Under the Obama no-recovery, they will continue to deepen, and if
it's lucky the economy might even sputter. But who's to say its
luck can hold out?
(Page 2 of 2)
President Obama proposes as well to increase the capital
gains tax rate by 33% to start. But his health care takeover bill
would also extend the 2.9% Medicare payroll tax to capital gains,
for a total capital gains tax rate increase of 53%. The same 53%
rate increase would apply to corporate dividends, an income
source for many retirees.
Moreover, the President would restore the death tax at a
rate of 45%, another layer of taxation on capital income. He
would also slam business with another $425 billion in tax
increases, including the $90 billion bank tax, nearly $40 billion
on oil, gas and coal producers, $122 billion to essentially
double tax the foreign earnings of American companies, plus all
the tax increases on business in the health takeover bill. And we
have not even considered yet the cap and trade tax President
Obama also supports, which would involve another $1 trillion to
$2 trillion in increased taxes.
None of this is going to raise the revenue projected.
Increasing tax rates reduces incentives for productive activity
because producers are allowed to keep less of what they produce.
So they produce less, and the tax rate increase raises less
revenue than expected as a result. Double taxing the overseas
earnings of American companies will result in less overseas
earnings to tax, with some American companies transforming into
foreign companies as a result, taking their earnings with them.
Taxing businesses by $3,000 per uninsured worker will mean fewer
jobs, and lower worker earnings to tax.
The CBO and the Joint Tax Committee (JTC) on which it
relies for such revenue estimates take none of this into account
in their revenue projections, and those projections are often way
off as a result. For example, over the last 40 years every time
capital gains tax rates have been increased, revenue has fallen.
But CBO and JCT wrongly projected every time that revenue would
rise as a result.
Less revenue than expected means federal deficits and the
national debt will be even higher, which means interest payments
will be even higher, which will increase the deficits and debt
even more. Moreover, if interest rates on the national debt,
growing to $20 trillion to $25 trillion and more, rise by more
than the modest amounts CBO now projects, federal interest
expenses for that debt will soar further, which will raise
federal deficits and debt even more, in a Greek-like fiscal death
spiral.
Then there is the health care takeover fiasco. House
Republican Budget Chief Paul Ryan explains why under the true
cost of the health takeover legislation the federal deficit will
actually increase by $430 billion over 10 years, and $1.4
trillion over the 10 years after that. But there is something
else enormous that even he does not take into account.
The health bill includes costly government subsidies for
the purchase of health insurance by those who do not have
employer-provided coverage, for families earning up to $88,000
per year. CBO assumes that only 30 million workers will receive
these subsidies, with 162 million continuing to receive
employer-provided coverage, and so not eligible for the
subsidies. Employers who do not provide health insurance for
their employees will have to pay a tax of $3,000 per worker under
the currently pending Obama plan. But the average cost of
employer-provided family health insurance is over $10,000 per
year per worker. With premiums likely to rise substantially under
Obamacare, many employers can be expected to drop their coverage
and pay the $3,000 tax per worker instead. Those workers will
then become eligible for the health insurance subsidies. The cost
of Obamacare will soar as a result, and so will the deficits
under the program.
What Do You Think a Stimulus Is?
Last week, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid enlightened us
as to the February unemployment report. "Today is a big day in
America," he said. "Only 36,000 people lost their jobs today,
which is really good" (emphasis in original).
More than two years after the recession officially began --
in December, 2007 -- to still be losing jobs is not really
good. The average recession since World War II has been
10 months. The longest recession since World War II previously
was 16 months. It now has been 27 months since the latest
recession began.
The army of the officially unemployed is stuck at nearly 15
million Americans, with an unemployment rate of 9.7%. About 40%
of those -- 6.1 million -- are now long term unemployed, out of
work for 6 months or more. The unemployment rate for blacks is
15.8%, Hispanics 12.4%, and for teenagers, President Obama's
base, 25%, aided by the soaring minimum wage.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports, "The number
of persons working part-time for economic reasons (sometimes
referred to as involuntary part-time workers) increased from 8.3
million to 8.8 million in February, partially offsetting a large
decrease in the prior month. These individuals were working part
time because their hours had been cut back or because they were
unable to find a full-time job."
Another 2.5 million Americans "were marginally attached to
the labor force in February, an increase of 476,000 from a year
earlier," the BLS adds. "These individuals were not in the labor
force, wanted and were available for work, and had looked for a
job sometime in the prior 12 months."
Adding all of this together leaves a total underemployment
rate of 17.1%. That is not really good at any time, let alone 27
months after a recession began. But President Obama can't be
bothered with that. He is busy with health care, adding one last
crushing entitlement burden to the historic Democrat legacy, just
before we repeal it in the sweeping fundamental reform of all the
untouchable Democrat legacy entitlements in 2013. Obama's real
legacy will be cratering the braindead Democrat party, which
hasn't offered America a fundamentally new idea since the
1930s.
"What do you think a stimulus is?" President Obama laughed
at the Republicans who objected to his almost $1 trillion
stimulus bill last February, and the resulting soaring deficits.
Obama was operating under the throwback Keynesian economics of
the 1930s to 1970s, under which economic growth is stimulated by
increased government spending, deficits and welfare. It didn't
work in the 1930s, didn't work in the 1970s, and it hasn't worked
now. But Obama was so deeply lost in his 30-year-old time tunnel
that anything other than unreconstructed, retro, braindead
Keynesianism was a joke.
The completely overlooked truth is that the soaring
deficits that Obama says are Bush's fault are actually Obama's
official economic recovery policy, Keynesian deficit spending.
Nobody in the throwback, braindead, lamestream, Democrat talking
point media has been able to figure this out. As Sarah Palin
might say, "How is that retro Keynesian stuff working out for
ya?"
In 2008, America thought we were electing a modern,
forward-looking President advancing a new agenda of progress.
Instead we get the failed Keynesian economics and make-work
policies of the New Deal, and the stagnation economics of the
1970s. Instead of freeing us to go forward, he is desperate to
take us back, to the socialized medicine he is so certain we
should have had 75 years ago, to the union-run economy
far-sighted thinkers thought was in our future in the 1930s, to
the central planning bureaucracy that was the cutting edge dream
of the turn of the century progressives (that would be the turn
of the last century). It is all so retro.
Peter Ferrara is Senior Fellow at the Carleson Center for Public Policy, Director of Entitlement and Budget Policy for the Heartland Institute, and General Counsel of the American Civil Rights Union.He served in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Reagan, and as Associate Deputy Attorney General of the United States under the first President Bush. He is the author of America’s Ticking Bankruptcy Bomb, now available from HarperCollins.
That's why I call them "regressives" not "progressives." If
progress is going backwards, then they need help in understanding
words and directions. Save us, Obi Wan Kenobi, you're our only
hope!
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 3.10.10 @ 7:17AM
Yes, the CBO projections rely on some rather rosy outlooks,
including in the employment sector. Change any of those
underlying assumptions by just 1/10th of one percent and over ten
years those projections could be off by 400 billion. Change them
by 1% a year and you could be off by a trillion.
The underlying public enemy number one in all this spending is
inflation. Inflation is the way governments steal the wealth of
the public, create unsustainable business cycles and create
banking disasters. In fact that's precisely what you just
observed starting in 2007.
It's also how governments destroy individuals and individual
freedom, simply by destroying your individual wealth.
It's a sneaky tax that doesn't need legislation and it's been
used by governments over and over again.
martin j smith| 3.10.10 @ 7:52AM
This is the point that must be made with facts to back it up--BHO
is purposely trying to destroy our economy. Lookat his consistant
lying about "deficit neutrality,failure support real job
growth,emphasis on government control and takeovers,and mafia
style tactics such as the ballerino Rahm Emmanuel. And, I am not
referring to this Massa guy either.
Ret. Marine| 3.10.10 @ 8:01AM
and on the day the pitch forks come out in full anger mode, they
will still be wondering why and how their messiah just didn't get
it.
Yeah the smartest guys in the room, right.
Roger Erickson| 3.10.10 @ 8:09AM
I'm no fan of either party, nor of Rubin, Summers & Geithner.
However, well meaning, there are several places where the
arguments made here stem from basic misconceptions about post
gold-std monetary operations - and simply confuse things. Reality
is actually quite different from what's implied in this article.
Some orthogonal thinking is required, about operations, not about
what's liberal or conservative. There are 1000 ways to let an
economy decline, but only one optimal way forward, through
logical operations.
Yet one more reference. Readers here may consider this author as
a suspect liberal, yet he explains well the implications of a
conservative closing the gold window back in 1971. Personally, I
find economists to be incredibly isolated, but the politics of
left/right makes even that profession look organized!
ps: I'm for banning parties from crossing state lines, and
returning all politics to the local level. That alone would take
out the gang-related aspects of political fund raising. Right
now, it's not clear which is the greater enemy, Communists, or
"the other party". We're supposed to be making a more perfect
union, not tearing it apart.
martin j smith| 3.10.10 @ 11:01AM
CBO aside people are feeling the effects of Obam's economic
policies--they are his not GWB's. Andit isn't pretty. But against
it is time for someone of stature to say: wither you set policies
to expand the job market or you are PURPOSELY DESTROYING OUR
ECONOMY.
Semper Fi| 3.10.10 @ 1:07PM
Where is Bob? This stuff is rightup his alley.
Peter| 3.10.10 @ 1:44PM
"National debt held by the public would double in just 4 years,
from $5.8 trillion at the end of 2008 to $11.6 trillion at the
end of 2012. "
I just looked at
www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/re.....stdebt.htm and
the author has a very different view of the national debt than
the treasury department. They show the national debt 0n 9/30/08
as slightly over 10 trillion.
I just prepared a slide for my government class that showed
deficit/debt/GDP and both of the former as a proportion of GDP by
year. I also noted party holding White House, Majority in Senate,
and Majority in the House. Since 1980 none of the various
combinations of party control of those institutions has stemmed
the tide. No combination stands out as particularly more fiscally
prudent or less prudent than the others.
California70| 3.11.10 @ 12:01PM
Peter my dear, one must go further back than 1980!
Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 1:44PM
This is interesting. Over 1/2 of this year's deficit spending
comes from Bush programs and Bush mistakes. 89% of last years
spending came from Bush when you include stimulus spending that
everyone agrees was needed to recover from 8 years of "looking
the other way" brought on in no small part because Bush blocked
the feds from imposing new banking loan standards in 2005 and
2006 when they saw this crisis coming, and Bush's gutting of the
SEC that also "looked the other way" during the buildup to the
crisis, as ALL OF YOU KNOW.
What would've changed with a McCain Presidency? Would McCain have
doubled down on the banks any more than Obama has? Unlikely for
the lead member of the Keating 5. WOuld McCain have spent less on
the wars? Unlikely. Would McCain ignore the economic crisis and
not push a stimulus package of a similar size? Also extremely
unlikely. The article reeks of non sequitur style
thinking-nothing connects unless you live inside a dream.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 2:21PM
I'm just wondering..are you able to sleep at night without also
dreaming about GW Bush?
Poor dear you are so obsessed with looking backwards in order not
face the present and the reality of the destruction that this
President is doing to our country.
Are you just a Third partier type? Is that your point? Really,
just what IS the point of your constant and incessant BS?
Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 2:23PM
The only time I post BS is when I quote you, Marge.
We are where we are today because of the last administration.
People who forget history are destined to repeat it.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 2:56PM
I see, Toddard. Oops. I meant Jon B. So how come you never got
back to me with your "proof" about the over 80% of translations
from the Greek to English issue, hmm?
Can't answer my questions, above either, can you?
Who would your candidate of choice be? Let me guess. Ron Paul! Is
he the only "true conservative?"
Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 6:06PM
I did answer you
JimP| 3.10.10 @ 2:38PM
Another seminar commenter. So, where were the Dems when Bush was
gutting the SEC? Where were the Dems while everyone was allegedly
"looking the other way" on spending? Blocking Fannie and Freddie
reform and protesting the war in Iraq that the Dems voted for.
That's where. 89%? 89%!! Are you sure you want to stick with that
figure? Why not just go for 90% or heck, make it 100%. Let me see
Obama passed Stimulus Palooza $787B + the Omnibus spending bill
for FY '09 that was about $450B if I recall correctly. Then there
were the Detroit bailouts $30B for GM and I honestly forget how
much Chrysler got. So Barry spent over a trillion, minimum, but
that was only 11%. Therefore, Bush spent $10T (roughly) last
year? See, this is why Dems should not be allowed to do math.
Even elementary level math. Duh.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:01PM
Jon B. is a liar and obfuscates for a living.
JimP| 3.10.10 @ 5:08PM
Margie: LOL. I agree. Thanks for the smile.
Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 9:56PM
Ironically, you're lying now specifically to obfuscate the
issues. But then you probably think Bush's recession is Obama's
fault, at the same time you wouldn't give Reagan the same credit
for the 1982 recession, right?
And the one Bush handed to Obama is much worse. With the added
problem of ever increasing corporate control of policy and
debate, the $16 trillion back door bank bailouts are rarely, if
ever mentioned here.
Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 9:56PM
Ironically, you're lying now specifically to obfuscate the
issues. But then you probably think Bush's recession is Obama's
fault, at the same time you wouldn't give Reagan the same credit
for the 1982 recession, right?
And the one Bush handed to Obama is much worse. With the added
problem of ever increasing corporate control of policy and
debate, the $16 trillion back door bank bailouts are rarely, if
ever mentioned here.
blackwatch| 3.10.10 @ 10:31PM
either that or he does not have any sense. Look at his carping
about global warming. What a maroon!
Todd| 3.10.10 @ 4:25PM
You find the reference for your claim about Reagan giving $425
billion to the Soviets yet? You are a ignoramus
Todd| 3.10.10 @ 4:26PM
That was meant for the ignoramus that posts as Jon B.
Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 6:13PM
Reagan gave Russia $425 Billion, that's true. It was in the
National news WHEN it happened. I'll accept your apology when you
realize I';m telling the truth.
As for Marge, she acts like gutter slop 1/2 the time, and
somewhat calm at other times. Perhaps a disorder there?
You might recall that the SEC looked the other way when the bank
crisis happened, using Bush's flag bearing market based
philosophy. Are you so naive as to think that wasn't on purpose?
Did you miss out when Federal regulators saw the crisis coming,
recommended new laws, and the Bush administration along with
Republicans in Congress stalled, then gutted them?
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration backed off proposed
crackdowns on no-money-down, interest-only mortgages years before
the economy collapsed, buckling to pressure from some of the same
banks that have now failed. It ignored remarkably prescient
warnings that foretold the financial meltdown, according to an
Associated Press review of regulatory documents.
...The administration’s blind eye to the impending crisis is
emblematic of a philosophy that trusted market forces and
discounted the need for government intervention in the economy.
Its belief ironically has ushered in the most massive government
intervention since the 1930s.
A lot of you are will fully ignorant.
PS:That's not my fault.
JimE| 3.10.10 @ 7:08PM
Jon, nothing about the money LBJ or clinton wasted. Wrong the
past does not make it right now. You are a leftist useful idiot,
no more ,no less. Get a job and start paying taxes instead of
leeching of the government.
Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 8:04PM
LBJ, yeah, in Vietnam. He was quite the coward to not call out
McNamara after he learned the McNamara lied to him about the Gulf
of Token incident. Still, the National debt was just over $900
billion even after Nixon, Ford and Jimmy carter, but it was $4.5
trillion after 12 years of Reaganomics. This is where it really
spun out of control, and we've never recovered. Instead we're
stuck on delusional ideologies that do not exist in practice
anymore.
Clinton? no, he's that last true fiscal conservative we've had.
He actually paid off $600 billion of the National Debt, but by
this time the interest was so high that it still rose.
JimE| 3.10.10 @ 10:54PM
Jon,
Once again you prove your stupidity, Clinton paid off nothing,
juggling numbers and projected revenue is not retiring a debt.
Moron!
Todd| 3.10.10 @ 10:13PM
I asked you for a source dumbass so where is it? It doesn't exist
because the only source for it is your ignorant mind. You won't
get an apology from me that is for damn sure.
Jon B| 3.12.10 @ 8:57AM
I did make a huge mistake: Reagan gave Russia $425 million, not
billion. I apologize.
One of the few times FOX told the truth about anything.
DatsunMark| 3.10.10 @ 8:58PM
CBO: "Doing Algebra in a Calculus world."
Yosemeti Sam| 3.11.10 @ 1:04AM
" ... In 2008, America thought ...."
Thought?
Now that's a generous assumption of intellect.
John| 3.11.10 @ 10:39AM
The problem for conservatives, as it's very easy to prove, is
that two thirds of this deficit spending is the consequence of
actions taken during the Bush administration. When, as will
inevitably happen, we move into full recovery mode by the
spring/summer (and there are ample signs this happening so
denying it just makes us look detached from reality) and the
president pivots (as he will) to a need for tax increases to
contain the deficit that we are making such a fuss about what
will our stance be?......The fact is screaming for tax cuts while
at the same time screaming about the rising deficit while
refusing to participate in any efforts to contain it (even if
it's window dressing) is not coherent.
Oldefarte| 3.11.10 @ 11:03AM
Let me put it in OVER simplistic terms, okay? In my lifetime,
Democrats [but Republicans didn't do their jobs either] have
enlarged the governmental budget historically by legislating
numerous social programs [and unnecessary military weapons
systems also] that INCREASED THE EXPENSE SIDE of the ledger.
Never has any credible effort been made about EXPENSE REDUCTION.
Democrats increased social [welfare] programs, while Republicans
increased military programs; but none of them reduced/eliminated
anything; with the result being the governments' budget has
gradually increased over time. Sure there was Reagan's/Bush's tax
cuts which economically/financially increased governmental
REVENUES and thus slowed the budget defecit problem; but none of
them have made serious efforts at GOVERNMENT EXPENSE REDUCTIONS.
Now enters THE CHOSEN ONE who is a DEMOCRAT'S DEMOCRAT and
believes in WELATH REDISTRIBUTION big time; and as a result, the
typical too large budget
deficit has exploded tremendously, since his governmental
spending is coupled with an governmental revenue downfall due to
his programs lack of economic/financial expansion possibilities.
The one and only solution for all of this is for the American
voters to begin electing politicians who pledge to institute
substantial budget expense reduction policies. I'm talking
possibly 10-25% government expense reductions. If voters do not
take this one and only political opportunity coming in November
to elect such political leaders, everyone should simply kiss this
country goodby, as its destruction and downfall will be
inevitable!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just a nit, but that 90% of GDP number cited for 2020 is only the
federal debt (held by the public). The debt used in the Harvard
study is all public debt, which would include state and local
government debt.
So that 90% number for the US is an underestimate. We'll likely
get there well before 2020.
ez| 3.11.10 @ 11:17AM
Why do so many assume that because someone opposes Obama's
spending policies that one must be in favor of GW Bush's
policies? I hated Bush's spending. I was hoping for change when
Obama got elected. The only thing that came out of Obama's
election was a more expensive version of Bush. We haven't had a
more screwed up Presidency since Johnson/Nixon.
Deborah D| 3.10.10 @ 6:29AM
That's why I call them "regressives" not "progressives." If progress is going backwards, then they need help in understanding words and directions. Save us, Obi Wan Kenobi, you're our only hope!
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 3.10.10 @ 7:17AM
Yes, the CBO projections rely on some rather rosy outlooks, including in the employment sector. Change any of those underlying assumptions by just 1/10th of one percent and over ten years those projections could be off by 400 billion. Change them by 1% a year and you could be off by a trillion.
The underlying public enemy number one in all this spending is inflation. Inflation is the way governments steal the wealth of the public, create unsustainable business cycles and create banking disasters. In fact that's precisely what you just observed starting in 2007.
It's also how governments destroy individuals and individual freedom, simply by destroying your individual wealth.
It's a sneaky tax that doesn't need legislation and it's been used by governments over and over again.
martin j smith| 3.10.10 @ 7:52AM
This is the point that must be made with facts to back it up--BHO is purposely trying to destroy our economy. Lookat his consistant lying about "deficit neutrality,failure support real job growth,emphasis on government control and takeovers,and mafia style tactics such as the ballerino Rahm Emmanuel. And, I am not referring to this Massa guy either.
Ret. Marine| 3.10.10 @ 8:01AM
and on the day the pitch forks come out in full anger mode, they will still be wondering why and how their messiah just didn't get it.
Yeah the smartest guys in the room, right.
Roger Erickson| 3.10.10 @ 8:09AM
I'm no fan of either party, nor of Rubin, Summers & Geithner. However, well meaning, there are several places where the arguments made here stem from basic misconceptions about post gold-std monetary operations - and simply confuse things. Reality is actually quite different from what's implied in this article. Some orthogonal thinking is required, about operations, not about what's liberal or conservative. There are 1000 ways to let an economy decline, but only one optimal way forward, through logical operations.
For reference, please see the following:
http://moslereconomics.com/200.....nt-frauds/
and http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/
Roger Erickson| 3.10.10 @ 8:10AM
Additional references:
http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/
http://macroeconomicwoes.wordp.....economics/
Roger Erickson| 3.10.10 @ 8:17AM
Yet one more reference. Readers here may consider this author as a suspect liberal, yet he explains well the implications of a conservative closing the gold window back in 1971. Personally, I find economists to be incredibly isolated, but the politics of left/right makes even that profession look organized!
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100322/galbraith
ps: I'm for banning parties from crossing state lines, and returning all politics to the local level. That alone would take out the gang-related aspects of political fund raising. Right now, it's not clear which is the greater enemy, Communists, or "the other party". We're supposed to be making a more perfect union, not tearing it apart.
martin j smith| 3.10.10 @ 11:01AM
CBO aside people are feeling the effects of Obam's economic policies--they are his not GWB's. Andit isn't pretty. But against it is time for someone of stature to say: wither you set policies to expand the job market or you are PURPOSELY DESTROYING OUR ECONOMY.
Semper Fi| 3.10.10 @ 1:07PM
Where is Bob? This stuff is rightup his alley.
Peter| 3.10.10 @ 1:44PM
"National debt held by the public would double in just 4 years, from $5.8 trillion at the end of 2008 to $11.6 trillion at the end of 2012. "
I just looked at www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/re.....stdebt.htm and the author has a very different view of the national debt than the treasury department. They show the national debt 0n 9/30/08 as slightly over 10 trillion.
I just prepared a slide for my government class that showed deficit/debt/GDP and both of the former as a proportion of GDP by year. I also noted party holding White House, Majority in Senate, and Majority in the House. Since 1980 none of the various combinations of party control of those institutions has stemmed the tide. No combination stands out as particularly more fiscally prudent or less prudent than the others.
California70| 3.11.10 @ 12:01PM
Peter my dear, one must go further back than 1980!
Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 1:44PM
This is interesting. Over 1/2 of this year's deficit spending comes from Bush programs and Bush mistakes. 89% of last years spending came from Bush when you include stimulus spending that everyone agrees was needed to recover from 8 years of "looking the other way" brought on in no small part because Bush blocked the feds from imposing new banking loan standards in 2005 and 2006 when they saw this crisis coming, and Bush's gutting of the SEC that also "looked the other way" during the buildup to the crisis, as ALL OF YOU KNOW.
What would've changed with a McCain Presidency? Would McCain have doubled down on the banks any more than Obama has? Unlikely for the lead member of the Keating 5. WOuld McCain have spent less on the wars? Unlikely. Would McCain ignore the economic crisis and not push a stimulus package of a similar size? Also extremely unlikely. The article reeks of non sequitur style thinking-nothing connects unless you live inside a dream.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 2:21PM
I'm just wondering..are you able to sleep at night without also dreaming about GW Bush?
Poor dear you are so obsessed with looking backwards in order not face the present and the reality of the destruction that this President is doing to our country.
Are you just a Third partier type? Is that your point? Really, just what IS the point of your constant and incessant BS?
Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 2:23PM
The only time I post BS is when I quote you, Marge.
We are where we are today because of the last administration. People who forget history are destined to repeat it.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 2:56PM
I see, Toddard. Oops. I meant Jon B. So how come you never got back to me with your "proof" about the over 80% of translations from the Greek to English issue, hmm?
Can't answer my questions, above either, can you?
Who would your candidate of choice be? Let me guess. Ron Paul! Is he the only "true conservative?"
Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 6:06PM
I did answer you
JimP| 3.10.10 @ 2:38PM
Another seminar commenter. So, where were the Dems when Bush was gutting the SEC? Where were the Dems while everyone was allegedly "looking the other way" on spending? Blocking Fannie and Freddie reform and protesting the war in Iraq that the Dems voted for. That's where. 89%? 89%!! Are you sure you want to stick with that figure? Why not just go for 90% or heck, make it 100%. Let me see Obama passed Stimulus Palooza $787B + the Omnibus spending bill for FY '09 that was about $450B if I recall correctly. Then there were the Detroit bailouts $30B for GM and I honestly forget how much Chrysler got. So Barry spent over a trillion, minimum, but that was only 11%. Therefore, Bush spent $10T (roughly) last year? See, this is why Dems should not be allowed to do math. Even elementary level math. Duh.
Margie| 3.10.10 @ 3:01PM
Jon B. is a liar and obfuscates for a living.
JimP| 3.10.10 @ 5:08PM
Margie: LOL. I agree. Thanks for the smile.
Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 9:56PM
Ironically, you're lying now specifically to obfuscate the issues. But then you probably think Bush's recession is Obama's fault, at the same time you wouldn't give Reagan the same credit for the 1982 recession, right?
And the one Bush handed to Obama is much worse. With the added problem of ever increasing corporate control of policy and debate, the $16 trillion back door bank bailouts are rarely, if ever mentioned here.
Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 9:56PM
Ironically, you're lying now specifically to obfuscate the issues. But then you probably think Bush's recession is Obama's fault, at the same time you wouldn't give Reagan the same credit for the 1982 recession, right?
And the one Bush handed to Obama is much worse. With the added problem of ever increasing corporate control of policy and debate, the $16 trillion back door bank bailouts are rarely, if ever mentioned here.
blackwatch| 3.10.10 @ 10:31PM
either that or he does not have any sense. Look at his carping about global warming. What a maroon!
Todd| 3.10.10 @ 4:25PM
You find the reference for your claim about Reagan giving $425 billion to the Soviets yet? You are a ignoramus
Todd| 3.10.10 @ 4:26PM
That was meant for the ignoramus that posts as Jon B.
Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 6:13PM
Reagan gave Russia $425 Billion, that's true. It was in the National news WHEN it happened. I'll accept your apology when you realize I';m telling the truth.
As for Marge, she acts like gutter slop 1/2 the time, and somewhat calm at other times. Perhaps a disorder there?
You might recall that the SEC looked the other way when the bank crisis happened, using Bush's flag bearing market based philosophy. Are you so naive as to think that wasn't on purpose? Did you miss out when Federal regulators saw the crisis coming, recommended new laws, and the Bush administration along with Republicans in Congress stalled, then gutted them?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28001417/
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration backed off proposed crackdowns on no-money-down, interest-only mortgages years before the economy collapsed, buckling to pressure from some of the same banks that have now failed. It ignored remarkably prescient warnings that foretold the financial meltdown, according to an Associated Press review of regulatory documents.
...The administration’s blind eye to the impending crisis is emblematic of a philosophy that trusted market forces and discounted the need for government intervention in the economy. Its belief ironically has ushered in the most massive government intervention since the 1930s.
A lot of you are will fully ignorant.
PS:That's not my fault.
JimE| 3.10.10 @ 7:08PM
Jon, nothing about the money LBJ or clinton wasted. Wrong the past does not make it right now. You are a leftist useful idiot, no more ,no less. Get a job and start paying taxes instead of leeching of the government.
Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 8:04PM
LBJ, yeah, in Vietnam. He was quite the coward to not call out McNamara after he learned the McNamara lied to him about the Gulf of Token incident. Still, the National debt was just over $900 billion even after Nixon, Ford and Jimmy carter, but it was $4.5 trillion after 12 years of Reaganomics. This is where it really spun out of control, and we've never recovered. Instead we're stuck on delusional ideologies that do not exist in practice anymore.
Clinton? no, he's that last true fiscal conservative we've had. He actually paid off $600 billion of the National Debt, but by this time the interest was so high that it still rose.
JimE| 3.10.10 @ 10:54PM
Jon,
Once again you prove your stupidity, Clinton paid off nothing, juggling numbers and projected revenue is not retiring a debt. Moron!
Todd| 3.10.10 @ 10:13PM
I asked you for a source dumbass so where is it? It doesn't exist because the only source for it is your ignorant mind. You won't get an apology from me that is for damn sure.
Jon B| 3.12.10 @ 8:57AM
I did make a huge mistake: Reagan gave Russia $425 million, not billion. I apologize.
Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 6:15PM
You probably need a FOX link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460044,00.html
One of the few times FOX told the truth about anything.
DatsunMark| 3.10.10 @ 8:58PM
CBO: "Doing Algebra in a Calculus world."
Yosemeti Sam| 3.11.10 @ 1:04AM
" ... In 2008, America thought ...."
Thought?
Now that's a generous assumption of intellect.
John| 3.11.10 @ 10:39AM
The problem for conservatives, as it's very easy to prove, is that two thirds of this deficit spending is the consequence of actions taken during the Bush administration. When, as will inevitably happen, we move into full recovery mode by the spring/summer (and there are ample signs this happening so denying it just makes us look detached from reality) and the president pivots (as he will) to a need for tax increases to contain the deficit that we are making such a fuss about what will our stance be?......The fact is screaming for tax cuts while at the same time screaming about the rising deficit while refusing to participate in any efforts to contain it (even if it's window dressing) is not coherent.
Oldefarte| 3.11.10 @ 11:03AM
Let me put it in OVER simplistic terms, okay? In my lifetime, Democrats [but Republicans didn't do their jobs either] have enlarged the governmental budget historically by legislating numerous social programs [and unnecessary military weapons systems also] that INCREASED THE EXPENSE SIDE of the ledger. Never has any credible effort been made about EXPENSE REDUCTION. Democrats increased social [welfare] programs, while Republicans increased military programs; but none of them reduced/eliminated anything; with the result being the governments' budget has gradually increased over time. Sure there was Reagan's/Bush's tax cuts which economically/financially increased governmental REVENUES and thus slowed the budget defecit problem; but none of them have made serious efforts at GOVERNMENT EXPENSE REDUCTIONS. Now enters THE CHOSEN ONE who is a DEMOCRAT'S DEMOCRAT and believes in WELATH REDISTRIBUTION big time; and as a result, the typical too large budget
deficit has exploded tremendously, since his governmental spending is coupled with an governmental revenue downfall due to his programs lack of economic/financial expansion possibilities. The one and only solution for all of this is for the American voters to begin electing politicians who pledge to institute substantial budget expense reduction policies. I'm talking possibly 10-25% government expense reductions. If voters do not take this one and only political opportunity coming in November to elect such political leaders, everyone should simply kiss this country goodby, as its destruction and downfall will be inevitable!!!!!!!!!!!!
Randall Hoven| 3.11.10 @ 11:04AM
Just a nit, but that 90% of GDP number cited for 2020 is only the federal debt (held by the public). The debt used in the Harvard study is all public debt, which would include state and local government debt.
So that 90% number for the US is an underestimate. We'll likely get there well before 2020.
ez| 3.11.10 @ 11:17AM
Why do so many assume that because someone opposes Obama's spending policies that one must be in favor of GW Bush's policies? I hated Bush's spending. I was hoping for change when Obama got elected. The only thing that came out of Obama's election was a more expensive version of Bush. We haven't had a more screwed up Presidency since Johnson/Nixon.