This dark, somber, well-made film offers a woman's perspective on
the patriarchal honor culture of the Missouri Ozarks.
First let me say that I liked Winter's Bone, the
adaptation of Daniel Woodrell's novel of the same name by Debra
Granik, who directed and co-wrote the screenplay with Anne
Rosellini, though I thought it needn't have been so somber and
depressing as it was. This was because the tone was not quite
rightly judged, I think. Essentially, the movie gives us a
woman's -- if not quite an explicitly feminist -- perspective on
what is represented, probably with some accuracy, as the
patriarchal male honor culture of the Missouri Ozarks. But the
result is almost unremittingly grim and miserable and so runs the
risk of compromising that accuracy by making it look too much
like a feminist caricature. Although I have no idea of Ms.
Granik's political views, she could hardly have made a movie more
dark and depressing if she occupied an honored place among the
sternest sort of that's-not-funny! feminists.
There are some rather half-hearted attempts in the movie to
lighten this darkness. In one or two scenes we see these wild
mountain men forget their propensity for violence long enough to
engage in music-making along with the women who, for the moment,
cease looking depressed and resentful of their lot in life. But
these scenes are not enough to add any significant shading of
gray to an otherwise starkly black-and-white representation of
this bleak and frightening world. The mountain-man's honor
culture is doubtless a throwback and considerably debased from
the time -- only seventy years or so ago, as you can see from
Howard Hawks's Sergeant York of 1941 -- when it bore
some relation to a national honor culture, but even today it
would be an exaggeration to say that either the women or the men
are prisoners of their ancient habits of clannishness and
deference to paternal authority. The patriarchy could not have
held on for so many centuries if it were the tyranny the
feminists believe it to be. There must be good as well as bad in
it.
There is a hint of this good, too, in the pride Ms.
Granik's heroine, 17-year-old Ree Dolly (Jennifer Lawrence),
takes in her family's honor when a bail bondsman (Tate Taylor)
appears at her door to tell her that her father, Jessup, charged
with "cooking" methamphetamines, has put their house up as bail
and then disappeared. If he doesn't show up for his trial, she is
told, she, her mother and siblings will lose their home. Ree, who
has no income and whose mother is non compos mentis, is the only
person able to look after her younger brother (Isaiah Stone) and
sister (Ashlee Thompson). Yet she has not the slightest doubt
that her father must be dead or he would have showed up. "I'm a
Dolly, bred and buttered, and that's how I know he's dead," she
confidently says.
She is thus appealing to the same standard of honor of
which she immediately becomes the victim. For when she turns for
help in finding her father -- or his body -- to a succession of
friends and relatives with little success, all assure her that
there are powerful forces engaged in his disappearance, and she
were best to shut up about it and submit to her fate. Gradually,
we learn that Jessup has committed the unpardonable sin in this
harsh and unforgiving world based on honor. He has informed on
his fellow drug-manufacturers, including members of his own
extended family, rather than go to jail. As Ree's uncle Teardrop
(John Hawkes) informs her, "He loved you all. That's why he went
weak."
There, I think, the film puts a foot wrong. It seems most
unlikely that, for some bizarre but unspecified reason, Jessup
would have thought he could somehow escape the inevitable
retribution that everyone else in the movie automatically assumes
is the lot of the snitch. In real life, if he had put love for
his family first he would have known that they would be better
taken care of if he had gone to jail and kept his mouth shut.
That, much more than the murder or intimidation of witnesses, is
why it is always so hard to get a conviction in these honor-based
family businesses. All the same, I think it worth looking past
this false rendering if you are fully to appreciate what the
movie has to offer.
This is mainly its portrait of Ree, who is one of the most
impressive female characters to be seen in the movies in recent
years. She is heroic and yet entirely believable partly because
she is not given to political preachments or judgments against
the society in which she lives. Ree would not have been
believable as a feminist revolutionary; instead, she is simply --
simply! -- a brave and determined young woman trying to keep her
home and her family together in a world neither she nor we can
imagine being other than it is. In doing so, she has to stand up
to the hostility of the family patriarch, "Thump" Milton (Ronnie
Hall), and the many other family members -- including, at first,
even her Uncle Teardrop -- who are terrified of him and so win
his and their grudging acceptance.
Teardrop is ultimately inspired by her example to his own
possibly fatal defiance of the family code of honor and so helps
to bring about a compromise solution to the problem of what is to
be done about Jessup's family, albeit one involving yet more
horror for Ree. Yet in some ways I think the movie would have
been better if her singular bravery and strength of character had
been just a little less singular and a little more like that of
the honorable society as she imagines it to be when she explains
her scarcely believable actions by repeating to the bail bondsman
at the end that she is a Dolly "bred and buttered, like I told
you."
About the Author
James Bowman, our movie and culture critic, is a resident scholar at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. He is the author of Honor: A History and Media Madness: The Corruption of Our Political Culture, both published by Encounter Books.
"Bread and buttered," a meaningless phrase instead of "born and
bred," the phrase that obviously "inspired" some screenwriter?
I've never heard the former phrase. I bet it's made up.
Sandra| 7.1.10 @ 10:18AM
Bill's correct, the phrase is "born and bred" or "bred and born"
Then again, the book writer got lots of things wrong, and the
screenplay only continued that trend.
Wolfburg| 1.16.11 @ 10:01PM
Well Sandra he got a lot more things right than wrong.
James| 7.1.10 @ 10:53AM
You have got to be kidding. I've lived in the Ozarks for almost
40 years and have never seen any behavior like the drivel relayed
in this article. There are no "clans" in the Missouri Ozarks:
it's a fully commercialized tourist trap for boating, camping,
and fishing. Believe it or not we actually have running water and
flush toilets in our houses. What a pathetic farce.
Dawn| 7.1.10 @ 12:30PM
Totally agree James, as a fellow Missouri Ozarks resident. Hey,
we even have high-speed internet and 'lectricity too!
JS| 7.1.10 @ 1:19PM
The people who write this tripe are of the same ilk that think
they need so called third-world-country shots to go to a NASCAR
race. They think we Texans still ride horses to school (I know
some who do) and still have indian attacks. They are truly
clueless.
A. Bellows| 7.16.10 @ 3:10PM
I agree wholeheartedly James. While I'm a Michigan resident, I've
visited the Ozarks many times and have never seen the type of
behavior portrayed in this book or film.
Powell| 8.3.10 @ 1:59PM
Correction: You have lived in one or two or three places in the
Ozarks for almost 40 years. I have lived there too. Have I seen
characters like this? No. Does that mean they don't exist? No. If
you rule out the possibility of this kind of society existing
simply because you haven't been exposed to it, you are
geographically and intellectually insular. This was a great
movie.
Wolfburg| 1.16.11 @ 9:45PM
I don't know where you live in the Ozarks James but I have been
here for 40 years also (much to my regret) and the movie is an
accurate depiction of "Ozark Mountain" culture. In my job I have
visited many homes and encountered many people as dark, threatening
and menacing as depicted in the movie. I have learned to survive by
understanding and accepting their culture but it is what it is and
the movie did a great job of depicting the reality of the Ozark
Backwoods.
Robbins Mitchell| 7.1.10 @ 4:04PM
Evidently the only concession this film makes to modernity is
that Jessup was cooking up meth instead of making
'shine....everything else about it sounds contrived
Wolfburg| 1.16.11 @ 9:47PM
Believe me it's not contrived. If you want I can take you to
many places just like that depicted in the movie - if you have the
stomach for it.
Bilwick| 7.1.10 @ 4:53PM
Doesn't sound like a movie I'd want to see.
Less'n, of course, if it has some hot cousin-on-cousin hillbilly
lovin'! Yee-haw!
Wemedge| 7.3.10 @ 5:23AM
From the ever informative Wikipedia:
"(film maker) Granik was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and
grew up in the suburbs of Washington D.C. She received her B.A.
from Brandeis University in 1985, where she majored in politics.
She later earned an MFA from the graduate film program at New
York University (Tisch School of the Arts)."
Nuff said.
Trebuchet| 7.3.10 @ 10:07AM
"Missouri Ozark Male Honor Culture"? What in the Wide, Wide World
of Sports are you talking about. It's a movie about Tweekers.
Annie| 7.3.10 @ 11:55PM
I was born and reared in the Ozarks--my ancestors have been
Missourians since at least the early 1800's. The movie was filmed
in SW MO because the area written about (southern MO) was a bit
hostile to the idea. I don't know about the others, but this does
happen, even in the towns around here, not just the remote areas.
In many parts it is a male-dominated society. Missouri is the
meth capital of the US. Poverty is pervasive. But I guess it is
easier to say the movie is a farce than to actually check the
facts or be familiar with the area (not just the tourist strip).
The locals had a lot of input to make sure it rang true (like
cooking fried taters instead of grits). Ok--I've never heard the
term, "bred and buttered," but it can vary by town or county. The
movie is multifaceted--not just about Tweekers, poverty, hill
folk. I enjoyed it. I plan on seeing it a third time, getting the
DVD to see the cut scenes, continuing to discuss it in depth with
those who "get it"--mostly those who live in this area.
Ian| 7.25.10 @ 12:29AM
Amen
Julie Brinkhoff| 8.4.10 @ 2:14PM
I, too, grew up near the Ozarks (SW MO) and can confirm that
these conditions do exist in pockets of the area. There is a lot
of poverty and, when combined with meth, creates exactly what you
see in this movie. A "meth/poverty culture" has definitely taken
hold. It's interesting (at least to me) that so many posters
can't/won't believe this is movie is realistic. Your thoughts?
Wolfburg| 1.16.11 @ 9:49PM
You are right on Annie. Not all here are as depicted in the
movies but they are here and in no small number.
jonathan fultruth| 7.13.10 @ 11:21AM
Your reviewer must have really been on his politically correct
horse when he wrote this political screed. "The patriarchy could
not have held on for so many centuries if it were the tyranny the
feminists believe it to be. There must be good as well as bad in
it."? (By the way, what good do you think there is in that
culture, espically for women?) Ever hear of fundamentalist Islam?
Ever hear of the Christian church? Ever hear of orthodox Judaica?
Ever hear of the first 1900 years of Euro-culture?
And to hold up the obvious WWII political propaganda of Sgt York
as a measure of truth, come on!
And that's not to mention your stereotypical use of "humorless"
feminists as a straw person.
You ignore several hundred years of history when your politics
require you to deny the continued poverty, oppressiveness and
utter degradation of of life in much of the rural US.
Doug| 12.16.10 @ 6:08PM
Just for the record, the story of Sgt. York was about WWI, not
WWII.
Grady Lee Howard| 7.14.10 @ 1:47PM
I didn't even know Sheryl Lee could run a chainsaw, let alone cut
off a dead guy's hands while standing in a jon boat. These scenes
suggest Ozark women in drug cults dispose of the snitchers'
bodies. (Stihl is the best chainsaw.) Sheryl has come a long way
since Twin peaks, and is definitely on that Carrie Snodgrass
road. Everyone ages, but not all with so much courage. Playacting
ain't that easy, in the Ozarks or downtown Burbank.
jay| 7.21.10 @ 10:03AM
that character isn't sheryl lee...sheryl lee plays the woman
jessup was having an affair with.
Doug| 12.16.10 @ 6:06PM
The woman with the chainsaw was played by Dale Dickey, not
Sheryl Lee.
Grady Lee Howard| 7.14.10 @ 1:55PM
I'm a Howard "bread and buttered".... common adage in upstate
western S.C. to southern Virginia Blue Ridge, especially in Elk
Park, N.C. They continue to crop grown dogs' tail and ears there
right on the chopping block in the backyard. America has a
sadistic cruel underbelly everyone denies. (Axes, not chainsaws.)
See Wikileaks helicopter footage of cannon slaughter of Iraqi
civilians (2 kids included) and Reuters journalists.
Our military seems particularly drawn to journalists, maybe
because filmmakers avoid war zones.
Brian Clarke| 7.21.10 @ 10:25PM
The folks depicted in this film are the sophisticated ones. You
should see the others. You should see the ones they ran out of
the Ozarks and who now live in Jeff County near St. Louis. Real??
You betcha!
Harold| 10.10.10 @ 12:20AM
amen!
Jeffrey| 7.25.10 @ 8:17PM
The original novel's author (Daniel Wodrell) was born, raised and
currently resides in the Ozarks. I have traveled to and worked in
some astonishly diverse areas of this country, and have never
ceased to be amazed at the varieties of cultures that live within
a stone's throw of each other, but never intersect. There are
people who live in Los Angeles, who have never been to the beach
or seen the ocean -- even though it's less than ten miles from
where they live. Folks, please don't write in stating that just
because you haven't seen something means that it doesn't exist.
You only reveal your own particular parochialisms.
Kareberg| 7.26.10 @ 12:37AM
Excellent point, Jeffrey!
Chuck Tibbs| 7.27.10 @ 1:54PM
Jeffrey hit it. There are people living in six an seven figure
homes in southeast and southwest Pierce County Washington, also
Kitsap and Mason Counties, an easy drive to the state capitol or
Seattle, who don't know or would deny what the neighbors are up
to. Snuffy Smith, the moonshiner distilled 'shine in the comics
then grew pot, peddled powder, heroin and probably crack and
cooks meth. Notice the resemblance between the leader of the pack
and Little Abner's mammy? In the real world it ain't funny. I've
heard recently that there is still (or again) a moonshine
industry in the foothills east of Seattle. There is a dangerous
world a few miles from the tourist town of Gig Harbor. Or the
tourist towns of southwest Missouri. A person can be killed for
being too curious or too talkative. It's as true out in the
country as it is Hell's Kitchen or Little Italy. This is a story
about a seventeen girl trying to find her way through this
snakepit. No, it isn't funny. There are no light moments. Hell of
a film.
I think the article is wrong. This is not a story about the
oppression of women, but about despair. Humans are weak and evil
and success and heroism are fantasies. Because people are weak
and evil all that is left to do is fall into despair - or perhaps
some benevolent dictator will ensure we do not descend into total
chaos.
While it might be possible to find some isolated cases in
Missouri of people like those portrayed in this movie, the same
could be said of Washington DC, Los Angels, Houston or anywhere
else you look. If the movie’s location had been any of these
locations, the point of the movie would have been the same –
people are weak and evil and resignation and despair are only
rational choice.
This movie was worse than bad it is evil.
Keith| 8.12.10 @ 10:30PM
Have read the book and have seen the movie. Also sat in on a book
club discussion led by a Missouri State University English Lit
professor who grew up in Arkansas. A member of the club grew up
in Tennessee and both individuals can attest to the way of life
depicted in the story. Further, Missouri is known as the meth
capital of the US, especially in the southern part of the state.
I can personally attest to having seen home sites that are shown
in the movie. I also have a friend who is a Ph.D psychologist who
deals with these kinds of people at a local hospital in southern
Missouri. For those of you who think this is a contrived story,
you need to get off of the main roads in Christian and Taney
Counties and also south of West Plains, Missouri toward the
Arkansas border. The clan mentality depicted in the movie is a
lingering culture from the Scots-Irish clans that migrated to the
US in the 18th century and came down into Tennessee and Kentucky
and into the Ozarks in southern Missouri and Northern Arkansas.
They are still there and they are real.
Wolfburg| 1.16.11 @ 9:56PM
Dale, it is a depiction of the truth. The movie is not evil. It
is a depiction of evil. The evil exists because it exists not
because it depicts a reality. If you don't believe the reality
exists you are entitled to your own opinion but don't kill the
messenger.
I'm a reporter in the Ozarks who ran across this review because
I'm doing some unrelated research on some of the other activities
of key people involved in making this movie. (And don't hold my
profession against me -- I'm a hard-right conservative and have
been ever since my days volunteering for Ronald Reagan's 1980
presidential campaign, back when most Republicans thought he could
never win the Republican nomination.)
I don't want to get into whether this movie is a feminist
pot-shot at the Ozarks; it may be. But for the people who say a
patriarchal rural Ozark honor culture doesn't exist in the Ozarks
-- they need to go take a look at our county's court docket.
Meth cooks have taken an older tradition of lawlessness and
anti-government attitudes that dates back at least to the
moonshiners and have turned it into an even uglier reality that is
destroying families much more than "demon rum" ever did. I've lived
in inner-city environments before, and the generational poverty,
children raising children, and drug abuse is just as bad in the
backwoods of Missouri as I ever saw in major cities. The big
difference is that extended families tend to live in the same areas
for generations and don't cooperate with "outsiders" real well, so
local law enforcement born or at least raised in the county are
usually the only people who can get through to the local criminal
element.
Branson is a nice place to visit, but it does not reflect the
reality of what exists outside the glitter and glitz of tourist
towns in the Ozarks.
Ace| 9.3.10 @ 4:21PM
Good comment. I especially liked that you described yourself as
a"reporter" and not a "journalist". More authentic... to me
anyway.
rpdc1| 1.16.11 @ 9:58PM
As one who has lived in the area for 40 years, I can attest that
yours is a true and accurate "report".
rufus swan| 10.18.10 @ 9:40PM
Interesting discussion. I tried to read the book, but could not
accept the author's printed dialect, although the plot synopsis was
sound for this day and age.
I can verify that the movie was 'spot on' as most was filmed
within a short walk from my house, and kudos to Debra for taking
some direction from the locals for true authenticity. I was
surprised to find that I enjoyed the movie, felt the look, feel,
and intent although dark, was about as true and honest as it
gets.
We who live here enjoyed being part of it and don't feel sullied
by its message. The diatribe of the reviewer above may play well in
his circles he would be at risk of having his ............ down in
our neighborhood.
larry | 10.30.10 @ 4:53AM
see the movie. simply put........AWESOME!!!!!!
Beth| 12.15.10 @ 3:22PM
The film was very well done and I really enjoyed it a lot. But
-- Daniel Woodrell's novel Winter's Bone is even better! It's a
quick read that absolutely pulls you into that world. He's a
fabulous novelist. The man has a way with words...
Micah| 1.5.11 @ 2:21PM
I am glad to see the debate continuing over this movie, imo the
best of the year, and one of the best of all time.
Having said that, I would refer to Ree as a Survivalist as
opposed to a Femnist.
People may want to debate whether such a society exists and that
question is answered by Debra Granik, who actually retained a
"Guide" in the form of Ron "Stray Dog" Hall and the Layson
family,,,,both referred to in Erin Trahans excellent article in the
Boston Globe about Ms.Granik and the production.
As for family values/ bonds I tend to believe Jessup broke down
from the pressure, perhaps he made a big deal that he couldnt
deliver to people he didnt know too well and got caught then
betrayed. Being under the influence of such anyway, one has to
guess that he wasnt of a clear mind to begin with.
I believe Teardrop knew that Thump Milton arranged for the
Jessup killing, and was ready to kill anyone blood or not, who
would blow their cover.
That was Teardrops own torture to have to carry around, and his
own fear of Thump which seemed to have lifted by the end of the
film. He drove away angry, seemingly on a mission he had started
the night before by bashing one of their trucks, then standing up
to the officer.
The problem I had with the ending is that while Ree did
"triumph" , she still had no real way to raise the family by
herself with her father no longer in business.
The fantastic book by Woodrell has Ree with a job offer at the
end, but the movie, while ending wonderfully, still had a lot of
future doubt facing the family unless of course, Ree would then
choose to join the existing "family business" .
Heres hoping justice is served for Debra Granik, and the entire
cast of this heartfelt, and real movie. I dont think that the
residents of the Ozarks have much to be ashamed about here. There
are poor communities everywhere with similar tragic stories
happening daily.
Micah| 1.5.11 @ 7:51PM
PS - Sorry for the misspellings. I truly need to find my
eyeglasses more often,,, prior to typing.
Steve| 2.17.11 @ 2:34AM
Mr. Bowman's "feminist" viewpoint seems mired in one or two
high-profile characters; most of the female roles are starkly
realistic and non-feminist.
Steve | 2.17.11 @ 2:52AM
My apologies for double-dipping. I am compelled however
tofurther submit the following:
1. In refrerence to, 'Yet she has not the slightest doubt that
her father must be dead or he would have showed up. "I'm a Dolly,
bred and buttered, and that's how I know he's dead," she
confidently says.'
I am sorry to be the one to break it to you, but she said that
in order to defuse the legal authorities. She had not yet
determined if her was dead.
2. In reference to, 'There, I think, the film puts a foot wrong.
It seems most unlikely that, for some bizarre but unspecified
reason, Jessup would have thought he could somehow escape the
inevitable retribution that everyone else in the movie
automatically assumes is the lot of the snitch.'
You seem to have no research into ancient Ozark family
hierarchy. Jessup was the patriarch. Highly decorated and
all-powerful. The concept as presented was correct. Your lack of
research is the flaw.
I will let it go at two. Suffice to say that Mr. Bowman's take
is Hollywoodesque formulaic and shallow. Life, Mr. Bowman, does not
follow educated formula, and I dare suggest that if you spent one
winter in the high Ozarks you would succumb to over-consumption of
crow.
Ozark Teacher| 1.19.12 @ 12:18AM
I am a life-long resident of the southeast Ozark region. I read
Winter's Bone because I was curious to see how my culture was
portrayed in modern literature. The content did not shame nor shock
me. I understand that this is a work of fiction, with supernatural
elements commonly found in Southern Gothic literature. I
appreciated the Mr. Woodrell's work.
I especially appreciated Ree Dolley. Ozark women are a throwback
to the Native American women that use to populate this area. The
women I know, including myself, raise the children, clean the
house, mow the grass, cook the food, and make sure their children
are at church on Sunday. Men excel at hunting and drinking beer.
Ree Dolley's survivalist instincts are a product of her
culture.
For people who are unfamiliar with the Ozarks, please do not
confuse the mountain culture depicted in this novel with "Lake of
the Ozark's" or Branson. I live in impoverished, rural, and
isolated mountain region. I am a teacher in a small, impoverished,
rural school. I see things that make me cry at night. I had a
little girl suddenly become bald on the top of her head, her
parents had used kerosene to rid her of lice. Our parents often
have no jobs, no teeth, and no hope for a better life because of a
lack of job opportunities. Our high school graduates see college as
a waste of time because the only people they know with degrees are
teachers. Degrees aren't needed to work at gas stations, banks,
grocery stores, home health, or the construction industry.
But twined with this bleakness is the unparalleled beauty of the
Ozark Mountains and its people. Resourceful people with strong
family bonds. Land that shelters, isolates, and yet invites. Thank
you Mr. Woodrell for capturing the mystique of this area.
Bill| 7.1.10 @ 9:27AM
"Bread and buttered," a meaningless phrase instead of "born and bred," the phrase that obviously "inspired" some screenwriter?
I've never heard the former phrase. I bet it's made up.
Sandra| 7.1.10 @ 10:18AM
Bill's correct, the phrase is "born and bred" or "bred and born" Then again, the book writer got lots of things wrong, and the screenplay only continued that trend.
Wolfburg| 1.16.11 @ 10:01PM
Well Sandra he got a lot more things right than wrong.
James| 7.1.10 @ 10:53AM
You have got to be kidding. I've lived in the Ozarks for almost 40 years and have never seen any behavior like the drivel relayed in this article. There are no "clans" in the Missouri Ozarks: it's a fully commercialized tourist trap for boating, camping, and fishing. Believe it or not we actually have running water and flush toilets in our houses. What a pathetic farce.
Dawn| 7.1.10 @ 12:30PM
Totally agree James, as a fellow Missouri Ozarks resident. Hey, we even have high-speed internet and 'lectricity too!
JS| 7.1.10 @ 1:19PM
The people who write this tripe are of the same ilk that think they need so called third-world-country shots to go to a NASCAR race. They think we Texans still ride horses to school (I know some who do) and still have indian attacks. They are truly clueless.
A. Bellows| 7.16.10 @ 3:10PM
I agree wholeheartedly James. While I'm a Michigan resident, I've visited the Ozarks many times and have never seen the type of behavior portrayed in this book or film.
Powell| 8.3.10 @ 1:59PM
Correction: You have lived in one or two or three places in the Ozarks for almost 40 years. I have lived there too. Have I seen characters like this? No. Does that mean they don't exist? No. If you rule out the possibility of this kind of society existing simply because you haven't been exposed to it, you are geographically and intellectually insular. This was a great movie.
Wolfburg| 1.16.11 @ 9:45PM
I don't know where you live in the Ozarks James but I have been here for 40 years also (much to my regret) and the movie is an accurate depiction of "Ozark Mountain" culture. In my job I have visited many homes and encountered many people as dark, threatening and menacing as depicted in the movie. I have learned to survive by understanding and accepting their culture but it is what it is and the movie did a great job of depicting the reality of the Ozark Backwoods.
Robbins Mitchell| 7.1.10 @ 4:04PM
Evidently the only concession this film makes to modernity is that Jessup was cooking up meth instead of making 'shine....everything else about it sounds contrived
Wolfburg| 1.16.11 @ 9:47PM
Believe me it's not contrived. If you want I can take you to many places just like that depicted in the movie - if you have the stomach for it.
Bilwick| 7.1.10 @ 4:53PM
Doesn't sound like a movie I'd want to see.
Less'n, of course, if it has some hot cousin-on-cousin hillbilly lovin'! Yee-haw!
Wemedge| 7.3.10 @ 5:23AM
From the ever informative Wikipedia:
"(film maker) Granik was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and grew up in the suburbs of Washington D.C. She received her B.A. from Brandeis University in 1985, where she majored in politics. She later earned an MFA from the graduate film program at New York University (Tisch School of the Arts)."
Nuff said.
Trebuchet| 7.3.10 @ 10:07AM
"Missouri Ozark Male Honor Culture"? What in the Wide, Wide World of Sports are you talking about. It's a movie about Tweekers.
Annie| 7.3.10 @ 11:55PM
I was born and reared in the Ozarks--my ancestors have been Missourians since at least the early 1800's. The movie was filmed in SW MO because the area written about (southern MO) was a bit hostile to the idea. I don't know about the others, but this does happen, even in the towns around here, not just the remote areas. In many parts it is a male-dominated society. Missouri is the meth capital of the US. Poverty is pervasive. But I guess it is easier to say the movie is a farce than to actually check the facts or be familiar with the area (not just the tourist strip). The locals had a lot of input to make sure it rang true (like cooking fried taters instead of grits). Ok--I've never heard the term, "bred and buttered," but it can vary by town or county. The movie is multifaceted--not just about Tweekers, poverty, hill folk. I enjoyed it. I plan on seeing it a third time, getting the DVD to see the cut scenes, continuing to discuss it in depth with those who "get it"--mostly those who live in this area.
Ian| 7.25.10 @ 12:29AM
Amen
Julie Brinkhoff| 8.4.10 @ 2:14PM
I, too, grew up near the Ozarks (SW MO) and can confirm that these conditions do exist in pockets of the area. There is a lot of poverty and, when combined with meth, creates exactly what you see in this movie. A "meth/poverty culture" has definitely taken hold. It's interesting (at least to me) that so many posters can't/won't believe this is movie is realistic. Your thoughts?
Wolfburg| 1.16.11 @ 9:49PM
You are right on Annie. Not all here are as depicted in the movies but they are here and in no small number.
jonathan fultruth| 7.13.10 @ 11:21AM
Your reviewer must have really been on his politically correct horse when he wrote this political screed. "The patriarchy could not have held on for so many centuries if it were the tyranny the feminists believe it to be. There must be good as well as bad in it."? (By the way, what good do you think there is in that culture, espically for women?) Ever hear of fundamentalist Islam? Ever hear of the Christian church? Ever hear of orthodox Judaica? Ever hear of the first 1900 years of Euro-culture?
And to hold up the obvious WWII political propaganda of Sgt York as a measure of truth, come on!
And that's not to mention your stereotypical use of "humorless" feminists as a straw person.
You ignore several hundred years of history when your politics require you to deny the continued poverty, oppressiveness and utter degradation of of life in much of the rural US.
Doug| 12.16.10 @ 6:08PM
Just for the record, the story of Sgt. York was about WWI, not WWII.
Grady Lee Howard| 7.14.10 @ 1:47PM
I didn't even know Sheryl Lee could run a chainsaw, let alone cut off a dead guy's hands while standing in a jon boat. These scenes suggest Ozark women in drug cults dispose of the snitchers' bodies. (Stihl is the best chainsaw.) Sheryl has come a long way since Twin peaks, and is definitely on that Carrie Snodgrass road. Everyone ages, but not all with so much courage. Playacting ain't that easy, in the Ozarks or downtown Burbank.
jay| 7.21.10 @ 10:03AM
that character isn't sheryl lee...sheryl lee plays the woman jessup was having an affair with.
Doug| 12.16.10 @ 6:06PM
The woman with the chainsaw was played by Dale Dickey, not Sheryl Lee.
Grady Lee Howard| 7.14.10 @ 1:55PM
I'm a Howard "bread and buttered".... common adage in upstate western S.C. to southern Virginia Blue Ridge, especially in Elk Park, N.C. They continue to crop grown dogs' tail and ears there right on the chopping block in the backyard. America has a sadistic cruel underbelly everyone denies. (Axes, not chainsaws.) See Wikileaks helicopter footage of cannon slaughter of Iraqi civilians (2 kids included) and Reuters journalists.
Our military seems particularly drawn to journalists, maybe because filmmakers avoid war zones.
Brian Clarke| 7.21.10 @ 10:25PM
The folks depicted in this film are the sophisticated ones. You should see the others. You should see the ones they ran out of the Ozarks and who now live in Jeff County near St. Louis. Real?? You betcha!
Harold| 10.10.10 @ 12:20AM
amen!
Jeffrey| 7.25.10 @ 8:17PM
The original novel's author (Daniel Wodrell) was born, raised and currently resides in the Ozarks. I have traveled to and worked in some astonishly diverse areas of this country, and have never ceased to be amazed at the varieties of cultures that live within a stone's throw of each other, but never intersect. There are people who live in Los Angeles, who have never been to the beach or seen the ocean -- even though it's less than ten miles from where they live. Folks, please don't write in stating that just because you haven't seen something means that it doesn't exist. You only reveal your own particular parochialisms.
Kareberg| 7.26.10 @ 12:37AM
Excellent point, Jeffrey!
Chuck Tibbs| 7.27.10 @ 1:54PM
Jeffrey hit it. There are people living in six an seven figure homes in southeast and southwest Pierce County Washington, also Kitsap and Mason Counties, an easy drive to the state capitol or Seattle, who don't know or would deny what the neighbors are up to. Snuffy Smith, the moonshiner distilled 'shine in the comics then grew pot, peddled powder, heroin and probably crack and cooks meth. Notice the resemblance between the leader of the pack and Little Abner's mammy? In the real world it ain't funny. I've heard recently that there is still (or again) a moonshine industry in the foothills east of Seattle. There is a dangerous world a few miles from the tourist town of Gig Harbor. Or the tourist towns of southwest Missouri. A person can be killed for being too curious or too talkative. It's as true out in the country as it is Hell's Kitchen or Little Italy. This is a story about a seventeen girl trying to find her way through this snakepit. No, it isn't funny. There are no light moments. Hell of a film.
ann Glynn| 8.2.10 @ 12:53AM
It was a great film. Mysogeny seems universal.
Dale B. Hallling| 8.9.10 @ 4:27PM
I think the article is wrong. This is not a story about the oppression of women, but about despair. Humans are weak and evil and success and heroism are fantasies. Because people are weak and evil all that is left to do is fall into despair - or perhaps some benevolent dictator will ensure we do not descend into total chaos.
While it might be possible to find some isolated cases in Missouri of people like those portrayed in this movie, the same could be said of Washington DC, Los Angels, Houston or anywhere else you look. If the movie’s location had been any of these locations, the point of the movie would have been the same – people are weak and evil and resignation and despair are only rational choice.
This movie was worse than bad it is evil.
Keith| 8.12.10 @ 10:30PM
Have read the book and have seen the movie. Also sat in on a book club discussion led by a Missouri State University English Lit professor who grew up in Arkansas. A member of the club grew up in Tennessee and both individuals can attest to the way of life depicted in the story. Further, Missouri is known as the meth capital of the US, especially in the southern part of the state. I can personally attest to having seen home sites that are shown in the movie. I also have a friend who is a Ph.D psychologist who deals with these kinds of people at a local hospital in southern Missouri. For those of you who think this is a contrived story, you need to get off of the main roads in Christian and Taney Counties and also south of West Plains, Missouri toward the Arkansas border. The clan mentality depicted in the movie is a lingering culture from the Scots-Irish clans that migrated to the US in the 18th century and came down into Tennessee and Kentucky and into the Ozarks in southern Missouri and Northern Arkansas. They are still there and they are real.
Wolfburg| 1.16.11 @ 9:56PM
Dale, it is a depiction of the truth. The movie is not evil. It is a depiction of evil. The evil exists because it exists not because it depicts a reality. If you don't believe the reality exists you are entitled to your own opinion but don't kill the messenger.
Darrell Todd Maurina| 9.2.10 @ 3:48PM
I'm a reporter in the Ozarks who ran across this review because I'm doing some unrelated research on some of the other activities of key people involved in making this movie. (And don't hold my profession against me -- I'm a hard-right conservative and have been ever since my days volunteering for Ronald Reagan's 1980 presidential campaign, back when most Republicans thought he could never win the Republican nomination.)
I don't want to get into whether this movie is a feminist pot-shot at the Ozarks; it may be. But for the people who say a patriarchal rural Ozark honor culture doesn't exist in the Ozarks -- they need to go take a look at our county's court docket.
Meth cooks have taken an older tradition of lawlessness and anti-government attitudes that dates back at least to the moonshiners and have turned it into an even uglier reality that is destroying families much more than "demon rum" ever did. I've lived in inner-city environments before, and the generational poverty, children raising children, and drug abuse is just as bad in the backwoods of Missouri as I ever saw in major cities. The big difference is that extended families tend to live in the same areas for generations and don't cooperate with "outsiders" real well, so local law enforcement born or at least raised in the county are usually the only people who can get through to the local criminal element.
Branson is a nice place to visit, but it does not reflect the reality of what exists outside the glitter and glitz of tourist towns in the Ozarks.
Ace| 9.3.10 @ 4:21PM
Good comment. I especially liked that you described yourself as a"reporter" and not a "journalist". More authentic... to me anyway.
rpdc1| 1.16.11 @ 9:58PM
As one who has lived in the area for 40 years, I can attest that yours is a true and accurate "report".
rufus swan| 10.18.10 @ 9:40PM
Interesting discussion. I tried to read the book, but could not accept the author's printed dialect, although the plot synopsis was sound for this day and age.
I can verify that the movie was 'spot on' as most was filmed within a short walk from my house, and kudos to Debra for taking some direction from the locals for true authenticity. I was surprised to find that I enjoyed the movie, felt the look, feel, and intent although dark, was about as true and honest as it gets.
We who live here enjoyed being part of it and don't feel sullied by its message. The diatribe of the reviewer above may play well in his circles he would be at risk of having his ............ down in our neighborhood.
larry | 10.30.10 @ 4:53AM
see the movie. simply put........AWESOME!!!!!!
Beth| 12.15.10 @ 3:22PM
The film was very well done and I really enjoyed it a lot. But -- Daniel Woodrell's novel Winter's Bone is even better! It's a quick read that absolutely pulls you into that world. He's a fabulous novelist. The man has a way with words...
Micah| 1.5.11 @ 2:21PM
I am glad to see the debate continuing over this movie, imo the best of the year, and one of the best of all time.
Having said that, I would refer to Ree as a Survivalist as opposed to a Femnist.
People may want to debate whether such a society exists and that question is answered by Debra Granik, who actually retained a "Guide" in the form of Ron "Stray Dog" Hall and the Layson family,,,,both referred to in Erin Trahans excellent article in the Boston Globe about Ms.Granik and the production.
As for family values/ bonds I tend to believe Jessup broke down from the pressure, perhaps he made a big deal that he couldnt deliver to people he didnt know too well and got caught then betrayed. Being under the influence of such anyway, one has to guess that he wasnt of a clear mind to begin with.
I believe Teardrop knew that Thump Milton arranged for the Jessup killing, and was ready to kill anyone blood or not, who would blow their cover.
That was Teardrops own torture to have to carry around, and his own fear of Thump which seemed to have lifted by the end of the film. He drove away angry, seemingly on a mission he had started the night before by bashing one of their trucks, then standing up to the officer.
The problem I had with the ending is that while Ree did "triumph" , she still had no real way to raise the family by herself with her father no longer in business.
The fantastic book by Woodrell has Ree with a job offer at the end, but the movie, while ending wonderfully, still had a lot of future doubt facing the family unless of course, Ree would then choose to join the existing "family business" .
Heres hoping justice is served for Debra Granik, and the entire cast of this heartfelt, and real movie. I dont think that the residents of the Ozarks have much to be ashamed about here. There are poor communities everywhere with similar tragic stories happening daily.
Micah| 1.5.11 @ 7:51PM
PS - Sorry for the misspellings. I truly need to find my eyeglasses more often,,, prior to typing.
Steve| 2.17.11 @ 2:34AM
Mr. Bowman's "feminist" viewpoint seems mired in one or two high-profile characters; most of the female roles are starkly realistic and non-feminist.
Steve | 2.17.11 @ 2:52AM
My apologies for double-dipping. I am compelled however tofurther submit the following:
1. In refrerence to, 'Yet she has not the slightest doubt that her father must be dead or he would have showed up. "I'm a Dolly, bred and buttered, and that's how I know he's dead," she confidently says.'
I am sorry to be the one to break it to you, but she said that in order to defuse the legal authorities. She had not yet determined if her was dead.
2. In reference to, 'There, I think, the film puts a foot wrong. It seems most unlikely that, for some bizarre but unspecified reason, Jessup would have thought he could somehow escape the inevitable retribution that everyone else in the movie automatically assumes is the lot of the snitch.'
You seem to have no research into ancient Ozark family hierarchy. Jessup was the patriarch. Highly decorated and all-powerful. The concept as presented was correct. Your lack of research is the flaw.
I will let it go at two. Suffice to say that Mr. Bowman's take is Hollywoodesque formulaic and shallow. Life, Mr. Bowman, does not follow educated formula, and I dare suggest that if you spent one winter in the high Ozarks you would succumb to over-consumption of crow.
Ozark Teacher| 1.19.12 @ 12:18AM
I am a life-long resident of the southeast Ozark region. I read Winter's Bone because I was curious to see how my culture was portrayed in modern literature. The content did not shame nor shock me. I understand that this is a work of fiction, with supernatural elements commonly found in Southern Gothic literature. I appreciated the Mr. Woodrell's work.
I especially appreciated Ree Dolley. Ozark women are a throwback to the Native American women that use to populate this area. The women I know, including myself, raise the children, clean the house, mow the grass, cook the food, and make sure their children are at church on Sunday. Men excel at hunting and drinking beer. Ree Dolley's survivalist instincts are a product of her culture.
For people who are unfamiliar with the Ozarks, please do not confuse the mountain culture depicted in this novel with "Lake of the Ozark's" or Branson. I live in impoverished, rural, and isolated mountain region. I am a teacher in a small, impoverished, rural school. I see things that make me cry at night. I had a little girl suddenly become bald on the top of her head, her parents had used kerosene to rid her of lice. Our parents often have no jobs, no teeth, and no hope for a better life because of a lack of job opportunities. Our high school graduates see college as a waste of time because the only people they know with degrees are teachers. Degrees aren't needed to work at gas stations, banks, grocery stores, home health, or the construction industry.
But twined with this bleakness is the unparalleled beauty of the Ozark Mountains and its people. Resourceful people with strong family bonds. Land that shelters, isolates, and yet invites. Thank you Mr. Woodrell for capturing the mystique of this area.