This spring marks some sordid anniversaries: 65 years since the
discovery of the Nazi concentration camps that facilitated the
slaughter of six million Jews and four million various others
deemed “misfits” and “undesirables” by Hitler and his henchmen.
It is a most bittersweet remembrance: jubilation over the
liberation of the camps and for those who somehow physically
survived; but also, naturally, deep sorrow for the victims and,
most sobering, for the wider display of unspeakable cruelty to
which man can descend
The ugly footage of corpses left behind is a visual
reminder of the in-your-face insanity and inhumanity of Nazi
fascism. Yet, less obvious — and likewise in dire need of
remembrance — is how seamlessly that form of totalitarianism was
supplanted by another, one that haunted the scene even longer.
For much of Europe in the spring of 1945, from Stettin in the
Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, as Winston Churchill would put
it, an Iron Curtain quickly descended across the continent, as
Central and Eastern Europe was again gobbled up, this time by
vicious Soviets who replaced vicious Nazis.
That changing of the guard has been acknowledged. Less
known, however, is the transfer that took place at the level of
the soldiers, the secret police, the local officials, and, yes,
even the concentration camps themselves. There, too, callous
Soviets replaced callous Nazis.
Consider: When Hitler’s goons fled the concentration camps
at the site of Allied guns in the spring of 1945, it was left to
the Allies — the United States, the United Kingdom, and the USSR
— to grapple with what they suddenly confronted. Once the
survivors were freed and carefully transported, what would the
Allies do with the camps?
For nations like America and Britain, steeped in
Judeo-Christian notions of fairness and justice, the options for
the camps ranged from the legal, meaning document them as
evidence of Nazi war crimes for the Nuremberg trials; to the
practical, as in burn them to the ground; to the historical,
preserve them as a tragic reminder; to the theological: exorcise
them.
For the USSR, however, the next-step was a no-brainer:
use the camps. Indeed, fling the doors open and get ‘em
back in business.
In truth, that unique Soviet solution ought not to be a
surprise, as totalitarians like Vladimir Lenin — founder of the
Soviet state — had not only constructed similar facilities but
had used the phrase “concentration camp” two decades before
Hitler appropriated the term. Lenin’s replacement, Joe Stalin,
had annihilated tens of millions in such camps in Siberia well
before Hitler ramped up.
Thus, in the spring of 1945, the Russians saw an opening.
To Bolshevism, the Nazi camps were an opportunity, tailor-fit to
communist ideology. They embodied brute Bolshevik
collectivism.
A crass case in point was Buchenwald, one of the more
infamous Nazi camps, where hundreds of thousands were
incarcerated and upwards of 50,000 perished, some in the most
sadistic fashion, from Jews who were gassed to Catholic priests
who were crucified upside down. Americans liberated Buchenwald on
April 11, 1945.
Not long thereafter, thanks to the tragic post-war division
of Europe agreed to by FDR and Churchill at Yalta, Buchenwald
(located near Weimar, Germany) ended up in the Soviet zone of
occupation. Knowing how to run a concentration camp, the Russians
were eager to crank the wheels — especially on Germans now at
their feet rather than at their throat. For Stalin, Beria,
Molotov, and a disturbingly high number of malicious colonels and
lieutenants and common soldiers, it was payback time. Payback
would be done according to Lenin’s definition of morality:
there is no morality, except that which furthers Soviet
interests.
A witness to this poisonous worldview was a 22-year-old
American citizen named John Noble, who lived in the Weimar area
and got caught in the crossfire. He observed Red Army soldiers
ransacking his neighborhood, rounding up its innocents, and
imbibing in special displays of depravity toward its women: “In
the house next to ours,” Noble told author Laurence Rees in Rees’
outstanding book, World War II Behind Closed Doors,
“Soviet troops went in and pulled the women out on the street,
had mattresses that they pulled out, and raped the women. The men
had to watch, and then they were shot. Right at the end of our
street a woman was tied to a wagon wheel and was terribly
misused…. [T]here was no possibility to [stop it].”
The poor souls who survived this torment were shipped to
various German-turned-Soviet hellholes for long-term
incarceration. Noble was tossed into Buchenwald, which was
conveniently renamed Soviet Special Camp No. 2. He would spend
several years there, and nine years in Soviet prisons in total.
It seems miraculous that he didn’t starve to death.
“[A]s I lay down on my bunk,” Noble remembered one pivotal
night, “I prayed and said: ‘Lord, close my eyes and keep them
closed. I can’t stand it anymore, but if there is a life for me,
it’s not mine — mine’s over with. If there’s a life, it’s all
yours.’ And that’s when everything changed.”
Noble’s lot changed, but not the camps themselves. They had
merely changed ownership. The communists were not about to waste
a perfectly functional, German-built concentration camp. If the
Soviet system knew how to do one thing, it was to collectivize
and redistribute squalor, suffering, and death.
The story of Buchenwald under Nazi management is bad
enough; it was reproduced from Auschwitz to Dachau, and is
captured today at places like the Holocaust Museum. But the 20th
century is rich in unforgettable, unforgivable lessons. Among
them, the world would do well to remember that Buchenwald was
liberated only temporarily in 1945. Its demons did not rest,
ready to leap into a new set of vessels. Stalinism provided them
by the tank-load. This time, liberation for Eastern Europeans
wouldn’t take four or five years, as it had once Hitler was
vanquished, but four or five decades.
Buchenwald and its ilk is a cold, gray marker of the menace
of totalitarianism. It is a headstone that stands astride the
20th century like a giant grim reaper, robbing the world of 50
million lives in World War II and 100 million more under
communist regimes — unprecedented levels of carnage. It’s an old
story, a familiar evil, one born of an ancient source that every
generation must be prepared to meet and defeat.
coal carrier| 4.2.10 @ 7:08AM
Just remember, that the American left had a fit when Ronald Reagan called them “The Evil Empire”.
Alan Brooks| 4.2.10 @ 9:25PM
The left was gullible, for by the time the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, everyone else could see that the Soviets maintained no pretense of being anti-imperialist anymore. Mostly, they just wanted to kill, rape, and torture.
The extreme Right is correct about Stalin, he was far worse as a person than Hitler; but the Third Reich did not liberate the captive Sovietized nations, and the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union
was an opportunity for the Red Army to get all the way to the Elbe.
So after the Ribbentrop-Molotov nonaggression pact of '39 was terminated, Stalin had one other big ally-- besides Churchill and Roosevelt-- to help him win the war:
Hitler's Bungling.
Alan Brooks| 4.4.10 @ 12:12AM
“The Evil Empire”.
America is evil, as well; but less evil than other nations. I'm interested in Churchillian conservatism-- not Pat Buchanan "conservatism" (right-wing propaganda).
Alan Brooks| 4.4.10 @ 12:31AM
PS,
Don't forget that Churchill wanted to trade Eastern Europe to the Soviets in exchange for all of Europe, which would have been what the Third Reich would have taken. Kengor's piece is the rote history you can find anywhere.
Jan| 4.2.10 @ 7:24AM
Terrible topic but beautifully written. The 21st century might be even worse. I'm thinking of Iran, Nork and others and we have no great leaders to stand up to it.
Alan Brooks| 4.4.10 @ 12:39AM
Soviet troops went in and pulled the women out on the street, had mattresses that they pulled out, and raped the women. The men had to watch, and then they were shot. Right at the end of our street a woman was tied to a wagon wheel and was terribly misused…. [T]here was no possibility to [stop it]."
The Germans did the same to the Russians. Kengor, your rather one-dimensional history is for the naive.
Reinhard| 4.5.10 @ 12:50PM
It is you, Mr. Brooks that is naive. There is no doubt that German soldiers (Wehrmacht and Waffen SS) commited rape, but if discovered, were punished. The German military felt this crime was bad for discipline and morale. It was the Soviets who were systematic in promoting the crime. I suggest you read Antony Beevor's book on the fall of Berlin and educate yourself on this subject.
Sam| 4.4.10 @ 5:17PM
Yes it's well written, but what's the point of the article? To say how bad communism is? A better way to do that would be to look at the practical effects of collectivization, which aren't good. Stalin's totalitarian repression isn't really what communism is all about, but that's what we've come to believe.
Or perhaps the article is supposed to paint Russians as worse than us? The Russians have an ugly history under Stalin, but the United States has some blemishes of its own.
We terrorized the local Phillipine population in a war with Spain during the early 1900s. In order to create our country, we forced hundreds of thousands of natives off their land to make room for our own settlements, regularly brutalizing the Native Americans and violating the treaties we signed.
I could name others, but the point is that any powerful nation has ugly tales in its past. Keep this in mind before you demonize the past practices of other countries.
Jim O'Brien| 4.2.10 @ 8:03AM
And now Obama wants Israel to make concessions to Palestinians and terrorists, whose common goal, along with Iran, Syria, etc., is eradication of Israel and extermination of all Jews. Israel faces vicious killers, neo-Nazis, and the fool Obama thinks Netanyahu & Company should commit national suicide.
Jews have contributed more to human progress than any other ethnic or religious group -- BY FAR --- Yet anti-semitism is alive and well, even after a couple of thousand years. I guess people resent brains and achievement, particularly those who wallow in social, moral, cultural, and economic mediocrity.
Mike| 4.2.10 @ 11:33AM
Once again, some deep thinker equates any criticism of Israel as anti-semitism. Thus the Israel critic has to be a Nazi who advocates concentration camps for Jews.
Israel and US interests often diverge. About the only good thing Obama has done has been trying to reign in our "ally" to whom we provide billions of dollars in aid.
I guess this makes me a person who wallows in social, moral, curtural and economic mediocrity.
Pathetic.
I would expect illogical arguments on the left but not from the conservative side.
Howard| 4.2.10 @ 12:03PM
Some reasonable points; though I do not agree. I will ask you if Anti Vatican sentiment is Anti Vatican only, or is it Anti-Catholic? Because Israel while not residing all Jews, holds special meaning to Jews. So, I agree, politics is politics. But the relationship between Israel and Jews is stronger than say, Norway and Lutherans.
Ken (Old Texican)| 4.2.10 @ 4:47PM
Mike,
If I had not already known you were a squirrel, you tipped your hand by putting quote marks around our ally, Israel.
I know for a fact that the Israeli intelligence service has helped us, a lot, since 1973 at least, when I began doing projects all over the middle east.
I just opine that you are ignorant of the reality, and seem to want to be.
victor| 4.2.10 @ 8:06PM
On today's episode of "As the Paleo's try to Con us"
Mike will be taking over the role of S.L Toddard.
Mike: "Once again, some deep thinker equates any criticism of Israel as anti-semitism."
Jim O'Brien| 4.2.10 @ 1:15PM
A sampling of Palestinian connections: 1) Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade; 2) Asbat al-Ansar; 3) Hamas; 4) Hezbollah; 5) Kahane Chai (Kach); 6) Palestine Liberation Front; 7) Palestine Islamic Jihad; 8) Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine; and 9) Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command. In 2006 Hamas won Palestinian Legislative Council elections and took control of significant Palestinian Authority functions, including the Ministry of the Interior. The interests of the Palestinians and the terrorists are identical.
Obama and his people continue to blame Israel for obstructing the bogus "peace process", when in fact the Palestinians are aligned with the terrorists to destroy Israel. Israel should not appease the terrorists, or their helpers in the Obama administration.
Margie| 4.2.10 @ 7:11PM
Thank God for Bibi Netanyahu, and may God protect and keep Israel.
Margie| 4.2.10 @ 7:27PM
"Behold, He that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep." Ps. 121:4.
Tim| 4.2.10 @ 8:14AM
Read : The Black Book Of Communism.
Jeff Lee| 4.4.10 @ 5:55PM
So is Obama an undesirable or is he a Nazi?
Melvin| 4.2.10 @ 8:34AM
I suspect that man isn't happy unless he is miserable.
Because only a miserable man would enjoy brutally torturing his fellow human beings.
A number of years ago, a reporter had interviewed a serial murderer, I have forgotten who, and asked him, "Why was it so easy for you to murder all those people?" The murderer replied, "After the first one it became easier and I didn't feel bad about doing it anymore."
Murdering or torturing one or 10 million, it is all about the power. This may sound contemptible to many but Adolph Hitler's started off with good intentions, as did Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and those in future who are not yet born.
Each of these men wanted to fundamentally change their societies, and they were given the consent to do so by they're politically elite.
They became impatient that the current system of governance at they're particular point in history and they resorted to to measures that would speed up the this fundamental change.
And if this impatience resulted in concentration camps, torture, and murder, then it just didn't matter after that, because one to 10 million the numbers became a mute point, because the end justifies the means, to create a more malleable society to conform to the ideology of the day.
I warn you my fellow Americans don't ever..., ever... think that it cannot happen here. Because totalitarianism always becomes easier after the first...?
chuck| 4.2.10 @ 10:05PM
I've written this before, but I think it bears repeating.
All the great mass murderers in the previous century, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, et al., had one thing in common: the wish to remake society in their own image. When you hear a politician talk about "fundamental change", BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID!
Ken (Old Texican)| 4.2.10 @ 9:41AM
Mr. Kengor,
Thank you for the harsh reminder.
Melvin,
Thank you.
Now I guess you can wince again when I always utilize the harsh term, communists, and then always add the parenthetical, (pardon the shorthand).
They are merely the same would-be murderers with different talking points.
I would like to ummmmm sorta' torture a thought from you. I am not sure ANY of those leaders started out with "good intentions". Perhaps some of their "useful idiots" did.
Thoughts?
Melvin| 4.2.10 @ 10:57AM
Believe it or not Ken, that was Adolph Hitler's mindset in the very beginning. This mindset was tied to re-developing Germany's economy complete separate from the Wiemar Republic pretty much regulated itself into obscurity from an economic point of view.
The Wiemar Republic had developed so much short term debt from the Twenties that they had nowhere to turn but to Hitler.
What got in the way with Hitler was his intense hatred of the Jew and even worse hatred of the Communists.
The financiers that financed Hitler, realized that the only way then to get out of the financial hell that Germany was in was to start a war and they would recoup and then some, of their losses from Germany's Depression in relatively quick order.
There are similarities to what had taken place within the Wiemar Republic to the situation that we are in now in this Country.
Figuratively speaking, The Conservatives could be Obama's Jews. Because the hatred directed by the Liberal Left to the Conservatives is no less intense than it was in the 1930s.
German Jews used to call Hitler, "That Crazy Little Austrian" as they drank their morning coffee in the late 30s.
Tim| 4.2.10 @ 12:21PM
"What got in the way with Hitler was his intense hatred of the Jew and even worse hatred of the Communists."
Those weren't tragic flaws ala Shakepeare, they were the rotten evil at the core of his soul.
Ned| 4.3.10 @ 11:16AM
Ken (Old Texican), I think a lot of the problems start when some of these yahoos who gain complete control of a country lack faith in a higher authority. They consider themselves the top of ladder and need not answer to anyone or anything.
I might add that their initial good intentions, even though they are benefit to others, are simply stepping stones for the ultimate goal of being the head honcho.
Liberal Reader| 4.2.10 @ 9:48AM
Yes ... From the Nazis, to the Soviets, to Obama: the terrible history of totalitarianism!
Tim| 4.2.10 @ 10:01AM
YOU are bringing up Obama.
Ken (Old Texican)| 4.2.10 @ 10:32AM
Lib Reader,
I actually oscillate from day to day. Some days I think Mr. Obama is simply another "useful idiot", ......an angry useful idiot and a tool for others.
victor| 4.2.10 @ 6:55PM
Libeler Reader:
"the terrible history of totalitarianism!"
Ah yes, the great World Series of 1939 was interrupted by The Invasion of Poland, but completed in November of 2008 with the election of the Great First Baseman Barack.
Now the legendary Double Play would be completed across the years:
from Hitler to Stalin to Obama.
They are now safely ensconced in the Totalitarian
Hall of Fame located in the heart of Chicago on
121 North La Salle Street.
JmsA| 4.3.10 @ 12:02PM
Once again in your all ignorant splendor you demonstrate you're way over your head.
Jeff Lee| 4.4.10 @ 5:57PM
Obama is a puppet of the bankers who run the US.
Tim| 4.2.10 @ 10:01AM
"No one in the world can change Truth. What we can do and and should do is to seek truth and to serve it when we have found it. The real conflict is the inner conflict. Beyond armies of occupation and the hetacombs of extermination camps, there are two irreconcilable enemies in the depth of every soul: good and evil, sin and love. And what use are the victories on the battlefield if we are ourselves are defeated in our innermost personal selves?"
~ St. Maximilian Kolbe
Michele San Pietro| 4.2.10 @ 11:12AM
The Nazi genocide of the Jews was uniquely malignant. I think those who negate it should walk the streets only at night in shame.
Tim*| 4.2.10 @ 11:34AM
Read: 51 Documents:Zionist Collaboration With The Nazi's by Lenni Brenner.
Ken (Old Texican)| 4.2.10 @ 4:51PM
Tim*,
Wow, such highbrow books must keep you happy at night.
Heh, you want me to read a whole book by a bomb throwing Trotskyite?
Get real.
victor| 4.2.10 @ 5:38PM
Tim*:
"Lenni Brenner"
.. is an American Marxist Trotskyist writer.
All you need to know about Tim and why he would endorse and embrace such dregs of society.
Petronius| 4.2.10 @ 11:49AM
Right now the closest thing to concentration camps in our time is our schools. Woe to the student who refuses to be extruded through the collectivist mold.
The anthill rises before us.
Marc Jeric| 4.2.10 @ 12:25PM
Our situation now is similar to that of Germany before Hitler. Abu Hussein from Kenya is only doing what he promised - destruction of America and imposition of permanent communist government. We had 40% of population on welfare; with this health care reform we will reach 50%; with the amnesty of 20 million illegal aliens wi will get to 50% - and that spells permanent communist power. Nationalization is proceeding on pace: banks, insurance companies, mortgage companies, car manufacturers; and with the cap & trade oil & gas companies, coal mines, electricity companies. ACORN brownshirts and SEIU and teacher union thugs will make sure the voting is controlled.
baggish@sbcglobal.net| 4.2.10 @ 12:52PM
This is a link to a good video documentary entitled "The Soviet Story" about this very subject. The Soviet Union's lesser known brutality and collaboration with the Nazis from 1938 through June 1941 is also included. It is replete with never before documented, original source material about Soviet horrors. It's 85 minutes long and well worth watching in its entirety. The only nagging thing about is a lack of translation for certain interviews with Russian witnesses and perpetrators. Nevertheless, I recommend it highly.
http://www.novamov.com/video/gzpvi86ym82iv
Stuart| 4.2.10 @ 12:55PM
Here it is, too, with subtitles.
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/28771192
Carol| 4.2.10 @ 1:29PM
I never knew the Soviets "reused" the camps.
Goes to show that evil is always lurking behind the corner and that people should always be on the lookout.
Here I go hurling that "hateful" rhetoric the left tries to pin on NORMAL Americans but if more Americans don't wake up, something similar could happen here with Obama becoming known as the "The Great Divider."
Liberal Reader| 4.2.10 @ 2:39PM
That's right, Carol.
It's only the vigilance of "real Americans" like yourself that keep Obama from setting up concentration camps throughout the country.
Thank God for you, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and Michelle Bachman, defenders of our liberty! And Jesus, too, who is obviously preserving us from the anti-Christ.
Those evil Nazi Democrats would have had us all gassed if it had not been for your courage!
Ken (Old Texican)| 4.2.10 @ 4:55PM
LR,
They can try to gas us. heh heh.
Thank you for acknowledging Carols vigilance though.
Sam| 4.4.10 @ 5:24PM
It's called sarcasm, Ken. The way the left reacts about little issues is what people on the right hate most. It is a legitimate gripe.
But what liberal reader is saying is also true: the problem of the right is that they have irrational fears about what Obama or the Democrats will do. Anyone who fears that Obama may start acting like Hitler is a fool and a typical sheep. But then again, many Americans are sheep who follow the rhetoric of our leaders and make decisions that are emotionally-based.
Jeff Lee| 4.4.10 @ 6:00PM
Since the military hates Obama he'll need to set up his own personal militia if he wants to stay in office.
victor| 4.4.10 @ 10:47PM
Sam:
"many Americans are sheep who follow the rhetoric of our leaders and make decisions that are emotionally-based."
Hey Sam,
Hitler didn't start out as a mass murderer, he worked his way up from a street thug to a community organizer to local politician to a post that he was given.
In between he perfected his oratorical skills by promising the people whatever they wanted, appealing to their emotions and by demonizing certain sectors of the economy and certain sectors of the population. He used the bully pulpit of his office to promote his vision of a utopian new world order everyone who followed him would get what they deserved. He put on elaborate town hall assemblies where he would exhilarate the populace while scapegoating those who opposed him.
Sound familiar?
It should, it's been done before and will continue to be done into the future by other such gifted speakers with a vision.
victor| 4.2.10 @ 5:41PM
Libeler Reader:
"evil Nazi Democrats"
Yes, from the party that gave us Slavery, Jim Crow Laws, the KKK, the Tillman Act, Abortion, Segregation and Welfare.
victor| 4.4.10 @ 10:49PM
I see that Libeler Reader has faded into the sunset, retreated into the shadows and crawled back under his rock.
B ydand76| 4.3.10 @ 4:01PM
It's easy to take liberty for granted when you have never had it taken away from you.
Lib Read you are a specious cad!
Know what you are talking about before you open your mouth and remove all doubt that you are an insufferable boor.
Go play with your lego's somewhere else please!
(Ken (Old Texican) I am enroute to San Antonio to begin my new adventure! I await a face to face with a single malt and a fine discussion about which caliber is the best to engage targets with!)
Pro Libertate! Bydand!
If anyone can tell me the Scottish reference?
Tim*| 4.2.10 @ 2:47PM
I Agree With Liberal Reader Dude Here, Obama Is Certainly An Authoritarian Gasbag !
RWinks| 4.2.10 @ 3:00PM
There you go again, Liberal Reader. If you are a "Progressive", you're promoting the same ideology that caused the murder of more than 100,000,000 people over the last century. Whether you call yourself a Liberal or a progressive know that the collectivism you promote stands upon a mountain of skulls in an ocean of blood. You have NO moral authority any more than any NAZI apologist. Take your hate filled drivel someplace else.
Liberal Reader| 4.2.10 @ 3:55PM
One hundred million? RWinks, you're painting far to rosy a picture of "progressivism."
The first "progressive," T. Roosevelt, a Republic, executed with his own bare hands hundreds of thousands of children. He and his family roasted them in weekly satanic rituals and ate them.
Ever since, Democrats and many Republicans have perpetuated mass exterminations of Americans. Camps throughout the south and midwestern regions of the country arose to put to death anyone who questioned the values of liberalism -- values like child labor laws, the forty hour work week, the inherent good of clean drinking water, the provision of basic economic stability to the elderly, and on and on. (The list of horrors and crimes against humanity staggers the imagination.)
Jimmy Carter used to like to watch women and children raped before they were put to death. The ovens were full during the presidencies of Kennedy and Clinton. Obama is just the latest of tyrannical homicidal dictators to persecute the "real Americans" who have up until now been so patient ....
Bydand76| 4.3.10 @ 4:03PM
*****YAWN*******
Lib Read= _________Donkey Farts
Shamus| 4.4.10 @ 6:02PM
At last someone dares to reveal the truth!
DatsunMark| 4.2.10 @ 3:41PM
The world is a dark place. Only in the last 50 years with the emergence of an America willing to commit to freedom and freedom of other nations being our security we have had relative peace. But just as the US focused it's energy internally during the Great Depression our military dwindled. Now we get to re-live this experience all over again. Many nations should wonder if the Obamacare and all it's costs will somehow effect whether they will live free or not?
Northern Rebel| 4.2.10 @ 4:03PM
Liberal Reader:
Oh C'mon!
Jimma and Teddy didn't do that! Yer just pullin' our leg!
Besides, they didn't want to kill us, they just wanted to control us, and limit our freedom.
It's not as much of a power rush, if we're dead!
Liberal Reader| 4.2.10 @ 4:17PM
Democrats = Liberals = Progressives = Socialists = Communists = Fascists = Totalitarians = Satanists!
It's just basic political science folks. Get used to it!
victor| 4.2.10 @ 5:49PM
Liberal Reader:
"Democrats = Liberals = Progressives = Socialists = Communists = Fascists = Totalitarians = Satanists!"
Finally, Liberal Reader comes to the light and speaks the Truth!
Nick| 4.2.10 @ 7:09PM
Frothy Reader,
Admit it.
If San Fran Gran Nan, Maxine Waters, Bagdad Jim McDermott, et al, had the power of "life and death" over their fellow citizens, the Tea Pariers would have been rounded up last summer and put in gulags.
We can ALL imagine Babs Boxer, going home every weekend, and assisting in abortions to satisfy her blood lust to Molech.
The only thing stopping you progressives are 200,000,000 privately owned guns in this country.
Liberal Reader| 4.2.10 @ 10:46PM
Nick, Victor, SoCon -- you guys are IDIOTS.
But you make great pets.
Soon, the liberal conspiracy to lock you all up in cattle cars and chuff you off to the camps will come to fruition.
Then you'll be sorry you ever defied our overlord, Obama.
victor| 4.3.10 @ 2:05AM
Liberal Fascist,
You would have made the perfect "Good German" and you would have turned us in.
With a smile no doubt.
Same thing in the Soviet Union, we would have been in the gulags because of you.
And in the colonies, you would have turned us over to the Crown.
Margie| 4.3.10 @ 12:24PM
I notice there was not a denial to your post by Liberal Reader.
Margie| 4.3.10 @ 1:05PM
"You make great pets." Spoken like a true demon.
Spoken like a blind soul who knows not what a pet HE really is by the Enemy of his soul.
Nick| 4.3.10 @ 7:53PM
Frothy Reader,
Not gonna' happen, no sir! Naaaaaaat gonnna happen.
Thousand points of light.....oops, wrong speech!
Did you miss you the part about "200,000,000 privately owned guns?" (That's two hundred million, for those of you in Rio Linda.)
Bydan76| 4.3.10 @ 4:06PM
Could it be that Lib Read has seen the light?
Oh wait......................
Dumb question. Nevermind y'all!
Pro Libertate!
Tim*| 4.2.10 @ 4:20PM
Then they tortured us , by forcing us to look at Presidente For Life Obama's teleprompter ,while force feedin' us arugula.
Tim*| 4.2.10 @ 4:29PM
Then they made us watch El Presidente For Life Obama Bowl , followed by Rahm Emanuel dancing The Nutcracker.
Ken (Old Texican)| 4.2.10 @ 5:10PM
OK Guys,
Lay off of Lib Reader OK?
He has to feel like the kid outside the store with his nose against the window.
It is Easter time when we all celebrate Jesus' message of love, (Agape'), and hope, and LR can only celebrate.............................Obama.
Bydand76| 4.3.10 @ 4:11PM
No
I hate idiotic bastards such as Lib Read, and I will continue to engage them at will!
He is a disgusting progressive pig and I subscribe to the Nug method of dealing with them!
I call a "pig" a "pig" when I see it and Lib Reader is a PIG!
Lib Reader is a commie PIG!
Deal with it!
Pro Libertate!
Mike B| 4.2.10 @ 6:15PM
Remember those nazis had liberal motives and they did to them what the left wants to do to conservatives. I have news for them. We conservatives will not go silently into the night.
Louis Jenkins| 4.2.10 @ 8:52PM
Liberal motives, Nazis, Homeland Security, or otherwise, we should not make the mistake of quaking behind closed doors with nothing but our bare hands. If we exact a cost for their behavior, even at the loss of our lives, it will put fear into them. It will not be a free ride for the slavers.
Bydand76| 4.3.10 @ 4:14PM
Hell Yeah Mike!
I fight to win and I win were I fight!
I look forward to the day when the progressive scum actually want to make something happen!
Pro Libertate!
Rich Rostrom| 4.2.10 @ 6:50PM
A few comments. It is ironic that the Soviets used Buchenwald as a prison; OTOH in Iraq, the U.S. used Abu Ghraib, simply because it was there.
The behavior of Soviet troops during the fall of Germany was appalling, but it wasn't due to Marxist immorality. It was gut-level revenge for what Germans had done in cold blood in the USSR. Inflicted on the wrong subjects in most cases, but that was tribal thinking, not bolshevism. Though I suppose a more decent government would have reined in its soldiers' worst tendencies rather than indulged them.
As for concentration camps: the term originated in Cuba in 1897, and was used in South Africa a few years later.
Louis Jenkins| 4.2.10 @ 8:33PM
Thanks Rostrom:
You jogged my memory. During the Boer War the Crown's forces did round up the women and children and place them in concentration camps. Prior to the wasted earth policy and the concentration camps the Boers were kicking some British rears.
Yosemeti Sam| 4.3.10 @ 1:56AM
" ... For the USSR, however, the next-step was a no-brainer: use the camps ...."
Ruskie ice cold pragmatism:
As in never let an opportunism crisis got to waste.
Anonymous| 4.3.10 @ 2:53AM
Left/liberal types call it "social justice."
John| 4.3.10 @ 8:51AM
The most chilling aspect of NAZI depravities is not the fact that they occured at all but the fact of when and where they happened and the modern day parallels to what is unfolding in America. If one political party believes it has the power to impose its radical agenda on an unwilling public, there will be a price to pay. I only hope that payback will occur through free and fair elections at the ballot box.
Tim| 4.3.10 @ 9:04AM
Ironically ,today's authoritarians are guys named Emanuel , Schumer , Waxman and Axelrod.
DatsunMark| 4.3.10 @ 11:27AM
Soviet ObamaCare: Never let a Death Camp go to waste.
martin j smith| 4.3.10 @ 12:01PM
There was a time when the Democrat( tic ) Party also stood for democracy. Now I feel that tic of Democratic is gone. This is a totalitarian loving regime which I cannot support. Also those interests such as the NYT have found their "hero" in Obama. I feel very proud not to be aligned with such forces. I am an American, not a D or an R--but I will never vote for any Democrat even if they ran for postal inspector as long as they are lead by an amoral,thuggish crowd with no sense of history and an indifference to the brutality other totalitarian regimes treat their people. For all their whining about "human rights" this current regime under BHO is the worst I have seen in my lifetime even worse than J Carter. and that is pretty bad.
Ken (Old Texican)| 4.3.10 @ 12:03PM
You know, folks,
I have been doing some extensive reading over the last couple of weeks. I keep running into the idea of "Soft Despotism" being predicted by some authors and commenters .....who ought to know better.
I've read...too many times to count..."descending into nanny states like the Europeans".
I just don't see that path for the US at all, if for no other reason..."unintended consequences".
As the Left keeps pushing ...hard... and demonizing the big center of Americanism, there is developing a huge "push-back" from that center, and the Right.
If my uderstanding of history is anywhere near accurate, The nanny states developed out of the total devastation in Europe and a sort of "lifeboat mentality" emerging there.
ie: "keep everybody fed, and don't rock the boat."
Combine that with the basic "serf-master" mentality so common in Europe where "class" distinctions are so prevalent even today.
If we stubborn freemen here in America cannot turn the congress around right here in 2010 with a clear majority at the polling booths...counted properly....it seems to me we are going to have a very combustible set of alternatives confronting us.
One path of course is that we all just lay down and let the "new ruling class" roll right over us; appeasement if you will......bargaining for a pittance.
I simply cannot picture a "significant minority" of Americans laying down. Quite the contrary.
I can picture the crony-capitalists like GE and George Soros etc. gone after with a vengeance. I can see ordinary Americans redistributing "Those Guy's wealth".....over night.
I can picture a path where a plurality of Americans simply simply refuse to "play ball" any longer with a government dependent upon a confiscatory "gangster style IRS" being built as we speak.
...Lots of unintended consequences along the way.
Thoughts?
Margie| 4.3.10 @ 1:43PM
In the Bible it tells us that God has an enemy. He called the Devil. God says that he is the Enemy of our souls and that he is a liar, and the "Father of lies." It says that he prowls around "like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." A wise man I know said once that the Devil's biggest trick is to make us believe that he doesn't exist. Indeed, how much of this world already believes that?
I take what God says very seriously. While the Bible says that the Devil is "the ruler of this world," I will not fear since I know that my Redeemer, Christ Jesus, lives, and He is more powerful than the Devil, and is NOT a liar. His promises NEVER fail. And since He promises to keep us no matter what, there is no need to be afraid.
It IS a fearful thing that is happening in our country now, but He will take care of us if we trust in Him. His will is going to be done, and that will is that He is going to overcome the Enemy.
The enemy of our souls hates the freedom of the individual. Communism is one of the ways that the Enemy works through people to enslave other people. Hitler being the prime example. Stalin, another. We have these as examples to learn by. It was easier in those countries but here we are used to our freedom and so it is being done sneakily, right under our noses. But Obama is not so sneaky, is he? He got elected and now he is working swiftly to ruin our economy. Stalin did this too. It is well known that Obama admires those of his ilk, Saul Alinsky, et al. We know for a fact he is a hard core "believer." While the Left demonizes us, mocks us, belittles us, we need to work even harder. We need to speak truth to the lies and not let up. The Devil is also called "the Accuser of the Brethren" in the Bible. He especially hates Christians. That's why you see the vitriol spewed especially aimed! The Enemy falsely accuses anyone who speaks the truth though, Christian or not, since truth is his enemy.
I know this is long and is a bit of teaching but it really matters to know the real picture, the big picture, versus the little trash. The little trash is the circumstances surrounding us, the big picture is that God's will is going to be done.
In the meantime we need to fight the good fight, speak the truth to lies, and VOTE. Seek conservatives to run as Republicans and back them with our money and our word of mouth, get them nominated and elected. If we don't do that and get the Communists out of office, we will only see more loss of our freedoms and more punishments from the Enemy through this despicable corrupt evil administration and its party of death.
Margie| 4.3.10 @ 1:49PM
*Second sentence should read "He is called the Devil."
Bill in Texas| 4.3.10 @ 2:15PM
...Lots of unintended consequences along the way.
Thoughts?
Yes, Ken and none of them are good ones to contemplate. The old saying about stop digging comes to mind. Filling the hole this government has dug us "in debt" is a generational project.
Americans can do attitude is shall we say..generational. It's our turn now!
Ken (Old Texican)| 4.4.10 @ 12:58PM
On this Easter morning, let us recall, the poor old third and fourth verses of our national anthem, that never are sang.
You know, a couple of thousand years ago, new hope entered this tired old world, with a risen Christ.
Two hundred or so years ago, that new hope was reflected again early one morning.
"no refuge could save, the hireling and slave..." and this folks is what our present government wants us to be.
And where is the band who so vauntingly swore,
'Mid the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country they'd leave us no more?
Their blood hath washed out their foul footsteps' pollution;
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation;
Blessed with victory and peace, may the Heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just,
And this be our motto, "In God is our trust":
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Are we brave enough?
Answers1| 4.5.10 @ 1:24AM
America is headed in the same direction, for the extermination of hetero white males by gays, feminists, and slavery-obsessed blacks.
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Glen Meakem | Conservative Talk Show Host » Buchenwald and the Totalitarian Century links to this page. Here’s an excerpt: