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The Disappearing Pro-Life Democrat

By W. James Antle, III on 3.22.10 @ 6:09AM

Bart Stupak's bait and switch is part of a larger trend.

Abortion has long divided the country, but it did not always divide the two major parties. When the issue was first nationalized in the 1970s, Democrats and Republicans differed among themselves more than with each other. In the first presidential election after Roe v. Wade, there were only relatively minor abortion-related differences between Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter. They ended up splitting voters on both sides.

In fact, large parts of the traditional Republican base were pro-choice and an even larger group of Democratic voters was pro-life. That's why no less a liberal than George McGovern opposed adding a strong pro-choice plank to the Democratic platform in 1972; both men he picked as running mates were pro-life. Though pro-choice, Carter objected to the Democratic platform's 1980 endorsement of taxpayer funding of abortion. Back then, there were upwards of 100 pro-life Democrats in Congress.

Today, are there any left? That's the question many pro-lifers find themselves asking after Rep. Bart Stupak's (D-MI) deal with the White House over abortion funding in the health care bill. After months of haggling, Stupak settled for an executive order that virtually no knowledgeable pro-lifer believes will be an effective ban on taxpayer funding of abortion.

President Obama's executive order essentially reiterates the abortion language Stupak and his allies had long found unacceptable while promising effective enforcement of the "segregation of funds" model most pro-lifers find unreliable. The order cannot amend or override the statute itself and can be rescinded by any president -- including this one -- at any time, if the courts do not overturn or ignore it first.

The only surefire ban on publicly funded abortion is an explicit statutory prohibition like the Stupak-Pitts Amendment, which is why pro-choice hardliners rejected that amendment but accepted the executive order. But Obama's signature on a piece of paper was nevertheless sufficient to get most of Stupak's wavering contingent of Democrats to vote to allow the federal government to subsidize and administer health plans offering elective abortion coverage.

Bloggers have been circulating footage of an old town hall meeting in which Stupak seemed prepared to capitulate on abortion funding a year ago. But given the recent history of many pro-life Democrats in Congress, one did not necessarily need YouTube to read the handwriting on the wall: almost as soon as the party leadership found it politically expedient to reach out to both sides of the abortion issue, Democratic pro-lifers began to marginalize themselves.

First, consider the voting records of many erstwhile pro-life Democratic stalwarts. One pivotal member of the "Stupak Dozen," liberal pro-life Rep. Dale Kildee (D-MI), voted with the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) 100 percent of the time as recently as 2005-06. In the following Congress, Kildee voted with NRLC just 28 percent of the time. Rep. Michael McNulty (D-NY), who declined to run for re-election in 2008, was another pro-life liberal. He agreed with NRLC 78 percent of the time in 2005-06 but did not cast a single pro-life vote in the following Congress.

Some cases are even more jarring. Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA) took a lot of heat for his pro-life stand when he ran to fill the late Rep. Joe Moakley's House seat in 2001. But between 2006 and 2007, Lynch's NARAL Pro-Choice America score zoomed from zero all the way up to 100 percent. His NRLC score plummeted from a high of 64 percent in 2003-04 to zero in 2007-08. Prior to his dissent on Obamacare, Lynch's only pro-life vote in the current Congress was in favor of the Stupak Amendment.

Even Bart Stupak only voted with NRLC 50 percent of the time during the current Congress before the final Obamacare vote. The same was true for Reps. Jason Altmire (D-PA), Chris Carney (D-PA), and Steve Driehaus (D-OH). For putatively pro-life Reps. Paul Kanjorski (D-PA) and James Langevin (D-R.I.) it was just 25 percent, the same as the typically pro-choice members who happened to support the Stupak Amendment.

Let's stipulate that NRLC sometimes scores votes on issues not directly related to abortion -- like Medicare price negotiation and campaign finance reform -- likely to bid down the scores of pro-life liberals. But consider the case of Rep. Tim Ryan (D-OH), who was considered a rising star among pro-life Democrats. By 2007, he was voting 100 percent of the time with NARAL and not at all with NRLC. Last year, Ryan was "booted" (his words) from Democrats for Life of America (DFLA).

Why? Ryan was consistently voting to lavish taxpayer funds on the nation's largest abortion provider. Then he voted to allow taxpayer funding of abortion in the District of Columbia, a position opposed by 38 House Democrats. "I can't figure out for the life of me how to stop pregnancies without contraception," Ryan told the Youngstown Vindicator, in an effort to make the pro-life case for Planned Parenthood. "Don't be mad at me for wanting to solve the problem." Ryan dismissed DFLA as a "fringe group."

Oddly, pro-choice Democratic leaders reached the conclusion that their party was perceived as being too one-sided on abortion after the 2004 presidential election. This included the party's vanquished nominee, Sen. John Kerry (D-MA). Democrats began recruiting pro-life candidates to run in culturally conservative districts in 2006 and 2008. They chose an avowed pro-lifer, Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV), as their leader in the Senate.

But instead of using their new leverage over their party, many pro-life Democrats were seduced by talk of "common ground": subsidies for contraception even when supplied by abortion providers and liberal economic policies with arguable impact on abortion rates. While framing the 2008 Democratic platform plank on abortion, these pro-lifers failed to win inclusion of a "tolerance clause" recognizing their existence yet declared victory when the party endorsed welfare spending for women who choose to carry their children to term.

Meanwhile as Reid ascended the Democratic leadership ranks, he increasingly differed with pro-lifers on everything but the label. Currently, there are only two Democratic senators who vote with pro-lifers on most issues. Neither of them defected on the health care bill once the Stupak language was defeated. In the House, only 16 Democrats voted with pro-lifers against their leadership on the politically tough issue of taxpayer-funded embryo-destructive research.

Now there are Republicans in Congress who self-describe as pro-choice who have higher ratings from pro-life groups than Democrats who describe themselves as pro-life, and vice versa. Being pro-choice is a barrier to advancement within the Republican Party, as is being pro-life within the Democratic Party. The House health care vote revealed the partisan sorting on abortion is not quite complete, but it is close.

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W. James Antle, III is associate editor of The American Spectator. You can follow him on Twitter at http://Twitter.com/Jimantle.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (149) | Leave a comment

Robbins Mitchell| 3.22.10 @ 6:40AM

Bart Stupak is an unprincipled little coward...a gutless little poseur who pretended to be 'pro-life' and then sold his soul for the promise of an executive order from Barokeydoke and some airport improvement funds for his district....God only knows how many babies he threw under the bus on Sunday night...but he had said as late as last November that he would vote for ObozoCare no matter what...so we should have seen this coming...personally I plan to do all I can to flush this 'man' down history's political toilet

imsteph| 3.22.10 @ 8:07AM

And he thought he was recieving calls before the vote? Buddy-really? Sold your soul and America for thirty peices of silver--oops my bad-that was the other Judas-two airports (by most accounts) in a state that no one wants to go to?
There is no such thing as a prolife dem-they are pro death everything...Margaret Sanger (the embodiment of evil) is their hero who wanted to kill anything that didn't look, act, and think like her. Just like the entire party now. They were infested with communism, hate, and lies about 100 years ago and carry that ugly banner of puss filled sores bursting with stench and death.....like they have something to actually offer.

loulou| 3.22.10 @ 4:06PM

You're right--no one goes to Michigan. Who would want to?

They should be closing down airports and demolishing cities. (Like in Detroit, murder capital of the world)

rosegrower| 3.24.10 @ 12:24PM

You are right about there not being pro-life dems - liberalism / progressivism is as much a religious dogma as it is a political one (without the inconvenience of a God), and those who claim to be liberal / progressive aren't allowed to hold ideas opposite of their masters. Look at what happened to Joe Lieberman when he thought for himself about the war in Iraq. Stupak didn't want to be drummed out of the party as a heretic. And why conservatives allow anyone to say they don't have a "big tent" is beyond me!

bdul| 4.30.10 @ 1:31AM

I disagree. I personally support Obama in some of the things he is doing, but not all. For example, I do not like the war he seems to be endorsing in the Middle East, I consider myself very pro life (and an adament Christian at that). I voted democrat, but I'm not a Communist (or a socialist). All of this fanaticism about how big and evil and communistic democrats seem really overzealous to me. As far as redistribution of wealth goes, did you know that all the rich people who are losing money in the deal are really only losing about $600 a year? On a salaries that those people have, 600 seems like a pretty small number.

Explosion Proof Light| 11.3.10 @ 12:22AM

Yes, the world need peace and justice. Every one have the right even the poorest area or country people.

Bronson S. Chattergee| 3.6.11 @ 7:26AM

You are clearly insane.

Just sayin'....

john| 3.22.10 @ 5:29PM

Mitchell...you are right on target,,,stupass is a liar/conman/demorat..........he went after the vote BS with his demorat buddies,,all scum..

Lullaby's, Legends and Lies| 3.22.10 @ 7:04AM

He didn't have a soul to sell in the first place, he eats dead babies for nourishment, as do most of the Democrats (Commies) down there in Washington do. Unbeknownst to most Americans, this is the "real" secret, as to how the Democrats gain their "Super Powers", which is the ability to look straight at the American People and lie to their faces, without any fear of repercussions-eating dead babies!! Supposedly, if you don't have a soul, they taste just like Chicken!! And if they're thrown under a bus? Just as well, the more tenderized they become!! Who needs a soul, when you can have Baby Tenders instead?

Robbins Mitchell| 3.22.10 @ 7:08AM

Now I understand why Bart Jr killed himself some years ago...he couldn't live with the disgrace when he suddenly realized what his father really was.

Becky| 3.22.10 @ 9:20AM

That's cruel. Stupak is my rep for the time being, but first of all a person. I am extremely disappointed in his vote and even more in his reasoning, but will always be sympathetic to the loss of his son. His son's death was attributed to the use of a prescription drug. I thought if anything, his son's death would solidify the pro life argument for him, after experienceing the joy of parenthood, and the pain of that premature loss.

If any congressman deserved to lose a son because of disgrace, it would have happened to Teddy Kennedy a long time ago.

Stephanie| 3.22.10 @ 12:17PM

Well Becky, I hope that you will work your tush off to make sure that this pro death bastard doesn't get relected in November. What a charade he put on for his 15 mins in the spotlight.

Lullaby's, Legends and Lies| 3.22.10 @ 1:30PM

Stephanie: It's too late for Becky, her State is doomed already!! It has been, and will continue to be Democratically controlled, but everybody there continuously wake up everyday and wonder why their State sucks so much? And they'll never learn. New York, California, Michigan, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Illinois, Oregon, and Jersey. Now they just want to spread it around to the rest of us, because we've been too successful, for far too long. Welcome to the new American dream, where you dream of the America of yesterday, long ago lost.

loulou| 3.22.10 @ 4:09PM

Suicide can happen in any family and should be off-limits, as far as I'm concerned. But to blame the suicide on a prescription drug is inappropriate. Is that what Stupak was claiming? If so, he's learned nothing from his son's death.

MTB| 3.22.10 @ 3:41PM

I didn't know that Rep Stupak's son committed suicide. His son was 17 when he did. My son committed suicide two years ago at age 21. Your comment is out of line. Find another way to disagree with Rep Stupak, but do not relate Stupaks' vote to the loss of his son. That is heartless and cruel and beneath any conservative to say. We can disagree while being compassionate to his and his family's loss.

Missy| 3.23.10 @ 1:33AM

I'm sorry for your loss, MTB; God bless you and your young son.

Bronson S. Chattergee| 3.6.11 @ 7:28AM

Wow! More crack?

Shamus| 3.22.10 @ 7:26AM

Democrats are really Communists.

Bronson S. Chattergee| 3.6.11 @ 7:30AM

.....And republicans are really plutocratic nazis, shamie. your point??

Ken (Old Texican)| 3.22.10 @ 7:28AM

Illegitimate children grow up to be Democrat voters.
Figure it out from there folks.

danfromatlanta| 3.22.10 @ 12:13PM

Ken, are you making the argument FOR abortion?

Missy| 3.23.10 @ 1:36AM

Geez, Ken; Liberals abort a lot of their children and it's a terrible tragedy. It's not cool to be flip about innocent babies being killed.

Bronson S. Chattergee| 3.6.11 @ 7:33AM

.....used to work for you guys myself. If I had a dime for every time I heard prominent "prolife" republican officials say, wistfully, " If only we could get the N------s to have more abortions..."

The republican party only holds on to this issue to hoodwink the elderly. They could care less about The Babies.

Louis Jenkins| 3.22.10 @ 7:33AM

If anyone was expecting the Blue Dogs to actually matter in this legislation, well, now's the time to think again. It is a different Monday in the US. As stated by a poster last week, "Hang on, you ain't seen nothing yet!"

Rocco| 3.22.10 @ 7:45AM

Why would anyone be surprised by the way these liars, cheats and thieves folded the way they did. They're cowards, and were bought off. What is the noun following the adjectival phrase "Blue Dog?" Why, it's DEMOCRAT! At the end of the day, you can reliably expect them to march in lockstep with their corrupt leadership. When Pelosi cracks the whip, they all fall in line, blue dog, yellow dog, pink dog, it makes no flippin' difference. They are still Democrats. Don't be fooled next election day, for crying out loud.

Melvin| 3.22.10 @ 8:00AM

Rocco, the elections this coming Nov. are not going to change a damn thing. I do not know why we keep pinning our hopes on it.
You can't make an rotten apple palatable by changing the fruit around the core. The apple is still rotten.

Rocco| 3.22.10 @ 8:24AM

Melvin, I know, you're right. I am just so damned frustrated by all this crap. We just need to burn down the whole damned tree and start over.

Gerald Stephens| 3.22.10 @ 3:23PM

Melvin,

Brilliant recommendation! America’s birthing, following a convulsive despotic gestation, was brought to a live birth through the technique, revolution. As expected, the despot responsible for the pregnancy was furious with the very sound of the word and amassed his nation’s agents to smash the post birth results.

Borrowing Thomas Bethel’s book title, Noblest Triumph, America’s birth delivered through revolution is the noblest triumph in the history of mankind. It was a long miserable, bloody process.

History does indeed repeat itself. Our America is again impregnated through a despotic rape. We may again be called upon in defence of the mother’s and baby’s life to perform another miserable, bloody revolution.

Do not shrink from invoking the word revolution as it serves as clear a waning now as conveyed in 1776. Ignoring the warning is at a despot’s peril.

Gerald Stephens
Hartford,CT

Michael| 3.22.10 @ 7:57AM

Perhaps with this vote people will finally see that any Democrat claiming a moderate, pro-life, mantel is lying to them and will vote accordingly in November.

loulou| 3.22.10 @ 4:12PM

And any Republican claiming to be a MODERATE, I might add. As in John McCain. Get rid of 'em!

bluecollarbytes| 3.22.10 @ 7:57AM

I expect any "executive orders" coming from the messiah to do nothing but solidify the social engineering of Obama's/Demonocrats'
govt-controlled health. Obama, being a supporter of the right to cut up fully developed babies as they try to escape the womb, is not going to restrict forced taxpayer-financing of infanticide. He's going to do all he can to make it impossible for voters to interject their own "change" in upcoming elections.

We'll either get into a full blown war over ObamaScare or the writing is already on the wall.

bluecollarbytes| 3.22.10 @ 8:10AM

correction: "Obama, being a supporter of the right to cut up fully developed *HUMAN* babies as they try to escape the womb...."

Hope this distinction does 'hurt someone's feelings' and/or offend. Medical Science even recognizes the obvious. It's ideology that has some folks denying the right to life for the most vulnerable. It's ideology that has them forcing this on those who treasure life.

Melvin| 3.22.10 @ 7:57AM

Good morning Ken, Louis. Your both absolutely correct.
I don't have to tell anyone what is being discussed around the water cooler this morning in NC. I thought in my 52 years I have seen angry people, and being in the Marine Corps that was the epicenter of anger.
But what I felt this morning is something I have never observed before. A quiet anger, but an anger this is more white hot than someone who outwardly and publicly displays it.
Many of my co-workers are so angry right now that they are shaking almost unable to contain their fury, but for the sake of the workplace they contain it.
People, Vesuvius is about to erupt. People were saying things that I cannot repeat in a public.
forum.
People, that I have worked with for years and wouldn't harm a fly or say a bad word, are walking about with clenched fists wanting to lash out at government.
Obama and the Legislative Branch have absolutely no idea about the powder keg that is beneath them and last night the fuse was lit.
I'm not talking about the Nov. elections either.
The time for talking and negotiation is over.

chuck| 3.22.10 @ 8:26AM

I know what you mean. Quiet anger.........but I feel like the least little thing could set me off, like I haven't gone off since I was young and dumb.

These motherf-ckers are going to destroy this country because of their quest for power. Give everything to these lazy assed, bastard-produced low-life pieces of sh-t, who don't do a g--damn thing to get off their lazy asses to help them selves. Its the ultimate definition of grred. Anf then we're called greedy because we want to keep what we've EARNED!!!! F-CK THEM ALL!

I work for myself, and I'll be damned if I'm going to report my income just to pay for the bastards. Its my own "Atlas Shrugged" solutions.

FUCK THEM ALL!!!!

Bronson S. Chattergee| 3.6.11 @ 7:35AM

Yeah, Ayn Rand, that noted prolife christian.

Rocco| 3.22.10 @ 8:27AM

Melvin, BTW, Semper Fi! I am a 57-year old 30-yr retiree, O-6, and believe me, I am as frustrated as you are at the apparent inability of this crowd of liars, cheats and thieves to honor the oath you and I took numerous times, upon entry and at various promotions through our careers.....

Gary Trawinski| 3.22.10 @ 10:30AM

Rocco, where are you from?

PJ| 3.22.10 @ 9:05AM

Hey you old geaks--- you better start fighting now while you still have your health! Medicare will be cut to the bones if not more leaving you guys fighting for the meager scraps. This means alot of you will be neglected & will die, unless you have enough money to fly to ??? and obtain the reasonbly priced medical care that was denied at home.

Psst! Between you & me, I think BO & ilk want to kill you off!

Melvin| 3.22.10 @ 9:33AM

This culling of the herd has always been one of the cornerstones of Liberalism.
For years now all we have heard is, "The Baby Boomers are coming, the Baby Boomers are coming."
This has been the biggest fear of Liberals and Republicans. "What are we going to do with the Old Bastards, because they are going to overload the system."
Hence the attitude is to start, "Wacking them before they get to the point of costing the system.
But society needs to keep in mind, somewhere someone has said this, "The Tiger is most dangerous when he senses the end."

Stephanie| 3.22.10 @ 12:22PM

Well, aren't most of the libs of boomer age? Isn't their ideology going to come back to bite them in the backside? Now THAT would be poetic justice!

ZerObama| 3.23.10 @ 2:19AM

Hey, PJ--that's 'GEEKS' asshole. Hopefully, Obama and his Mofokkers get you first!

Jim| 3.22.10 @ 11:18AM

Melvin, I am with you. Semper Fi!

martin j smith| 3.22.10 @ 8:14AM

Any Democrat claiming to run on conservative or "moderate" lines should have" Remember Stupak " as the rallying cry against them.

And
"There is no such thing as a "moderate or conservative Democrat.
They are all "Socialists Now"

Jim O'Brien| 3.22.10 @ 8:45AM

The Democrats are treacherous. They are a cancerous sore on the Constitution.

Troll (beneath the Mac.bridge)| 3.22.10 @ 8:55AM

Stupak has no worries on election day. The RTL UP'ers are far outnumbered by Michigans record breaking unemployed, especially in his district.

Our dem governor, backed by our Levin lead senate team and our Conyers lead representatives have very nearly choked the life out of Michigan. Stupak has just decided it's time to kill us off at a younger age and ease our suffering.

As they say here in UAW controlled America "I got mine, so SCREW you!" Now that's unity!

Becky| 3.22.10 @ 9:30AM

I don't kow about that. He's made himself a national target now, something like the inverse of Scott Brown. If he hadn't succumbed to the temptation to betray himself publically (urging members to vote against his amendment was weird), he may have been able to lay low, vote for it and be re elected easily. In hindsight, it seems like he wanted to be a big shot .
I think he looks foolish today. He was for his amendment before he was against it. A congressional drama queen.

I knew he stated in an early town hall that when push came to shove he'd be a yes. I was hoping his own personal ego would somehow triumph once he had so much publicity.

Richard Baker| 3.22.10 @ 8:56AM

Rush was correct. He said that ultimately the Democrats such as Stupak would be Democrats first and foremost. Stupak and his ilk in Congress have ALLOWED themselves to be placated with fool's gold. So much for the sanctity of life.

Inge| 3.22.10 @ 9:05AM

Knowing that ALL of Obamas promises have expiration dates, Stupak, and his group sold out for 30 pieces of silver. For that reason, the democratic party now officially own the label of 'The Party of death'. Pathetic, really!

Wicked Dickie| 3.22.10 @ 9:19AM

The birth of a new synonym: stupak=betrayal, as in I've been stupaked. Gotta vote 'em out. While we're at it we need to get rid of the abortionists who rule state-run media like our local "newspaper" which never heard of Tea Partys.

Nick| 3.22.10 @ 10:59AM

Wicked Dickie,

Actually, getting "stupaked" sounds like something Barney Frank might enjoy immensely!
Yuck!

Anhony| 3.22.10 @ 9:22AM

Those of us who have been paying attention for the entire year this debacle has been playing out are not suprised by Stupak's perfidiousness.
We have come to expect this mendacity from Ds; only a fool believes what amoral professional Ds in Washington have to say.
It is now time for the people to take matters in their own hands; we cannot rely on our "leaders" to lead, they must be led by us. In fact, they are begging to be led by us because they are too attached to the staus quo in Washington. November 2010 is the first message to be sent, as we must send scores of Ds back to civilian life.

BarbaraL| 3.22.10 @ 9:50AM

I'm semi-retired & don't go in until Friday. If my boss tells me one more time that I have to respect Obama because he's my president I may bitch-slap her on my way out the door.

Stephanie| 3.22.10 @ 12:25PM

She actually tells you that you have to respect the communist bastard? The gaul.
Well Barb, give her one for me!

Denver Todd| 3.22.10 @ 9:50AM

Rush says that pro life dems are liberals first, and pro life second.

Bronson S. Chattergee| 3.6.11 @ 7:40AM

Just like Rush is rich first, a repub second, a screaming anti-obama freak third, pro-war fourth, pro- his own advertisers fifth.....listened to the guy for years and heard abortion mentioned once or twice. I'm )cough( sure he's concerned about the veracity of the executive order...

Tim| 3.22.10 @ 9:54AM

We'll Remember On November 2nd !

The November Beatdown !

Janice| 3.23.10 @ 2:22AM

Ideology trumps all with Marxists--power and control.

Bob Miller| 3.22.10 @ 10:00AM

Recently, there was this fantasy that, while typical Democrats in office would follow the left/liberal party line off a cliff, a significant number held dissenting views very strongly. If nothing else, our eyes should now be open. At crunch time these poor excuses for people fall in line.

Timothy L. Pennell| 3.22.10 @ 10:16AM

This guy lost a child and still doesn't understand the importance of LIFE? He's in for a rough time. Now, and in the afterlife.

WalkingHorse| 3.22.10 @ 10:57AM

Stupak & Co. are reprehensible. Let's be real here. These people were perfectly willing to sell the American people into a permanent condition of serfdom provided they could feel personally "pure" on the abortion issue. Rather than selling out for 30 pieces of silver, they sold out for a handful of wooden nickels. This was never anything more than moral preening, which is beneath contempt.

For those of you who sincerely believe that abortion is the cardinal political issue, please consider this: it is foolish to think anyone willing the enslave the living will have any sincere respect for the unborn.

Nick| 3.22.10 @ 11:23AM

WalkingHorse,

It's the other way around.

Anyone unwilling to protect the life of the unborn will have no compunction with enslaving the living.

Molech is basking in glory, this morning. His progressive worshipers have delivered him new offerings that will have to be paid for by his enemies.

SoCon| 3.23.10 @ 1:41AM

Dead on, Nick--as usual. If someone will kill the most vulnerable among us he will kill anyone.
It begins with abortion.

Nick| 3.23.10 @ 1:02PM

SoCon,

Thanks, so much!

I guess this makes us a couple of "one issue voters", huh?

We are the bane of people like 3/5 Bob, David Frum, David Brooks, and most political campaign managers!

Michael L. Hauschild| 3.22.10 @ 11:23AM

It will be very difficult to overturn Health Care legislation, even more unrealistic than expecting to win issue votes without a majority. I have written within these pages many times hoping against hope that this would not come to pass but knowing full well that “elections have consequences.” Many of you hung your hat on morality, the falsehood of theocratic superiority trumping secularism, or the horrific depiction of abortion in its later stages as the vehicle to derail this momentous affront to democracy. Whether you aspire to the egregious partial birth position of pro choice or the Papal declaration of life at conception sooner or later you will have to face the fact that as such arguments have proven ineffective, incidental and a detriment to the focus we need on the real issue of saving the country. Fifty million women have made a far more difficult assessment concerning their personal life, the lives of their existing children and welfare of their families than you have ever faced in a voting booth; that is, of course, till now. Here is a partial list of arguing reproductive rights.
(1) Fifty million women, despite all your protestations, have made that choice. This number equals that of one third of the current population female population of the USA.
(2) The vote tally in the house was 219 which is light considering that many were given a election year “pass.”
(3) The tea party, the most ascendant sector of the electorate, refuses to even acknowledge “social” issues.
(4) The RNC runs shrieking from any form of “litmus test.”
(5) The Senate refused to insert any form of “Stupak” in their version of the bill.
Those are facts you cannot ignore, but here is the hidden problem that most pro-life groups fail to acknowledge; many of those people sitting in the pew next to you have had abortions, many of them, if not female are pro-choice, and many of them are democrats who voted for Obama. Then of course the real problem for you is there are contrarians such as I who venture into the Lion’s den of AS armed with nothing other than civil discourse and the freedom of speech. That said, I implore you once again to channel your anger and angst in the proper direction; focus on electing those that expound smaller government, less taxes and personal freedom, that lost, all is lost.
So much for my opinion, now if you really want to do something constructive while you are waiting for November make sure you contact your state representatives and have all those AG’s who are suing contact the other thirty three AG’s to make arrangements to form an insurance pool to combat the Federal mandates. This may be harder than you surmise because of the trickledown effect of state insurance industry lobbyists and influence but if the majority of states entered the pool the economic ramifications would be manifest. Fight fire with fire, economic states rights trumps entitlement socialism every time.

Melvin| 3.22.10 @ 11:41AM

Forgive me from being up most of last evening, and the brain is not swift this morning, but, "Tea Party refuses to acknowledge social issues."
In regards to what particular social issues?

Frank Natoli| 3.22.10 @ 11:44AM

Michael: all of your facts are correct, but I suggest that you draw the wrong conclusion from them.

Social issues and economic issues share the fundamental issue of individual responsibility. Once you begin to discriminate between social issue responsibility, e.g., I will [or will not] be responsible for the "surprise" results of my sexual behavior, versus economic issue responsibility, e.g., I will [or will not] be responsible for providing health care for myself and my loved ones, you lose the argument. What makes your individual responsibility issue "right" while mine is "wrong"?

"Pro-life Democrats" are inconsistent and that's why they're going to become extinct. They have one foot on individual responsibility with respect to sexual behavior and the other foot on individual irresponsibility with respect to economic "necessities" and it doesn't work. Ditto "pro-gun" Democrats. Same contradiction in being responsible some times and irresponsible other times.

This is a different form of "pro-choice". You either choose to be responsible, or not. Which is it? All of the facts you gave are simply evidence that people are selectively irresponsible. That's true. What's not true is that such thinking and behavior should be endorsed and/or catered to.

Margie| 3.22.10 @ 7:59PM

Mr. H.,
You sound like the poster "Bob" who always tries to tell us who are pro-life that we need to give it up. That we are just Religious fanatics trying to "impose our morals" on everyone else. This is the typical Libertarian view. It will never come to fruition, thankfully because most Americans believe in life even for the yet unborn and will always look for a conservative candidate we can back who share the same principles. And not just abortion, but the rule of law generally.
I pray we will never have a country bereft of these things. This country will not go down without a fight against those people and policies that want to disregard the "social" issues you mention.
And why does there have to be a separation? Why can't we vote for candidates who are both morally and fiscally conservative? Unless of course one is truly against morality in general.

SoCon| 3.23.10 @ 2:05AM

What Hauschild doesn't seem to understand is once a nation loses its moral bearings, it's doomed. History is littered with the bones of corrupt and debauched empires.

It isn't about money it's about love.

I believe a nation that does not protect the lives of its most innocent and vulnerable will not survive.

I also believe we are seeing the beginning of the whirlwind we are about to reap as a result of the cruelty we've shown to our unborn babies.

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."
(Galatians 6:7 KJV)

My heart is broken but I still trust in my God; He is my Lord and my Light.

Margie| 3.23.10 @ 11:30AM

Good post, SoCon,
I'm in agreement with you and share your feelings as well. I have an old friend who used to call the Clintons Mr. & Mrs. Abortion. This was at the time I really started paying attention to all things political, and placed my first vote for President. I decided I had to vote against this horrible man, and voted for Bush Sr. I also decided that from that point on I would always vote Republican for the very reason that I knew that the Democrat party was utterly corrupt, and I had a duty to at least cast my vote in opposition. I kept that commitment.

Well now we have the Party of abortion- the Democrat party.

Until Christ returns to save those who are eagerly waiting for Him, He says this world will have a great Tribulation such as has never been. (Mt. 24).

"But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people." 2 Tim. 3:1-6.

Till then, what I plan on doing is what I've been doing. Exposing falsehood when I see it, voting for conservative Republicans, work out my own salvation with fear and trembling, (Phil. 2:12), and trust in God's mercy, because I desperately need it!

God bless you, SoCon!
"But you, beloved, build yourselves up on your most holy faith; pray in the Holy Spirit; keep yourselves in the love of God; wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And convince some, who doubt; ave some, by snatching them out of the fire; on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with rejoicing, to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and for ever. Amen." Jude 1:20-25.

Margie| 3.23.10 @ 11:36AM

*in the last paragraph of my post, in the verse it should have read, after the words "who doubt;"- "save some."

SoCon| 3.24.10 @ 3:03AM

You too, Margie--may God bless you and keep you.

Nick| 3.22.10 @ 11:36AM

Mr. Hauschild,

50 million women have NOT had abortions. There have been 50 million abortions committed. We don't know how many had multiple abortions.

Also, this has been over a 37 year period. We don't know how many of these poor women have died in that time period. Some, as a direct result of their terrible "choice", from infections, breast cancer, etc.

So, your statistic, "one third of the current population female population", is not at all accurate.

SoCon| 3.23.10 @ 1:44AM

Right again. Many women have had multiple abortions--I've heard of some having ten or more! They use abortion as birth control--nice, huh?
Horrific to say the least.

God help us.

Citizen Jerry| 3.22.10 @ 11:45AM

I agree with Phyllis Schafly. There is no longer such a creature as a pro-life Democrat.
I hope Sellout Stupak enjoys his 30 pieces of silver. His "great reward" will end up very unsatisfactorily for him.

martin j smith| 3.22.10 @ 12:03PM

Let me repeat--any democrat who pretends to be a "moderate " ,"centrist"."Idependent",or "conservative should be told to take a hike somewhere in the wilderness. And be exposed a frauds that they are.

Tim| 3.22.10 @ 12:18PM

My gut tells me that Stupak will loose his own election by a far wider margin than the other 75 or so Congressional Democrats and the 11 Senators.

Then the first order of business in January 2011 is the move towards Articles of Impeachment against Obama.

Regardless of how bad the ecomomy is and regardless of how big the Union/Chicago spin machine is there are still more "American Capitalists" than Socialists and as long as they all vote this November we will rid this country of this current cancer.

But to be fair....I do like and watch the NCAA Basketball Tourney as well Mr. President.

C.K. Amos| 3.22.10 @ 12:26PM

"Pro-life" Democrat? That oxymoron won't hunt. Hasn't hunted.

Stupak, Rahall et. al. know, as we do, that everything Barack Obama says comes with an expiration date.

They conveniently ignore that within days of being inaugurated, he rescinded GWB's executive order prohibiting federal monies being spent overseas for abortions.

Plus, for Stupak, Rahall et. al. to have the infanticidist Obama sign something to protect the sanctity of life?

Were it not for my TV not having an unbreakable or bulletproof screen on it, I would shot it when Stupak got up last night to speak against the Republicans' recommit action.

The Democrats can huff, puff, lie, whatever--all their normal behaviors--but they have formally become the Party of Death, headed by a man with no conscience.

It'll be entertaining to see Stupak, Rahall of W.Va., and others who called themselves Blue Dogs get retired this coming November.

C.K. Amos| 3.22.10 @ 12:34PM

Archbishop of Denver Charles J. Chaput wrote, in part, on March 19:

"No rights are safe when the right to life is not. . .

"People who claim to be Catholic [this word could certainly be “Christian”] and then publicly undercut the teaching and leadership of their bishops ['Jesus' would work well here, too] spread confusion, cause grave damage to the believing community and give the illusion of moral cover to a version of health care 'reform' that is not simply bad, but dangerous. . .

"If the defective Senate version of health-care reform pushed by congressional leaders passes into law—against the will of the American people and burdened by serious moral problems in its content—we’ll have 'Catholic' [this word could certainly be 'Christian.'] voices partly to thank for it. And to hold responsible."

See http://www.firstthings.com/ont.....uo-witness

John3| 3.22.10 @ 12:45PM

From now on,we can not trust any Democrats to protect the unborn! Sadly, the last truly pro-life Democrat was the great Governor Casey of Pennsylvania. The organization Democrats for Life need to do some soul searching within their ranks. Life is a our FIRST right; any country will fall to pieces without this right!

C.K. Amos| 3.22.10 @ 1:00PM

Where I live, last election I saw several bumper stickers that said "I'm a Christian and Democrat!"

Oh, really?

What these people do, as do the so-called Catholic and Protestant Christians who call themselves Democrat, is deceive themselves.

I've heard some of their arguments: The Republicans this, the Republicans that. Oh, I don't support the abortion position of the national Democrat Party.

Well, I've said: When, then, do you lend your name to them?

Have never gotten a coherent answer, other than a rehash of Republicans this, Republicans that, etc.

They'll get their opportunity one day to answer to the Chief Judge as to that.

Lullaby's, Legends and Lies| 3.22.10 @ 2:14PM

Yep!! And all those hypocritical, Commie Atheists, Baby Killers will never be welcome there. MR Stupak your potential invitation, has just been withdrawn too, it's time to make other plans. Enjoy that new Airport of yours, but you probably will, it'll be children free soon enough.

Brian R. Higgins| 3.22.10 @ 12:49PM

Thank you for explaining why Senate Democrats made Harry Reid their leader. I was puzzled about that for a long time. Ironic it had to come to this to find out.
"They chose an avowed pro-lifer, Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV), as their leader in the Senate. "

Margie| 3.22.10 @ 12:56PM

Democrats are suckers. Just like Stupack got fooled by his Communist Leader, the "One", so will all of you Liberals who voted for him and actually believe this Health Care (Welfare) program is going to work for you.
You have no idea what you all are in for.
Just like the people in Communist countries had to wake up and realize they were sold a bill of goods, you will too are going to wake up one day. You will not like what you have been sold.
You will not like what your country is going to become.
You will find out that your Dear Leader's goal is to turn your country into a third world country. Because he doesn't believe in American exceptionalism. We should be as low as those other third world countries to make it fair. As Rush just said, next it will be amnesty for millions of illegals. And their healthcare will be paid for by you!
But you have been had, and you don't seem to mind. Until (and it will) bite you on your own butt!

Lullaby's, Legends and Lies| 3.22.10 @ 2:00PM

Hi Margie: It's a dark day in American History today, huh? Right up until the end last night, I kept holding out hope that it would turn the other way for us, but alas, it did not. We cannot trust the word(s) coming from those Commies ever again (that would be the Democrats, if you had any doubt), all they know how to do is lie, raise taxes, take away our freedoms, and kill babies. But we face a long battle ahead of us, but I'm up for it, are you? I'm never going to admit defeat, until that day comes, that some other Country in this World, lands on the Moon, and kicks over our Flags, and we do nothing about it. But until that day comes, and God forbid it ever does, "Give me Liberty or give me death!!"

I can't wait for November to get here now, we need to destroy the Commies again!!

Margie| 3.22.10 @ 2:55PM

Greetings LLL,
Yes, I'm up for it. I'll never give up, it just isn't in me. Like Rush said today: Hound the Democrats out of office. That's what I've been into doing since the first time I ever cast my first vote for a Republican President back in '92. That's what I'll do till I die.
So, I'm with you! And while the complainers and blamers want to blame it on Bush, I blame the Liberals and Socialists and Marxists that make up the Democrat party. Not ONE Republican voted for this fraudulent mask of a takeover over our economy, yet all they can do is blame it on GW. Par for the course though. Leftists can't deal with reality or the facing of same.
November can't come soon enough. In the meantime, I got an e mail from Eric Cantor about fighting back. Let's all put our money where our mouths are. Little by little like we did in VA, NJ MA.
So here's the link: https://www.icontribute.us/ericcantor/initiative/HCE
United We Stand.

Lullaby's, Legends and Lies| 3.22.10 @ 3:35PM

Margie: I knew I could count on you!! But I've got to tell you, I'm slowly going broke this year sending my money here and there, but I check out your link nonetheless. I have to be down over $2,000 already within the last year alone, and I'm not rich, as you well know by my job. But being that the Dollar isn't going to be worth, Umm?, crap soon!! I might as well spend it now, right? Like they say, you can't take it with you, and if you can't, you might as well spend it on defeating your enemies while you're here. The Battle lines have now been drawn, it's the Freedom Loving Americans versus the Commie wannabees. And if American History teaches us anything, you should never bet against America. And like I've said before, I'm never going to believe it's over for us, as a Country, until the day, that some other Country lands on the Moon, and kicks over our Flags, and we do nothing about it. But until that day comes (God forbid), or at least while I'm still breathing, I will never allow the U.S. to turn into the newest Commies on the block (even small "c" Commies)!! Never!! How anybody could rejoice at what happened last night in Washington, I'll never understand? Our Founding Fathers must be spinning in their graves!!

Margie| 3.22.10 @ 4:00PM

Sgt. Lullabyes,
You're a Great American! I am honored to know you through this forum. When you get to Heaven you will rejoice with the Founding Fathers because they'll be there waiting to greet you, and they will say to you, "Well done, good and faithful soldier!"
As for the money~I look at it this way~ $20.00 per person multiplied by 5 million people! Just think, little by little.
God bless.

Swissik| 3.22.10 @ 1:19PM

You are all fooling yourselves if you believe that the November elections will make any difference. Most Americans will have settled down to watch Idol or some other show on TV and will have forgotten the travesty that just took place. Those of us who pay attention will unfortunately have to suffer along with the dopes who don't realize what is happening to their lives. As for Stupak, I watched the interview with Greta on Fox and knew then that the guy was not an honest individual. I mean really, an ethical democrat? Puuuleaze.

Janice| 3.23.10 @ 2:08AM

We wouldn't be in this mess if we were a people of character.

Seek| 3.22.10 @ 1:20PM

Remember the Second of November -- 2010. With the exception of the usual automatic victories in all-black or Hispanic districts, the Democrats will be wiped out.

Swissik| 3.22.10 @ 1:26PM

You wish....I believe that the country's voters are today simply too dumb to care. I was born and educated in Switzerland and find that I always was and still am better informed and alert to the political shenanigans in the US than the avereage voter. Alas there are too few of us to make a difference in the complacency of the American voter.

Ken (Old Texican)| 3.22.10 @ 1:58PM

Hi Swissik.
Welcome to our conversation here.

Please forgive me sir/madame, but you are mistaken.
Unlike you Swiss, banking the stealing from the belongings of Jewish folks during Hitler, many of us Americans are Christians and Jews who do not steal.

On the other hand, we sorta' like you guys with firearms in your homes... Your government doesn't "progressive" much toward communism. Hmmmmm.
Are you here now? Are you going toward citizenship? Are you now a citizen?

I am the COO of a national company. We ain't dumb. We got a little complacent. We ain't no more!

Janice| 3.23.10 @ 2:10AM

Swissik makes some good points, but what an arrogant ass!

baldwin| 3.22.10 @ 2:02PM

Dems can no longer hide behind R v Wade as settled law that they have no control over. They have voted for a law (super ceding any executive order) that will use taxpayer funds for abortion. Stupak the drama queen is embarrassing himself.

Don| 3.22.10 @ 2:07PM

No one should be surprised by stupik's sell out to obama. Look at the people that call themselves demorats and he fits the mold. Too bad abortion wasn't an option when obama, piglosi, reid, and stupik were conceived.

C.K. Amos| 3.22.10 @ 2:56PM

You're right, Don.

I admit: I got suckered. I hoped that Stupak and some few Democrats allied with him were principled.

But Dems are Dems first, then maybe, just maybe, Americans second. As for liberals and leftists? That first, then maybe Dems, and maybe, but not so very likely, Americans third.

In at least one way, Stupak and his confederates have done all of us non-Democrats/liberals/leftists a favor: They've established fully that there's no such thing as a "pro-life" Democrat.

Nor is there such thing as a "centrist" or "moderate" Democrat.

Bigtex| 3.22.10 @ 2:19PM

My theory is that Bart Stupak never was a no vote. That was all done for the whip effect that it would generate when he "switched" to a yes vote. All of the fence sitters decided to follow his lead when the publicity (propaganda) began and when he when down the "yes" path, so did they. I think the proper term for his role is the "Judas Goat".

C.K. Amos| 3.22.10 @ 3:00PM

Yep. He also served as a great distraction, didn't he?

Republicans and conservatives and libertarians--really, anyone--are fools if they ever believe anything a Democrat, liberal and/or leftist says. Everything about the Dems, liberals and leftists are for sale, including their souls.

Janice| 3.23.10 @ 2:11AM

Abortion is the Left's sacrament in the church of liberalism--they'll never give it up. Monsters.

Hardcard| 3.22.10 @ 2:42PM

Hey !! stupidak so long punk.

Dan| 3.22.10 @ 2:48PM

All along TV pundits were saying Stupak would cave and they were correct. Time for voters to show him the door.

Tony in Central PA| 3.22.10 @ 2:51PM

Looking at the photo, I'd say this was Stupak's Neville Chamberlain moment.

JmsA| 3.22.10 @ 4:04PM

Tony in Central PA:

Well done; you stole my thunder. A worthless piece of paper, indeed.

rich| 3.22.10 @ 3:03PM

Here is what happened -- Stupak and his group always intended to vote for this bill. The purpose of their well-publicized opposition was to provide cover for other democrats to vote "yes" and not be the deciding vote. I'm sure they will be getting some really sweet pay-offs, probably in a swiss bank.

Al Adab| 3.22.10 @ 3:17PM

The promised executive order is not worth the paper it might be printed on. Funding will proceed through third parties like Planned Parenthood.

Rep. Stupak knows this, but one wonders what threats and coercive moves lie behind his switch. We can only hope he and his family are safe from the arrogance of the Chicago Mob now in control of our nation.

Bigtex| 3.22.10 @ 3:27PM

Maybe Peloony will give him some gavel time like Jesse Jr.

MTB| 3.22.10 @ 3:45PM

Listen, this proves that a Democrat is a Democrat and will almost always side with the party. The answer is to vote every single one of them out this November (those that are running for election). Vote preferably for a conservative Republican, a Republican or an independent, but send this party a message they will never forget. They are arrogant to the point that they think that we, the American people, will forget by the time the election comes in Nov. They will start the lies, the finger pointing, the campaign to deflect our attention from what they did to the Republicans. Vote them out. ALL OF THEM! EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM!

Bigtex| 3.22.10 @ 3:59PM

According to interviews I heard this morning from a couple of the Gloatocrats, they think that We the People will like the legislation they have passed by then. Talk about out of touch with reality!

Bill,from WV| 3.22.10 @ 4:16PM

Stupak, played his constituents a fool! He was nothing more than a hold out to get his "taste" of the pie. In this poor excuses case that would have been trading the lives of millions of unborn for $700,000.
I guess , Obama got off cheap! Compared to what he paid Landreau!
I know this for certain,Stupaks opponent in the next election cycle, will not lack for money in their "war chest". Stupak made sure of that yesterday!

MRD

Michael Tomlinson| 3.22.10 @ 6:01PM

Hopefully, the Obama Democrat’s oligarchy has taught gullible conservatives you can never ever trust a Democrat. Those who swallowed the bescumber Chuck Schumer's buncombe that "penalizing" Republicans was a “principled” how are your vaunted principles holding up in the light of political reality? As for those who thought the asinine idea of "throwing away an election or two" was ingenious – you were too smart by half. As for the jackasses who told us the blue dogs (Obama’s bitches) would restrain the Democrat party and pull it to the center if not the right – thanks for making the 245th anniversary of the Stamp Act memorable.

Margie| 3.22.10 @ 6:25PM

Sadly there is still a huge third party hue and cry out there. I think Glen Beck is contributing to that notion. He keeps crying "There's no difference between the 2 parties!" The same cry we hear from the holier than thous that you mention. The "too principled" to vote for a Republican if they aren't perfect.
In NJ, I voted for a supposed RINO~ his name is Chris Christie. I'm proud of him. He means business and for the first time in decades there may yet be hope for this state.. we'll see.
Hound the Democrats out of office, like Rush said, by backing conservatives in the Republican party. It is the only way.

Michael Tomlinson| 3.22.10 @ 7:14PM

Margie good on you for doing the right thing. Glenn Beck isn't a conservative anymore than he's a Republican. At best he's a right of center populist. Combine that with a giant ego and a large audience and you've got a jerk too big for his britches. He's do for a fall. As for his stupidity about there not being a difference between the two parties Chris Christie and Congressional Republicans put the lie to that BS!

Michael Tomlinson| 3.22.10 @ 7:14PM

Margie| 3.22.10 @ 7:44PM

I just wish Mr. Beck would come to the same realization. I wish he would, because I think he is contributing to the delinquency of the third party false hope by taking the stance he is taking. I wish he would realize that by so doing he is also contributing to Obama II. I've been preaching about this for years. It seems like a lot of younger folk are really jumping on that bandwagon. Thanks to the Democrat liars, the lying media, we have this battle to fight, to try and win over these would be voters to the Republican side. Glen could have a huge effect in this and has an excellent opportunity but doesn't seem interested. If he were truly for conservatives winning I believe he would be encouraging his listeners to vote for conservatives in the Republican party though, like Rush does. Sometimes I want to call him and say this but I've heard others trying to and to no avail. I'm hoping he will change his mind.
Being that we have a 2 party system in this country (I know you know all of this, but for the perhaps benefit of others), and since the Democrat party is the proven Socialist party, and the Republican party's platform is all good~ lower taxes, a strong Military, pro-business, pro-life, etc... why shouldn't we all work to nominate and elect conservatives to the party then?
Yes there are old establishment Repubs who's time has perhaps come, and we can vote them out. Vote in conservatives, that's how we do things in this country!
I think there is yet hope for us as a country if we would just look at it from this point of view and unite.
Thanks Michael!

Obie Wan| 3.22.10 @ 8:16PM

What have we got here, a Glenn Beck hatefest? Why don't you two bozo's (Michael Tomlinson and Margie) get a room and let the rest of us get back to the problem of trying to figure out how to deal with the Democrap marxists and Republican water carriers that have screwed this country up for the better part of fifty years !!!

Margie| 3.22.10 @ 8:40PM

Insult aside,
do you have a better idea than what I stated, Mr. Wan? Is there a better way other than nominating and helping to elect conservatives to the Republican party? Or are you just proving yourself to be exhibit A here?
Please enlighten us.

Bydand76| 3.22.10 @ 10:43PM

Margie,
I think what our esteemed Star Wars person is trying to say is that Mr. Beck has a knack for pointing out that the fallacy of RINO philosophy is apparent.
If Republicans want to simply be a a party of Democrat lite then they are no better than what we oppose. Hence ......the despicable RINO AND the progressive socialist Democrat.

We need to be more aware of what the Conservative/Libertarian is BEFORE we come to any conclusions against what we are fighting against.

Personally, I think I am more aligned with what Mr. Beck has to say right now than anyone else. He is a HUGE supporter of the TEA party movement AND Conservatism than some other people I have heard talking.

Remember..... a label is only what your enemy has made you appear to be.

You might have more in common with Mr. Beck than you might think.

Just a thought.

Remember John Brown and Harper's' Ferry,

Pro Libertate!

Margie| 3.23.10 @ 12:03AM

Bydand76,
In truth, Mr. Wan didn't try to say anything. He hurled insults because he didn't like what we said. Typical Liberal behavior of turning constructive criticism into supposed "hate." I asked him if he had a better idea and no reply.

What I said was the truth. Promoting a third party is not helpful to the conservative cause at all. The biggest fallacy is actually the lie that "there is no difference between the 2 parties." In reality they are like night and day.
I guess what I'm getting at is why create utter chaos by doing that? Why would he choose to do that? Is he deceived or is he consciously aware of it? Why would he not encourage others to back conservatives in the Republican party? And do you not realize that going that route will cause the Democrats to win again? Why would anyone want to help them? Conservatives wouldn't do that! And I have nothing in common with anyone who helps Democrats.
It isn't a matter of hate or not liking someone. It's a matter of the truth and what's best for our country. And that's about actually winning. Not causing division on the Right.
I listen to Glen's show when I can and he's wonderful up until he comes out with that line. (that there's no difference bet. the 2 parties), and then he just reveals himself as a divider. That's my opinion.
If you're going to vote you must choose a party, no? We have 2. The Socialist Marxist Communist party, and the Republican party. So why not strengthen the party of Lincoln, by backing conservatives to run? Not for a third party which will divide the vote and give us Obama II.
God bless.

philfl63| 3.22.10 @ 8:25PM

Simple logic would reveal that if Stupak was truly pro-life and committed to his principles then he would not have negotiated in the first place. The only logical and iron-clad way to prevent a "violation" of his precious principles would have been to ensure the defeat of the bill. However, simple logic should have told everyone that any person who is a Democrat is also a completely amoral cynic and liar.

CMD in Texas| 3.22.10 @ 9:14PM

Has Stupak been listening to Obama's other promises? You know...the CSPAN debacle…the Hope and Change thing…the “no lobbyist” in my administration…and so on. Hasn’t Stupak noticed the nose growing on Obama? Doesn’t Stupak remember that Obama is Chicago politics bred? Deals are made to be broken…really! Well Mr. Stupak you can count on one Being to remember your humanity or lack of humanity...and those unborn children paid for by your decision will never live to thank you. In your case, a Party and a President are more powerful than Your Conscience!

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Cow Rie| 3.22.10 @ 10:56PM

So it came down to this:

Stupak got punked by Obama

or
Stupak is a lying weasel.

Some choice.
Welcome to your Congress.

Crawfishin'| 3.23.10 @ 12:06AM

Kaputs (Stupak backwards) is what the whole Demoncratic party is about ....Lies!

Yosemeti Sam| 3.23.10 @ 2:27AM

" ... They chose an avowed pro-lifer, Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV), as their leader in the Senate...."

Yeah - and I'm Santa Claus.

Paul B.| 3.23.10 @ 5:07AM

This article gives some interesting perspective on the political history of the abortion issue. Stupak's phony prolifism is going alienate a lot of politically middle-of-the-road prolifers from the Democrat Party. Recall that most Americans are prolife, and they are more committed to the issue than pro-choicers.

It's increasingly manifest that the Dem Party has been taken over by extremists and special interest groups, all antithetical to the health, and even the survival, of the nation. The lot of them, taken together, are less than worthless.

This is an historic opportunity for the Pubs, should they rouse themselves to the moment. Some, such as Paul Ryan and Mike Pence, seem to be doing just that.

Cow Rie| 3.23.10 @ 10:29PM

So it came down to this? Either:
Stupak got PUNKED by Obama or

He is a two-faced weasel.

Paula| 3.24.10 @ 11:19AM

Stupak isn't that stupid. He allowed himself to be mislead. He was a willing participant in this. I wouldn't put it past this administration that that snake Rahm did some digging in Stupak's background and found something dirty on him. And then - Voila' - he folded!

Paula| 3.24.10 @ 11:16AM

Hey - something just occurred to me yesterday. We all need to be careful that the Republican/conservative that we vote for is really a conservative and not an acorn plant. You know the type, they look like a republican and sound like a republican, but once in office, they vote demoncratic/liberal.

MattZ| 3.24.10 @ 12:00PM

I think it's fair to say that most pro-life American politicians are Republican, ever since they cornered the market on being the divinely-inspired party in the 1980s.
MZ

thirteen28| 3.24.10 @ 12:04PM

Disappearing??? You mean such a thing actually ever existed in more than name only at one time?

TaterSalad| 3.24.10 @ 12:19PM

When Barack Obama signed the executive order giving Bart Stupak assurances that the healthcare bill would not use federal money for abortions, he created (3) three scenarios.

Fact: BHO taught Constitutional law in Chicago.

#1. Did he sign the order knowing full well that an executive order does not trump a statute, thereby believing that the common taxpayers would buy this "cover" for Stupak to vote yes (voting yes all along) and accept the $726,000.00 in bribe money. (probable)

#2. Bart Stupak is dumb as a stump and bought this executive order BS. - (doubtful)

#3. BHO believes that his executive order will be the law of the land and that it will "trump" any statute by the time this healthcare BS takes effect. - This means one thing. One man rule and Marxism.

What do you think??

No rules anyhow: http://sweetness-light.com/arc.....p-as-we-go

Bart Stupak was just using everyone, including Greta Van sustren. He was voting "Yes" all along. He was getting some big bucks ($726,000.00) for airports in his district and wanted to hide this from the public. Here is the proof that he was going to vote yes:

http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=23237

Tater Salad| 3.24.10 @ 12:19PM

.....and another link:

http://sweetness-light.com/arc.....r-airports

Jarhead| 3.24.10 @ 3:39PM

Representative Ryan: "I can't figure out for the life of me how to stop pregnancies without contraception"--Maybe he should call his father and review that talk they had when he was about 12 or 13

jai| 3.24.10 @ 6:43PM

Stupak is just imoral liberal. The whole thing was staged to make him look like he has a soul in order to get him re-elected. Surely even the chumps in his home state will see through this.

No one deserves to lose a son, but he definitely deserves to lose the 2010 election.

TaterSalad| 3.24.10 @ 8:00PM

http://sweetness-light.com/arc.....r-airports

Tater Salad| 3.24.10 @ 7:59PM

When Barack Obama signed the executive order giving Bart Stupak assurances that the healthcare bill would not use federal money for abortions, he created (3) three scenarios.

Fact: BHO taught Constitutional law in Chicago.

#2. Bart Stupak is dumb as a stump and bought this executive order BS. - (doubtful)

What do you think??

No rules anyhow: http://sweetness-light.com/arc.....p-as-we-go

http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=23237

Tater Salad| 3.24.10 @ 8:00PM

..........and

http://sweetness-light.com/arc.....r-airports

John3| 3.24.10 @ 9:37PM

Can somebody please list down the Democrats who sided with Stupak?

Lee| 3.25.10 @ 9:25PM

If the Dems want to keep referring to Repubs as the party of "No" we have to keep referring to them as the "Party of Death" which they are.
Death to innocent babies
Death to old people (yes, there really are death panels in the healthcare bill)

Repubs better keep saying NO to this, NO to Amnesty and NO to cap and trade.....

bruce| 3.27.10 @ 7:22PM

i am from R.I. and my congress critters are all commie traitors i vote against them but this state is run by unions and commies.we have 15% unemployment business flee R.I. in droves so they raise taxes and revenue drops so they raise taxes and wonder why there is no money for union pensions.we are so screwed

LA Scenester| 9.17.10 @ 12:15PM

I explained the Statute of Limitations long ago but there was some typical internet "lawyer" on here posting that it was from when a crime is discovered.

Escort Beijing| 10.26.10 @ 7:48AM

I was born and educated in Switzerland and find that I always was and still am better informed and alert to the political shenanigans in the US than the avereage voter.

Explosion proof light| 11.4.10 @ 12:40PM

There is something way off balance in the character of Barack Obama. --from Not the American Way By Quin Hillyer
And it is the problem.

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Tetris | 12.1.10 @ 3:37AM

Until Christ returns to save those who are eagerly waiting for Him, He says this world will have a great Tribulation such as has never been. (Mt. 24).
Tetris

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