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The Color of Tea

Is calling Tea Party activists racist the best liberals can do?

Consider the thoughts of the inaptly named openmind82 in a post titled “Is the Tea Party or conservs the modern day Klan?” on the Daily Kos:

When I hear words yelled like, “Faggot, Nigger” or politicians being cursed and spit on, then one has to believe it’s no longer about politics, but about something else. And it’s RACISM, it’s always been about racism, you know it, I know it, and the media knows or at least they pretend not to.

These people can’t stand to see people of color, gays, and women making legislative decisions that can effect (sic) our country. It’s about a fringe group of racist conservatives and libertarians using anti-government rhetoric to hide their racist feelings, and this health reform simply exposed them.

Then there are those who simply object to Tea Party activists being melatonin challenged. Frank Rich of the New York Times writes, “The Tea Party movement is virtually all white.” Charles Blow, Rich’s colleague at the Times, elaborated on this thought by describing a poll about Tea Party activists by Quinnipiac University. Blow states the poll “found them to be just as anachronistic to the direction of the country’s demographics as the Republican Party. For instance, they were disproportionately white, evangelical Christian and ‘less educated … than the average Joe and Jane Six-Pack.’”

Well, so much for living in a country where people are judged by the content of their character. When in the company of Tea Party activists, Kevin Jackson, Pastor C.L. Bryant, and Deneen Borelli are judged not only by the content of their character but by the content of their message. They are Tea Party activists who happen to be black. Recently, I spoke with each of them over the phone.

Between them they have addressed over one hundred Tea Party rallies in the past year. If the Tea Party is as “comedienne” Janeane Garofalo claims nothing more than “racism straight up” then one would think that Jackson, Bryant, and Borelli would be at risk of imminent harm and infectious hatred. But the only infectious quality these three have encountered amongst Tea Party activists is their enthusiasm.

Of course, it doesn’t stop Colbert King of the Washington Post or Rep. James Clyburn from comparing Tea Party activists to segregationists in the South. Yet I don’t seem to recall segregationists in the South inviting black speakers to address their rallies.

Kevin Jackson, author of the book The Big Black Lie, told me unequivocally that the allegations of racism leveled against Tea Party activists last month by Rep. John Lewis and other members of the Congressional Black Caucus are “complete fabrications” and feelings of racism amongst Tea Party activists “doesn’t exist.” Of course, that doesn’t deter Lewis and company. Jackson states, “It’s their number one weapon to try to discredit the Tea Party.” While Jackson said he would like to see more involvement in the Tea Party amongst blacks (especially black youth), he does not feel out of place in the least. “No racism has been done to me,” said Jackson.

In fact, Jackson went on to say the only thing that would stir violence amongst fellow Tea Party activists would be towards displays of racist behavior. Thus the allegations leveled by Lewis and others are incongruent with his experience. Not only does Jackson find that his Tea Party speeches regularly receive standing ovations but he also finds himself invited out to dinner, to go fishing and asked “to marry their daughters.” If that doesn’t tell you racism is clinically dead in this country, then nothing will. “They care about your character, not your color,” Jackson said.

Pastor Bryant became a Tea Party activist completely by accident. Although Bryant describes himself as “an independent, fiscal conservative,” he had no illusions of becoming a political activist. However, when Bryant and his wife showed up early at a Tea Party rally Bossier City, Louisiana, and decided to help the organizers set up, he made quite the impression. As the minister presiding over the Cedar Hills Baptist Church in the village of Grand Cane near Shreveport, Bryant is quite accustomed to speaking before large crowds. They would not regret their decision to add Bryant to their roster of speakers.

Before long Bryant would be speaking all over the country spreading the gospel of liberty. Bryant, a New Orleans Saints fan, would even be well received by Indianapolis Colts fans in Hoosier country. Bryant’s reputation as an orator is such that he has been invited to introduce both Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin at upcoming Tea Party rallies. He also hosts a radio program called “Hot Tea Radio”.

Bryant told me the motivations of Tea Party activists have “nothing to do with a black President” and that accusations of racism are little more than “an intentional smear campaign against regular Americans.” “It’s not a black thing. It’s not a white thing. We are fiscal conservatives who don’t feel we are being represented,” said Bryant.

Deneen Borelli, a fellow with the black conservative network and policy think tank Project 21, has a different take on the charges of racism against the Tea Party. Borelli, who specializes in energy policy and is a contributor to the Fox News Channel, told me such allegations are indication the Tea Party is “making a difference.” She elaborated by stating, “The Tea Party’s message of small government and self-reliance is resonating with people and the liberal/left doesn’t want that message to get out.” Borelli dismisses allegations of racism as little more than “a tactic to stifle debate.”

If left-wing politicians and the liberal media persist in calling Tea Party activists racist, then it is up to Americans of all colors to tell them they have to do better.

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Aaron Goldstein writes from Boston, Massachusetts.

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ret. Marine| 4.8.10 @ 6:50AM

Tell them they have to do better........This is the best they can do. It's nothing more than their last straw moment, they know it, we know it.
Character means everything in the real world. Since they insist we are the racist, let them put the burden of proof around the movement, of course this is exactely what they have been trying to do, but have failed, pictures, audio, anyone, where is the proof, the word of a black caucas member (s) yeah that will do the trick. NOT.
The socialist American's, commonly called the black caucus, are just projecting their thoughs and actions upon the TP members. Right, it takes much courage to be members of a group of "victims" who sold out their country for a few scheckles. May they live long with their guilt.

Son Of Sam| 4.8.10 @ 7:57AM

When the facts are on your side,pound away at the facts
When the facts are against you, pound away at the table
When the people are against you, play the race card

stand strong until freedom dawns
Son Of Sam

Margie| 4.8.10 @ 2:37PM

Stand strong indeed, Son of Sam, and we will!

ggoblue| 4.9.10 @ 8:37AM

207 dawns until judgement day...nov 2

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Ryan| 4.8.10 @ 8:39AM

My understanding of the Tea Party makeup is actually a little bit better than the last election - if 10-15% or more are nonwhite, it's actually a better representation than in the election (where something like 9% voted against Obama - a trend that wasn't low for conservatives).

justasimplepatriot| 4.8.10 @ 9:56AM

This is a tried and true tactic by cultist movements. Don't argue the facts, attack your enemy's motives.

1. Your attack will be accepted as truth by the ignorant and the lazy.
2. How do you prove - a motive?

Achilles Toejam| 4.8.10 @ 11:12PM

Also primary tactic of Saul Alinsky that our commander and socialist rabble-rouser used to teach.

La Realidad| 4.8.10 @ 10:11AM

Minorities who support the Tea Party movement need to be heard and raise their voices. That is the first step that needs to be done. It also involves confronting the media on their blatant errors and biases on a constant basis. Many believe in limited government, but sadly most are ignorant and/or inaccessible to the process that can help facilitate the REAL change we need and organizations like ACORN aren't groups we need to help us. It has to be from the grassroots level which is the main appeal of the Tea Party movement.

Its simple as taking the act of courage to speak out. If we give in to peer pressure, we'll just continue perpetuating the largest and long standing act of group think in American history. Just look at the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics that voted for our President in 2008. Its time to get ourselves and all Americans unhinged from the entitlement programs the Left wants us enslaved to!

wodiej| 4.9.10 @ 6:27AM

couldn't agree more...well said.

Tim*| 4.8.10 @ 10:20AM

The financially dying New York Times Agendists are attacking We ,Tea Party Rebels And The Catholic Church to stop the blood flow from Obama's failure to handle this Jobless Recession and Obama's Failure to Make The Sale on His Health Scam.

Tea Party Rallies Tax Day April 15th Across America.

Nick| 4.11.10 @ 3:10PM

Pay no attention to Jon B, folks.

He peddles lies and marxist propaganda. Oops! Redundant.

Like the lie that President Reagan gave the Soviets $425 billion.

After 3 days of trying to belittle those of us who called him out on his lie, he finally admitted his fabrication.

Although, he then claimed it was a mistake That it was actually $425 million, but he offered no source. Just his deeply flawed memories.

He also doesn't know that, in America, we refer to it as the Supreme Court Of The United States (SCOTUS), not US SC, or United States' Supreme Court.

What a moron.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 10:27AM

Well, here's why...
You (Tea Bagger) didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President by throwing out 175,000 unexamined ballots violating the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy or when Bush rescinded a stop gouging order placed on Enron even after Lay jacked prices 1,000 % within a week in California alone.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative who worked trying to uncover spies attempting to steal our nuclear secrets got outed, and the whole operation had to be shut down.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown.

You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.

You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

You finally got mad when a black President was legally elected (unlike Bush), and the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...oh hell no!

Mark Sochor| 4.8.10 @ 11:11AM

Your demented,clueless and a cool aid drinker. What the hell are you doing engaging in a discussion with your intellectual betters? Especially with tinfoil hat crap like this. The Black helicopters are on their way.

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 11:15AM

Actually, Jon, I hated the Cult of the State even before one from its Marxist sect got elected president.

Better a Tea-Bagger for liberty than a Butt-Boy for Obama and Darth Soros.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 11:40AM

You have no idea what Marxism is, or what your words you use even mean, but you do know how to pretend to speak from a position of authority that you clearly lack. Thanks for your comment. Perhaps elevate your IQ somewhat before the next reply?

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 11:48AM

I mentioned in anouther post that members of the Cult of the State, such as Jon B, clearly are not into the logical argument thing. As evidence, I now offer Jon's comment above.

"You have no idea what Marxism. . . ." Care to enlighten us, comrade?

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 6:46PM

Your post does nothing but strongly support the MSM opinion of Tea Baggers.

Achilles Toejam| 4.8.10 @ 11:38PM

Jon, In case it's slipped your memory Obama is continuing the Bush doctrine in many ways regarding the war on terror so far.

If you're talking about New Orleans and Katrina it was the local Liberal Democrat government that left hundreds of buses to be flooded that could've been used to evacuate a lot of people, money was allocated for the levees much of it was miss spent locally, look across the country the worst urban areas are run by corrupt Democrats.

Now let's talk about a legal president, there is evidence to show that Obama is not a natural born citizen which would prohibit him from holding the office of president and he has spent millions in keeping his records secret why? Nothing has been asked of him that hasn't been asked of others.

You've got the audacity to talk about deficits and the national debt? Both parties have engaged in overspending but the Democrats by far have now thrown it into hyperdrive and we are now on a fast track to national bankruptcy.

It looks like you got your talking points, it's not about reason and truth with people like you and I feel sorry for you in a way, you should try reading less Marx and more Madison because you just don't get it someone has got a hold of you and filled your head with half-baked pseudo-intellectual crap!

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 11:41PM

Not bad, for a bald faced liar, Toejam.
Nothing you said is true.

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 2:46AM

You would know a lot about lies, troll!

Jon B| 4.9.10 @ 8:39AM

So...you're a back door man eh?

Jon B Obama's BackDoor Man| 4.9.10 @ 6:12PM

Another one of your many talents, I'm sure, Obama's Tea Bagger.

32 Year Republican| 4.10.10 @ 8:07PM

" We are fiscal conservatives who don't feel we are being represented," said Bryant."

Where were you Tea Party fools when that RINO W was spending money like a democrat in Iraq. WE, American taxpayers have paid for roads, bridges, hospitals and schools in Iraq that NEVER EXISTED. I sat in a meeting September 08 and listened to the Corp of Engineers proudly report on the billions they had spent. I spoke to a reservist that talked of the new construction they had put in near Tikrit. It makes me furious!

At least we know what the democrats are. At least Obama told us what he was going to do to us, and the majority of voters decided to make him POTUS. It seems that all the GOP can do is say no, they can't even come up with a better idea to anything.

Tea Party activists get no credit from me until they start to dump the republicans that supported W's rampant spending.

Doorgunner| 4.8.10 @ 11:54AM

My God, you're hilarious, Jon.

The SCOTUS determines what is legal; and the NYT and LA Times bsck the elkection results.

California's misguided energy policies led to a governor being recalled. Remember that?

Who was the "covert operative"?

Illegally invaded? How 'bout UN authorized?

Obama and both Democrat-controlled chambers of Congress like them some Patriot Act juat fine!

Again, UN-authorized war against a prove terrorist supporting tyrannical regime.

600 billion better spent than Obama willever do.

10 billion "just disappeared"? Mistakes happen; so does corruption. Just ask Kofi Annan et fil.

Abu Grahib? Yeah, we got pretty mad about that. What we didn't do is try to paint the entire U.S. military as torturers in a treasonous attempt to cripple the war effort.

Illegal wiretapping? Again, all the current in-power Dems seem to love them some Patriot Act.

Let me know when Obambi has Bin Laden.

Yeah, we got mad at the conditions at Walter Reed. We weren't, however, the folks attempting to defund the military in a treasonous attempt to cripple the war effort.

Nobody "let" New Orleans drown. I was there, in a Blackhawk, delivering food, evacuating residents who chose to remain, inserting FEMA coordinated Search and Rescue Teams with their Zodiac boats. Where were you?

We let people across all of the income spectrum keep more of their money. It's a proven method for bolstering an economy; unlike the methods now being employed.

Unfornately, we nowhere near seeing where the deficit will top out at.

And finally, after so much refutation of the racist accusation, you stick with it. Because you're an ass.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 12:02PM

Then why did the US SC say that their 12-12-2000 decision can never be used as a basis for law in any other case, including any other case in Florida in the same 2000 election?

Here's a clue: Their decision was never based in law, and openly violated even their own definition of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment written in the same decision. I'd be more than happy to debate anyone at all who would like too discuss points of merit in the decision, instead of working with an emotion based response as the one above is.

Doorgunner| 4.8.10 @ 2:15PM

Today is 8 April, 2010. George Bush isn't President.

And President Obama is a socialist.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 2:22PM

The actual definition of Socialism requires that the workers own the means of production and control it through democracy. People get paid for the amount of work they do, and vote democratically for changes. When production increases, everyone's pay increases proportionately. I fail to see that anywhere in America from Obama.

George Bush was never legally the President.

Margie| 4.8.10 @ 2:41PM

"George Bush was never legally President." LOL!
That's very funny.
In truth, where's Obama's Birth Certificate?

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 3:06PM

In 2000, the US SC threw out the Constitution to install Bush. 2004 is debatable, however enough evidence (over 1,200 photos of forensic evidence-Witness to a Crime by Richard Hayes Phillips) exists to prove that Bush lost Ohio in 2004. But you didn't know that. FOX didn't tell you. Neither did the allegedly "leftist" media. would that be because the media isn't actually leftist, per chance?

Doorgunner| 4.8.10 @ 4:14PM

Spend a lot of time on the Intarwebs, Joanie... I mean Junie... I mean Jonny?

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 6:47PM

Another deeply intellectual response. Bravo! The MSM media you whine about seems to have nailed the Tea Bagger mentality.

arlo price| 4.9.10 @ 12:23AM

uhhhhh jon???? He's not black............he's half-white. Look it up.

If you could recognize the truth, you'd quit perpetuating that black lie.

carl gottstein | 4.9.10 @ 7:12AM

I think General motors is now a socialist opperation.

Jon B| 4.11.10 @ 10:52PM

Really? The workers own the means of production and GM makes decisions based on the democratic votes of the workers? The workers wages go up when profits increase too? GM is socialist, really?

JonB Obama's Butt Boy| 4.12.10 @ 5:36AM

GM is a Fascist organization, just ask Fascist Screeder.

Jon B| 4.9.10 @ 8:52AM

Please let me address your constant stream of lies.
# 1) The US SC violated the Constitution to install Bush. It was not legal.
#2) BU$H rescinded a stop gouging order on Enron within 48 hours of seizing the throne in 2001. Ken Lay jacked energy prices by 1,000% within the week in California alone-the actual major cause of the energy "crisis."
#3)Valerie Plame who headed "Brewster-Jennings" a CIA secret operation designed to catch foreign spies interested in our nuclear secrets that had to be shut down immediately after her outing.
#4) UN did not authorize the war in Iraq.
#5) FEMA promised over 300 buses and other material support the day of the storm that never materialized, In fact, they didn't act until 5 days after being asked for the first time. Blanco's biggest mistake was trusting FEMA. The New Orleans Hurricane center told BU$H 2 days before Katrina hit that the Levees would be breached. Micheal Brown admitted under oath during a congressional investigation that the Bush administration told him to lie as they were to cover up their negligence.

You seem to have a few morals. Too bad you're so misinformed and confident of that misinformation. America could use you.

jspicer| 4.8.10 @ 12:04PM

Who says we werent angry then?? YOU? You know us all so well. Maybe it wasnt a black man being elected but an ultra liberal that finally tipped us over enough to get us involved. Maybe thats HOW he got elected in the first place is that we were all so tired of republicans that were spending ridiculously and stomping on our rights that we would vote for anyone but another republican and instead we got a guy that is a documented socialist. Maybe we DID speak out against the war in Iraq but felt only the timing was wrong and not the war itself. Maybe we HOPED that Obama would CHANGE the system as he stated for the better and not more of the same and in many cases worse than it was. I notice the two worst pieces of legislation that Bush passed are 1. Extended (patriot act) and 2. written by a democrat (nclb) and simply modified a bit.

Or maybe you are simply a troll and will worry about what happens to anyone but americans. Why should we work so hard to succeed when the govt is just going to determine we dont deserve to live well unless we are lazy and/or poor? I know i gave up shortly after this bill was enacted. I stopped worrying about getting a Masters degree because i knew it wasnt worth the time or money anymore. If i do manage to work my behind off all that will happen is people like you will accuse me of "stealing" money from poor people or being overpaid or just plain old lucky and i would deserve to have any money i make over 200k taken away.

NoToObama| 4.8.10 @ 1:02PM

So you jump from the frying pan into the fire?
I'll take Bush any day over this marxist leaning tyrant.

NoToObama| 4.8.10 @ 1:04PM

Sorry JSpicer. I was so pissed after reading Jon's posts, I read yours incorrectly! Apology sent.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 1:18PM

...and yet you obviously said nothing when Bush redistributed wealth to the top via the regressive SS tax, billions in tax breaks given to the top, trillions shifted to corporations, the $'s burden of corporate malfeasance shifted to US taxpayers, giveaways of tens of billions in US oil on federal land to Oil companies who funded Bush...YOU were FOR wealth redistribution for 8 years, and only now, under Obama you've had a change pf heart after he gave tax cuts to low and middle class Americans, and refunded state programs Bush cut?

Say no more, you actually are what you accuse others of...

Doorgunner| 4.8.10 @ 2:17PM

He didn't "redistribute wealth"; he let them keep what was theirs. I got to keep more of mine, too.

So, no, we weren't for wealth redistribution.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 2:24PM

Reagan raised taxes that primarily affect the low and middle classes several times. He also more than quadrupled your debt. It's YOUR debt now, but you don't want to pay for it. I guess Reagan's "Pleasure now, let someone else pay for it later" tax cuts for the top weren't as good as some remember them to be.

Achilles Toejam| 4.8.10 @ 11:58PM

Reagan reduced taxes and revenues to the treasury increased he also had to rebuild the military because after Carter it was an extremely rundown condition remember of the smoking helicopters in the desert. The tax cuts were across the board and the old incessant drumbeat of tax cuts for the wealthy is really getting old, it's based in the lowest common denominator of human nature and sin envying and covetousness.

Democratic Congress at the time when the revenues were up went on a spending spree of their own so remember that when you talk about deficits in the 80s, let's not forget that JFK did the same thing and got the same results increase prosperity and a growing economy.

Jon B| 4.9.10 @ 8:58AM

Please allow you to quadruple your debt and tell you that you're "better off" because of it. Reagan doubled the SS tax, a regressive tax that punishes the low and middle classes far more (they pay over 14 times more for the FICA tax as a %-age of their incomes than the top 1% pays). Man, are you really that delusional?

JFK lowered the tax on the top from 91% to 70%, but he also took out the loopholes so they paid roughly the same. The ACTUAL tax rate on the top 400 wealthiest Americans is 17%-what they actually pay in federal progressive taxes, not the advertised figures.

When you add up total taxes (State, local and both federal taxes), the bottom 20% pay as a National average about the same %-age of their income as the top 1%. Everyone else pays more to far more.

The average CEO made 28 times more than the average worker in 1968, 40 times more in 1980, and now makes over 500 times more. Your self delusional denial of the massive wealth redistribution to the top is what trips you up, and why you're easy to expose. Thanks.

DEMOCRATS ARE COWARDS!| 4.11.10 @ 3:26AM

Obama's poll numbers are in the low forties and dropping like a stone and Democrats in congress are running for the hills like the cowardly dogs they are.

Democrats will be easy pickins' November 2, 2010: Like shooting fish in a barrel! Hooray.

Curtis Rasmussen| 4.8.10 @ 2:42PM

Sounds like the thread hijacking Lib Screeder taking a new moniker for a test drive.

Ignore her.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 3:07PM

^and there you have it! The primary driving force of the average Tea Bagger: deliberate and self-induced ignorance.

LiveFreeOrDie| 4.8.10 @ 7:24PM

Ignoring the ignorant does not make one ignorant, self-induced or otherwise. Why such hostility and name calling with a disgusting sexual reference to the Tea Party? You have no class.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 7:47PM

I think it fits well w/o the sexual reference your refer too.

LiveFreeOrDie| 4.8.10 @ 8:09PM

"Tea Bag" is a disgusting term that describes placing one's scrotum inside the mouth of another. Do you know the meaning of the words you use? If you don't you are ignorant and stupid for having used them. If you do then you are disgusting and have no class. Either way works for me moron.

Anthony| 4.8.10 @ 8:40PM

So that is what this disgusting term means. Wow!! I've been attempting for months to get a defination.Thanks for the education. (I think)
I'm shocked to know that the MSM is sick enough to actually use this term with Tea Party participants, and so glibly and without any shame.
The Left is truly loathesome. They have no shame, no morality and no decency. They are sick , hateful individuals.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 8:57PM

If you prefer the sexual connotation, that's your choice. I like it because it's tidy and clean. Party refers to Beer, gratuitous sex, and possibly illegal drugs. Perhaps that's the term you choose for the Tea Baggers?

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 3:52AM

Tidy and clean like your Obama Butt Boy duties?

Nothing clean about those duties and you know it, Butt Boy. LOL

Jon B| 4.9.10 @ 8:59AM

^The Tea Bagger has spoken.

Jon B Obama's Tea Bagger| 4.9.10 @ 6:09PM

Yes you have, Obama's Tea Bagger.

Albert| 4.8.10 @ 3:12PM

Look, I'm no Bush fan, but to say he was not legally elected is a fiction. The US Supreme Court did not hand the election to him. He was elected according to the laws of the State of Florida, which the Florida Supreme Court tried (unsccessfully) to violate. It was Gore who tried to steal the election with selective recounts by party flacks, in open and obvious violation of State Law. It was Gore who sued to disallow military personnel votes, and tried to allow votes by prison inmates. Grow up and quit whining like a brat sent to bed without dinner. Gore lost! (And thank God he did!) Get over it.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 6:55PM

Florida election statute 102.168(8) gives the courts the power to "provide any relief appropriate" in an election challenge. This would include extending State deadlines, if any. But there is no 12-12 Florida deadline for counting votes, nor is there a Federal 12-12 deadline for counting votes. The US SC simply made one up out of thin air. BTW, what's more appropriate than counting all the votes in an election?

Federal election law makes the House Majority Speaker the interim President if the votes are not counted by January 20th of the next year. The equal protection clause of the 14th amendment makes it illegal to draw any line that throws out legal votes. All votes must be given equal value meaning you cannot throw away legal votes of your choosing giving them ZERO value, and count only another set of votes giving them full value. EQUAL protection, get it?

"may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person's vote over that of another. See, e.g., Harper v. Virginia Bd. of Elections, 383 U.S. 663, 665 (1966) (“[O]nce the franchise is granted to the electorate, lines may not be drawn which are inconsistent with the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment”)."

...“[t]he idea that one group can be granted greater voting strength than another is hostile to the one man, one vote basis of our representative government.” Id. , at 819."

12-12 ia an arbitrary line created by the US SC that does not exist in law anywhere, and gives unequal protection of legal votes. The fatuous and self-serving 12-12 decision was a BLATANT violation of Constitutional election law.

JimE| 4.8.10 @ 6:07PM

Don't feed jon B troll, he only shows up when it's time too protect the magic negro or to scream racism. Jon go back and work your glory hole.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 9:58PM

Ironically, you're trolling for trolls. I'm just debating folks. Do you serve a useful purpose otherwise?

JimE| 4.8.10 @ 10:48PM

Your only purpose is to submit to obama, serve obama, obey obama and satisfy obama You dabate nothing, you only spout what the collective has programed you to.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 11:42PM

LOL!
That was deep!!!
Your best post so far!

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 2:44AM

Yup! Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!

Radegunda| 4.9.10 @ 12:38AM

Obumma (raised by his white mother and grandparents ) did not legitimately win the primaries; he took the caucuses by fraud and intimidation. Hillary won in the actual primary elections.
Obozo took massive amounts of illegal campaign cash. It was proven to be very easy to contribute under phony names.

Your notion of what happened in 2000 is ignorant. The Dems in Florida stuffed the ballot boxes---hence all the "hanging chads"---and had double-punched ballots to cancel out Bush votes.

The Dem news networks deliberately said the polls were closed in Florida when there was still an hour to go in the Panhandle--which leans heavily Republican.

Democrats THREW OUT MILITARY BALLOTS. You claim to care about soldiers but you DON'T WANT THEM to VOTE.

Jon B| 4.9.10 @ 9:01AM

Actually, Bush lawyers fought and succeeded at throwing out military votes in Gore counties in Florida so only 18% of the illegal military votes were counted, while the same BU$H lawyers fought and succeeded at having 63% of the illegal military votes counted in BU$H counties. Thanks for bringing that up.

NO TROLLS!| 4.9.10 @ 2:14PM

Provide proof with your whine. You've been caught in lies before--no one believes your BS.

Jon B| 4.10.10 @ 7:38PM

Your first sentence is a lie. Your second sentence has 2 lies in it. Not bad. 3 lies in 2 short sentences. Are you running for office?

How Bush Took Florida: Mining the Overseas Absentee Vote

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07.....;sq=mining overseas ballots&st=cse

DEMOCRATS ARE COWARDS| 4.11.10 @ 3:29AM

Al Gore lost Florida because Bush outsmarted him and his slimy ACORN election theft attempt.
Democrats do try to prevent our military from voting--everyone know it, too, asshole.

Northern Rebel| 4.8.10 @ 10:29AM

I am a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. My "race" built the greatest bastion of freedom, in the history of the world. People risk their lives on a daily basis to come to America, and there are no Americans jumping into floating tires trying to get to Cuba, or Venezuela.

We have black pride, which I understand, and we have illegal immigrants waving foreign flags in California, protesting because they want American freebies.

I think it's good to be proud to be black, or Mexican, or Polish, but if you are proud to be a representative of the people that created the Constitution of the United States of America, you are called a racist.

America has done it's best to include other countries people into the "melting pot", but it's a sin to not want the American ideals that built this country, to be deluted by foreigners, and their traditions, which worked so well, they had to flee from whence they came.

Integration is now frowned upon by those who come here. They don't want to speak the national language, they don't want to fit in.

Instead they want the country to change to their whims, and desires. They are rolling over the people who gave them this great opportunity, and attempting to change the values that gave us the oldest Constitution in the world.

But to point that out, is racist, in their eyes. God forbid if you tell them to go find their own spot on the planet to nurture their ideas and values, and leave mine to hell alone!

I am a WASP, therefore, I must be a bigot!

I'll except anyone who wants to be an American, but I reject those who want to change my country into what they had to run away from!

Ryan| 4.8.10 @ 1:33PM

Honestly, pride of "race" is a bad idea. There's no accomplishment of being proud of something you have no control over.

Tim*| 4.8.10 @ 10:48AM

You sound like one of The Gender Confused to use your creepy term " Tea Bagger " .
It's T.E.A. = " Tax Enough Already " , Girlie Boy !
" This grass roots movement didn’t begin when Obama took office or in reaction to his specific agenda, but instead began to form during the Bush administration as government continued to expand. About the time TARP found its way into the political lexicon, it went public. It was the size of the crisis and response – the trillions of dollars thrown around like confetti – that finally spurred people into the streets and birthed the official “tea party movement”.

Tea Party Rallies Tax Day April 15th ,Across America.
You're Invited Too .

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 10:49AM

"Is calling Tea Party activists racist the best liberals can do? "

Well, yes. If you read enough "liberal" (i.e., State-fellator) comment, particularly on the blogosophere (where the really stupid and/or demented "liberals" hang out) , it should be fairly obvious that logical argument isn't their bag, man.

Plus, what do you expect? Honesty and candor? "We want to treat you tax-serfs the way those hillbillies in DELIVERANCE treated Ned Beatty, and if you can't learn to enjoy it, at least submit quietly?" People whose political philosophy is, at root, simply legalized plunder (to use Bastiat's immortal phrase), and whose worldview is shaped by a kind of Marxist post-modernism that says "There is no truth but socialist truth," aren't exactly the kind of people you would expect honesty and candor from.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 10:54AM

Where were these Tea Baggers when a corrupt court overthrew the Constitution to install Bush in 2000? One of the biggest crimes this nation has ever seen, and they were nowhere to be found, nor were the NRA nutcases. Constitution? Bull poop: Selfishness.

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 11:10AM

Jon B (whoapparently gets really riled when somebody seems to threaten Mommy State) says "selfishness" like it's a bad thing.

If someone Jonnie's pillow (the one with Obama riding a unicorn on it) and shoved it over his breathing apparatus and tried to smother him, what would his first reaction be? Would it be to think of whatever Higher Good was being served by his asphyxiation? (Well, if he's drunk enough of the Kool-Aid he might, but I'm talking if some normal part of his brain were still functioning.) Or would it be the simple, selfish--and perfectly rational--desire to get that pllow off his face.

Well, Jon, to those of us who value liberty, and for whom liberty is the breath of life, our reaction to "Il Dufe" and his statism is the same: Get that pillow off our face! Yeah, that's selfish. BFD.

wukong| 4.8.10 @ 11:23AM

Jon, as a point of interest, why did the Gore campaign not wish to include Bay County, Florida in the "chad" charade?

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 11:45AM

The FL SC ordered a Statewide recount. Gore only asked for 4 counties to be counted as at least 3 were required by Florida State law for a hand recount. What Gore wanted was irrelevant once the FL SC made that decision.

However, there is no 12-12 deadline written in law anywhere for counting votes. The US SC simply made one up. Have you read the 'decision?"

If there was a deadline that threw out legal votes, that would violate the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment as defined by numerous US SC decisions-you know, "Based in Law" something the 12-12-2000 was not. You do like Constitutional law, right?

jakadues| 4.8.10 @ 11:57AM

Yaaawwwwwnnnn

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 12:05PM

The reason we exist as a nation and why we fought the Revolutionary War, the right to pick representation is boring to you? Perhaps try a country more to your liking, one w/o a Constitution?

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 12:14PM

Hey, Jon, I apologize. Here I am thinking you were some sort of collectivist State-fellator; but apparently you're an admirer of the Founding Fathers. So you actually believe in the Lockean, classical-liberal, limited-government values that inspired the American Revolution? Probably a real admirer of the Radical Whigs, no doubt.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 2:13PM

If the Tea Baggers were serious, they'd have started 10 years ago, and the new Health Care bill would be a continuation of their concerns. I'd say their focus is too narrow, and that they trivialize their intent by focusing only on the recent events. They also totally miss the solution: Full public financing of all political campaigns. No significant favors before, during or after political service. Their protests come across as emotion based because of this.

Margie| 4.8.10 @ 2:47PM

That you, frothy hysterical Liberal Reader?

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 3:13PM

I doubt it, Margie. As I recall "Liberal Reader" was the Voice of Reason compared to this guy.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 7:49PM

^The sweet smell of defeat.

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 2:42AM

That smell ain't so sweet--Obama Butt Boy!

Jon B| 4.10.10 @ 7:41PM

Naturally, when one has his head up his arse as you do, it smells. Thanks for the 'Heads up!"

Jon B Everybody's Butt Boy!| 4.11.10 @ 3:33AM

It's tough for you to get your head up your ass with all the gerbils already up there--but somehow you manage. Pervert.

Anthony| 4.8.10 @ 12:14PM

You are a complete fool. Why don't you read the Bush v. Gore decision. The U.S.Supreme Court by a 7/2 vote agreed that the Florida Supreme Court had violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution. The 5/4 split was on the single issue of remanding the case back to the Florida Supreme Court for a third time. Five justices said enough was enough, the Florida Supreme Court was hopelessly biased and split, the country needed closure and a president.
The election was not stolen by Bush; if anything, it was Gore who recklessly chose to challenge the ballot procedure, approved by the Democrat controlled Florida legislature, and used in previous elections, and have the entire nation witness this insane process of election officials using magnifying glasses to determine the INTENT of the voter. Wake the hell up, you idiot.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 1:00PM

Your premise is false: On 11-22-2000, the US SC told the FL SC that they couldn't make new election laws after the election. The election laws on the books allowed the County canvassing boards to create standards for a hand count, the same as 33 other states in 2000. Yet on 12-12-2000, the US SC ruled against the FL SC because the FL SC didn't make new counting standard laws after the election now saying that the FL SC "had the power to do so" just 3 weeks after the US SC said it was illegal.

Further...

Elections are held for one reason: To count all the votes. There are State, Federal, and Constitutional election laws to make sure all of the votes are counted. The US SC could've remanded it back to the FL SC asking for a uniform counting standard, though votes are counted by different standards nation wide. Instead, the US SC chose to throw out tens of thousands of legal votes by creating a deadline that does not exist in law anywhere.

Take the emotion out of your argument and you appear as you are: a bag of hot gas.

JonB| 4.8.10 @ 10:52PM

I don't need to read anything Keith Olberman and Ed schultz keep me truthfully informed.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 11:43PM

Who are they?

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 2:41AM

Your fellow Obama Butt Boys--as if you didn't know.

Radegunda| 4.9.10 @ 12:45AM

You are ignorant of what actually happened in Florida, when the Dems tried the oft-used trick of demanding hand-counts controlled by Dems after stuffing the ballot boxes with double-punched ballots, and ballots sent through the punching machines in bunches.

Why do you think Algore demanded hand counts in only a couple of counties? The pretext was the butterfly ballot---which had nothing to do with dimpled chads!

A Democrat lawyer boasted about how many elections he had swung by exactly the same tactic.

It's Democrats who push the laws that make cheating easier. It's Democrats who want same-day registration and who scream in rage at the very idea of asking voters for ID.

Jon B| 4.10.10 @ 7:48PM

Nothing you said in regards to the 2000 election is true, or relevant. I've read a lot about the 2000 and there was never any evidence of ballot stuffing at all, ever. There were numerous observers from both sides, and threats of violence towards ballot counters from paid Republican congressional staffers. I'm sure, as a scholer, you're aware the George Bush's top IT guy, Mike COnnell, admitted that he helped steal the election in FLorida electronically, right? The same guy who had all the White House emails deleted and shifted the Diebold vote tallies to a central computer in Tennessee before they went to the Ohio State tabulators in 2004. You KNEW that right? Connell was under subpoena and indictaed that he was ready to talk when he died in a plane crash December 19, 2008. His closest coworker, Stephen Spoonamore, had already testified as COnnell told him about it first. Spoonamore also found that Diebold rigged Saxy Chambliss' "win" in Georgia in 2002. FOX told you, right?

Who did the people of Florida choose in 2000 is what matters. The US SC shut down the election before it was over and violated the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Anyone care to take of the neocon mantel on this one?

Jon B Lib Screeder| 4.11.10 @ 3:35AM

Liar. Bush outsmarted Gore's sleazy ACORN election theft effort in 2000.

Get over it, bonehead.

Dustoff| 4.8.10 @ 11:16AM

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 10:54AM
Where were these Tea Baggers when a corrupt court overthrew the Constitution to install Bush in 2000
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hey Jon... Just maybe YOU should read up on the "Constitution"

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 11:47AM

This was an arbitrary decision made by 5 judges on the US SC, not made by or written in law: ar-bi-trar-y 2. decided by a judge or arbiter rather than by law or statute; ARBITRARY. What depends on the will of the judge, not regulated or established by law; LAW, ARBITRARY. An arbitrary law is one made by the legislator simply because he wills it, and is not founded in the nature of things; such as law.

* From Bush V Gore: "Equal protection applies as well to the manner of its exercise. Having once granted the right to vote on equal terms, the State may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person's vote over that of another. See, e.g., Harper v. Virginia Bd. of Elections, 383 U.S. 663, 665 (1966) (“[O]nce the franchise is granted to the electorate, lines may not be drawn which are inconsistent with the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment”)."

...“[t]he idea that one group can be granted greater voting strength than another is hostile to the one man, one vote basis of our representative government.” Id. , at 819.

The US SC favored one set of votes over another giving ZERO strength to one set of legal votes while another had full strength=unequal protection, different values given to legal votes, etc, a violation of the equal protection clause. Thanks for asking, but I have read up on it.

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 12:01PM

So, Jon, obviously you're still incensed about this alleged vote grab. I gather that it so bothered you that you became a libertarian. You probably oppose Obama's redistrubitionist statism as much as you opposed Bush, right? Or is it you were just incensed by the court's decision on Bush v. Gore because your particular gang of State-shtuppers didn't seize the presidency that time?

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 12:17PM

Just pointing out the obvious: Tea Baggers are a MSM media creation. They generally aren't deep thinkers, but rather people who react off of emotions. Bush V America (He sued Americans to throw out their votes, not Al Gore), is one of the biggest crimes and easily the most significant violation of the Constitution this country has ever witnessed. Where were they?

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 12:26PM

So if the "Tea Baqggers" (and again I point out that it's better to be a tea bagger for liberty than a butt-boy for Obama*) weren't as you claim, "the creation of the " MSM media" (sic), you would support them?

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 12:38PM

Butt boy for Obama? I didn't vote for Obama. He's clearly a corporate candidate as well. Not nearly as bad as Bush, but bad enough. You seem stuck on a certain kind of thinking pattern that makes you feel good, and haven't bust out of your own bubble of emotions yet.

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 1:06PM

"Butt boy for Obama? I didn't vote for Obama." I didn't say you did, although I am surprised you didn't (assuming you're telling the truth), since you seem to have the intelligence-level and reasoning abilities of the typical Obama supporter. Whom did you vote for, if I may ask?

And you still haven't answered my question: If the Tea Party movement were a genuinely grass-roots anti-statist movement, would you support them or not?

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 1:22PM

I think they're completely misguided, and generally clueless. What they know is that something's wrong, but not exactly how or why, or even what. In that sense, I support their malcontent.

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 1:39PM

"I think they're completely misguided, and generally clueless. What they know is that something's wrong, but not exactly how or why, or even what . . . ." Gee, you coulda fooled me. I thought that what they were against is Il Dufe's expansion of the State, with the inevitable rise of taxation, not to mention all the other ills that result from statism. What do you think they should be against? You seem to be reluctant to reveal your own particular ideological axe to grind.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 1:44PM

The inevitable rise of taxation came chiefly when Reagan redistributed wealth to the top quadrupling the National debt in 12 years, and raised taxes several times on the low and Middle classes, and again when Bush spent and spent and spent us into this hole. Thanks, because you're actually supporting my premise now, that they're clueless about how, when and why this happened.

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 2:38PM

Okay, so you disliked Reagan's handling of the economy. So what would you have done differently? Specifics, please.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 2:55PM

Well, first of all, I wouldn't have made a deal with the Ayatollah (arms for hostages as reported by life long Republican Lawrence Walsh-the Iran/Contra prosecutor) so then I wouldn't have had to arm Saddam as well to counter the Ayatollah, as Reagan and GHW Bush did for 8 years saving millions in welfare immediately.

The low and middle class workers are the drivers of the economy since they buy goods when they can afford it, whereas the top already has enough money to buy whatever they want. So I would not raise taxes on them as Reagan did, nor would I have lowered taxes on the top 1% to less than 1/3rd of what they paid under Ike. The actual wealth redistribution is built into the wage system where a few skim off the labor of others. Reagan fed that corruption. I also wouldn't have sold cocaine in America (GHW Bush's DEA head admitted it on 60 minutes in 1993) to fund dictators in central America, ending another welfare program Reagan's administration supported.

To Reagan's credit, he recognized that his wealth redistribution went too far as he attempted to correct the problem in part by creating the AMT tax for corporations, and rescinded some of his own tax cuts.

...As a start.

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 3:09PM

"The actual wealth redistribution is built into the wage system where a few skim off the labor of others."

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I think Jon B. has finally shown his colors.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 7:11PM

Why are low income workers taxed less by the Fed Progressive, yet taxed at rates over 14 times more than the top 1% by the FICA tax? Why does the bottom 20% pay almost double as %-age of income as a National average for State and Local taxes?

Back to the Fed progressive. The wealthy have a choice: They can pay low income workers more money so they can afford to pay taxes, or they can pay them jack shit, and scrape the cream off the top for themselves, then WHINE like babies that THEY ONLY THEY pay taxes! They chose the latter. Only you can't see it, for some reason.

Not many here (probably ZERO) are even aware of the actual tax rates in total taxes (State, local and both federal taxes) that the top 1% and the bottom 20% actually pay.

Achilles Toejam| 4.9.10 @ 12:31AM

Bilwick, it would seem that Jon is fixated on the 2000 election and some kind of perceived injustice or legal impropriety but hasn't said anything about the issue of constitutional qualification of Barack Obama being a natural born citizen and failing to produce the documentation to show it, where's the outrage there?

Bush is gone and it's over and done with whatever he believes, and I'm touched he has such reverence for the Constitution and reading through the posts is getting boring and I think he's just trying to be a pain in the butt and it's time to stop casting our pearls before the swine so to speak you're just wasting your time with this one.

Jon B| 4.9.10 @ 9:05AM

The facts speak for themselves. If you wish to actually engage in a debate so you can be proven wrong in your perception that might be some doubt as to whether it was unconstitutional when BU$H sued America to throw out tens of thousands of legal American votes, please start now. We'll let a candid Spectator blogosphere be our witness.

The Republican Governor of Hawaii has said that he saw the actual Obama birth certificate. Hawaii does not release the original as a matter of law. So you fabricated a counter argument to distract from an actual proven violation. An old trick, of course.

JonB| 4.8.10 @ 10:53PM

I will not remove my tin foil hat until justice is served.

Anthony| 4.8.10 @ 11:58AM

The answer to your question is yes, THIS is the best the Left can offer up agaist the Tea Party movement. The reasons are simple; the Left is intellectually and morally BANKRUPT.
Their infantile and wildly hypocritical reactions to us and the Tea Party movement demonstrates that they cannot offer up intelligent and rationale defenses to their Leftist agenda. Hence, ad homimin attacks, lies and racism labels.
Take for instance the Left's racist rants against blacks who are conservatives and/or members of the Tea Party Movement. On the one hand, the Left chastises the Right for being a 'whites only" fringe group, not open to the larger American public. Yet, it is these same plantation Leftists that excoriate blacks for not being in complete lock-step with Obama, and consider such acts treason. LOGICAL: NO. But that does not stop the Left.
Same faulty logic applies to Frank Rich, Blow and the other loony Leftists. They claim the Tea Party movement is the clan in disguise, why? because they're are no MINORITIES. Yet Jessie Jackson's "Rainbow Coalition" is never questioned as to being exclusively black, with the fall back position that any minority that dares joins the conservative side, is an Uncle Tom or traitor.
Bottom line; reasoning with the Left is impossible and we need to stop trying and just start kicking some ass.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 11:58AM

Allow me to expand a bit: There is no 12-12 deadline for counting votes written in law anywhere. The US SC took a hearsay statement from the Florida legislature, a desire, or wish, and created a deadline from it. It doesn't exist in law anywhere, State or federal. Because the US SC created this deadline out of thin air, they made an arbitrary decision that not only wasn't based in law, but also violated even their own definition of the equal protection clause of the 14the amendment.

Bram| 4.8.10 @ 12:31PM

As Obama said, "Jon, the election's over."

Stop whining about a decade old issue. This article is about liberals calling me racist because I oppose their statist policies.

Comment on the article or go away.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 12:46PM

OK. The article insists that the "leftist media" is biased because the media has focused on clearly racist comments and signs of the Tea Baggers. Signs they made, comments out of their own mouths. Yet in 1999, when there was a massive protest about the WTO in Seattle, with a daily schedule of pointed speakers discussing the ramifications of giving up American sovereignty, the media focused on 10 to 15 people who broke windows: The Black Block, or whatever it was. Was MSM media leftist then?

When there were 30,000 at Bush's coronation in 2000 after he sued America, our first court installed President, and MSM media didn't cover the protests at all, and barely, just barely covered the unconstitutional installation of Bush, was the media "leftist" then?

When a couple dozen US intelligence officials spoke out pre-war stating that the Bush administration created propaganda against Saddam, and that there was no evidence (covered only in print media), and MSM TV media looked the other instead promoting a war, were they "leftists" then?

Not in any of the cases was the media leftist, but rather they presented what best benefited corporations, what made the most money. The article is based on a false premise, and because this is the Spectator where the dialogue is somewhat elevated, we can call it what it is: an obvious or even oblivious lie.

NavyBrat | 4.8.10 @ 1:04PM

John B, your obfuscations grow tiresome. Do you cry in your beer every day about this supposed "stolen election?" Is your ire over "stolen elections" as passionate over the Franken/Coleman race, where we just kept on recounting til we reached the magic number? What about the ballots found in the back seat of someone's car? Where were YOU, one might ask. But I think we all know the answer to that, don't we, tovarich?

"Signs they made, comments out of their own mouths."

As to this drivel ridden sentence fragment (it certainly isn't a complete sentence-you must be publicy un-educated), show me ONE SINGLE video or audio clip of these supposedly inflamatory words. Signs? What about 'em? Portraying Obama with a Hitler 'stache? Gimme a break. Bush got worse every single day from those of your ilk. Save your self righteous indignation for those who care, hypocrite.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 1:08PM

Your post says nothing about the content of the article, nor does it defend any position other than your emotions. I'm guessing that what I said doesn't make you "feel Good" so you responded off of emotion. Thanks, but please try harder next time.

NavyBrat | 4.8.10 @ 1:15PM

"Your post says nothing about the content of the article, nor does it defend any position other than your emotions."

Uh, yeah it does. Maybe you missed all those words under the sentence fragment quote of yours I posted. Come back & talk to me when you have at least a 6th grade reading comprehension level, junior.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 1:25PM

Your reply was to a voice in your head, not my post, except for your criticism of Grammar. All I needed was a colon, but now that you're here, I'd say we have an over abundance of colons. You focused on the trivial so you wouldn't have to actually think about the over all, and now you're denying it even though it's right there in your text. Are you always this dishonest with yourself?

NavyBrat | 4.8.10 @ 1:43PM

"All I needed was a colon, but now that you're here, I'd say we have an over abundance of colons."

Cute. But I don't have one. Tell me more about myself, ametuer head-shrinker. I guess there's no explaining anything to the willfully ignorant.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 1:51PM

Excellent self-analysis.

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 2:40AM

Is that what you learned in your years of electo-shock therapy?

It didn't help. Sorry.

Bram| 4.8.10 @ 3:39PM

Jon is obviously not old enough to drink beer.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 8:10PM

I wouldn't want to redistribute your stash.

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 1:49AM

But the punk's old enough to drink the kool aid!

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 9:04PM

What election?
They called it off before counting all the votes. There is no "election" when the court can selectively pick-n-choose which votes to count and which legal votes they want to throw away as the US SC did in 2000.

Radegunda| 4.9.10 @ 12:51AM

It's Democrats who keep "finding" new votes until they have enough. That's what happened in the Washington governor's race--stolen in plain sight. It's also how Al Franken got into the Senate.

In Florida 2000, Dems tried the strategy of adding new ballots between recounts and demanding selective hand counts controlled by Dems. It was appropriate to end their naked attempt at election theft.

Algore never wanted a hand count of the whole state. And he didn't want military ballots to be counted either. The Dem lawyers were high-fiving each other for every military ballot they got thrown out.

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 1:51AM

2000 was fascist liberals' first attempt to steal a presidential election via ACORN.

Georgie W outsmarted them. Hee hee!

Bill A | 4.8.10 @ 12:28PM

Typical tactics for liberals and democrats, what I call catfish. In the streams we played in when I was younger we would amuse ourselves by trying to cath the catfish with our hands. As soon as they felt threatened the fish headed for the streams muddy bottom. Once there they would thrash abou muddying the waters so you could not see anything. Conversations with democrats are no less muddy. They cannot stay on point and so resort to obfuscation. Since they have no logic to respond to Tea Party's often valid criticisms, they resort to name calling. Whatever sub-group label members of the Tea party fulfill is inconsequential
to the validity of their arguments. The truth spoken by a fool is still the truth while foolishness spoken by an intelligent person is still gibberish.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 12:36PM

The Tea Partiers are valid, just 10 years too late. The rest of us watched the massive violations of the Constitution for the last 10 years, and we saw how MSM media treated us. There were protests of 150,000 then 300,000 then 500,000 in DC against the unconstitutional war in Iraq. An unnecessary war that helped bankrupt America, and sent 5,000 US troops to their graves when we could've used the Army to defend against America's enemies instead. The media barely gave it a whisper, but when a smaller # of folks protest against making people who can afford it pay for their own health care effectively reducing socialized medicine roll calls, and the media goes ape over it, it's easy to understand who butters the media's bread: Corporate advertisers/interests, and not the Constitution, or the people.

Al Adab| 4.8.10 @ 12:51PM

Since racism is abhorent, the Left will continue to use the charge as their last remaining argument against statism. It is chimerical but is all they have left in the quiver.

The TEA Party must continue their efforts as should others who remain opposed to this newly imposed Tyranny. Any who saw the IRS chief yesterday must realize what we have become. We are become wards of the state, servants of their ideology and central planning elitism. Freedom has no place in their lexicon.

Non-compliance is the best tool remaining for those who oppose this onerous and dictatorial mandate. Begin with the ballot box in November and even in the primaries. Follow with refusals. Those who voted for this travesty must go Only those willing to stand against funding should win our support.

Tim*| 4.8.10 @ 12:55PM

Tea Party Rallies Across America ,Tax Day April 15th

The Critic Agendists are trying to tear down the Tea Party's Momentum.

We,Tea Party Rebels Say ," Bring It " !

Lazy Jack | 4.8.10 @ 12:59PM

Schoolyard Rules; or, is Racism the only argument left to the liberals?

I had a conversation with an absolute supporter of the Left and the healthcare legislation two weeks ago. As I described the legislation’s potential risks to our company and the probabilities of unintended consequences and the near certainty that the mandate is unconstitutional and the provable fact that the cost spiral really started when Medicare and Medicaid were enacted I was met first with silence and then the statement: All those Republicans are racist. I assume she felt that I was not a tobacco chewing, wife-beating, war-mongering, insensitive, uneducated Republican. I leave it to you to guess my politics.

I should not have been surprised, but the words uttered from a rational person with whom I have had a long relationship were startling. In other words, if you oppose anything the President does, you are a racist. I suppose if you picked Duke to win the 2010 NCAA basketball tournament, you are a racist. If you do not like the White Sox, read the previous sentence. I expected this from Jesse, and Al, and Eleanor Clift, and Keith Olbermann. That is politics (race baiting, but politics). But, from an average citizen? And that is why we got here.

Perhaps in this there is some hope. The left, so apparently devoid of originality, has devolved to schoolyard arguments to defend obviously awful policy. I especially like their argument in favor of healthcare. Other countries nationalized healthcare, so we should too!! And if you do not agree, you are a Klansperson. Nyah, Nyah, Nyah, Nyah, Nyah… Nyah. That appears to be the best the Left has left, now that we are getting to know the bill.

How much longer will the citizenry swallow this infantile logic before retiring the current ruling elite, now in power since 1932? Tragically, it appears we have been willing to swallow an ocean full of it. In previous generations our own petty socialists appeared to be adults, and their false veneer of dogoodisms seemed marginally more sincere. But now that the Left’s rhetorical argument in support of their agenda is reduced to calling everyone who disagree a bigot, perhaps the socialist tide can be pushed back. More to the point, it, and they, deserve to be.

Here’s hoping for some real change this time around.

Accusations of Racism and the perpetual blaming of Bush: The last arguments of scoundrels.

Lazy Jack

www.thanksforthelaughs.wordpress.com

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 1:06PM

Jack, it would be good of you to note that the Health Care bill is the one the HMO's bought and paid for with massive lobbying and donations to Congressmen over the last 15 months. The most effective solutions for health care was never on the table, and Republicans had no credible answer, but rather obfuscation that benefited the greedy even more. However, 'Obamacare' does have concessions for the people that you'd never get from Republicans in a million years. As long as people focus on Republicans V Democrats, they'll miss the more important issue of corporate influence of policy that takes away from the people.

Bill A | 4.8.10 @ 1:30PM

Jon B The republicans never neede a credible answer since congress does not have authority to make our citizens buy ANY product, good or commodity.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 1:47PM

When you pay taxes, you buy all kinds of stuff. If you want to live here, not exist as a homeless bum, you work, pay taxes and buy all kinds of things you don't want-like an illegal and unnecessary war that actually helped bankrupt this country. Why the sudden concern when someone makes a change so that people who can afford to buy their own insurance, effectively taking these people off of the socialized medicine plans?

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 2:38AM

How about numerous illegal power grabs like taking over the car and banking industries and 1/5 of our economy--healthcare?

Guess your outrage is selective, moron.

Jon B| 4.9.10 @ 9:07AM

Yes, horrible of BU$H to make those agreements with the Auto and Bank industries. Thanks for bringing that up!

ZerObama| 4.9.10 @ 2:19PM

Nice try, Butt Boy, but we all know that Obummer is responsible for the forcible takeover of the banking and auto industries, student loans and 1/5 of the economy--healthcare.

Marxist for sure! Fascist, too! Tyrannical and corrupt to the core most definitely!!

Jon B| 4.11.10 @ 10:54PM

The agreements were made under BU$H. Sorry pal.

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy| 4.12.10 @ 5:42AM

Sorry, Butt Boy, "the agreements" were facilitated under your main squeeze, Obummer.

Bush isn't a traitor, he'd never take over whole industries like commie Obamao.

NavyBrat | 4.8.10 @ 1:07PM

The race baiting & Bush blaming by lefties like John B can best be summed up this way:

"When you have no basis for argument, abuse the plantiff."...Cicero

Enough said.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 1:10PM

Why does defending the Constitution and pointing out the obvious make someone a "lefty?"

NavyBrat | 4.8.10 @ 1:19PM

What makes you a hypocrite (usually synonomous w/lefty) is that you're selective in your hissy fits about unconstitutionality. Again, where was your ire about the MN Senate race? Where's your ire about the INHERENT UNCONSTITUTIONALITY of Obamacare MANDATING, under penalty of fine or jail, that Americans buy ANYTHING? You are a hypocrite of the first order due to your selective memory.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 1:41PM

Gee, Navy Sausage, why are you FORCING ME to pay for someone's socialized medicine when people who can afford to buy their own health insurance are getting Medicare and Medicaid? You're arguing so that other Americans have to foot the bill.

The true problem, Navy Sausage, is that corporations controlled the debate from the start. You've never allowed those thoughts to even enter your mind.

If you want to drive a car in America, you have to buy insurance (except in Mississippi). If you want to live in America, you have to pay for your own health care if you can afford it. You can move anytime, Sausage. Let me help you out with that.

NavyBrat | 4.8.10 @ 1:51PM

"If you want to drive a car in America, you have to buy insurance (except in Mississippi)."

I see your knowledge of government is as good as your knowledge of grammar & reading comprehension. Car insurance madates are STATE mandates, idiot.

PS. I DO pay for my own healthcare, asshat. Right outta my own pocket. Now I get to pay even MORE, thanks to this debacle. If you think this farce is such a good idea, maybe YOU'RE the one who should book their one way ticket to Cuba for their glorious heathcare system.

PS. I'd rather get insurance from a corporation. The gub-ment doesn't care if you're a repeat customer. Want reform? Allow people to buy insurance across state lines & enact tort reform. Tax credits for low-income folks. There are TONS of other options other than the crock of BS we just got crammed down our throats.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 2:00PM

Your feigned disgust, that you can't be forced to purchase any commodity, is then completely fabricated because you focus on a technicality, not on the actual "offense."

NavyBrat | 4.8.10 @ 2:10PM

Try reading the 10th amendment, Mr. Constitutional Scholar. It's not a "technicality." It's the letter of the supreme law of the land. Keep trying, sonny boy. You'll get it soon enough.

"The mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain a thought without accepting it."...Aristotle

Again, thanks for illustrating the point.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 2:14PM

Who gave the states the "right" to force you to buy goods?

NavyBrat | 4.8.10 @ 4:44PM

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."... 10th Amendment, US Constitution

Pretty unambiguous for anyone who can read. Although your suspect abilities in the areas of reading comprehension are evident for all to see. This is where the States derive their "rights" to do this.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 6:59PM

You mean like when the US SC intervened to create new laws for the 2000 election?

Thanks, BTW, because Federal law gives that power to the States. So your complaint isn't actually against being forced to buy health insurance so others do not have to pay for yours, and it's not about violations of the Constitution, since no doubt you didn't say a word when the US SC violated the Constitution when they installed Bush, no doubt you didn't say a word when Bush declared war ion Iraq, not Congress, likely you said nothing when privacy laws where violated, but rather your complaint is that a Democrat passed something that might be successful. Thanks for that:)

Dave J.| 4.8.10 @ 7:03PM

The state can require you to register your vehicle, insure it and get a driver's license but no state I'm aware of requires you to buy a car, or to drive. That's the difference between taxing or regulating an activity, and taxing your mere existence, which is what the individual mandate is.

A clarification: the states are inherently sovereign. They are not "granted" rights by the 10th Amendment. The 10th Amendment simply makes more express what was already the case prior to the adoption of the Bill of Rights, namely that the federal government is one of enumerated powers, while the states are not.

The federal constitution's original text, even without the 10th Amendment, is a grant of specific powers: if it ain't in there, the feds can't do it. Conversely, the state constitutions are limitations on power: the states can do anything they are not prohibited from doing.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 7:17PM

No state requires you to live in America either. It's your choice.

Soren| 4.8.10 @ 9:12PM

Well my people have been here for over ten thousand years and we are getting tired of your newcomers telling us what to do. We aren't going anywhere, why don't you move back to Crapistan or whatever little pud-suck country your people came from.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 9:42PM

"Your people?" Are you a racist? I thought that we were all Americans.

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 1:54AM

I wonder how many Obama knee-pads Jon B Obama's Butt Boy wears out in a week!

Le Cracquere| 4.8.10 @ 6:11PM

Correct me if I err, but I think you'll find that one only needs to buy insurance to operate a car on publicly-owned roads. As long as you stick to your own property, you're free to careen around sans license, insurance, or tags--at 120 mph with a .07 BAH if that suits you.

Your parallel only holds if you consider us a species of government property simply by virtue of being citizens. (In your case, I won't automatically rule that out.)

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 7:21PM

You choose whether or not you want to live here. The government doesn't force it upon you. Just as you choose to drive on public roads.

In reality, no one owns property in America. Stop paying taxes on said property, and what happens? It's another form of rent. You pay for having more rights than a general tenant, but you still pay "rent" for your land. They just gave it another name: taxes.

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 1:55AM

Buzz off, Obama's Butt Boy!

Jon B| 4.9.10 @ 9:10AM

Looks like the MSM media was too kind when they only called you Tea Baggers "racist." I suspect that the media may be right wing.

ZerObama| 4.9.10 @ 2:21PM

Only from your drug addled brain on crack would you think that, Butt Boy. Need a new pair of Obama knee pads do you?

Mike Giles| 4.8.10 @ 1:19PM

Jon B.
As another poster stated, you're sort of late to the game on the 2000 election. Especially on the issue of the USSC decision. The issue was based on a simply fact, you are not allowed to change the rules after the election. Not a difficult concept to grasp - unless of course you're a leftist. To them the actual written rules are meaningless if they don't like the outcome. If they also weren't as collectively dumb as a bag of hammers , they be aware that under every scenario - save one - Bush still won the election. Interestingly enough, the only scenario where Bush lost, was recounting the votes - hanging chads, double voting, magically ascertaining the wishes of the none voters and all - in heavily Democratic counties and ignoring the rest of the state.

As for the topic of this thread, black representation among Tea Partiers pretty much resembles the actual percentage of blacks in the general population. Which is about right for any mainstream political movement. What's odd is their over representation in Democratic ranks - a political movement that has been historically anti black. From supporting slavery, through Jim Crow, to an entitlement system that has destroyed black communities. Isn't it the Democrats who fight tooth and nail against a voucher system (or any improvement that doesn't consist of teachers being paid more for less work), something that would benefit blacks above all others ?

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 1:29PM

That's not true at all Mike. The US SC ruled against the FL SC on 12-12-2000 because the FL SC DIDN'T CHANGE the rules after the election by making a new counting standard rule.

Yet the US SC created a new deadline (not written in law anywhere) after the election. So even if you were right (you're not), you'd be against the creation of a new deadline after the election that does not exist in law anywhere.

ZerObama| 4.9.10 @ 1:57AM

Liar. 2000 was just you Marxists' first attempt to steal a pesidential election--and GWB outsmarted you!
Loser.

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 1:43PM

Let's take a poll. How many of you think Jon B. is a sincere Constitutionalist, and how many of you think he's the typical "liberal" (i.e., State-fellating)
troll, to divert the narrative (Tea Partiers defending liberty from the encroachments of Il Dufe and his supporters) to discussions of Bush vs. Gore?

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 1:49PM

Yes, please change the subject so you never have to face the fallacy of your position :)

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 2:33PM

"Yes, please change the subject so you never have to face the fallacy of your position :) "

Which would be . . .? (And please base your analysis of "my" position, and any fallacies in it, on things I've actually written.)

NavyBrat | 4.8.10 @ 1:54PM

Bilwick. I'm gonna go with your latter sentiment. Yet another one of the fellatious followers of Obama. An obfuscator extrodinaire.

Al Adab| 4.8.10 @ 2:04PM

Brat, et al:
In re: Jon B
Marcus Aurelius said, "don't waste time bandying words with phillistines and crackpots."

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 1:55PM

Your concession of the debate is accepted. Now that we're "comrades," let's have a beer.

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 2:40PM

Does anyone else hear that sound? Every time Jon B. posts, it' s a large squeaking sound, as if made by a large weasel.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 2:47PM

Please leave your weasel out of it.

ZerObama| 4.9.10 @ 1:58AM

I bet you know a lot about mens' weasels, weasel.

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 2:48PM

Actually Jon, for anyone to concede a debate, there would actually have to be a debate, which usually involves oneparty attempting to logically and factually refute the specific points or ideas raised by another party. With you it's less of a debate than what happens when I try to engage in a rational discussion with the guy on the subway who thinks CIA agents controlled by Moon Men were behind the Dick York/Dick Sargent "Darren" switch on BEWITCHED.

Tim*| 4.8.10 @ 2:05PM

“A mandate requiring all individuals to purchase health insurance would be an unprecedented form of federal action. The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States.”
Congressional Budget Office (1994)

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 2:08PM

I'd accept this premise except that it ignores the fact the we are "forced to pay" for other people's health care if we work. We are "forced to pay" for counterfeit wars (Vietnam and Iraq), and numerous other extravaganzas, and have for a very long time. What's changed?

NavyBrat | 4.8.10 @ 2:13PM

"I'd accept this premise except that it ignores the fact the we are "forced to pay" for other people's health care if we work."

One more try. Yes, this is true, Jon, but we ain't forced to pay for EVERYONE'S insurance. At least not til 2014. That's the crux of the issue.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 2:16PM

On the contrary, you've been forced to pay for other people's health care since Medicare and Medicaid were passed. But now, and only now, when the Government forces ONLY people who can afford to buy their own insurance to actually buy it, you protest? You see? Your concern contradicts itself.

Curtis Rasmussen| 4.8.10 @ 2:49PM

For the first time in American history, I am forced to buy insurance from a private company by the mere fact that I'm breathing. This is not a tax to redistribute income (SS, Medicare).

What's next? I have to buy a GM car because the government owns it? I have to install wireless devices in my house so the Feds can shut off my power if they feel I use too much? Where does this unconstitutional assault on my life, liberty, and property end?

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 3:01PM

Yes, you have to pay for your own health care instead of making others pay for it IF YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE IN AMERICA. You're not forced to work, however. But since you must be working, you were forced to pay what will be several trillion for an unnecessary war, you were forced to pay what seems to be $16 trillion in back door bank bailouts, and you've been forced to pay $300 billion a year as an average just on the interest of the National Debt since Reagan's policies quadrupled it. Why only focus on the $10 billion a year health care costs. Don't fool around, go for the throat and Git 'er done!!!

Btw, You can always move to Canada where you are not forced to pay for your own health care.

Curtis Rasmussen| 4.8.10 @ 3:21PM

Lib Screeder

The topic of discussion is the false accusation of racism thrown at the tea party movement and anyone who opposes the unconstitutional power grab in DC.

However, I'll be more than happy to design a time machine so you can go back to when your arguments were relevant.

George| 4.8.10 @ 3:24PM

Sorry Jon B, we do pay for our own health care. The federal government mandates it and the provinces each have their own version of health care that we pay into to get services. Those on welfare get it free just like they will in the U.S.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 7:22PM

Yes I know. Just trying to provide a nice counter based in the same illogical premise many here use. However, those who don't work in Canada receive free health care, right?

ZerObama| 4.9.10 @ 2:00AM

People get free healthcare here, too, bonehead. Just ask any illegal alien.

Jon B| 4.9.10 @ 9:11AM

^Another Tea Bagger has spoken!^

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 2:23PM

You seem to know a lot about 'teabagging', why is that Obama Butt Boy?

Tim*| 4.8.10 @ 2:47PM

However , The Federal Government doesn't force us to work.
We could agree on Free Choice Medical Savings Accounts

David| 4.8.10 @ 3:29PM

Hey Jon BOY, given enough time to manufacture the votes they need, liberals and ACORN will always be able to hand a close election to the dems.

It is useless to argue with a moron like you. You don't believe in FACTS, in abolute TRUTHS, in factual HISTORY, in RIGHT and WRONG, in GOOD and EVIL, or in equality of OPPORTUNITY but in equality of RESULTS.

You are the racist. You believe that black people and Hispanics can't compete with whitey without getting special preferences over whitey. Well, most of us happen to believe they can compete with whitey on an equal footing. And you claim WE are the ones who believe blacks are inferior. Like I said, you are a moron.

How is is that blacks are successful and are over-represented without getting preferential treatment in what are probably the three most competitive and demanding industries: professional sports, music, and entertainment (movies, comedians, etc.)? Do you have an answer?

David| 4.8.10 @ 3:38PM

Hey Jon BOY, here's a little education about a recent FACTUAL event concerning your comment about moving to Canada for healthcare. You're gonna love this.

About a month ago the Premier of New Foundland, Canada, went to Miami to have open heart surgery. Wait, wait, it gets better.

Canadians criticized him for it. He responded with, "It is my heart, my health, and my decision. I did not give up my right to get the BEST possible healthcare when I became a politician." Wait, wait, there's more.

He further said, "If had stayed in Canada and had the surgery, I would have been criticized for jumping to the front of the [waiting] line."

Don't you just love that little story about the real world? I will always remember it and repeat it as often as necessary to morons like you.

Oldefarte| 4.8.10 @ 3:42PM

Liberals brand conservatives as 'racists' in order to redirect the discussion away from and explanation of their/liberals' agenda. It's all [as Obama told Joe the Plumber] about WEALTH RIDISTRIBUTION. The conservatives' anger is all about THE MONEY, not about RACE; since liberals are using the governmental mechanism to force the transfer of more money from taxpayers to the favored class of liberals [indigents dependent upon government]. Conservative are kind and generous people that daily perform acts of kindness toward the less fortionate; but they are seeing their incomes being stolen by liberals politically by means of government transfers. This WELFARECARE is taking medical insurance coverage from the elderly [tea partiers] who have worked a lifetime making payroll payments for Medicare and now seeing Obama dismantle Medicare in order to give medical insurance government benefits to their indigent/welfare constituents. It's about MONEY, not RACIAL ANAMOSITY!!!!

Old Soldier| 4.8.10 @ 3:45PM

And the troll has suceeded in hijacking the debate and changing the subject.

Bilwick| 4.8.10 @ 4:06PM

"And the troll has suceeded in hijacking the debate and changing the subject."

Indeed, OS. It's like these guys take some kind of training course in that. Maybe if you send in a box top to Daily Kos they send you the training manual.

Margie| 4.8.10 @ 5:27PM

Old Soldier,
Well, Liberal Reader aka Jon B. do serve a good purpose though~ to reveal the absolute rock hard Communist mindset! How it is impenetrable but for a miracle by the Creator.

The stronger the speaking out of truth to power by Patriotic Americans, the frothier the hysteria on the Communists part!

Let Freedom Ring on, Patriotic Americans!

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 7:03PM

Margie seems to hate the Baby Jesus, and the word of GOD, for some reason: “Take all that you own, sell it, and give the money to the poor.” Jesus Christ, the world’s first well known communist.

Acts 4:32-35 ~ And the multitude believed they were of one heart and one soul; neither said any of them that the things he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. Neither was there any among them that lacked, and distribution was made unto every man according to his need.

I guess she's a Muslim terrorist, using FOX news "rationales."

Margie| 4.8.10 @ 7:19PM

That you, Toddard?

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 7:31PM

Toddard again?
Does this mean you're looking for re-toddard people?

Margie| 4.8.10 @ 8:22PM

You lying Communists all spout the same lies, so you are "legion". Ever read about Legion in the Bible?

LiveFreeOrDie| 4.8.10 @ 8:02PM

“Take all that you own, sell it, and give the money to the poor. Jesus Christ, the world’s first well known communist."

This is advocating charity. Not forcibly stealing and doling it out to whoever and whatever. Your ignorance is abundant and your stupidity knows no bounds.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 8:20PM

"The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern." Proverbs 29:7

"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land." Deuteronomy 15:11

"'Cursed is the man who withholds justice from the alien, the fatherless or the widow.' Then all the people shall say, Amen!'" Deuteronomy 27:19

"Be careful not to harbor this wicked thought: The seventh year, the year for canceling debts, is near, so that you do not show ill will toward your needy brother and give him nothing. He may then appeal to the LORD against you, and you will be found guilty of sin." Deuteronomy 15:9

"You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the LORD is their refuge." Psalm 14:6

"He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished." Proverbs 17:5

"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered." Proverbs 21:13

"Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy." Proverbs 31:9

"The scoundrel's methods are wicked, he makes up evil schemes to destroy the poor with lies, even when the plea of the needy is just." Isaiah 32:7

# "If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth." 1 John 3:17-18

GOD seems to think you're a scoundrel and a sinner, LiveFeeorDye.

Soren| 4.8.10 @ 9:20PM

"Judge not, lest ye be judged".
Matthew 7:1

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 9:43PM

You must've have judged that others are judging.

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 2:03AM

Thou shall NOT steal, Jon B Obama's Butt Boy.

Did you forget, moron?

Constitutionalist| 4.8.10 @ 3:48PM

The phrase "The Tea Party" is misleading...there's no party, no organization, and it's anti-centralization. It's a herd of freedom-loving cats who assemble on significant days to express their opinions. There's no there, there. As such, anyone can wander in, and anyone can wander out. Anyone can claim to be a leader, anyone can follow. In my neck of the woods, there's a self-proclaimed "Tea Party Leader" who's putting on a little event this month. Most of the local libertarians/free marketeers/Tea Party people wrote him off long ago, because he's a bigoted blow-hard. His event is tiny compared to others in the region. We knew that eventually he'd shoot his mouth off, and that day came recently. Just as I suspected all along, he's now being shunned by most everyone else who knows his true character. No one wants to support his events or have anything to do with him. Why? Because generally, racists and bigots are assh*les. They're not fun people to be around. The Tea Party is self-correcting, because 99% of Tea Party people are the decent, taxpaying, hardworking, honest, responsible people who run the country. We don't want to hang out with jerks. (If we did, we'd invite Jon over for some Bush-bashing.)

Tim*| 4.8.10 @ 4:32PM

Tax Day Tea Parties Across America ,April 15th !

We Tea Party Rebels don't allow Trolls to " Define " Us or stop Us.

Rise Up !

kurt| 4.8.10 @ 8:50PM

That's right Timmy, you tea-baggers are doing a pretty good job of "Defining" (why that's capitalized in quotes,who knows?) yourselves........ as ignorant, racist, hateful, and stupid.

Rise up indeed. Your're a much easier target that way.

Tim*| 4.8.10 @ 9:12PM

You Threatenin' Me , Coward ?

Come And Get Me,Toughie Girl !

Kurt| 4.8.10 @ 9:20PM

Why Do You Capitalize Every Word? It Doesn't Make Any Sense.
Also, "Toughie Girl"?? That's A New One, Douchebag!

Tim*| 4.8.10 @ 9:32PM

Neither Do You,Cupcake !

And Don't Threaten Me To My Face Or I'll Give Ya An Attitude Adjustment ,Puss !

Capitalize That Puke !

Kurt is Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 2:04AM

I think Kurt is Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!

Annoyed Citizen| 4.8.10 @ 5:41PM

Come on, both parties have failed the majority in this country, and this tea party is infiltrated by extremist republicans who just want to twist it to their liking as their RINO's in office won't bow in honor to the extremist ideology.

People like me who are true moderates and see the world as shades of gray and not extreme white and black (not racially, but just the extremes of the issues that divied liberals and conservatives) are sick of you people who are the minority and the policies you embrace have failed.

We are sick of wars, of bailing out criminals, of instituting policies that just encourage bankruptcy at an earlier time, and in the end, I find the narcissism and entitlement of these alleged representatives to not be shocking, but just fully sickening.

We need a third party that is independent of either current party mentality. We can have people who accept abortion as a choice, and yet strive for financial accountability, we can accept people who have different sexual orientations, and still refuse to submit to terrorism and attempts to squash freedom. We can help other people with monies that are available, but still encourage people to help themselves at the same time.

It is humanity we strive for, with strong dashes of humility, humbleness, honesty, and honor. Do you think any of those terms can be applied to the majority of representatives in the House and Senate today? If you say yes, then what is the color of the sky in your world? Because you are not in mine!

Curtis Rasmussen| 4.8.10 @ 6:06PM

Watch out for the bait and switch troll.

Annoyed Citizen paraphrase: 'Vote for a nascent but weak third party so my sleazy power hungry DEM friends can win yet again.'

Annoyed Citizen| 4.8.10 @ 7:22PM

Gotta love projection as a defense. Accuse your opponent of what YOU do and ignorant readers just fall in line with your immaturity, eh, Mr Rasmussen? I love how you assume I am a democrat, another commenter calls me a republican shill.

Thank you, both of you, for illustrating my point. Republocrats live and breath at these sites, folks, and either they are subconsciously subversive and just hope you are equally down to the task, or, just spew out the insults and see what sticks.

I guess you know trolls well to label someone you never met as one. What looks back in the mirror at you in the morning?

Annoyed is Obama's Butt Boy 2!| 4.9.10 @ 2:06AM

Troll. We all know a third party will benefit democrats' chances. Nice try, moron.

Northern Rebel| 4.8.10 @ 5:50PM

Jon B:

I'll bet you had a blast today. I wonder if you even believe the things you said, or are you a very clever conservative, working up the folk.

Either way, the AmSpec readers chose to engage you, and admittedly, you have held your own, despite every typed word on your posts being wrong.

Which is why I'm suspicious.

Are you Glenn Beck, having fun at our expense?

CHEERS!

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 7:05PM

Thanks!
I only quoted the COnstitution and the US SC definition of equal protection. I wasn't aware that many believe the US SC was wrong in their 12-12 decision. Again, thanks for the Thumbs up. I appreciate it.

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 2:08AM

You tried to steal the 2000 election and GW outsmarted you--get over it, turd.

David| 4.8.10 @ 5:57PM

Hey Annoyed Citizen, I think as a repub, even if you call yourself a moderate, ought to get your facts straight.

Conservatives are not the minority in the country. Poll after poll for the past year have shown that 40% claim to be conservative, 20% liberal, and 40% moderate or independent.

Embracing conservatism is the way to win elections and the way to govern the country. It works. People like you are the problem with the repub party - not conservatives.

Annoyed Citizen| 4.8.10 @ 7:32PM

As I replied to an above commenter who attacked me as a democrat, now you doing so assuming I am a republican, so I guess us moderates must really make the feces strain against your anal sphincter as you are filled with fear, eh?

Man, I hope objective and unbiased readers are at least a bit amused by these party loyalists who make the three blind mice valid refs at a ball game! Blind loyalty to party interests. Pathetic, moronic, and the leading cause of demise to those who succumb to it!

Here's an idea that all you Republocrats need to try to grasp by November: moderates may be the minority, but, in sheer number, neither Democrats or Republicans are a majority either. So, you want your candidate to win, but in a two party election, you need 50.001% to achieve this and you only have, what, 30-40% tops as party loyalists? Who's putting you over the top. Us asshole independents?

Careful what you wish for, republocrats. We are gaining in numbers, and those of us who are wise and attentive will not be sucked into the void of no return called "status quo".

If there is a god come November, we'll find out who cares, and who is careless.

Again, thanks for the validation!!!

Annoyed is Obama's Butt Boy 2!| 4.9.10 @ 2:09AM

You're a troll, loser; it's easy to detect your stench.

Annoyed Citizen| 4.9.10 @ 9:01AM

And what are you, Butt Boy 2, a republican lackey? Again, who is really the troll here, someone who advocates for change, or, the status quo loser? Can't you even have an alias that is unique for you? Oh, I'm sorry, that calls for originality and independence. Traits not found in lackeys.

Good day.

Annoyed Citizen is A Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 2:26PM

Another Obama useless idiot. "Asshole independent" your words and they do fit, moron.

Annoyed Citizen| 4.9.10 @ 8:49PM

If this jerk can write this kind of insulting and derogatory comments, then I will just call it as it is and watch this site erode into the uselessness it reflects: you are fucking asshole, butt boy, and your ignorant and pathetic insults reflect what is the base of the Republican party, which is in my opinion even worse than the Democratic party, which is a piece of shit as well. So, butt boy, go find the broken broom stick to fill you with happiness and glee. You fucking jerk!

NO WHINY ANNOYED CITIZENS| 4.10.10 @ 3:34PM

"Asshole Independent" are YOUR words and they certainly fit you perfectly.

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 7:33PM

The latest and most complete National poll, the 2008 election, seems to suggest that people are turning away from true conservatives like McCain, and towards more liberal thinkers.

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 2:11AM

Stupid sh!t. What National poll is that?

It's just the opposite, idiot. LMAO!

Pingback| 4.8.10 @ 6:05PM

Southwest Georgia Patriots » Blog Archive » “The Color of Tea By Aaron Goldstein” Don links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

Southwest Georgia Patriots » Blog Archive » “The Color of Tea By Aaron Goldstein” Donna DriskellSouthwest Georgia Patriots About 2010 Campaigns Commentary Editorial General Legislation National Level Press Releases Commentary, General “The…

Tim*| 4.8.10 @ 7:36PM

McCain Is A Serial Traitor To True Conservatism : McCain-Feingold ,McCain-Kennedy ,McCain-Lieberman , Gang of 14 ,Opposition to Bush 2001 & 2003 Tax Cuts .

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 7:54PM

In reality, YOU'RE a serial traitor to conservatism. EVERY one knows that corporate contributions are the primary cause of the biggest welfare pay offs in America's history. The back door bank bailouts alone cost more than any other single program, and maybe more than all combined.

Conservative-to conserve, not to "self-serve" like you do.

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 2:12AM

Jon B Turd.

Jon B| 4.9.10 @ 9:46AM

You seem to have a few deep seated issues that will only exacerbate here on the net. I hope you get the help you need.
Your friend, Jon B

No Obama Butt Boys| 4.9.10 @ 2:28PM

Yes, issues like you being a tea-bagging Obama Butt Boy. Bend over, Jon B Obama's Butt Boy!

Tim*| 4.8.10 @ 7:59PM

Duh !
McCain Voted for Tarp !

I ,on the otherhand , voted for neither McCain ,nor Obama , Sport.

Watch Your Uninformed Mouth .

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Obamarama! The Obama Babble « Jim Blazsik links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…Is Paul Ryan the next John McCain? – Hot Air Pelosi on Demcare: Visualize a…refrigerator By Michelle Malkin ObamaCare: Non-Wealthy Actors Need to Vote Republican in 2010 by John Nolte The Color of Tea By Aaron Goldstein Possibly related posts: (automatically generated) Obama states that the Constitution was written 20 centuries ago: why politi… Teleprompter Gaffe: President Obama Thanks Himself — UPDATE:…

Jon B| 4.8.10 @ 8:23PM

McCain was conserving his campaign donations. :)
I didn't vote for either one, either. But in comparison to Today's conservatives, McCain is a conservative, however.

Jon B McCain's Butt Boy!| 4.9.10 @ 2:14AM

You would love McCain! Are you Jon B McCain's Butt Boy, too?

Kurt | 4.8.10 @ 8:44PM

Well, they are racists, so what? They are also stupid, uneducated, and hateful.

Tim*| 4.8.10 @ 9:05PM

Kurt ,in desperation Plays His Race Card

You can come to one of The Tea Party Tax Day Rallies and get all mouthy to our face , Silly Dweeb.

Kurt| 4.8.10 @ 9:15PM

I'd go, but I don't want to catch flees.

Kurt is Chicken Sh!t| 4.9.10 @ 2:15AM

Too late, trailer trash!

Tim*| 4.8.10 @ 9:18PM

Like Yo Mama ,Trash Talkin' Dog !

Cute| 4.8.10 @ 9:19PM

Stedes| 4.8.10 @ 10:10PM

I know many conservatives take offense and become enraged over leftists charges of racism, but there is a real perception in the left that conservatives are really racists. It may be unfair, but isn’t as much race baiting as it is perceived real. Liberals may over-play the race card, but they have a solid basis. I think conservatives need to take a step back and do some honest self-analysis as to why this perception exists.

In my view, the conservative movement today needs to come to grips with its racist past. Yes, you have a racist past and there is strong denial and ignorance by conservatives of their history that feeds the left’s over-charged racists accusations.

As I read history, contemporary conservative policies and ideas were crafted and used in the anti-civil rights movement in the 60’s and 70’s to resist forced integration. Basically in the 1950’s and 60’s the liberal leaning Warren court ruled that segregation of public places were unconstitutional. The courts forced de-segregation to the people of the south. The South was outraged that a liberal activist court would ignore the constitution and trample on their own individual rights and freedoms. The south in turn used conservative arguments (individual freedoms, small government, free-markets, anti-communism, constitution) and developed techniques to resist court forced integration.

Some examples are:

School vouchers were developed by segregationists in Atlanta as a way to send their children to private school to they would not have go to school with black children.
The concept of a liberal activist court not following the constitution comes from the Warren court finding segregation of public places unconstitutional. The John Birch Society tried to impeach Justice Warren for not following the constitution.
Civil Rights Activists were called communists and Socialists. Racial Equality = Communism
Ronald Reagan when he ran for governor of CA campaigned against the Fair Housing Act. He argued it is not constitutional because it is an infringement on private property rights for the government to tell people who they can rent their homes to.
Lester Maddox (Atlanta businessman) argued before the Supreme Court that segregation was his constitutional right based on “property rights”, “free-markets” and “freedom of association” to do business with whom he chose.
Conservatives were against government involvement to force an end to segregation. William Buckley argued; “It is not a question of whether white children and Negro children should study geography side by side, but whether a central authority should enforce it”
Senator Goldwater argued – “There is no Constitutional authority to regulate a person’s behavior or tell the South how to conduct its business”. He used this argument to vote against the 1964 civil rights bill.
The Campaigns of Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and Bush Sr. used race baiting and white fears (Welfare Queens, Willie Horton) to get white votes.
The South today with its dominate conservative values still hold on to the idea of Confederacy where one can still see the stars and bars.

Conservative philosophy of individual rights, small government and free-markets were used to resist forced segregation by the courts and later congress. The Republican party in the 1970’s decided to adapt a right-wing conservative platform and appeal to white fears and segregationists for political advantage. It worked ushering in the end of the “New Deal” era. The Republican party moved from a minority party to a major political party that has transformed the South from a Democrat majority to a Republican majority.

Today we see the Conservative movement as mostly white, has only had 3 black legislators in Congress or the Senate since 1935 and still using the same old arguments (Individual freedom, constitution, free-markets, anti-socialism, small government) and policies that were originally designed to hold back blacks. Today most Conservatives are not racists, but unknowingly embrace policies rooted in racism and therefore their policies perpetuate social and economic inequality as well as attract racists. Conservatives are in denial, use revisionist history or just ignorant about their racist past. Until you come to grips with this, you will remain a racist movement in the eyes of the left, will not attract many African Americans and will remain defensive about charges of racism.

To be clear, I do not mean to imply that Libertarianism is inherently racist. Individual freedom, free-markets, low taxes, small government were the hallmark of Libertarianism before the civil rights era and originally had no racial intent. But that these concepts were adapted and redefined by anti-new deal folks and segregationists in a way to protect white supremacy both economically and socially. This version has been adapted by the Republican party and now defines current conservative policies.

LIBERALS SUCK!!| 4.9.10 @ 2:29AM

Another hopeless liberal idiot: Unfortunately for us your numbers are legion.

Abe Lincoln, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT, fought DEMOCRATS in the Civil War to end slavery-DEMOCRAT SLAVERY!

Democrats created Jim Crow laws, segregation and were also responsible for many lynchings of innocent black men. Republicans banded together to stop democrat senator Byrd's filibuster which ensured the passage of Civil Rights legislation for African Americans.

Senator Robert Byrd, a DEMOCRAT, was a Grand Kleagle in the KKK!! You democrats are the party of the KKK and you are still the ugliest racists on earth. No wonder you have so much self-hatred--you deserve it.

You filthy liberal racists practice Plantation Politics today which keep many poor black people trapped on your filthy, dying, liberal run inner city plantations.

Useless idiots--everything you leftists touch you destroy. You are worthless.

LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL ILLNESS--as proven by the posts of crazy liberals on this thread.

evergreen78| 4.8.10 @ 10:27PM

But the rest of Ms. Garofolo's statement was that any woman or person of color who supports Republicans (or Conservatives or the Tea Parties) is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. The Left is going to play the "bigot" card no matter what we do, or what color/gender/sexual orientation we are, no matter how sincere, no matter how much visible, tangible evidence to the contrary, no matter what. It's like talking to a bowling ball.

Emery | 4.8.10 @ 11:59PM

Having been a speaker at an Indiana rally with C.L. Bryant, and also having spoke at numerous other rallies around Indiana I must also say that racism is a bogus charge. I have organized the Tax Day Tea Party in the second largest city in Indiana. The turn out was great and people did not care that the person that organized it was Black, and that the keynote speaker, Alan Keyes was Black.
Not only have I attended, and spoke at Tea Party rallies in Indiana, I have also been asked to moderate a candidate forum, sit on panels, introduce candidates at other events, and have attended events in Washington D.C, and in other states. None of these events were hostile or racist. I have met some of the nicest people in my life at these events. The thing that we all have in common is patriotism.

I have blogged, written articles, and have been interviewed by the media about the Tea Party movement. I am proud to be a part of this movement that has formed to save our Republic.

The Tea Party movement is a great addition to the American scene. All are invited to take a part.

arlo price| 4.9.10 @ 1:43AM

Taxed Enough Already

Talk about racism, an "indoor tanning tax"??? Now who would that be taxing????

How about a sarong tax or a burka tax. An afro-sheen tax??? Polish sausage tax???

Look at your phone bill, 35-60% taxes.....every month.

Fuel taxes 35-65 cents every gallon
personal property tax,
state sales tax,
county sales tax
city sales tax..................

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts
Anyway!

Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore..
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
Taxes drove me
to my doom...'

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge T ax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Ser vice FeeTax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge=2 0Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

Yosemeti Sam| 4.9.10 @ 2:50AM

Is the Ruffington Post too crowded for posts?

An overflow of Leftoids thus seem to permeate AS - if not in numbers then in a persistent propaganda of diarrhea of illogical posts.

And with such - enunciated profundity of revisionist history, yet, on which to hang their Leftoid hats!

It's raining political conservatism - Leftoids. And you're without umbrellas!

wodiej| 4.9.10 @ 6:33AM

You all let the Alinsky troll hijack this thread.

No Butt Boys| 4.9.10 @ 2:31PM

Nah, Butt Boys like Jon B Obama's Butt Boy doesn't have the skills--all his posts are proven lies. The troll's just another leftist useless idiot.

Jon B| 4.9.10 @ 9:15AM

How do you hijack hijacked minds?
You're already brainwashed.

ZerObama| 4.9.10 @ 2:32PM

How would you know from your Obama fellating position?

David| 4.9.10 @ 11:40AM

Stedes, that was quite an erroneous interpretation of history.

On its face, anyone who favors preferential treatment for minorities is the racist because you don't believe they can compete with whitey on an equal footing.

I love the quote from Condi Rice at the Republican Convention. She said: "In 1950's Alabama, my father went to the democrats to register to vote, and they turned him away. He went to the Republicans and they registered him; any my family has been Republican and college educated ever since."

Kinda brings a tear to one's eye - doesn't it?

SPADE LIES!| 4.9.10 @ 6:03PM

Spade, so convenient that you cite some bogus, outlier poll no one's ever heard of. I don't know who that clown is, but I can bet you dollars to donuts, he's a racist tool with an agenda to smear the Tea Partiers. For all I know, YOU wrote it up. Shame on you.

Come back with a LEGITIMATE polling organization without an ax to grind and we'll talk. Until then, try to tell the truth, even though it's impossible for liberals to do so.

Call a Spade a Spade| 4.9.10 @ 12:58PM

The movement is riddled with racism. Tea Party, the incipient movement that claims to be committed to reigning in what they perceive as big government, appears to be motivated by more than partisanship and ideology. Approximately 45 % whites either strongly or somewhat approve of the movement. Of those, only 35% believe blacks to be hardworking, only 45 % believe blacks are intelligent, and only 41% think that blacks are trustworthy. Perceptions of Latinos aren’t much different. While 50% of white tea party supporters believe Latinos to be hardworking, only 39% think them intelligent, and at 37%, fewer tea party supporters believe Latinos to be trustworthy.

LIBS R RACISTS| 4.9.10 @ 2:35PM

Is that your personal poll, Spade? Did you make it up while you were strung out on crack?
Liar. Racist fool.

Projection is a pillar of Leftist thought.
Liberalism is a mental illness.

In Spades| 4.9.10 @ 3:30PM

http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/mssrp_table.pdf

Spade Again| 4.9.10 @ 3:40PM

Some how I missed the strung out on crack remark. Really hateful. Childish. Did you learn that one on the playground?

David| 4.9.10 @ 1:48PM

Hey Spade Boy, I guess you did your own polling because you sure didn't cite any sources. Where did you get the info - from someone's opinion on Huffington or DailyKos? You just made up a big bunch of sh_t and expect us to eat it, but the posters on this site aren't as gullible as the folks on the leftist/Marxist sites.

Did you bother to read the posts by several black tea party members over the past few days? Read Emery's comments in this thread. I suspect that he knows racism or bigotry when he sees it, and according to him, he ain't seen any of it.

Spade Spite| 4.9.10 @ 3:34PM

Wowsers I added the poll. http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/mssrp_table.pdf

Just one question: Why is it you people cannot have a civil debate? Why are you so angry and hateful? I don't get all the name calling. Is this how you teach your children to behave when confronted with people they don't agree with?

WHINY LIBS NO MORE!| 4.9.10 @ 5:54PM

Stop whining, lib boy; it's not hate it's ridicule. Do you libs teach your children to lie? It's the only way you know how to interact.

What would you hateful Marxists know about civil discourse? Absolutely nothing. We're sick and tired of your lies; crawl back under the slimy HuffPo rock you call home.

Jon B| 4.9.10 @ 2:09PM

As long as you use cliches like "Marxism," of which you have no clue of even what it is or what it means beyond what your were told to think, as long as you keep using these phrases devoid of any tangible meaning, you will have reduced yourselves to swimming around under water never seeing the sun. It keeps you locked and hidden away from reality. Anyone can see through it immediately. Best wishes.

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy FOREVER| 4.9.10 @ 2:37PM

Did you come up for air from your Obama fellating responsibilities, Jon B Obama's Butt Boy?

Indy Voter| 4.9.10 @ 3:21PM

A couple of links that might be of interest, the first is Rev. Perryman who has some interesting comments, I plan on buying his books to learn more http://www.floppingaces.net/20.....race-card/

The second link is OT for this article but since I've seen comments posted about debt on several stories, these graphs are interesting http://hillbuzz.org/2010/02/16/debt-and-deficit/

Doorgunner, thank you for your service, be safe, my prayers are with you.

Annoyed Citizen| 4.9.10 @ 8:54PM

The blog author should be embarassed and ban these idiots who only validate the attitudes of those who bash the tea party movement. You are guilty by association, and letting ignorant and foul mouthed morons to just insult and demean people supports the cause this author is allegedly trying to defeat.

Thanks for the validation of racism, extremism, and just plain hate. This party is doomed, and people like me who have no affiliation to either majority party in power now will not flock to this crap. Don't swim, just sink, and stick to the bottom. That is what feces does!!!

NO TROLLS!| 4.9.10 @ 11:48PM

Time to clean your spittle soaked computer screen, Annoyed. Crawl back under the slimy HuffPo rock you call home.

Annoyed Citizen| 4.10.10 @ 1:33PM

The pervasive ignorance, and lack of intellectual function spewed here by the real trolls, and look up the definition of a troll 'cause it applies to you morons, does so well to serve the argument that there is a sizeable faction of just dumb ass mob mentality behind the tea party movement.

I would offer the following as a gentleman's bet, but who am I kidding, to call any of you dissenters gentleman insults the term, so I'll just put it out here for prosperity if people come back to the site in November:
the Tea Party will be mostly irrelevant if the current dialogue that pervades just continues. The party will not be seen as viable and realistic to responsible voters. You will just be supported by your choir. Which probably a sizeable percentage will be in jail, dead, or ostracized completely out of the comunity you all slithered out from!

Enjoy the next couple of months, let's just hope your fading influence energizes real people of interest for healthy and responsible change to find a better solution.

God, this thread truly rationalizes the disgusting rhetoric of the liberal media to call you "teabaggers". That is sad but unfortunately true to have to print!

NO WHINY WEENIES| 4.10.10 @ 3:38PM

Whiny weenies like you must know a lot about teabagging, Annoyed. Haha

Now go crawl back under the slimy rock you call home, dumbtard.

Jon B| 4.11.10 @ 10:50PM

Interestingly enough, the Tea Baggers called themselves Tea Baggers for quite awhile at first until they realized the sexual connotation. So the corporate media, (What liberal media) only called them what they called themselves. It is humorous, because it also signifies their ignorance...

Nick| 4.11.10 @ 11:50PM

More lies.
From an ignorant fool.

Jon B| 4.12.10 @ 12:15PM

You didn't know that? Seriously? LOL. That's a sign that maybe you should seek out honest news sources.

Nick| 4.12.10 @ 12:35PM

Where's that source, Jon Boy?

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy| 4.12.10 @ 5:47AM

Any proof with your whine, perverted Butt Boy?

arlo price| 4.10.10 @ 12:02AM

Ahhhhh yes...............the KC Shuffle.

Bernie Madoff would be proud of the three of you!!!

Nick| 4.11.10 @ 3:12PM

Pay no attention to Jon B, folks.

He peddles lies and marxist propaganda. Oops! Redundant.

Like the lie that President Reagan gave the Soviets $425 billion.

After 3 days of trying to belittle those of us who called him out on his lie, he finally admitted his fabrication.

Although, he then claimed it was a mistake That it was actually $425 million, but he offered no source. Just his deeply flawed memories.

He also doesn't know that, in America, we refer to it as the Supreme Court Of The United States (SCOTUS), not US SC, or United States' Supreme Court.

What a moron.

Jon B| 4.11.10 @ 10:48PM

Reagan did indeed give Russia $425 million. But that's not even remotely the worst thing he or his administration did. I wonder why Nick is trolling for trouble?

Nick| 4.11.10 @ 11:41PM

It must hurt deeply to be humiliated on a public forum, such as this, huh?

I wouldn't know myself.

Where's that source, Jon Boy?
I've been waiting a month.
No source? Then it didn't happen, and you're a liar.

Jon B Obama's Butt Boy| 4.12.10 @ 5:51AM

Jon B a dumbass and he got his dumbass beat pretty darn good.

Jon B go service Purple Balls Guy and turn him pink!

Jon B| 4.12.10 @ 12:16PM

^^^Tea Baggers we can all be proud of!!!

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