William Pfaff decries American foreign policy in a way that may
give readers, left and right, pause.
(Page 2 of 2)
In one of the more startling passages,
Pfaff minimizes the dangers of Muslim fundamentalists. "I seem to
be one of the very few Americans who do not believe in the enormity
of the Islamic radical threat," he writes. Islamic terrorism is
nothing more than a passing phenomenon, "neither unprecedented nor
specific to the present period" except in relation to oil resources
and the existence of Israel.
Pfaff concludes with a catalogue of disasters that would
never have happened if U.S. policy had been non-interventionist --
Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Pol Pot's genocide, Iran's theocracy, and
of course Iraq and Afghanistan.
At the end of this extended essay, Pfaff is unequivocal.
"America's colossally militarized but morally nugatory global
mission… has lacked from the very beginning an attainable goal. It
cannot succeed."
An iconoclast to the end, Pfaff uses his erudition and his
command of language to make his case in ringing tones. But the
value of this slim volume resides more in his provocative treatment
of familiar issues rather than any plan to grapple with solutions.
The book reads like the testament of a distant sage who wants to
leave behind his personal views on how the United States lost its
way. Perhaps he is hopeful that future generations will take heed.
If so, Bill Pfaff turns out to be an optimist after all.
It would be interesting to compare the rise and fall of colonial
europe to the challenges we have in Manifest Destiny.
It is a human flaw that we typically choose to have contempt and
suspicion of foreigners, especially when they attempt to influence
long-standing traditions? even if the aims are wholly beneficial to
the natives? I do know we bristle when any faction attempts to
criticize any US sacred cow.
I think most can agree that people left their home countries behind
and started anew in America. It was a consequence of proximity and
the vast separation that occurred when coming to the new world. The
Irish would have "wakes" when a person or family chose to come
here, as they often were never to return.
Maybe there is something in the immediacy of contact that is
stopping the progress of democracy in many countries?
I haven't seen it first hand, but does anyone know the roots of
"don't trust the smiling white man"?
Truth to Power| 9.3.10 @ 7:55PM
"I haven't seen it first hand, but does anyone know the roots of
"don't trust the smiling white man"?"
It was coined today by some tory in Canada today. If you
substitute progressive for white man, you might be on to
something.
Truth to Power| 9.3.10 @ 7:55PM
"I haven't seen it first hand, but does anyone know the roots of
"don't trust the smiling white man"?"
It was coined today by some tory in Canada today. If you
substitute progressive for white man, you might be on to
something.
Alan Brooks| 9.4.10 @ 10:55PM
Technically Pffaf is correct, but until-- that is to say IF --
nationalism ceases, a nation will attempt hegemony, imperialism,
even genocide.
IMO China will take America's place-- but they are no better than
us and less democratic politically.
Alanb Brooks| 9.4.10 @ 10:58PM
Pfaff, not Pffaf--
wouldn't want to get an egotistical writer's panties in a bunch by
misspelling his name.
GreyLion| 9.8.10 @ 5:56AM
Alan,
you wear panties???
Rasy| 9.3.10 @ 10:17AM
Democracy is "intellectually unsustainable idea as well as
politically impossible to achieve, hence a cause for global
concern?" Hay, Pfaff, how's that European Imperialism working out
for you? Not too well, I see.
Smirking Weasel| 9.3.10 @ 2:26PM
" We are not their. keepers. We never will be."
Oh, hell YES!
THE fundamental principal of a actually AMERICAN foreign
policy.
It should be tattooed on the faces of slimy chickenhawks
everywhere-Kristol, Krauthammer,
Lieberman, McCain, Bush, Clinton, Blair, on and on and on.
Alan Brooks| 9.5.10 @ 9:20PM
McCain??
No wonder your handle is "smirking weasel".
First, my congratulations to Mr Pfaff for setting up a splendid
straw man in "Manifest Destiny." But why not go a step further and
declare autocracy to be "Democracy." That would get us all out of
the woods.
It is, in fact, quite apparent we are NOT attempting to export
"democracy on the American model" for then we would create
representative government on the level of township and school board
rather than design a system that appoints local governors and
police chiefs from Baghdad and Kabul. In other words, let the
locals directly prescribe how much corruption they can accept to
gain some order in their lives. You know, the way we do things in
the U S.
I propose we start this new approach by encouraging true
American-style government in Iran. Recognize a government in exile
and give appropriate aid. After overthrow of the mullahs encourage
a federal system in New Iran, featuring elected officials from the
lowest to the highest levels of governance.
Begin with the grassroots, in other words, and depend on the
people themselves to look after the higher levels rather than our
attempting to set up some euro-style form of rule from the top.
Oh, and ignore the whining of William "Frenchie" Pfaff.
Alan Brooks| 9.5.10 @ 9:24PM
"let the locals directly prescribe how much corruption they can
accept to gain some order in their lives. You know, the way we do
things in the U S."
Now there is a good point. Nor is corruption lacking in
France.
David March| 9.3.10 @ 3:30PM
Yeah western democracy was not sucessfully exported to
Afghanistan, when they decided to kill a former Muslim who
converted to Christianity. Thats when they completely lost me.
martin j smith| 9.3.10 @ 5:01PM
It is possible that at least one reason why Pfaff is not viewed
with much confidence is because in addition to the radical Islamic
threat which most Americans are concerned about, we have Russuia
and China and their various client states. Many of these client
statetes do present dangers regionally in far the far and middle
east--Iran and North Korea. Then you have Hugo Chavez in South
America and other wanna beez. I think the isssue is that there are
too many loose cannons any one of which can lead to a trigger even.
The "world" may not be sold on "Democracy" but we do not have to be
sold on tryrrany. My motto would be: speak reasonably, but carry a
big stick.
nekoxgirl| 9.3.10 @ 7:01PM
American's fate was pretty much sealed when Woodrow Wilson got
elected President. Not only did he send the United States down the
path of "making the world safe for democracy" he also brought us
the Federal Reserve to fund this foolishness.
Now we stand at the precipice of the fall of the Republic and
the beginning of a new world order that, if it has its way, will
bring back the very system of governance that we rebelled against
and nearly destroyed in the late 1700's.
Mimi| 9.3.10 @ 7:45PM
For what it is worth...My opinion is..
In the heart of ALL men by his very nature..He yearns to be FREE.
It will always be the best to strive for democracy. The U.S.A. was
born on that principle. The French desired its people to know its
fruits.... and over a century ago,
presented our free people with the statue of LIBERTY. We have
helped many thru the years
obtain democracy at great sacrifice to our sons and daughters. All
over the EARTH it will always be or strivings to be FREE!!!
J.C.Eaton| 9.3.10 @ 10:10PM
Mimi, you may be right that liberty breathes in the hearts of
most folks throughout the world, and you are surely correct that
many are free because of our military's exertions[I don't equate
"democracy' with freedom necessarily, after all, an illustration of
purest democracy is a lynch-mob] but having said that, I do not
believe we have a moral imperative to "free ' everyone who desires
the condition. If there ever was a time we could afford to do that,
that time is past.
Mimi| 9.4.10 @ 3:59PM
J.C....Right now we are fighting tooth and nail for our own
LIBERTY. The time of wars... on the earth hopfully will be replaced
by technology in communications to spread the message to all who
dwell in bondage. For the here and now for us we must be our own
guardians and reverse our own SHIP!
cats1cowboy| 9.4.10 @ 6:50AM
The United States was founded as a democratic Republic, not a
democracy. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to eat
for dinner.
PCP Smoker| 9.4.10 @ 9:35AM
"Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Pol Pot's genocide, Iran's theocracy,
and of course Iraq and Afghanistan."
So, if the US had not intervened in southeast Asia, despite being a
member of SEATO, the communist would not have murdered and starved
its victims?
Were Pol Pot's action the result of US intervention in SE Asia
or the result of a lack of intervention?
Then again, why decry the "tragedy" of Pol Pot's, or any other
communist regime, when one advocates isolationism?
The lack of US involvement in Afghanistan led to regime of the
Taliban. They became a heaven for Al Queda, which led to 9/11. To
shut one's eyes to this reality, is to shut one's eyes to the
reality that bad guys are always on the attack. Follow this policy
and be prepared for more 9/11s
Tim*| 9.4.10 @ 2:33PM
United States National Interests are not necessarily served by
using our warriors as cannon fodder to repeatedly force feed
elements of Democracy around the Globe .
While completed Afghanistan & Iraq military actions can be
discussed , any further attempts to use Our Warriors in other
foreign nations needs to be debated .
ubu roi| 9.4.10 @ 2:42PM
I'm with PCP Smoker, I see nothing to suggest, that had the US
remained out of southeast Asia, that the murder, rapine and bloody
aggression of communist tyrants would have somehow been
otherwise--it would have been far worse, and probably would have
spread further and with a much larger overall toll of life and
property.
That the US refused to address the brutal intent of both Nazi
Germany and Imperial Japan until the contagion was at our doorstep
was a profound failure of action and nerve--both should have been
confronted with military power years earlier, and with the resolve
to defeat both, not merely contain them. I see nothing in Pfaff
that suggests he would have advocated such action.
I'm with Pfaff on the limits of democracy, and all ears when it
comes to cold-eyed realism, but my realism comes from Hobbes and
Machiavelli, and doesn't have all the hand-wringing, unilateral
moral baggage he carries around on his sleeve.
unseen| 9.5.10 @ 11:20AM
This is what passes for mainstream thought?
I see Pfaff "forgets" about Germany and Japan and South Korea
where American "type" of government was exported and has worked
well enough for generations.
Even the manifest destiny itself shows that exporting the idea
of American style democracy works. We exported the founders vision
across an entire continent. Once placed that type of government has
functioned well for 100 years in all climates, all cultures and all
lands where it has been tried.
The fact of the matter is that liberal multicultulism in the
70's and beyond made Leaders in America stop exporting American
ideas and instead tried to twist deomcracy into present types of
cultures and governments.
Afgan and Iraq we allowed them to form their own type of
government neither are based on US style limited gov.
The reason US gov works is because it limits governmental power,
splits power between branches and local governments (federalism)
andgives the individual freedom. Without those key aspects of our
government simply giving people a vote is not going to work.
the sad fact is our present leaders do not understand our
government, do not understand why it works and no longer thinks our
type of government is the greatest designed by man. In fact the
prsent POTUS wants to transform that type of government into
something else.
Why would he or bush export something they do not like very and
do not agree with fully.
Bob K.| 9.5.10 @ 8:47PM
If you are going to read this book you might as well also buy
and read John Lukacs' "DEMOCRACY AND POPULISM -- Fear and Hatred."
ISBN 0-300-11693-4 Yale Univ. Press 2005. 248pp
Here is a couple of quotes from it to give you something to
think about. Quote from page 5 while discussing Toqueville: "Is
democracy the rule of the people, or, more precisely: rule by the
people? No: because it is, really and actually, rule in the name of
the people."
Another quote on page 15: "Any history of modern democracy
(which, I again insist, is not at all identical with any history of
"liberty").........."
Page 27: "Democracy, and popular sovereignty, had become
sacrosanct American principle and political reality, latest by the
1820s; and so they are today."
PCC| 9.6.10 @ 7:09AM
We should export manufactured goods, business and financial
services, software, music and films, even political ideas.
Let's stop exporting our troops.
Pete Brown| 9.6.10 @ 11:32AM
Why does the link from the front page have a picture of Fred
Barnes?
canuckistani| 9.3.10 @ 8:23AM
It would be interesting to compare the rise and fall of colonial europe to the challenges we have in Manifest Destiny.
It is a human flaw that we typically choose to have contempt and suspicion of foreigners, especially when they attempt to influence long-standing traditions? even if the aims are wholly beneficial to the natives? I do know we bristle when any faction attempts to criticize any US sacred cow.
I think most can agree that people left their home countries behind and started anew in America. It was a consequence of proximity and the vast separation that occurred when coming to the new world. The Irish would have "wakes" when a person or family chose to come here, as they often were never to return.
Maybe there is something in the immediacy of contact that is stopping the progress of democracy in many countries?
I haven't seen it first hand, but does anyone know the roots of "don't trust the smiling white man"?
Truth to Power| 9.3.10 @ 7:55PM
"I haven't seen it first hand, but does anyone know the roots of "don't trust the smiling white man"?"
It was coined today by some tory in Canada today. If you substitute progressive for white man, you might be on to something.
Truth to Power| 9.3.10 @ 7:55PM
"I haven't seen it first hand, but does anyone know the roots of "don't trust the smiling white man"?"
It was coined today by some tory in Canada today. If you substitute progressive for white man, you might be on to something.
Alan Brooks| 9.4.10 @ 10:55PM
Technically Pffaf is correct, but until-- that is to say IF -- nationalism ceases, a nation will attempt hegemony, imperialism, even genocide.
IMO China will take America's place-- but they are no better than us and less democratic politically.
Alanb Brooks| 9.4.10 @ 10:58PM
Pfaff, not Pffaf--
wouldn't want to get an egotistical writer's panties in a bunch by misspelling his name.
GreyLion| 9.8.10 @ 5:56AM
Alan,
you wear panties???
Rasy| 9.3.10 @ 10:17AM
Democracy is "intellectually unsustainable idea as well as politically impossible to achieve, hence a cause for global concern?" Hay, Pfaff, how's that European Imperialism working out for you? Not too well, I see.
Smirking Weasel| 9.3.10 @ 2:26PM
" We are not their. keepers. We never will be."
Oh, hell YES!
THE fundamental principal of a actually AMERICAN foreign policy.
It should be tattooed on the faces of slimy chickenhawks everywhere-Kristol, Krauthammer,
Lieberman, McCain, Bush, Clinton, Blair, on and on and on.
Alan Brooks| 9.5.10 @ 9:20PM
McCain??
No wonder your handle is "smirking weasel".
Dai Alanye| 9.3.10 @ 3:03PM
First, my congratulations to Mr Pfaff for setting up a splendid straw man in "Manifest Destiny." But why not go a step further and declare autocracy to be "Democracy." That would get us all out of the woods.
It is, in fact, quite apparent we are NOT attempting to export "democracy on the American model" for then we would create representative government on the level of township and school board rather than design a system that appoints local governors and police chiefs from Baghdad and Kabul. In other words, let the locals directly prescribe how much corruption they can accept to gain some order in their lives. You know, the way we do things in the U S.
I propose we start this new approach by encouraging true American-style government in Iran. Recognize a government in exile and give appropriate aid. After overthrow of the mullahs encourage a federal system in New Iran, featuring elected officials from the lowest to the highest levels of governance.
Begin with the grassroots, in other words, and depend on the people themselves to look after the higher levels rather than our attempting to set up some euro-style form of rule from the top.
Oh, and ignore the whining of William "Frenchie" Pfaff.
Alan Brooks| 9.5.10 @ 9:24PM
"let the locals directly prescribe how much corruption they can accept to gain some order in their lives. You know, the way we do things in the U S."
Now there is a good point. Nor is corruption lacking in France.
David March| 9.3.10 @ 3:30PM
Yeah western democracy was not sucessfully exported to Afghanistan, when they decided to kill a former Muslim who converted to Christianity. Thats when they completely lost me.
martin j smith| 9.3.10 @ 5:01PM
It is possible that at least one reason why Pfaff is not viewed with much confidence is because in addition to the radical Islamic threat which most Americans are concerned about, we have Russuia and China and their various client states. Many of these client statetes do present dangers regionally in far the far and middle east--Iran and North Korea. Then you have Hugo Chavez in South America and other wanna beez. I think the isssue is that there are too many loose cannons any one of which can lead to a trigger even. The "world" may not be sold on "Democracy" but we do not have to be sold on tryrrany. My motto would be: speak reasonably, but carry a big stick.
nekoxgirl| 9.3.10 @ 7:01PM
American's fate was pretty much sealed when Woodrow Wilson got elected President. Not only did he send the United States down the path of "making the world safe for democracy" he also brought us the Federal Reserve to fund this foolishness.
Now we stand at the precipice of the fall of the Republic and the beginning of a new world order that, if it has its way, will bring back the very system of governance that we rebelled against and nearly destroyed in the late 1700's.
Mimi| 9.3.10 @ 7:45PM
For what it is worth...My opinion is..
In the heart of ALL men by his very nature..He yearns to be FREE. It will always be the best to strive for democracy. The U.S.A. was born on that principle. The French desired its people to know its fruits.... and over a century ago,
presented our free people with the statue of LIBERTY. We have helped many thru the years
obtain democracy at great sacrifice to our sons and daughters. All over the EARTH it will always be or strivings to be FREE!!!
J.C.Eaton| 9.3.10 @ 10:10PM
Mimi, you may be right that liberty breathes in the hearts of most folks throughout the world, and you are surely correct that many are free because of our military's exertions[I don't equate "democracy' with freedom necessarily, after all, an illustration of purest democracy is a lynch-mob] but having said that, I do not believe we have a moral imperative to "free ' everyone who desires the condition. If there ever was a time we could afford to do that, that time is past.
Mimi| 9.4.10 @ 3:59PM
J.C....Right now we are fighting tooth and nail for our own LIBERTY. The time of wars... on the earth hopfully will be replaced by technology in communications to spread the message to all who dwell in bondage. For the here and now for us we must be our own guardians and reverse our own SHIP!
cats1cowboy| 9.4.10 @ 6:50AM
The United States was founded as a democratic Republic, not a democracy. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to eat for dinner.
PCP Smoker| 9.4.10 @ 9:35AM
"Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Pol Pot's genocide, Iran's theocracy, and of course Iraq and Afghanistan."
So, if the US had not intervened in southeast Asia, despite being a member of SEATO, the communist would not have murdered and starved its victims?
Were Pol Pot's action the result of US intervention in SE Asia or the result of a lack of intervention?
Then again, why decry the "tragedy" of Pol Pot's, or any other communist regime, when one advocates isolationism?
The lack of US involvement in Afghanistan led to regime of the Taliban. They became a heaven for Al Queda, which led to 9/11. To shut one's eyes to this reality, is to shut one's eyes to the reality that bad guys are always on the attack. Follow this policy and be prepared for more 9/11s
Tim*| 9.4.10 @ 2:33PM
United States National Interests are not necessarily served by using our warriors as cannon fodder to repeatedly force feed elements of Democracy around the Globe .
While completed Afghanistan & Iraq military actions can be discussed , any further attempts to use Our Warriors in other foreign nations needs to be debated .
ubu roi| 9.4.10 @ 2:42PM
I'm with PCP Smoker, I see nothing to suggest, that had the US remained out of southeast Asia, that the murder, rapine and bloody aggression of communist tyrants would have somehow been otherwise--it would have been far worse, and probably would have spread further and with a much larger overall toll of life and property.
That the US refused to address the brutal intent of both Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan until the contagion was at our doorstep was a profound failure of action and nerve--both should have been confronted with military power years earlier, and with the resolve to defeat both, not merely contain them. I see nothing in Pfaff that suggests he would have advocated such action.
I'm with Pfaff on the limits of democracy, and all ears when it comes to cold-eyed realism, but my realism comes from Hobbes and Machiavelli, and doesn't have all the hand-wringing, unilateral moral baggage he carries around on his sleeve.
unseen| 9.5.10 @ 11:20AM
This is what passes for mainstream thought?
I see Pfaff "forgets" about Germany and Japan and South Korea where American "type" of government was exported and has worked well enough for generations.
Even the manifest destiny itself shows that exporting the idea of American style democracy works. We exported the founders vision across an entire continent. Once placed that type of government has functioned well for 100 years in all climates, all cultures and all lands where it has been tried.
The fact of the matter is that liberal multicultulism in the 70's and beyond made Leaders in America stop exporting American ideas and instead tried to twist deomcracy into present types of cultures and governments.
Afgan and Iraq we allowed them to form their own type of government neither are based on US style limited gov.
The reason US gov works is because it limits governmental power, splits power between branches and local governments (federalism) andgives the individual freedom. Without those key aspects of our government simply giving people a vote is not going to work.
the sad fact is our present leaders do not understand our government, do not understand why it works and no longer thinks our type of government is the greatest designed by man. In fact the prsent POTUS wants to transform that type of government into something else.
Why would he or bush export something they do not like very and do not agree with fully.
Bob K.| 9.5.10 @ 8:47PM
If you are going to read this book you might as well also buy and read John Lukacs' "DEMOCRACY AND POPULISM -- Fear and Hatred." ISBN 0-300-11693-4 Yale Univ. Press 2005. 248pp
Here is a couple of quotes from it to give you something to think about. Quote from page 5 while discussing Toqueville: "Is democracy the rule of the people, or, more precisely: rule by the people? No: because it is, really and actually, rule in the name of the people."
Another quote on page 15: "Any history of modern democracy (which, I again insist, is not at all identical with any history of "liberty").........."
Page 27: "Democracy, and popular sovereignty, had become sacrosanct American principle and political reality, latest by the 1820s; and so they are today."
PCC| 9.6.10 @ 7:09AM
We should export manufactured goods, business and financial services, software, music and films, even political ideas.
Let's stop exporting our troops.
Pete Brown| 9.6.10 @ 11:32AM
Why does the link from the front page have a picture of Fred Barnes?