The American Spectator

coal carrier| 4.15.10 @ 7:11AM

Liberals, progressives or leftists, what ever we call them, will not be happy until they have changed this American culture into what has evolved in Europe, which is a culture that will not defend itself. And they now have the perfect commander in chief to accomplish it. Their argument is always the same that they are only thinking of the downtrodden, the children, the puppies and the kittens.

Son Of Sam| 4.15.10 @ 11:39AM

They are not progressives,since they are marching backwards into tyranny. They are ObamaNazis.

I wouldn't necessarily call it "libido", more like a sick compulsion, the way chimps fling poo at one another at the zoo. Plus, they don't have jobs, usually its either a trustfund or a welfare check

Their concern for children is legendary; perhaps thats why they've aborted so many

stand strong until freedom dawns
Son Of Sam

Big Fish| 4.15.10 @ 12:40PM

I keep trying to figure out why you would take as a pseudonym the name of a notorious serial killer. Care to enlighten us?

Son Of Sam| 4.15.10 @ 12:46PM

I'm not usually into the whole "enlightening" thing, it just sounds so patronizing and Obama-like. I prefer to call it sharing. But since you asked, and since you seem to have forgotten this part of American history, I will "enlighten" you:
Son Of Sam means Son Of Sam Adams,the original American patriot and advocate of independence

Also, his beer is friggin' excellent :-)

stand strong until freedom dawns
Son Of Sam

serfer62| 4.15.10 @ 2:35PM

Well the, why not Son of Sam Adams?

Alan Brooks| 4.15.10 @ 6:47PM

"Well the, why not Son of Sam Adams?"

Excellent point-- the only greater mystery at AS blogs is whether or not Justin Raimando really exists.

Alan Brooks| 4.15.10 @ 6:51PM

... that is to say any remote reference to David Berkowitz, no matter how unintentional, is...
pretty OUT THERE.

Son Of Sam| 4.15.10 @ 8:42PM

because Son Of Sam also spells out SOS, as in a cry for help for America.

Plus it pisses off liberals and drives ObamaNazis crazy

stand strong until freedom dawns
Son Of Sam

Alan Brooks| 4.15.10 @ 10:19PM

You want to be PRUDENT.

Mimi| 4.15.10 @ 11:46AM

Coal carrier, I disagree that their argument isthe down-trodden: Conservative contributions far outweigh the liberals. Puppies and kittens? I don't know. But children??? I say not at all!..... especially the genesis of the child in the womb! I can say, after giving birth to 8 children nothing, not anything, is more beautiful to the eyes than a new-born child. The liberal thinking as to the "life- issue" is causing their own self-inflicted annihilation!.....How Illogical.

Alan Brooks| 4.15.10 @ 6:43PM

"Conservatives' are more disciplined."

But they are also clueless-- while libs know what they want.

Rodman| 4.16.10 @ 1:45PM

The article attempts to portray conservatives as somehow ineherently more disciplined and exhibiting more restraint than Liberals. That's a tough sell, unless you willingly look only at the evidence offered by the author.

"Disciplined?" Is that what you call DeLay's marathon brow-beating session that got the Medicare Prescription Drug bill "rammed down our throats"? Is that what is meant by disciplined?

DeLay violated parliamentary procedures, prolonging the counting of 'ayes and nays' until he'd cruised the floor for a dozen hours, threatening and accosting congress members to get the votes he needed.

He finally prevailed and at least 1Trillion of our current debt load can be attributed to the (misrepresented) costs of that PHARMA pork trough.

Disciplined? Is this what you call it when DeLay's first agenda as speaker was to roll back ethics rules so that it would be impossible for the minority to have ANY voice or any recourse agains the corrupt regime that DeLay was planning, and that ultimately brought him down?

Restraint? Discipline? Where?

Was it discipline and restraint that prompted DeMent to declare hostility to the idea of health care reform before the drafting of the legislation had even begun? "It will be his Waterloo" he announced. Remember?

Serious Republicans, who wanted to do their jobs, criticized that pre-emptive declaration of opposition as it removed any leverage they had in trying to seriously participate in crafting the legislation.

Appropriately, the Democrat's response was 'Why should we let you contribute - your foresworn to the defeat of this legislation anyway?'

Restraint, would have meant Republican lawmakers witholding their declarations of hostility, and earnestly participating in the process. Discipline, would have meant not abducating their representative responsibility for the sake of an elaborate campaign stunt. This is not a universal accusation, some GOP lawmakers did their jobs, just not many. Most however, did not. Instead they contented themselves by whimpering about being left out of a processes to which they had made themselves irrelevant; evoking electoral pity and feigning outrage while they wallowed in their self-inflicted banishment.

Restraint would have meant confining their comments and criticisms of the Health Care Reform bill to things that were actually IN the bill. There were real problems with the bill and these should have been discussed for what they were. Instead Conservatives discredited themselves and enable the passing of a flawed legislation by fixating on the misty phantoms conjured in the GOP 2010 campaign strategy and in Betsy McCoughy's marching orders as the industry's attack dog.

Disciplined? That's a tough sell.

Amnesiac, is more fitting. The party and media puppet-masters tell the faithful 'it was ever thus' and they oblingingly beleive. Wiping all memory of past transgressions and duplicity from their minds so they can embrace the simplified, divisive party line.

Servile, sure. Amnesiac, certainly. But 'Disciplined' and 'Restrained' are hard to defend.

Well, perhaps; if 'Restraint' is understood to be somthing to be imposed on others, and not a component of character. Maybe the idea holds water, if 'Discipline' is similarly understood as an act not an attribute.

Like how a child is disciplined by overbearing parents to keep the child in line. Or how a draft horse was 'disciplined and restrained' by the blinders and reins that keep it focused on the load it's master wanted the beast of burden to carry.

So, giddy-up, all you good, 'disciplined and restrained' Conservatives, you have water to carry.

Publius| 4.17.10 @ 6:24PM

Nice try; throw the mud and impugn the motives of everyone else and see if it will stick. Thank goodness we have you around to set the record straight and lead us to the promised land. For a moment there I was wavering and in danger of believing the conservative conspiracy talk, but you saved us all. Monday all call the White House and see about getting your visage put on Mt. Rushmore and maybe we can get you photoshopped into that painting with the other Founding Fathers. Wow! You must have gone through years of indoctrination to come to the conclusion that anyone who disagrees with the failure of world liberalism is somehow no better than a guy who beats animals. Yep, you took my thinking to a whole new level and I know I'll be heading out to get my Obamalev button and sign up for my subscription to The Nation. Call Katrina for me and tell her I want to buy in and join the editorial board so I can write long and poetic about your abilities to convince mankind of your genius in supporting losing ideas.

Look on the bright side of this: your cause has a perfect record - liberalism has failed 100% of the time where it has been tried. That kind of record is hard to beat.

rodman| 4.19.10 @ 12:52AM

That's a very non-responsive response. Ignore all my points, blather on about what a drone I am and finish off with an unsupported, unsupportable, sweeping generalization.

Look up Legatum prosperity index and look at the list of 'liberal' democracies at the top. Failures? By what measure?

robert| 4.19.10 @ 6:31PM

I took your advice and went to The Legatum Prosperity website and this is what I found, "The Legatum Prosperity Index is the world’s only global assessment of wealth and wellbeing; unlike other studies that rank countries by actual levels of wealth, life satisfaction or development, the Prosperity Index produces rankings based upon the very foundations of prosperity – those factors that help drive economic growth and produce happy citizens over the long term." What is glaring missing is a statement of the index’s that are measure in favor of a broad brushed statement regarding, “…factors that help drive economic growth and produce happy citizens over the long term.”; in short objectivity replaced by subjectivity. Since at best statistic can be manipulate to say whatever you want them to – just look at global warming statistics – having the data as narrowly defined as possible – the antithesis of The Legatum Prosperity Index – will yield the more accurate result. The Legatum Prosperity Index would be better named the The Leftist Liberal Prosperity Index.
One thing I will agree with in their index is, “Personal Freedom – the degree to which individuals can choose the course of their lives”. With Obama running hell-bent toward socialism I say the Fins are well ahead of us in that area.

rodman| 4.22.10 @ 6:16PM

First, among other 'right leaning' entities, Forbes Magazine agrees that the Legatum Index provides a reliable, and comprehensive assesments of the success of an society.

You said "Liberalism has failed 100% of the time where it has been tried." but offered no proof. I offered proof to the contrary and you renamed it, thinking that would show I was wrong.

The Legatum Index does pretty thoroughly debunk your assertion that Liberalism always fails. You may not like it - that is your choice, but the assertion of it's universal failure is totally unsubstantiated.

Got any thing to back up that assertion?

Rodman| 4.22.10 @ 6:21PM

@ Robert,

Please disregard the portion of my comment directed at Publius' assertion that Liberalism always failed. It should say "Publius said Liberalism has always failed..." instead of "You said..." My mistake.

However - renaming the Index to suit your prejudices while it may make you feel better, doesn't really counter my point.

danfromatlanta| 4.19.10 @ 5:59PM

Well, at least there was no trampling of the Constitution in the process under Republicans. And if you bemoan the way dumbocraps had no voice, I suggest you review the way Republicans were treatwed when they were minorities before the Republican revolution for 40 years, and then now. I say, when we regain both houses of congress, the dumbocraps be shut out of both houses completely. We want our country back!

Rodman| 4.22.10 @ 6:30PM

There it is. In perfect focus: The absolute absence of principle that now dominates the Right.

You don't even seem to realize the hypocrisy in simultaneoulsy bemoaning the "way Republicans were treatwed when they were minorities..." and then bragging about how the Democrats will be "shut out" after the GOP gains control.

By the way, what "trampling of the consititution" are you referring to? Be specific, what was done and how did it contradict the constitution. Was it the horrendous act of passing a bill through reconciliation? (Done 5 times during the GOP majority between 2000 and 2006)?

Or are we just circling back on the plastic standards principle: "right when I do it, wrong when you do it"?

I'd been under the impression that a fundamental tenant of a just, Godly, particularly a Christian people was "do unto others as you'd have them do to you".

Think about your total contradiction of that precept next time you say "One nation, under God".

Kedrick Nitychell| 4.16.10 @ 11:35PM

Do you guys really know what a Nazi is? Is everyone who isn't a conservative a Nazi. I think you need to read a history book. Even Dwight Eisenhower (in case you never heard of him, he defeated the Nazi's) was put off by the conservatives who tried to portray him as easy on communists. You looney bins on the far right tell lies to prove their points because you are to lazy to actually search for the facts. That requires reading and thought. Remember what happened in the 2008 elections? The extremists were voted out by a long shot. Americans are sick and tired of the looney bins and it showed. We have a black president (don't you hate it?) who not only reads books, he writes books too. I'm looking forward to George W's book. That will be a humdinger.

Bill Liberty| 4.16.10 @ 11:55PM

Right on!!

Publius| 4.17.10 @ 6:27PM

NAZI is a contraction of National Socialism - the NAZI party acronym was actually NDSAP; a far left organization of socialists who did what all socialists do when they realize it can't work and run out of other people's money to spend - they start a war. One thing you can say about socialism and leftist policies; they sure are efficient killers of human-beings. In the 20th century alone socialism (and it's violent stepchild called "communism") accounted for more than 100 million murders around the world.

Yeah, you could say I know quite a bit about what Nazi means, Mr. Nitychell and apparently you need a refresher. I'm a military historian and economist so I'd be glad to continue your education.

carnot| 4.18.10 @ 4:55PM

it's up for debate...according to some recent works...whether Maobama wrote those books or not. it's also interesting that some recent probes are beginning to reveal he wrote almost nothing at Columbia, Chicago and Harvard.

The interesting thing about the Left is that they will build a myth to the point they actually come to believe it. This man is a fraud...has been...will remain so.

martin j smith| 4.15.10 @ 7:17AM

I think that political leanings very often depend on your social situation such as for example the political leanings of your friends,neighbors and family. I other words the desire to " fit in". Yet this motivation is very losse as I can testify. The real issue that can more strongly influence ones leaning is your actual day to day experience. For example, when I was i8nvolved with the "Peace" movement I discovered thaqt many groups were not at all for "peace" but were basically anti-American. Even Quaker groups who supposedly have a religious traition of CO status struck as being rather inconsistant in their supporting the enemy. Certainly my encounter with Anachists, Black radical groups, and other s showed me these folks were not for "peace" at all they were against the US winning a war--period.
Then there was the Crown Heights riots-a progrom against Jewish people tolerated by liberal Left Democrat Mayor David Dinkins--I voted for Rudy Guiliani. Then there was 9/11 and the atrocious behavior of the Democrat Party which to this day shows me that they cannot be trusted with national security. I am an independent believing that neither the R or the D can be trusted. But I am sympathetic with the Tea Party folk which at this time is our best hope to save this country.

chalkdust| 4.15.10 @ 1:59PM

Independent, Mien Got!.....remind me again which political tribe (or non-tribe or anti-tribe) put Obama over the top.
For the life of me I do not know to what purpose or why a person grandly proclaims to be an "Independent" during these times or any time for that matter? These are days for heading to one barricade or the other, rally cries, men and women pledging their blood and treasure for freedom or larger and bigger government.

Alan Brooks| 4.15.10 @ 6:56PM

"But I am sympathetic with the Tea Party folk which at this time is our best hope to save this country."

Worse than you think:
some Tea Party people are Buchaninites.
Politics in the 21st century doesn't merely foster strange bedfellows, it can only be described in coprophilic terms.

Alan Brooks| 4.15.10 @ 6:58PM

sorry, Buchananites-- not Buchaninites.

Isolationists.

...latter day Lindberghites.

Stephen| 4.18.10 @ 10:17AM

Oh, is it afraid of Pat? Maybe Mel is your worst problem not Foxman allowing all of those Muslims who love you soooo much into the country. A dirty word is dirty no matter what level of erudition you are trying to profess. It's OK we don't expect you to be able to spell when you slobber with hate.

Tim*| 4.15.10 @ 7:25AM

Tea Party Tax Day Rallies Today , April 15th , Across America !

We Walk The Talk , Today !

Purpleguy| 4.15.10 @ 7:33AM

First, you have conveniently forgotten that 72% of the American people favor having a Public Option for Healthcare, a Medicare for all program. That will be the next item for Healthcare Reform.
Restraint? It is clear that Conservatives are ruled by emotion, whether over abortion rights, healthcare or defense of the country. Case in point, "Death Panels", and "Killing Grandma" to motivate resistance to the Healthcare bill, paid for by corporate interests I might add (Americans for Prosperity, Koch Industries) or anyone remember "Terry Schiavo" case where the entire Federal Government was tied up over 1 woman's horrible plight regarding the "sanctity of life". Now that's an emotional stretch really ruling your conservative soul. Or how about "bomb, bomb, bomb bomb, bomb Iran? That's indicative of your chosen Commander-in-Chief, had he won the election. Our President is defusing the nuclear threat posed by Terrorists with his new nuclear program by gathering up the nukes and with a mild reduction in Russian and US nukes. Can you imagine the hot-headed, flip-flopping ("I'm no Maverick") Grandpa McCain with his finger on the trigger - now THAT's scary.
The conservative libido is like the greedy whore - "I can't get enough, as long as there's cash in it for me. " And, "Even if I don't like you - as long as you pay me, I'm yours baby!"

Tom| 4.15.10 @ 7:42AM

A citation for the 72% claim? Because all of the polling data I have seen hovers around the 50% mark. A plurality or a slight majority in favor of a public option, which of course is meaningless since the costs associated with such an option were not widely discussed in the press. If you polled people and asked if they were for a public option for Lear jets a majority probably would answer "Yes", the real question is does that same majority believe the obvious benefit is worth the cost? Until that debate happens and people can make informed decisions polling data is meaningless.

Stuart Koehl| 4.15.10 @ 8:23AM

You now get an inkling as to why liberals would prefer a parliamentary system of government. As one European lawmaker put it to me, "Fifty percent plus one means we can do whatever we please".

Tim| 4.15.10 @ 8:50AM

It also helps to have no bill of rights or a constitution.

canuckistani| 4.15.10 @ 9:19AM

The last true GOP president was Ike. It took a battle-worn general to recognize interstate commerce, and bold grand projects to mobilize Americans. He also recognized we were on the verge of permanent war against enemies no-one really understood, but were necessary to create a climate of fear that has pervaded today.
The GOP since then:
Nixon - huge overtures to our "enemies", but had a fatal flaw that cost this country years of progress.
Reagan - great communicator, but four final years of senility opened the door to Iran-Contra, S&L and the expansion of the military complex Nero would have been impressed with.
Bush 41 - MFN for China and broken tax promises.
Bush 43 - Where does one begin?
I have voted GOP my whole life and every time I get disappointed with the inability of my choices to stay on point and fight military and corporate whispers into their ears. It has to stop because these flaws have cost Americans more in real growth than any activist liberal has in over a hundred years.
Obama, although flawed in his trust of Pelosi and Reid, is attempting to correct imbalances that have grown since Nixon gave Kaiser the blank check to start HMOs.
As a lover of freedom first above any quaint social fad, women and minorities are citizens too. Who are we to decide they do not have the same freedoms as white men of means? Start there and decide what side you are on. Freedom or oppression?

Doorgunner| 4.15.10 @ 10:09AM

You are a moby troll, and your knowledge of history sucks. Review MFN status for China and HMO legislation in the 80's and then don't get back to us.

canuckistani| 4.15.10 @ 2:31PM

I get to be as revisionist as needed when people fail to recognize that history is passing them by with their expectations the American people want to get off the government teat. What is the alternative without going back through successive administrations to determine where we jumped the rails?
It turns my stomach to see billion dollar corporations accepting government welfare, and middle America farmers gorging at the subsidy trough for a generation. It amazes me when jobs vanish in important markets and we fail to realize competitiveness is not a valid measure when partner countries like China are given a free pass and entry to our retail channels.
I believe in free markets, but I am against winfall profiteering - especially when it's underwritten by the very structures we need supported by the people.
We are sadly distracted by small issues like abortion and gay marriage and guns, when we should be focused on what we do with millions of boomers that will sack our balance sheets for the next 50 years. Eventually, when the cupboeard is truly bare, a leader will emerge to sock us in the mouths and tell the truth. If you want a welfare state - and we know Americans do - then you have to pony up. And the GOP's past transgressions of cutting and running away from these problems has to stop.

Curtis Rasmussen| 4.15.10 @ 2:26PM

Communistani

The final sentence sums up your argument well. Racist douchebag, people are free to decide for themselves. It is not, nor will it ever be, your decision. Minorites are not children granted freedoms by the likes of socialists like you. Freedom is an inalienable right.

Unfortunately, Obama has taken the right to freely choose away, just like you prefer.

MTB| 4.15.10 @ 3:34PM

Thank you, Curtis. Great remark to an obvious communist/socialist/democrat/fascist troll.

Kedrick Nitychell| 4.16.10 @ 11:48PM

You got it right. Ike was a great republican. A truly accomplished man. Let's compare George W to Ike. Let's compare Reagan with Ike. Oh well, never mind. You get the point. The republican party is in disarray and cannot be taken seriously except that they have all those guns and itchy fingers. God help us.

Purpleguy| 4.15.10 @ 1:41PM

Here ya go ... http://www.reuters.com/article.....7220091203 ... but of course it doesn't matter now, since it was removed from the HCR bill .. but there is steam in them thar hills....

Tom| 4.15.10 @ 3:01PM

The number in that article is 60% not 72%. From the same poll "Quality of healthcare will be better 12 months from now: 35 percent strongly disagree. 11.6 percent strongly agree. 29.9 percent put themselves in the middle." So I would say there is ample ground for Republicans to make gains on health care. People want everyone to be insured, they also do not trust the government to do it correctly. If the Republicans can find a way to A) insure more people and B) do it cheaper and with less government interference they will have a winning platform.

MTB| 4.15.10 @ 3:39PM

Also, this article was written on Dec 3. There were a lot of changed minds between Dec 3 and March when it was passed. I think we all agree that 25-40 million (Obama and the dems kept changing the stats) Americans should have access to healthcare, but the current law and the way it was rammed through is not the way. It's not going to improve anything, indeed, we're already starting to see the negative side-effects of the ObamaLaw. There was and is a better approach that combines the private sector and the gov't to ensure our fellow citizens have access to the best healthcare in the world.

Purpleguy| 4.16.10 @ 9:52AM

Come on, what denial - if the Republicans were going to do ANYTHING about healthcare reform, they would have done it since 1994 to 2008. Why didn't they? All they did was create the Medicare Drug benefit, which they didn't pay for and put on the deficit. Where were all you high and mighty wonders then that are now storming about the deficiencies in the Democratic HCR bill? The Republicans have no intention of doing anything on Healthcare, they never have, because they, and I'm guessing you do too, believe that any HCR bill would be a giveaway to the poor, lazy, good-for-nothings with no jobs, and worst of all with your hard-earned money - like you are the ONLY ones who pay taxes. I'm sure I pay more taxes than most on this site, but my Christian upbringing taught me to share and help those most in need. I am constantly amazed on the number of high paid people I work with that seem so greedy, and while they depend on the government services and live a good life in this civilization, when the government needs them to pony up to help others, they bitch and moan like a stuck pig. Greed is one of the Seven Deadly Sins people. Oh, and before y'all start complaining about where your tax money goes, I don't like everywhere it goes either. But, I am thankful I live in this country and if supporting it with my tax money keeps our people safe, healthy, educated, innovative and provides for ours and our children's futures, then so be it. Stop bitching and pay up - or shut up. Either way, you should stop and think what the true judge of your life and character is going to say one day - that we all must face.

Jarad| 4.16.10 @ 1:05PM

Could we please stop conflating Charity and confiscation of wealth by Gov't? And, though I'm sure you've recieved this request countless times, do a little research on charitable donations of liberals vs. conservatives. TIA.

When giving to charity, unless the charity is poorly run, almost all of the money goes directly to those in need. When taken by government to give to those "less fortunate", think of all the bureaucratic b*llshit and red tape (which is, I suspect, why the largest charities are the least effective in doling out assistance in many cases).

Now tell me which is more effective in helping those in need.

purpleguy| 4.16.10 @ 4:40PM

I conflate nothing - you just did. Your " bureaucratic b*llshit and red tape" are somebody else's job, dude. " Confiscate your wealth" is a nice right-wing selfish, greedy banker talking point, but in the real world it's called paying your way. And, good luck matching YOUR charitable contributions to what you pay the government in taxes. I suspect you talk a good charity game, but you don't deliver - unless you're forced to by the government. If you don't like the country, then leave. Otherwise pay up and shut up and count your blessings. When you see/hear people in trouble, remember, except by the grace of God there goes you.

Jarad| 4.16.10 @ 8:40PM

What part of my above post (and my below link) don't you understand, sir? I'm not going to sit here and have a pissing contest with you in what we pay in taxes and/or what we give to charity, I'm only illustrating one of the greatest fallacies in the liberal mindset.

Charity is charity and taxes are taxes. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. I have nothing against paying taxes for those things that the government provides that are useful to all citizens. What I have a problem with is your CONFLATION, yes, I said CONFLATION of government confiscation and redistribution of wealth and CHARITABLE giving, which is what you refer to when you talk about your Christian upbringing.

Jarad| 4.16.10 @ 8:46PM

And also, pertaining to your hackneyed "If you don't like it, leave" comment, I can't leave. There is no place on this good earth that is like America. But you know what? I have good news. You and your fellow travelers have a VERITABLE SMORGASBORD of other countries that embrace your "groupthink" mentality and obnoxious "gimme gimme gimme" attitude. I have a feeling, having read some of your other posts, you might have a little wealth envy/guilt weighing heavily on your soul as well.

Regardless, God Bless you sir, and I hope that everything you try in life you are successful at (barring the liberalization of America, of course.)

Jarad| 4.16.10 @ 1:12PM

And here's some help for you, I know it's an RCP article written by George Will, but the facts he outlines are hard to dispute. Feel free to try.

http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....l_giv.html

Publius| 4.17.10 @ 6:29PM

He doesn't have one because it doesn't exist. They poll people and ask, "if health care reform provided you with free health care would you support it?" "If health care reform ended pre-existing conditions, exclusions, would you support the it?"

Ted| 4.15.10 @ 9:39AM

Wild accusations, few (if any) facts, intellectual arrogance, and a great belief in the justness of your cause. You are indeed a leftist.

MikeBee| 4.15.10 @ 10:28AM

Ted,
You forgot projection. Liberals always project their own tendencies onto their opposition. He was calling conservatives emotional. That's a laugh. There's so much emotion on the liberal side of things one often wonders if you are surrounded by estrogen.

Purpleguy| 4.16.10 @ 9:58AM

Conservatives are emotional - "Baby Killer", "You Lie" , "Hell No" ... you think those screeds came from a moment of deep meditation? You all live in that right-wing echo chamber where each media outlet tells you that you are right, you are the only patriots, you are the only ones who care about their country, there is only us and them, and if they are not with you, they are against you. I think there was a time you were calmer people, but since the days of Newt Gingrich as Speaker of the House, those days are long gone. You like the Republicans because they will do anything to win ... that is how little boys are raised. It's no wonder most Republicans are white males .. it's a Testosterone society - but that's not emotional? That is really a joke.

MikeBee| 4.16.10 @ 10:52AM

Pguy,
What you are saying is an absolute joke. All of the major media outlets tell conservatives that they are wrong, and that there is something wrong with us for thinking the way we do. Instead, if you just have the right feelings and intentions, like liberals do, then everything you do is right, the media tell us. All a liberal needs is to have good intentions, like all liberal Democrats do, and none of their actions ever come into question.

Secondly, it's the Democrats who will do anything to win. Witness the Bush/Gore election debacle from years ago. AlGore hated the idea of losing to Bush so much that he began suing in the courts to win, since he couldn't win the actual count. Democrat lawyers and Democrat judges in Florida all instructing us how a hanging chad REALLY meant that the voter wanted to vote for AlGore. What rubbish! It is certainly Democrats who will do anything to win.

Finally, this lie perpetrated by liberals such as yourself that most Republicans are white males is pure nonsense. I just came from a Tea Party rally, where one of the keynote speakers was a black man. Many of the heavy thinkers and spokesmen/women of the Republican party and of conservatives in general are people of color and women. Basically, people who use their brain, not their heart, to vote make up the Republican party. This includes women and people of color. That is, except in the world of liberals, like yourself, who think that women and people of color are incapable of thinking rationally.

rodman| 4.16.10 @ 2:51PM

I love it how the Right brags about the total dominance of Fox News while pretending to not be mainstream and talking about others as 'the major media outlets'.

Oh, and watch John Boehner 's "Hell no you can't" rant and tell me that's "Disciplined" and not emotional.

Come on.

Purpleguy| 4.16.10 @ 4:48PM

Surely you are working the Comedy Club ... People who use their brain are Republican? Perhaps, but recent events to the contrary - George W Bush elected TWICE? We all know who his brain was. And, appointing Michael Steele as RNC chairman - now that was a brainy move. Oh, and the Tea Party movement is classic - a movement founded on the principles of the original Tea Partiers "No taxation without representation" - only the Republicans would stand for a cause that has no validity in the US today and support a movement for something you already have - Now that's brainy! And every time Sarah "winky dink" is on stage or screen and you all swoon over her because your own winky dink is moved .. that sure is the brain working - but is that the one above or below the waist? Facts don't matter in your world, only the party line. Remember, Democrats like to fall in love, Republicans like to fall in line (like good little Nazis). Nazism, now that was a brainiac paradise, huh?

MikeBee| 4.16.10 @ 5:43PM

Man, it's getting deep in here! It's really amazing that you would point to Republicans choosing GW Bush twice as evidence of a lack of brains. The lack of brains shows too clearly in electing such an inexperience imbecile as Obama even once! There are many folks today who are saying that they would vote for GW over Obama if there were an election between the two, given Obama' s complete and utter failure as President.

I'll give you that appointing Michael Steele wasn't a very hot move. But conservative Republicans didn't appoint him; the R leadership (which includes a lot of liberal-leaners) did.

The Tea Party is actually a very smart move. If you bothered to read and study history, you'd discover that it's only been since a constitutional amendment was passed in 1914 that it has been legal to tax peoples' income in the U.S. Since that time, there has been a consistent growth of government, to the point that they have surpassed 25% of GDP. Tea Partiers are simply against this continuous growth of government, and the consequent raising of taxes to pay for it. What they are saying makes a lot of sense. Decrease the size and scope of government, and lower taxes to the most effective point on the Laffer curve.

Conservative Republicans don't swoon over Sarah Palin because of her looks, though I'll certainly admit that you liberals think we do, because if she were Democrat, that's just what you'd be doing, with how emotional liberals are. (Too bad your stuck with the likes/looks of Hillary, Janet Reno, and Nancy Pelosi.) No, conservatives like Sarah because she espouses our principles and beliefs, plain and simple. Sure, she happens to be good-looking; but, unlike liberal Democrats like Bill Clinton, we are able to restrain our emotions and keep our perspective. Once again, it's liberal Democrats who think below the belt, starting with the lovefest at Woodstock many years ago.

Finally, it's the liberal Democrats who all fall in line (like good little Nazis). They always vote as a block. This is why they are able to enact legislation when they have a majority. On the other hand, Republicans never are able to get anything done, because, even when they have the majority, too many in their ranks don't want to fall in line with the majority (e.g., John McCain). No, your Nazism paradise is another example of the result of liberal thinking and action.

Man, your thinking is a living example of contradiction! This is too easy..................

Publius| 4.17.10 @ 6:32PM

And yet you would be wrong. Mr. Obama's undergraduate grade point was lower than Mr. Bush's grade point - and, oh by the way, Nazis were (and are) socialists from the political left. You guys think you are so smart, but you spew things that are so stupid. When you get some facts, come on back and I'll thrash you again. It's a fair division of labor; you say stupid things and I make you look even stupider.

rodman| 4.19.10 @ 1:29AM

@ Publius. Your arrogance and posturing don't quite fully compensate for the total lack of substance in your comments.

Regarding the GPA - your sources are?

But, if your going to say that grades matter, let's look at Sarah Palin, John McCain and Dick Cheney, shall we?

Cheney: flunked out of Yale then joined community college and completed a masters to avoid the draft.

McCain: Bottom of the class.

Palin: 6 different colleges, finally a BA in Communications. No grades released.

Obama: Magna Cum Laude at Harvard Law. (Sure, lot's of stupid people can do that - it's not really challenging like a communications degree from Idaho.)
It's also very unlikely that Obama gets into Harvard Law without a GPA over 3.3 That would put him a bit above Bush's cummulative GPA of 2.7.

H| 4.20.10 @ 12:33AM

uh...liberals ARE baby killers....that's not an emotional outburst, that is a FACT...

Peter McGrath| 4.15.10 @ 9:57AM

Purpleguy's astonishing, brainless screed (above) is indicative of the uphill slog against uninformed ignorance, pusillanimity, and downright upleasantness that looms with the coming election.

Tyrell's point is well taken: through hyperventilation, hyprocrite Leftists easily ignore the contradictions inherent with their world-view. Liberalism really is a mental disease.

Petronius| 4.15.10 @ 12:06PM

Right on Pete
I was like him at 19. Then one day a "rich" white guy cured my sandbox mentality. Today he's my stock broker. We usually see each other at the symphony.
Jerry's dead. I'm grateful.

Eric Cartman| 4.15.10 @ 2:58PM

I'm Purplegump! I'm a regular Joe, Joe Six-Pack, Six-Pack Working Stiff, Stiff Neck Union Worker, Working For The Man, Man of the House, House Broken, Broke and in Debt! I watch The Ed Show and suck on the screen when Olbermann comes on! They stick up for us regular Joes! I was working at the pillow case plant (Inspector 12) making $25.57 an hour staring at rectangle cloth all day until The Man sent my job to Little Dix Village, West Indies so a 12 year old could do it for 33 cents an hour! I didn't want to move to any place called Little Dix, since I have a problem in that area (if ya know what I mean), so I had to go into therapy! How can I pay for therapy on 33 cents an hour! You can't! I need Obamacare! I need some personal time to reflect!

That's right, I'm Purplegump! Fighting for the little guy (don't go there!) Obama's my hero, cause he's stickin it to the Man, the Man who sent my job to Little Dix! He'll tax the Man and get me my operation and I'll be able to visit my old job on Little Dix with my heads held high! Woooohoooo! I'm Purplegump and I'm gettin my implant!

Purpleguy| 4.16.10 @ 10:01AM

Well, you did make me LOL - and you conservatives are not emotional - thanks for making my point. I wish you all luck in making anywhere near my salary, but methinks you protest too much.

Anoldguy| 4.16.10 @ 12:01PM

Everyone blames the President for the situation the nation finds itself. It's the 435 members of congress that make the laws, spend the money and screw up the country. Try electing honest people that will not be career politicians and maybe our country will have a chance to recover from the worst economic disaster that has occured in my 75 years of following the stupidity of the voting public.

Yosemeti Sam| 4.15.10 @ 7:46AM

" ... Liberal political libido ...."

And just what exactly is their - Viagra?

Watermelons?

Ray| 4.15.10 @ 7:57AM

Their Viagra? Unimpeded control over the behavior others, but not their own.

Publius| 4.17.10 @ 6:33PM

Bulls eye.

canuckistani| 4.15.10 @ 8:54AM

You're an idiot, and it's the reason your pols and the rest of the world are taking advantage of hayseed morons like you.
When the middle-class is gone, the only American industry left will be security and window-bar services, likely supplied by foreign companies.
America has evolved into what it is today, the greatest nation, due to transformative steps over the years. If it stayed inert, as you obviously prefer to want, there would be no middle-class to underpin the structures the constitution implied were required in a growing evolving country.
It's you who has walked away from the project.
Quitter. Explain to your kids in the simple language of the inert: stupid is as stupid does.

GreyLion| 4.15.10 @ 12:24PM

Hey nookie
What the hockysticks are you talking about?
Why are you unloading on Sam? All he said was that the lefties eat too many magic watermelons.
Truth hurt does it?

canuckistani| 4.15.10 @ 2:46PM

"Watermelons", really?
Another euphemism like "real" America?
C'mon, I resent lefty blue-sky social engineering like the next guy, but suggesting lefties and righties are different at a genetic level is the same as the theories stating religious people are generally dumber than atheists, and that asians are smarter than whites who are smarter than blacks. We have a black man in the WH - and he's dumber than all the douchebag prosemeisters who write on this blog?
Dumb rhetoric works some of the time, but like the Romans: give them bread and circuses, and the dems live that mantra every day.
Unless you have plan to convince the masses the jig is up and make it a winning strat, then we'll be stuck with the burgeoning welfare state for generations.

Curtis Rasmussen| 4.15.10 @ 3:50PM

Ignore this girl. She pulled the race card once already on this blog and has already lost the argument.

MTB| 4.15.10 @ 3:43PM

If, as you say, America is today the greatest nation, then there is no need for change, is there? Except, your hero, Obama and his dem cohorts insist that America is broken and needs to be reshaped, changed.

As for "stupid is as stupid does," you surely would know, wouldn't you?

Louis Jenkins| 4.15.10 @ 8:18AM

I'm glad to see trolls have not been aborted. (Too bad!! You might be saying.) None-the-less, I dare say even trolls have the sense of feeling pain even earlier than 20 weeks in utero. Lets be honest, the feebliest of these have rights. That includes the unborn.

Melvin| 4.15.10 @ 8:30AM

Liberals want to change this Country's values to more reflect their European brethren across the pond.

My response is, "Fine...Leave then."

It stands to reason. If Liberals want to embrace European style of governance and social programs, then why go through all the trouble and fight to change the majority of us that do not want nothing to do with that type of standard.
We shouldn't have to be forcibly changed, that is why many of our forefathers left Europe to begin with.
Liberals are completely free to reverse migrate to France, England, and many other European States that have had socialism as their standard since the end of World War 2.
Maybe President Obama can give them tax credits and special incentives to leave this Country because one thing is for sure as the Sun coming up in the morning...I 'm not changing. I'm an American and live by the values and principles of an American. I'm not German, I'm not English, and I'm not French and don't expect me or any other American to live like them.
Oh, and by the way a personal message to all Liberals, "Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out."

Happy| 4.15.10 @ 9:12AM

Except that you're not the majority...

Melvin| 4.15.10 @ 9:29AM

Hmmm, go ahead in live in your little world, the gravy train is about to stop.

GreyLion| 4.15.10 @ 12:28PM

Yo, Hap,
Have some watermelon, it will take your mind off the pain. Call me in the morning if you are pregnant.

MTB| 4.15.10 @ 3:45PM

Nope, not yet, but we will be, in just a few months. Unless, of course, ACORN (or whatever they're calling themselves these days) steals the election by stuffing ballot boxes with dead peoples names and fictional characters.

Joe| 4.15.10 @ 9:08AM

For years I believed in the "creation: story and have always had a hard time believing in evolution, evolving from nothing and apes. I must confess that I have changed my mind. I now believe both. The creation story is true and God created conservatives and evolution is true and evolved liberals which explains their lack of logic because of thier beginnings (nothing).

Otis, my man!| 4.15.10 @ 9:19AM

What you are describing is called "Devolution."

Liberals are proof of Devolution. Res Ipsa Loquitor.

Tim| 4.15.10 @ 9:33AM

"The Liberal has the political libido of a nymphomaniac, at times of a sex offender. It is impossible to restrain. "

I was going to say that this was over the top, but really, Big Billie's White House sojourn forever changed all that.

MikeBee| 4.15.10 @ 10:41AM

Tim,
RET's statement is very true. Once, I had to spend four days in a seminar with a very liberal fellow employee. Worse, we had to drive together to the seminar (3 hour drive each way). Early in the drive, the topic of electric cars came up, while he was driving 60 mph on a 70-mph-freeway, with normal folks angrily passing him. I mentioned that hybrids were a good idea whose time had not yet come, as plugging a hybrid in simply burns dirty coal right now. Big mistake. I spent the rest of the four day trip having to listen to his liberal rantings -- very emotional, mostly lacking facts, blaming Bush for everything, you-know-the-screed. It was as if the floodgates had been opened. His liberal rantings were non-stop, and even continued during meals with other seminar guests, dominating all conversation, while most of the guests would politely look at themselves, wishing he would simply shut up.

Yup. Like a child sex offender in the middle of an elementary school playground, on Viagra. Gaaaaaaaahhhhhh!

MTB| 4.15.10 @ 3:49PM

I had a similar experience, but not to the extent of w hat you went through. I was in a short-term class (1 week) with a liberal. We started debating before the class started on day 1. I don't remember the discussion, but when I countered his liberal views he said, "Don't oversimplify it." What?! It was his liberal way of saying he couldn't argue facts with me, so he tried to "wow" me with his dizzying intellect by trying to make me feel small for "oversimplifying" what was obviously, to him, a very complicated issue.

Tim| 4.15.10 @ 3:53PM

Ha! I do know the screed. I am particularly fond of the doofus who declares to people he has just met that religious believers are idiots. Using much more derogatory language of course.

davelnaf| 4.15.10 @ 9:40AM

Americans have never before been this disaffected with the whole lot of the political class in Washington. Only fools or far left zombies approve of the job Congress is doing. Some of its good and some of its marginal members will survive the voter gauntlet they all will have to run over the next three years. But will the resulting political blood-letting be enough to change their primary instinct to lavishly buy votes with taxpayers’ money whenever and wherever it is deemed necessary? Any reasonable person that dreads the alternative to this out of control government fervently hopes so.

MTB| 4.15.10 @ 3:52PM

I know you're right, but I hope you're wrong. I would like to see every single democrat running for election voted out or shut down (if not running for RE-election). I think the American people need to send an unequivocal message to the democrat party that if they want to remain in existence, they'd better knock off their arrogant, illegal, narrow-minded views and methods because we, the American people, have had enough. Howard Dean is the architect of the dem takeover in Congress, and he did it through nonstop lies and with the help of voter fraud. We can't let that happen again or I fear America, as we knew her, is lost.

Ken (Old Texican)| 4.15.10 @ 10:13AM

Folks,
The tea-party movement needs every ...body who wants to be productive...engaged in a long slogging fight against the levelers/thieves/traitors who now run our government.

The communists, (pardon the shorthand), who come here and whine their prepared talking points should only be viewed as losers who are a party to the above thievery.
If ANY of them were earning a living doing meaningful work, they simply would not be here screeching "gimmie gimmie gimmie".

Richard | 4.15.10 @ 11:03AM

Conservatives want the government to leave us alone as much as possible. Liberals want the government to control us as much as possible. That is the difference.

MTB| 4.15.10 @ 3:53PM

Pure and simple. Well put.

Margie| 4.15.10 @ 4:44PM

I second that emotion.
And conservatives are willing to fight to keep our freedom. Liberals want none of the fight but all of the spoils.

Lullaby's, Legends and Lies| 4.15.10 @ 9:55PM

Hi Margie!! I hope Uncle Sam didn't steal all your money today, like he did every other taxpayer across our Great Nation. But remember, November's coming soon, so hold out a little longer, because "good" change is coming for everybody (for real this time). You're seeing it, up close and personally already, in New Jersey, with your new Governor. As the old saying goes, the longest journey starts with just one step, and the Great State of New Jersey took a giant one. As a New Yorker who used to like to goof on Jersey for a laugh from time to time (you're from Jersey? really? what exit?), well I'm not laughing at the Garden State anymore. I'm laughing at the Empire State now, who just never seem to learn from their past mistakes. The State sucks, vote Democrat, our taxes are too high, vote Democrat, welfare spending is out of control, vote Democrat, the Unions are destroying the budget, give them a raise, and then vote Democrat, it's a sick, sad circle they're stuck in. What a shame!! Will the Great State of New York ever learn? We'll see in November!!

Margie| 4.15.10 @ 11:22PM

Hi LL&L! Nice of you to say howdy. Uncle Sam take my money? Well of course! And he will be giving it to somebody else shortly, maybe Senator so and so's great health care package, or an ACORN or SEIU thug for on the job "protection" against us normal Americans at the next T.E.A. party, since we are just SO out of hand. Or maybe to fuel AirForce One's tanks for the next Obama fly (scare) over.

As to NJ~ yeah it IS a dumb state, LOL.. but finally enough people woke up here elected Chris Christie, who if he doesn't get taken out by a Union thug, will make us proud. He's great. I wish I could work for him personally. I hope he even runs for Prez.

I was born in upstate NY and moved to NJ when I was one year old. Then, at 20 I moved around NYC area for several years, now back here since '92. Now everyone knows my life story but who cares? It's just you & me talking here, right? Got relatives in Albany & Schenectady. I think you said you're farther up?

Anyhow, Sgt. Lullabye's, keep safe and thanks for what you do for us, the U.S.A.!
There's plenty of hope come November because people are awake now. Just so long as they vote Republican!
God bless.

Lullaby's, Legends and Lies| 4.16.10 @ 8:49AM

Margie: What were you doing up so late for last night? Where you still out at the Tea Party? Personally, I went straight to bed after I wrote that, because the Army's trying to kill me, one running mile at a time, so I'm really very tired.

So you're an original New Yorker, huh? I always knew there was a reason why I liked you!! Actually, I liked you right away, because you're always cheery, even while doing battle with our Liberal foes here (it must just be the New Yorker in you). As for me, my family got here from Ireland in the 1920's, and they were dropped off at Ellis Island, and we never got much farther than that (everybody's still in the Tri-State area, except for me). So, I'm Bronx born, but raised in a small town Upstate (but then again, any part of New York, outside of the five Boroughs is considered Upstate). But I only lived about 60 miles away from the City, in Putnam County (named after the Great General from the Revolution), but it was a million miles away from the decadence of the Big Apple (a town where you could leave your keys in your car), so it was more like Mayberry really, but I still do love the Big City anyway.

Governor Christie for President? If he keeps going the way he is so far, I think I could get behind him too (that's because, there's no room in front of him, "rimshot"!!). Sorry, I had to take the shot!! Actually, I heard he's on a diet, and plans on running in a 5K soon, as another promise to the people he represents, and I wish him luck on that. You see, it turns out, that they moved his refrigerator, 5 Kilometers away from his office, so that's as far as he's got to run, if he wants to eat again. Hey, what am I to do? I'm a New Yorker!!

Rodman| 4.16.10 @ 2:38PM

Leave you alone? Like when they violate the constitution, gather and review all of your phone records to see if you are saying something mean about GW?

Leave you alone? Like when they, in violation of the constitution, decided that the President can unilaterally asign anyone 'enemy combatant' status, including American citizens and then 'leave them alone' in prison, stripped by that 'status' of any constitutional rights?

Leave you alone? Like when they accused (and still do accuse) of treason, anyone who expresses dissent regarding the 'war on terror'?

Leave you alone? Like when they grant the idle rich, investor class license to pillage the wealth of the country then 'leave you alone' to pay for it when the house of cards collapses.

The working , wage-earners will be 'left alone' with the tax bill for the bank bailouts if Conservatives regain power and then cut, or eliminate capital gains taxes so those who created this mess can take their future ill-gotten gains to Bermuda, tax free.

Leave you alone? Like when they pass laws to regulate who can marry whom?
Seriously?
Where in the Constitution does it grant the government the power to regulate MARRIAGE?

WHERE?

Also, I seem to remember something in that document about a 'declaration of war'. How many wars have we seen now, sans declaration? No Constitutional objections?

But somehow all the johnny-come-lately Constructionists miss these contradictions while reciting their handler's scripts about how health care reform is 'unconstitutional'.

This is like the thief who points accross the street and shouts "thief!" then picks your pocket while you look away.

Fortunately for them. You are all so enamored with the illusion of the "evil left' that you seem to never look to the right to see who's really robbing you.

goldman| 4.15.10 @ 11:21AM

The percentage of people who support medicare for all, or the most desirable form of single payer health care in the US, is closer to 60%. Here's a link: http://www.medicareforall.org/.....ns_Support

Track down the links that organization lists to check for veracity.

Obama's mistake was that he didn't use his political capital on medicare for all, instead he chose to use it on pushing through (agreed) an unpopular health "reform bill."

Richard L. Kent, Esq.| 4.15.10 @ 4:08PM

The percentage of people who support medicare for all, or the most desirable form of single payer health care in the US, is closer to 60%. Here's a link: http://www.medicareforall.org/.....ns_Support >>

Your sample is uselessly biased, as it did not include the aborted.

Anthony| 4.15.10 @ 11:40AM

Restraint is not a word in the liberal lexicon, except when applied to conservatives.
Truth be told; Mr. Tyrrell is absolutely correct about the liberal mind, because at the heart of the liberal's desire for change is the desire for destruction, aka nihilism.

Purpleguy| 4.15.10 @ 12:30PM

I cite statistics that are only unverifiable but demonstrably false, yet, I stand by them! I am a liberal and I don't have to prove anything! If I say it it's so!

Purpleguy| 4.15.10 @ 1:15PM

Okay, now you've confirmed any suspicion that the right-wing is devious, using my own name instead of having the guts to use your own. When you're ready to have a conversation like a real adult I'll be here ... but until then, Have a nice day!

RAMIII| 4.15.10 @ 1:47PM

Purpleguy, everybody who is a thinking person knows that the previous "Purpleguy" wasn't you. Aren't you reacting emotionally to the post. You are rather humorless.

fa·ce·tious [fuh-see-shuhs]
–adjective
1.not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.

sat·ire [sat-ahyuhr]
–noun
1.the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.

Peter McGrath| 4.15.10 @ 2:31PM

I've gotta take Purpleguy's side on this one. It is really bad form (i.e., poor netetiquette bordering on bad manners) to use someone else's handle, on any post, any blog, for any reason. Purp, I got your back on this one.

Norman Conquest| 4.15.10 @ 3:04PM

Okay, now you've confirmed any suspicion that the right-wing is devious...
Devious? Sort of like infiltrating a peaceful and lawful protest with offensive signs and behavior to try and discredit said protest? My my, you lefties certainly do have a skewed view of reality.

MTB| 4.15.10 @ 3:56PM

Can we also add hate-filled (eggs, threats, assaults, planned infiltrations at Tea Party rallies, attempt to secure Tea Party member Privacy Act information which could possibly lead to identify theft, etc)?

Purpleguy| 4.16.10 @ 4:53PM

Precisely what the young republicans expect their members to do at a protest ... thanks for confirming. How about seeding a town hall with demonstrators supplied with How-to instructions to interrupt the meeting, rattle the speaker and generally make a nuisance of yourself so nothing gets done ... Now I've seen THAT myself ... Have you seen the instructions - I have ... way to be "grass roots" paid for by the American Association of Insurers.

Catherine| 4.15.10 @ 12:43PM

In a nutshell...Liberal/Progressive = Negative outlook; Conservative = Positive outlook

Purpleguy| 4.16.10 @ 4:55PM

Wow ... y'all are filled with positive outlook .. are you sure you don't mean HIV positive? 'Cause you sure all sound pretty negative to me. The government is out to get you, they steal your money, they're robbing you of your country... "Kill the Bill", "Baby Killer", "You Lie" - hmmmph - show me one post on here that a conservative has posted with a positive outlook. In a nutshell, you're a wingnut ...

Richard L. Kent, Esq.| 4.15.10 @ 1:10PM

civilized Americans still call a fetus>>

No. Civilized Americans call them citizens.

Purpleguy| 4.15.10 @ 1:51PM

You rabid right-wingers are really getting under my skin! Not only did you steal my name but your posts are far more clever and succinct than anything I could devise on my own! Stop it this minute! Stop it I say! I'm about to stamp my feet!

Tim| 4.15.10 @ 3:55PM

Get used to it...

Purpleguy| 4.16.10 @ 4:59PM

How intelligent again - don't tell me I'm wrong on anything - that would take facts and it's too much work - especially when the facts are not on your side. Afraid to come out from behind my handle? Do you desire me? Have I got your juices flowing? Do you want to be me? Well, I say to that No, Hell no you can't ! being my unemotional self I just decided to mimic John My-Coppertone-Didn't-Work Boner, that idiot Republican Minority leader of yours.

Purpleguy| 4.17.10 @ 9:51AM

So what if I am unable to clearly state an opinion? So what if my posts are an illogical stream of semi-formed thoughts and random insults? I'm a liberal so by definition I am smarter than all of you right-wingers on here!

Purpleguy| 4.17.10 @ 9:09PM

Thank you ... you made my point better than I could. Facts are pesky little devils that get in the way of your careful indoctrination into the right-wing ghetto echo chamber - our way or the highway. And, you have slurped it up like good little Hitler Youth. Have a nice day!

Chartreuse Idiot| 4.18.10 @ 2:15PM

The parody Purpleguy really has you nailed, though your obvious lack or perspicacity prevents you from seeing it. Anyway, keep amusing us with your witless rants. Few things are more amusing than a fool who thinks he's brilliant.

RAMIII| 4.15.10 @ 1:51PM

Mr. Tyrell,
Excellent article, once again exposing the uncomfortable positions that liberals find themselves in. You have a knack in showing the juxtaposition of liberal "thinking" vs. conservative principles.

Tocmann| 4.15.10 @ 1:52PM

Poll both liberals and conservatives about how pelvic liberty relates to human rights.

Whose humanity will follow what precedent?

goldman| 4.15.10 @ 2:07PM

What is the right wing optimistic about??? Not government (at least government that helps people), not human nature, not public education, not community... the right wing is very optimistic about militarism, capitalism (or at least this merger of corporate and state power that we have in the US), nationalism, and what else??? Orthodox religion? Family (at least when they're not receiving any support from the state)? The point is I'm not sure Catherine's point means anything at all. Oh... I forgot, the right wing is optimistic that when Republicans are in power they will responsibly use unconstitutional executive powers (the unilateral executive) to "keep us safe." I am in no way confident that Obama will responsibly use expanded executive powers. What I find shocking is that the right wing was so willing to support the Bush administration's claims about the "unilateral executive."

Richard L. Kent, Esq.| 4.15.10 @ 4:05PM

What I find shocking is that the right wing was so willing to support the Bush administration's claims about the "unilateral executive." >>

Well, Mr. van Winkle, we're delighted to see you again. But a LOT has happened in the United States since you fell asleep. You see, back in September 2001, there was this little incident....

Pessimistical| 4.15.10 @ 3:28PM

You are only defining the current Goverment as out of control, because you are not in control. And you can't stand when anyone does something you don't agree with.

Where was your outrage when Bush passed the medicare prescription bill? When Reagan lead a deficit budget? You are hypocrites. You make foul-mouthed and insulting comments and call Liberals all sorts of names, throwing blame around like you have some better plan. Clearly you are the overly-emotional group! Continuously trying to foist your morals and so-called "small-tax small-government christian-country" beliefs on everyone else.

You're all insane!

Let the flames begin!

Gunga Din| 4.15.10 @ 3:41PM

Excellent parody of an inarticulate, inchoate, more-than-slightly addle-brained liberal. Very amusing.

Tocmann| 4.15.10 @ 4:19PM

"Continuously trying to foist your morals and so-called "small-tax small-government christian-country" beliefs on everyone else."

So, how is it that you are *not* foisting your beliefs on everyone else? Your relativistic position is wholly self-refuting.

Marc Jeric| 4.16.10 @ 2:24AM

Not so Sir: every time Reagan submitted his balanced budget to the House, that Massachussets creep (what's his name - leader of Democrat majority) would step out on the House steps proclaiming "Dead on arrival!" while carrying the budget books.

Eric(OfConservativeMind)| 4.23.10 @ 2:18AM

@Pessimistical

Unfortunately for me, I didn't start thinking politically until a couple years ago.

Had I embraced Conservatism during Bush's administration like I do now, it would have been very difficult to be happy about many decisions that he made. Hindsight is 20/20, eh?
Unfortunately, Bush was not a very great conservative. Looking back, Reagan really wasn't as conservative as he should have been. There are many politicians who clothe themselves in the mantle of the conservative, but have no business doing so(McCain, Snow, Graham, others...). We need to oust these politicians from their seats, now!

The expansion of the U.S. government and its 4th arm, the bureaucracy, needs to stop. Our governmental system was designed as a Federal system, not some top-down authoritarian style system, and our politicians need to remember that. There are some authoritarian regulations that make sense(Safety regulations among airlines, regulations against polluting our lakes and rivers, etc.), but there is a point beyond which the U.S. government should have no hold on its citizenry under its own code of law. The rest of the authority belongs to the States and their people.

The U.S. government was never intended to care for the ills of all the citizens living within its States. That is the job of the States, and not the U.S. government. Disastrously expensive social experimentation was left to the States via the Constitution and the 10th Amendment.

Though it states in general terms in Article 1, Section 8, that Congress was to lay taxes in order to provide for the "common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;...", this is far too ambiguous to state that Congress was intended to create a massive welfare State with the U.S. government as its center.

I don't care if Colorado, Michigan, Massachusetts, or any other State decides to become a Welfare State, but I'll be shot before I submit to the Statists and their vision of an overbearing U.S. government that has my "best interests" in mind while it censors my speech, takes my gun, and tells me how to live my life.

I'm a Christian who has no interest in foisting my beliefs upon people who have no interest in their Creator or his natural law; However I think we should stick to our original societal contract, the Constitution, you progressive Statists be damned.

chris haynes| 4.15.10 @ 7:54PM

To Mr Tyrell.

You idea for abortion is federalism. Let the locals decide . It's true that the hicks are reliably wiser than the intelligensia, but your idea is just further evidence of that. At best, the idea is amoral. But, if you will pardon my bluntness, it would be more accurate to say it is stupid.

Either the state has a duty to protect innocent human life or it doesnt. If it does, then abortion should be stopped, by any means necessary, for there is nothing else like it in the innocence or number of victims. Crimes against humainity are hardly matters for local decision or federalism.

RAMIII| 4.16.10 @ 11:51AM

"abortion should be stopped, by ANY MEANS necessary"

Are you insane, dude? Do you even know what you are saying? Who decides what is necessary.

BTW the real root of abortion is the desire for sex/pleasure without consequences. (i.e. I don't want to pay the price for my behavior.) Remember what the euphemism "Birth Control" means. It started with the pill, etc. etc.

tedh754| 4.15.10 @ 10:34PM

How come so many unwanted pregnancies when we always here how everyone is supposed to use condoms? Are these the same people who say we need more education about AIDS? Doesn't seem to me that they are any use if they aren't being used.
Unless they are failing, in which case anyone would be crazy to risk their health on a small piece of latex.

Marc Jeric| 4.16.10 @ 2:28AM

Based on the rationale for "abortion rights" which "emanated from the penumbras of the Constitution", we could also smell the communism from the same penumbras. You know - there should be no rich people as long as there are poor among us. That's the working rule of Democrats led by Abu Hussein from Kenya, our committed marxist-leninist Community Organizer-in-Chief.

FTM| 4.16.10 @ 3:11AM

In regards to the abortion issue, I think that everybody is hyperventilating a lot. I think that abortion should be available to all on demand. There's a method to my madness, please consider...

Let the girls that want to marry girls, marry girls. Let the boys that want to marry boys, marry boys. Let the women that want to kill their unborn babies kill their unborn babies. Ten or fifteen years from now there won't be any more liberals. How could there be? They eliminate themselves. It's like Sun Tsu said folks, when your enemy is destroying himself try to stay out of his way. This isn't hard.

By what moral/ethical standard do you dictate your neighbor's his behavior when what he's engaged in has no effect on you? Is aborting a baby a stupid thing to do? Yes indeed it is. Have a baby. Have ten babies. Let the liberals kill their babies. Have you ever in your life successfully stopped a stupid person from doing something stupid? Stupidity is unstoppable. To quote Heinlein, "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, through education or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin. The victim can't help being stupid but stupidity is the only universal capital crime, the sentence is death, there is no appeal and the execution is carried out automatically and without pity."

Now, in regards to capitalism versus socialism, the spouse and I payed for a house and two cars, and are putting two kids through college without government assistance due to hard work and sacrifice. We, spouse and I haven't gone on what folks would call a vacation for over ten years. We eat a lot of hamburger and chicken. There hasn't been a steak in our house for years. We are taking care of spouse's mother with Alzheimers. All free of the government dime. This is what I call capitalist behavior. Spouse and I decided together to enter into these contracts and spouse and I have adjusted our behavior in order to meet our obligations in regards to having entered into these contracts. Throughout twenty-six years of married life spouse and I have accumulated a cash savings nest egg for our retirement. We accomplished all of this through the application of hard work, planning and sacrifice, observation of another Heinleinism, TANSTAAFL, There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

Along comes the liberal/socialist with their jack boots and their guns and steal from me under threat of violence so that they can have. That's logical. I didn't force them into making bad decisions. Spouse has a cousin that took out a second mortgage on their home so that they could go on a Carribean cruise. Naturally their big time Obama supporters. They live a life of dissipation and consumption and expect me to pay for it. You expect me to care if these people exterminate themselves?

Stupid is as stupid does.

FTM| 4.16.10 @ 3:54AM

Look, read this:

http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_copybook.htm

Pay special attention to the last part:

"As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return."

The truth of the liberal versus conservitave arguement has been known and is apparent to anyone that wants to consider the question from the standpoint of stark truth. You can make the choice to live at the expense of another. Living at the expense of another will serve your purposes until you run out of other people to extort sustanance from. Then what? When the wealth has been squandered, when the people that you steal from stop generating the wealth that you steal what good are the arguements and excuses and platitudes?

goldman| 4.16.10 @ 8:32AM

9/11 justifies the unconstitutional concept of "unilateral executive"??? I know you guys prefer "unilateral executive" when a Cheney is running the country but how do you feel about your dreaded nemesis "the commie," "the marxist," "the radical Kenyan social fascist," "Maobama," running the country with "unilateral executive" powers (complete with his "communist" czars planning the economy). You guys crack me up. Way more creative then we were when Bush was in office.

Eric(OfConservativeMind)| 4.23.10 @ 2:44AM

Many conservatives disagreed with Bush and his policies, but he was presumably better than either of his presidential nominee opponents, due to their liberal Statist agendas; Bush was apparently a Neo-conservative or a Globalist, and not a conservative, as he did nothing to limit the scope of the U.S. government. Indeed, he expanded our debt through Congressional actions and a war that continues today.

Call Obama what he is, a Statist. Doesn't that feel better now? He's directing government authority over the banks and auto companies he bailed out through his czars, consolidating federal regulatory power over the healthcare/insurance industries, punishing Wall Street(Yeah, who doesn't hate those greedy @#$@#! They crashed the economy!)(The liberal Statists had an arm or two in this as well... Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac? ACORN? All pushing loans to poor people under the Community Reinvestment Act?), and on and on and on...

Doesn't some of this read like the Saul Alinsky playbook, "Rules for Radicals"? How about those other Statists like the Castro brothers in Cuba and Hugo Chavez cheering our President on his magnificent accomplishments? Don't you think they recognize a Statist when they see one?

Certain actions are indefensible, and your position against true conservatism serves you poorly. Do you link arms with those who would enslave the market to governmental authority? Do you dance with those who would have a say in what lightbulbs I can put in my house or how many gallons of water my toilet can flush?(btw, who isn't against lowering their own energy costs by installing energy efficient items in their home?...) Why would anyone want an authoritarian regime telling them how they live their lives? The course we are currently heading is Statism, the end is the same. Top-heavy authoritarian states crumble, and the past of other failed republics is a reminder of what lies ahead.

Mike M| 4.16.10 @ 9:58AM

The self described "compassionate" or 'tolerant" amongst us -the Democrats- have no tolerance for the unborn or those who disagree with their liberal agenda.
Why do you think they stopped screaming for gun control? They need guns now...for you Mr. conservative.

Ken (Old Texican)| 4.16.10 @ 11:08AM

A coda to the conversation.

(Pardon me, I was busy partying yesterday.)

The above conversation certainly validates Mr. Tyrrell's column title doesn't it?

loosers on their knees whining vs. self sufficient conservatives standing on their feet.

paradoctor| 4.16.10 @ 12:52PM

You write:

paradoctor| 4.16.10 @ 1:06PM

Oops, the site swallowed my email. I quoted the article claiming that conservatives are disciplined rationalists and liberals are policy nymphomaniacs.

I beg to differ. As I recall the Bush era, most of the really juicy sex scandals were from the R side of the aisle. (D's prefer to have money scandals.)

Also, the R's, during the Bush years, were responsible for terabucks of debt, two bungled wars, torture, domestic spying and other national dishonors, a massive growth in the size of the federal government, and a massive financial implosion.

Worst of all, from my point of view, was the Bushite contempt for reality-based reasoning.

Until the 'conservatives' field spokespeople who comprehensively reject the destructive radicalism of Bush and his political heirs, then 'conservatism' is CINO: conservative in name only.

h| 4.20.10 @ 12:50AM

waterboarding is not torture

there was no domestic spying...it was all perfectly legal..

the financial meltdown was caused by the liberal notion of the govt forcing banks to give loans to people who should not have homes. the Bush Admin WARNED Congress about the problem and they ignored it....

Richard Wicks| 4.16.10 @ 9:17PM

All I know is that for 8 years, Bush started nation building in 2 middle eastern countries, doubled the national debt, and expanded government by 30%.

All this talk about abortion, gay rights, flag burning, supposed health care insurance - it's just empty talk, as is "change".

The only crazy people that are people who will assume any position that their crappy party will take, be it Republican or Democratic. These voters who still think that a dimes worth of difference in actions and a million dollars of empty rhetoric matters.

Talk is cheap. From bailouts, to unconstitutional wiretapping, to BS "wars on terror" - nothing has changed with the slighter darker and better spoken clone of Bush.

If you're stupid enough to think that anything has changed, you deserve your crappy, unresponsible, lazy, fat, bloated and tremendously expensive government. I am disgusted by the media establishment that constantly tries to stir up the miniscule party differences and pretend promises, claiming it makes an opposition.

The fact of the matter is, it's government against you, and the Republicans and Democrats are the government.

FTM| 4.16.10 @ 10:19PM

Richard Wicks is wise!

In my most humble opinion what we're looking at is the end game of "musical chairs" that the federal government has become since the first great depression. The name of the American political game has been to stave off the final financial disaster for another four years. The objective being to make sure that when the music stops you're not the one without a chair.

We've been fighting idiotic wars all over the planet, paying little girls to have babies and underwriting thug governments for far, far too long. Seems to me that the music is about to stop.

MattZ| 4.17.10 @ 1:08AM

Uh, yeah, EVERYTHING a democrat ever tries to do becomes controversial. Conservatives live in a constant state of feigned outrage these days.

Obama was blasted for his Reaganesque wish to reduce the nuclear arsenals of the US and Russia.

Obama was berated for winning the Nobel peace prize.

Obama was raked over the coals for ordering thousands of more troops into the Afghan War.

Obama lowered taxes for the working and middle classes and the response from the right is the Tea Party.

There's nothing he could do to avoid the notion of controversy because the ridiculous GOP is going to claim every move he makes is controversial.
MZ

h| 4.20.10 @ 12:47AM

Obama was raked over the coals for ordering thousands of more troops into the Afghan War. --because he promised to get us out...

Obama lowered taxes for the working and middle classes and the response from the right is the Tea Party. ---a complete lie

Obama was blasted for his Reaganesque wish to reduce the nuclear arsenals of the US and Russia. ---this is stupid...Reagan won the Cold War, you dolt. There is NOTHING Reaganesque about Obama. Obama is a Marxist, Reagan hated Marxism.

Sara| 4.17.10 @ 8:19AM

As a life-long conservative with several liberal friends, I formed a thesis of my own decades ago regarding essential and even genetic differences among individuals with the two opposing points of view.

Liberals are much more likely to be liberal, not because they've thought the issues through, but because being liberal is how they see themselves. The demands of their own self-images, especially in context with their circle of friends, control their political leanings. Ironically, conservatives seem innately more secure in the role of maverick.

In considering the issues, liberals are much more apt to think with their hearts. And conservatives are much more likely to apply what liberals see as cold logic. The big divide of the past forty years has been policy on the poor. Liberals believe government should take care of the poor, plain and simple, and to suggest otherwise is to be without a heart. Conservatives have argued logically that providing continuing government subsistence aid, to a level such as Johnson's Great Society does, destroys initiative, family structure, neighborhoods and damages the future for young people and destroys their self-esteem, making them prisoners of government aid.

The most interesting application lately of these essential differences is in the great climate change debate. Try using logic in that argument and liberals shut down, turn away and stomp off in anger. The science has been settled, they say. Science, conservatives contend, as an on-going search for knowledge, should never be settled. Suggest the need to supply documentation of original climate change research, instead of relying on borrowed research and computer models, and watch the meltdown.

When logic leaves them no argument, liberals, who see themselves as towers of love and tolerance, defend their views with name-calling, the antithesis of thought. And they spread their message with agitprop theater, such as the ads on children's television that feature the earth in flames.

Lullaby's, Legends and Lies| 4.17.10 @ 3:48PM

Great Post Sara: So Liberals need to be accepted by the larger group, and Conservatives don't care what the group thinks about them? I'm with you on that!! I have a Dad already, so I'm not looking for another one from Washington. I'll make my own mess, and I'll clean it up too, and I don't need any help doing it either. Actually, I'd be too damn embarrassed to ask for help cleaning up my own messes. Liberals? They always want somebody else to come in, and clean up after them. They have no pride in their actions!! You have to learn to stand on your own two feet in life!! It's that simple!!

gene hauber| 4.17.10 @ 4:39PM

hey tim...WTFUR.
there are many places that have no Bill of Rights or constitution to speak of.

n. korea, china, cuba, iran, afghanistan or even france and canada come to mind.
if one would be better,...pick it and GO.

Sara| 4.18.10 @ 6:25AM

In the interest of clarity, I should add that generally I've found that liberals see themselves as brilliant, kind, generous, tolerant, intellectual, compassionate and right on every issue. And of course, they see conservatives as racist, stingy, mean, dull-witted, selfish, oafish—you know the rest. They always look for group of like-minded individuals so that they can confirm each others political opinions and congratulate themselves on their superiority, thus perpetrating their own paradigms.

My liberal friends are dear to me nonetheless. They mean well. Oddly, they think, as a conservative, I'm an exception to the rule. I tell them they should get out more.

sbark| 4.18.10 @ 8:39AM

Until we recognize that the problem is simply Democrats, we wont cure it. The Problem is the rampant Liberalism..........the rest of the stuff is just day to day issues that should be taken care of by Indiv's, that the Democrats expand into problem......

As the Amspec article stated about the Org. Tea Parties.........keep the message simple.

The Problem is simple....its the Democrats.

Take away every program they have staked their reputation on (SS, Medicare, Fannie, ObamaCare) and this country would be debt free with a normal poverty level and very productive.

Eric(OfConservativeMind)| 4.23.10 @ 2:56AM

I somewhat agree with you, though your target is slightly off. It's not Dems in general, but the Statists in both parties that thrive off of larger government. Conservatism(Of which very few Dem politicians take part) is the antidote to Statist tyranny, and the U.S. needs a big shot of truly conservative government right now.

Unfortunately, many of those who are qualifying for Medicare and SS see conservatives as wanting to take away something for which they have worked their whole lives. Instead of just dropping these programs, we need to wean people off of them first. Responsible governance requires us to keep the promises of SS and Medicare alive for those to which they had been promised and then outgrow and retire these ridiculously costly programs before they swallow us whole.

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Jayne Milner| 12.26.10 @ 11:30PM

Basically I have found that since reading the new testament of the bible and actively trying to follow the teachings of Jesus everyone started calling me a liberal. The founders of America were liberals too and if you follow their thinking then people will also get angry and call you a liberal. Obviously the right-wing folks deep down are in opposition to God and America and they will destroy it if they can.

Jeana Aka Ann| 2.28.11 @ 9:19PM

I think both sides want what is best but I just think the liberal approach is the more practical. I am tired of the name calling and stonewalling that is sweeping our nation. So I started a blog with my best friend. She is a conservative prosecutor and I am a liberal public defender. We never agree but we aspire to civility and generally find ourselves meeting in the middle.
Here is a post in support of Wisconsin...I'm sure she'll disagree.
http://twoangelsofjustice.blog.....-with.html