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Stephanie| 3.17.10 @ 6:22AM

Yeah, there needs to be some "self-executing" here. And I don't mean on this foul bill.

ggoblue| 3.17.10 @ 8:13AM

that took guts steph...

the troops of the north once marched into battle singing this:

john browns body lies a moulding in the grave-his truth is marching on....glory glory hallelujah, glory glory hallelujah....

i hope we dont need another "shot heard round the world" but i prefer it to dictatorship. what a country this has become. i fear hitting the submit key.

Nytestriker| 3.17.10 @ 9:04AM

I could not agree more. The dictatorship has begun, however, we can still overcome this in November. But we all have to act together and turn them around once and for all.

If more than that is required then all is lost - nobody but us old guys will fight back with more than words, the rest of the country has turned into pansies that want to be taken care of.

Gary| 3.17.10 @ 11:01AM

But there's a lot of us old white guys...

NOBAMA| 3.17.10 @ 2:13PM

Right you are. We must not only take back our congress, we need to turn the boat around. Start dismantling all the entitlements, and the entitlement mentality.

BillofGoods| 3.17.10 @ 2:32PM

Hey now, plenty of us young guys grew up right, value our freedom, recognize the foundation and principles our country was built on, and are ready and willing to use the sword should the pen fail.

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 3:54PM

I am in shock.

No where in recent politics have I seen a more disrespectful display to a US President. Whatever your beliefs are, whether you agree or disagree with him, he is still our President.

What happened to patriotism? "plenty of us young guys...are ready and willing to use the sword should the pen fail. "

Are you serious?

If the president of the company you work for said something in a meeting you didn't agree with, would you call him a name in front of your co-workers?

If you were in the armed forces, and your commander gave an order you thought was wrong, would "there needs to be some self-executing here" on the wall when he wasn't looking?

No. No you wouldn't.

Ask yourself why you wouldn't.

And now ask yourself why this kind of talk is okay.

Is it because you're anonymous online? Then you are cowards.

Is it payback for all the nasty things said about G.W.B.? Well then you're children.

And I would tell you square to your face if I had the chance.

Many great men, much greater than us gave their lives for us to enjoy this freedom we have. The freedom to speak, the freedom to vote, even the freedom to debate

But this...this kind of talk is just repulsive. It amazes me to this day how many conservatives have flat out no respect for The President Of The United States. They say it's not racial, but so much hypocrisy from older white men tell a different story.

We have the freedom to disagree. And intelligent debate is something I'm proud our country was built on.

Unfortunately, some also have the freedom to make bold, disgusting, cowardly insults and threats, while hiding behind screen names on the internet.

It's just shameful.

Ron MacClay| 3.17.10 @ 4:01PM

President Obama swore to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Our loyalty is not to an individual or to an office -- it is to the Constitution and to "We the people of the United States of America."

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 4:32PM

"the rest of the country has turned into pansies that want to be taken care of. "

Hmm, it sounds to me like your loyalty only belongs to "we the people of the United States Who Agree With Me."

"i hope we don't need another shot heard round the world but i prefer it to dictatorship." How in the world can you sanely say a statement like this is patriotic?

It's one thing I've noticed about this entire Tea Party movement.

None of you want to publicly debate what you stand for. It's all about being underground, only speaking to and with those that agree with you, and bouncing falsehoods off each other. You either don't have the intelligence or the guts for public discourse.

That's why no one takes you seriously. You're what they call "lunatic fringe."

I'm guessing most of you are 50 or older. So hopefully, we'll only have 10-20 more years of this insanity.

Scassel| 3.17.10 @ 4:35PM

Haha "I'm mad. I only talk to other people who are mad!" - like a child with their arms crossed.

Good call jim

Nick| 3.17.10 @ 4:42PM

Mr. Richels,

In the military, you show respect for the rank, not necessarily the man. The same goes for the Office of the President. I'll respect the office, not necessarily the man.

How can you possibly write that the Tea Party movement has been "underground"? Don't you have a television?

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 5:01PM

Nick,

I'm not saying the President is not allowed to be criticized. He should be. And he is held accountable to "we the people."

But it's one thing to criticize, it's another to issue threats from behind a curtain.

Sorry, you are right. The tea party is not very "underground." Let me explain...

MoveOn.org is a democratic foundation, a group of organizations working to movtivate Americans to get back into the political process. But it's for democrats. FreedomWorks, is the Republican version of MoveOn.org. FreedomWorks largely funded all the tea party activities, while Fox News, a Republican leaning network, promoted it.

Remember a few weeks ago when Romney pleaded the tea party to vote republican instead of coming up with their own candidate?

So no, you're not underground. You're a arm of the republican party duped into believing you're a part of some "revolution"

little old lady| 3.17.10 @ 5:57PM

Hey every one this idiaote( sp intentional) is a MoveOn.org TROLL. Please disregard troll comments.
It ok sonny. Have a cookie and a glass of warm milk. It's time for your nap. When you go outside to play later remember NOT to play in the street. Also come in before dark.

Typical obamazombi.

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 6:23PM

Dear little old lady,

I do not belong to MoveOn.org. I am not a "troll."

I'll tell you what's typical.

Typical: Calling names instead trying to refute any thing I've said

Typical: Hiding from debate to take comfort in only those who agree with you.

It's ok, little old lady. There's nothing to be scared of here in the big bad world. The big black man isn't coming to get you. Here, take your medication and I'll put on your shows.

Bettijo| 3.18.10 @ 1:25PM

Mr. Richels:

You do not know what you are talking about. I paid my own way to Washington on 9/12 -- transportation, hotel, food, everything. Nobody contributed one red cent toward my trip and as far as I know everybody there paid their own way. I know everybody on my bus paid their own way...we had to get a certain number to pay for the bus. That was no problem as it turned out we filled two buses. Nobody gives us anything. In addition, we have no "paid workers," only volunteers. FOX News gave us almost no coverage for the 9/12 march and they seriously under estimated the numbers we had. Only two papers gave us fair coverage and they were foreign publications. FOX is paying a little more attention to us now because we have grown so large nobody can ignore us any more.

We have nothing to do with the Republician party. We are all Independent and will not vote along any party line. Many of our members are running for elected office for the first time. If I were younger I would put my hat in the ring.

You need to do a little research before you sound off.

Alton Robinson| 3.19.10 @ 8:43AM

Remember the old saying don't pay attention to something and it will go away. That's why the msm don't do any of the tea bag movements or the 9/12. They think that if it is not covered on their "great news" show it is of no consequence. They don't even pay attention to their ratings. They are like the "one" great only in their own minds.

Staple| 3.21.10 @ 3:32PM

It is tiring to my old bones to hear of respect for the commander (rank) not the man.
Officers swear to serve "at the pleasure of the President." Small wonder so many severed our associations during Clinton. Today to serve -- you have to kiss ass; be a minority; next a gay (or supporter) to have any say.
Don't work for your pay-it will be doled; don't expect to keep fruits of you labors they will be distributed; don't trust your elected they will be absorbed. Patrick Henry feared the Federalist would kneel to debts owed the British - I feared Obama would bow toward the "Chicago Way", or worse; now I fear he does endorse the worst and he can hide behind his deceit, confusions illusion,

Anthony| 3.17.10 @ 5:19PM

Mr. Richels, I seem to recall this past summer, (you might remember) as members of Congress took their summer recess after the heated health care debate, that it was Democrat members of Congress who refused to meet with their constituents, and when they did finally show up for a "town hall" meeting, it was stacked with union goons, like the ones who beat up the black man holding us a sign against health care. I also recall that his finger was bit off, by a compassionate liberal. Oh, and didn't Pelosi call us Nazi-like mobs?
I also remember many constituents asking pointed questions about what the bill actually contained, to which their helpless and hapless congressperson could not answer, as they, unlike their constituents had NOT READ THE DAMN BILL.
So, Mr. Richels, just who is it exactly that doesn't have the intelligence or the guts for public discourse?

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 5:47PM

Anthony,

I do remember. I remember the members of congress trying to talk to people, and these people would shout back things they read on the internet whether true or false.

I remember a liberal biting off a finger. I also remember teabaggers showing up at ralleys with AK-47s.

Listen,
I can sit here and say "Obama was born in the United States. Here is the proof, the actual documents, that makes this statement true" and at least half the people on this website will either come up with some crazy falsehood they found online, change the subject, or simply refuse to believe it. It's hard to debate or even hold a simple conversation with people who are in this mindset.

And what makes roll my eyes the most, the very most about this whole movement is this:

Where were you people before Obama was President?

When the debt was rising, when the economy was dive bombing, when our defenses and national security was stretched so thin because of a war no one can justify....

where were you all then?

There was no talk of revolution. There was no talk of tyranny.

Why? Well probably because an old, white, republican was in charge. Older people liked that. AM radio liked that. Fox News liked that.

So yeah, that tells me that this all isn't about a revolution or patriotism, or anyone being sick and tired of anything.

It's all about half of you being brainwashed by conservative media, and the other half, well, just scared that they're becoming pretty much irrelevant.

WhistlingPastTheGraveyard| 3.17.10 @ 11:01PM

That's why no one takes you seriously. You're what they call "lunatic fringe."

You can keep dismissing the anger all you want but remember - Virginia, New Jersey and Ted Kennedy's seat are now gone.

Convet| 3.18.10 @ 1:32PM

Lunatic Fringe? We outnumber you liberal twits. Underground? Been hiding under a rock?

mike| 3.21.10 @ 1:55AM

is that why you lost 08 by 10 million votes? We are the majority. We won. You lost. You are the minority. I can't dumb it down any more than that for you. I do hope you will be able to understand. What part of outnumber and lost are you having trouble with?

SpiralArchitect| 3.17.10 @ 6:43PM

Shock?
Maybe the userper will gain respect and be treated with such when he recognizes he is a reprsentative of the people, not their Monarch.

Jim, I shall not break down, in piecemeal fashion, your diatribe as you have displayed ( displaying your flawed or lack of logic) thus far.

Your comments seem to be nothing short of mish-mashed ramblings.

Christopher Holland| 3.17.10 @ 10:08PM

I remember lots of liberals saying that in the 2000 election, when they claimed that Bush stole Florida. They must be on vacation now, they are not nearly so outspoken. They think it is ok to use the constitution as toilet paper as long as it is a liberal backside being wiped.

darcy| 3.17.10 @ 4:33PM

Jim Richels:

Here's my reply to your ignorant comments:

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OR ABOLISH IT, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Thank God for men who pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor TO DEFEAT A TYRANT. Thank God for George Washington who took up ARMS to end the slavery that King George had imposed on the colonies.

Thank God for Alexander Hamilton: "They endeavour to persuade us, that the absolute sovereignty of parliament does not imply our absolute slavery; that it is a Christian duty to submit to be plundered of all we have, merely because some of our fellow-subjects are wicked enough to require it of us, that slavery, so far from being a great evil, is a great blessing; and even, that our contest with Britain is founded entirely upon the petty duty of 3 pence per pound of East India tea; wheras the whole world knows, it is built upon this interesting question, whether the inhabitants of Great-Britain have a right to dispose of the lives and property of the inhabitants of America or not?

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 4:47PM

Dear Darcy,

It's great to see you can copy and paste words written some 200 years ago. But where are your comments?

"whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends"...exactly how did our government become destructive? By trying to provide healthcare to millions or Americans?

Boy, that argument seems a little far fetched.

Care to try again?

Also, let me ask you, isn't it a little embarssing to be running on this "2nd Revolution" rhetoric, one that was created by shows like Glen Beck to garner ratings? Its kind of like when a kid watches Spongebob and then dresses up in Squarepants PJs.

darcy| 3.17.10 @ 5:03PM

Ignorant again, JR.

I don't watch GB. And as for health care to millions of Americans, maybe you should consider the health care NOT GOING TO BE GIVEN to millions of seniors due to rationing of care.

Or maybe you believe we can add 30 million patients to the system and it all be deficit neutral.

Hey, about the Medicare 38 TRILLION dollar unfunded liability this nation faces and the debt my grandchildren owe coming into the world this year, to the tune of $40,000. HELL NO, I don't want to steal money from them so you can go to bed feeling all saintly and compassionate for "expanding access."

Look, sweetums, you can enslave yourself if you like, but leave the rest of us alone. We don't need no damn nannies telling us what WE MUST PURCHASE, or be fined, or go to jail, telling us what rx we can or cannot have.

You're absolutely insane if you think that isn't slavery and destructive to our liberty.

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 5:21PM

Dear Dear, oh sweet Dear Darcy,

1) Please tell me where this debt came from, because it sure wasn't Obama's and Clinton's. In fact....lets look at some actual facts for a change....

Reagan increased the national debt by 11.2%. Then George H. Bush increased it by another 12%. Clinton came in and lowered it 9.8%. Then old Dubya came in and raised it 5.6% his first term and 6.3% his second term.

Naturally most of the recent years debt came from war. Whether that war was justified, is a whole other issue. So you can tell your little grandchilden they can't go to college because of The War on Terror, or because of The Republicans, but you sure can't say it was the Democrats.

had a surplus. So tell your grandchildren to thank Dubya for that one.

2) Here is where I stand on healthcare.

It's inflated. Left as is, would bankrupt our country. The Republicans in congress will not allow Obama to do anything, right or wrong. They nix every idea the democrats have in fear of losing more seats in elections. So the issues do not matter to them. It's all about the elections.

As for you, Darcy. I hear a lot of talk about "tyranny" and "slavery" and "revolution," but where are the Tea Party's solutions? Where is their platform? Where is their leader? Why isn't there anyone who will stand up and own this movement and say "We are Americans. We don't agree with this, we do agree with this, and this is how we would like to change things."

No you don't do that. You call names. You make threats. You scare easily. You're from a generation afraid of Black people. This is the first President younger than many of the baby boomers, which scares them too.

And what do scared people do? They hide nameless under the covers and throw out insults and negativity, with no substance, no ideas, no leadership, and no guts.

Nick| 3.17.10 @ 5:37PM

Mr. Richels,

I'm assuming you have a television, then?

What if I got Darcy, and a few others on this site, to vote for the proposition that we get Jim Richels' TV. And car. And furniture. Would that be okay with you? That's democracy in action.

It is evil to take from one group of people and give to another. That is not the purpose of government. This is why we are a Republic, not a democracy.

Quartermaster| 3.17.10 @ 5:51PM

Richels is a member of the leftist lunatic fringe. He evades the facts, all the while calling on others to be substantive, when he refuses.

Yep, some of us can copy and paste words from 200 years ago. And this is bad how? Particularly when those words are as accurate now as they were then. Particularly when George III was a pansy compared to what the leftists are trying now.

Calling Moveon a Democratic is accurate only if you admit they are deeply in the tank for a leftist Democrat party. It is sure isn't representing anything that the majority of this country adheres to. It is, OTH, diametrically opposed to what has made the US what it is. Frankly, I think that's the point too.

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 6:01PM

"Quartermaster"

Thanks for that first line, it was amusing. However, calling names will get you no where unless you can back it up with facts.

Copy and pasting text from 200 years ago isn't bad. In fact, it can be quite educational.

However, when you are debating an issue, when someone merely pastes text from any other source as if to say "this is my response," and offers nothing more, that just shows me they have no real capacity for an opinion of their own.

I don't agree with MoveOn. I dont like it. I equally don't like FreedomWorks. I think both are ways people push issues without being held accountable because their hidden.

And this is why I don't like the tea party. They say they are all about being for people, and being run by the people, when really, it's the republican party running it all. It's all a ruse

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 5:54PM

Ok Nick,

I'm assuming you have the internet then?

Good. I'm going to call your bluff here.

Educate me.

Because I'm sitting here thinking "the entire rest of the world has government provided health care. We have more people die from lack of healthcare every year than from terrorists."

And according to you our government providing healthcare to these people, saving lives, is evil. To me, it seems immoral to let them die.

Show me why you're against it. Show me why it makes you so mad. Give me a list and provide links to documents to back up your statements. I won't read any and pasted Glen Beck crap.

I dare you.

Petronius| 3.17.10 @ 6:03PM

To all JR's
Your health and well being are not the purview of government at any level, nor is it mine or anyone elses. It is incumbent upon us all as Individuals to maintain ourselves in society on that basis and not burden our neighbors. BO whored you for your vote by promising to pick our pockets to subsidize your deficiencies. And our opposition has nothing to do with his complexion. Skin pigmentation has no bearing on the PROFLIGATE PARASITIC BEHAVIOR of an all too INFANTILE electorate who saddled us with this Marxist Despot. We have the right to live by and for ourselves without hindrance from the likes of you. Keep your hands to yourself!!

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 6:17PM

Dear Petronius,

It's just one JR. That's my name, Jim Richels. You see, I don't have any need to hide behind fake internet names because I'm proud to stand behind what I say.

blackwatch| 3.17.10 @ 9:30PM

nice retort Jim--boy you got him that time!

Barry Sotero/Barack Hussein Obama what's in a name? Whatever he chooses to be to suit him at the time apparently.

Now it's not race that has us concerned. It's lack of historical understanding by the under 40 voter in this country and their damned sheeple habits. I'm two years younger than the President and I don't fear his racial background. He is after all a half white man. But that has nothing to do with how he chooses to govern. If you choose to keep bringing up the old saw that GOP'ers and TEA Party participants are a bunch of racists we will keep discounting your arguments. This lacks originality and cheapens the discourse. I was enjoying your attempts to persuade without ad hominem attacts.

We on the right have a much bigger gripe with Congress. Which the last time I looked was run by WHITE PEOPLE. But you see only his skin. I see his secrecy and his deceptions. His lies. His association with criminals. His lies about how he will govern from the middle of the road. His corruption. But the whole Hope & Change theme really sucked you in. What has changed? Well Bushes 2008 deficit of $400 billion has quadrupled to $1600 billion in one year. How's that change narrative working for you? That's generational theft. And since you seem to indicate that you are from a younger generation than us old white racists I hope that your enjoy what an anchor a $14,000 Billion dollar national debt is to an economy. Have fun paying the bill bucko!

Reformation of the Health Insurance Industry could have been done in less than a week if you really wanted health insurance reform. But know you statists over-reached and you tried to ram a single payer system through. Then it morphed so many times into the 2400 nightmare we now have that no one knows what's in it. Government health care is not free! It comes with strings and it gets rationed. Why do you need so much comfort and so little freedom. Aren't you a man?

chuck h| 3.17.10 @ 6:07PM

Mr. Richels:
You assume that we don't like Obama because he is black. I am about Obama's age. I have voted ,for president, for Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush, amd McCain. In other words, I didn't vote for Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, or Obama. So what makes you think race has anything to do with it? You are a non-thinking troll. Go spout the talking points elsewhere!

I will give the current President some respect when he starts respecting the foundations of this country: life and liberty. When he tries to remove freedoms, and force people into a government controlled health care system, hell yes, we get mad.

If this thing is crammed down our throats, and shoved up our ass, there will be hell to pay. You can only push some people so far. Just ask the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 6:15PM

"If this thing is crammed down our throats, and shoved up our ass, there will be hell to pay. You can only push some people so far. Just ask the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building "

You're clinically insane.

How do you explain facts to someone who's insane?

Chuck, lemme ask you a question:

- please explain how I'm a "non-thinking troll"
- also, which of my comments have been "talking points"
- How does calling my "talking points" make it an excuse for you to choose not to refute them?

I don't even know why I'm replying to you. You're as crazy as the terrorists.

TopHall| 3.17.10 @ 6:35PM

Clinton ADDED @ $1.4 TRILLION to the debt, so how in the world did come up with the fantasmagorical statement that he LOWERED the debt 9.8%. It's as easy as checking the U.S. Treasury website and looking at each year's debt. P.S. - He also never had a surplus, let allowed "billions and billions" as the leftist propagandists claim.

Alton Robinson| 3.19.10 @ 9:00AM

I have never ran from anyone in my life white or black, so no black people no not scare me. There are a lot of things that the GOP has suggested but the one said he won and it will be his way. To really reform health care they will have to go to the reason, like the cost of a Doc visit, hospital stay, cost of medicine forcing the health system to pay such large amount for liability insurance. Medicaid is one of the reason for the high cost. There is no reason to blame insurance companies, I don't care for them but they have their uses. But common sense tells you for them to say in business when the cost of health care goes up they have to increase their premiums. Most people have got the idea that the gov owes them. They don't. They do owe the people that have worked all their life and paid for something that they were told would probably not be their when they got old enough to use it. For some reason people think SSI and Social Security were the same, not true. The same for Medicaid and Medicare, one is for people that do not and has never worked the other is the people who paid into it all their life and to use Medicare after they get old enough they still have to pay for it.

SERVOMODE| 3.17.10 @ 10:17PM

Hey Don Richels,

Just because you think does not make you thoughtful. Just because you speak does not make you smart. I would give you the qualification of an Intellectual Deviant. There is no proof of Intellect in any of your responses. You only want to Bait the argument so you can continue writing/speaking so you can re-read your own thoughts. What are you willing to stand up to and die for?

Letscheck| 3.17.10 @ 6:00PM

J. R. I am willing to be that you have been more than unkind to a lot of people when it served you.

It's not your job to tell everyone else when they are allowed to talk and what they are allowed to say.

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 6:03PM

No it's not my job. You are right.

But it is very telling about someone's character.

and quite frankly, it's kind of sad.

Mark Samples| 3.17.10 @ 6:02PM

"""whether you agree or disagree with him, he is still our President. """

That's the problem. He's trying to take some shortcuts and loopholes (which the use of caused people to turn against the Republicans and vote for him) into institutionalized process. He's going that one step further.

That step that screams treason.

So yes, some folks are getting really really pissed off.

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 6:08PM

Mark you can get as pissed off as you want. It's your constitutional right.

In fact you can believe any crazy thing you want. You can believe he did some slight of hand magic trick that caused a record amount of voters to turn out and vote Obama over McCain by over 10,000,000 votes.

You can believe that. Be my guest.

But when you make statements inferring you want to kill the president because of some of his policies...then I have to question your integrity, character, and sanity.

Nick| 3.17.10 @ 6:32PM

Mr. Richels,

How is that calling my bluff? Calling my bluff would be giving me your TV and car.

So, is ObamaCare going to stop people from dying? You bleeding hearts do believe he is god, don't you?

People are going to die, you can't stop that. And neither can ObamaCare.

Now, here is your education. I won't charge you.

Medical care is a service, not a right. Medicine is a product, not a right. People who say they are rights, have no concept of what a "right" is.

Products and services cost money. If you can't afford a service that is necessary, that is what charity is for.

As you did not agree to my offer to vote for who owns your TV and car, I'm going to assume you also believe it is wrong, immoral, EVIL for a majority to take property away from a minority. That's the way it should be in a constitutional Republic.

Government provided medical care is socialism. And socialism is evil.

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 6:45PM

The Government runs Medicare. So Medicare is socialism according to you. Let's put a vote on this site:

WHO WANTS TO GET RID OF MEDICARE ALTOGETHER LIKE NICK?

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 6:50PM

And this is where you and I differ.

You believe medical care is a "product," like a car or TV. They way it's treated now.

I believe it should be a right, that we live in a country so rich, so advanced, so moral, that we provide healthcare to it's proven citizens as so many other countries do.

Bascially you say screw the poor, I say help the poor.

You say "I'll care about me" and I say "Let's care about each other."

If there's a 3 year old kid in Texas who gets hit by a car, I believe that in America he shouldn't have to die just because of his family income.

Nick| 3.17.10 @ 7:22PM

Mr. Richels,

It took you five minutes to come up with more inanities, huh?

Also, is English your second language?
I wrote that medical care is a SERVICE, not a product. Medicine is PRODUCT. I can see that you are not very easy to educate, if you can't get that straight.

You can believe it is a "right" all you want. That doesn't make it true. It is a service, as I wrote. Your refutation amounts to, "No it's not, because I said so!"

I suggest you go research where the concept of rights came from.

I would never say, "Screw the poor." I'm a Roman Catholic. You are libeling me, please stop it.

If a 3 year old kid in Texas gets hit by a car, he cannot be denied medical care, by law.

How many straw man arguments can you fit in one post?

Nick| 3.17.10 @ 7:25PM

Mr. Richels,

Yes, Medi-scare is socialism.

Is ObamaCare going to keep people from dying?

Blackwatch| 3.17.10 @ 9:55PM

yes ditch medicare. leave my wallet alone. I can buy my own healthcare. give us our freedom to fail or succeed without the likes of you progressive/fascists/statists.

Aren't you a man? Or does your wife have your testicles in her purse?

Alton Robinson| 3.19.10 @ 9:05AM

The gov runs Medicare but you have to pay into it all your working life and still pay after you retire to use it. Now Medicaid is another matter it is totally ran by the gov and the ones who use never have to pay for it, so that is what you could call socialism.

darcy| 3.17.10 @ 6:15PM

ignore the troll who lives to nettle

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 6:27PM

Yes, ignore those who disagree!

MinuteMan| 3.17.10 @ 6:16PM

Gov't by the People For the People, otherwise it is the rightful duty and OBLIGATION of the People to restore the Gov't to the People. The lying, cheating, corrupt, self-serving statists MUST be removed from office.

SueF| 3.17.10 @ 6:31PM

Then get a majority vote next time

Blackwatch| 3.17.10 @ 9:41PM

The constitution is not a suicide pact. We won't allow the statists to purposely bankrupt our nation. every department should be cut 12% this year and 12% every year after that. IF changes don't come via the ballot box then a very abrupt and painful change will come to America.

WE HAVE RUN OUT OF OUR OWN MONEY AND CHINA IS NOT GOING TO LOAN US ANY MORE. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THIS DEFICIT SPENDING?

Jim E| 3.17.10 @ 6:20PM

JimR,
Pound sand troll, We have a right to say anything we want. I spent 30 years in service and fought in two wars and I'll say whatever I damn well please. I didn't fight to see some leftist shithead like obama destroy America. POTUS serves us, not the other way around.

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 6:29PM

JimE,
I don't care how many years you served, if you agree that flying planes into buildings filled with innocent people is just fine, like chuck up above does, then I hope someday we can meet so I can kick the shit out of you.

darcy| 3.17.10 @ 8:01PM

Flagged as Offensive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

darcy| 3.17.10 @ 8:08PM

Gotta love that Lefty compassion, that "let's be kind to our Pres" talk; but underneath such appeals to civility lies a fire-breathing dragon. WE have to be nice and deferential, but the ones who want to tamp down our understandable rage . . . well . . . they have their own boiling point, don't they? It didn't take so very much to reveal your heart, did it JR?

JimE| 3.17.10 @ 11:22PM

JimR,
Any time, let's find out if you are who you say you are or you are the real coward. Flying planes into buildings is acceptable to you as long as the victims are American and the the pilots are muslim or an American communist? Go back and grovel at obama's anus and partake of bitter fruit that awaits you punk.

Convet| 3.18.10 @ 1:44PM

Come on over. My shotgun can take you out fast.

Brenda Bristol| 3.18.10 @ 1:20AM

Mr. Richels:
well we surly would not want to engage in shameful, cowardly behavior now, would we?
Much more preferable to use taxpayer dollars to BRIBE deme for their votes on their OWN party's Bill; refuse to aquiesce to the Majority of Americans, who adamantly oppose this completely transparent
conspracy to convert 1/6 of US Economy to Socialist Govt control and keep us under their thumbs from cradle to grave so this sham of a presidency can stay in power on the backs of moochers, while breaking mine to pay for all their free stuff!
You libbers are nothing more than a bunch of liars and hippocrites--with the demagogues in power refusing any debate on Healthcare. Silence The Dissenters! Shove it down our throats!
We'll be shoving it up yours come November!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
My name is Brenda Bristol. You can CALL ME at 972-822-0880. We can 'intelligently debate' the real reasons behind this UNCONSTITUTIONAL BILL.
What is SHAMEFUL is having a Marxist Idealogue and pathological Liar sitting in our White House!

George F| 3.18.10 @ 12:41PM

You appear to be a typical liberal who thinks you have a right reprimand and ridicule anyone who doesn't agree with you.

For your information, American citizens are allowed to disagree with their government especially when they feel the government is not representing them properly and when their represenatatives are not living up to their sworn oaths.

That's what is happening now.

Want to get our email addresses and report us on Obama's website?

It sounds like you would do well in Russia where people are taught to tattle, the behavior you so obviously enjoy.

Bill J| 3.18.10 @ 6:02PM

Well Jim, If the President doesn't have any respect for the citizens who disagreee with his plans, inferring that we are poor misguided souls, why then should we respect him?? To infer that because we disagree with his plans we are being disrespectful of the office he holds is an assinine position to take!

Explosiong Proof Light| 11.2.10 @ 10:29AM

The difficults in future can not forecast, we only can do is to do the best for every thing.

Gretchen| 3.18.10 @ 10:51AM

Gary- don't forget us old gals--we have an interest in this too!

old white guy| 3.17.10 @ 9:33AM

have no fear.

Billy Sherman| 3.17.10 @ 1:41PM

Bring back the generally unheard fourth stanza of the Battle Hymn of the Republic-

I have read a fiery Gospel writ in burnished rows of steel
As you with my contemers so with you my Grace shall deal
Let the hero born of woman crush the serpent with his heel
His day is marching on....

NYC John| 3.17.10 @ 2:07PM

You're not alone - I think a lot of us are inches from revolt.

Just needs a flashpoint, and it doesn't need to be violent. A few million marching on Washington could do it.

Nancy| 3.17.10 @ 3:02PM

Then join us on April 15th in Washington. The Tea Party Express will be there, and we need millions this time to join us. Maybe then, instead of more ridicule from the White House, they'll understand that we're serious about taking back our country. Visit www.TeaPartyExpress.org for details.

darcy| 3.17.10 @ 4:38PM

20 million, marching shoulder to shoulder, organized, solemn, determined, unyielding, fierce in our resolve. I will be there, as I was on 9/12, with family in tow -- and representing dozens I know who won't be able to make it.

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 5:33PM

"It was 52 weeks ago that Glenn stood in front of the Fox News cameras to announce the 9/12 Project. " - the912project.com

"I don't watch GB" - darcy

Oh how the feeble minded are so easily led astray

Nick| 3.17.10 @ 5:39PM

Mr. Richels,

Physician, heal thyself.

elainej| 3.17.10 @ 8:17AM

AMEN!!!

JimH| 3.17.10 @ 8:22AM

My fear is that when it comes down to it, what will the military follow? Their chain of command to the President or their oath to uphold the Constitution. The behavior of the BATF and other para-military components of the government to date does not bode well. I can only hope the military has better people.

Fred| 3.17.10 @ 1:25PM

The First American Revolution started as a tax revolt. The Second American Revolution should start out the same way. On April 15, don't file. If you make estimated payments, send the IRS an empty envelope.

JDubya| 3.17.10 @ 2:16PM

I've talked with members of the military and police forces. They've all agreed that they would not shoot at Americans, even if ordered to do so. That doesn't mean the President couldn't declare a national emergency using the Executive Orders function and deploy the National Guard to handle an insurrection. He wouldn't send the Arizona National Guard into Arizona though. He'd send it to Georgia or some other state. That way, the Guard wouldn't feel bad about locking up their friends and neighbors.

The Economist Intelligence Unit released its 2009-2010 Political Instability Index, surveying 165 countries. The US was ranked as having a "moderate" risk of instability. That puts us in the same ranking as Brazil, China, Libya and Ethiopia. We are becoming increasingly prone to a breakout of social chaos.

Such fun!

Al| 3.17.10 @ 3:11PM

The problem is not just this health care bill and what is soon to follow (cap and trade, immigration, control of airways with control of talk radio and/or internet.) Everyone says "wait til Nov. --- we will vote you out. What if there is already a plan to control the election process so they can't be voted out or so the vote can be controlled or manipulated (think ACORN) with false voter registration and votes. I know you "union" people love your union, however, sit back and open your eyes to how the "UNION" is helping this marxist process along (SEIU). We have more to fear than just this health care fiasco.

When push comes to shove. How many are really going to be willing to truly fight for our freedom and liberty. The fear the American public is just too lazy and self indulgant to end up caring.

martin j smith| 3.17.10 @ 7:57AM

Yes this is what all the coming legislation beyond and addition to health care is about--state control. And, the diminishing role of the citizen voter. This point is the most significant beyond any one issue of legislation such as health care. It is about the whole caboola. In the end it will be the Democrat Party that wins if this stuff is passed and we citizens are nothing. Any other political party will be irrelevant. That is what this means to me.

The Bishop| 3.17.10 @ 8:02AM

This Yugo got put into the Oval Office almost immediately off the assembly line. There was no test driving, yet we had a pretty good idea of the performance we could expect. (I really think I should apologize to Yugo for desecrating it's memory by using it in the analogy.)

John Galt| 3.17.10 @ 2:09PM

The people could have easily discovered what kind of man Obama was. He made it no secret. Americans have lost their "steel" and just want to be coddled now. We are a bunch of simpering wimps who are getting the government we deserve.

E. Eaton| 3.17.10 @ 2:57PM

Right -- unfortunately we are getting what we deserve (although I knew enough not to vote for him because I thought he was "just words," just a personality, no one of any substance.

Jim O'Brien| 3.17.10 @ 8:05AM

If the Democrats are allowed to "pass" legislation without our so-called representatives voting on it, then the Constitution and the rule of law will mean nothing. Our republic will have been replaced by tyranny and dictatorship. Our rights will be destroyed. We will have taxation without representation.

"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary ..."

Fred| 3.17.10 @ 1:27PM

The First American Revolution started as a tax revolt. The Second American Revolution should start out the same way. On April 15, don't file. If you make estimated payments, send the IRS an empty envelope.

John3| 3.17.10 @ 9:17AM

During the evening when Mr. Brown was elected Senator, I said, American Democracy has a chance. With this garbage coming out of Washington, I don't think we have a chance if Ms. Pelosi and Ms. Slaughter ram this thing like this----very very unAmerican, unDemocratic. They might as well change the name of this country and close the borders like the old USSR

Nick| 3.17.10 @ 9:29AM

John3,

One correction.
We are a Republic, not a democracy.

old white guy| 3.17.10 @ 9:36AM

a democratic republic.

Nick| 3.17.10 @ 9:50AM

No, a representative Republic.

Ken (Old Texican)| 3.17.10 @ 9:22AM

Folks,
Early in my career, I was a salesmun, (smile) with New York Life. In a meeting one day, my boss made the remark:
"If you guys put in the productive hours each day that a medical doctor puts in, you will make a lot more money than the doctor."
Huh?
He was right though, plus we had a five year head start on our peers that were going to be a doctor...five years of training later.

Stop and look at one single consequence of this mess. Who in their right mind would consider medical school?

I said it yesterday. "Affirmative action surgeons" on an 8 to 5 clock. Gulp!

In case youall don't know, there are more paper pushers in a doctor's office today than there are medically trained people. Wow, talk about extra costs! ...and most of those costs are due to the gubmint stumbling around trying to stop "waste, fraud, and corruption". Duh.

JDubya| 3.17.10 @ 2:19PM

Hey! Another New York Life salesman! I was actually a Trainer for them for a number of years. I wasn't a very good salesman, but I could sure teach good salesmen how to do it

25+ years later & now I'm working for Blue Cross. If this bill passes, maybe I need to go back to New York Life!

Franklin| 3.17.10 @ 9:13PM

Ken, I was one of those paper pushers in a doctor's office ". You are so right!

Then I worked at a mid level hospital in a medium sized city. Half of the billing staff was devoted to Medicare and Medicaid billing due to the government billing requirements. That was 25 years ago. Can't imagine what it is now.

tammy| 3.17.10 @ 9:28AM

Some people are calling me paranoid...but am I so wrong to think that if this Admin can and IS using any means to impose their will on US like dictators do, they could do the same for example by finishing presidential term limits or eliminating elections altogether? Some say that 11/2010 cant come soon enough to change the congress; I agree but not for the same reasons - I'm starting to get nervous about IF we will be able to HAVE elections!

barrgg| 3.17.10 @ 1:38PM

All you have to do is vote. The United States is a republic, not a pure democracy. We elect officials to make decisions, not to listen to polls for every issue. Vote Obama out of office next election. Vote your Congressman/woman out of office next election. There's no need to be scared. When Congress proposed ending term limits for the President, then we have a big problem.

blackwatch| 3.17.10 @ 9:50PM

Of course we could countermand Congress at anytime. there are only 100 Senators and there are millions of us.

barrgg| 3.18.10 @ 5:15PM

Whatever legal procedures you want to pursue is fine with me. :-)

Anthony| 3.17.10 @ 9:37AM

Yep, The Woodstock generation has finally proven, once and for all, how rotten they are to the core. The "Peace and Love" crowd have morphed into the fascist monsters they proclaimed to have "rebeled" against in the "wonderful" '60s.
This reminds me of a B rated movie I saw some 40 yrs ago, when hippies take over Congress by spiking the water with LSD, and having "tripping" senators vote for all sorts of lefty legislation. Wow! fiction becomes reality.
They've also proven that their indulgent bourgeois parents should have given them a hard kick in the ass long ago.
Oh well, as Stephanie has suggested, there's no time like the present, however, we're well beyond just kicks in the ass. It's time for our own reality show.

MikeD| 3.17.10 @ 11:20AM

This is what we get with an "AFIRMATIVE ACTION PRESIDENT", which is exactly what Obama is. He was elected by moronic liberals; the truly stupid, and those who only 'take' from the government.

Two points: First, unless reid/pelosi/obama are insane, the only other situation that could cause them to act this way is if they know that there will be no elections to lose in November; or if they are already 'wired' so they can't lose. In that event, look for blood in the streets. Why has obama and his 'ilk' tried so hard to get rid of the Second Amendment?

Next point: Where is all the noise about making the congress and federal employees subject to the same thing these traitors are cramming down our throats? Has that been forgotten?

The media and academia have been the primary movers that have gotten us here. Just imagine how they'll react when they have succeeded in destroying the rule of law. Hiding behind their lawyers won't help them a bit. Higher calibre projectiles can penetrate two bodies as easily as one. Be very afraid for our country. Being old and handicapped puts me right in the crosshairs of the 'death panels'. Has anybody wondered just how much money and assets obama and his fellow democrat thieves will get when they steal our retirement accounts and kill us off with their healthcare plan???

barrgg| 3.17.10 @ 2:01PM

I understand you're emotional about this issue, but don't make assumptions about so many things.

I voted for Obama. I haven't taken anything from the government. I've never been unemployed, I've never been late on my taxes, I never used Federal funding for college student aid (and I come from a blue collar family that had no money to send their children to college). I've definitely contributed WAY more than I've ever received (which is ZERO if you don't include public school).

Obama hasn't tried to get rid of the 2nd amendment. There are wacko liberals who have tried, but that's not going to happen. I'm a liberal (but independent) card-carrying liberal NRA member. Your attitude means that no liberal would ever want to be around you, so you probably don't know many personally (if any). Understand that there are plenty of us liberals who carry guns. There's not a chance in hell that the 2nd amendment could be repealed. It'd be conservatives AND liberals with guns together against the establishment if that ever happened (and if you're "old and handicapped" I've got a piece with low recoil you can borrow), so don't worry there.

Regarding making the congress and federal employees subject to the same thing these "traitors" are cramming down our throats: Conservatives and moderate Democrats didn't want a public insurance option or single payer system because supposedly that is government takeover (althouth you conservatives are still screaming government takeover even without a public option or single payer system). So now you want a public option? Great, I'd love to see that in the bill. The bill sucks, to be honest, without one.

You've been duped by Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, and the rest of the radical right regarding "death panels." Read a non-partisan source like FactCheck.org for the real answer: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/.....h-panels/. FactCheck puts everyone in their place when they make false statements, including Obama.

Jim Richels| 3.17.10 @ 5:03PM

well put, barrgg

Quartermaster| 3.17.10 @ 5:59PM

"Factcheck" needs to be fact checked. It is simply a leftists shill site that spews propaganda. The "Death panels" have already been shown to be realistic because of what they will consider. fact Check has long been discredited, except in the minds of the left.

Sorry about your luck here, but you two need to get a serious handle on reality and get out of the leftist fever swamp.

Anyone that thinks the left has forgotten about taking weapons from the general populace needs to be placed in a rubber lined room for their own protection.

barrgg| 3.18.10 @ 5:12PM

Ok Quartermaster since you have the answers, why don't you give me your sources? Because one thing that Factcheck does for EVERY article is provide their sources. Only the right-wing nutjobs believe that FactCheck is a "leftist shill site." But go ahead and provide your sources of information, and I will be ecstatic to check them out. I dare you to "educate" me.

Blackwatch| 3.17.10 @ 10:16PM

hey that's my line! but in this case hey faulty logic barrggg.

demanding that congress follow the rules that they dictate to us does not equate into a public option. sorry but I only have a government school education so I dont know the latin phrase--but some nice well educated person will jump in here I am sure.

no, what we mean by making congress have the same medical insurance as the rest of us is that
1. when they leave office due to losing an election they loose their Congressional Health Care. Just like I did when my employer fired me 10 years ago. They get their own policy or their new employer pays the bill.
2. when they need an appointment with a doctor they get in line with the rest of us schlubs too.
3. they don't get a special deal for life. they get medicare when they turn 59 (or whatever the age is--sorry I'm not there yet) and leave the Congressional Health Care system.

Or better yet if Congress had to buy their own policy from the ones available in their own district with their own money with NO Chris Dodd sweatheart deal we would be less pissed off about this whole mess.

They make $175,000 annually for a back bencher. Run a commitee or be the Speaker and you get a bigger check. Let's eliminate the Congressional Health Care system now and forever.

barrgg| 3.18.10 @ 5:20PM

I think that's a fabulous idea. Unfortunately, I think that's one idea that Congress would unite around and shoot down immediately.

JimE| 3.17.10 @ 6:24PM

Ah yes, "the moderate troll scam: nice try clown".

barrgg| 3.18.10 @ 5:08PM

I would be happy to provide my voting record in the last election, JimE old buddy. You'll find a net difference of exactly 1 between the number of Democrats I voted for and the number of Republican I voted for.

In response to you, I'll say "the idiot troll scam: nice try clown."

barrgg| 3.18.10 @ 5:19PM

And I might add that your type of response is EXACTLY why I'll never be one of you regardless of any conservative tendencies I might have on specific policies such as 2nd amendment rights, immigration reform (specifically border fences), business tax cuts, etc. Keep pushing moderates away and you'll never have a majority.

Petronius| 3.17.10 @ 6:36PM

Rahm Emanual's brother is going to run the new health benefits administration. And he has bragged publicly of having the power of life and death by deciding who gets cared for and how. He is one of the authors of this bill. Former Sec. of Labor, Robt. Reich echoed their intentions in a speech when this issue was raised concerning the elderly who are no longer paying income taxes, "WE are going to let You die."
Rush played that soundbite in context more than once. This National Health Security Act is unConstitutional in all aspects and a direct affront to Our Liberty.

Dan Hirsch| 3.17.10 @ 9:45AM

Hey, let's quit using the word "spin" when we really mean "LIES."

The President is not slanting or tweaking the truth when says things like, "If you like your coverage, you'll get to keep it." He's LYING!

Joe Wilson was right.

Brevity; the sole o' wit.

walliat| 3.17.10 @ 9:56AM

For all those who voted for Obama and now see him for what he is, in the famous words of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, your " chickens are coming home to roost".

salley| 3.17.10 @ 5:05PM

I voted for obama and after reading what all of you are writing, I hope he takes away your healthcare and then all your rural, climate change denying, racisit old farts can die off and we can actually get past this silliness and start changing the world for the better

darcy| 3.17.10 @ 6:19PM

Ah, salley, the sweet smell of Leftist compassion; how lovely of you to share it with us.

Christopher Holland| 3.17.10 @ 10:02PM

How can I deny that climate change is happening when climate change is not in fact happening? Who is the one here who believes in junk science and crackpot theories?

LarryT| 3.17.10 @ 10:16AM

Don't forget that along with the "flower people" there remains another small group called Viet Nam veterans. They could be a major factor in times to come, as I do not expect them to take this very well. They will not let their opposites ruin their country this time.

CyKick| 3.17.10 @ 10:26AM

>>
Do you realize that our founders FOUGHT a revolution for LESS tyranny than we endure now ?!?!

Peter| 3.17.10 @ 10:29AM

This Administration and Congress have definitely shown themselves to be Hugo Chavez Democrats, and like him they will likely succeed in imposing their will and leaving the opposition to lick their wounds. If the HC bill is "deemed" and signed into law, as seems increasingly to be the case, they will then move on financial markets reform, cap and tax, education and any other big initiative using the same tactics. While the GOP may become the majority party in the House come November, possibly even in the Senate, the reality is that these policies, once implemented, will be extremely difficult to reverse. Once implemented there will exist a large, ready-made constiuency that will oppose and reversal of them and that will mean loyalty to Democrats. Even with a GOP majority in Congress it will be hard to try reversing any of this until 2012 if Obama can be defeated because before then he'll veto any legislation that tries to do so and it will be difficult to override his vetos.

We're screwed, folks!

John Navratil| 3.17.10 @ 10:42AM

Not if we can effect a delay in implementation through Constitutional challenges. The states are making 10th amendment challenges already. If (I hope not when) this passes we will need to man the barricades to keep it from being implemented.

The revolution has already begun. These are the opening skirmishes and this is just the next battle.

Ken (Old Texican)| 3.17.10 @ 10:45AM

I repeat.....

They can pass it.

We won't obey it.

They will have torn up our contract with our government.
(The Declaration, and the constitution.)
Screw 'em.

Steve| 3.17.10 @ 2:52PM

Thank you Ken. You are echoing the same thing I've been saying for a month now, ever since I saw just how desperate these gangsters were to pass this obscenity. If it passes I will NOT obey it. I refuse to obey an unjust and unconstitutional law. An unjust law is no law at all and this bill is opposed by the majority of the country which makes it unjust. I will not obey it. Period.

Quartermaster| 3.17.10 @ 6:01PM

A leftist saint, Martin Luther King, said exactly the same thing in his "Letter From A Birmingham Jail." The left does not like being faced with the words of their own "Saints."

usagoingbroke| 3.17.10 @ 10:45AM

I too fear for what is ahead for the next generations of Americans. Americans must use non-violent protests and voting as the first means of "rebellion" against the ever expanding government. Our constitutional freedoms are more at risk now than ever in our country's history. Some think this is silly to even consider; I say those that aren't worried are sleeping at the wheel. The progressive ideology is playing out right in front of our very eyes and it needs to be stopped. NEVER underestimate the American drive for freedom and liberty. If non-violent protests and voting doesn't undue what is happening in our government, we really only have one other choice if we are to return to the ideals of the founding fathers and the counstitution. The people will have no choise but to rebel, or live under submission of government tyranny.

Black Saint| 3.17.10 @ 10:49AM

Obama is what you get when you cross a White communist HO with a Muslin Goat Herder and surround him with Marxist, Black power Muslims, Terrorist, Communist organizers and Criminals then let him serve in the most corrupt city within the Nations most corrupt State!

Kelso| 3.17.10 @ 12:06PM

A 2010 Democrat is what you get when you cross-breed a skunk and a rattlesnake

JohnR22| 3.17.10 @ 10:49AM

The larger sin of the Left here is to even further erode the public's confidence in govt. I've always had the feeling that law, legislation, and the constitution were just "paper" to the pols; and that they would often use tricks and technicalities to do whatever they felt like. This "reconciliation" and "deem" are just two more examples. It doesn't matter one whit if they're technically legal...the problem is that the public PERCEIVES them to be trickery. And thus, our already miserable opinion of govt sinks to new lows.

Heatpacker| 3.17.10 @ 10:53AM

What a huge surprise! The people who are ga-ga for Castro and Chavez, who regularly extoll the virtues of a one-party system and a command-and-control economy, are actually anti-democratic. Wow! Isn't this the way the left has always behaved? Give the left a little bit of power? You might as well give a psychopath the keys to your car, a bottle of cheap vodka, and loaded shotgun.

Pete| 3.17.10 @ 11:22AM

Speaking of loaded shotguns, let me just express my heartfelt thanks to the founding fathers for their prescience. In the end, the fatal mistake these totalitarian criminals have made is one of timing. This kind of power grab could only work after the people have been disarmed. Watch for another spike in ammo sales if they ram this through. It only makes sense to be prepared for what is coming.

Independent Vet| 3.17.10 @ 12:34PM

AMEN Brother! - I often think Obama and his gang of thugs take their cues from various episodes of Martin Sheen in The West Wing. "We don't have to control the guns. We have to control the ammo." Just watch for this to happen in the next few months!

MAJ Mike| 3.17.10 @ 2:02PM

Won't take a lot of ammunition, just use your enemy as your supply seargant. If you have one gun, use it to get more.

Meanwhile, I practice headshots.

Ret. Marine| 3.18.10 @ 6:02AM

a man after my thinking. As an old devil dog, I believe in confidence and one shot one kill mentality, nothing like brain matter to remind one of how fragile their lives are, and how quickly it's over.
Take no prisoners, hold no quarters and the problem is solved for eternity. Only then will God decide who worth their salt and who's fire kindling.

Ken (Old Texican)| 3.17.10 @ 1:55PM

Pete,
Shotguns are good for defense. 30 caliber rifles can reach out and say "hello-goodnight" a half mile away.
Folks, we truly do not need a LOT of ammo. There are less than a hundred powerful "communists" in this country. Their followers are cowards and sheep.

JProse| 3.17.10 @ 11:28AM

Anthony, you are dead on. The hippie chickens are coming home to roost. Whatever happened to "Question Authority"? I guess that mantra is obsolete when the Haight Ashbury crowd is in power. As Dennis Prager points out, Leftism is a religion. This is beyond social issues or political views or votes or process or anything reasonable. It is a holy war for these people. Trying to convince them not to impose their socialist ideas on the American republic is like stopping a suicide bomber on the way into a building and trying to convince him not to do it. Just like any other religious extremist believes, forcing their will on us is the reason they are on Earth and nothing else matters. The beliefs are so extreme and so deeply held that they are utterly hell bent on imposing them on us and willing to die trying. It makes no difference to them if November is a bloodbath. This could destroy the Democratic party for a generation and that also doesn't matter. They figure that political damage is temporary, but a nanny state is forever. And make no mistake, when this starts eroding the economy in a few years, they will try to blame the Republicans.

JustBeingLogical| 3.17.10 @ 11:30AM

I see no problem passing the bill using Slaughter's proposal to just "deem" the bill as passed ...
... because then, next January, after the Republicans take control, the Democrats dare not say a word when the GOP uses the SAME RULE to deem that the bill is now REPEALED!

shoey| 3.17.10 @ 12:12PM

the screeching harpies in the Media would never ever, ever allow that to happen, if the Repubs were to try they would pre-empt all TV programs and go on a 24/7 media jihad against the GOP.
don't delude yourself into thinking that our side can get away with anything close to what their side can, this is not a fair fight, we have to play by ALL the rules, they are not held to any.

Matt Morehouse| 3.17.10 @ 11:36AM

How dumb do they think we are? "Deem" will become the warcry of the opposition and and will certainly add strokes to the hammer that drives the stake through their black hearts.

Kremlin Krugman| 3.17.10 @ 11:46AM

Maybe now that we're in the valley of darkness there's actually a reason to look on the bright side. The so-called Blue dogs are going to burn on the pyre whether the ruse of "deemed passed" is used or not. They are dead men walking either way. No need to fuss over them.

The beauty of this particular liberal kamikaze mission is that maybe it will immolate the faux moderate enablers from swing districts---Ike Skelton of central MO is a prime example, who by his seniority, homesteader/brickhugger/lifer status in the Dem party always gets a pass on the Pelosi/Waxman/Frank type fellow-traveler votes. He is absolutely one of them---make no mistake--- but him and his ilk always, always, always get a pass from the speaker when she counts the votes.

Maybe the benighted rubes that keep returning his sorry tuckus back to DC every two years will realize they've been had, because he no longer has the phony excuse that he "opposed" it. If the Dem-controlled house deems it passed, that means you too, ol' homespun common-sense Ike from the Show-Me state...

Just looking for silver linings...

Missouri voters:

SKELTON EQUALS PELOSI
CARNAHAN EQUALS COAKLEY

Light up the Leftists 2010

Jack Davis| 3.17.10 @ 11:51AM

(((Borrowing from Harry Truman)))

If the Dems strong-arm Obamacare through, they may expect a rain of ruin the like of which never has been seen in American politics.

Bruce| 3.17.10 @ 11:53AM

While they're at it, why don't they incorporate the following language into the "rule":
"Adoption of this rule hereby deems the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution to be repealed."
What would be wrong with that?
Seriously, any congressman that was troubled by voting for the Senate bill, ought to be more troubled by voting for this fraud of the legislative process.

elephant4life| 3.17.10 @ 8:42PM

Fortunately, it takes 75% of the States agreeing to amend the Constitution, so they couldn't sneak that one in.

davelnaf| 3.17.10 @ 11:57AM

Dems likely to vote for Obamacare are counting on Republicans later voting it out of existence in the hope that voters, the ones required to pay higher taxes to fund it, will not be energized later to express their anger at the ballot box. If it is repealed they are also counting on enough low income voters becoming so angry that their entitlement was taken away that they will become energized to take it out on the Republicans. The more realistic scenario is that voters in the former group will be so relieved that Washington did not get to socialize their healthcare, and thus create another fiscal monster that will later require even higher taxes, that they will make a special effort each general election to vote Republican.

RJ Richards| 3.17.10 @ 12:13PM

One of the biggest Demorcats against democracy is North Dakota's Earl Pomeroy. He has spent the last three months hiding from his constituents. He is one of Pelosi's top Lt's who has made it an art form of saying one thing in DC and another in North Dakota. It's time for change in North Dakota. It's time for Kevin Cramer.

darcy| 3.17.10 @ 4:50PM

I think it's time Pomeroy received the Rostenkowski treatment. Check it out. It worked before to repeal unpopular legislation.

And venal Ben Nelson got booed out of a Nebraska restaurant when he dared show his face in public. Make these criminals feel the heat; our heat must exceed whatever Pelosi O or Reid can deliver -- we're their bosses, not the evil trio.

As long as pols continue to give us the finger, they deserve chastisement, not respect.

Louis Jenkins| 3.17.10 @ 12:20PM

What I find amusing is the established old phart Democrats telling, demanding, that the Blue Dog Democrats fall on their swords for the party. Congratulations Blue Dogs! You have been relegated to Conservative Citizen (American Spectator reader) status. You don’t mean anything to the Democrat power brokers in the District of Criminals. “I won’t campaign for you if you don’t vote for ObamaCare,” the Pretender n Chief tells the Blue Dogs. The Blue Dogs should reply: “ Hey Bro OBA Fox, don’t throw me in that briar patch.” If the Pretender n Chief campaigns for anyone this year or 2012 it will be a death sentence.

If Pretender n Chief Pretend Health Care was so great there would be no controversy. The very HEAVENS would ring with praise and shouting for the plan from both sides of the aisle. Blue Dog Democrats would be trampling over each other to vote “yea.” And a white dove would descend from the sky and sit on the Pretender’s shoulder.

Houston Rao| 3.17.10 @ 12:22PM

The 'Deem'ocrats are showing their true colors.

They deem themselves as the ones 'we' have been waiting for; they will deem what is right for us and what our behavior ought to be.

The march to socialism grinds on slowly but surely, while the producing, saving and investing populace watches helplessly.

IRISH22| 3.17.10 @ 12:27PM

Both Democrats and Republicans agree: something must be done about health care. But, one of my philosophy professors used to say, "Always consider the opposite!" In this case it's what needs to be UNDONE that counts! Eliminate anti-trust exemptions and the Federal Ponzi scheme that is Medicare and all its variants. Remove the barriers to entry and allow unfettered competition. If insurance profits are as high as demogogues in Congress contend, maybe George Soros would be willing to fund a national company to kickstart the process. Give information to patients about doctors and other medical providers and let them choose! Why not Wal-Mart Care? Choice, value, freedom!

Tim| 3.17.10 @ 12:28PM

It is written in the article:

"This is not the administration Americans thought they were electing in 2008. Back then, Obama promised to unify the country. He promised to halt "business as usual" in Washington and bring everyone together to reach common ground. In fact, he said he would do on health care exactly the opposite of what he is doing now. "

I submit he has achieved these goals.

He has unified the country--in opposition to his goals.

"Business as usual" is not going on--this process is uniquely awful and without compare.

Common ground? See the comment above on unity.

Independent Vet| 3.17.10 @ 12:29PM

Obama has consistently told only ONE TRUTH - "My administration will be the most transparent in history." He's screwing the American people right in front of the entire world! How's that for transparency?

Veritas Paradigm| 3.17.10 @ 12:32PM

Congressman Stupak, when interviewed Monday, the 15th, near the end of the report, said that he was threatened that if he didn't vote for this healthcare plan, they might bring ETHICS CHARGES against him.

That is blackmail or extortion, absolutely outrageous. IF he has committed an ethics violation, charges should be brought regardless of his vote. Likewise, if he has done nothing serious enough to warrant charges, they should not be brought, regardless of his vote.

Somebody ought to be making a really big stink about this!

JProse| 3.17.10 @ 1:19PM

Yup, lies, cheating, threats, it's all part of the ball game. They want this more than life itself and will stop at nothing to get it. One of the many sad parts is that no matter how nasty it gets, Pelosi will be welcomed as a hero back in her San Fran commune. She could burn the whole country to the ground and her district would throw a parade for her on the ashes. What they have done and what they have the potential to still do makes this Congress the most destructive we have ever seen. I certainly hope the American voters have learned something from this. Maybe next time they won’t vote for a race hustling community organiziner for president and then go down their ballots quickly checking every name with a 'D' by it.

altster76| 3.17.10 @ 5:44PM

Excellent insight there JProse. It is high time that the voting contingent of the very San Fran district that keeps electing this twit from hell should be held accountable to the rest of the voters of the U.S. for what they have done. We will start there.

darcy| 3.17.10 @ 7:47PM

"We will start there." Now this has a nice ring to it.

I get to the Bay Area every now and then (family in East Bay). No trouble at all for me to attend mass rally against Pelosi and commune crazies.

Alky| 3.17.10 @ 1:03PM

I somehow don't believe there will be any elections in November :(

John Bibb| 3.17.10 @ 1:26PM

***
If there are no elections in November--of any year--it will be American Revolution II.
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Rocketman
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Justin| 3.17.10 @ 1:17PM

One year into the Obama Administration and I now understand what is meant by the term "liberal fascism." Mr. Kline is correct in stating that this is not what Americans wanted when they voted for Obama, i.e, a left wing, extremely liberal take over of the country. Health care bill or no health care bill, voters can exact their revenge and stop this slide into Democratic dictatorship by voting as many Dems out of office as possible in November. At least then there will be a balance of power in Washington and the Republicans/Independents can keep Obama in check until "We the People" throw him and his left wing cronies out of office - and good riddance too! I only hope the country will learn this lesson and never vote in another liberal to the highest office in the land.

altster76| 3.17.10 @ 5:51PM

I thought we had learned our "liberal" lesson after the debacle destruction that the Carter presidency wreaked on the country. My, my... but what short memories we seem to have. 30 years later we put another liberal in the white house and get the same results (maybe even worse). Lest the voters of this country NEVER be hoodwinked like this again, ever!! Our freedoms and our way of life cannot sustain any more damage from liberal politics. Remove them from government FOREVER!!

LancerVI| 3.17.10 @ 1:21PM

Hey! It's not only you "Old White Men". I'm a young (34), black conservative and I am on your side! I live in the People's Republic of Washington State where they just overturned the peoples initiative limiting their ability to raise taxes. They disregard our voice. If they continue to do so, it may become time to pick up the rifle! We're not there yet, but it may be time for me to move south, to Texas!

....my predicition is that, God forbid, it comes to secession, 60% of the military will hear the clarion call for the Bonnie Blue Flag!

MAJ Mike| 3.17.10 @ 2:11PM

Come on down and be welcome, my brother!!!!

Texas accepts you with open arms!!!!!

Retired Army| 3.17.10 @ 1:38PM

Sure am glad I have plenty of bullets and beans.

Oldefarte| 3.17.10 @ 1:39PM

As Rush just declared, we American TAXPAYERS should 'DEEM' that we've paid out income taxes instead of actually paying them. In the spirit of Tim and NY-Charlie [along with Barack, Nancy and Harry], just send in a BLANK FEDERAL TAX FORM 1040 [and a UNSIGNED CHECK on 4/15/10 ] and write upon same, I HEREBY """"DEEM""" TO HAVE PAID MY INCOME TAXES FOR 2009. These people running our government are nothing but CROOKS and any/all of them should be IMPEACHED if at all possible for the corruption that they are performing!!!!!!

hikingguy| 3.17.10 @ 1:41PM

If y'all are actually going to fight Civil War II, it would be wise not to alienate potential allies. There are former hippies who have morphed into libertarians. They still enjoy the occasional toke, but they will pass it by when it's time to go to the range and work on proficiency. They home-school their kids because they despise and distrust The Man. They quit voting awhile back, once they realized that the Left/Right paradigm was just another way of keeping the rubes divided. They are natural allies for any movement seeking a return to Constitutional principles of limited government.
Please, stop this ancient culture war BS, and let us, for once, concentrate on the real enemy, which I think that most of us on this board agree is the ever-increasing power of the Federal government. Let's stop firing at each other, and face, instead, what needs to be done if liberty is to make a comeback in the US.
I am fifty six, involuntarily unemployed, love Grateful Dead and own weapons. More than anything, I want government to leave me and you and my kids and grandkids alone. There are millions of folks like me, and we want to be on your side.
How about it? Allies?

Oldsmog| 3.17.10 @ 5:58PM

Well said. Lets rock and roll!

Quartermaster| 3.17.10 @ 6:08PM

hikingguy, it seems you are an ex-Hippie. There are many hippies that never became ex-Hippies, they are still are Hippies and hold the same political nonsense as truth when they were undermining the efforts in Vietnam and around the world.

I wouldn't worry about what has been said above you. they weren't talking about you, or others like you.

See you at the range.

ATLmedia| 3.17.10 @ 1:53PM

Oddly enough this is what i expected when i voted for Obama. After the merde storm that was the W years,he's set the country moving towards responsibility on economic, environmmental, & international relation fronts. Healthcare has to be done, the rest of the world has it right -ie they don't spend 1/2 what we do & have better outcomes- so this Prez is dragging the nay sayers along as he was elected to do. Far from perfect, but FAR FAR from the nightmare of neglect we just lived thru.

Ken (Old Texican)| 3.17.10 @ 2:05PM

Altmedia,
You have not figured it out yet?

OK, I will 'splain it to you one last time.

YOU LOSERS HAVE LOST..........EVERYTHING!
(We bill-payors have just stopped financing your stupidity.)
Please...don't get sick, or employed, or old.
We will laugh at you.

barrgg| 3.17.10 @ 4:16PM

You bill-payers? As compared to whom? My credit score is 740, I have extremely high-quality company-provided insurance, and I probably pay more in taxes than you. You Republican-loving morons like to pretend you pay for Democrats. No one's paid anything for me, but I guarantee I've paid for plenty of no job losers regardless of political affiliation.

Quartermaster| 3.17.10 @ 6:13PM

barrgg, if you ain't drawing a FedGov paycheck, why are you squealing like a stuck pig? OTH, Morons like Pelosi and Dingy are suck off all of us, including you. You may not mind having your, and your grandchildren's, liberty sucked out, but some of us do, and we are as mad at the Reps as we are the Marxists in the party you love and cherish.

We aren't as lug headed as you. We see what's coming, and your paycheck, if you even have one, will be far smaller than now because the FedGov is going to have to suck us all dry to pay for the monstrosity the Marxists in the White House and Congress are trying to shove down our throats.

Time to grow up buddy. Leftism is a losing game, except for the so called elites who suck off everyone else.

JimE| 3.17.10 @ 6:28PM

The moderate troll is now angry, watch out.

Brenda Bristol| 3.18.10 @ 1:34AM

I seriously doubt this, barrgg '740'.

John Navratil| 3.17.10 @ 3:07PM

When food, clothing and housing takes less and less compared to times past, what is there to spend money on other than health and entertainment?

What will you spend the money you THINK you will save with the bill on? Beer, Cigs, Aston Martins? What is the correct amount to pay for doctor visits and prescriptions?

This "nightmare or neglect" has given us longer and better lives. And don't try to compare lifespans without correcting for murder and accidental deaths which, however tragic, are not part of health care.

darcy| 3.17.10 @ 6:49PM

** Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions ** Daniel Webster

Er, " . . . the rest of the world has it right"? That's a good one, "nightmare of neglect." You mean like Medicare, which serves the elderly and now has a $38 Trillion unfunded liability, the debt of which is foisted on people who didn't vote for it, children, for example, born today owing $40,000??

Don't give me your bullcrap about nightmare of neglect when your remedy involves making slaves OF MY GRANDCHILDREN. jstfu!!!!!!!!!!

dirkdiggler| 3.17.10 @ 2:14PM

Ah yea, the thing is that these bills were voted on already and passed the senate and house. Now they are voting on additional amendments to these bills that have already gone through the voting process. There's nothing new under the sun here folks. The Republicans know that better than anybody as they have used every trick in the book to get their bills passed while they held majority. We let Bush start a horrible war right under our noses and did nothing about it: no teabagger parties, no protests in the street, no calling him a dictator. Now the new Prez wants to give us all healthcare at affordable rates with none of this pre-condition nonsense and suddenly he is labeled a communist dictator?? Makes sense to me. Not!

Nick| 3.17.10 @ 2:48PM

It makes no sense to you, because you have no common sense.

James Madison| 3.17.10 @ 3:02PM

You may want to check your facts about how the process is supposed to work and what has happened. Each chamber passed their own bill, but neither bill can become law unless the other chamber votes it through as well. The Senate passed their bill and it is unconstitutional for that to become law without the House voting on it. The fact that this could become law without the House having the courage to vote on it is why there are protests. It doesn’t matter if it has been done before. It was unconstitutional then too and it should have been protested. If you’ve seen this before, the liberals like yourself should have been rioting in the streets over it. If you didn’t protest then, that’s your problem. I don’t support anyone doing it. There were no protests in the streets when Bush took us to war because he laid out the plan and it had bipartisan support. His plan received 297 yes votes in the House and 77 in the Senate. This turd of a bill couldn’t even remotely approach either of those numbers. You may not like it, but it was passed by a large majority on both sides of the aisle and it was done in the open with no special tricks involved. And as far as Bush not being called a dictator, check your facts on that too. He was called that and much worse nearly every single day he was in office. Liberals and the MSM heaped more abuse and vitriol on Bush than any other president in modern history. Have you heard of Michael Moore? And if you think your rates will improve and you’ll be able to get insurance with no strings attached because of this, you have simply accepted the spoon-fed talking points of the left without any question whatsoever. It’s just this sort of “its-no-big-deal-just-pass-it-besides-bush-was-a-lot-worse” mentality that got us into this whole mess to start with.

JimE| 3.17.10 @ 6:29PM

Doesn't take much to impress a useful idiot.

Michael Postlethwait| 3.17.10 @ 2:16PM

The fact that most people are missing is simply this: with the takeover of much of the auto and banking industry already a reality, if healthcare passes it gives the government a controlling interest in the US economy. This means that the passage of this law will forever change the fundamental relationship that exists between the people and their elected officials. Any discussion or goal of limited government will merely be theoretical from here on out. The only difference between the political parties will ultimately be whether we have conservative bureaucrats ( called Republicans) or liberal ones (called Democrats). Elections will simply decide who sits on the government's Board of Directors, but when all is said and done, the government will ultimately control the company known as the US economy from the top down. In the end, this will mean that our elected representatives who have much less to fear when it comes to what the people think. It will mean that our vote at the ballot box will mean much less than it does right now. After all, they will have most of the chips when it comes to the game of leverage that is politics. This is why Obama is willing to risk the political fortunes of his party in the short-term so that they can have control in the long term.

Cal Mark| 3.17.10 @ 2:52PM

Ah, yes, the "We are doomed!" argument.

Amazing, how many so-called conservatives are willing just to concede to the radicals.

Now, I don't know how old Mr. Postlethwait is. But his attitude is why the country is in such sad shape: the same generation that produced Pelosi, Reid, et al., produced namby-pamby "conservatives" that just tug their forelock for "settled law."

Remember: Ronald Reagan was from the WWII generation. George W. Bush was a Baby Boomer, like Pelosi and Reid. 'Nuff said.

valwayne| 3.17.10 @ 3:05PM

The idea of imposing a massive, corrupt, monstrous bill like the healthcare bill without actual voting on it is a violation of the very concept of Democracy. If the Arrogant Elites of our nation can begin to impose massive legislation on the nation without even voting on it than we are very far down the road to tyranny, and Democracy and Freedom in our nation are in terrible danger. Where in the campaign did Obama explain to us that new politics was really the road to tyanny. A lot of the worlds Dictators and Totalitarian Regimes at least go through the process of having rubber stamped legislators vote. Are the Democrats in the United States Congress really going to impose legislation without voting on it? Is our freedom really in that much danger?

darcy| 3.17.10 @ 6:39PM

"Hope and Change: The Road to Tyranny."

E.Eaton| 3.17.10 @ 3:06PM

Vote out the incumbents who have done what Pelosi/Reid/Obama have told them to do -- although it seems that Obama lets Pelosi and Reid do his dirty work (and his bill writing).

Lu Dumak| 3.17.10 @ 3:51PM

The Militar takes an oath to the Constitution, not the President. In fact it is their duty to refuse an unconstitutional law. Look up the Oath Keepers.

MTB| 3.17.10 @ 3:51PM

Can we, the American people "DEEM" the democrats to be voted out of office? Can we the American people "DEEM" the last presidential election null and void and have a "do-over"? Just what can we DEEM if we want to? The Dems in the house are making a very risky move. Make sure they know it come Nov.

MTB| 3.17.10 @ 3:53PM

Oh, yeah. These are also the same people who were screaming about every vote being counted. I guess it only applies when things are working against them. When it's in their favor, every vote does not have to be counted. They are all liars. VOTE THEM OUT!! Every one of them. If there's a democrat running for office, vote in a Republican or an independent. Do NOT put another democrat back in office. Send a message America that they will NEVER forget.

the rifleman| 3.17.10 @ 5:29PM

We shouldnt be so surprised. The demonrat party has been sliding farther left my entire life. JFK and LBJ were yourapeeon socialists, but at least not anti-american. McGovern, the first extreme leftist, is now considered an ENEMY of the unions because at age 93, he opposes card check. Ever since McGovern, its been nothing but a series of statist leftists in Demorat circles, whether Carter(the dumbest) Clinton(unchallenged on his lies) to Obamao(an out and out communist and moslem supremacist). Since statists never cede power willingly(remember Tianammen Square?), Im beginning to get the ugly feeling we may need to remove these folks like Pelosi(bolshevik b*tch) and Harry Greed(dolt) physically if necessary. And dont forget the real power behind the throne-the likes of scumtrash anti-american Soros, who needs a public lynching.

darcy| 3.17.10 @ 6:26PM

O to Bret Baier on FoxNews:
"We are saying we should have protections from insurance company abuses."

Patriots are saying we should have protections from government abuses.

darcy| 3.17.10 @ 6:36PM

"Idaho Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter on Wednesday became the first state chief executive to sign a measure requiring his attorney general to sue Congress if it passes health reforms that force residents to buy insurance. Similar legislation is pending in 37 other states nationwide."

Oh, those naughty states, thinking they can halt the assault on Americans' liberty.

Well, I think it's high time to spend my tourist dollars in Idaho. Voting with my pocketbook, don't ya know. Ketchum, Sun Valley, Coeur d'Alene, Sawtooth Mountain range, here I come.

Christopher Holland| 3.17.10 @ 9:57PM

Hey, are these the same guys who complained that George W Bush stole the 2000 election? Wow, some pot now calling out the kettle.

Albert Frevele| 3.17.10 @ 10:32PM

Time to face the truth. This bill will do nothing legally to the American People. This bill is flatly unconstitutional and WE the People are under absolutely no obligation to obey anything in it. Seizing control of the health insurance industry is NOT a power delegated to Congress in the Constitution. PERIOD!!! There is no discussion. There is no debate. Socialized health care is not constitutional. It does not matter than Nancy Pelosi wants to use illegal means to "pass" this bill through the House. It does not matter that President Bozo intends to sign it, no matter what it says. The bill itself is unconstitutional and a usurpation of power. Even if these liars in Congress "pass" it and even if President Bozo signs it, it is still NOT law and WE the People are under NO OBLIGATION WHATSOEVER to obey it. Time to tell Congress who is Boss. And it is NOT them! It is not necessary to wait till the November elections. Congress can not act illegally no matter the date. WE the People must REFUSE to cooperate. REFUSE to obey. REFUSE to acknowledge any legitimacy whatsoever to Nancy Pelosi and her illegal bill. The process is irrelevant. It is the PRODUCT that is illegal. Power is hierarchichal, and WE the People are the SUPREME power, not Congress, not Nancy Peolsi, and not government in any form. This bill is flatly illegal and WE the People need to tell Congress so in no uncertain terms.

dan| 3.17.10 @ 10:46PM

Why repeal? Should the House change hands in November, just remember the Constitution. All money bills originate in the House of Representatives, it is they who control the purse strings. Just don't fund the obvious.

Aron Khur| 3.18.10 @ 2:48AM

The youth just needs experience and guidance. Just like all of you when you were younger, the young follow what is fresh and flashy over what is substanced-based. At 22 years old, I realize the only reason why I'm conservative is because I was fortunate enough to obtain a degree in economics from Claremont McKenna College, the best liberal arts economics program in the country. Once the dramatic shortcomings of this president and his proposals come to fruition, the youth will come around and will be the greatest source for the backlash against what is happening. Don't give up on the young, they are distracted, not lost.

aron khur| 3.18.10 @ 2:53AM

Michael Postlethwait0 great post. i will lose sleep over it tonight.

fgh| 3.18.10 @ 11:02AM

animaldiversity2010,good job!

fh| 3.18.10 @ 11:03AM

biological i like your post!

bb| 3.18.10 @ 11:04AM

biological Tomorrow is another day!

tt| 3.18.10 @ 11:04AM

when is 2010 world cup?

explosion proof light| 11.4.10 @ 7:45AM

2010 world cup is not intense, but i am like the team of germeny so much.

D. Matthews| 3.18.10 @ 2:54PM

Tossing verbal Molotov cocktails back and forth does nothing to clarify any part of the "reform" debate, but only to heighten invective and slide into obscure side issues.

Mr. Obama, Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi have led the country into the morass of arcane Congressional procedure of doubtful Constitutionality, all in the name of granting our "right" to healthcare. It doesn't matter to them that "sef-executing" deem and pass do not meet the test of Article 1, Section 7, of the Constitution. As long as they "say" it does, then it must be so. That D and P has been used before does not constitute privileged precedent, nor does it validate the current argument. Under their logic, the Constitution can be altered or changed by Congressional language, thus rendering it an "organic" document, an argument long advanced by the progressive movement. To wit, the Constitution is a burden to be overcome by ambitious lawmakers' meretricious logic. What they fail to assess correctly is that a vote on "self-executing" has the net effect of passing a reform bill the majority of the country does not want. That willful act will have dire consequences for November candidates who try to hide and take cover for their cowardly vote.

The "right" to health insurance coverage is a disingenous ploy. Never in the history of the country has Congress declared something to be a right, the free exercise thereof to be predicated on the mandated purchase of a product, the cost of which will be set by the grantor through regulation. Further, failure to exercise this new-found right will require the alleged guilty to violate their fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination by declaring to the IRS they have no health insurance, the penalty for which will be an additional tax (penalty). There will be no exercise of Miranda rights or the right of habeas corpus. Simply guilt by forced admission.
Is this the scenario you want for your life for the rest of your life?

kfl;dk| 3.19.10 @ 2:07AM

The American Spectator :

MattZ| 3.18.10 @ 4:39PM

"That's an awfully peculiar step to take for a party that has spent the last few weeks clamoring about how democratic it would be to do away with the filibuster so we could at last have a simple majority vote on the health care bill in the Senate."

Be honest; you're just upset that the democrats are going to score a field goal with this health care bill, mediocre as it is.
MZ

Singleton| 3.19.10 @ 10:38AM

This fake foreign President, want to be emperor, intends to remove our weapons through a UN treaty and then give massive numbers of foreign imigrants voting rights and inforce his will with the armed Moslem militia he is trying to import from Sortheast Asia. If you think you are going to get a fair chance to elect who you want to this November, you better be ready for the political fight of our nation's life. He plans to control that vote through imigration and the alien vote. Moslems have been staging in Southeast Asia for US entry since 2008. Mostly from Indonesia and Somolia (and yes, I know Somolia is in Africa,. but they moved their militia to Asia for immigration to the USA in 2008.) I know, I have been there and talked to many in that militia as they were filling out US imigration papers.

Kick | 3.20.10 @ 3:02AM

Democrats against Democracy- sounds funny.

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Michele San Pietro| 3.21.10 @ 11:11AM

Yes, quite unfortunately Democrats are against democracy.

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basur| 10.27.10 @ 6:05AM

"If this thing is crammed down our throats, and shoved up our ass, there will be hell to pay. You can only push some people so far. Just ask the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building "

Explosiong Proof Flash Light| 11.2.10 @ 9:12AM

This is a better thing in the world--the democracy. and base on this: the freedom of speech, living environment will be better, etc. a lot of good thing will happen based on the Democracy, it's wonderful.

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