kind of garbage immediately, far too many of our squishy fellow-congregants fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
Thus, the support for Obama amongst at least 30% of the members of the church I attend, which is by no means a bastion of left-wing theology.
If another one of my fellow Christians tells me that Christianity IS socialist by nature, I'm going to have a REAL hard time turning the other cheek.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 1:56PM
Is it possible that instead of being mindless drones, other people might possibly disagree with you for legitimate reasons? Is that so incredibly difficult to imagine?
Aren't there mindless conservative christians, too? (I know I've met mindless folks on both ends.)
And while I acknowledge you were making a joke, how does threatening physical violence get a pass on heterodox thoughts that are acceptable for "real" Christians to believe. While something that isn't even against orthodoxy (a belief that Christianity is a communal religion - read any of Paul's letters) gets lambasted as anti-Christian?
I'm not challenging you claim to being a Christian. But I am trying to challenge your notion of what a 'real' Christian is. I submit there are more 'real' Christians than all the folks who think like you do.
Jack Bauer| 9.27.10 @ 8:44AM
Others have already commented that Coons was a professional student. Just like the Obamas. About 14 years between that winsome couple.
I wonder who paid for all Coons' years in college? Can't have been cheap.
Maybe his family is one of those which Coons' wet-dreams about expropriating?
Now let's look at Yale Divinity School.
Somebody should ask Coons about his stance on "reparations for slavery."
After all, the whole scam started at Yale when an extreme leftist Yale law professor, Boris Bittker, wrote "The Case for Black Reparations," in 1973.
And reparations of all kinds is a hot button at Yale. Randall Balmer, an Episcopal priest, is professor of American religious history at Barnard College, a visiting professor at Yale Divinity School.
He shrieks (I mean claims) "The United States would be morally obligated... to pay reparations to the people of Iraq."
Talking Yale Divinity School Values. The following is not a funny from Scappleface or the Onion, but an ACTUAL communication from 2009, following a harmless watermelon eating contest at YDS.
For sanctimonious hilarity it is hard to beat.
A Note of Community Concern
Dear Divinity School Community,
On the evening of Friday, September 11th, following the Community Dinner, there was a food-eating contest in the Common Room.
The contest was between teams of students eating watermelons. The contest was a painful reminder of past images and painful stereotypes involving watermelons and African Americans that continue to be used today, and it should not have happened. To the extent that it happened at all is a shared responsibility which we all deeply regret and for which we all deeply apologize. The incident was not the fault of any one person or group of persons, and it certainly was not the fault of any two people. It went forward in ignorance of what it represented and how it would be perceived by others.
While we may acknowledge that ignorance is no excuse for offense, it must also be acknowledged that neither the ignorance nor the offense was intentional.
Student leaders, in consultation with faculty and administration, will think together about ways that we as a community can address this painful occurrence in a constructive and conciliatory manner.
Yours truly,
Emilie Townes
Academic Dean
Dale Peterson
Dean of Students
Eric Cartman| 9.27.10 @ 10:04AM
Mr. Buaer, the watermelon eating contest WAS insensitive and exclusionary. It had racial overtones and was voted on by the barest majority (51%) as the student activity that day. The other side (my association) was forced to participate or watch this shameful exercise in gluttony while a perfectly good, decent and acceptable activity was ignored. I hope, sir, that in the future you check the facts of the case before commenting on a subject. Good day!
Eric Cartman
President,
Yale Fried Chicken Eating Association.
Captain, Team Drumstick.
Jack Bauer| 9.27.10 @ 10:57AM
In my other capacity as Wing Commander of the Fried Unseasoned-Chicken Klatch of America I thank you for your efforts to introduce wholesome, unsullied fried chicken to Yale.
Eric Cartman| 9.27.10 @ 12:16PM
You are welcome, sir. It is a honor to be in such esteemed company as you and your outstanding outfit. Let us join together to fight for our ability to eat tasty fried chicken wherever and when ever we choose. Yale is only the beginning!
Eric Cartman
President,
Yale Fried Chicken Eating Association.
Captain, Team Drumstick.
PS: Dear dw,
Hot dogs would indeed be insensitive and outrageously demeaning to the Gay Community. They are small, often made with substandard meats and the taste is chemically and artificial. Please refrain from using these poorly made products in any Gay Hot Dog Eating Contests Yale may sponsor. Please be sensitive to the Gay community's image.
Eric Cartman
President, Yale Kielbasa Handlers Union
Captain,
Team "Kielbasa Jerks".
dw| 9.27.10 @ 11:39AM
I suppose a hot dog eating contest would be an insensitve act towards homosexuals?
bob alou| 9.27.10 @ 4:11PM
What a stupid thing to say. Why is eating watermelon automatically a racist activity or having a contest involving any other food liable to labeled such for that matter? Did the proponents require that it only involve black students or were they specifically excluded? Did the participants appear in black face? Would the same standards have been applied to other foods, such as collards, or sweet potatoes or (God-forbid) fried chicken. When you start down the road of political correctness you can never reach a destination because the journey is less about getting somewhere than feeling good about yourself over correcting some imagined slight or wrong doing. To paraphrase Richard Nixon, In your heart, you know you're intellectually bankrupt jack-asses.
Melvin| 9.27.10 @ 8:51AM
Dear Chris Lynch,
George Washington never went to college. He attended school only until he was about 14 or 15. Ben Franklin only attended, Boston Latin School.
So where is this prerequisite that anyone running for political office has to have a degree in law?
Haven't lawyers did enough damage to this Country?
One of the main reasons that this Country is in the dire straights that it is in because all these, "Really, really smart people," who don't have a tinker''s damn worth of common sense.
Look at the current situation, we have an Administration with what Obama thinks as the creme de la creme of college academia, as czars, and councils and the economy is on a highway to hell at full throttle.
Small business owners who make up 80% of this Nation's economy make a mistake, they pay for it in a real world by either losing their business or going bankrupt. Real world decisions met real world consequences.
A lawyer who has spent his or her whole time in college academia don't live by the same rules. They get do-overs. "Ooops, I made a mistake, no problem we'll just do it again till we get it right."
This is why Obama and his czars and counselors are failing at everything they touch, because here in the real world we don't get do-overs. Our men and women on the battlefield don't get do-overs, losing trillions upon trillions of tax payer dollars with financial schemes don't get do-overs, the financial institutions that made risky investments do but the tax payers don't.
So please don't patronize the rest of us, by stating that those with college law degrees seem to know better than the rest of us. In all honesty, they don't know a damn thing about how to survive like the rest of us.
Nate| 9.27.10 @ 7:00PM
Charlie Manson didn't attend college. Neither did Adolph Hitler.
I guess that means if you don't attend college your a homicidal sociopath or a deranged fascist dictator.
Brilliant analysis! Thanks!
The One We've Been Waiting For| 9.27.10 @ 8:10PM
We're buying shrimp, Nate. Since we came along we have given college a bad name. People think that it is a place you go and screw around at and then spend the rest of your life bragging about. My entire economic team went to the best of schools and don't seem to know anything. I mean really some nut that is overextended on a credit card has our administration totally figured out. Don't ask, don't tell forever, baby.
Louis Jenkins| 9.27.10 @ 8:54AM
So many facts about Coons dizzies the head. But now we know that Coons is definately worse than McDonnell. In fact Coons is an educated idiot particularly in his post graduate studies. Thank goodness I cannot vote in the Delware congression race, I'd break the handle voting for McDonnel. Better a neophyte than one steeped in education that he'd bring to the District of Crimminals. In fact, he would blend in perfectly.
davelnaf| 9.27.10 @ 9:02AM
After spending years isolated from larger society while taking ‘higher’ degrees in intellectually worthless subjects some progressives go on a self-righteous tear to spread their ‘values’ throughout society. This is the deal that the people of Delaware have gotten from Coons. Now, because he wants to do some real damage by becoming a US senator, the rest of the country will get some of the same. Whatever else progressives are they are no one’s friend. I hope that more people in Delaware become aware of this fact.
Phill| 9.27.10 @ 9:15AM
There is only one class at Yale Divinity School. Situational ethics.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 2:01PM
Since (I assume) you love false dichotomies so much...
I'd rather study situational ethics than Dogmatics. At least then I get to think.
Tim*| 9.27.10 @ 9:46AM
The Ruling Elitist Fight Song .
The Fightin' Elite !
Boola, Boola, Boola, Boola,
Boola, Boola, Boola, Boola,
When we "rough-house" poor old Harvard,
They will holler Boola Boo. (Rah! Rah! Rah!)
Yale, Eli Yale!
Oh! Yale, Eli Yale!
Oh! Yale, Eli Yale!
Oh! Yale, Eli Yale!
Monty Burns| 9.27.10 @ 9:50AM
Excellent.
Mad Hatter| 9.27.10 @ 1:20PM
An old Yalie, chanting "Boola, Boola",
Said, "Sounds silly? Think I'm a fool, ah?
I shall surely rely,
On degrees from Eli,
To make me a big bundle of moolah!"
Coonsie The Yalie Loafer| 9.27.10 @ 2:36PM
Boola Boola
I Wanna Rule Ya
I Went To Schoola
So I Can Bull Ya.
Me Elite !
Kiss Me Feet !
I'm Yalie Meat !
I Milk The Taxpayer Teat !
Gooooooo Taxers !
Steve A| 9.27.10 @ 10:15AM
Is it just me or if you took Coons & painted his face green, do you not have a dead ringer for "The Creature From The Black Lagoon?" He could save a ton on Holloween costume.
Ryan| 9.27.10 @ 10:16AM
With apologies to Lewis Grizzard (I think).
Once an old Southern guy was asked by an elite Harvard student about the upcoming Yale-Harvard football game:
"Do you favor Yale or fair Harvard?"
Said the old guy," You're all a bunch of damn yankees and I hope you both lose."
chester arthur| 9.27.10 @ 10:44AM
I guess ivy league divinity training teaches you not to ask what Jesus would do,but what Marx would do to people asking what Jesus would do.Your average high school dropout would have a better sense of right and wrong,and how to keep costs,regulation, and taxation under control than a professional ivy league leech who has spent so many years on the public payroll.
Possum Dearie| 9.28.10 @ 8:57PM
Well, Christine O'Donnell said she would turn Anne Frank over to the Nazis unless God intervened, and she was on MTV and had a satanic picnic.
dsayne| 9.27.10 @ 10:58AM
"Heavens! He's a Yale man!"
- Thurston Howell III
Kishego| 9.27.10 @ 1:39PM
LOL !!!
George True| 9.27.10 @ 11:31AM
I hope the O'Donnell campaign is smart enough to take these latest remarks by Coons and put them to good use. The ads would practically write themselves. Imagine O'Donnell in front of a shut-down factory, looking straight into the camera, saying the following:
"Chris Coons says you should vote for him and not me because he graduated from Yale divinity school, while it took me a long time to earn my college degree. He also says he will bring his divinity school values, whatever those are, to his job as senator if you elect him."
"This election is NOT about which of us has the higher status education. After all, the world is full of educated idiots. No, this is about where we stand on the great issues of the day. If you want someone who will vote in lockstep with the Obama/Pelosi/Reid agenda, then by all means Chris Coons is your man. But if you want someone who will lower your taxes, not raise them; someone who will empower the free market to create jobs instead of plundering the free market; someone who understands that we are supposed to be guided by the Constitution and the Bill or Rights, not by some other set of so-called values, then I ask you to support me in getting government's foot off our necks."
"I'm Christine O'Donnell and I approve of this message because, well it's me that's actually saying it to you."
Possum Dearie| 9.28.10 @ 8:54PM
But she didn't just "take a long time." O'Donnell lied about having her degree. She lied in a lawsuit filed against a conservative group and said that she went to Princeton. She lied and said she went to Oxford, when she really took a workshop from the Phoenix Institute, which rented space there.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 2:05PM
I wonder how the anti-intellectuals will explain away her lying, especially since she wanted so badly to appear to have the "elite" education.
/waiting with giddy anticipation
Chase Farnsworth XVII| 9.27.10 @ 11:35AM
Everyone of good breeding and tastes (and money) understands that Harvard and Yale are the elite schools reserved primairily for the elites of New England (which is the center of the Universes). Yes, these 2 schools allow the occaisonal plebes to enter the school. But that is because the lower classes do add local color, if you know what I mean. Everyone and anyone of any importance, whether they are in politics, law, science, business, or economics graduated from Harvard or Yale. We will always rule over the peasants. Even if heaven forfend, Palins becomes President, there will be plenty of people like myself who will "steer" her in the right direction.
I am writing this post from Vienna and must soon board my private jet to Gstaad. Au revior
Chase Farnsworth XVII
Harvard Class of 1980
Yale School of Business Class of 1984
Harvard Law Class of 1988
Mad Hatter| 9.27.10 @ 12:08PM
There once was a young lawyer named Farnsworth,
Who said, "I don't know what my yarn's worth -
I will cut to the Chase,
Harvard's humanity's base,
So the plebes' views don't have a darn's worth!"
Mad Hatter| 9.27.10 @ 12:23PM
Says Farnsworth, in a tone likely jivey,
If the Political Class seems connivy,
If laws seem rehash,
It wouldn't be Rash,
To say we suffer from Poisoned Ivy!
Oldefarte| 9.27.10 @ 11:37AM
No disrespect to Jeffrey's outstanding and informative article intended, but these so-called values are taught by [to some degree or another] each and every college and university in the United States; and that folks, is who/what were/are being indoctrinated/brainwashed in the minds of yourselves, your children, your grandchildren and your future grandchildren. That, folks, is what you pay for in tuition, etc costs when you send them off to BECOME EDUCATED [and it's now the mantra/bible/philosophy/values of the majority of elec ted officials that are now RUNNING YOUR GOVERNMENT AND YOUR COUNTRY!!!!
mtgrant| 9.27.10 @ 9:13PM
yeah, kids in govt schools learn about Gaia and taught how to worship her/it/whatever. I believe it's a course @ Yale, but you have to pay for it there. You can learn about if for free in govt schools. And they said religion should stay out of schools - ha!
dw| 9.27.10 @ 11:42AM
My father recieved a masters degree from Yale and then went on to kill Germans. What happen to Yale?
Mad Hatter| 9.27.10 @ 1:47PM
Today's Yale grads, DW pouts,
Couldn't, like the Master, his Dad, pickle Krauts,
Those numskulls, he's mulling,
If not doing sculling,
Will suffer warring and political routs.
George S| 9.27.10 @ 11:46AM
Yale Divinity School... Business School... Law School.
What's the difference? Even psychiatric wards have room numbers and pavilion names.
Jack Bauer| 9.27.10 @ 12:14PM
Yale... ...Marxist School... Black Studies School... Wimmin's School... Wiccans' School...
Mad Hatter| 9.27.10 @ 11:53AM
Delaware's Coons, a Marxist that's bearded,
Absorbed Yale's Divinity, the dear did,
Loves Theology of Liberation,
And every other aberration,
And yet the voters still don't get weirded!
mtgrant| 9.27.10 @ 9:15PM
MadHat you're killing me -
what a wit you be!
albert constantine jr.| 9.27.10 @ 12:02PM
I was at the University of Delaware in November of 1980, and it was a very lonely place for a Reagan voter such as me (outside of a half dozen guys I knew who were in the ROTC program). Imagine my surprise when I discovered I was more in sync with the American electorate than my political science professors were. I have since come to believe that the electorate is generally still wiser than the elites of academia.
That being said, while it is very useful to explore Coons' associations and background, it also behooves concerned conservatives to look at his record as a legislator in a Democratically controlled legislature. Prior to his current stint for the last six years as county executive, Mr. Coons was County Council President during the Gordon administration. His failure to restrain corruption along with short sighted fiscal management contributed to most of the problems that he has now claimed to have "solved" as County Executive by tax increases and layoffs. The per capita homicide rate in Wilmington (the largest urban incorporated area in his jurisdiction) during 2008 was somewhere between Detroit and Baltimore. There is much more poor performance to expose on the part of Mr. Coons and Delaware's Democratic leadership. In a better world, the state Republican Party would have done this. Unfortunately, they were too busy trumpeting Christine O'Donnell's real and imagined shortcomings, rather than shining the spotlight on the failure of Mr. Coons and his fellow Democrats to protect the quality of life for all Delawareans.
drgene| 9.27.10 @ 12:54PM
A word about the current state of "academic"Religious Studies at US universities--esp
graduate programs in Religious Studies in USA(not
echoed in Europe!):
The Politicization of all Theology and all
studies of Religion has been rampant, esp in
"Ethics", for more than 20 years. Religion exists
only as a means of supporting liberal or utopian
socio-political and economic agendas.
Christianity has been hijacked! It is nor longer
a community dedicated to the truly unique
religious search in life(which Jesus & world
religions defines as a primarily personal and
spiritual journey--which transforms everything,even social life)but merely one
of many social institutions in support of
fantasies about equality, the relativist nature
of truth, socio-political crusades as the true
norm for ethics & morality.
In sum, Feuerbach is smiling somewhere:
Man has displaced "God" as the centre of
all things--even religion. God exists "for us";
we do "His Will" whenever we worship ourself!
Mr Coons MA in Ethics from Yale is NOT a truly ACADEMIC degree. Only a PhD is that. Whenever an expert says (s)he is a Theologian
laugh if their highest degree is an MA, or DMin--
as most Liberals have!
Michael| 9.27.10 @ 12:59PM
Your "facts" are so off here. I've never seen so much spin and ignorance.
Jack Bauer| 9.27.10 @ 2:05PM
"I've never seen so much spin and ignorance."
Try watching Robert (Fibbs) Gibbs talk for 60 seconds.
Tyler| 9.27.10 @ 3:59PM
And yet you don't bother arguing anything. What a shocker. Try debating not obfuscating- then maybe people will take you seriously.
Michael| 9.28.10 @ 1:54PM
Let's start with the witchcraft class. It's a history class, which you will find if you do research, not a theology or spiritual practice class. It's a history class that talks about Christians and witchcraft and their interplay in history. This article suggests that it's something that Yale Divinity makes students believe and practice. A simple falsehood.
Second, among many, is the use of the word "mandatory" in this article. It's used as a scare tactic, as if students are forced to read something and believe it and then proceed to their Satan worship or something.
Here's how classes are set up. The instructor assigns a reading, the students read it, then they all discuss it in class and the professor sometimes lectures on it, disagreeing, agreeing etc. It's "mandatory" in that the students sign up for the class and choose to do the work. Yes, students are required to read things to participate in classes and then get their degree.
That's a firm start.
Fredrick Ward| 9.28.10 @ 3:17PM
The author did not say they believe or practice it. He showed that it was a reclassification of it that made it alright for Coons, and other YDS graduates, to have affiliation with such a class, and not need to worry about such accusations as those that O'Donnel has faced; all under the name of Multiculturalism.
Your second point is a step towards the ludicrous. That is like saying that since many of us read Dante's Inferno that we all believe that hell is exactly like it is described in the book. Better yet that since we all have seen and read Alice in Wonderland that we all believe Wonderland actually exists. However, these things we take into ourselves, either by viewing or reading, do influence our social views. How it affected Coons is very apparent. He is an admitted Marxist. Therefore, your point is already defeated by the man himself.
Michael| 9.28.10 @ 7:41PM
Having affiliation with a class is not something we need to worry about. Thank God for the study of history.
Re: the second point. That's not what I'm saying. That's what Mr. Lord is offering by throwing "mandatory" around. Thank God we have the right to disagree with the things we read in school.
24shamsky| 9.29.10 @ 11:20AM
No, Coons is not an admitted Marxist. By your own logic, though, it seems that you must be a disciple of Adolf Hitler, because you certainly seem to have his "Big Lie" technique down pat.
Fredrick Ward| 9.29.10 @ 1:30PM
“ My friends now joke that something about Kenya, maybe the strange diet, or the tropical sun, changed my personality; Africa to them seems a catalytic converter that takes in clean-shaven, clear-thinking Americans and sends back bearded Marxists,” Coons wrote.
Fredrick Ward| 9.29.10 @ 1:54PM
As an addition to my response, I would also point out that to say that current Liberal ideology in the United States is not taking some of it's steps from the ideology of Marxism in nature is a pure falsehood and an attempt at misdirection.
Marxists do not believe in changing the structure of the system from within the system. Instead, they advocate a comprehensive – sudden if, need be – overthrowing of the system along with the entire power structure that props it up.
This is much like what is happening now. For example the way that Democrats and "moderate" Republicans are completely ignoring the Constitution and Bill of Rights. By ignoring such documents that are, in essence, the founding, and written establishment, of our country they are working from outside the framework of our system to destroy that very system put in place by our founding fathers.
Stephen| 9.27.10 @ 1:37PM
Thank you Mr. Lord in shining the light in another room of the Progressive/Marxist roach motel.
Mad Hatter| 9.27.10 @ 2:30PM
A Divinity School in Yale's housing,
Teaches a book that gives women of N.O.W. zing,
Its argument's effectual,
All theology is sexual,
Proof: My temper sure finds it arousing!
Possum Dearie| 9.28.10 @ 8:48PM
And co-ed bathrooms are "menage-a-trois" rooms! Bad dum bum bum.
Mad Hatter| 9.27.10 @ 3:29PM
Yale’s Divine pointy heads, they just gotta,
Claim Jesus would love Karl, yada yada,
But Sider’s leftism fails,
As Sis Margaret does nails,
Faithful insist any Marx are stigmata.
Jim O'Brien| 9.27.10 @ 3:52PM
I'll bet he thinks we should respect Islam. Just a hunch.
The Constitution| 9.30.10 @ 2:54AM
"AMENDMENT 1: FREEDOM OF RELIGION, PRESS, EXPRESSION. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Groucho| 9.27.10 @ 4:15PM
Since when did the word "liberate" become specifically Marxist?
I guess when white nationalist fascists gained the upper hand of the Republican party ....
albert constantine jr.| 9.27.10 @ 5:20PM
Whenever I see someone use the term "fascist" to describe anyone who was not a part of the Italian Government under Il Duce, I recall Episode 73 of the Rockford Files, written by David Chase of Sopranos fame. As the guest star Valerie Curtin mouthed one cliche of the left after another, and labeled Rockford a fascist, they had the following dialogue:
Rockford (James Garner): What can you do, lady?
Sky Aquarian (Valerie Curtin): My consciousness doesn’t lend itself to problem solving likes yours does, okay. I’m into an alternative lifestyle. I’m a seeker of truth. What’s so wrong with that?
Rockford: Your alternative lifestyle comes out of someone else’s pocket. You mooch, you borrow, you hardly work. Anyone who doesn’t go along with it is a fascist…
Sky Aquarian: I’m not into structured living or accumulated things. I’m into my consciousness.
Rockford: You’re practically unconscious 24 hours a day. What you’re into is having someone else do your thinking for you.
The members of the left who originated the movement labeled itself "liberation" theology, and chose Marxism. Whenever this is identified and discussed, the label "fascist" is broken out in as meaningful a fashion as it was used by mind-numbed leftist robot in this classic TV episode.
dw| 9.27.10 @ 6:59PM
Best show ever and that scene says it all.
They are nothing but mush brains educating more mush brains.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 2:12PM
Yeah. It's breaking news that leftie idiots use words incorrectly (facist) in an attempt to malign righties. Just like its breaking news that rightie idiots use words incorrectly (Marxist) in an attempt to malign lefties.
Matt| 9.27.10 @ 4:23PM
http://www.yale.edu/divinity/adm/MAR.shtml#conc
Nate| 9.27.10 @ 4:58PM
You're all so contemptuous of education.
It must be nice to have been born with all you need to know about the world.
Reading the article and the posts I'm astonished by how much wisdom and insight good home cookin' has given you, without you ever once having to have opened a book!
Mr Lord identifies the goofy names of a few college courses and thinks he's discovered some shocking fact. (Hey! Did you know? There are such a thing as LIBERAL college professors!!! Whoa.... Hold the presses!)
Mr Lord: college seminars are often silly. College campuses are home to fools and charlitans. It's true. But the American university system -- and Yale Divinity is certainly a part of it -- is the envy of the world. People compete from all over the planet to get here.
Funny ... the one part of our school system that still IS the best is the one part that Republicans -- like those unbelievable jackasses in Texas -- can't touch. I wonder why that is.....
No one's forcing Mr Lord to read or study anything. You all are free to hide out in the Fox Newsopia that makes you so happy and comfortable. It's a FREE COUNTRY, folks.
TR| 9.27.10 @ 5:20PM
Not contemptuous of education in general, just observant and not afraid to call out when the education is INDOCTRINATION against our exceptional Republic. When the "elites" that would "rule" us (Obama's appointees exact word - we will RULE you) would seem to think we will genuflect at their Harvard, Yale, or another well known bastion of progressivism education.
Again, a liberal attempt to make the rules of conversation, to attempt to box a conservative into a narrow conversation based on your twisted logic of legitimate dissention. From what I have read today, the concern is with the resume of Mr. Coons, not a hatred of education.
RCV| 9.27.10 @ 5:33PM
Well said, Nate.
The One We've Been Waiting For| 9.27.10 @ 9:24PM
We're buying shrimp, RCV. At least when you were sucking up to John2 you were paying homage to a smart guy. Now you are sucking up to a complete idiot. Oh well. Bug the net, baby.
DRed| 9.27.10 @ 6:49PM
We're buying shrimp Nate.
I have nothing to add, I just wanted to beat that other guy to it.
Nate| 9.27.10 @ 6:57PM
Well you win the prize then, Dred.
The One We've Been Waiting For| 9.27.10 @ 8:21PM
We're buying shrimp, trolls. You guys have been really good with the talking points lately. By the way don't confuse contempt for you with contempt for an education. Nobody respects trolls. Not even their boss. I think you guys should take up golf. It will help you keep your minds off what we know is going to happen in November. When I am out on the course I think of nobody but myself. Actually wherever I'm at I think of nothing but myself. Back to it gunsels. Summer of recovery, Chevy Volt, wind farms, payoffs to all my pals, you know what to do. We're closing gitmo, baby.
The One We've Been Waiting For| 9.27.10 @ 9:20PM
We're buying shrimp, Dred.
"I just wanted to beat that other guy to it."
That other guy is your Commander and Chief without his teleprompter gunsel. I always issue the traditional Hawaiian greeting. The full greeting is followed by "you typical white person". I have been told that I have been too racially focused so to leave that part out. Apparently some of my trolls, especially the white ones, that is all there is now that I think of it, start accusing everybody of being racist. I can't tell you how funny that strikes me. Anyway I only refer to my Granny as a typical white person, you know, the one who raised me. We are killing innocent Pakistanis with predators, baby. Read them their rights Dano. Ha Ha Ha.
dw| 9.27.10 @ 7:19PM
That is not education, it is targeted indoctranation of young mush brains by older mush brains intent on continuing their manipulation of false doctrine and perpetual contrariness. The quality of the material in question is relevent and in this case the material is trash. If trash is loaded what comes out is trash.
carnot| 9.27.10 @ 8:00PM
well there's an empirically grounded argument if ever I saw one!!!
dw| 9.27.10 @ 10:19PM
You are a perfect example of empirical evidence in support of my premise.
Fredrick Ward| 9.28.10 @ 4:27PM
So, as you say, the only thing not touched by government (Republicans) is our educational system? That's the dumbest, most uninformed, comment I have ever heard in my life. Oh, don't worry, though, because it's alright if the Liberals 'touch' our educational system because their ideals are 'right'.
Another uneducated comment you made is where our educational system actually stands comparative to the rest of the world.
Nov. 26, 2002
"(AP) South Korea has the most effective education system in the world's richest countries, with Japan in second place and the United States and Germany near the bottom, a United Nations study said Tuesday."
According to the U.S. Department of Education’s 2007 “Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study” (TIMSS), the U.S. trails behind the following countries in average mathematics scores:
Singapore
Taiwan
Japan
Republic of Korea
Hong Kong
Sweden
Netherlands
Hungary
Slovenia
Asian countries continue to improve in science and mathematics. Even though the U.S. was rated third as one of the most-improved countries between 1995-2007, it still cannot compete with its Asian counterparts.
Now, since we have the best educational system, shouldn't we have the highest scores? Obviously you Liberals have once again dropped the ball and put your head in the sand while telling yourselves that everything is alright.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 2:16PM
Um. I think he meant private unviersities.
All the testing you point to is done while public schools are very much influenced by both party's nonsense.
Fredrick Ward| 9.29.10 @ 3:31PM
Well, he would be wrong again then because the top university of 2010 resides in the United Kingdom. Also, while these universities are top of their field they are also affected by public policy both conservative and liberal. To say otherwise is ridiculously naive. In fact, liberal ideology has thwarted education of universities, and primary schools for generations now. Universities are more politico institutions to cause the students to conform rather than to actually learn these days. Put more simply, the goal is indoctrination, and not education.
Jeffrey Lord| 9.28.10 @ 4:33PM
Nate...
No one is contemptuous of education. But a close look at what's taught at YDS makes it clear the school is not about education as much as indoctrination. There's a difference.
Recommended reading for you: God and Man at Yale by William F. Buckley...1951.
Josh| 9.28.10 @ 9:35PM
Dear Mr Lord,
Your research is not good; it is riddled with false assumptions and associations.
First, you only note one to two books per class and pass this off as the entirety of a reading list for any given class, which is certainly not true. It is effective for creating a narrative, but is disingenuous. (in any good class there will be many readings representing many positions facilitating a discussion). Second, you conflate education/exposure with indoctrination/acceptance. Anyone who has had the fortune to attend college, or a good high school has invariably read Karl Marx...and this is because he is an important historical figure (whether you believe him or not). It is silly to think that reading translates into acceptance.
Third, you ignore the many other courses listed that would fall into "mainstream" Christianity. The courses that the author listed are not required; in fact, any theology/ethics student must taken systematic theology. The two primary authors are Martin Luther and Karl Barth, both of whom are far from the "left-wing".
Fourth, the classification REL only indicates that the course is housed at the divinity school; this classification distinguishes from those courses taught by RLST, the religious studies department. IT DOES NOT signify that a mode of thought is a religion, or properly called Christian.
I understand disagreeing with someone's policies, but it is frankly inexcusable to besmirch an entire institution based on a few poorly constructed arguments built on false "facts." Finally, the obfuscation between education and indoctrination is in poor taste, and is endemic to the political discourse that many bemoan. Please stop it, for the good of politics, and discussion in general.
Sincerely,
Josh
geronl| 9.29.10 @ 12:29AM
Texas... you have no idea what your talking about, you just read a leftwing news article and believe it because its leftist. The Texas Board of Education is a weak organization that does very little except at the margins fighting a rearguard action against those who rewrite history.
michigander_sandusky| 9.27.10 @ 5:25PM
I am automatically suspicious of anyone who attended any sort of religious school. And I say that as someone who reads and preaches the gospel of the New Testament regularly. Over the years I've found the vast majority of so-called "Christian" schools (regardless of theological "flavor") are about as far from the truth of the Bible as one can get.
Ms. Jones| 9.27.10 @ 6:08PM
As are most mainstream churches. They traded truth for "relevance" long ago, and are losing members in droves. Jesus warned about building one's "house" on shifting sands. Those "racist" evangelical churches preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ are growing by the thousands. In these uncertain economic times, people are seeking the solid rock of Biblical truth on which to build their lives.
Jack Greer| 9.27.10 @ 6:37PM
"In these uncertain economic times, people are seeking the solid rock of Biblical truth on which to build their lives."
Sounds like you're quoting the POTUS ... No?
Ms Jones| 9.28.10 @ 8:59AM
No! Since when does POTUS consider the Bible truth? In fact, he made a speech in which he mocked the Bible: http://www.youtube.com/watchv=4FCNKwHRCQM
His snide tone and sneer speak volumes.
Degree'd NOT!!| 9.27.10 @ 5:32PM
A degree is a waste of time, effort and money 99% of the time. There is nothing that I can't learn by doing, with the help of a mentor, within 4 weeks. Getting my Pilots license, wiring a home, evalutating stocks, killing bad guys on the street or in a cave, running a business, removing splinters or setting bones.
My kids wasted $100,000's playing video games, drinking beer and spanking the co-eds, (my wife felt they needed a degree), and they aren't even working in the fields they studied. From where I stand - if you want more of the same vote for the Beard, if you want to scare the hell out of D.C vote for the Broad.
Nate| 9.27.10 @ 5:53PM
So let me see if I have this straight.
Because your kids wasted their time in college, college is a waste of time.
Is that your argument?
Is this what Republicans have become? You vote for someone because they're NOT educated?
Pretty lame showing, folks.
Ms. Jones| 9.27.10 @ 6:11PM
It seems pretty obvious to me that Degree'd NOT is expressing his frustration with the poor choices his kids made, not writing doctrine for all conservative voters.
Nate| 9.27.10 @ 6:55PM
Degree'd should've been more clear then.
As for "doctrine," my guess is that conservatives would roll into a huge victory with a little less "doctrine" and a little more specifics about how they would govern. Saying "we don't like deficits" is not a policy position. Saying "we want to cut government spending" is not a policy position. Specifics. What will Republican leaders go on television and support cutting? THAT'S politics.
All this nonsense about Yale Divinity school having funny named seminars is just a DIVERSION. Let's hear it: what will Boehner go on the evening news and say he's FOR cutting??? Until I hear that, I'm just going to assume a Republican is trying peddle some goods no one wants. -- That's unless of course you want to take the high ground and really elevate the discussion by debating whether Obama has a "Kenyan" frame of mind. But yes, other than that noble debate, I call "bullshit."
The One We've Been Waiting For| 9.27.10 @ 8:26PM
We're buying shrimp, Nate. Elevating the discussion, that is a good one. It implies trolls have discussions. Keep to the talking points gunsel. Stop swearing Nate. It reminds people that you are the Liberal Reader. He was considered pretty stupid by the time you stopped posting under that name. You'll have to change your name again at this rate. Cap and trade, baby.
John| 9.27.10 @ 10:53PM
I happen to be the one for which all you Godless types have been definitely not waiting for. But Alas for You I am already hear and about to unleash the Heavenly Dogs Of war.
The One We've Been Waiting For| 9.27.10 @ 11:43PM
We're buying shrimp, John. What are already hearing? I am about to unleash the chickens so they can come home and roost. Cap and don't tell, baby.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 2:23PM
Anytime someone disagress with you, you cry troll. Do you listen to any ideas that don't from your own head or the mouth of Beck/Palin, etc?
The word indoctrinization has been thrown around quite freely in this (ahem) debate. I would think discrediting every contrary thought out of hand would fall into taht category.
Admit, at least, that you'renot against indoctrinization. You're just upset that that people aren't being indoctrinized to have the same thuoghts as you.
carnot| 9.27.10 @ 8:02PM
but that doesn't make the contrapositive true either!
The Big Crimson| 9.27.10 @ 5:47PM
Boola Boola
We's No Foola's
Coonsie Went To Schoola
Now Taxes Our Moola.
Yalies Bite
Not So Bright
Shoulda Gone
To Harvard At Night .
Michael| 9.28.10 @ 1:57PM
"Foola's"
that says it all
Jack Greer| 9.27.10 @ 6:06PM
I turned on the AM radio this afternoon just in time to catch one professional propagandist interviewing another. I thought I'd come here to see what Mr. Lord had to offer. Nothing of value presented dishonestly, as expected. ... Aren't we sick of the dishonesty, folks?
The coward even hides behind a nonexistent email address. Pathetic.
Ms. Jones| 9.27.10 @ 6:12PM
I'm sick of dishonesty, too. That's why I can't wait to see Pelosi, Reid and their fellow Obamites voted into the long unemployment lines their policies have created.
Jack Greer| 9.27.10 @ 6:24PM
I case you hadn't noticed, the whole political system is broken. The economic system was wrecked thru bipartisan mismanagement over more than three decades. There is no quick fix - it'll take years to heal.
... and now we're left dishonest team donkey/team elephant squabbling that diverts attention and channels anger for political benefit. Congratulation on your loyalty to the team.
Jack Bauer| 9.27.10 @ 6:33PM
Which "team" are you "loyal" to?
You sound rather sanctimonious. Give us political ideology. Who are your political influences.
Which ideology should be in charge for the "healing" to begin. Leninism, Marxism, National Socialism, Trotskyism, Socialism, Ayn Randism, Maoism, Crony Capitalism, Big Governmentism, Nanny Statism?
Come on man, how about a clue instead of meaningless, amorphous flailing.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 2:31PM
Give us political ideology?
Seriously?!? That's the problem! People don't think for themselves, but rely slavishly on trying to appear the perfect standard bearer for one ideology or another.
I'm for honest debate, focus on meanignful issues not red herrings, responsible spending and taxation, following (actual) historical precedent, upholding the Bill of Rights (whether it makes me personally happy - amend. 1 - or not - amend. 2). I could keep going, but you've already labeled me something in your mind. And have already dismissed me and my thoughts, because -though I've shared a small %age of them - one of my ideas has told you that I can't be taken seriously on any other topic.
Can I claim for myself anti-ideology-ism, though if you insist on labelling me?
Jack Bauer| 9.27.10 @ 6:26PM
So you listen to radio shows you don't like; and post on a website you don't like.
Man, are you gonna be really, really pissed on November 3.
Now that WE like.
Randy Engel | 9.27.10 @ 6:08PM
How about the New World Order "values" of Skull and Bones?
wodiej| 9.27.10 @ 7:06PM
Wow, the Chris Coon trolls are out in full force this evening. LOL...Instead of giving reasons for Coons crazy liberal ideas they are bashing O'Donnell who already gave reasonable, rational explanations for all the BS being thrown around here on her. Nice try....
Possum Dearie| 9.28.10 @ 8:43PM
What was the reasonable explanation for her claim that there are mouse-human hybrid brains?
DRed| 9.28.10 @ 9:02PM
She'll say all sorts of crazy stuff to get on tv?
ogod| 9.27.10 @ 7:45PM
Hi, I'm a misled simpleton who actually believes that education is a dangerous and that the ones controlling the government should be just as misled and willfully ignorant as me. However, if someone disagrees with me and makes a single typo I will immediately jump around and crow victory while completely missing the irony of the situation. Finally I plan to vote based on meaningless sound bites and whatever Fox News tells me because I've actively constructed a self-reinforcing bubble of protection which actively feeds into my pathetically limited world view without ever challenging the hive-mind. Am I in the right place?
carnot| 9.27.10 @ 8:16PM
hi! I'm a really, really good person and I care for the planet and love my fellow man. I firmly believe in raising taxes on the rich cuz what does a lost million or two mean to a millionaire or his kids? the government can put that money to better uses. and subprime loans coupled with a threat of court action is a just and moral path to walk. I love my zoned neighborhood that allows me to enjoy the morning sea breeze. you know...I attended Yale..or was it St John's College? doesn't matter.....while I amy be seeing a shrink or have a slight drug problem behind the scenes...I'm fully qualified in all my community organizer glory to play pretend I'm commander-in-chief or manage 18% of the economy.....cuz I'm a really, really good person and I have a degree in psychology from superior U!!! I KNOW HOW TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS AND LEAD PEOPLE - I HAVE A FRAMED SHEET OF PAPER HANGING ON MY OFFICE WALL THAT AFFIRMS THIS!!!! trust me.... :-) ....
Possum Dearie| 9.28.10 @ 8:40PM
Christine O'Donnell has just been caught for the third time dishonestly inflating her academic achievements. From the Washington Post's Greg Sargent: O'Donnell's LinkedIn bio page lists "University of Oxford" as one of the schools she attended, claiming she studied "Post Modernism in the New Millennium." But it turns out that was just a course conducted by an institution known as the Phoenix Institute, which merely rented space at Oxford. What's more, the woman who oversaw Phoenix Institute's summer program at Oxford said O'Donnell's claim about studying at Oxford is "misleading." She claimed for several years to have graduated from Fairleigh Dickinson Unversity, but she actually obtained her bachelor's degree last summer. And in a lawsuit she suggested she was trying for a Master's degree courses at Princeton -- but subsequently acknowledged she hadn't taken a single Princeton graduate course. DOES JESUS LIKE IT WHEN YOU LIE? I'm pretty sure I remember O'Donnell saying she would turn Anne Frank over to the Nazis barring an act of God, because she said it is never acceptable to lie under any circumstances. Unless you're trying to sweet talk DE voters into electing you to the US Senate LOL.
geronl| 9.29.10 @ 12:33AM
The only thing we know for certain is that the left today and the German NAZI's are almost identical.
albert constantine jr.| 9.27.10 @ 8:39PM
I think much of what passes for education in a number of institutions of higher learning was actually labeled "reeducation" when practiced by other "bearded Marxists" such as Ho Chi Minh. I was fortunate to have at least one professor who properly believed that the purpose of a bachelor's degree was to teach you to think critically (too many of my fellow student's 30 years ago avoided his classes bcause they were "too hard"). A study in 2004 found that John Kerry was supported most heavily by the least educated and most educated in America, i.e those who failed to complete high school and those with post graduate degrees (All elites need a dependent class to grant them power). Those with high school diplomas, vocational and bachelor's degrees (i.e. those generally capable of supporting themselves and their families) did not support the Democrat, and voted for Bush.
I believe Ronald Reagan said it much more succinctly when he said that its not that liberals are ignorant, it is rather that they "know" such much that isn't so.
albert constantine jr.| 9.27.10 @ 8:56PM
RWR did not say such much, but rather so much. Once again, I fail my transcriptionist test in the last sentence.
DRed| 9.27.10 @ 9:01PM
That's an interesting study, but does it have any value in predicting which candidate would do a better job? How do you think Bush did as president?
albert constantine jr.| 9.27.10 @ 9:17PM
I remain convinced that despite any failures and faults that the job that he did much better than Kerry would have done had he been victorious.
BillE| 9.27.10 @ 9:21PM
How many of you here are Delaware voters? Thought so. Many of us are looking forward to voting for Chris and putting the embarrassing O'Donnell saga behind us, and we have no interest drivel such as this!
albert constantine jr.| 9.28.10 @ 7:53AM
I don't remember seeing you when I cast my vote at Delcastle on 091410.
Brian| 9.28.10 @ 1:56PM
Delcastle? After reading your comments I would've figured you as a Milford resident.
Brian| 9.28.10 @ 1:58PM
Sorry, Albert...I forgot the "LOL". You do make some interesting points that put your reading level above the canal.
albert constantine jr.| 9.28.10 @ 9:33PM
Though technically I resided in Milford at the old Colony Inn on US 113 briefly while stationed at DAFB, I was born in 19805 (though there were no Zip Codes at the time, technically the old Memorial Hospital was 19806), four split decades in 19804, a seven year stretch around Trolley Square, four years in 19711 (U of D), with a few years at an FPO as one of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children. Voted at DelCastle in 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002,2004, 2006, 2008 and 2010 (though in 1980, I voted at Woodstock, next to Banning Park, when it was still NCCO Parks & Rec HQ). In other words, I'm in the belly of the beast in Northern New Castle County, though my voting pattern does look more like Sussex County.
Tim*| 9.27.10 @ 10:01PM
Get Back To Us On November 3rd CoonsieBoy .
Coons Is A Serial Taxer .
Delawareans Want Jobs Not Taxes .
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates .
Rise Up !
Nicholas Voss| 9.27.10 @ 10:29PM
What if a Republican came out and said, "I will bring Bob Jones University Values To The Senate?" Would the MSM be upset?
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 2:39PM
If by 'upset', you mean, 'report it'...then yes. But then, the MSM is covering this, too, so I'm not sure what you're point is.
Groucho| 9.28.10 @ 12:03AM
Jesus dictated the Constitution to James Madison. He didn't have to read or go to school. Especially that second amendment. Jesus was there every step of the way!
Every time people go to school they get their heads all screwed on wrong.
Evolution is a myth perpetrated by liberal lawyers. Just like the victory mosque. As soon as they started letting women and blacks go to school, it all went down hill from there.
Brian| 9.28.10 @ 1:53PM
ROFLLMMFAO
Yosemeti Sam| 9.28.10 @ 1:52AM
Delawareans DESERVE this coons' coon disciple of darkness: vis the Darth Vadar Biden
they've granted senate tenure to - endlessly heretofore.
LOL.
Joseph Nobles| 9.28.10 @ 2:12AM
Chris Coons wanted to pay people for sick leave they had accumulated? THE OUTRAGE!
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 2:42PM
I hate Marxists, who believe in upholding contracts agreed upon by two independent parties in a free market environment. Socialism like this is going to ruin America, and turn us into facist Nazi Germany!
Brian| 9.28.10 @ 1:39PM
Mr Lord, don't be upset that Coons, who used to work for Reagan, turned his back on the GOP because he had an enlightening experience. Furthermore, don't you think that those required texts are to expand the minds and thoughts of the students? Oh, and the "queer" comments...me, being a gay man from Delaware, sees Chris Coons at all of our LGBT community events because we have ZERO rights in this state as couples, and even if someone calls us "faggot" while kicking us in the head for being gay, that is not considered a hate crime in Delaware. Chris Coons supports our fight for equality and understands the VALUES of human dignity and respect. God forbid he wants to share those values with the rest of the country. Regarding the comments that there are rumors that he has a gay lover...really???? Unless you're a gay man in Delaware, you haven't a clue as to what you speak. Why? Because Delaware is such a small state that if our County Executive was committing adultery with a man, EVERY GAY MAN IN DELAWARE WOULD KNOW...trust me, we're petty enough to get in everyone's business and something like this would be the talk of the eloquently placed dining tables of gay men all across this state. So until you have something more than accusations based on Chris telling his alma mater that he will carry on the traditional values of the school that gave him his Masters in ETHICS. O'Donnell misuses campaign funds (fact), and Coons sits on the board of 2 non-profits (fact), and volunteers at homeless shelters (fact). Hmm...I wonder who I would trust to make ethical decisions in the US Senate?
Brian| 9.28.10 @ 1:52PM
I love when I forget to finish a sentence!
So until you have something more than accusations based on Chris telling his alma mater that he will carry on the traditional values of the school that gave him his Masters in ETHICS, I suggest you open your mind and volunteer at a homeless shelter or try to contribute something of value to society.
Jeffrey Lord| 9.28.10 @ 4:46PM
Brian...
"Regarding the comments that there are rumors that he has a gay lover...really????"
I never heard this and never wrote about it.
For the record I lean towards civil unions. I could not possibly care about your private life or anyone else's. I do think man-woman marriage is important for society as a whole.
You seem to be confusing being gay with being Left. The point about the "Queer Worship" course is its dedicated left-wingism and the idea that this kind of thing is important to being a US Senator. It is no different than the feminist class, or the witchcraft class or the classes that indoctrinate on liberation theology. This is about being Left...not gay, not black, not a woman, not anything other than Marxism as Christianity. That's the Alpha and the Omega. And there a lot of people out there who believe this is exactly what's wrong in Washington right this minute...because a philosophy that always results in poverty, taking jobs from people, etc etc etc...is in charge. And its time to get rid of this idiocy before more people are hurt.
Possum Dearie| 9.28.10 @ 8:31PM
Christine O'Donnell accused Mike Castle of being a closeted gay, as well. Is this how she campaigns on the issues? She seems to have a real problem with the LGBT community and sexuality in general. Five bucks says she eats at the Y.
Yale | 9.28.10 @ 3:37PM
Sounds interesting. It seems that Coons thinks that values are something that are practiced and honed, not innate. What will happen if, on a whim, he forgets his values and goes with the flow? I wonder why this did not come up in the discussion he published.
Walkthetalk| 9.28.10 @ 3:48PM
YDS is only one of a plethora of leftist divinity schools. I looked at 303 sites provided by the leftist divinity school Fuller. http://documents.fuller.edu/cio/seminaries/ Not all schools on this list are leftist, although the number is debatable; it seems to me to be about a dozen, and a few with a perplexing mixture of fundamental and liberal. Think of that. Churches all around America select their clergy from these seminaries and maybe .04% are actually Biblically Christian, while 99.96% are Marxist theology and foolishness. Yes, there are a few smaller seminaries that are omitted from this list, but this is the prime resource pool for Protestants and some Catholics. It’s a cesspool. I suggest that each one look at the credentials of your church leaders. Listen carefully to their sermons. Look on their bookshelves. Those of you on the left will probably like what you see and hear, so you don’t need to read the rest of this post. For those on the right, you will probably find out that you are on your own. Fortunately God does not leave you to your own devices, unless you abandon him. You can read your own Bible. You don’t have to rely on some polluted seminary grad or anyone else to teach you. God teaches. Keep in mind 2 Chronicles 7:14 – If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves, and be praying, and BE SEEKING MY FACE, and TURN from the ways of the wicked, then I will hear from heaven, I will forgive their sin, and heal their land. This is the definition of “repent.” It means turn to Jesus. If America repented in this manner America would be restored. Those who have repented properly do not need any help, because God teaches, but if you do get confused go to www.christforamericans.com For those on the left, this site will induce laughter; for those on the right, this site will provide a great boost to your understanding of the Bible and God’s truth.
Possum Dearie| 9.28.10 @ 8:28PM
"It’s a cesspool."
Yeah, nothing like MTV and satanic picnics.
cc423| 9.28.10 @ 5:06PM
Let me see if I've got this straight... you are saying that Coons is guilty by association because he went to Yale Divinity School where a class on witchcraft is taught so he must condone that? Nice try morons. You sound about as bright as that whack-job O'Donnell.
David Vandarus| 9.28.10 @ 5:50PM
Um...this article doesn't say anything about Coons taking any of these courses. Heck, did they even offer them when he went there?
Articles like this just make us sound desperate.
A Hermit| 9.28.10 @ 6:01PM
This is the funniest thing I've read since that nonsense about murdering someone fro the crime of being black not really being lynching unless a noose was involved...
Where does the conservative movement find these pinheads?
YDS grad | 9.28.10 @ 8:10PM
Wow, you can look at a school's website. Good for you.
Until you actually attend Yale Divinity School, I think you should keep your thoughts to yourself. Many of the people I met at YDS are the kindest, most thoughtful and caring people I have ever met. When someone stops you and asks how you're doing, they genuinely mean it. Honestly, it's a little disarming for people to be so sincere all the time. Many of the people who attend YDS critically engage their faith, how that informs their values and actionable steps to live out those values. There's a wide array of political (and nonpolitical) viewpoints and everyone is encouraged to speak their mind. You can't just look at a course listing and assume that YDS students and graduates are mindless autobots trained to fulfill your ideas of radical, far-left theologies and lifestyles.
Yale Divinity School is a school that, at its core, affirms people's inherent worth. Attacking a school based on mining their website in order to gain political points is low and cheap journalism.
Possum Dearie| 9.28.10 @ 8:26PM
I prefer Yale Divinity School values to televangelist deadbeat hypocrisy and sanctimony.
Jeffrey Lord| 9.28.10 @ 9:07PM
So you voted against Clinton? Interesting!
Gabriel J. Michael| 9.28.10 @ 9:27PM
I graduated in 2009 from Yale Divinity School with the same degree that Coons received, an M.A.R. in ethics.
Where do I even begin? Funny how Lord mentions that James Cone (now a household name amongst conservatives, thanks to the likes of Glenn Beck) is required reading for Christian Ethics. Yes, I was assigned Cone in one of my courses. Even worse, I was assigned other liberation theologians! Shocking, I know, that students of religious ethics and theology should be assigned to read seminal works in their field. I wonder why Lord didn't also mention that students are required to read Barth, Rahner, Niebuhr, Luther, Calvin, Augustine, Aquinas, etc. in those very same classes.
Do you really intend to impugn an entire academic institution because it assigns books with which you don't agree? If so, I suggest you stay away from higher education. Reading Cone does not turn you into a reverse racist. I know plenty of conservatives who attended YDS and left still being conservatives.
It's an utter waste of my time to sit here and correct point by point the innumerable logical fallacies of this post, but let me assure your readers that Mr. Lord's "research" for this piece must have consisted of about 20 minutes split between Google and Wikipedia. Had he actually talked to anyone who attended the school, perhaps his views would have changed. Or perhaps not, as Mr. Lord is clearly nothing more than a political hack.
I'm not saying the institution is perfect by any means; indeed, those of us who went there are the ones who often have the harshest words for it. But really, this piece is an utter joke, and it says much, much more about its writer and those who credulously believe its every assertion than about either YDS or Coons.
chris lynch| 10.4.10 @ 10:30AM
Gabriel Michael, thank you. You mention Glenn Beck in your critique of Jeffrey Lord's essay about Chris Coons. Touche.
Jeffrey Lord| 9.28.10 @ 9:57PM
Gabriel....
"Shocking, I know, that students of religious ethics and theology should be assigned to read seminal works in their field."
You say this of James Cone?He's in the same league as Calvin? Augustine? Etc etc? Therein lies the problem.
Gabriel J. Michael| 9.28.10 @ 10:28PM
I wasn't intending to reply to anything you might have posted, but I couldn't help myself.
Just to be clear: you admit that you think Cone is a second-rate theologian, yet he is the one you pick as representative of values of YDS?
And, just to be clear: that was a rhetorical question. I sincerely hope this is the last time I ever run across any of your drivel. I close this browser tab with satisfaction.
Michael| 9.30.10 @ 7:35AM
Oh, Mr. Lords. Desperation is hard to watch.
Sara| 9.28.10 @ 10:54PM
Speaking as a recent YDS graduate, I must say that Mr. Lord has grossly misrepresented the kind of education one gets at the school. While many of his facts were not wrong-- for example the classes and books he names as part of the curriculum-- his analysis of the content of those classes and books is completely off! For example, it is a common misperception that liberation theology is somehow just veiled Marxism, but that is simply not true. Many liberation theologians of the 1970's came from socialist countries, and that did influence them, but they themselves were not Marxists, and many liberation theologians since then have no socialist or Marxist ties. Since when did economic justice and caring for the poor become synonymous with being socialist anyway?? And speaking as someone who took the class 'Just Hospitality', in which we did indeed read 'Pedagogy of the Oppressed', I can say with more authority than Mr. Lord that never was it suggested that we should all become socialists. The book itself is about education. As a class we discussed the ideas in this book-- many of which we disagreed with or found problems with. Just because we read a book for a class doesn't mean we take every word as absolute.
Finally, Mr. Lord chooses to highlight certain courses in order to paint a very specific picture. But the truth is that in addition to these more liberal classes, there are classes in traditional biblical interpretation, and classes taught by orthodox theologians-- both protestant and catholic. There is a history class that talks about witchcraft, but there are also history classes about the history of evangelicalism, american religious history, and the Anglican prayer book. There is a class on queer liturgy, but there are also classes on Reformed Protestantism and Catholic doctrines of the Eucharist.
To sum up-- Mr. Lord-- you should be ashamed of yourself for doing the same thing so many partisan journalists are doing these days-- provided a VERY skewed and biased picture of something in order to score political points and sling mud on a political candidate you don't like. Shame on you.
Jeffrey Lord| 9.28.10 @ 11:25PM
Sara...
You say..
"Since when did economic justice and caring for the poor become synonymous with being socialist anyway?"
The fact that you do not seem to understand that the term "economic justice" is seen in the outside world as code for socialism/Marxism is, I confess, amazing.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 2:56PM
She actually understands that the association exists quite clearly. If she did not, why would she tell us that it's false assocaition?
Sara| 9.29.10 @ 10:15PM
I think by "outside world," you mean people who agree with you.
For the record, I understand the association all to well, but as KDL points out, it is precisely my point that it is a false association. A false association that is propagated in articles such as this one.
Jeffrey Lord| 9.28.10 @ 10:57PM
Gabriel...
I'm sure you're a nice guy.
But what you are exhibiting here, intentionally or not, is exactly what drives average Americans crazy...this business of intellectual arrogance. The more it is demonstrated, the more furious grows the opposition. Just to be clear: your attitude as displayed here is exactly what people see in Washington. For those of us who have seen this before (see: Robert McNamara and Vietnam) it is an A+ asset if you are a Christine O'Donnell.
I'm sure she will be thankful for your contribution to the O'Donnell campaign. Because knowingly or not, you just made one.
24shamsky| 9.29.10 @ 11:31AM
"Intellectual arrogance?" Is that what you call it when you've just had your ass handed to you? I think that in your case, "political hack" was too elevated a description. You're a clown, Mr. Lord.
kdl| 9.29.10 @ 3:02PM
Jeffrey,
This response is just like your article. You make a claim via name-calling and then offer no argument to back it up.
You call Gabriel intellectly arrogant. But, what was arrogant about his post beyond one slip of calling you a hack? He offered a non-hostile description of his experience (not book-y, learn-y stuff, but what he actuall felt and experienced). And yes he did mention some facts, but if using facts to verify one's argument is grounds for being called intellectually arrogant we are either 1) all intellectually arrogant or 2) on our way back to a pre-Enlightenment world.
jim| 9.29.10 @ 3:05PM
Likewise, I am quite sure Coons is very grateful for the contribution that YOU just made to HIS. If one didn't know better, one might think you were on his payroll. Good job of re-reminding everyone of O'Donnell's youthful dabbling in witchcraft - right when it was fading from the public eye, too. Interesting to see that she's stupid enough to play along with this non-story ... if anyone still took her seriously up to now, I'd say she's doing a great job of fixing that mistake.
Dave M| 9.29.10 @ 8:07AM
Are you serious?!
Even by the Right's "standards" of shameful, embarrassing, and outright stupid commentary, this is so shamefully, embarrassingly stupid that it's hard to imagine there's a single person in this country who's buying this nonsense, but lo & behold, you've got a legion of followers who are!
How sad for all of us that this is what you feel compelled to offer to your readers, and sadder still that there are others who agree with this kind of narrow-minded “thinking.”
Good God, man - loosen the tin foil hat a bit
kstars| 9.29.10 @ 9:25AM
We need to think out of the box here. Capitalism is not working because of greed and other factors. Our current form of Capitalism is evolving because greedy elites and corporations have taken Reagan's trickle-down economics half-heartedly; they've taken the tax breaks, and not given back by creating more meaningful jobs. Jobs for the middle class.
Then a LIBERAL president signed NAFTA. Oh, the joy! As if the tax breaks weren't enough.
There is never enough for the greedy.
And, about the article: Very sly, but so taken out of context.
Mark C| 9.29.10 @ 2:41PM
Could the author of this garbage possibly be any more stupid? I'm serious. Clearly he has some combination of early childhood head trauma and really bad genetics going for him, but I'm just wondering if there's any way he could possibly have turned out more clueless.
jim| 9.29.10 @ 3:18PM
Did Coons take any of the classes named? Were they even available when he was at YDS? If so, would this imply his past or present adherence to paganism? The very suggestion is laughable to anyone with more intellect than that of a small child. Thus, this entire non-story is nothing more than inept damage-control for a candidate who is now in hiding from the media because her candidacy is failing miserably.
Critical thinking is plainly not a core value on the right, nor is basic logic. Both are essential prerequisites for successfully governing a modern nation. Articles like this are what happens when you keep dumbing-down education for long enough.
RCV| 9.29.10 @ 3:19PM
Let's see, as of today, we're up to three colleges the lying witch said she attended that she didn't.
Josh2005| 9.29.10 @ 4:30PM
YDSGRAD04,
The early Christians were not Socialists. If anything, you could all them communists, in that they lived in small, commune-like societies. In a Socialist system, the government controls everything and redistributes it as they see fit. Ideally, pure communism is voluntary. Of course, if you know anything about world history, you know that Marx's communist ideal has never existed on a large scale EVER and it never will. All attempts to implement such a system are done by force and always devolve into oppression, poverty, and despotism. For reference, see the Soviet Union, Red China, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, etc.
However, this is the main difference: The early Christians shared everything they had voluntarily, out of love for one another, and out of obedience to God. This is known as CHARITY. They did not share because they were forced to do so by a draconian government. When "charity" is forced upon us, it is no longer charity. It is theft. Thanks for playing.
James| 9.29.10 @ 6:00PM
Yale Divinity School's rebuttal of this trash.
http://www.yale.edu/divinity/notes/101004/values.shtml
Yates Walker| 10.4.10 @ 10:43AM
Dean Harold Attridge responds to attacks on YDS values
In response to an article in the conservative publication The American Spectator deriding Yale Divinity School, Dean Harold Attridge has issued a statement calling the article an example of “political rhetoric” that abandons “any pretense to reasonable discourse.”
The article, written by Jeffrey Lord, a former Reagan White House political director, was published Sept. 27 on the magazine’s web site and was written in response to an interview in the September Notes from the Quad with Chris Coons ’92 M.A.R., ’92 J.D., a candidate for the U.S. Senate in Delaware.
In that interview, Coons speaks about “values that were honed” while he was a YDS student, which Lord then uses to attack Coons after disparaging YDS faculty and courses, including a course on the history of witchcraft.
Attridge said the courses and faculty attacked in The American Spectator article explore important aspects of religious history or “engage in serious consideration of important contemporary issues and perspectives on religion and society.” Any suggestion that YDS has moved to the fringes of the Christian tradition, Attridge asserted, could not be “further from the truth.”
“It is regrettable that principled discourse about important issues of the day can be so easily sidetracked by partisan rhetoric,” Attridge noted. “Political commentators should aspire to a higher standard.”
The complete text of Dean Attridge’s statement follows: read more
Jennifer | 9.29.10 @ 11:32PM
Mr. Lord,
It's Yale Divinity School, not THE Yale Divinity School. And it's Ada Maria Isasi-Diaz, not Ada Maria Asisi-diaz. But I'm sure you know that already. It seems you've done your research.
Josh| 9.29.10 @ 11:42PM
I find it funny that the article talked about values being transmitted three
ways. The three listed all relate back to the latter. Professors decided what content is taught in courses developed through their desired teaching areas and expertise. This means that professors are truly the ones to blame. ...OR... Maybe it i...s the school's leadership, which allows for such teaching styles to be used.
Regardless, the most important thing for people to consider is how Coons interprets his education. Every person has a different experience and interpretation of courses, assigned readings, and interactions with professors/leadership. Given this, not two people could possibly have identical values instilled, even though the institution does have its general mission and values which are hopefully transmitted to students. NO guarantee is given for this transmission to actually occur.
Furthermore, I am proud of the YDS for allowing courses like REL 717: Witchcraft and Witch Hunting to be taught. It shows that religious orders of all categories should be studied and understood in order to build a greater understanding of religious/social institutions. A major difference between Coons and O'Donnell is that Coons does not hide nor attempt to retract his upbringing, education, or intellectual pursuits.
The article shows just how much ignorance is in the world. As a bleeding heart Liberal, I have no problem with O'Donnell dabbling in witchcraft, if she actually did so. If she did, she must own up to it and quit trying to downplay the situa...tion. Wicca, like all religions, is misunderstood and thought to be detrimental to society. The is the stance O'Donnell seems to be taking as well. YDS appears to take a different route by promoting to education of diverse religions so that the religious community knows things are not nearly as black and white as society would like them. The same understanding goes for the other courses listed by an apparently ignorant journalist.
Soup| 9.30.10 @ 12:48AM
This is ridiculous. Assigning a reading for a class is not an endorsement of the views expressed in the reading.
I'm sure that every Constitutional Law professor in the country assigns Plessy v. Furgeson to their students. (Plessy was the case that established that "Separate but Equal" was constitutionally okay. It was famously overruled by Brown v. Board of Education.) Only someone massively uninformed would take this to be an endorsement of segregation by the legal academy.
Mike Brooks| 9.30.10 @ 11:20AM
Mr. Lord has written an unfair, dishonest article in the hope of creating power for himself and people he agrees with. It does not help our nation or people. Shame, Mr. Lord. Shame.
Anon| 9.30.10 @ 3:27PM
This is the worst piece of dribble I've ever read, and I have to approve student writing for a high school political paper in California. I personally do not like Coons as a candidate, however, this article makes me sick in it's lack of logical attacks... It's like saying because Reagan once shook hands with Hulk Hogan, he was a bandana wearing, wrestling loving, reality TV fan. I know for a fact, Reagan hated reality TV.
John Helmiere| 10.2.10 @ 2:51PM
I'm a graduate of YDS. Some of us in the alumni community are discussing whether YDS would have been more or less fun if this article was at all accurate. If YDS is a Marxist institution please explain why Tony Blair teaches there. http://www.yale.edu/divinity/Fac.meet.shtml
Chuck Riffee| 10.2.10 @ 6:54PM
Vituperous tripe. We can do without such scurrilous commentary. Mr. Lord has done a great disservice to serious conservative thought with his attack on Yale Divinity School. A real setback for this publication. A credibility faux pas.
doug from douglas| 10.5.10 @ 11:16PM
The arguments proposed by Mr. Lord is so laughable, I am having trouble distinguishing it from The Onion article. Do you honestly believe that a religious class titled "Witchcraft and Witch Hunting" teaches witchcraft instead of the religious history behind witch hunting pinnacled by the Salem Witch Trial? I remember taking a history class called "The Holocaust" back in college; thank goodness my professor wasn't as literal as you suggest the YDS professors to be.
lauren| 11.8.10 @ 10:46PM
I'm astounded by some of the comments on here...
Including this one...
..."The Bible does not teach to take from those who are successful and give it to those who aren't successful; even worse those who do not plan on being anything but a weight on society."...
Geez...I can't get over how many times people get all peeved about taxes and such for the rich and
complain about re-distribution of wealth...
When the rich' get tax cuts up the ying yang,
so called 'conservatives' are totally silent about 're-distribution of wealth'...