Ruling Class Mayor Bloomberg is out of his mosque. Also: Volt chargers. Bonfire of the nation builders. Plus more.
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Questions for those who would buy, rather than lease, a Volt. What will be the electricity cost to charge its battery? Where will such a large battery be disposed? And how does it affect resale price when the second buyer has to factor in replacement of a multiple-thousand dollar battery?
I think I’ll stick with my Impala.
— John R.
Tannehill
Dallas,
Texas
MISSING THE TARGET
Re: Jed Babbin’s
Bonfire of the Neocons and
Bonfire of the Neocons, Part 2:
Jed Babbin stands vindicated by the facts in Afghanistan.
“Nation building” was the optimist’s corollary to Colin Powell’s
statement: “you break it, you own it.” Well, Powell was a warrior
once young and brave. But he later embodied the caution of
bureaucratic and political war that cannot understand the simple
fact of a hard lesson delivered bluntly and without apology.
Better the Mideast and all of Islam fear the secular West, which
they can, than try to convert them into respecting and embracing
us, which they won’t. We can break them and not own them. And we
can break them again if called for. And again. We mean them no
harm until they seek to harm us, then lights out. Let them own
the consequences of their behavior. Anyone who makes war without
a sense of historic pessimism should not be a general or national
leader. War is tragedy because we must wage it from time to
time….nation building is the silly idea that this war can be the
last. In Afghanistan, we should administer a frightful offensive,
hunt and kill the Jihadist leadership, leave our calling card,
then pull out waving the flag of victory.
— Christopher
Roberts
Brattleboro, Vermont
Mr. Babbin’s two-part series on the notion of nation-building is the best short analysis I have yet read on the subject of our spectacularly less than successful ventures into Iraq and Afghanistan. We may have “Scotched the snake” of al-Qaida and the Taliban but we are a long way from killing it.
Our policy of short-sighted war in which we confine ourselves to the battlegrounds of our enemies choosing and stubbornly refuse to hunt down and destroy the enablers of the fight against us is analogous to a doctor prescribing only an antipyretic for a fever and refusing to prescribe the antimicrobial necessary to kill the organism causing the fever. That is medical malpractice. Our way of 21st Century war, so far, is political malpractice verging on national calamity.
I hope those in positions of authority hear and heed the
words of Mr. Babbin.
— Keith
Varni
Excuse me, but aren’t all the arguments here going in the same circle? If the root of the problem is that a militant, malignant, and imperialist version of Islam has taken over the discourse and policies of that civilization, then what other cure for the disease can America apply except the “nation-building,” which both political parties hold in horror but neither can seem to avoid as a practical proposition? Isolationism was a bankrupt ideology in FDR’s time. Today it is simply an escapist fantasy, as is the other rabid extreme of nuking them all.
Bush II and the neo-cons applied nation building without being honest about why it is needed. The old-line conservatives identify the problem but deny the cure, even while their own formula for withdrawal and disengagement makes Neville Chamberlain look like George Patton. (The liberals’ program is abject surrender and the performance of indecent acts, as always. Further than this we need not go, Allah be praised.)
IMHO, the train left the station some time ago. We should
never have been reduced to such limited choices, but there’s no
help for it now. It’s either shoulder the White Man’s Burden
(suitably re-named) or collaborate in our own destruction.
— Martin Owens
Sacramento,
California
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Alan Brooks| 8.9.10 @ 9:18AM
Building the mosque is probably an olive branch from muslims, but it is almost like building an SS memorial near the site of an demolished synagogue; or maybe akin to building a Jefferson Davis Confederate Presidential Library next to the birthplace of Martin Luther King.
Well-intentioned, permissible, ecumenical to a certain extent, but not to the best decorum.
FastJohnny| 8.9.10 @ 11:44AM
Even the least learned student of history knows that Islam offers no olive branchs. It never has and never will. Islamic thought only makes value judgements about how to best spread the word of Allah. If there is an olive branch offered it is because it is a discretionary judgement, a retreat that is necessary in order to win at a later date. One piece of good news for those of us that do not want to see a 'cultural center' (really a way to spread the word of Allah across the world of infidels) is that no construction crew in NYC would touch that project. We all know how hard it is to get work done in NYC on projects that non-controversial and not anti-Western, just think about trying to get the project going with this one. Bill O'Reilly from Fox brought this up and I think he is completely right, just try to find any construction union that will touch that with a 10 foot pole.
Alan Brooks| 8.9.10 @ 7:38PM
"If there is an olive branch offered it is because it is a discretionary judgment"
That is pretty much what I meant above, although individual-- and even small groups of grass roots muslims-- can be gullible as to their higher-ups motives in building the mosque in question; but not their leaders.
Alan Brooks| 8.9.10 @ 8:27PM
Islamics are extreme authoritarians, yes; but not totalitarians, Islam is not monolithic, as Pol Pot's Cambodia was.
Some muslims do think of Cordoba House as an olive branch...
but they are probably not the sharpest crayons in the box.
wolflen| 8.9.10 @ 1:11PM
unions wont work you say...a paycheck not wanted...doubt it highly...it would require unions and their leaders to have a moral compass...and if the crews are illegal aliens from mexico, where they cheered at the 9/11 destruction, and have no allegiance to Americae ....the cultural center will be built
Alan Brooks| 8.9.10 @ 7:45PM
Why don't we compromise on this: permit them to build the mosque, but only if a large, indelible, glow in the dark, bull's eye is painted on top of it.