A funny thing happened on the way to political paradise.
"I pass the test that says a man who isn't a socialist at
twenty has no heart, and a man who is a socialist at forty has no
head." -- William Casey, Director of the Central
Intelligence Agency, 1981-1987
The
sentiments of President Reagan's man at the CIA have been
previously uttered by the likes of Disraeli, Clemenceau, and
Churchill. The ages of the young men varied as did whether the
young men in question were socialists or liberals. But the one
thing that remained constant is that if they remained socialists or
liberals as older men they were doomed to a life of
naïveté.
In my own case, I signed up as a card-carrying member of
the socialist Ontario New Democratic Party (NDP) in March 1988 at
the age of 15 while growing up in Thunder Bay. Although my mother
had been active in the NDP for many years, joining the party was
entirely my idea. I joined shortly after my tenth-grade history
class had partaken in a Model Parliament where I became, by
default, leader of the NDP. Subsequently, I would join the Port
Arthur NDP provincial riding association as its youth
representative.
Let's jump forward to the summer of the 1990. In late
July, Ontario Premier David Peterson called a snap election set for
September 6. Peterson's Liberal Party had won 95 out of 130 seats
in the Ontario legislature less than three years earlier. Legally,
Peterson did not need to call an election for another two years.
(Elections in Ontario are now held the first Thursday in October
every four years. Ontarians are due
to vote on October 6, 2011). However, Peterson was popular and
Liberal re-election appeared certain.
But a funny thing happened on the way to that Liberal
re-election. Voters in Canada's largest province didn't like having
their summer respite so rudely interrupted and they took that anger
out on Peterson and the Liberals. Under normal circumstances
Ontario voters would have turned to the Progressive Conservatives.
After all, before electing Peterson in 1985, the Tories had
governed Ontario for 42 years earning the nickname "The Big Blue
Machine." But Brian Mulroney was leading such an extremely
unpopular Tory government in Ottawa that a mere three years later
they would be reduced to two seats in the House of
Commons.
So voters did the unthinkable and elected 74 New Democrats
to Queen's Park, making Ontario NDP leader Bob Rae the new Premier
of Ontario. Among the group of 74 elected that night was Shelley
Wark-Martyn, a 27-year-old registered nurse with no previous
electoral experience. Not only was Wark-Martyn suddenly
representing the people of Port Arthur, Rae would appoint her to
his cabinet as Minister of Revenue. Among those who had helped
elect Wark-Martyn was a 17-year-old high school student who had
just grown his first beard. I did everything possible during that
campaign to ensure an NDP victory except to vote, as the election
took place ten days before my 18th birthday.
For those unfamiliar with Canadian politics, the idea that
the people of Ontario would ever elect an NDP government was about
as likely to happen as, say, the people of the Commonwealth of
Massachusetts electing a Republican to succeed Ted Kennedy.
Needless to say, I along with NDP activists all over Canada became
euphoric. A new day had come to Ontario. A socialist paradise was
within reach.
But a funny thing happened on the way to that socialist
paradise. Call it having to live in the real world. What seemed so
easy in opposition suddenly became complicated in power. Things
were complicated by a very deep recession. That recession would
become further complicated when Rae's Minister of Finance, Floyd
Laughren, introduced a provincial budget in the spring of 1991 with
a deficit of $9.7 billion,
earning Laughren the nickname "Pink Floyd." Not surprisingly,
Ontario's business community was not amused. Conrad Black would
describe
Rae as a "millionaire-baiting, anti-corporate agitator." For Rae's
part, he often
described Ontario's economic situation as "theworst recession since the 1930s." Is this beginning to sound
familiar?t;/span>
The NDP government also managed to alienate its allies,
including its core support amongst trade unions. First, it
backed off implementing public automobile insurance, a program
that had been implemented by NDP governments in Saskatchewan,
Manitoba and British Columbia. Later, it would open up and
unilaterally rewrite public sector collective bargaining
agreements. Taking his cue from Rousseau, Rae called it the "Social
Contract." Although it would save public sector jobs, among its
most unpopular features was the new regulation requiring unpaid
days of leave which would become known derisively as "Rae
Days." I can remember when Rae was booed when he took the floor
of the 1994 Ontario NDP Convention in Hamilton.
The following spring, the Ontario electorate
unceremoniously tossed out the NDP in favor of Mike Harris and the
Progressive Conservatives (with Wark-Martyn one of the casualties.)
The Tories would be re-elected in 1999 before the Liberals were
returned to power in 2003 under Dalton McGuinty where they remain
to this day. The Ontario NDP has never come close to replicating
its triumph of twenty years ago.
I would not disavow the NDP until after the events of
September 11, 2001. But the seed of doubt was surely planted in me
while the NDP ruled Ontario. No doubt it was planted in Rae who has
himself moved rightward (somewhat) and is now a Liberal MP (Member
of Parliament). Whether President Obama, who has alienated both
adversary and ally alike, will be out after one term remains to be
seen. But I have no doubt that a seed of doubt has been planted in
many a young man who at 17 helped to elect President Obama. The
only question now is when that seed will germinate.
About the Author
Aaron Goldstein writes from Boston, Massachusetts.
I am of the opinion that a Kennedy (as in JFK) Democrat is to
the right of John McCain.
Jack Bauer| 9.1.10 @ 3:40PM
m -- I think the historical record would prove that point. JFK
would have had the likes of Obama under 24/7 FBI observation.
Alan Brooks| 9.1.10 @ 4:26PM
Cuts both ways:
a man who isn't a libertopian at twenty has no heart, and a man who
is a libertopian at forty has no head.
S.L. Toddard| 9.1.10 @ 8:47AM
Is it any wonder that a movement and party dominated by "former"
Marxist "conservatives" embraces the legacy of FDR at home and of
Wilson and LBJ abroad?
Sheila| 9.1.10 @ 11:10AM
You nailed it, Toddard. Movement conservatives and
rah-rah-Republicans are all about building democracy abroad (mostly
supported by neocons who are, in large part, Jews like Aaron
Goldstein who were "awakened" because 9/11 was a Muslim action, not
so much because it was an anti-American action) and expanding
government a little more slowly than the Democracts (compassionate
conservatism) at home. In short, they're neither sane nor
conservative, and none of them truly pass the author's "test"
quote. But hey, Aaron tells us he's now seen the light - and he's
conservative just like the Log Cabin Republicans are conservative,
and we need a big tent, and Peter Ferrara tells us 70% of Americans
believe in smaller government (who are you going to believe, my
cherry-picked statistics or your own lying eyes?) and they can all
see November and we're in the best of all possible worlds. Decline
and fall.
Alan Brooks| 9.1.10 @ 5:10PM
You two are isolationists.
Alan Brooks| 9.1.10 @ 6:34PM
Interventionism is sometimes correct: the war with N. Korea (and
the armed truce with them to this day) is ethically right.
No one trusted Kim Il Sung, and no one trusts his son-- for good
reason; he is better at collecting porn than running a state.
Occam's Tool| 9.1.10 @ 7:47PM
Sorry, SL and Sheila, but this Conservative and Hawk was a
Republican and Yafer and voted for Reagan at age 18. Oh, and I'm
Jewish, too, you worthless Paleoconservative Gonifs.
Occam's Tool| 9.1.10 @ 7:51PM
And I'm opposed to Islamofascism, too, Sheila and SL. Maybe it's
because I know about the Reconquista, Lepanto, and Vienna.
Islamofascist emnity towards the West began far before Israel,
gang, and the US's first tangles with them began FAR before Israel
was a twinkle in Herzl's eye (hint: Review the Marine Hymn,
dipsticks).
JmsA| 9.1.10 @ 9:21PM
Occam's Tool,
Hear, hear! Nothing like a bit of historical perspective.
Alan Brooks| 9.1.10 @ 10:28PM
Isolationalism will make sense when:
a) no WMDs exist
or
b) nationalism no longer exists.
Probably both. Now, Toddard is educated; ask him when a or b or
ab will be the case.
Alan Brooks| 9.1.10 @ 10:35PM
Know I shouldn't double-post, but this is IMO extremely
important:
one of the reasons we in 1942 went after Hitler first and Tojo
second was because Hitler would have used an A-Bomb without
hesitation.
I don't know if yellow-cake uranium in Africa was a ploy by Bush,
but if it wasn't, then taking out Saddam made sense in '03.
Again, remove WMDs from the equation and isolationism does make
more sense.
Margie| 9.3.10 @ 11:07PM
Figures "Sheila" would agree with the likes of Snottard. Do they
ever have anything good to say about America?
Walter| 9.1.10 @ 9:38AM
I, too, had to live through the time of the NDP government in
Ontario. When the Harris Conservatives were elected in '95 it was
like waking up from a nightmare.
I also remember a socialist by the name of Rae,. I worked at a
nuclear power plant with 65 guys working for me on operations.There
was a guy living close by who was "on disability", he was taking
home more money than I was because high earners were taxed so high.
I have lived to curse socialists ever since.
Mike Rogers| 9.1.10 @ 9:47AM
Hillary was a Goldwater Girl growing up and became socialist
later - does that make her unwise, or just cynical?
Patrick| 9.1.10 @ 2:26PM
Both heartless and brainless I suppose.
Alan Brooks| 9.1.10 @ 5:17PM
But a winner, that's all that counts.
The scoreboard.
Tim*| 9.2.10 @ 5:58AM
"But a winner, that's all that counts.
The scoreboard."
See ya on November 2nd , ObamaBoy .
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates .
Rise Up !
Mike Rogers| 9.1.10 @ 9:47AM
Hillary was a Goldwater Girl growing up and became socialist
later - does that make her unwise, or just cynical?
froglegs| 9.1.10 @ 10:39AM
My memories from that time are that the "Goldwater Girls" in my
classes, and they were all female, were the class elites. I hated
them! My highschool in 1960 had voted 75/25 Nixon over Kennedy in
the student mock election. I'll bet most of them too became
liberals in their college days.
Purple Lips| 9.1.10 @ 10:58AM
Hillary Rodham Clinton was a Goldwater Girl.
Paevo| 9.1.10 @ 10:24AM
It makes her an eternally shrill, rebelling adolescent...
dw| 9.1.10 @ 11:21AM
It's all about the damage done while the altruist among us
mature. There is an inherent degree of laziness and wishful
thinking engendered within that mindset that indicates a
willfulness to let others plow the road ahead for them.
Part of it is due to government sponsored teachers who spew liberal
leaning drivel.
Vern Crisler| 9.1.10 @ 11:36AM
When did it ever become true that "a man who isn't a socialist
at twenty has no heart, and a man who is a socialist at forty has
no head"?
I would say anyone who is a socialist at whatever age has
neither a heart nor a head.
They think they have a heart at 20, but in reality it is a
sanctimonious heart. It's easy to have a heart with other people's
money.
Hobbz| 9.1.10 @ 1:07PM
Mr. Nail Head, meet Mr. Crisler. Great post.
James MacBeagle| 9.1.10 @ 2:20PM
Amen to that. I was never a socialist. All the "logic" used in
arguing for socialism, always struck me as being faulty though, as
a young man, I could rarely place my finger on exactly why.
As I began to pay more attention to politics, I gradually became
much better able to see precisely where the problem lay.
Appleby| 9.1.10 @ 3:24PM
I have been a conservative from my cradle. Just born with good
sense, I suppose.
Jeremiah| 9.1.10 @ 7:45PM
I spent some time at a commune in Connecticut. I made fun of the
liberal revolutionary nonsense my friends spouted. I made no bones
about the fact I was in it for the sex and booze and rock &
roll, but wasn't about to start spouting ignorant nonsense as the
price of admission to this hippie playground.
I was tolerated as a kook or a truly rare and exotic breed, a
legitimately conservative flower-child. Sometimes, in the quiet of
the evening, someone would quietly agree with me - usually the
girls, but excused themselves by saying we had to grow up some time
and this was all part of the fun of being young.
I suppose it was. Mainly we just traipsed around the woods
surrounding the house and trailers we occupied, drinking large
quantities of malt beverages and trying to make a dent in a full
barrel of hickory nuts we had in the living room. They were good
times. I doubt we sired any actual revolutionaries and I somehow
suspect that if I was ever re-united with the old gang, they would
all now be tea partiers. So maybe we did spawn some real
revolutionaries - but not the type the good leftists in charge of
the campuses were counting on.
scotchieguy| 9.2.10 @ 1:44AM
Good take. My theory has always been this--the libs running
things in gov't were not radicals in the true sense back in the
60's, but rather intellectual dorks. The real radicals went to
Woodstock cuz it was cool, went through three days of rain, mud, no
food, no sanitation, and basic hell, and said " to hell w/ this,
maybe my parents were right all along," and became the productive,
prosperous yuppies. They are conservative now, and the libs are the
dorky, fruity brainiacs that now run things. Case in point--Amy
Klobuchar--she was valedictorian of my class, and now is an utter
bore in the U.S. Senate.
Bill| 9.2.10 @ 3:56PM
I don't know when you lived in your commune, but when I was a
conservative of the libertarian stripe living in a commune in the
1960s, there were a lot of us. I always got a kick out of the
"revolutionaries:" they were uniformly in favor of gun control and
they had to make a visible effort to hold a gun. If you loaded it,
and they could bring themselves to hold it, it looked like they
were holding a skunk.
Bill| 9.2.10 @ 5:00PM
One of the things that made being a freak in the 1960s palatable
to the maturing mind was the certain knowledge that it was only
going to last for a very short time.
For a contemporary taste of freakdom that rings true, read the
mystery story The Likeness by Tana French, or listen to the song
"Bob Dylan's Dream."
J@w.com| 9.1.10 @ 6:29PM
Born that way?
Richardson was right about Bush 41, he WAS born with a silver foot
in his mouth.
Big Leo| 9.1.10 @ 7:20PM
I was a twenty year old socialist. My father bought me a tour of
the Soviet Union where I even got to meet Gus Hall. He put his arm
around my shoulder and called me the future of America. I have been
a Republican ever since.
BackToBasics| 9.1.10 @ 7:20PM
How conservative or socialist can a person be at 17? Probably
one in a thousand knows enough at that age to be able to strongly
back up their position. Some would argue that most people who are
50 cannot yet back up their political convictions with good
discussion and arguments.
Too bad they lowered the voting age to 18 about 40 years ago. I
know the arguments for doing so but I still think it's too bad they
could not have raised it to 25 instead.
I remember just after the Bush-Gore election battle and some
Democrats were openly discussing lowering the voting age to 16 and
a few even spoke of giving a half vote to 14-16 year olds. That
speaks volumes about what Democrats think of well-informed voters.
They could not care less and I think the less informed voters are
the more Democrats like it.
And Some Republican politicians are also not too far behind in
this area either regarding liking poorly-informed voters. Bush sure
fooled a lot of people when he ran. Evangelicals have got to stop
believing every Republican who calls himself a strong Christian
believer as Bush did. Look at the issues and what they stand for,
not how much they claim to pray. I'd be more impressed if they said
they read their Bible a lot and could quote a few key verses to
back up their positions. Protecting your borders and not spending
debt money that can never be properly repaid are 2 principles that
can be found in the Bible, mostly in the Old Testament in
Deuteronomy, Leviticus and Numbers. I knowingly voted for Bush 2
times figuring he was the lesser of 2 evils. But I did not do so
for McCain and I will not vote for another RINO again, including
Huckabee and possibly Palin. Although, I see a few signs that she
is moving a little more in a conservative direction. I'll wait and
see what platform she will eventually develop and seriously
protecting our borders will be a key issue for me to watch
regarding her. So far she is too much like Bush on this one. I will
also see if she grows into her leadership role in the sense that
she is more knowledgeable and articulate. So far her thoughts are
all over the place. Sometimes this is a sign of an active mind but
lacking some discipline. Sometimes it is a sign that a person is in
over their head. I will want to see if she can grow into her
leadership role in a better and greater way.
On the other hand, Huckabee is a smooth talker but I do not
trust him. I think he 's a wolf in sheep's clothing. I've had
dealings with evangelical pastors who were really wolves. Huckabee
is VERY Republican Establishment. At least I think Palin is a
sincere Christian.
Protecting our borders is not the only issue but it is a good
litmus test for the candidates to see how conservative they really
are. Bush failed it even before the 2000 election. One of his first
major thrusts was discussing an amnesty program in 2001 with
Vicente Fox, president of Mexico. 9/11 stopped Bush from trying to
implement his plan early on. So far Palin fails the litmus test for
me too - So Far.
james wilson| 9.1.10 @ 10:24PM
The man who is not utoptian at twenty is not full of himself.
The man who is utopian at forty has arrested development.
Johnny Knuckles| 9.1.10 @ 11:14PM
A man who isn't a socialist at 20 is just paying attention.
TeddyIsDeady| 9.1.10 @ 11:59PM
Sheila & SL are just mad because after November 2 there will
be some people giving speeches who actually WON'T be providing 2
minutes of stand-up comedy WHEN THEIR TELEPROMPTER QUITS, like we
get now when that Inexperienced Chicago PUNK in the whitehouse has
"technical difficulties" with HIS teleprompter. REMEMBER IN
NOVEMBER, folks
Laine| 9.2.10 @ 1:57AM
"even spoke of giving a half vote to 14-16 year olds. That
speaks volumes about what Democrats think of well-informed voters.
They could not care less and I think the less informed voters are
the more Democrats like it".
They also prefer voters with no skin in the game i.e. those who
don't pay taxes and the very young fill that bill too. They just
seque from an allowance from their parents to an allowance from the
state (that being either handouts or what they're allowed to keep
from their earnings).
BackToBasics| 9.2.10 @ 6:45PM
Yes, becoming state wards is certainly a sign of immaturity. So
many do not want to grow up anymore. Yet, I think because of this
and the myriad problems it causes, hard times will come soon enough
and force many to grow up rather quickly.
Marc Jeric| 9.2.10 @ 2:08AM
I was 12 when the communist came to power, and 24 when I escaped
from that hell. So I had no time to become socialist before turning
into a conservative type. My final cure happened under Carter -
that blabbering nincompoop who kissed Brezhnev 3 times on the
cheeks. Then came a series of functional morons - Mondale, Dukakis,
Kerry, Gore, Biden; and the final coup performed by Abu Hussein
al-Mombassa (or wherever in Kenya that marxist Muslim was born.
Upon my arrival here in 1962 I heard my coworkers talk about how
great president Roosevelt was; and I wondered how they did not know
or did not care that Roosevelt sold into the Soviet slavery a large
number of countries - Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland,
Chechoslovakia, Hungary, Rumania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Albania,
North Korea - not to mention East Germany. Only Churchill saved
Greece from the same sorry end.
Even with this background I still cast my first votes as American
citizen for Humphrey and for Brown in California - imagine!
jd| 9.2.10 @ 11:07AM
Alan Brooks is just jealous of Kim Jong Il's porn collection
Michele San Pietro| 9.2.10 @ 5:51PM
It sound as though it's compulsory to have been a communist
during one's youth... I find this absolutely hogwash. Thank God, I
was born a pro-America right-winger, and I will die a pro-America
right-winger.
Ken| 9.4.10 @ 10:45AM
"I pass the test that says a man who isn't a socialist at twenty
has no heart, and a man who is a socialist at forty has no
head."
-- William Casey, Director of the Central Intelligence Agency,
1981-1987
Tyrants from mass-murdering terrorist organizations like the CIA
have absolutely no moral authority with me.
Right-wingers slander everyone to the left of them as
"socialists." Liberals slander everyone to the right of them as
"fascists." The world would be better without both.
P. Aaron| 9.1.10 @ 8:38AM
I was raised a Kennedy Democrat.
I got better.
moron| 9.1.10 @ 10:51AM
I am of the opinion that a Kennedy (as in JFK) Democrat is to the right of John McCain.
Jack Bauer| 9.1.10 @ 3:40PM
m -- I think the historical record would prove that point. JFK would have had the likes of Obama under 24/7 FBI observation.
Alan Brooks| 9.1.10 @ 4:26PM
Cuts both ways:
a man who isn't a libertopian at twenty has no heart, and a man who is a libertopian at forty has no head.
S.L. Toddard| 9.1.10 @ 8:47AM
Is it any wonder that a movement and party dominated by "former" Marxist "conservatives" embraces the legacy of FDR at home and of Wilson and LBJ abroad?
Sheila| 9.1.10 @ 11:10AM
You nailed it, Toddard. Movement conservatives and rah-rah-Republicans are all about building democracy abroad (mostly supported by neocons who are, in large part, Jews like Aaron Goldstein who were "awakened" because 9/11 was a Muslim action, not so much because it was an anti-American action) and expanding government a little more slowly than the Democracts (compassionate conservatism) at home. In short, they're neither sane nor conservative, and none of them truly pass the author's "test" quote. But hey, Aaron tells us he's now seen the light - and he's conservative just like the Log Cabin Republicans are conservative, and we need a big tent, and Peter Ferrara tells us 70% of Americans believe in smaller government (who are you going to believe, my cherry-picked statistics or your own lying eyes?) and they can all see November and we're in the best of all possible worlds. Decline and fall.
Alan Brooks| 9.1.10 @ 5:10PM
You two are isolationists.
Alan Brooks| 9.1.10 @ 6:34PM
Interventionism is sometimes correct: the war with N. Korea (and the armed truce with them to this day) is ethically right.
No one trusted Kim Il Sung, and no one trusts his son-- for good reason; he is better at collecting porn than running a state.
Occam's Tool| 9.1.10 @ 7:47PM
Sorry, SL and Sheila, but this Conservative and Hawk was a Republican and Yafer and voted for Reagan at age 18. Oh, and I'm Jewish, too, you worthless Paleoconservative Gonifs.
Occam's Tool| 9.1.10 @ 7:51PM
And I'm opposed to Islamofascism, too, Sheila and SL. Maybe it's because I know about the Reconquista, Lepanto, and Vienna. Islamofascist emnity towards the West began far before Israel, gang, and the US's first tangles with them began FAR before Israel was a twinkle in Herzl's eye (hint: Review the Marine Hymn, dipsticks).
JmsA| 9.1.10 @ 9:21PM
Occam's Tool,
Hear, hear! Nothing like a bit of historical perspective.
Alan Brooks| 9.1.10 @ 10:28PM
Isolationalism will make sense when:
a) no WMDs exist
or
b) nationalism no longer exists.
Probably both. Now, Toddard is educated; ask him when a or b or ab will be the case.
Alan Brooks| 9.1.10 @ 10:35PM
Know I shouldn't double-post, but this is IMO extremely important:
one of the reasons we in 1942 went after Hitler first and Tojo second was because Hitler would have used an A-Bomb without hesitation.
I don't know if yellow-cake uranium in Africa was a ploy by Bush, but if it wasn't, then taking out Saddam made sense in '03.
Again, remove WMDs from the equation and isolationism does make more sense.
Margie| 9.3.10 @ 11:07PM
Figures "Sheila" would agree with the likes of Snottard. Do they ever have anything good to say about America?
Walter| 9.1.10 @ 9:38AM
I, too, had to live through the time of the NDP government in Ontario. When the Harris Conservatives were elected in '95 it was like waking up from a nightmare.
Ezra Crewe| 9.1.10 @ 11:22PM
I also remember a socialist by the name of Rae,. I worked at a nuclear power plant with 65 guys working for me on operations.There was a guy living close by who was "on disability", he was taking home more money than I was because high earners were taxed so high. I have lived to curse socialists ever since.
Mike Rogers| 9.1.10 @ 9:47AM
Hillary was a Goldwater Girl growing up and became socialist later - does that make her unwise, or just cynical?
Patrick| 9.1.10 @ 2:26PM
Both heartless and brainless I suppose.
Alan Brooks| 9.1.10 @ 5:17PM
But a winner, that's all that counts.
The scoreboard.
Tim*| 9.2.10 @ 5:58AM
"But a winner, that's all that counts.
The scoreboard."
See ya on November 2nd , ObamaBoy .
The Tea Party Rebellion Escalates .
Rise Up !
Mike Rogers| 9.1.10 @ 9:47AM
Hillary was a Goldwater Girl growing up and became socialist later - does that make her unwise, or just cynical?
froglegs| 9.1.10 @ 10:39AM
My memories from that time are that the "Goldwater Girls" in my classes, and they were all female, were the class elites. I hated them! My highschool in 1960 had voted 75/25 Nixon over Kennedy in the student mock election. I'll bet most of them too became liberals in their college days.
Purple Lips| 9.1.10 @ 10:58AM
Hillary Rodham Clinton was a Goldwater Girl.
Paevo| 9.1.10 @ 10:24AM
It makes her an eternally shrill, rebelling adolescent...
dw| 9.1.10 @ 11:21AM
It's all about the damage done while the altruist among us mature. There is an inherent degree of laziness and wishful thinking engendered within that mindset that indicates a willfulness to let others plow the road ahead for them.
Part of it is due to government sponsored teachers who spew liberal leaning drivel.
Vern Crisler| 9.1.10 @ 11:36AM
When did it ever become true that "a man who isn't a socialist at twenty has no heart, and a man who is a socialist at forty has no head"?
I would say anyone who is a socialist at whatever age has neither a heart nor a head.
They think they have a heart at 20, but in reality it is a sanctimonious heart. It's easy to have a heart with other people's money.
Hobbz| 9.1.10 @ 1:07PM
Mr. Nail Head, meet Mr. Crisler. Great post.
James MacBeagle| 9.1.10 @ 2:20PM
Amen to that. I was never a socialist. All the "logic" used in arguing for socialism, always struck me as being faulty though, as a young man, I could rarely place my finger on exactly why.
As I began to pay more attention to politics, I gradually became much better able to see precisely where the problem lay.
Appleby| 9.1.10 @ 3:24PM
I have been a conservative from my cradle. Just born with good sense, I suppose.
Jeremiah| 9.1.10 @ 7:45PM
I spent some time at a commune in Connecticut. I made fun of the liberal revolutionary nonsense my friends spouted. I made no bones about the fact I was in it for the sex and booze and rock & roll, but wasn't about to start spouting ignorant nonsense as the price of admission to this hippie playground.
I was tolerated as a kook or a truly rare and exotic breed, a legitimately conservative flower-child. Sometimes, in the quiet of the evening, someone would quietly agree with me - usually the girls, but excused themselves by saying we had to grow up some time and this was all part of the fun of being young.
I suppose it was. Mainly we just traipsed around the woods surrounding the house and trailers we occupied, drinking large quantities of malt beverages and trying to make a dent in a full barrel of hickory nuts we had in the living room. They were good times. I doubt we sired any actual revolutionaries and I somehow suspect that if I was ever re-united with the old gang, they would all now be tea partiers. So maybe we did spawn some real revolutionaries - but not the type the good leftists in charge of the campuses were counting on.
scotchieguy| 9.2.10 @ 1:44AM
Good take. My theory has always been this--the libs running things in gov't were not radicals in the true sense back in the 60's, but rather intellectual dorks. The real radicals went to Woodstock cuz it was cool, went through three days of rain, mud, no food, no sanitation, and basic hell, and said " to hell w/ this, maybe my parents were right all along," and became the productive, prosperous yuppies. They are conservative now, and the libs are the dorky, fruity brainiacs that now run things. Case in point--Amy Klobuchar--she was valedictorian of my class, and now is an utter bore in the U.S. Senate.
Bill| 9.2.10 @ 3:56PM
I don't know when you lived in your commune, but when I was a conservative of the libertarian stripe living in a commune in the 1960s, there were a lot of us. I always got a kick out of the "revolutionaries:" they were uniformly in favor of gun control and they had to make a visible effort to hold a gun. If you loaded it, and they could bring themselves to hold it, it looked like they were holding a skunk.
Bill| 9.2.10 @ 5:00PM
One of the things that made being a freak in the 1960s palatable to the maturing mind was the certain knowledge that it was only going to last for a very short time.
For a contemporary taste of freakdom that rings true, read the mystery story The Likeness by Tana French, or listen to the song "Bob Dylan's Dream."
J@w.com| 9.1.10 @ 6:29PM
Born that way?
Richardson was right about Bush 41, he WAS born with a silver foot in his mouth.
Big Leo| 9.1.10 @ 7:20PM
I was a twenty year old socialist. My father bought me a tour of the Soviet Union where I even got to meet Gus Hall. He put his arm around my shoulder and called me the future of America. I have been a Republican ever since.
BackToBasics| 9.1.10 @ 7:20PM
How conservative or socialist can a person be at 17? Probably one in a thousand knows enough at that age to be able to strongly back up their position. Some would argue that most people who are 50 cannot yet back up their political convictions with good discussion and arguments.
Too bad they lowered the voting age to 18 about 40 years ago. I know the arguments for doing so but I still think it's too bad they could not have raised it to 25 instead.
I remember just after the Bush-Gore election battle and some Democrats were openly discussing lowering the voting age to 16 and a few even spoke of giving a half vote to 14-16 year olds. That speaks volumes about what Democrats think of well-informed voters. They could not care less and I think the less informed voters are the more Democrats like it.
And Some Republican politicians are also not too far behind in this area either regarding liking poorly-informed voters. Bush sure fooled a lot of people when he ran. Evangelicals have got to stop believing every Republican who calls himself a strong Christian believer as Bush did. Look at the issues and what they stand for, not how much they claim to pray. I'd be more impressed if they said they read their Bible a lot and could quote a few key verses to back up their positions. Protecting your borders and not spending debt money that can never be properly repaid are 2 principles that can be found in the Bible, mostly in the Old Testament in Deuteronomy, Leviticus and Numbers. I knowingly voted for Bush 2 times figuring he was the lesser of 2 evils. But I did not do so for McCain and I will not vote for another RINO again, including Huckabee and possibly Palin. Although, I see a few signs that she is moving a little more in a conservative direction. I'll wait and see what platform she will eventually develop and seriously protecting our borders will be a key issue for me to watch regarding her. So far she is too much like Bush on this one. I will also see if she grows into her leadership role in the sense that she is more knowledgeable and articulate. So far her thoughts are all over the place. Sometimes this is a sign of an active mind but lacking some discipline. Sometimes it is a sign that a person is in over their head. I will want to see if she can grow into her leadership role in a better and greater way.
On the other hand, Huckabee is a smooth talker but I do not trust him. I think he 's a wolf in sheep's clothing. I've had dealings with evangelical pastors who were really wolves. Huckabee is VERY Republican Establishment. At least I think Palin is a sincere Christian.
Protecting our borders is not the only issue but it is a good litmus test for the candidates to see how conservative they really are. Bush failed it even before the 2000 election. One of his first major thrusts was discussing an amnesty program in 2001 with Vicente Fox, president of Mexico. 9/11 stopped Bush from trying to implement his plan early on. So far Palin fails the litmus test for me too - So Far.
james wilson| 9.1.10 @ 10:24PM
The man who is not utoptian at twenty is not full of himself. The man who is utopian at forty has arrested development.
Johnny Knuckles| 9.1.10 @ 11:14PM
A man who isn't a socialist at 20 is just paying attention.
TeddyIsDeady| 9.1.10 @ 11:59PM
Sheila & SL are just mad because after November 2 there will be some people giving speeches who actually WON'T be providing 2 minutes of stand-up comedy WHEN THEIR TELEPROMPTER QUITS, like we get now when that Inexperienced Chicago PUNK in the whitehouse has "technical difficulties" with HIS teleprompter. REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER, folks
Laine| 9.2.10 @ 1:57AM
"even spoke of giving a half vote to 14-16 year olds. That speaks volumes about what Democrats think of well-informed voters. They could not care less and I think the less informed voters are the more Democrats like it".
They also prefer voters with no skin in the game i.e. those who don't pay taxes and the very young fill that bill too. They just seque from an allowance from their parents to an allowance from the state (that being either handouts or what they're allowed to keep from their earnings).
BackToBasics| 9.2.10 @ 6:45PM
Yes, becoming state wards is certainly a sign of immaturity. So many do not want to grow up anymore. Yet, I think because of this and the myriad problems it causes, hard times will come soon enough and force many to grow up rather quickly.
Marc Jeric| 9.2.10 @ 2:08AM
I was 12 when the communist came to power, and 24 when I escaped from that hell. So I had no time to become socialist before turning into a conservative type. My final cure happened under Carter - that blabbering nincompoop who kissed Brezhnev 3 times on the cheeks. Then came a series of functional morons - Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry, Gore, Biden; and the final coup performed by Abu Hussein al-Mombassa (or wherever in Kenya that marxist Muslim was born. Upon my arrival here in 1962 I heard my coworkers talk about how great president Roosevelt was; and I wondered how they did not know or did not care that Roosevelt sold into the Soviet slavery a large number of countries - Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Chechoslovakia, Hungary, Rumania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Albania, North Korea - not to mention East Germany. Only Churchill saved Greece from the same sorry end.
Even with this background I still cast my first votes as American citizen for Humphrey and for Brown in California - imagine!
jd| 9.2.10 @ 11:07AM
Alan Brooks is just jealous of Kim Jong Il's porn collection
Michele San Pietro| 9.2.10 @ 5:51PM
It sound as though it's compulsory to have been a communist during one's youth... I find this absolutely hogwash. Thank God, I was born a pro-America right-winger, and I will die a pro-America right-winger.
Ken| 9.4.10 @ 10:45AM
"I pass the test that says a man who isn't a socialist at twenty has no heart, and a man who is a socialist at forty has no head."
-- William Casey, Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, 1981-1987
Tyrants from mass-murdering terrorist organizations like the CIA have absolutely no moral authority with me.
Right-wingers slander everyone to the left of them as "socialists." Liberals slander everyone to the right of them as "fascists." The world would be better without both.